[D. Consider, and act upon, a Final Plat for Lot 1, Block A of Wylie I.S.D. School Complex, creating one lot on 47.463 acres, generally located near 1400 Kreymer Lane. ]

CREATING ONE LOT ON 47.463 ACRES, GENERALLY LOCATED NEAR 1400 KRAMER LANE.

MAYOR PRO TEM, SINCE YOU REQUESTED IT BE PULLED, I'LL CEDE THE FLOOR AND LET YOU PRESENT YOUR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

I APPRECIATE IT, MAYOR. THANK YOU. I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMOTION ON SOCIAL MEDIA TODAY ABOUT US APPROVING ANOTHER SCHOOL.

SO I'D LIKE, JASON, LIKE TO GIVE THE FLOOR TO JASON JUST TO KIND OF TELL THE GOOD FOLKS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

SURE. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. SO LONG STORY SHORT, THIS IS JUST THE FINAL PLAT THAT FINALIZES ALL THE PROPERTY LINES AND THE FIRE LANES AND WATER LINES AND ELECTRIC LINES, ANY OF THE UTILITY EASEMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

FOR THE HAMPTON INTERMEDIATE AND PARKER JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOLS THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT AND OPEN.

OKAY. THAT'S ALL THAT THIS ACCOMPLISHES. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS IS JUST REAFFIRMING ALL WHERE EVERYTHING WAS INSTALLED AND, AND KIND OF GIVEN A PLATFORM FOR MOVING FORWARD.

AND THIS IS NOT A NEW BUILD THAT'S COMING DOWN.

THANK YOU JASON. YOU'RE WELCOME SIR. OKAY. OKAY.

COUNCIL, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT ITEM D THIS EVENING? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'D BE OPEN TO A MOTION ON ITEM D.

MAYOR PRO TEM MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM D AS PRESENTED.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND COUNCILMAN STRING?

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SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.

COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

THE ITEM IS APPROVED. WE ARE LISTED TO MOVE INTO REGULAR AGENDA FIRST.

HOWEVER, DUE TO THE NUMBER OF EXECUTIVE SESSIONS THAT WE HAVE AND THE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THOSE WITH SOME OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE THIS EVENING, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT THIS TIME.

[EXECUTIVE SESSION]

WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO UNDER SECTION 551.072.

DELIBERATION REGARDING REAL PROPERTY CLOSED MEETING ES ONE.

CONSIDERING THE SALE OR ACQUISITION OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT BALLARD BROWN, BROWN, EUBANKS FM 544, COOPER FM 544 AND AN FM 1378 BROWN FM 1378 PARK, JACKSON OAK REGENCY STEEL STATE HIGHWAY 78, ALLEN EAST STATE HIGHWAY 78, BROWN STATE HIGHWAY 78, SKYVIEW AND SECTION 551.087.

DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS.

THAT'S ES TWO, WHICH IS DELIBERATION REGARDING COMMERCIAL OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT THE WEDC HAS RECEIVED FROM A BUSINESS PROSPECT AND TO DISCUSS THE OFFER OF INCENTIVES FOR PROJECTS. 2022 DASH TEN D2024-12, C2025-1, A 2025 DASH TEN, F2026-3, E2026-4B AND 2026-5J. WE WILL RESERVE THE OTHER ITEMS FOR LATER THIS EVENING, THE OTHER SECTION FOR LATER EXECUTIVE SESSION.

BUT UNDER THOSE TWO AND THOSE TWO ITEMS, WE WILL MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE AT THIS TIME.

WITH THAT, I WILL RECONVENE US FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION BACK INTO REGULAR SESSION.

[RECONVENE INTO REGULAR SESSION]

COUNCIL DO WE HAVE ANY ACTION TO TAKE COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE.

COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS YES, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE EDC TO ENTER INTO A PERFORMANCE AGREEMENT WITH PROJECT 2022 DASH TEN D IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 9.5 MILLION.

THAT'S MY MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION AS STATED.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN DUKE, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AS STATED WITH A SECOND COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

OKAY. COUNCIL WE HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND AS STATED, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO.

SHE'S GOING TO RESET THAT FOR US.

OKAY. OKAY.

HOLD ON. WE HAVE TO WAIT. THE MEETING WENT TO PAUSE THERE.

OKAY. SO WE SO ON THIS OUT OF EXECUTIVE, WE HAVE A MOTION THAT WAS STATED FOR 2022 DASH TEN D IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $9.5 MILLION. IT WAS FROM COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS WITH A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DUKE.

I WILL ASK THOSE IN FAVOR TO RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AT THIS TIME.

OKAY. THOSE OPPOSED RIGHT HAND AT THIS TIME, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT THE VOTE WAS 7 TO 0 IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.

THE MOTION DOES PASS. WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE BACK INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE EVENING.

[1. Hold a Public Hearing, consider, and act upon, the writing of an ordinance for a change in zoning from Commercial Corridor - Special Use Permit (CC-SUP) to Commercial Corridor - Special Use Permit (CC- SUP) to allow for vehicle car sales on 4.118 acres located near 2021 N. State Highway 78 (ZC 2026-11). ]

ITEM ONE IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE WRITING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.

SPECIAL USE PERMIT CC SUP TO COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.

SPECIAL USE PERMIT CC SUP TO ALLOW FOR VEHICLE CAR SALES ON 4.118 ACRES LOCATED NEAR 2021 NORTH STATE HIGHWAY 78 ZONING CASE. 2026-11 MR. HASKINS. THANK YOU MAYOR.

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AS STATED, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO AMEND A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2023 THAT ALLOWED FOR CAR SALES OR ON BASICALLY WHAT AMOUNTS TO THIS FRONT LOT. YOU CAN SEE I'M KIND OF CIRCLING IT HERE.

AND THAT ALLOWED FOR THIS IS AN AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR FACILITY THAT HAD AN SUV, AND THEN IT ALLOWED FOR CAR SALES JUST ON THESE BACK LOTS.

WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING IS FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE SUP FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY THAT WOULD DISALLOW THE CAR SALES ON THESE TEN SPACES AND THEN ALLOW THIS ENTIRE LOT BACK HERE TO BECOME A A USED CAR AREA.

NOTICES WERE SENT TO 33 PROPERTY OWNERS. AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.

WE DID RECEIVE TWO RESPONSES IN FAVOR. THOSE WERE OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FOOT LIMIT.

AND THEN WE RECEIVED FIVE THAT WERE IN OPPOSITION THAT WERE WITHIN THE, THE 200FT.

AFTER SOME DISCUSSION REGARDING THE PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTIAL USES THE P AND Z COMMISSION ULTIMATELY RECOMMENDED DENIAL ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

SO IT WOULD TAKE A SUPERMAJORITY OF COUNCIL IN ORDER TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND THEY, THEY DID SAY THAT THEY WANTED TO TO TALK TO COUNCIL.

AND OTHER THAN THAT, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ZONING.

HOWEVER, I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY THIS EVENING THAT WAY.

IT COULD POTENTIALLY ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME FROM THE PUBLIC OR CREATE THEM, BUT IT WILL GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY.

SO I THINK WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT GO AHEAD AND SPEAK FIRST THIS EVENING.

IS THIS OKAY? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS BARZAN ABDUL HAMID AND I AM THE GENERAL MANAGER OF OTTO.

FIRST, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY AND TO SPEAK WITH YOU REGARDING OUR PROPOSED DEALERSHIP EXPANSION.

THE REASON WE ARE REQUESTING THIS EXPANSION IS TO SUPPORT THE CONTINUED GROWTH OF OUR BUSINESS, WHILE MAINTAINING THE SAME PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS AND LOW IMPACT OPERATIONS THAT WE HAVE FOLLOWED SINCE OPENING ON MARCH 6TH, 2023. THE EXPANSION WILL ALLOW US ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR VEHICLE DISPLAY AND CUSTOMER PARKING, WHILE MAINTAINING THE SAME QUIET, CLEAN AND PROFESSIONAL ENVIRONMENT WE HAVE PROVIDED SINCE OPENING.

WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING AT OUR CURRENT LOCATION IN WYLIE UNDER A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPROVED BY THE CITY, AND DURING THIS TIME WE HAVE WORKED HARD TO BUILD A REPUTABLE LOCAL BUSINESS.

AUTO FIRST IS A RETAIL AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIP.

WE ARE NOT AN INDUSTRIAL FACILITY OR A REPAIR SHOP.

OUR DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS MAINLY INVOLVE DISPLAYING VEHICLES, ASSISTING CUSTOMERS AND HANDLING OFFICE WORK DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS.

MOST OF OUR VEHICLES REMAIN PARKED ON DISPLAY, WITH ONLY OCCASIONAL TEST DRIVES AND NORMAL CUSTOMER TRAFFIC.

WE DO NOT OPERATE LOUD MACHINERY, BODY SHOP EQUIPMENT, PAINT BOOTS OR ANY OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT CREATE EXCESSIVE NOISE.

WE TAKE PRIDE IN SERVING OUR CUSTOMERS WITH HONESTY AND PROFESSIONALISM WHILE RESPECTING OUR NEIGHBORS AND THE COMMUNITY AROUND US.

WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR, AND WE HAVE ALWAYS MADE AN EFFORT TO KEEP OUR PROPERTY CLEAN, ORGANIZED AND WELL MAINTAINED WHILE FOLLOWING CITY REQUIREMENTS AND OPERATING RESPONSIBLY.

OUR GOAL IS TO CONTINUE GROWING OUR BUSINESS, CONTRIBUTE POSITIVELY TO THE COMMUNITY, AND PROVIDE A PROFESSIONAL DEALERSHIP EXPERIENCE FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. NOT SEEING ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

IF WE HAVE ANY, WE CAN ASK YOU TO STEP BACK FORWARD TO US.

IF SINCE THERE IS NO ONE SEEKING TO SPEAK RIGHT OFF THE BAT WE'LL MOVE TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING.

SO, MISS BRADLEY, PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT.

I'M OPENING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM. IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS PRESENT WISHING TO STEP FORWARD TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON IT, BUT ASK THAT YOU DO SO AT THIS TIME. AND IF YOU'LL BEGIN BY STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD FOR US, PLEASE.

HI, MY NAME IS JACKIE TOBER. I LIVE AT 635 LEGEND TRAIL IN WILEY.

SO I'M KIND OF CONCERNED. IS THIS THE ACTUAL.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS REALLY LIKE HOW FAR AWAY FROM THE STREET IS IT GOING TO ACTUALLY BE? WHERE WOULD THEY LET THE INLET, THE EGRESS HAPPENING, ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT DIAGONAL ACROSS FROM THE WALMART.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE EVER DRIVEN THAT AREA IN RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC. IT IS NOT GOOD.

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I JUST WORRY ABOUT IT BEING SO CLOSE TO THE STREET FOR IT TO ONLY HAVE LIKE IF YOU THINK ABOUT ANY OTHER DEALERSHIP, THEY OH MAN, THE ONE I'M THINKING ABOUT IS LIKE RIGHT OFF 30.

THE IT USED TO BE CALLED THE ROCK. AND AS SOON AS YOU PULL IN, IT HAS THE GATE AND THERE'S LIKE NO ROOM TO MOVE.

SO I JUST, IF, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN DOING, I THINK THAT WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER PLAT THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING OR THAT WHATEVER THEIR DECISIONS ARE, THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR THEM TO HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE TO BE ABLE TO PUT A LOCK GATE SO THAT THEY PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND OUT.

I'M ALSO KIND OF CONCERNED THAT TACO CASA JUST OPENED AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL BEEN THERE, BUT THERE IS A LINE FOREVER LONG.

I THINK THERE'S A LINE RIGHT NOW FOR TOMORROW.

SO I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS ALSO REVIEWED AND MADE SURE THAT WHATEVER THE LOCATION IS, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY KIND OF AN EASEMENT ACCESS EASEMENT ACROSS THE PROPERTY.

AND THAT MAKE SURE THAT ANY OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THAT AREA ALSO STILL HAVE ACCESS.

I KNOW TODAY, RIGHT NOW IS NOT ABOUT THE PLAT.

I KNOW IT'S JUST ABOUT GETTING THE SUP DONE. I JUST THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD THAT THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE THOUGHT OF AND THAT ARE NEED TO BE REVIEWED. THERE ARE OTHER CAR DEALERSHIPS IN THE WYLIE AREA THAT ARE ON MAIN STREET, SO IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN.

I JUST AM CONCERNED ABOUT, LIKE HE SAID, THAT IT'S THE LOOK THAT THEY KEEP A VERY WELL MAINTAINED AREA.

I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT THOSE GUYS OVER THERE MAY THINK THAT THEY'RE KEEPING A WELL-MAINTAINED AREA.

SO I THINK THAT THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE MORE DEFINED OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE CITY, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A MAIN THOROUGHFARE THAT PASSES DOWN THROUGH OUR TOWN.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A PASS THROUGH TO THE OTHER CITIES.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? EVENING DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. MISS BRADLEY, PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT.

NO ONE ELSE HAS STEPPED FORWARD TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COUNCIL, WE HAVE MR. HASKINS IN FRONT OF US, AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT? SORRY, I SAW YOU PULLING PULLING THAT DOWN, BUT COUNCILMAN STRAIN.

THANK YOU MAYOR. SO SO PLANNING AND ZONING SHOOT IT DOWN.

THEY HAD CONCERNS JUST ABOUT THE LOCATION OF WHERE IT WAS PARTLY BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSE TO THE RESIDENTIAL.

I MEAN THERE'S HOUSES LITERALLY RIGHT TO THE, TO THE SOUTH OF HERE.

THEY THOUGHT THAT THERE WOULD JUST BE BETTER USES FOR THAT PARTICULAR SECTION OF THAT PROPERTY.

SO, AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I NOTED TOO, IS THAT SOME OF THE FOLKS COMPLAINED ABOUT POTENTIAL FOR NOISE AND ALL THAT IMPACT DRILLS IS ONE OF THE THINGS SOMEBODY MENTIONED ON THERE.

BUT THAT'S A MECHANIC'S SHOP. THIS WOULD BE TO SELL CARS IN THE BACK LOT.

WOULD THERE BE NOISE AS A RESULT OF THESE OPERATIONS? THAT WOULD BE MORE LIKE MECHANIC SHOP NOISES OR SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT BUILDING BACK THERE IS MEANT TO BE USED FOR. YEAH.

I THINK THE QUESTION THERE IS THERE'S A BUILDING CALLED OUT TO BE BUILT ON THE FAR SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

THE I'LL CALL IT THE SOUTHEAST. SURE. CAN YOU OR THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO WHAT THAT IT WOULD BE UTILIZED FOR, I THINK. COUNCILMAN STRAIN. IS THAT CAPTURING WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO? YEAH. I JUST WANT TO KNOW, IS THIS GOING TO WHAT'S THE NOISE LEVEL GOING TO BE LIKE? WELL I CAN THEY CAN ELABORATE ON WHAT THEY SPECIFICALLY WANT TO DO, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE SUP, THE WAY IT'S REQUESTED CURRENTLY WOULD ALLOW FOR LIGHT AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR IN THAT IN THAT SOUTHEAST BUILDING.

ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT BE JUST LIKE OIL CHANGES OR THEIR TIRE CHANGES THAT THE APPLICANT COULD KIND OF ASK YOU WHAT TYPES OF WORK.

AND I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT AUTO MECHANICS. SO YOU CAN BE A LITTLE TECHNICAL, THE MAIN KIND OF JOBS YOU ALL BE DOING. AND THEN ALSO THE HOURS THAT YOU WOULD BE DOING THIS IN. YEAH. MY NAME IS BENJAMIN SAM. AND THE MAIN USE OF THAT BUILDING IS FOR THE SALESPEOPLE.

IT'S LIKE AN OFFICE BUILDING, AND WE HAVE THREE BAYS AT THE BACK FOR DETAILING FOR THE CARS THAT ARE TO BE SOLD.

SO IT'S ABOUT 3500FT², STUCCO AND STONE. AND IT LOOKS JUST LIKE ANY RETAIL BUILDING.

OKAY. SO IT'S NOT ACTUAL REAL LIKE CHANGING TIRES AND BRAKES AND THINGS.

IT'S JUST AUTO DETAILING, CLEANING STUFF. YES.

JUST TO CLEAN THE CAR. MAYBE A VACUUM CLEANER.

EXCUSE ME. MAYBE A VACUUM CLEANER MIGHT BE THE NOISIEST THING THAT YOU HAVE GOING ON BACK THERE. OKAY.

AND IF YOU GUYS WANT, WE CAN DO A NOISE STUDY JUST TO PROVE THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF NOISE GOING TO BE DOING ON THE DRONES TO KEEP FLYING OVER MY HOUSE.

OKAY. I THINK THAT KIND OF ANSWERS MY QUESTION THERE.

WELL, ONE MORE AND THAT'S WHAT THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL ON THIS AND IT'S ALL VERY SMALL LETTERS.

WHAT ABOUT THE SCREENING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT BETWEEN THE PROPERTY AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ALREADY A MASONRY WALL SIX FEET HIGH,

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SIX FEET. OKAY. YEP. AND THEN AS FAR AS ACCESS, LIKE AFTER HOURS, I MEAN, I IMAGINE YOU COULD PUT A GATE ON IT SO PEOPLE COULD COME IN AND STEAL THE CARS. WHERE WOULD, WHERE WOULD YOU PUT ANY KIND OF A GATE TO LOCK EVERYTHING UP? AFTER HOURS ON THE PROPERTY. RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE NOT HAVING ANY ISSUES WITH THEFT OR ANYTHING, BUT WE COULD PUT ONE AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE THAT WOULD KIND OF BLOCK OFF.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF CARS ARE TURNING IN AND. NO, NO, WE WOULD PUT IT FAR BACK ENOUGH TO PREVENT THAT.

OKAY. OKAY. BUT RIGHT NOW, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS.

YOU DON'T SEE THE NEED, WHICH IS GREAT. OKAY.

YEAH. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT FOR ME. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I THINK THE MAJORITY OF MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED.

IT WAS IN REGARDS TO THAT REAR BUILDING. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE REAR BUILDING WOULD BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME AS ANY PAVEMENT ADDITIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO END UP WITH A PARKING LOT AND AND THAT'S IT.

YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY.

COUNCIL, DO WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? MAYOR PRO TEM READY FOR A MOTION WHEN YOU ARE.

OKAY IF I'LL I'LL PUT IT OUT ONE LAST TIME AND THEN I'LL RECOGNIZE FOR MOTION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL? OKAY. I AM OPEN TO A MOTION. MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU INDICATED YOU WISH TO PROVIDE ONE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. MOTION TO DENY THE ITEM AS PRESENTED.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'D LIKE TO MODIFY PICKENS. LIKE TO MODIFY THAT MOTION TO DENY WITH PREJUDICE.

OKAY. WE HAVE A REQUESTED AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT GOES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM, THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST TO AMEND IT TO DENY WITH PREJUDICE.

I, I CAN AMEND MY MOTION TO DENY WITH PREJUDICE.

OKAY, SO WE NOW HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DENY WITH PREJUDICE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, WHICH IS SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN PICKENS COUNCIL.

WE HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND AS STATED, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

OKAY. THAT MOTION CARRIES SIX ONE WITH COUNCILMAN STRING AGAINST.

THE REQUEST IS DENIED WITH PREJUDICE. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM TWO THIS EVENING, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING,

[2. Hold a Public Hearing, consider, and act upon, the writing of an ordinance for a change in zoning from Planned Development - Commercial Corridor District (PD-CC) to Planned Development - Commercial Corridor (PD-CC) to allow for an additional drive-through restaurant and a health club on 10.485 acres generally located on the southeast corner of State Highway 78 and Kreymer Lane (ZC 2026-12). ]

CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE WRITING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR DISTRICT PDQ TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR PDQ TO ALLOW FOR AN ADDITIONAL DRIVE THRU RESTAURANT AND A HEALTH CLUB ON 10.485 ACRES.

GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF STATE HIGHWAY 78 AND CRAMER LANE.

ZONING CASE ASW 2026-12. MR. HASKINS? THANK YOU MAYOR.

SO THIS WAS A PD THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2020.

I'M SORRY, 2023. AND IT HAD LET ME DO THIS. I BELIEVE IT WAS. THERE WE GO. SO WHAT YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS HOW THE PD WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.

APPROVED. THERE WAS FOUR BUILDINGS IN THE FRONT, FOUR BUILDINGS PROPOSED IN THE BACK.

THEY HAD THREE DRIVE THRUS ON THE FRONT. AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE, LIKE THE FOUR IN THE BACK.

AS I JUST SAID, WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO AMEND THAT PD TO IN JUST IN GENERAL.

LET ME ZOOM IN ON THIS A LITTLE BIT. IS THAT YOU NOTICE THE FRONT END CHANGES TO WHERE THERE WOULD BE FOUR DRIVE THRUS INSTEAD OF JUST THREE.

AND THEN ALSO A COMBINED TWO OF THE LOTS IN THE BACK IN ORDER TO PROVIDE FOR A LARGER BUILDING.

THAT LARGER BUILDING IN THE BACK IS PROPOSED TO BE A HEALTH CLUB.

THAT USE ITSELF IS ALLOWED BY. RIGHT. BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE COMBINING TWO LOTS, IT DOESN'T MATCH UP WITH THE ORIGINAL ZONING EXHIBIT.

SO THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PD AMENDMENT. WE DID MAIL OUT TO 27 PROPERTY OWNERS.

WE DID HAVE ONE. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY RETURN IN FAVOR.

WE DID HAVE ONE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION THAT LIVED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF KRAMER.

AND AFTER SOME CONSIDERATION, THE PNC COMMISSION DID VOTE FIVE ZERO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING IS TWO ITEMS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IS THE ADDING THE ALLOWANCE FOR THE DRIVE THRU AND THEN ALSO THE ALLOWANCE FOR COMBINING THE TWO LOTS IN THE BACK AND THE HEALTH CLUB WITH A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT.

AND I PUT THAT IN THE REPORT. I KIND OF WENT EXTENSIVELY INTO THAT IN THE REPORT, JUST SO YOU COULD KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WAS GOING ON. BUT BECAUSE THERE'S RESIDENTS

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TO THE SOUTH OF THEM, KEEPING IN MIND THAT THOSE ARE TWO ACRE LOTS THAT THOSE RESIDENTS SIT ON, AND MOST OF THOSE HOUSES ARE EVEN FARTHER SOUTH.

WHAT WE DO HAVE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS CALLED RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY REQUIREMENTS.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS KEEP EXTREMELY TALL BUILDINGS, OBVIOUSLY PUSHES THEM AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

THESE ARE THOSE HOUSES ARE RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL.

BUT THAT IS PART OF OUR RESIDENTIAL STYLE OF ZONING.

WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR IS PART OF THE PD REQUEST FOR THE HEALTH CLUB IS THEY WANT THE BUILDING IS ABOUT 29FT HIGH.

AT THE ROOFLINE, THEY WOULD NORMALLY HAVE TO BE 3 TO 1 RATIO, WHICH WOULD PUSH THEM ALMOST TO 90FT.

AND THEY'RE ASKING TO BE ABLE TO DO 50FT. AND I BELIEVE ACTUALLY ON THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU, I THINK THEY'RE RIGHT. THEY'RE CLOSER TO 60, BUT WE WANT TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY JUST IN CASE.

YOU KNOW, AS THEY AS THEY PLAN IT OUT, SOME THINGS CHANGE.

SO. HOPEFULLY THAT'S CLEAR AS MUD. I THINK THAT HELPS EXPLAIN THINGS.

IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.

OKAY. ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. DO THEY HAVE ANYTHING TO PRESENT OR ARE THEY JUST THERE TO HERE TO ANSWER IF THEY WISH TO? MAYOR PRO TEM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST? OKAY.

SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU SAID NO. MY NAME IS DREW DANOWSKI WITH CLAYMORE ENGINEERING, 3231 HARWOOD ROAD, BEDFORD, TEXAS. HERE ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT, KERRY ALBERTS HERE AS WELL.

THEY'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THEY CAN TALK THE FINANCIALS, THE BUSINESS, THE LEASING, WHAT THEY'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS. BUT JUST WANTED TO ADD TO JASON'S PRESENTATION JUST A LITTLE BIT TO CLARIFY THE ORIGINAL PD WAS AND I APOLOGIZE. I'M BLESSED WITH A COLD FROM MY KIDS TODAY.

THE ORIGINAL PD, THE WAY IT WAS WORDED WAS WE WERE ALLOWED THREE RESTAURANTS WITH A DRIVE THRU ON LOTS ONE, TWO AND FOUR. SO IT WAS SPECIFIC IN THE LOTS THAT THEY WERE DESIGNATED TO THE WAY THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS DEVELOPED.

OBVIOUSLY MCDONALD'S TOOK THE HARD CORNER. SO THAT IS A RESTAURANT WHERE THEY DRIVE THROUGH.

WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW ON THE MULTI-TENANT RETAIL BUILDING.

RIGHT HERE. THAT HAS AN END CAP DRIVE THROUGH THAT WAS BUILT WITH THAT BUILDING.

HOWEVER, THE TENANT THAT IS TAKING THAT SPACE IS GOODWILL.

SO THAT IS NOT OPERATING AS A DRIVE THRU OR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THRU.

IT'S A DONATION DROP OFF LANE. SO THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THRU HERE ON LOT THREE TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH THAT ORIGINAL PD. SO JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT AND CLARIFY WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

SO I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE I CLARIFY THAT AND ENSURE.

SO THE REQUEST IS TO TRANSFER THE DRIVE THROUGH FROM ONE LOT TO ANOTHER.

IT IS NOT NO. OKAY. JUST KNOWING YOU'RE WANTING TO ADD BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S A DROP OFF DRIVE THROUGH AS OPPOSED TO A RESTAURANT.

CORRECT. ARE YOU ARE YOU STANDING HERE? AND I KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE OUR REPRESENTATIVES BEHIND YOU, SO YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER. ARE YOU ALL AND I DON'T KNOW.

THIS IS A QUESTION FOR JASON AS WELL. MAYBE. ARE YOU ARE WE ABLE TO RESTRICT THE TYPE? WE CAN'T RESTRICT TYPES OF DRIVE THRUS. WE CAN JUST RESTRICT DRIVE THRU IN GENERAL.

IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE I GUESS MY CONCERN IS I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WANT THAT FOR A DRIVE THROUGH DROP OFF.

BUT IF WE APPROVE A FOURTH DRIVE THROUGH ON ANOTHER LOT AND YOUR CLIENT OR PROSPECTIVE TENANT THERE FALLS THROUGH, THEN WE CAN END UP WITH FOUR RESTAURANT DRIVE THRUS.

AND I THINK I THINK THE CONCERN THERE IS JUST THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AS WELL AS THE DUPLICATIVE NATURE, THAN ACROSS THAT SITE OF HAVING FOUR STRAIGHT DRIVE THRUS ACROSS EVERY BUILDING.

SO JASON, I'M ASSUMING THAT WE CAN ONLY RESTRICT DRIVE THRUS IN GENERAL.

CORRECT. OKAY. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN THERE. AS FAR AS THE HEALTH CLUB GOES, THAT'S FOR, FOR ME, THAT ONE IS NOT A CONCERN AT ALL. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE WELL RECEIVED ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN.

I LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE. OBVIOUSLY. WE LOVE OUR WYLIE REC CENTER AND THINGS HERE, BUT THAT CAN BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO GET TO AT CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY WITH TRAFFIC FROM, FROM WHERE I'M AT. AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE WELL RECEIVED AND I THINK IS A GREAT USE KIND OF IN THE BACK.

I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT WOULD WORK IN THE BACK END KIND OF TORN ON THE DRIVE THROUGH A LITTLE BIT.

SO I MIGHT INVITE KERRY AND JIM UP HERE JUST TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE SEEN ON THE LEASING SIDE.

THAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I HAD ONE MORE JUST FROM THE ENGINEERING SIDE OF THINGS.

ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT, AND THAT IS THIS LOT THREE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW FOR THE, THE FOURTH DRIVE THROUGH IT DOES HAVE A LARGE 30 FOOT WIDE WATERLINE EASEMENT THAT GOES RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

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AND THAT'S A NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATERLINE EASEMENT.

SO THAT IS HARD TO DEVELOP AROUND ON OVER. AND SO JUST FROM A GEOMETRY PERSPECTIVE, TO GET A LARGER BUILDING ON THAT LOT, LIKE A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE IS GOING TO BE PRETTY HARD TO DO.

TO GET THE PARKING, YOU NEED TO GET THE SIZE BUILDING, YOU NEED THE DUMPSTER, ALL OF THAT.

HOW BIG IS THAT LOT? I CAN'T READ THAT, BUT I KNOW THIS.

I CAN'T SEE. IT'S IT'S IT'S AN ACRE 0.99 ACRES.

AND DO YOU HAVE A SITE? DO YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN FOR THE BACK HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK MOVING FORWARD? THE THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. YEAH. THAT'S THIS HERE.

SO THE HEALTH CLUB IS THE LARGE BUILDING DOWN HERE.

AND THEN WE'RE STILL PLANNING FOR THE NO CHANGE ON THOSE BACK LOTS FOR THE OFFICE.

YEAH. MEDICAL POTENTIAL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MAYOR.

I KNOW THEY KNOW. MAYOR, I KNOW YOU SORRY. I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE.

SO, GENTLEMEN. YEAH, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT DREW SAID.

YOU KNOW, LOT THREE. WE DIDN'T WE WE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS WATER MUNICIPAL DISTRICT AND HOW HARD THAT'S BEEN TO NAVIGATE AROUND, NOT TO MENTION EVERYTHING THEY'RE CHARGING US FOR WORKING WITH US ON SOME OF THIS.

BUT IT'S THAT IS A CHALLENGE LOT ON LOT THREE.

AND BY THE WAY, THERE'S ACTUALLY FIVE LOTS ON THE FRONT.

THE FIFTH LOT ALL THE WAY TO THE END. THAT'S ITS OWN BUILDING.

AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE WE'RE NAVIGATING AROUND A 7500 SQUARE FOOT.

OTHER RETAIL STRIP CENTER THERE. YOU KNOW, THE ONLY, ONLY OTHER OPTIONS WE'VE HAD ON LOT THREE IS A FREESTANDING DENTIST. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S IN THE BEST PROBABLY USE FOR THE CITY OF WYLIE.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S SALES TAX REVENUE THAT GETS GENERATED WITH THAT FOR THE CITY EITHER. SO YOU KNOW, THE, THE WE JUST PUT LOT THREE UNDER CONTRACT WITH A FAST FOOD USER.

SO YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE OVES ON THAT CONCEPT, THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY BE IN THAT 1.5 TO $2 MILLION RANGE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, CREATES SALES TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD USE FOR, FOR, FOR US FOR THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.

YOU KNOW, AND WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KEEP THESE THINGS FOR A WHILE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE VERY COGNIZANT OF WHAT WE WANT TO SEE USED THERE.

AND WE DON'T WANT OUR TENANTS TO GO AWAY. THAT'S WHY WE LIKE GOODWILL.

I MEAN, GOODWILL NEVER GOES AWAY. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A GREAT USE FOR IT WITHIN CITIES.

AND YOU KNOW, THEY DO A NICE JOB. THESE ARE DROP OFF CENTERS.

IT'S ONLY 1750 SQUARE FOOT. IT'S NOT A BIG AREA IN THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG NOT A BIG SHOPPING CENTER KIND OF THING.

BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK ANYTHING ELSE I'M MISSING HERE? YEAH. I THINK FROM A MARKETING STANDPOINT, WE'VE BEEN MARKETING THIS FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS NOW.

SO WE AGREED TO PROHIBIT ANY AUTOMOTIVE USES AS PART OF THE PD ORIGINALLY.

AND THAT WAS A BIG SACRIFICE BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE DONE A BUNCH OF AUTOMOTIVE USES, WHICH YOU GUYS WEREN'T CRAZY ABOUT.

SO WE AGREED TO THAT. AND WE ACTUALLY WANTED FOR DRIVE THRUS IS WHAT OUR INITIAL REQUEST WAS.

AND WE'RE JUST OUT OF IDEAS. THESE ARE SMALL PADS.

YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESTAURANT DEALS IN THE CITY OF WYLIE.

I KNOW YOU GUYS WANT MORE SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS.

I'VE DONE THE FISH AND TAILS DEAL. CREEKSIDE WALK ON SPORTS.

GREAT RESTAURANT. JUST OPENED UP. WE'VE GOT A GREAT RESTAURANT GOING INTO THE RETAIL CENTER.

THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO THE SIT DOWNS WILL GO IS IN THE RETAIL CENTER. WE'VE GOT A GREAT SPORTS BAR WINGS OVER WYLIE GOING IN THERE.

BUT THESE ARE SMALL, YOU KNOW, 0.75 TO 1 ACRE PADS.

WE CAN'T FIT A WALK ON. SPORTS NEEDS TWO ACRES.

WE CAN'T FIT A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT ON THERE. SO I'M OUT OF IDEAS OF WHAT TO DO WITH IT.

THAT'S NON DRIVE THROUGH. IT'S IT'S JUST THAT'S DESIGNED FOR THESE QSR TYPE DEALS.

THERE'S NO BANKS ARE INTERESTED. WE HAD INTEREST FROM A DENTIST FOR A FREESTANDING DENTIST BUILDING, BUT HOW MANY LIKE WHAT FREESTANDING BUILDINGS.

AND I'VE TALKED TO THE CITY AND EDC, I'VE TALKED TO JASON.

LIKE, CAN YOU HELP ME OUT HERE? AND WE'RE JUST OUT OF IDEAS, AND THE RESTAURANT WE HAVE FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH IS A MORE OF A FAST CASUAL THAN JUST LIKE A TYPICAL FAST FOOD RESTAURANT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER QUALITY THAN SOME OF THE FAST FOOD THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN, YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S TOO MUCH OF IN THE CITY.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO BRING A LITTLE BIT BETTER, HIGHER QUALITY BUILDING.

SOME OF THEIR CONCEPTS HAVE TVS IN THERE. THEY WANT YOU TO HANG OUT.

SOME OF THEM HAVE ALCOHOL. I'M NOT SURE IF THIS ONE WILL HAVE ALL THAT OR NOT.

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IT'S A, I DID A DEAL WITH THE SAME CONCEPT IN THE CITY OF MANSFIELD TEN YEARS AGO, AND THE CITY WAS LIKE, WE HAVE TOO MANY FAST FOOD. WE DON'T WANT MORE FAST FOOD.

THEY TURNED DOWN A TACO BELL DEAL, BUT THEY APPROVED THIS USE OF THIS CONCEPT THAT WE BROUGHT BECAUSE THEY FELT IT WAS HIGHER QUALITY.

PEOPLE COULD HANG OUT. THEY HAD TVS AND ALCOHOL IN THAT ONE.

AND THEY LOOKED AT IT DIFFERENTLY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BRING YOU A BETTER QUALITY YOU KNOW, DRIVE THROUGH USER A RESTAURANT. BUT WE'RE JUST WE'RE OUT OF IDEAS.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT THREE YEARS AND CARRIES LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M SUPPOSED, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M SUPPOSED TO TURN. I JUST I'VE TRIED TO GET SOME HELP HERE.

I'D LOVE TO GET SOME AUTOMOTIVE USES THERE, BUT I DON'T I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE WE ARE. WE ARE WE FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD QUALITY USER THOUGH.

CAN YOU YOU'RE SPEAKING TO GOOD QUALITY USERS.

YOU MENTIONED WINGS OVER WILEY. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER USERS IN THE WE'VE GOT YOUR JERSEY.

MIKE'S IS GOING IN AS FAR AS THE RESTAURANTS.

WE'VE GOT A NAIL SALON, WHICH I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF NAIL SALONS IN WILEY, BUT THAT'S JUST THE MARKET, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S A. OKAY. BUT JERSEY MIKE'S IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT AS FAR AS THEIR OFFERING FROM.

YES, EXACTLY. AND NOT TO PICK ON MCDONALD'S, BUT MCDONALD'S IS TRADITIONALLY, I'LL CALL IT TRADITIONAL FAST FOOD.

YES, IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST THOUGHT OF IF YOU SAY FAST FOOD. EXACTLY. JERSEY MIKE'S IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

YOU SPOKE TO THIS IS POTENTIALLY A DIFFERENT CONCEPT.

YEAH. CAN YOU PROVIDE US ANY? ANYTHING? IT'S SLIM CHICKENS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD OF THE CONCEPT OR SEEN IT. OKAY.

BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT'S A BETTER QUALITY.

OKAY. WELL, YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD SO EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OPINION ABOUT IT. I THINK NO, I THINK HE WAS SAYING HE KNOWS JUST JUST SO THAT IT'S CLEAR TO THE OKAY, HE WAS SAYING HE, HE WAS SHAKING HIS HEAD BECAUSE HE LIKES SLIM CHICKENS. OH THAT'S GOOD.

SEE, THERE WE GO. THAT'S ONE VOTE. THAT WAS WHAT HE KIND OF SAID UNDERNEATH.

HE'S PROMOTED. MAKE HIM MAYOR. YEAH. HE KNOWS WHAT COMES WITH THAT.

MAYOR PRO TEM HAD A COMMENT OR QUESTION, SO I WANT TO OPEN IT UP.

SO I JUST WANT TO GO BACKWARDS. I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, I DO WANT TO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND THE INVESTMENT THAT YOU'VE DONE IN WILEY FOR, FOR QUITE A BIT NOW. AND YOU'VE BROUGHT DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE CLIENTS TO WILEY OF SOME OF NEED THAT WE HAD.

OVERALL, THE DIFFICULTY THAT I'M HAVING IS WE INVESTED IN THIS.

OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNER INVESTED ON THIS SITE QUITE A BIT WITH KRAMER ROAD, WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WITH TEX-DOT, WITH QUITE A BIT. SO WE AS A CITY HAVE INVESTED IN YOUR PROJECT PER SE IN DEVELOPING THAT AREA QUITE A BIT.

SO WE DON'T GO BACK AND CLAW BACK THAT BECAUSE NOW WE ARE GOING THROUGH A CHANGE OF THE PERSPECTIVE OF THAT PART.

YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE POSITION THAT WE'RE SITTING IN. YOU DO HAVE A CLIENT THAT HAS TAKEN THE BIGGER LOT LARGER AREA ON YOUR BIGGER BUILDING.

WHICH WAS THE DRIVE THROUGH. SO THE ONLY WAY FOR ME TO JUSTIFY MOVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD BE TO CLOSE THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.

GOODWILL MAY NOT BE GOING AWAY. THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT.

STARBUCKS MAY NEVER BE GOING AWAY. THAT IS CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN, BUT IT'S GONE BECAUSE THEY OPENED A NEW PLACE JUST DOWN THE ROAD AND THEY'RE GONE.

AND NOW WE HAVE A BUILDING WITH A DRIVE THROUGH THAT IS THERE TO BE SITTING AND LOOKING AT IT.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES OF THE REAL ESTATE PROPERTY BETTER THAN I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS IN HERE.

I'M THERE WITH YOU. BUT I ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH, WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO LOOK AT. WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH ONE DEVELOPER AND ONE TYPE OF DEVELOPER.

WE'RE INVESTING A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY INTO DEVELOPING THAT PART OF THE CITY AS WELL.

AND WE DID ALREADY THROUGH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS THAT THIS WILL OPEN DOORS NOT ONLY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT EVERY OTHER DEVELOPER THAT WILL HAVE A HARD TIME PUTTING SOMETHING OUT THERE ON ONE OF THE LOTS THAT THEY HAVE TOLD, THEY'LL COME IN FRONT OF US AND ASK FOR A VARIANCE.

AND YES, WE CAN SUBJECTIVELY LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT, BUT I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME DOING ONE OFFS SPECIFICALLY ON THIS. HOW FAR ARE YOU IN THE COMMERCIAL SIDE ON THE ON THE RETAIL SIDE THAT YOU CAN'T CLOSE THAT DRIVE TO REMOVE THAT DRIVE THROUGH TO THE OTHER SPOT OR YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO DO IT? I'M TURNING OVER SPACE TO TENANTS IN LIKE A WEEK.

I MEAN, THE BUILDING'S DONE. WE'RE JUST WRAPPING UP.

SO I THINK IF THIS ASK WAS THERE BEFOREHAND, I THINK WE COULD HAVE DISCUSSED IT.

BUT FOR ME, I'M HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME ADDING THE FOURTH ONE, FULLY KNOWING THE POTENTIAL I'M GOING TO HAVE FOR AM I GOING TO HAVE THREE? SO YOU SAID BECAUSE OF THE YOU TALK ABOUT CLAWBACK AS FAR AS PART OF THE INVESTMENT THAT CITY'S MADE, BUT THAT REALLY WASN'T INTO MY DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING FOR YOU ALL TO.

WE'RE WE'RE EXPANDING. WE DID DECEL LANES TO GET INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.

WELL, THAT'S ONLY NECESSARY FOR US TO CREATE VALUE FOR THE LOTS.

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IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL, THEY NEED TO BE DECEL LANES.

AND FOR THE HIGHWAY 78 EXPANSION AND JUST SAFETY FOR PEOPLE SLOWING DOWN AND SELLING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, THE. KRAMER. KRAMER. KRAMER. WE EXPANDED INTO, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THAT AGAIN, DECEL LANES SAFETY TO GET IN. WE DID ALL THE TEX DOT, ALL THE OFFSIDE WORK, EXPANDING KRAMER.

SO WE DID QUITE A BIT OF INVESTMENT IN THAT AREA TO DEVELOP IT.

AND AGAIN, I REFERENCE IT BY SAYING WE APPRECIATE IT, BUT TO MAKE THE LAND DEVELOPABLE.

RIGHT? CORRECT. BUT WE APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE WORK TOGETHER AND I DO APPRECIATE IT AND UNDERSTAND IT TOTALLY.

BUT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF SITTING IN THIS SIDE OF IT, AND I'M HAVING TO LOOK AT IT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, MOST OF THE WILY IS GOING TO DEVELOP ON THE EAST SIDE OF WILY, WHICH IS THE AREA WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING THIS DEVELOPMENT.

SO I'M HAVING TO BALANCE IT WITH ALL THE REQUESTS THAT ARE GOING TO COME IN AND HAVE THE DECISION TO BE MADE FROM THAT STANDPOINT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WHERE I'M AT WITH THAT AS FAR AS I GO.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO SINCE THEY AREN'T GOODWILL'S NOT IN THERE YET, WHY NOT JUST WALL OFF THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THEN JUST MOVE THE DRIVE THROUGH FROM LOT TWO AND LOT THREE.

IS THAT NOT POSSIBLE? I DON'T SEE A DRIVE THROUGH FOR DROP OFF, BUT A GOODWILL BEING VERY VIABLE, FRANKLY. SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. I COULD JUST ENVISION WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN MY MIND, AND I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I DO THINK IT'S A WAY TO BE ABLE TO SAY, LOOK, WE COULD MOVE THE DRIVE THROUGH FROM ONE TO THE OTHER, KEEP IT AT THREE, WHICH IS WHAT WE ORIGINALLY SITTING AT, WHICH WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE EASEMENT.

YEAH, IT'S ALREADY ALL BUILT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SEPARATELY PLATTED LOTS.

AND WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE'D, WE'D HAVE TO REPLAT TO GET ANYTHING OVER TO LOT THREE.

BUT YEAH, ALL THE CONCRETE, THE WALLS, THE ENTRANCE DOORS FOR THE REAR.

OR TALK ABOUT PUTTING A WALL WHERE A WINDOW IS IN THE BUILDING THAT YOU HAVE.

WHAT CONCRETE. BOARDED UP. YOU KNOW, AM I NOT MAKING SENSE.

TAKE THE DRIVE THROUGH OUT. OR RATHER NOT TAKE IT OUT.

JUST BLOCK IT OFF. I'M LOOKING AT YOUR PLAT HERE.

I DON'T SEE ANY CONCRETE BARRIERS ON THIS OR ANYTHING.

IT'S JUST STRIPED PARKING LOT LINES. IT'S NOT LIKE A DRIVE THROUGH, LIKE THE ONE YOU'RE PROPOSING ON THREE, WHICH HAS TWO ORDER TAKING SPOTS AND SOME CONCRETE RIGHT THERE, WHICH MAKES SENSE.

I DON'T SEE THAT ON LOT TWO OVER HERE. I JUST SEE CARS COMING AROUND A BUILDING WITH NO KIND OF CONCRETE BARRIERS TO DIVIDE THEM UP.

SO IT SEEMS TO ME SIMPLE ENOUGH THAT YOU COULD TAKE A WALL THAT'S GOT A WINDOW IN IT, BOARD UP THE WINDOW, OR MAYBE JUST TELL THEM NOT TO USE IT SEEMS FEASIBLE TO ME.

ANOTHER IDEA I HAD THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU WERE ASKING FOR SOME SUGGESTIONS. YOU KNOW THAT EASEMENT IS A DIFFICULTY.

I SEE IT CLEARLY ON HERE, RUNNING RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF LOT THREE.

THERE IS WHAT IF WE JUST STUCK TWO BUILDINGS STRADDLING IT ON EACH SIDE OF LOT THREE, AND THEN MADE THAT YOUR PARKING LOT IN THE MIDDLE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU COULD PUT IN A COUPLE OTHER DIFFERENT KINDS OF BUILDINGS. BOUTIQUE COFFEE, I DON'T KNOW. SO, YOU KNOW, CIGAR SHOP, GUN STORES, THE BUILDING AND THE PARKING LOT THERE.

THAT'S ALL THAT MUD, THAT MUD MUDDY EASEMENT THAT GOES THROUGH THERE.

THAT'S LIKE 50FT WIDE. THEY WON'T ALLOW REQUIRED CODE REQUIRED PARKING IN THAT EASEMENT IN CASE THEY HAVE TO COME RIP IT OUT.

WELL, YOU GOT PARKING ON THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S NOT CODE REQUIRED BECAUSE THAT SITE IS OVER PARKED.

SO WE MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENT OUTSIDE OF THAT SPACE.

BUT THE THE WATER DISTRICT WILL NOT ALLOW CODE REQUIRED PARKING.

AND THEN IT'S WHICH IS WHY THE HEALTH CLUB TO THE SOUTH, YOU CAN SEE THEY'VE THEY'VE LINED UP A LARGE MEDIAN LANDSCAPE MEDIAN THERE.

OKAY. I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. YEAH. AND I'LL JUST SAY AS FAR AS THE THE GOODWILL DROP OFF, MY WIFE USES THAT ALL THE TIME WHEN WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING BURIED, YOU KNOW, WITH KIDS TOYS AND WE'VE GOT TO START DONATING.

SHE JUST DRIVES THE CAR THERE. SHE GETS OUT, OPENS THE BACK HATCH, RINGS THE BELL.

SOMEBODY COMES OUT, UNLOADS IT FOR HER. SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO MOVE.

IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A DRIVE THROUGH. DRIVE THROUGH. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A DRIVE THROUGH. I PUT MY WINDOW. I TOOK MY BAG OF STUFF I DON'T WANT ANYMORE.

AND I SHOVE IT THROUGH THE THING. THEY COME OUT OF A DOOR.

YEAH. THERE'S A ON THAT ON THAT DRIVE THROUGH SIDE, THERE'S A TEN FOOT BY 12 FOOT ROLL UP DOOR.

SO IT'S LIKE A NEW CHICK FIL A DRIVE THROUGH.

THERE'S AN AUTOMATED SLIDING DOOR THAT'S TEN FEET WIDE THAT WHEN YOU DRIVE UP.

SO IT'S MORE LIKE A DRIVE, IT'S MORE LIKE A DRY CLEANER DRIVE THROUGH WHERE PEOPLE ARE WALKING IN AND OUT.

OKAY. I THINK IS WHAT HE'S GETTING AT. YEAH. YOU'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE, NOT BOXES IN A WINDOW.

AND IT'S A, IT'S A SPACE THAT PEOPLE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT TAKING UP PARKING FOR THE OTHER TENANTS AND WITHOUT BLOCKING FIRE LANES.

SO THERE'S VALUABLE. YEAH. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW? COUNCILMAN. NO, I DON'T THINK I DO. THANK YOU.

WELL, HERE, LET US MARINATE ON THAT FOR A MINUTE.

IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING AS IT'S A ZONING CHANGE.

SO I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THAT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. SO, MISS BRADLEY, PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT I'M OPENING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.

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IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE PRESENT AND WISH TO ADDRESS COUNCIL, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO SO AT THIS TIME.

JACKIE TORBERT 635 LEGEND TRAIL, WYLIE, TEXAS.

SO I KNOW THAT Y'ALL KIND OF SKATED OVER THE HEALTH CLUB THING, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT POSSIBLY ON THE BACK SIDE OF IT, THAT THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE HOMES, MAYBE THERE ARE NO WINDOWS.

I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT IN THE RECORD. AND THEN AS FAR AS THIS, THE MUD AND ALL OF THAT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW EXTENSIVE THIS WOULD BE OR HOW EXPENSIVE EITHER, BUT COULD YOU MOVE IT? COULD YOU, COULD YOU COMPLETELY, LIKE DIVERT IT AROUND THAT PROPERTY? I CAN ANSWER THAT FOR YOU. NO. OKAY. THAT IS ONE OF THEIR MAIN WATER LINES AND THEY WILL NOT ALLOW IT TO BE MOVED.

OKAY. I ONLY KNOW BECAUSE WE'VE WE'VE DEALT WITH THEM ON SOME RATHER OTHER SOME OTHER LINES AND COST US MORE THAN THE BUILDING WOULD BE.

OKAY. YEAH. THE WE HAD TO DO THAT AT BROWN AND 78.

AND EVEN IF THEY WOULD LET YOU, I WOULD IMAGINE THE COST ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT AROUND THE PROPERTY WOULD WOULD BE 20 TO 40 MILLION, WHICH, WELL, THAT'S MORE THAN I COULD BUY. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE PLOTS OF LAND YOU COULD BUY, BUT I CAN TELL YOU IT WOULD BE MULTIPLE AND THERE WOULD BE NO, NO WAY TO DEVELOP IT.

SO THAT PART I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS. THANK YOU.

YEAH. SO I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT PERHAPS IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO ASK GOODWILL TO MOVE TO THE OTHER LOCATION, BUILD IT THE WAY THAT THEY WANT IT, MOVE IT, AND THEN PUT THAT GOODWILL, CHANGE THAT INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO WHAT IT WAS INTENDED.

I THINK THAT IT'S A VERY ILL ADVISED DECISION TO PUT A GOODWILL IN A PLACE THAT IS A DRIVE THROUGH, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE, THE, WE, THE CITY, THE CITY, Y'ALL, WHATEVER, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO WORD THAT GAVE ONE, TWO AND FOUR AS THE ABILITY TO HAVE DRIVE THRUS.

I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC. YES. A GOOD WILL TO HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH. I THINK THAT'S REALLY COOL. I ALSO AGREED WITH DAVE. I WAS THINKING IT WAS A DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS A DOOR LIKE LIKE CHICK FIL A JUST DID.

BUT I WILL SAY THAT PERHAPS THAT'S WHAT YOU DO.

AND THEN MAYBE YOU HAVE TWO BUILDINGS THERE, AND ONE OF THEM IS FOR THE HOUSING AND THE STORAGE.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS THE RECEIVING BUILDING.

SO THAT COULD BE ANOTHER OPTION THAT YOU DO AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

BUT I AGREE I LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING DRIVE THRUS ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.

WYLIE EAST IS THEY GET THE SHAFT WHEN IT COMES TO ANYTHING WITH FOOD SERVICES.

AND SO I THINK IT'S REALLY COOL THAT YOU GUYS ARE, IN MY OPINION, LIKE TENDING TO THE THE HIGH SCHOOL THAT'S OVER THERE.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT THEN ALSO LIKE, I JUST THINK THAT PUTTING A GOODWILL IN THAT SPACE WAS JUST NOT A, NOT A GOOD IDEA IF THEY'RE WANTING A DRIVE THROUGH SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND I ALSO AGAIN, AGREE WITH DAVE STRANG AND SAYING, BOARD UP THAT WINDOW, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE THROUGH SOMEWHERE ELSE, COME BACK WITH THAT REQUEST. BECAUSE YEAH, PUTTING A BUNCH OF DRIVE THRUS THERE. WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AND STARBUCKS JUST CLOSED DOWN BECAUSE OF IT.

THERE'S JUST TOO MANY DRIVE THRUS IN ONE LOCATION AND IT JUST CAUSES ACCIDENTS AND MESSES.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? OKAY, MISS BRADLEY, PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT.

NO ONE ELSE HAS STEPPED FORWARD TO SPEAK. SO WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO, COUNCIL, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE. AS WELL AS MR. HASKINS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM OR ANY COMMENTS IF YOU'D LIKE TO HOLD THE DISC A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION, COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. COULD YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET BY THERE BEFOREHAND WHAT IS BUILT AND WHAT ISN'T BUILT.

I KNOW NO. THE OWNER WAS TALKING ABOUT SEVERAL OF THE BUILDINGS AND PADS AND WALLS ARE ALREADY THERE.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT MCDONALD'S AND THE MULTI STRIPPER.

YEAH. THE MULTI STRIPPER MCDONALD'S ARE ARE ALREADY UP.

IS IT LOT FOUR THAT AT LEAST HAD FRAMING. YES.

BAHAMA BUCKS IS IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION LOT FOUR.

OKAY. YEAH. WHICH LOT FOUR IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.

IF YOU CAN SEE MY LITTLE HAND MOVING. OKAY. AND LOT FOUR HAS A DRIVE THRU.

YES. SO LOT THREE IS NOT BUILT. CORRECT. AND THAT IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THAT'S WHERE THE REQUEST IS TO ADD A DRIVE THRU USAGE.

I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT. WE'VE NOT BUILT ANYTHING THERE YET.

THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WOULD ASSUME THE THE LARGER FLAT WORK IS IN SURROUNDING THE LOT.

THE THE DRIVEWAYS OR AISLES OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO REFER TO THEM, BUT THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE LOT IS STILL.

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DIRT VACANT. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO OFFER IT. OKAY.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU. MAYOR. DO THE MEDICAL BUILDINGS.

HAVE YOU HAD ANY REQUESTS ON THOSE? ARE THEY COMING BACK? THE ONES ON THE BACK. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY INTEREST YET.

OKAY. AND THEN THE HEALTH CLUB IS GOING TO BE TWO FLOORS OR ONE.

IT'LL BE. IT'S ONE STORY, BUT IT'S 29FT TALL.

AND BECAUSE I LISTEN TO MY COUNCIL, THERE'S ALREADY AN ITEM IN HERE THAT RESTRICTS WINDOWS ABOVE 12FT HIGH.

SO THEY CAN'T PUT ANY WINDOWS ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING THAT ARE OVER 12FT.

SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE INTO THE BACKYARDS OF THE FOLKS.

OKAY. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. IT TOOK A WHILE.

I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT COME UP. WELL, FROM TIME TO TIME.

FROM TIME TO TIME. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM OTHER QUESTIONS.

MAYOR. THE, YOU KNOW, THINKING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT POINT OF VIEW.

AND, YOU KNOW. IT'S A LOT THAT IF A BUILDING AND HOW BIG OF A BUILDING THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR THAT SPECIFIC USER THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT BUILDING, IT'S IT'S AROUND WHAT, 2500FT² FOR THE SLIM CHICKENS IS ABOUT 2400, 2500. SO 2400FT². YOU KNOW, IF I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, SOME OF THE USES THAT COULD BE USED FOR IT TO BUILD A 2400 SQUARE FOOT PLACE? I MEAN, IT COULD BE A SMALL MEDICAL OFFICE, DENTAL DENTIST, COULD BE A RESTAURANT A RESTAURANT AT THE CURRENT CAP RATE, YOU PROBABLY LOOKING AT 2600FT², GIVE OR TAKE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GROUND LEASE WOULD BE LIKE FOR THEM, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY A TWO AND A HALF, $3 MILLION PROPERTY SALES TAX VALUE.

I MEAN, I'M NOT DEVELOPING IT FOR HIM, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M JUST SELLING HIM THE LAND. HE'S COME UP WITH THE VALUE OF IT. SO I'M COMING UP FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF REAL ESTATE VALUE. MY, MY SEE. SO OR DO THEY BUILD A BUILDING AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO SALES TAX, JUST A PROPERTY VALUE TAX. AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS? BECAUSE THAT PIPE AIN'T MOVING. THAT WATER PIPE IS NOT MOVING EITHER WAY.

THEY DEVELOP IT. SOMEONE ELSE DEVELOP IT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A, A THING THAT'S GOING TO COME UP BEFOREHAND.

SO I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD OF WHAT ARE THE BEST USAGE, HOW, HOW SURE YOU ARE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH THE FINISH LINE. WE'VE SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH THEM.

SO THEY'RE UNDER PSA RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

SO THEY'RE VERY SERIOUS. I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP.

I JUST WANT US TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND I GET IT. FIRST PAGE OF NEWSPAPER IS GOING TO BE SLIM CHICKENS.

CHICKEN PLAYS AGAIN, BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, STARBUCKS IS NOT STARBUCKS ANYMORE.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT BALANCING HOW THIS IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND WHERE THIS IS.

AND I GET IT. IT PUTS ME IN A POSITION WHERE TOMORROW GINA WILL GO IN FRONT AND SAY, HEY, WELL, YOU DID IT FOR THEM. WHY CAN'T YOU DO IT FOR ME? AND HERE'S MY CHALLENGES. SO I'M JUST SPITBALLING HERE AND TALKING ABOUT IT.

FAIR ENOUGH. YEAH. I ASKED COUNCILMAN I WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE.

I DON'T THINK I'LL SURPRISE YOU ALL OR ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES THAT GENERALLY I'M NOT A FAN OF DRIVE THROUGH PROLIFERATION.

I DON'T SEE GOODWILL GOING ANYWHERE. I'VE SEEN THEM ALL OVER.

I DON'T SEE THEM CHANGING OUT ANYTIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I GET IT'S A DROP OFF, BUT I PREFER THAT TO PEOPLE DRAGGING BOXES OF STUFF ACROSS A PARKING LOT BECAUSE FRANKLY, WHEN YOU START DOING THAT, THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION. AND YOU CAN BE SAYING THAT ABOUT THE PERSON CARRYING THE BOX OF DONATION AND THE PERSON THAT'S STARING AT THEIR CELL PHONE AS THEY DRIVE CAREFULLY THROUGH A PARKING LOT AT 40 MILES AN HOUR.

SO I DON'T MIND THAT. THE OTHER THING, THE OTHER REASON THAT THAT I'M, THAT I'M KIND OF UNDERSTANDING IS NOT JUST THE SITE ITSELF, BUT FRANKLY, THE, THE CHANGING TRAFFIC PATTERN THAT'S COMING UP.

LAVON IS ADDING SOME FAST FOOD IN THEIR AREA.

ALL THE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE, THOUGH, IS GOING TO GO BUY THIS PROPERTY FIRST. AND SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IF WE HAVE WHEN THEY COME ACROSS THAT BRIDGE, THEY CAN COME RIGHT ACROSS KRAMER, SWING THROUGH OR SWING THROUGH ON ONE OF THE DIESEL LANES. AND IF WE HAVE OPTIONS THERE, WE'LL HAVE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS WHO HIT IT DURING LUNCH.

BUT. BUT MY BIGGER THOUGHT IS WE'LL ALSO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE DRIVING HOME TO ALL THOSE CARS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DID A RED LIGHT THING. 95% THAT GOT A TICKET DON'T LIVE IN WYLIE.

IF WE CAN GET SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE DRIVING THROUGH ON THAT LOOP TO STOP AT OUR AND SPEND THEIR SALES TAX DOLLARS HERE,

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I'M GOING TO GO OUT ON A LIMB. IF SLIM PICKENS BUILDS IN WYLIE, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BUILD IN LAVON.

I DON'T THINK THERE IS PROLIFERATE AS A MCDONALD'S.

RIGHT? RIGHT. IF WE HAVE A MORE UNIQUE CONCEPT LIKE THAT, THAT CAN ATTRACT PEOPLE TO STOP AND SPEND THEIR MONEY BEFORE THEY GO HOME TO LAVON, NEVADA, JOSEPHINE, AND ALL THE OTHER PLACES THAT THAT WE SEE THEM COMING THROUGH.

I THINK THAT'S A VALUE ADD POTENTIALLY THERE.

AND SO YEAH, I, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING WILLING TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT OPINION AND I WON'T NAME NAMES BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK I'M SLIDING A CERTAIN BUSINESS. IF IT WAS, I'LL CALL IT A MORE GENERIC FAST FOOD.

SO YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR MY COLLEAGUES THAT IN LOOKING AT GENERATING REVENUE, HAVING A MORE UNIQUE CONCEPT ON THE NORTH SIDE, THAT CATCH CATCHES THAT TRAFFIC PATTERN GOING HOME MIGHT BE WORTH CONSIDERING WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING THE REQUEST. COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AND I THINK MAYOR STOLE SOME OF MY THUNDER IN THE HIGHLIGHTING THE DIFFERENCE.

BUT OF COURSE, BETWEEN THE GOODWILL AND ANOTHER FAST FOOD PLACE RIGHT NEXT TO THE OTHER ONES.

SAME THING WITH BAHAMA BUCKS. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

IT'S ALREADY GOING IN. SO IT'S CLIENTELE AND IT'S, IT'S A ADD ON TO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.

SO YOU COULD, YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, TWO HITS BY THE SAME SALES CUSTOMER.

BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING, THAT WATER LINE AND PARKING AND ACCESSIBILITY OF THAT BUILDING.

I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE SOMEONE WILLING TO LEASE IT IS PROBABLY WHAT TIPS THE SCALE FOR ME VERSUS JUST A GENERIC, YOU KNOW, STAMP OF, OF. YEAH. SO I THINK FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IT MYSELF.

WE DID NOT WANT TO GO TO ALL THIS TROUBLE WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN THERE.

SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT ANYBODY THROUGH THE EXERCISE.

SO YEAH. OKAY. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION.

COUNCILMAN PICKENS, DID YOU HAVE THANK YOU. THIS QUESTION FOR JASON. JUST JUST SOMETHING JUST BUGGING ME ABOUT THIS.

WHEN WAS THAT WATERLINE INSTALLED? WELL, I KNOW THEY DID A BUNCH OF WORK RIGHT ABOUT THE TIME WE BOUGHT IT, BECAUSE I HAD TO SIGN PAPERWORK TO ALLOW THEM TO COME THROUGH THE PROPERTY.

SO I GUESS WE BOUGHT IT IN 22 OR 23, BUT I THINK IT WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION LIKE TWO YEARS AGO, ROUGHLY TWO YEARS AGO, I WOULD SAY. I'M GUESSING I REMEMBER GOING IN.

WERE YOU REIMBURSED FOR THAT? NO, I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T DO IT.

I DIDN'T INSTALL IT. THAT WAS THE MUD. NO, I THINK HIS QUESTION WAS SORRY.

YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT LIVE. SO I'LL I'LL STATE IT FOR YOU.

SORRY. GO AHEAD. THERE YOU GO. NOW YOU ARE SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD. WERE YOU REIMBURSED FOR THE WATER LINE INSTALLATION AND TAKING OUT THE PROPERTY AND THE THE I GUESS NON-DEVELOPMENT ZONE THAT THEY. WAS I SUPPOSED TO BE? I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD HAVE BECAUSE I WASN'T. OKAY.

BUT IF I NEED TO ASK SOMEBODY, I CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.

JASON WILL. I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS IT'S GOT ONLY 18 PARKING SPOTS FOR A RESTAURANT, SOMEWHAT OF A SIT DOWN, HAVING 18 PARKING SPOTS.

DO WE HAVE CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENT FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION. IS THERE CROSS PARKING AGREEMENT THERE? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. CROSS PARKING AGREEMENT. BUT THE THE RESTAURANT THEY PARK AT ONE PER 150 BASED ON THE PD.

THAT'S FOR WITHOUT DRIVE THROUGH, WITHOUT A DRIVE, WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH, WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH, WITH A DRIVE THROUGH. I THINK IT'S 1 TO 250. SO THAT WOULD BE TEN PARKING SPACES IF IT'S 2500FT².

SO IT'S WELL, THE THING IS THAT. A RESTAURANT THIS SIZE IS GOING TO HAVE OUT OF THE 18 PARKING SPOTS, HALF OF IT IS GOING TO BE BY EMPLOYEES. AND YOU'LL ONLY HAVE NINE WITHOUT CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT.

THERE'S 18 PARKING SPACES ON THAT, CORRECT? YEAH.

I HAVE A RESTAURANT ACROSS THE STREET. IT HAS 60 PARKING SPOTS.

I HAVE 22 EMPLOYEES. ON SUNDAY, 33% OF THE PARKING GOES TO MY EMPLOYEES.

I UNDERSTAND. SO WHAT I'M WHAT I'M WHAT I'M SAYING, MAYOR PRO TEM IS THAT THEY MEET THE CURRENT STANDARD.

AND WITHOUT CHANGING THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. AND UNLESS WE ADD A CROSS PARKING AGREEMENT IS PART OF THE NEW PD.

PART OF THE NEW PD, AND FOR ME TO MOVE IT FORWARD, I CAN ASK THEM TO ADD A CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENT FOR PEOPLE TO PARK AROUND ON THE OTHER PART. IS THAT CORRECT? I MEAN, THAT'S BASICALLY JUST ADDING A LINE IN THE RETAIL.

YEAH. BASICALLY ANYBODY COULD PARK ANYWHERE ON ANY LOT.

AND WE WOULD ASK, YOU CAN DO THAT FOR WHAT YOU'VE SOLD ALREADY?

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YEAH. I MEAN JUST THE LOTS HE OWNS. I MEAN I CAN I MEAN FOR LOT TWO, I MEAN I I'M THE DEVELOPER AND OWNER OF LOT TWO, THE RETAIL STRIP. SO I MEAN WE COULD DEFINITELY OFFER A CROSS PARK WITH LOT TWO.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE IF WE'RE OVER PARKED ON THAT ONE. I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE PARKING ON THAT LATELY. WE PROBABLY ARE BECAUSE WE I KNOW WE HAVEN'T DONE AS MUCH FOOD RESTAURANT AS WE ARE DOING PROBABLY MORE RETAIL IN THAT ONE, ESPECIALLY WITH GOODWILL GOODWILL'S RETAIL. SO SO ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR RESTAURANT.

ONE THING I WANTED TO TO POINT OUT, I AM ASSUMING THAT IF I HEARD AND LISTENED CORRECTLY, THAT THE 50 FOOT EASEMENT THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE, THAT DOES SHOW PARKING IS NOT BEING COUNTED. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH DURING SITE PLANNING AND PERMITTING WITH THE MUD. BUT I WILL SAY THIS. WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO COUNT PARKING SPOTS IN GENERAL.

RIGHT. I WILL SAY THIS. I DON'T THINK THIS IS AS EFFICIENT AS IT COULD BE.

JUST LOOKING AT IT, I'M COUNTING 5 TO 6 SPACES.

I COULD EASILY ADD OUTSIDE OF THE EASEMENT AREA.

YEAH. WELL I'M JUST I'M. OR IS THIS OUR IT WAS THEIR PLAN THAT I JUST DROPPED IN.

I'M SEEING IF I WAS THEIR ENGINEER, IT WOULD LOOK REALLY.

WELL, YOU KNOW, A LOT BETTER. PERFECT. YEAH. ALMOST PERFECT.

WELL AND AGAIN, I, I'M, I JUST I'M ASSUMING THAT BECAUSE I'M COUNTING 19 SPACES AROUND THAT AT THE FRONT ALONG TECH STOCK COMBINED WITH THE, THE, THE ONE ROW THAT'S IN BETWEEN 2 AND 3.

AND THEN I SEE PARKING TO THE RIGHT OF THE BUILDING THAT I'M ASSUMING IS NOT BEING CALCULATED.

AND I MAY MIGHT BE 18 AND MY EYES ARE TIRED, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT SOME OF THAT OTHER PARKING THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND THE BUILDING, JUST PAST THE DRIVE THROUGH LINE IS NOT BEING ROUTED INTO THAT ANYWAY.

I SEE A ROUGHLY 33 THAT ARE ON THAT ON THERE ON THAT, ON THAT LOT.

THERE'S JUST A NUMBER THAT DON'T TECHNICALLY COUNT.

YEAH, THERE'S A FEW THAT WE CAN'T COUNT TOWARDS REQUIRED PARKING, BUT THEY STILL MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.

SO YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING WE'VE BEEN, I THINK WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE, THE REQUIRED PARKING OR THE PARKING THAT WOULD BE COUNTED.

YES. BUT THERE'S ANOTHER, AS YOU SAID, I THINK ABOUT 10 OR 15 SPOTS THERE.

YEAH. WE'RE ALL GETTING A DIFFERENT NUMBER. BUT MY POINT IS THERE'S AT LEAST 10 TO 15 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES THAT JUST TECH HOW EVERYONE PUT IT.

I'M GOING TO SAY THEY CAN'T BE COUNTED OR AREN'T BEING COUNTED. THAT WOULD PROVIDE EXTRA PARKING FOR THAT.

YES, SIR. OKAY. SO THERE'S THERE'S TWO LABELS THERE.

THERE'S 18 SPACES NEEDED. AND RIGHT UNDER THAT, IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT IT SAYS 39 SPACES PROVIDED ON THE LOT.

OKAY. YEAH. SO THERE'S 39 SPACES FOR A 2600 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, WHICH I THINK THAT HELPS ADDRESS SOME OF WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM WAS SAYING, BECAUSE IF THERE'S 39 AND YOU'RE USING A QUARTER OF IT AND YOU STILL HAVE 30 FOR GUESTS, THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMAN PICKENS. THANK YOU MAYOR.

MISS HOLLY JUST TOLD ME THE DATE THE WATER LINE WAS WAS THE EASEMENT.

THE EASEMENT WAS 2021. OKAY. SO THAT'S FIVE YEARS AGO.

WHEN DID Y'ALL FIND OUT ABOUT IT? 23. 22. 22 OR 23.

SOMEWHERE IN THERE. SO TWO YEARS AFTER THE EASEMENT WAS PUBLISHED.

YEAH, THE EASEMENT WAS THERE WHEN WE BOUGHT IT.

I JUST KNOW IT WAS REWORKED BECAUSE THEY MOVED EQUIPMENT ON SHORTLY AFTER WE BOUGHT IT.

SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, IT WAS PROBABLY JUST THEY ENLARGED THE WATER LINE. I DON'T KNOW, JASON MIGHT KNOW, BUT I KNOW THEY DID A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION ON THERE. SORRY ABOUT PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT.

OH YEAH. THERE'S NO PROBLEM. I CAN'T IMAGINE THE EASEMENT.

IF IF MR. ALBERT DIDN'T GET PAID ANYTHING, THEN THEY DIDN'T ENLARGE THE EASEMENT.

THEY CAN THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT WITHIN THAT 50FT.

AS FAR AS THAT'S WHY IT'S THERE. SO THEY CAN DO ANY WORK THAT THEY WANT.

IF THEY WENT FROM 36 TO 48 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S FINE.

BUT THE EASEMENT ITSELF DID NOT CHANGE. OKAY.

IS THERE ANY THING THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THE WATER DISTRICT AS FAR AS IS EASEMENT TOO BIG OR.

NO, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO. IT STAYS WHERE IT IS.

YES, SIR. THEY'RE THEIR OWN POLITICAL SUBDIVISION, SO BELIEVE ME, I KNOW.

YEAH. JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. DUE DILIGENCE.

YES, SIR. YEAH. YEAH.

I DON'T LIKE TO HAVE DEVELOPERS COMING BACK AND SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO CHANGE STUFF.

AFTER COMING IN, WE'VE EXHAUSTED ALL AND WE'RE ASKING YOU FOR SUGGESTIONS.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO. SO I'M, I'M OF THE MIND.

GO BACK AND SHARPEN YOUR PENCILS AND WORK ON THIS SOME MORE.

THAT'S WHERE I'M STANDING WITH THIS. NOW, MY OTHER COUNCILMAN MAY NOT AGREE WITH ME ON THAT,

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BUT THAT'S WHERE I STAND WITH THIS AS AN ENGINEER.

WELL, AGAIN YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN SHARPEN OUR PENCILS FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS NOW TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

AND AGAIN, JUST, IT CREATES CHALLENGES BASED ON THE DIFFERENT USER SHIPS HERE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE BACKED INTO A CORNER, BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND WE'RE GOING TO END UP BUILDING SOME FREE STANDING DENTISTS THERE, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO HELP ANYBODY. IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP ME IN MY DEVELOPMENT. IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP THE CITY WITH SALES TAX. THIS IS ALL THAT LOT'S GOING TO ALLOW.

SO YOU KNOW, QSR FOOD, A FEW RETAIL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NAIL SALONS, HAIR CUTTERS AND DENTISTS.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE WHEN, WHENEVER, WHENEVER I BUILD A NEW DEVELOPMENT, THOSE ARE ALWAYS THE THREE.

I HAVE NO HAIR CUTTER IN HERE. I GOT ONE NAIL SALON.

I GOT NO DENTIST IN THERE. SO I'M TRYING TO BRING THE BEST USE FORWARD FOR EVERYBODY HERE.

BEYOND THAT, I MEAN, SO THE THE DONATION CENTER ARE THEY DOING SALES OR JUST DONATING? IS IT JUST ACCEPTING DONATIONS? SO THERE'S NO SALES TAX COMING OUT OF THAT BUILDING.

THE GOODWILL. IT'S JUST A DONATION DROP OFF CENTER.

CORRECT. IT'S JUST A THERE'S NO SALES TAX COMING FROM THAT BUILDING. YEAH, IT'S A 1750 SQUARE FOOT DROP OFF CENTER.

I THINK THEY'LL HAVE. I WOULD IMAGINE WITH 1750 THEY'LL HAVE IT'S A VERY BEAUTIFUL SITE.

IF YOU GO TO GOODWILL'S WEBSITE AND YOU LOOK AT THEIR DROP OFF CENTER LOCATIONS, THEY'RE VERY HIGH QUALITY.

I MEAN, WE'RE NOT BRINGING ANYBODY IN HERE. I DON'T WANT SOME LOW QUALITY DRESSING THAT I'M DRESSING THE SALES TAX GENERATED BY THE BUILDING.

YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT WE HAD WAY BACK WHEN, WHEN WE WERE INITIALLY DEVELOPING THIS, WE DID, WE HAD A COFFEE USER THAT WAS GOING TO GO ON THAT END CAP.

BUT YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME WE GOT TO BUILDING IT, IT HAD GOTTEN SO FAR DOWN THE LONG IN THE TOOTH AND THEY JUST, THEY BAILED ON US AND WE'VE STRUGGLED TO BRING, WHICH REALLY SURPRISED ME.

I MEAN, IF I KNEW I WASN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT A REAL DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT QSR, I MEAN, I'M IN THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS. THAT'S HOW I FIRST CAME TO WILEY IS OPENED UP MY RESTAURANT HERE.

YOU KNOW, SO YOU KNOW, WITHOUT IF I HAD KNOWN THAT I'D GROWN THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T NEED TO TAKE UP SPACE ON MY LOT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH LANE.

I COULD HAVE HAD MORE RENTABLE GROSS AREA. SO, YEAH, IT'S JUST BEEN A CHALLENGE.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, I'M READY FOR A MOTION IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING.

I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE. I THINK WE'VE HAD QUITE A DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT, SO I WOULD BE OPEN TO A MOTION COUNCILMAN MAYOR.

I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS PRESENTED.

OKAY, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR YOU'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVING BOTH THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THE CHANGES TO THE THE BACK BUILDING. I'LL REFER TO IT. THE HEALTH CLUB BUILDING.

CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AS STATED.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND THIS EVENING, COUNCILMAN HOOVER, I SECOND OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND TO APPROVE. COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

AND THE MOTION CARRIES. IS IS THAT OKAY? 6 TO 1 COUNCILMAN STRING AGAINST.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY, JUST MAKING SURE.

SORRY. IT WAS THE SAME AS LAST TIME AND HESITATED, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

OKAY, THAT WILL COMPLETE THAT AGENDA ITEM. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING,

[3. Hold a Public Hearing, consider, and act upon, the writing of an ordinance for a change in zoning from Planned Development Single-Family District (PD2017-04) to Planned Development Single-Family (PD/SF) to remove references, rights and obligations with respect to the Stonehaven House. Property generally located at the northwest corner of Ballard Avenue and Alanis Drive (ZC 2026-13).]

CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE WRITING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM PLAN DEVELOPMENT. SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT PD 2017-04 TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT SINGLE FAMILY PD, SF TO REMOVE REFERENCES, RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE STONEHAVEN HOUSE PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BALLARD AVENUE AND ALLEN EAST DRIVE.

ZONING CASE 2026-13. YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS ITEM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, OVER THE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE STONEHAVEN HOUSE.

I BELIEVE IT WAS OUR AUGUST MEETING WITH THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.

WE WERE MOVING FORWARD WITH DOING AN AGREEMENT WITH MR. JAMES PRIVETT TO RELOCATE THE HOUSE DOWNTOWN.

IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON THAT AGREEMENT, WE REACHED OUT TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND HE SUGGESTED THAT WE AMEND THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE STONE RANCH SUBDIVISION HAS LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS THE STONEHAVEN HOUSE,

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SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS THE WYLIE HISTORIC SOCIETY AND WHAT THEIR ROLE WOULD BE IN DEVELOPING THE HOUSE AND MOVING IN LANGUAGE OF HOW THE CITY WOULD WORK. WITH ALL OF THAT, AT THE SUGGESTION OF THE ATTORNEY, HE SUGGESTED THAT WE REMOVE ALL OF THAT LANGUAGE FROM THE PD.

ALSO, WE REACHED OUT TO THE STONE RANCH HOA BECAUSE IN THEIR CARS THEY HAVE THAT SAME LANGUAGE AND THEY HAVE A STATEMENT THAT SAYS THAT THE STONEHAVEN HOUSE IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE SUBDIVISION, ALTHOUGH THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OR ENFORCEMENT OF THE CARS FOR THE HOA ATTORNEY. STILL, YOU KNOW, ASKED THAT WE REACH OUT TO THEM.

THEY DID TRY TO GET THEIR MEMBERS TO CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE ACCORDING TO THEIR CARS.

IT REQUIRES 67% OF THEIR MEMBERSHIP. WELL, THEY DID NOT GET THAT.

BUT NONETHELESS THEY REALLY, I MEAN, IT'S OUR HOUSE, OUR PROPERTY, THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE A SAY IN WHAT WE DO WITH OUR PROPERTY. LIKEWISE, WE HAVE NO SAY OR AUTHORITY OF WHAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR CARS.

SO WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. OH, LET ME BACK UP.

IN THE PROCESS OF THIS, THE CITY ATTORNEY DID DO A TITLE SEARCH TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY ANY OTHER RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY.

THE ONLY THING THAT CAME UP WAS A TEN FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT.

THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE. SO WE WERE CLEAR ON THAT.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IN YOUR PACKET IS JUST A STRIKETHROUGH OF ANY LANGUAGE THAT MENTIONS THE STONE HOUSE.

FOR INSTANCE, IT SAYS THE STONE FAMILY HOUSE WILL BE MOVED TO A PARK ON THE PROPERTY.

IT TALKS ABOUT THE WILD HISTORIC SOCIETY MAINTAINING THE HOUSE AND TAKING OWNERSHIP RESPONSIBILITY FOR SECURING THE HOUSE AND PAYING FOR ELECTRICITY, AND THAT THE CITY WOULD MOVE THE THE HOUSE TO A PARK WITH A NEW PORCH AND FRONT. SO THAT LANGUAGE IS BEING SUGGESTED TO BE REMOVED.

ONCE THAT IS DONE, WE CAN THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AGREEMENT WITH MR. PRIVET. WE DID MAIL OUT 224 NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS.

WE RECEIVED 21 RESPONSES IN FAVOR AND THREE IN OPPOSITION AND ONE THAT WAS RETURNED THAT DIDN'T CHECK THE BOX.

SO AND PNC DID RECOMMEND 4 TO 1 TO APPROVE. SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

OKAY, SO MISS SALLY, WHILE WE MENTIONED THAT IT ALLOWS US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH MR. PRIVET, IF FOR ANY REASON THAT CHANGES, IF WE WERE TO TO MAKE ANY MOVEMENT OF THE HOUSE OR WE WERE TO GO UTILIZE A DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL, IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE THIS CHANGE, WOULD IT.

CORRECT. CORRECT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS ON THE RECORD THAT ANY MOVEMENT OF THE HOUSE AND CHANGE TO THIS WOULD REQUIRE US TO GO BACK AND.

AND THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID.

I MEAN, BECAUSE HIS FIRST CONVERSATION WITH ME DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHO WAS GOING TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE HOUSE.

IT WAS JUST THE FACT THAT THE WAY THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN.

SO, YES, NO MATTER WHO THAT ENTITY WOULD BE, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

OKAY. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CLARIFIED THAT JUST BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY UNTIL IT'S DONE CORRECT, THERE COULD BE A CHANGE THERE. BUT NO MATTER WHO ENDS UP WORKING AND PARTNERING WITH US, IT DOES REQUIRE CHANGING OF THE ORDINANCE.

OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS. SO SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, I WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THAT FIRST.

SO, MISS BRADLEY, PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT I AM OPENING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.

IF WE HAVE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC PRESENT WISHING TO ADDRESS, THE COUNCIL WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO SO AT THIS TIME.

OKAY, SO, MISS BRADLEY, PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT NO ONE HAS STEPPED FORWARD TO SPEAK DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

WITH THAT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MAYOR PRO TEM, I BELIEVE I SAW OUT OF THE CORNER OF MY EYE AS I OPENED THAT, THAT YOU WERE REACHING FORWARD TO SPEAK. SO, MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. MISS HOLLY, HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, THIS AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH MR. PRIVETT DOES NOT MANIFEST. AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT TO PUT THIS HOUSE TO.

DOES THIS LANGUAGE REMOVAL ALLOW US TO KEEP THE HOUSE WHERE IT IS FOR THE TIME BEING? YES. OKAY. THIS DOES NOT PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE THE HOUSE HAS TO BE MOVED.

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AND WHAT NOT. CORRECT. THIS ALSO REMOVES STONE WILEY HISTORIC SOCIETY FROM MAINTAINING IT MOVING FORWARD FROM THE DAY THAT WE STRIKE THIS LANGUAGE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE THERE. OKAY. IN THAT VEIN OF THOUGHT, MISS ALI, DO WE HAVE A PLAN TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE, MAYBE FROM PARKS GOING BY AND CHECKING THE HOUSE ON A SEMI-REGULAR BASIS TO ENSURE DOORS ARE LOCKED, CLOSED, THAT TYPE OF THING.

WE HAVE THEM DOING THAT AS WELL AS WE HAVE A VERY DILIGENT SUBDIVISION PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WILL CALL US AND LET US KNOW IF SOMETHING IS IF A DOOR IS OPEN OR WINDOWS ARE BROKEN.

SO AND I, AND I SAY THAT, BUT I SAY THAT SINCERELY, THAT I DO APPRECIATE THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN REACHING OUT TO US AS WELL.

OKAY. JUST WANTED TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS STATED AS WELL THAT WE WILL WORK ON THAT.

I BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN ANSWERING THOSE CALLS QUITE A FEW TIMES IN THE PAST ALREADY.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS THANK YOU.

MAYOR WITH US WITH THIS VERBIAGE THAT IS HERE.

WOULD IT BE WISE TO SEND THE HOAAA LETTER THAT GIVES THEM AN OPTION OR A DEADLINE TEN DAYS OUT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THEM TO SORRY.

TRYING TO GET MY THOUGHTS FOR THEM TO END UP LETTING US KNOW IF THEY HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THAT SUBDIVISION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE HOUSE RETAINING TO. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A CHANCE THEY HAVE IT.

I DON'T THINK IT CAN. BUT MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE ATTORNEY WAS COMING FROM AN ANGLE OF IF THIS WAS IN THE DEED, YOU KNOW AND PART OF THE ORDINANCE IS WHEN PEOPLE PURCHASE THE HOUSE, THE REASON WHY THEY'RE PROBABLY ASKING US TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE, TO THE OWNERS IS, YOU KNOW, THAT BEING IF SOMEONE COMES BACK TO SAY, WELL, I, I, I BOUGHT MY HOUSE BECAUSE THAT WAS THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A, AN AVENUE TO SAY, WELL, WE SENT OUT THE LETTERS, WHICH WE DID TO, TO EVERYONE. BUT AS FAR AS THE HOA, IT BEING AN INTEGRAL PART, DOES THE HOA HAVE LAND AND WANT TO KEEP IT FOR SOME, YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA FOR SOME REASON THEY CAME TO US.

SO WE KNOW THAT'S NOT THE CASE. I'M JUST RIGHT FROM A STANDPOINT THAT THERE WELL, THERE IS NO LAND THERE BECAUSE THE LAND THAT IS THERE IS PARKLAND THAT IS DEDICATED TO THE CITY. SO IT WOULD BE OURS. YEAH.

BUT NO, IN THE EVENT THAT THERE WAS SOMEONE WHO SAID, HEY, I BOUGHT MY HOUSE BECAUSE THIS HOUSE WAS THERE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S CITY OWNED. IT'S OUR LAND. IT'S OUR HOUSE.

YEAH, I KNOW HE CAN I. I'M JUST THINKING FROM A COVER OUR BASES FOR ACCUSATIONS IN THE FUTURE MORE THAN ANYTHING WHICH WE MAY HAVE ALREADY DONE IN THE MAILINGS WE'VE SENT OUT. YOU KNOW, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW ON THE HOA IF WE HAD EVEN A LETTER TO THEM OR SOMETHING TO SAY, HEY, WE LET YOU KNOW BACK THEN WHEN WE DID IT THAT WE WERE DOING IT.

OR IF WE GET IT DONE, WE SEND OUT NOTICES AS WE SENT OUT NOTICES AS PART OF THE ZONING CASE, AS WELL AS THE HOA SENT A POLL TO THEIR OWN. OH, OKAY.

GOOD GOOD GOOD GOOD, GOOD. THAT THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT. THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN WAS THAT THEY WEREN'T INVOLVED THE HOA.

OH NO NO NO THEY WERE. THANK YOU. I'VE KEPT THEM UPDATED AND THEY HAVE KEPT ME UPDATED ON THEIR PROCESS.

THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM I JUST HAVE TWO FOLLOW UPS.

ONE IS, WHERE IS MR. PRIVETT? WHAT? WHERE IS HE GETTING READY.

I HAVE TO SAY, WE CAN'T GET INTO THAT LEVEL THIS EVENING BECAUSE IT'S ZONING.

IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN REQUEST AN UPDATE BE SENT.

THAT'S FINE, I JUST. SURE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET INTO.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S NOT PERTAINING TO ZONING, BUT BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO REZONE THE PROPERTY.

LET'S JUST NOT GO TOO FAR. CAN YOU PROVIDE AN.

NO, I GOT IT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. ARE YOU ASKING AN UPDATE ON.

DOES HE KNOW ABOUT THIS? NEVER MIND. WE'RE STRIKE MY MY QUESTION.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CONTENTS ON THE HOUSE IF THERE IS ANY CONTENTS? THE CONTENTS OF THE HOUSE HAVE BEEN STORED EVER SINCE THEY WERE REMOVED FROM THE HOUSE.

AND THE WIDER HISTORIC SOCIETY HAS BEEN PAYING THAT STORAGE.

OKAY. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE OWN THE LAND, SO THERE IS NOTHING ELSE THAT STONE RANCH HOA CAN REQUEST TO BE PUT IN THERE INSTEAD OF THE INSTEAD OF THE STONE STONEHAVEN HOUSE.

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IS THAT RIGHT, OR THAT LAND CANNOT BE USED FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES SINCE WE OWN THE LAND.

CORRECT. IT IS CITY PARK LAND. YES. OKAY. AND THEN IT WAS TALKED ABOUT A MONUMENT ON B AND Z.

CAN YOU GIVE ME DETAILS ON THAT? THAT WAS JUST SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH THE HOA BOARD.

LIKE ONCE THE HOUSE IS MOVED, WHAT DO WE DO? AND THE THOUGHT IS WE WANT TO HONOR THE STONE FAMILY, WHETHER THAT'S A MONUMENT OR A PAVILION OR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO, AND THAT'S US OR THAT'S ON HOA, THAT'S US. OKAY. IT'S PARKLAND. OKAY. BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE BUDGETED.

IT WOULD COME BACK BEFORE COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS APPARENT, I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR TO A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. COUNCILMAN PICKENS. THANK YOU MAYOR.

MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS PRESENTED. OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN HOOVER, I SECOND. MOTION WITH A SECOND TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS PRESENTED.

COUNCIL. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES SIX ONE WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM AGAINST.

WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM FOUR. ITEM FOUR IS TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026-18R AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT

[4. Consider, and act upon, Resolution No. 2026-18(R) authorizing the City Manager to execute an Advanced Funding Agreement (AFA) between the City of Wylie and Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) for the Congestion Mitigation Air Quality (CMAQ) Project and Surface Transportation Block Grant (STBG) to Kreymer Lane from State Highway 78 to Crescent Oak Street. ]

BETWEEN THE CITY OF WYLIE AND TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

TXDOT FOR THE CONGESTION MITIGATION AIR QUALITY C-MAC PROJECT AND SURFACE TRANSPORTATION BLOCK GRANT, STP G TO KRAMER LANE FROM STATE HIGHWAY 78 TO CRESCENT OAK STREET.

THIS WAS TABLED AT 922, SO IT WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM TABLE TWO.

CONSIDER COUNCIL. I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO REMOVE FROM TABLE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN PICKENS SECOND.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND TO REMOVE FROM TABLE COUNCIL.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

IT IS REMOVED FROM TABLE. AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

WELL, MR. SANCHEZ, I CAN LET YOU SAY IT. I BELIEVE YOU ALL ARE ASKING US TO TAKE NO ACTION THIS EVENING WHILE FINAL WORDING IS CONTINUED TO BE WORKED OUT.

THAT'S CORRECT. MAYOR PORTER SO CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, OUR OFFICE IS CURRENTLY IN A PRELIMINARY TALKS WITH COLLIN COUNTY TO DEVELOP A SECONDARY INTERLOCK AGREEMENT FOR CONSTRUCTION FOR KRAMER LANE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ITEM WHILE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT? OKAY. WITH NONE.

WE DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS ITEM THIS EVENING AND YOU ALL WILL BRING IT BACK, CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO ON THIS ACTION, WE WILL JUST MOVE FORWARD OR ON THIS ITEM.

WE WILL TAKE NO ACTION THIS EVENING AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOU ALL PRESENTING IT IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU.

SORRY. YOU GOT A VERY BRIEF, BRIEF TIME IN FRONT OF US, BUT.

OH, NO. YOU'RE GOOD. I WAS JUST SAYING YOU HAD TO WAIT QUITE A WHILE TO GET TO GET VERY LITTLE TO SAY.

WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM FIVE. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026-20R, EVIDENCING SUPPORT FOR THE WYLIE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ESTABLISH AND MANAGE A TRAINING AND

[5. Consider, and act upon, Resolution No. 2026-20(R) evidencing support for the Wylie Police Department to establish and manage a training and professional development program in compliance with the Texas Commission on Law Enforcement (TCOLE) guidelines.]

PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON LAW ENFORCEMENT GUIDELINES.

CHIEF HENDERSON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU.

I'LL TRY TO BE VERY QUICK. I'LL OBVIOUSLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE FOR ME.

YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THIS RESOLUTION FOR US TO FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH AN ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD AS REQUIRED BY T CODE FOR US TO BE A TRAINING PROVIDER. YOU WILL KNOW THAT THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS WE'VE COME TO YOU AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO HOST MORE IN-HOUSE TRAINING. AND A PART OF THAT WAS FOR US TO TRY TO BECOME A TRAINING PROVIDER.

WHAT WE'VE HAD TO DO UP TO THIS POINT IS ANY TRAINING THAT WE HAVE DONE IN-HOUSE, WE HAVE HAD TO RELY ON MURPHY PD TO ACTUALLY SUBMIT THOSE HOURS OF TRAINING FOR US, BEING THAT WE'RE ROUGHLY ABOUT THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF MURPHY.

THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF FOR US TO BE SENDING SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND WITH THAT, I DO WANT TO SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE CHIEF GIBSON AND AND HIS EMPLOYEES FOR BEING WILLING TO HELP OUT WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S PUTTING A LOT MORE WORK ON

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THEM. SO I KIND OF WANT TO JUST, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF SOME REAL QUICK STATS.

SO YOU KIND OF KNOW THE AMOUNT OF TRAINING THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN DOING.

SO SO FAR THIS YEAR, WE, THE TOTAL TRAINING HOURS COMPLETED THIS YEAR ACROSS ALL OFFICERS IN THE DEPARTMENT IS 13,475 HOURS.

THE TOTAL TRAINING HOURS COMPLETED IN HOUSE WAS 3787.

THAT'S EIGHT CLASSES THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY HOSTED.

THE NUMBER OF COURSES THAT MURPHY PD REPORTED WAS OBVIOUSLY ALL EIGHT OF THOSE FOR US.

THE NUMBER OF OUTSIDE AGENCIES WHO SENT PERSONNEL TO ATTEND WILEY'S TRAINING HERE WAS 45 DIFFERENT AGENCIES WITH FOUR OUT OF STATE.

WE HAD SOME WE HAD PEOPLE FROM GUAM, COLORADO, NEW MEXICO AND OKLAHOMA THAT ATTENDED THE TRAINING HERE.

THE NUMBER OF HOSTED CLASSES THAT WERE MULTI-DAY EVENTS WAS THREE.

SO WITH THAT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS REALLY INCREASE OUR ABILITY TO HOST MORE TRAINING HERE THAT GETS OUR OFFICERS IN, IN TRAINING. YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS I DO THAT YOU SEND PEOPLE OUT TO TRAINING AND THEY HAVE TO GO ELSEWHERE.

IT ALWAYS COMES WITH A PRICE TAG. I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT I'VE SENT OFFICERS TO FREE 200, 305 HUNDRED CLASSES BECAUSE IT USUALLY COMES WITH SOME KIND OF TRAVEL OR MEALS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

EVEN THOUGH THE CLASS IN AND OF ITSELF IS FREE.

AND SO BY HOSTING CLASSES HERE, IT ACTUALLY ALLOWS US TO HAVE MORE OF OUR OWN OFFICERS ATTEND A GIVEN CLASS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO PAY ALL THE EXTRA STUFF FOR TRAVEL AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO WE ACTUALLY MET WITH TE COLE LAST WEEK, AND WHEN SHE CAME IN, SHE WAS INSPECTING ALL THE STUFF THAT WE PROVIDED. WE HAD TO PROVIDE ALL OF OUR T CO INSTRUCTORS THAT WE HAVE BIOS FOR ALL OF THAT.

WE HAD TO TAKE THEM AND SHOW THEM SOME OF THE TRAINING FACILITIES THAT WE USE, THE DRIVING PAD, THE FIRING RANGE, AND A LOT OF THAT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS THAT THE, THE T CO PERSONNEL THAT WAS THERE SAID THAT SHE HAS FIVE CURRENT AGENCIES, AND OUR AGENCY WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT EVERYTHING WAS ABSOLUTELY SQUARED AWAY IN, IN THE SUBMITTING PACKET, WHICH I DO WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TO OFFICER AARON PHILLIPS, BECAUSE HE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOING THIS AND HELPING US OUT.

HE WAS ON RESTRICTED DUTY FOR A WHILE FROM AN INJURY.

AND HE SPENT HIS TIME TRYING TO GET THIS FOR US, WHICH WAS A HUGE THING FOR US TO MOVE TOWARDS.

AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE LONGER BEFORE WE WERE ABLE TO HEAR SOMETHING BACK, BUT BECAUSE EVERYTHING WAS SO SQUARED AWAY, THE VERY NEXT DAY WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT WE WERE APPROVED.

SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT'S THE LAST THING THAT'S REALLY HERE FOR US IS TO, FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH AN ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD.

AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR MAYBE COUNCIL MEETING IN DECEMBER, THEY WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY COME TO COUNCIL AND PRESENT US WITH THE BEING A TRAINING, BEING SELECTED AS A TRAINING PROVIDER.

ONE OTHER THING WITH THAT, I REACHED OUT TO ALL THE AGENCIES THAT WE CURRENTLY WORK WITH AS IT RELATES TO OUR JAIL.

AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE AGENCIES ACTUALLY SUBMITTED A LETTER ON OUR BEHALF TO TICO FOR US TO BE A TRAINING PROVIDER.

BECAUSE CLEARLY THEY SEE SOME BENEFIT IN THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE WE WOULD DEFINITELY OPEN UP OUR DOORS AND ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO COME AND JOIN IN ON THAT, THAT TRAINING. AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE.

OKAY. WELL, I WANT TO START OUT BY SAYING THANK YOU TO BOTH OF YOU.

YOUR DEPARTMENT AND OFFICER PHILLIPS. YES, SIR.

IS IT OFFICER? YES, SIR. OKAY. I DON'T DON'T DON'T WANT TO DEMOTE SOMEONE WITH USING THE WRONG TITLE.

SO THE WORK DONE ON THIS IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

AND THE FACT THAT YOU ALL WERE ABLE TO DO SO IN THAT TYPE OF PROFESSIONAL MANNER.

GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, SO TO SPEAK. SPEAKS WELL OF BOTH YOU AND THE TEAM THAT YOU HAVE.

I THINK THAT THIS KIND OF THINKING MAKES SENSE.

IT ALLOWS BETTER TRAINING. I THINK I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GET BETTER TRAINING THAN FROM US. I MIGHT BE BIASED, BUT BETTER TRAINING AND MORE TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES, BUT ALSO DOING SO IN A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER.

AND OBVIOUSLY IT OPENS UP THE DOOR FOR OTHERS, BUT NOW I SEE THAT AS A ADDITIONAL BENEFIT AND THE BASELINE BENEFIT.

OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED SO, SO MAYOR REAL QUICK BECAUSE THEY WON'T LET ME IN THE OFFICE TOMORROW IF I DON'T.

BUT THESE TWO LADIES BACK HERE AND SERGEANT HERMES WERE OBVIOUSLY VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN THIS AS WELL.

SO IF I DON'T SAY THAT THEY'LL BE MAD AT ME TOMORROW AND PROBABLY WON'T TALK TO ME THE REST OF THE WEEK.

WELL, ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU ALL.

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AND SHOULD WE MAKE WE WON'T MAKE HIM COME STAND IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA.

RIGHT. AND NOW? NOW I'M GETTING LOOKS IN DECEMBER, THEY'LL BE HERE.

THEY CAN COME IN DECEMBER AND AS PART OF THE LARGER PRESENTATION.

BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, THANK YOU ALL FOR THE WORK THAT WAS DONE ON THAT.

IT IS APPRECIATED. SO, COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, THANK YOU.

MAYOR CHIEF, JUST WANTED TO CONGRATULATE YOU ALL ON GETTING AWARDED OR, YOU KNOW, ASSIGNED.

THE TRAINING FACILITY. I'M SURE THAT THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE TURNED AWAY EVEN IF IT DOES TAKE THEM LONGER TO GET TURNED AWAY BECAUSE THERE ARE PACKETS NOT ALL PUT TOGETHER CORRECTLY. SO JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU AND YOUR TEAM ON THAT AND SAY, WELL DONE AS FAR AS IMPACT ON BUDGET, DO YOU SEE THIS PROGRAM AS IT EVOLVES? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY GETTING IT, IT'S GOING TO START SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO GROW.

DO YOU SEE THAT BEING A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE BUDGET DOLLAR NOT NOT BENEFIT, BUT END A BUDGET DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, PLUS MINUS OR NEUTRAL. HOW DO YOU SEE THAT? IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY RIGHT NOW, BUT I DO THINK IT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY HELP OUR BUDGET A LOT BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY BUDGETING FOR A LOT OF STUFF THAT WE WERE WOULD HAVE TO SEND PEOPLE ELSEWHERE THAT WE ARE TRYING CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS IS A BIG ONE BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY SPECIALIZED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS. AND SO SOME OF THESE CLASSES THAT WE HAVE ALREADY DONE, ONE OF THEM IN PARTICULAR, WE HAD THE TEXAS RANGERS COME IN TO ACTUALLY DO AN INVESTIGATIVE CLASS, WHICH NORMALLY WE WOULD HAVE TO SEND PEOPLE SOMEWHERE ELSE TO, TO GO TO ONE OF THOSE CLASSES.

SO THAT'S WHERE I ACTUALLY SEE THAT THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR A LOT OF COST SAVINGS FOR US.

WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW, IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO SAY THAT STANDING HERE IN FRONT OF YOU, BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON I THINK WE NEED THIS YEAR TO KIND OF SEE WHAT TYPE OF CLASSES WE'RE ABLE TO BRING IN SO THAT I CAN REALLY DETERMINE WHAT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT IS GOING TO BE. BUT I DO THINK IT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY.

YEAH, I FIGURED YOU PROBABLY HAD A LONG TERM VISION THAT YOU COULD SEE THAT GROWING INTO SOMETHING WHICH WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO HAVE IT IN YOUR BACK DOOR.

SURE. AT ANY TIME. BUT JOB WELL DONE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. OKAY. SO, COUNCILMAN PICKENS. YES.

SORRY. MY BUTTON FINGER DIDN'T GO ALL THE WAY ON THE BUTTON. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WANT TO APPLAUD YOU FOR THE WORK THAT Y'ALL DONE.

OBVIOUSLY, A LOT HAS GONE INTO THIS FOR FOR YOU TO BE WHERE YOU ARE TODAY.

AND I CAN SEE THE BENEFIT OF THIS TO THE CITY.

THAT'S AN EASY SELL. THE SOFT COST YOU TALKED ABOUT ARE NOW GOING TO GET SPENT HERE.

THAT'S A GOOD THING. SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE, WHAT THE DEPARTMENT'S DONE, LOOKING FORWARD AND AND THINKING AHEAD AND PREPARING FOR THE FUTURE BY DOING THIS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY. I THINK WE'VE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WE APPRECIATE.

AND THANK YOU ALL AGAIN. MAYOR PRO TEM, DID YOU WISH TO SAY THANK YOU AS WELL? THANK YOU MAYOR. NO, I JUST WANTED TO ASK THEM WHAT DO I NEED TO SAY SO THEY DON'T TALK TO HIM FOR TWO MORE WEEKS? THAT'S ALL. BUT WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE SOMEONE WISHING TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? AND, COUNCILMAN PICKENS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, I'LL SECOND IT.

OKAY. WE DO HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.

COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM SIX.

[6. Consider, and act upon, Resolution No. 2026-21(R) authorizing the City Manager of the City of Wylie, Texas, to execute an Interlocal Agreement by and between the City of Wylie and the Collin County Emergency Service District #1 for the provision of firefighting, fire protection, and emergency medical services. ]

CHIEF BLYTHE WILL BE COMING UP. AND THIS IS TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON RESOLUTION NUMBER 20.

HOWEVER, BEFORE I READ THAT, CHIEF BLYTHE, I SEE WE HAVE A WORK SESSION RELATED TO INSPIRATION ON HERE.

ARE THESE SEPARATE OR INTERRELATED IN THAT YOU WOULD WANT THE WORK SESSION FIRST BEFORE THE ITEMS? NO, SIR. SIX AND SEVEN ARE RELATED. BUT NOT THE WORK SESSION.

OKAY. I KNOW THERE WERE CARVE OUTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS WITH THE SD, BUT I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.

YES SIR. SO WE WILL THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM SIX.

CONSIDER AND ACT UPON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026-21R AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER OF THE CITY OF WYLIE, TEXAS, TO EXECUTE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF WYLIE AND THE COLLIN COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT, NUMBER ONE FOR THE PROVISION OF FIREFIGHTING, FIRE PROTECTION AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES.

CHIEF BLYTHE, THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I THOUGHT BEFORE FOR THESE NEXT TWO ITEMS, I THOUGHT BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, WE WOULD REFRESH UNLESS MAYOR YOU DON'T WANT US TO.

WHAT DID ESD IS AND HOW IT WAS ESTABLISHED. AND WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT IN A WHILE. BUT, AND WE HAVE MR. KEVIN MCGILLIS WHICH IS THE ESD BOARD PRESIDENT HERE WITH US TONIGHT AS WELL, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM. BUT THIS WAS FORMED BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2025 THROUGH A CITIZEN PETITION TO OUR TO OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

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FROM THERE, IT WAS GENERAL ELECTION, NOVEMBER 4TH. IT PASSED 72.56%.

AND THIS INITIAL BOARD WAS APPOINTED IN FEBRUARY OF 26.

ALTHOUGH THIS IS NEW TO OUR AREA AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICTS IN OUR AREA, THERE ARE OVER 300 OPERATING IN THE STATE VERY PREVALENT DOWN SOUTH.

BUT IN OUR AREA, NOT SO MUCH JUST YET, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE MORE AND MORE COMING ALONG.

AND ALL OF THESE ARE ESTABLISHED AND GOVERNED BY THE TEXAS HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE, CHAPTER 775.

SO THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES IS TO PROVIDE, AND I'M GOING TO CLARIFY THIS IN A LITTLE BIT AND PROBABLY MULTIPLE TIMES.

BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COUNTY RESIDENTS. SO PEOPLE IN OUR ETJ, PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN UNINCORPORATED AREAS.

BUT NOW THEY'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO REFER TO THEM AS EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT RESIDENTS.

BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

SO THE EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT WAS CREATED TO, TO SUPPORT FIRE AND FIRE PROTECTION AND EMS SERVICES FOR THE GROWING COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT COLLIN COUNTY. THEIR GOAL IS TO WORK WITH EXISTING FIRE DEPARTMENTS TO ESTABLISH CONTRACTS TO TO, TO CONTINUE THE FIRE SERVICE IN COLLIN COUNTY.

THEY SET THEIR BUDGET AND A TAX RATE OF $0.10 PER 100 ASSESSED VALUE.

THERE'S FIVE BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE APPOINTED BY OUR COLLIN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AND THEY HAVE STAGGERED TWO YEAR TERMS. THEY'RE CERTIFIED VALUES IS ABOUT $13 BILLION ACROSS THE COUNTY.

WITH A PROPERTY TAX REVENUE ANNUALLY. THIS PAST YEAR OF AROUND 13 MILLION.

AND IT'S THE. THAT'S BASED ON A 90% COLLECTION RATE.

THEY DO HAVE SOME EXPENSES IN ADDITION TO IN ADDITION TO FIRE SERVICE, THEY HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE THEY DID DO REIMBURSEMENT BACK TO UTILITY DISTRICTS. THEY'RE THE AMBULANCE SERVICE CONTRACTS GOT MOVED TO, TO THE EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT AS WELL, WHICH LEFT ABOUT 5.25 MILLION AVAILABLE FOR CONTRACTS FOR THE CITIES TO THAT ARE PROVIDING THE SERVICE OF FIRE PROTECTION.

THEY ALSO WERE ESTABLISHED A RESERVE. THIS IS A NEW DISTRICT.

SO THEY HAD, THEY'RE STARTING FROM SCRATCH. SO THEY ESTABLISHED ABOUT $2.5 MILLION IN RESERVES.

SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SD ITSELF. BEFORE WE GO INTO TO THIS, AND AGAIN, THAT PERTAINS TO THE NEXT TWO.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT ITSELF? SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT, DO YOU MEAN WHAT IT IS? WHAT IT IS? QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE GOT HERE. COLLIN COUNTY HAS TRADITIONALLY PAID US.

THESE ARE NOT NEW CONTRACTS. IT'S JUST THAT THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY HELD BY COLLIN COUNTY.

COLLIN COUNTY PAID EACH CITY THROUGH THEIR OPERATING BUDGET.

THEY BUDGETED ABOUT $1 MILLION A YEAR. 50,000 OF THAT WENT TO THE COLLEGE RIGHT OFF THE BAT FOR THE EXCELLENCE FUND, WHICH LEFT 950,000 TO SPLIT AMONGST ALL THE COMMUNITIES THAT PROVIDE FIRE SERVICE IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS.

FROM THERE, THEY WERE ABLE TO OBVIOUSLY, A FEW YEARS AGO, THE FIRE CHIEFS WENT TO THEM AND SAID, HEY, WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T RAISED THAT MILLION DOLLARS IN YEARS.

OUR EXPENSES ARE GOING UP. THERE WAS A PUSH TO TRY TO RAISE THAT FROM 1 TO 3 MILLION.

THE COUNTY DIDN'T DO IT, WHICH LED TO THIS CITIZEN PETITION TO THE VOTERS AND ULTIMATELY WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

SO I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THE FIRST IS JUST OBVIOUSLY MAKING OR REACHING THE AGREEMENT.

WE HAVE BEEN SERVICING INSPIRATION IN SOME OTHER AREAS UNDER CONTRACT IN THE PAST, CORRECT? YES. SO WE HAVE CONTRACTS WITH ROCKWALL COUNTY, COLLIN COUNTY, INSPIRATION IN THE CITY OF SAINT PAUL.

OKAY. FOR THOSE FOR FIRE SERVICE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT AMBULANCE NEXT BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT FOR THAT.

OKAY. AND DO THOSE CONTINUE? CONTINUE. ISD HANDLES ANY.

DOUBLE TAXATION IS THERE. THEY WORK THAT OUT.

THE DOUBLE TAXATION WAS ADDRESSED WITH THE REFUND TO THE MUDS.

RIGHT. MR. MCGILLIS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR THAT, BUT IT WAS ADDRESSED. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE. OBVIOUSLY, THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT AND LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS THEY HAVE, BUT THAT'S HOW IT WAS ADDRESSED IN THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. OKAY.

AND I LOOK AT THE MAP HERE IN EXHIBIT A. MY QUESTION ON THAT.

IS THERE A REASON THAT SOME OF LUCAS IS WITHIN OUR I'M ASSUMING WHERE THE RED LINES.

YES. BUT I SEE AREAS THAT ARE YELLOW, WHICH I ASSUME MEANS IT'S THEIR ETJ.

IS THERE A REASON THAT THAT AND I DON'T KNOW MY GEOGRAPHY OUT THERE ALL THAT WELL, BUT SO THAT WAS THE, THE ONLY PART THAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME WAS, WAS THAT.

SO WE DID AN ETJ SWAP WITH LUCAS IN PARTS OF INSPIRATION AND IT DID NOT GET FILED AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.

NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR STAFF OR OUR PLANNING FOLKS, BUT IT DID NOT GET FILED.

AND SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK THROUGH THAT AND THE INSPIRATION SUBDIVISION.

AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK. AND WE ACTUALLY DID IT TO TRY TO GET AHEAD OF THIS BECAUSE THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT ETJ I REMEMBER WHEN THAT CAME THROUGH,

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IT WAS TO, IT WAS TO NARROW IT DOWN AND EVERYTHING WAS PAUL AND US.

YES, SIR. EVERYTHING WAS SQUARED AWAY ON OUR END. FOR SOME REASON, IT DIDN'T GET FILED IN TIME AT THE COUNTY.

AND SO THAT STILL SHOWS TO BE LUCAS ETJ. BUT ESSENTIALLY WHEN WHEN THE PAPERWORK WORKS OUT, IT WILL BE OURS. YES, SIR. OKAY. THAT HELPS, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS IT.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT COLORED SQUIGGLE LINES ON HERE.

I SHOULD USE THE TECHNICAL TERMS FOR MY ENGINEERING FRIEND.

THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO PULL HIS HAIR OUT HERE LISTENING TO ME.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE GRACE. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY OR ANY OF THESE AREAS WAY OUTSIDE OF WHERE YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY BEEN RESPONDING TO IN THE PAST? NO, SIR. OKAY. THEY'RE THE SAME. IT'S THE SAME COVERAGE AREA THAT WE'VE BEEN COVERING.

OKAY. AT LEAST SINCE 93. WELL, A LOT LESS OF IT IS COUNTY NOW.

BUT BUT THAT HELPS TO UNDERSTAND. MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU PATIENTLY BEEN WAITING.

YEAH. YOU MENTIONED THE DOUBLE TAXATION AND THE MUD'S GIVING MONEY BACK TO THE BOARD.

GIVING THE MONEY BACK TO THE MUD'S. YES, SIR.

IS THAT A FULL AMOUNT? IS THAT THE FULL AMOUNT TO THE BOARDS? IS THAT HALF OF THE AMOUNT THAT THE CITIZENS PAID? IT WAS BUDGETED AT 2.5 MILLION. MR. MCGILLIS MAY HAVE SOME INPUT ON WHAT UTILITY DISTRICTS HAVE ACTUALLY SIGNED AGREEMENTS TO GET THAT MONEY BACK, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS HUNG UP. AND SO THAT WAS GIVEN BACK TO THE CITIZENS OR WAS GIVEN BACK TO THE MUDS WHO ARE BOARD ORIENTED MUDS THAT THEY DO.

YOU CAN COME UP. SO I'M KIM MCGILLIS. WE HAVEN'T GIVEN ANY MONEY BACK TO DATE YET BECAUSE ONE, WE HAVEN'T COLLECTED ANY TAXES TO DATE. WE SIGNED SOME AGREEMENTS WITH THE MUDS AND SAY WILL REFUND A PORTION OF THAT MONEY. AND IT'S, IT'S BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY PAY.

SO IF, IF THEY TOLD US, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM FIVE BUCKS, BUT THEY ONLY GAVE THEM THREE BUCKS, WELL, WE'D ONLY GIVE THEM THE THREE BUCKS BACK MINUS THE MS. AND WE'VE GOT A SMALL ADMIN FEE SO THEY WON'T, THEY WOULDN'T GET 100% BACK.

THEY'D GET CLOSE TO IT BECAUSE THE MS MS IS SEPARATE FROM FIRE.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS GOES BACK TO THE BOARD OR TO THE CITIZEN.

IT GOES TO THE MUDS, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AT THE BOARD LEVEL IS HOW DO WE AS THE ESD BOARD? THE QUESTION WE'RE ASKED BY CITIZENS IS, HEY, WHAT, WHAT'S IT GOING TO MEAN TO ME IN MY POCKETBOOK? AND WE'VE HEARD THAT. AND SO THIS YEAR, OUR GOAL IS TO GO WORK WITH EACH OF THOSE MUDS.

AND THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION WOULD BE LET US KEEP THE MONEY AT THE ESD LEVEL AND PASS THE MONEY DIRECT TO FIRE.

AND THE MUDS CAN WORK THEIR CONTRACTS MINUS THE $0.10 WE COLLECT.

SO SAY SAY THEY PAY A CITY WAY MORE THAN THAN OUR $0.10 RATE AND THEY WANT TO ENHANCE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE.

LIKE YOU GUYS DO A REALLY GOOD JOB. I THINK YOU KNOW THAT YOUR GUYS HAVE ALL SORTS OF CAPABILITIES THAT SO THAT THAT THAT'S KIND OF MY CONCERN WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT.

KEVIN, AND THANK YOU FOR COMING TO THE MICROPHONE ON THIS, BUT I CAN BET MY HOUSE THAT THOSE MUDS ARE NOT GIVING BACK THE MONEY TO THE CITIZENS AND THE CITIZENS IMPACT POCKET IMPACT IS ZERO.

NOW, IF WE DO AND WE DO HAVE CONTRACTS WITH MUDS, WHY WOULDN'T THE BOARD SUPPLEMENT PART OF THAT CONTRACT WITH THE CITIES AUTOMATICALLY SO THE CITIZENS WOULD AUTOMATICALLY SEE A POCKET, A RESTRUCTURE TYPE OF PROGRAM? WHY WOULD THEY GIVE MONEY BACK TO A BUNCH OF BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT EVEN LIVING IN THE DISTRICT AND THAT ARE LIVING OUTSIDE OF THAT DISTRICT AND OUTSIDE OF THAT MUD, RIGHT? BASICALLY GIVING MONEY TO DEVELOPERS TO USE IT FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES.

SO WE'VE GOT ONE EXAMPLE THE MCKINNEY MUD ONE, THEIR BOARD, THEIR CITIZEN, THEY HAVE A CITIZEN BOARD, NOT THE DEVELOPER BOARD UP THERE.

NOW, I GUESS AFTER MANY YEARS THEY'VE REPLACED IT.

CORRECT, CORRECT. AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE ACTUALLY MADE THE COMMITMENT AND THEY'RE LOWERING THEIR, THEIR MUD RATE FOR THE NEXT YEAR TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.

BUT THE BOARD CONTROLS ZERO OF THAT. PARDON ME.

THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OF THAT BECAUSE MUD WILL SET THE RATES. BUT IF YOU WERE TO KEEP THE MONEY AND PAY THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS BASED ON SUPPLEMENTING THEIR CONTRACTS THAT THEY HAVE WITH THOSE MUDS, THEY WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT SENSE.

SO AND THAT WAS MY THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF OUR BOARD'S POSITION IS WE SHOULD GIVE THE MONEY DIRECT.

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BUT IT IS ALREADY AGREED UPON TO GIVE THE MONEY BACK TO THEM FOR ONE YEAR.

OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, CHIEF. YES, SIR. I SEE THAT THIS REFERS TO EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES. BUT ARE THOSE THE ONES BEING PROVIDED BY OUR FIRE RESPONDERS? THEN I NOTICED THE NEXT ONE SAYS EMERGENCY MEDICAL TRANSPORT SERVICES.

SO I ASSUME THAT'S WHERE WE'LL TALK ABOUT AMBULANCE FOR THE EMS AND AMBULANCE SIDE.

YES, SIR. OKAY. YES, SIR. DO YOU FEEL THAT ANY OF THE COMMITMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE UNDER THIS AGREEMENT ARE GOING TO CAUSE A WAIT TIME INCREASE? AND I DON'T MEAN YOU CAN PROMISE, BUT A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT OUR CITIZENS WITHIN THE WITHIN CITY LIMITS IN OUR CONTRACTS HAVE RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, THE CALL VOLUME IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

IT'S AROUND 200 CALLS A YEAR. WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THIS AND WE HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED ANY DELAYS.

NOW, THAT BEING SAID, IF SOMETHING WAS BUILT IN THE ISD THAT WAS HIGH DEMAND AND A HIGH POPULATION, AND IT GENERATED A LOT OF. A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY WAS BUILT IN THE IN THE OUT IN THE ISD SOMEWHERE.

THEN YES, MAYBE. BUT I THINK THAT'S THAT'S ALSO AN ADVANTAGE TO IT AS WELL, BECAUSE THIS ISD IS ONLY FOCUSED ON PROVIDING THAT FIRE AND EMS PROTECTION INSTEAD OF IT HAVING TO GO TO THE COUNTY BUDGET LEVEL TO, TO TRY TO GET APPROVED FOR AN INCREASED LEVEL OF SERVICE.

OKAY. AND I APOLOGIZE, WHAT IS THE TERM? WHAT ARE THE TERMS ON THIS? AGAIN, IT'S ONE YEAR, CORRECT. THIS ONE IS ONE YEAR BECAUSE AS MR. MCGILLIS SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES THAT ARE STILL BEING WORKED OUT.

AGAIN, THIS THIS BOARD WASN'T ESTABLISHED UNTIL THE END OF FEBRUARY.

AND FROM THERE, WE'VE ALL WORKED TOGETHER TO TRY TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT.

AND SO THIS IS A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR. AND OBVIOUSLY IF THE, IF THE REFUNDS TO THE WATER DISTRICTS AND THE MUD, THE MUDS WERE HANDLED DIFFERENTLY, IT WOULD BE $2.5 MILLION BALLPARK.

BACK IN THAT POT. THAT WOULD BE TO REDISTRIBUTE TO THE CITY, WE WOULD HOPE, WHICH WOULD GET US CLOSER TO OUR COST PER CALL THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE PAYING. OKAY. BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT ALREADY PUTS US CLOSER THAN WE THE WHAT WE WERE RECEIVING BEFORE.

ABSOLUTELY. WE WERE WE WERE GETTING PAID FOR $310 A CALL.

AND THIS WILL GET US TO 1292. SO YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S GETTING US MUCH CLOSER THAN WHERE WE CAME FROM.

SORRY. NOT EVERYONE THAT LISTENS TO THE MEETING IS GOING TO NECESSARILY READ THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS.

SO I'M TRYING TO TRYING TO LEAD US THROUGH SOME OF THAT JUST SO THAT THE THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS AWARE OF THE CHANGES.

SURE. OKAY. THOSE FROM THOSE WERE MY LARGER CONCERNS.

I LIKE THAT IT'S A YEAR AS WELL, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THAT TIME, IF YOU ALL COME TO US AND YOU SAY SOMETHING ISN'T WORKING, WE'RE NOT LOCKED INTO A TEN YEAR CONTRACT AT THAT POINT.

SO IF THERE ARE ANY, I'LL CALL THEM HICCUPS ALONG THE WAY.

WE CAN WORK THROUGH THOSE BEFORE BEING COMMITTED LONGER TERM.

YEAH, SOME SOME THINGS THAT I ALREADY KNOW THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED IS A DIFFERENT REVENUE MODEL, UTILITY DISTRICT REFUNDS, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME DISCUSSION OF ADDITIONAL ESD FORMATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, OBVIOUSLY NOT BY THIS BOARD, BUT FROM OTHER CITIES I'VE HEARD TALKING ABOUT IT.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY AS, AS WE CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE OR RENEGOTIATE THAT CONTRACT, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARDS A MORE FOR A MORE FULL SERVICE COST TO WHAT OUR CITIZENS ARE PAYING. OKAY. COUNCILMAN PICKENS.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. JUST TO ADD ON TO WHAT HE TALKED ABOUT ON THE CONTRACT LENGTH I DO HAVE CONCERNS THAT WE FOCUS ON THAT.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I MOVED HERE OVER 20 YEARS AGO, IT WAS A LOT OF COWS AND FARMLAND.

AND I'M SLOWLY SEEING ALL THAT DIRT TURN TO BRICK AND TREE TREES TURNING TO SHINGLES.

AND THOSE AREAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE ARE THOSE LAST VESTIGES OF THAT THAT WILL BE TURNING INTO SERVICE CALLS IN THE FUTURE.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY CONTRACT WE PUT IN PLACE THAT WE ARE COVERED FINANCIALLY THROUGH THE CONTRACT TERM, AND I DO NOT WANT TO GET LOCKED INTO SOMETHING THAT CANNOT KEEP UP WITH GROWTH.

ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. OKAY. WITH NO OTHER. MAYOR PRO TEM, I DO WANT TO ADD ONE MORE THING, MAYOR.

AND I THINK THIS IS NOT FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.

I THINK IT'S FOR THE ISD BOARD MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IT COSTS TO BUILD.

WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE BOND PROJECTIONS AND FOR US TO, TO BE LOOKING AT TRUE COST OF WHAT'S COSTING US.

IT'S ALSO THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE AND THE MONEY THAT'S BEING PUT ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE TOO.

SO I GET IT. THIS GETS US CLOSER TO WHAT THE NUMBER OF CITIZENS ARE PAYING.

BUT WHEN WE'RE HAVING TO DISH OUT $40 MILLION TO BUILD AN INFRASTRUCTURE OR A FIRE STATION FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO BE ABLE TO TO DO

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THIS. YOU KNOW, SOME TRUE COST VARIES AS WELL.

SO I JUST WANT THE ESD BOARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT AS FAR AS THE CITIZENS GOES TO, BECAUSE $40 MILLION OVER 20 YEARS OR 30 YEAR BOND GOES A LONG WAY AND WE'RE HAVING TO DISH THIS OUT YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT, YOU KNOW, FOR MANY YEARS.

SO ESD HAS TO UNDERSTAND, TOO, THAT FROM A WIDELY CITIZEN STANDPOINT, WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE INVESTMENTS AS WELL.

I THINK THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT THAT OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE BUILDINGS, BUT I SEEM TO REMEMBER ORDERING A WHAT WAS IT, $2.5 MILLION FOR THE LAST QUINT.

SO THOSE ARE NOT FREE. AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WAS PRETTY CLOSE TO SOME OF THE NUMBERS THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IN GENERAL.

SO I DEFINITELY WOULD, WOULD, WOULD ADD ON OR AGREE WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM STATEMENT THAT LONG TERM, AGAIN. SPEAKING KIND OF PASSED YOU HERE. OH, NO, DON'T TAKE IT.

I JUST HE'S HERE TAKING NOTES THIS EVENING. AND SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WILL NEED TO BE CONSIDERED, IS THAT THERE ARE FIXED OVERHEAD COSTS THAT ALL OF THE CITIES, NOT JUST US, HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ON ORDERING APPARATUS, BREATHING UNITS, ALL THE THINGS THAT GO INTO PROTECTING OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY SHOW UP AND GET THE JOB DONE BECAUSE WE'D HAVE THE BEST TRAINED PEOPLE. AND IF THE TIRES FALL OFF WHEN THEY PULL OUT OF THE PARKING LOT, IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP.

SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE ESD BOARD TO CONTINUE TO KEEP AN EYE ON.

AND ONE THING TO THAT, AND IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE CAPITAL COMPLETELY, BUT NONE OF THESE AGREEMENTS FORCE US TO HAVE TO DO ANY PLANNING.

CAPITAL PLANNING BASED ON OUR RESPONSE TO THESE AREAS.

WHEN WE DID SIGN THE, THE CONTRACT WITH INSPIRATION YEARS AGO, WE DID OFFER UP OPTIONS FOR, HEY, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A FIRE STATION, IT'S THIS MUCH OR THAT MUCH. THE DEVELOPERS AT THE TIME WEREN'T INTERESTED IN THAT.

SO, SO ALTHOUGH ALTHOUGH THE ALL THE CAPITAL IS NOT CAPTURED IN HERE SOME OF IT IS, SOME OF IT ISN'T, IT DEPENDS HOW WE PAY FOR IT. BUT THERE'S ALSO NO PLANNING.

OUR PLANNING IS SOLELY BASED ON CITY WILEY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHO'S PAYING FOR THOSE BUILDINGS AND THINGS NOW THE TRUCKS AND STUFF.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY, BUT. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU, CHIEF BLYTHE FOR COMING.

THANK YOU, KEVIN, FOR COMING THIS EVENING AND REPRESENTING THE BOARD AS WELL AND BEING ABLE TO SPEAK AND ANSWER QUESTIONS.

IT IS APPRECIATED. I KNOW BEEN A LONGER EVENING TO SIT BUT APPRECIATE IT.

OUR MEETINGS ARE ACTUALLY NOT ARE PRETTY LONG.

MOST OF THE TIME THEY ARE. CHIEF IS LAUGHING BECAUSE HE ALWAYS YOU ALWAYS SEEM TO BE AT THE END.

YES, I DO DRAW THAT SHORT STRAW. Y'ALL ARE BEING VERY NICE TONIGHT THOUGH. SO BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID COUNCIL, I DON'T THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF THERE IS A MOTION TO MAKE ON THE ITEM, I WOULD BE OPEN TO IT AT THIS TIME.

COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS PRESENTED.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND, COUNCILMAN? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND TO APPROVE.

COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

THAT WILL MOVE US TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026-22R.

[7. Consider, and act upon, Resolution No. 2026-22(R) authorizing the City Manager of the City of Wylie, Texas, to execute an Interlocal Agreement by and between the City of Wylie and the Collin County Emergency Service District #1 for the performance of governmental functions and services, specifically emergency medical transport services. ]

AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER OF THE CITY OF WYLIE, TEXAS, TO EXECUTE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF WYLIE AND THE COLLIN COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT. NUMBER ONE FOR THE PERFORMANCE OF GOVERNMENTAL FUNCTIONS AND SERVICES, SPECIFICALLY EMERGENCY MEDICAL TRANSPORT SERVICES.

CHIEF BLYTHE. YES, SIR. SO THIS IS FOR THE AMBULANCE SERVICE.

AND FOR YEARS, 20 PLUS YEARS, WE RAN THE SOUTHEAST.

WYLIE RAN THE SOUTHEAST COLLIN COUNTY EMS COALITION.

WHEN WE BROUGHT THAT IN-HOUSE, WE KEPT ALL OF OUR SAME PARTNERS.

ONE OF THOSE BEING COLLIN COUNTY. SO WE. THIS IS ANOTHER EXISTING CONTRACT THAT WE'VE HAD IN PLACE FOR YEARS.

HOWEVER, IT HAD NO RE-ASSIGNMENT CLAUSE IN IT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. TO, TO START A NEW ONE BECAUSE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SERVICE HAS BEEN MOVED TO THE ESD.

SO THE PRICING MODEL WE USE IS TOTAL BUDGET MINUS TRANSPORT REVENUES.

AND THEN EACH OF OUR PARTNERS, WHICH IS EVERYBODY I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, PLUS PARKER AND LAVON.

SO PARKER, LAVON, SAINT PAUL, COLLIN COUNTY INSPIRATION IS CARRIED IN OUR NUMBERS AND THE CITY OF LAVON.

AND SO THEY PAY THE PERCENTAGE OF UTILIZATION OF THE SYSTEM.

AND THEN WILEY COLLECTS ALL THE REVENUES. SO WE, WE CITY OF WILEY IS ABOUT 77.76 OF THAT CALL VOLUME.

THE ESD IS ABOUT 4.16. OF THE CALL VOLUME. THE, THE ANNUAL REVENUE TO THE CITY OF WYLIE IS 377,000. FROM ALL OF OUR FROM EACH OF OUR PARTNERS.

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AND AGAIN, WYLIE WYLIE ACCOUNTS FOR OF THE 4900 CALLS THAT HAPPEN ANNUALLY, WYLIE ACCOUNTS FOR 35, ALMOST 3600 OF THEM. SO THIS AGREEMENT WILL GO INTO WILL GO INTO EFFECT JUST LIKE IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST.

IT IS, IT IS EXACTLY LIKE IT WAS BEFORE. IT JUST SAYS THAT IT'S A COLLIN COUNTY ESD ONE INSTEAD OF COLLIN COUNTY.

SO WITH THAT I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND WE HAVE A TON OF INFORMATION IF Y'ALL WANT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, ABOUT MEDICAL BILLING OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS.

SO I THINK, I THINK WE COVERED A LOT OF A LOT OF THIS IN ITEM SIX, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S OPEN TO OTHERS.

FOR ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT EXHIBIT A FOR THE PLACES.

WE DON'T HAVE AGREEMENTS. IT'S THE POCKETS OF COUNTY AND THEN LOOKS LIKE A CHUNK.

A BIG CHUNK OF THAT IS THE FLOODPLAIN FLOODPLAIN SOUTH OF THE DAM.

DO WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH BEING ABLE. IS THAT WATER ON THE NORTH END NORTHWEST.

OH NO. STRAIGHT NORTH. ALMOST. THERE'S A LITTLE WHITE. LOOKS LIKE A PENINSULA, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LAKE.

IS. I THINK THAT'S LAKE UNDERNEATH THERE. I'M JUST MAKING SURE.

SO. SO MISS HOLLY AND I LEARNED THIS. MAYBE SHE ALREADY KNEW IT, BUT I LEARNED IT WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH SOME STUFF ON PRINCETON.

BUT A LOT OF THE PLATS STILL EXIST UNDER THE LAKE.

THE ORIGINAL PLATS. AND THIS, THE GIS DEPARTMENT USED THOSE PLOT LINES TO FOLLOW.

WHEN THEY CREATED THIS DISTRICT. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT, THAT'S WHERE THAT I WAS JUST MAKING SURE I HADN'T MISSED THAT ALL THESE YEARS LIVING HERE.

YEAH. ABOUT TWO THIRDS COMING TO US WITH A REQUEST FOR SCUBA EQUIPMENT AND UNDERWATER.

WE ALREADY HAVE THAT. WE USED IT TODAY, ACTUALLY.

SO BUT YEAH, WE, WE NOTHING REALLY CHANGES HERE FROM OUR RESPONSE AREA THAT WE'RE ALREADY PROVIDING SERVICE FOR.

OKAY. THE TOTAL CALLS FOR THIS FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA AGAIN IS ABOUT 75 TRANSPORTS PER YEAR. SO 75 AMBULANCE TRANSPORTS PER YEAR.

AND THEN AGAIN, WE, WE, IN THIS AGREEMENT, LIKE OUR OTHERS KEEP THE EMS REVENUE AS WELL.

OKAY. AND THEY ARE COLLECTING IN THIS AREA WHICH WOULD BE COLLIN COUNTY, ABOUT 6.99 CASH PER TRANSPORT. SO IF YOU REMEMBER BACK TO WHEN WE BROUGHT EMS TO YOU, OUR PROJECTIONS WERE 519 SO FAR EXCEEDING THAT ALL OF OUR PARTNERS INCLUDING WILEY, ARE FAR EXCEEDING THAT 519 PER CACHE TRANSPORT.

I FIGURED YOU WOULD, BUT WE WON'T GO DOWN INSURANCE. I'LL I'LL I'LL CHASTEN MYSELF ON THAT ONE THAT WE NEED TO STAY ON THE TOPIC THERE.

BUT GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT AND APPRECIATE THE NUMBERS THAT ARE PROVIDED HERE.

THAT HELPS A LOT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS.

THE NUMBERS AREN'T EVERYTHING, OBVIOUSLY. WE VALUE OUR PARTNERSHIPS WITH NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, THE COUNTY. AND EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY TECHNICALLY NOT BE VOTING CITIZENS WITH NEIGHBORS IS A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT IN THE COUNTY AREAS.

BUT ALSO MAKING SURE WE BALANCE THAT WITH BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SERVICES AS BUDGETS GET TIGHTER EVERY YEAR.

SO IT HELPS A LOT TO HAVE THAT THERE. SO, AND AGAIN, I BELIEVE THIS IS A ONE YEAR.

THIS ONE IS A MULTI YEAR, MULTI YEAR. YES SIR.

SO IT IS, IT IS ONE IT IS ONE. THE FIRST YEAR.

THE INITIAL YEAR FOLLOWED BY. I THINK IT'S EVERGREEN ONE YEAR AT A TIME.

RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO YEAH, SO IT'S STILL I STILL LIKE, I DON'T MIND HAVING RENEWAL OPTIONS.

IT'S JUST NICE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF ANYTHING COMES UP, SOMETIMES SILLY THINGS HAPPEN WITH LANGUAGE AND CONTRACTS TOO, RIGHT? THAT YOU DON'T FIND OUT UNTIL THERE'S A PROBLEM, THAT IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT FROM EITHER SIDE WITHOUT SAYING, WELL, YOU'RE STUCK FOR THREE YEARS, SO CALL ME BACK IN THREE YEARS TYPE OF A RESPONSE.

SO YEAH, THESE ARE SUCCESSIVE 12 MONTH TERMS UNLESS TERMINATED BY EITHER PARTY WITH A 90 DAY TERMINATION, WHICH IS WHICH IS STANDARD AND MAKES GOOD SENSE.

SO ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS I'M OPEN TO A MOTION ON THE ITEM COUNCILMAN HOOVER I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS PRESENTED. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, I'LL SECOND IT. MOTION WITH A SECOND TO APPROVE.

COUNSEL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

AND AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR COMING, SIR. THAT DOES.

WELL, THAT CONCLUDES THIS PORTION OF OUR REGULAR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

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WE DO HAVE A WORK SESSION. COUNCIL. DO WE NEED A QUICK BREAK OR CAN WE PUSH THROUGH THE WORK SESSION? OKAY. I'M GETTING I'M WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES, AND THEN WE'LL RECONVENE TO START THE WORK SESSION, AFTER WHICH WE HAVE A COUPLE OF EXECUTIVE ITEMS AND A COUPLE OF REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS REMAINING.

WITH THAT, I'LL BRING US BACK INTO SESSION. WE'RE ON OUR WORK SESSION, DISCUSS THE CONTRACTED SERVICES WITH INSPIRATION REGARDING FIRE AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL

[WS1. Discuss the contracted services with Inspiration regarding Fire and Emergency Medical Services. ]

SERVICES. CHIEF BLYTHE. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. THIS ITEM, THIS WORK SESSION IS TO DISCUSS.

WE WERE APPROACHED BY THE WATER CONTROL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, WHO IS WHO HOLDS OUR CONTRACT NOW FOR FIRE SERVICE FOR INSPIRATION.

AND THE ASK IS, WOULD WE BE WILLING TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE THE 10% ADMINISTRATIVE FEE THAT WE CHARGE FOR THAT CONTRACT? THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THAT CONTRACT, WHEN IT WAS STARTED IN 2016, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS IN LIKE 2013.

THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS SIGNED IN 16, WAS THAT RESIDENTS WITHIN INSPIRATION PAYS THE SAME AMOUNT AS A RESIDENT FOR FIRE AND EMS SERVICES, PLUS THEY PAY THAT 10% ADMINISTRATIVE FEE.

SO MR. DAWES IS HERE WITH US TONIGHT. HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF THAT BOARD, AND CHIEF RITTER'S BEEN WORKING WITH HIM AND THE COUNTY AS WELL, OR THE ESD AS WELL TO GET ALL THESE CONTRACTS DONE.

BUT THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT WOULD WE BE WILLING TO ELIMINATE THAT? AND SO THE DIRECTION I NEED FROM FROM COUNCIL IS IS THAT STILL THE ORIGINAL INTENT? THEY PAY WHAT A WILY RESIDENT PAYS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THAT CONTRACT? WE NEED TO REDO THIS CONTRACT. AND THEN OUR GOAL FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SIDE IS TO SECURE THAT LONG TERM CONTRACT AND TRY TO GET TRY TO GET THIS IN A POSITION THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND RENEGOTIATE IT EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS, WHICH HAS KIND OF BEEN THE CYCLE SINCE WE STARTED THIS.

NOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES BOTH INTERNALLY AND WITH US AND WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.

AND SO THAT THAT'S PLAYED INTO THAT EVERY TIME.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

RON MAY HAVE SOME THINGS AS WELL. THE REVENUE MODEL THAT WE'RE USING NOW TO, TO CHARGE INSPIRATION RESIDENTS IS THE, THE ASSESSED HOME VALUE. SO WE'VE HAD TO START AVERAGING THAT BECAUSE THEIR HOMEOWNERS RATE, THEIR, THEIR VALUE HAS INCREASED CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN WYLIE'S AVERAGE HOME ASSESSED VALUE.

SO WE'VE STARTED BLENDING THAT RATE. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO UPDATE IN THE CONTRACT.

TIMES THE F THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND MS PERCENTAGE OF THE TAX RATE TIMES THE NUMBER OF SERVICE CONNECTIONS.

AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT GETS US TO TOTAL REVENUE FOR THAT, FOR THAT CONTRACT.

WE DO THAT ANNUALLY. THE ADMINISTRATION FEE, JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE FOR YOU, IT'S ABOUT 85, 76 PER HOUSE AT 10% OR 100 AND RIGHT AT 172,000 TOTAL ANNUALLY FOR THIS ADMINISTRATIVE FEE.

AND AGAIN, OUR GOAL IS TO, THIS IS A 25 YEAR CONTRACT.

WE'RE A COUPLE OF YEARS INTO IT. AND SO OUR, OUR GOAL WOULD BE EXTEND THAT BACK TO 25 YEARS AND GET EVERYBODY'S INPUT ON THE CONTRACT, INCLUDING THE, THE DISTRICT ON, HEY, HOW CAN WE GET THIS CONTRACT LOCKED IN AND WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK FOR, FOR TEN YEARS OR 15 YEARS. I KNOW THERE'LL BE CHANGES.

I WOULD LOVE FOR IT NOT TO CHANGE AT ALL FOR 25 YEARS, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

WITH THE ISD FORMATION, THERE'S SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT SOME MUDS ARE DOING AND WHERE THEY'RE JUST GOING STRAIGHT WITH THE SD AND OBVIOUSLY WE, WE AS A CITY WOULD PROBABLY NOT PROVIDE THAT SERVICE AT $0.10.

WHEN THE DIRECTION HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO GET IT TO GET WHAT A CITIZEN OF WILEY PAYS.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THREATS.

I THINK ALSO AS I'VE TALKED TO YOU ALL BEFORE, I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS THE THREAT OF US GOING OUT THERE FOR FREE THROUGH OUR MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS, MEANING INSPIRATION CONTRACTS WITH SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND THEN WE GET CALLED OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE EITHER A SMALLER ENTITY OR THEY'RE OUT THERE ON A, ON A MAJOR CALL AND THEY'RE CALLING US FOR HELP.

THERE'S SOME BEEN SOME DISCUSSION WITHIN THE ESD IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE COUNTY OF PRIVATE FIRE SERVICE.

AND I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT I'VE TALKED TO COUNCIL ABOUT BEFORE IS WE DO NOT WANT TO PUSH THIS DOWN TO THE FIRST RESPONDERS THAT ARE RESPONDING TO THESE CALLS AND HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON BOUNDARIES, WHERE OUR MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE RESPONDING OUT THERE GET TO THE ENTRANCE OF, OF INSPIRATION AND SAY, WELL, IT'S NOT OURS, AND TURN AROUND AND GO HOME. WE WANT TO DO, I THINK EVERYTHING AT OUR LEVEL TO, TO, TO ELIMINATE THAT POSSIBILITY FROM EVER BECOMING REALITY.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN 2025, ABOUT 225 CALLS WITH THE MAJORITY OF THEM BEING EMS ANNUALLY.

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MOST OF THAT IS, IS IS, IS ANSWERED OUT OF FIRE STATION TWO.

THERE'S TWO UNITS RUNNING OUT OF FIRE STATION TWO.

SO, SO THAT DOES HELP OCCASIONALLY STATION FOUR WILL GET SENT OVER THERE AS WELL.

AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A FIRE OUT THERE. IT'S A FULL RESPONSE.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE TO BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

IT'S ABOUT A, ALMOST A $2 MILLION A YEAR CONTRACT.

THAT WE GET, 1.8 MILLION WITH NO ADJUSTMENTS IN FISCAL YEAR 2026.

SO IT'S DEFINITELY A REVENUE GENERATOR AND SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'VE ALL WORKED HARD TO GET IT WHERE IT'S AT TODAY.

OKAY. THE MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE BOARD PRESIDENT TO HEAR HIS THOUGHTS, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU BEFORE I ASK MY QUESTIONS.

GOOD EVENING. BOARD. MR. MAYOR, I'M RON DODGE.

I'M THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE MY DISTRICT.

WELL, WE'RE NOT CALLED THE MUD, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE ARE. AND WE TOOK OVER THE FIRE AND EMS CONTRACT FROM THE HOA ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, APPROXIMATELY. AND OVER THAT TIME, WE BUILT, I THINK WE BUILT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WORKING WITH THE CHIEF AND, AND CHIEF RITTER AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE.

WE ARE VERY HAPPY WITH THE SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDED US.

IT'S EXCELLENT. SO. AT THE MOMENT WE'RE ABOUT ROUGHLY 2000 HOMES, SO 6 OR 7000 RESIDENTS UP THERE. AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE, THE GOAL OF WE PAY THE SAME AS AS YOUR RESIDENTS PAY.

I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY FAIR. BUT WE SUPPORT WYLIE.

WE, WE SHOP HERE, WE DINE HERE, WE GO TO WYLIE EVENTS.

WE USE WYLIE SERVICE PROVIDERS PLUMBERS, ELECTRICIANS, ALL THAT.

SO WE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY CONSIDER OURSELVES AN EXTENSION OF WYLIE.

I MEAN, MOST OF OUR 80% OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE IN THE WYLIE ETJ.

NOW, AFTER THE SWAP WE'RE KIND OF A WEIRD POSITION IN THE PART OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE IN THE SD AND PART OF THEM AREN'T. BUT ALL OF THEIR, ALL OF INSPIRATION CONTRACTS WITH WITH WYLIE.

SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO STAY. THAT'S GOING TO STAY THE SAME. WE HAVE NO OTHER PLANS TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

AND SO WE'RE JUST COMING AT YOU FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF WE'D LIKE TO JUST BE CONSIDERED AN EXTENSION OF INSPIRATION IN IN FINANCIAL MATTERS AS WELL AS THE SUPPORT MATTERS.

WE SUPPORT WILEY. WE SUPPORT EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO.

MOST OF OUR KIDS GO TO WILEY SCHOOLS. ALMOST ALL OF THEM.

THEY GO TO PUBLIC SCHOOL, GO TO WILEY SCHOOLS.

AND WE JUST LIKE TO SAY JUST OUR TAX RATE IS THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT GOES TO WILEY FIRE IS LIKE $0.14. SO IT'S CONSIDERABLY HIGHER THAN THE ESD PAYS.

SO YOU'RE GETTING A LOT MORE PERCENTAGE REVENUE FROM US THAN YOU ARE FROM THE ESD.

AND I THINK THAT MORE THAN CANCELS OUT OVER OVER ALL THAT 10% BUMP IN THE IN THE SERVICE CONTRACT.

SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO I THINK, RON, YOU HEARD ME TALK EARLIER ABOUT MY THOUGHTS ABOUT RECOVERING COSTS ON SOME OF THESE CALLS.

AND I THINK CHIEF CAN TALK TO IT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS CONTRACT WAS IN FRONT OF US A YEAR AND A HALF AGO OR SO. YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE AMENDED THE CONTRACT WHEN WE'RE PLANNING ON OUR BUDGETARY THINGS.

WE'RE PLANNING FOR A SHORT AND LONG PERIOD OF TIME INVESTMENTS THAT BECOME PART OF SHORT AND LONG PERIOD OF TIMES.

AND THAT AFFECTS HOW WE BUDGET AS WELL. SO EVERY YEAR THIS CONTRACT COMES UP, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A COMMITMENT, A LONG TERM FIRM COMMITMENT WITH NO, NOT JUST 30 DAYS, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ESD OR WE'RE GOING TO GO TO OTHER FORMS OF FIRE PROTECTION, WHERE AFTER 30 DAYS, WE'RE LEFT WITH, OKAY, WE PLAN TO HAVE THESE CALLS WITHIN INSPIRATION TO BE ANSWERED BY WILDFIRE AND E AND MS BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE IN UNDER THIS GUN OF 30 DAYS AND WE'RE OUT OF IT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE DOING THIS. AND IT'S BEEN A GREAT RELATIONSHIP FROM THE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE.

AND OBVIOUSLY BEFORE THAT. THE OTHER THING IS WE HAVE BEEN A GOOD PARTNER TO INSPIRATION.

WE'RE NOT CHARGING BASED ON WHAT THE ACTUAL VALUE OF THE HOUSE IS.

WE DROP THAT DOWN TO WHAT AN AVERAGE HOME IS IN WILEY, WHICH AFFECTS THE RATE THAT YOU'RE PAYING BASED ON WHAT THE CITIZEN OF WILEY'S PAYING.

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SO IT AVERAGES DOWN THE HOME. THE THIRD THING AND THE LAST THING I GUESS THAT I'LL MENTION AS PART OF, OF, OF THIS ASK FROM US IS THAT WE'RE ALSO BEING ASKED, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED OUR INFRASTRUCTURE COST, OUR BUILDING COSTS, OUR APPARATUS COSTS, MAINTENANCE OF THE APPARATUS COST.

AND SOME OF THAT HAS NEVER BEEN FACTORED INTO THE CONTRACT ON HOW THAT MUCH HOW MUCH THERE IS.

AND I GET IT. I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO WITH A DIFFERENT FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND WE HAVE MUTUAL AID WITH THOSE FIRE DEPARTMENTS.

AND WE HAVE TO TO DO THAT IF WE CHOOSE TO, AS A CITY, TO BE ABLE TO GO ON A MUTUAL AID WITH OTHER CITIES.

BUT I DO WANT I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE A PARTNER.

I DO CONSIDER YOU GUYS PART OF WILEY. ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW. THE INSPIRATION IS DIFFERENT THAN THAN CITY OF WILEY.

SO RECOVERING SOME OF THAT COST, I WOULD ASK FOR THE UNDERSTANDING FROM THE BOARD AS WELL THAT WE PUT ON OUR CITIZENS.

AND WE'RE NOT ASKING ANYTHING MORE OR LESS THAN I THINK, WHAT WE'RE PUTTING ON OUR CITIZENS.

SO THAT'S THAT'S I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE TAX RATE THAT THAT'S USED IN THE CALCULATION IS JUST IT'S NOT YOUR OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE TAX RATE. IT INCLUDES YOUR BOND.

WE PAID THE CALCULATION PERCENTAGE IS YOUR YOUR FULL TAX RATE THAT YOU'RE CHARGING YOUR RESIDENTS ON.

SO WE'RE PAYING A CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS YOUR BOND PAYMENTS FOR ALL ALL PROJECTS.

AND WE HAVE BEEN. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST BEEN THE BASIC CALCULATION ALL ALONG.

SO I THINK WE WE ARE ALREADY HELPING DO THAT.

AND I, AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CONTINUING IT.

OKAY. IS THAT FAIR, CHIEF, THAT SOME OF THE RECOVERY SOME OF THE COSTS THAT WE HAVE ON BONDS AND WHAT NOT IS PART OF THE CALCULATIONS.

YEAH. YEAH. LET ME CLARIFY. MR. DAWES IS EXACTLY RIGHT.

EXCEPT FOR NOT ALL OF OUR DEBT PAYMENT IS PAID OUT OF OUR OPERATIONS BUDGET.

SOME OF THAT IS PAID BY FINANCE. AND SO CERTAIN LIKE, LIKE THIS YEAR, THE AIR PACKS WAS MOVED INTO OUR OPERATIONS BUDGET, WHICH WHICH REALLY BROUGHT A LOT OF OUR PARTNERS TO THE TABLE SAYING, HEY, WHY DON'T WE HAVE SUCH A HUGE INCREASE AND IT WAS MOVING THAT STUFF.

SO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THAT INVESTMENT IN THOSE IN, FOR EXAMPLE, THE AIR PACKS BECAUSE THAT WAS PAID FOR OUT OF FUND BALANCE THAT WAS IN OUR, THAT WAS CAPTURED IN OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET. HOWEVER, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE BUY OR BOUGHT OUT OF DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS, THE QUINTS WERE BOUGHT OUT OF THE THE IMPROVEMENT ACCOUNT THAT WE SET UP AFTER COVID.

THOSE THINGS ARE NOT, ARE NOT CAPTURED IN THAT, IN THAT TAX RATE, OKAY.

BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PAID FOR OUT OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GENERAL FUND. THEY'RE ADDRESSED BY FINANCE. UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU. BUT BUT BUT WHAT MR. DAUL SAYING. CORRECT.

IF IT'S IN THERE, THEY'RE PAYING IF IT'S IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET.

SO THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION. WHEN IS THE REQUEST FOR THIS TO TO GO INTO EFFECT.

BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE JUST WENT THROUGH A BUDGET CYCLE MAKING $75,000 CHANGE TO A BUDGET THAT WE HAD ZERO WIGGLE ROOM THIS YEAR TO THE POINT THE CHIEF MADE.

WHEN. WHEN IS THE LOOK? IS THIS FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR? IS THIS TRYING TO CHANGE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR? WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE REQUEST? AND THAT THAT MIGHT BE FOR FOR YOU, SIR.

WELL, OUR CONTRACT BEGINS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR, JUST LIKE YOU KNOW YOURS DOES.

AND SO WE'RE YEAH, WE'RE REQUESTING IT FOR THIS YEAR.

WE HAVEN'T MADE WE HAVEN'T BEEN PRESENTED WITH AN INVOICE YET BASED ON THE CALCULATION BECAUSE THIS ITEM IS THIS IS STILL PENDING BASED ON YOUR DECISION.

SO IT WOULD EITHER BE INCLUDED IN THIS PAYMENT OR OR NOT.

I DON'T IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. THE AMOUNT OF THE CONTRACT I ASKED WAS GOING TO SAY SO. SO THE WIGGLE ROOM WE PROBABLY HAVE IN THIS ACCOUNT IS WE DO THESE PROJECTIONS IN MARCH AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOUSES THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD.

SO I WOULD SAY, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THIS CONTRACT EXCEEDS OUR REVENUE, OUR REVENUE PROJECTIONS.

GENERALLY EVERY YEAR IT EXCEEDS ITS BECAUSE OF THE NEW BUILDS THAT ARE STILL, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SLOWED DOWN.

NOT REALLY. I MEAN, WHEN WE, WHEN WE TOOK IT OVER, WE TOOK IT OVER MID CONTRACT YEAR AND IT WAS LIKE ABOUT 1.3 MILLION THEN, AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR WAS 1.6 AND THIS IS 1.75 OR WHATEVER, PLUS THE 10% 1.9 IF IT'S STILL THERE.

SO IT IS BASED ON IT GOES UP EVERY YEAR BASED ON THE NUMBER OF HOUSES.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE ROUGHLY 2000 AND WE'RE GOING TO PLATEAU AT 2172.

AND IT'S GOING LIKE 12 HOUSES A MONTH, 15 HOUSES A MONTH.

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SO WE'RE STILL A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS OUT FROM PLATEAUING.

YEAH. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS THANK YOU, MAYOR. HAD A FEW QUESTIONS.

ONE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THOSE MIGHT BE INCLUDED. CAN YOU REVIEW OR HIGHLIGHT THE ONES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT? I KNOW YOU SAID THE QUINCE. I THINK ANYTHING THAT'S PAID FOR WITH PEFKOS THAT'S PAID FOR WITH THE CITY AND ISSUING KOS OR BONDS THOSE ARE NOT CAPTURED IN OUR BUDGET BECAUSE WE DON'T PAY FOR THOSE NECESSARILY OUT OF THE THE CITY PAYS FOR THEM FOR IS NOT CAPTURED.

NO, THAT, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS ITS OWN PROJECT.

HOW MUCH WAS THAT AND HAD ITS OWN THE THE CONSTRUCTION COST WAS 6.5 MILLION TOTAL.

I MEAN THE PERSONNEL. SO AGAIN THE PERSONNEL ARE CAPTURED.

THE EQUIPMENT. SOME OF THE F AND E WAS CAPTURED.

RIGHT. BUT NOT TOTAL. NOT TOTAL. THE QUINT WAS BOUGHT OUT OF THAT.

THE ENGINEERING, THE ARCHITECT. AND THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS WERE PAID FOR OUT OF A DIFFERENT ACCOUNT.

YEAH. HOW ABOUT ALL OF THE SETUP AND EVERYTHING FOR THE AMBULANCE AND EMS? THE DIFFERENT ONES THAT WE ORDERED OR THOSE CALCULATED IN EM.

EMS IS CALCULATED IN. AGAIN, IF IT'S PAID FOR LIKE THIS YEAR.

YES, THE AMBULANCE WAS PURCHASED THIS YEAR WAS PUT IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET.

HOWEVER, THE ONE LAST YEAR WAS PAID WITH PCO.

SO IT'S IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON, ON HOW WE PAID FOR IT AND ISSUE THE DEBT OR OR MADE THE.

IS IT FAIR TO SAY, THOUGH, THAT IF WE'RE ISSUING DEBT, IT'S NOT BEING INCLUDED.

IT'S ONLY INCLUDED IF WE'RE USING FUND BALANCE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE IS THAT GENERALLY THE STATEMENT THAT I'M CATCHING? RON. WOULD THAT BE A CORRECT STATEMENT? YES. OKAY.

SO YEAH, SO THERE'S A LOT THAT'S NOT CAPTURED THAT'S NOT TIED TO EQUALING THE SAME THING THAT A CITIZEN PAYS THIS YEAR.

YEAH. UNTIL, UNTIL LIKE, LIKE THE AIR PACKS WERE, WERE PLACED IN OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR.

SO THEY'RE THERE. AND THAT'S ONE THING. BUT I MY POINT IS TO SAY JUST MORE THAN ANYTHING, RIGHT, WANTING THE THOSE THAT ARE IN INSPIRATION AND THAT YOU REPRESENT NOT TO FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN SHORTED BECAUSE THEY'VE NOT.

BUT I HEAR THAT. HEY, Y'ALL, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN ON BOTH SIDES IN DIFFERENT WAYS AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

THE, THE OTHER THING ABOUT THAT TOO, AND SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT I THINK, I THINK IF WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT, WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT A, THE PERCENTAGE OF UTILIZATION LIKE WE DO FOR THE AMBULANCE SERVICE, BECAUSE INSPIRATION IS GOING TO BE A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF OUR OVERALL USAGE, THEIR CALLS AND EVERYTHING.

YEAH. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING 200 CALLS A YEAR.

YEAH. VERSUS OUR 7500. SO I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T PLAY A FACTOR AND THAT WE HAVEN'T ISSUED A LOT OF DEBT FOR, FOR, AND THAT IT CAN'T CHANGE FIRE SERVICE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY A FAIRLY SMALL PERCENTAGE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WOULD GET ADDED TO IT.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OR LET ME SAY IT THIS WAY, WHO DOES THE BILLING AND THE COLLECTIONS? CHIEF RITTER OKAY. HOW IS AND MR..

AND. MR.. WELL, AND SOME OF THAT, MY ASSUMPTION WAS THAT THAT 10% IS TO HELP ACCOUNT FOR WHAT HAS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE WITH WILEY RESIDENTS. AND THAT IS BILLING COLLECTIONS, KEEP UP THAT KIND OF STUFF AS WELL.

YEP. YEAH. JUST ONE CHECK FROM US. YEAH. IT'S IT'S THE, I'M SORRY, THE EXPLANATION OF CONSISTENTLY PROVIDED MR. DAHL'S IT'S THE UNCAPTURED COST IN OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET.

IT'S CITY HALL STAFF. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW.

THERE'S A LOT OF STAFF. YEAH. STAFF TIME. IT'S IT'S HR, IT'S ALL THE STUFF THAT'S NOT CAPTURED IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR IN THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET TO COMPENSATE FOR THAT. YEAH. AND THAT'S THE GENERAL.

IT'S THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT. 2016 WAS A 15% ADMINISTRATIVE CHARGE.

AND THEN WE LOWERED IT TO TEN. AND THE 2021 REVISION BECAUSE THAT WAS CONSISTENT CITYWIDE THAT ANY EXTERNAL SERVICE.

SO WE THE CITY COUNCIL. IS THAT STILL CONSISTENT? YES. THAT'S THE ONLY CONTRACT. IF WE REMOVED IT, THIS IS THE ONLY CONTRACT.

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SAINT PAUL, WHICH WHICH WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT BRIEFLY IN JUST A SECOND. BUT I THINK THE THING WE, WE HAVEN'T, THAT PROBABLY WASN'T ACCOUNTED FOR EARLY ON IS HOW MUCH MORE THEIR PROPERTY VALUES WOULD INCREASE VERSUS WYLIE'S.

I MEAN, OURS IS FOUR, OURS IS 430. AND THERE'S THIS.

573. AND SO WHEN WE'RE USING A PERCENTAGE OF TAX RATE IT.

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IT GOES UP INCREMENTALLY FASTER THAN THAN OURS DOES, WHICH IS WHY WE BLENDED THAT RATE, BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE INTENT OF THE COUNCIL BACK THEN WAS THEY NEED TO PAY.

THEY NEED TO PAY WHAT WHAT? I THINK IT ALL PROBABLY GOES TO THE DEVELOPER, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER IS ABLE TO DO A LOT MORE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAN ANY OTHER DEVELOPER COULD DO, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE A BUNCH OF OTHER COSTS.

SURE. BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. THANK YOU.

I THINK, I THINK MY, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE THE RESIDENTS AND INSPIRATION ARE COMING FROM.

I KIND OF, I KIND OF SEE THAT THERE HAS TO BE A COMPROMISE BOTH DIRECTIONS.

BECAUSE IF IF WE IF I LOOK AT A CITIZEN WHO BUYS A NEW HOUSE OFF OF COUNTRY CLUB ROAD, JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM YOU, ALL THOSE HOUSES ARE BEING PRICED ANYWHERE FROM 700,000 TO $1 MILLION.

THEY'RE GOING TO THEN PAY THE TAX RATE FOR FIRE.

BUT I GET IT. BUT THAT MAY NOT BRING OUR AVERAGE UP BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME VERY DIFFERENT ECONOMIC AREAS.

WHEREAS Y'ALL Y'ALL'S AREA IS A NICE, VERY NICE DEVELOPMENT, VERY SOUGHT AFTER.

AND SO YOUR VALUES, THE THE WATER PUSHES ALL THE BOATS UP SIGNIFICANTLY THERE.

AND WE'RE BLENDING THAT DOWN FOR THE HOMEOWNERS THERE.

IF THEY LIVED IN CITY LIMITS, THEN WHEN IT WENT UP, THEY WOULD GO UP.

WHEREAS AND SO WE'RE BLENDING THAT DOWN TO LOWER SOME OF THE COSTS THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S, THERE'S FEWER THINGS THAT WE MAY HAVE TO DO ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE, BUT IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO DO THAT KIND OF A CHANGE WHEN WE'RE ALREADY WORKING WITH YOU GUYS ON THE VALUE.

SO IF SOMEONE'S HOME, THEY'RE GETTING A BREAK.

WHAT, WHAT WERE THE AVERAGE, WHAT DO YOU KNOW, WHAT THE BLENDED RATE WAS THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO THEM? SORRY. NO. YOU'RE GOOD. IT'S 502083. AND WHAT WAS THEIR AVERAGE? THEIR AVERAGE IS 573792. SO IT'S, IT'S GREATER THAN A 10% REDUCTION THAT WE'RE PROVIDING WITH THAT.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT SIR. BUT AS I, AS I SAID BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ALLOCATE YOUR CAPITAL, IF IT GOES INTO THINGS OTHER THAN THE GENERAL COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND AND THE BOND DEBTS.

YEAH. IF YOU HAVE SPECIAL FUNDS OR NOT, I WE'RE NOT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THOSE, BUT THE TAX RATE USED IN OUR CALCULATION IS YOUR FULL GENERAL FUND TAX RATE.

IT'S NOT THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE. IT INCLUDES THE BOND PORTION OF THAT ALSO.

SO WE'RE WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT PART OF IT ALSO AND HAVE BEEN ALL ALONG.

SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE TO ME, THAT'S KIND OF A BALANCING PERSPECTIVE OF THE CONCESSIONS YOU'VE MADE.

AND WE APPRECIATE THOSE. BUT BUT WE'RE STILL CONTRIBUTING TO SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, THE BONDS FOR STREETS OR WHATEVER LIKE THAT, YOU'RE PAYING OFF.

WE'RE PAYING PART OF THAT ALSO. SO THAT'S OUR PERSPECTIVE OF IT.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE STATING THAT.

AND WHAT I'M HEARING FROM OUR FROM OUR SIDE OVER HERE IS THAT, THAT IT'S ONLY IF THOSE ARE PAID OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND AND THAT THE SPECIAL INTEREST IN SINKING IS NOT BEING APPLIED. SO WE BALANCED.

THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO.

I VERY HELPFUL. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO YEAH. WE THE, THE, THE, WE MULTIPLY THE CITY'S TAX RATE TIMES THE AVERAGE. AND THAT GIVES US A BUT WHERE ARE WE GETTING THE CITY'S TAX.

GO AHEAD. THE FULL RATE THE $0.58. OKAY. SO YOU ARE USING THE FULL RATE FOR 58 TO DETERMINE THE INITIAL BALANCE.

AND THEN THEIR PERCENT OF THAT PAY. WHERE'S MY THE INSPIRATION.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING CONFUSION. YEAH.

AND THEN I'LL GO DOWN THE FORMULA WITH YOU HERE.

I DIDN'T PUT THIS BOOK TOGETHER. YOU'RE ALL RIGHT.

AS I SAID, WE TAKE OUR. WE TAKE OUR TIME AND TRY TO.

TRY TO LISTEN. YEAH. COME ON. THIS GUY BACK HERE, THE ONE YOU GAVE ME. LATER. THERE IT IS.

YEAH. YEAH. SO I TAKE THE TAX RATE OF. AND THAT NEXT YEAR IS $0.59.

SO THERE'S TWO THINGS AT PLAY HERE. THE TAX RATE.

AS I EXPLAINED TO MR. DOSS, THE TAX RATE WENT UP AND ALL THE CAPITAL THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY NOT CARRIED IN OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGETS WAS MOVED TO OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGETS TO FOR THE ONE TIME PURCHASES. SO THAT'S THE STICKER SHOCK THAT HE GOT THIS YEAR WHEN HE SAW THE NEW RATES.

SO WE TAKE THAT 59. THAT GIVES ME A GENERAL. I FORGET THAT, RIGHT? THEN WE MULTIPLY THAT TIMES THE GENERAL FUND, FIRE AND EMS DEPARTMENTS BUDGETS, WHICH WERE 28% OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET,

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28.63. THAT GIVES ME A COST PER HOUSEHOLD. MULTIPLY THAT TIMES THE NUMBER, WHICH IS ABOUT FOR HIS FULL COST ESTIMATE THIS YEAR IT'S 8.57 A HOUSE. AND THEN THEN WE APPLY THE 10% THAT MOVES IT UP TO 9.43.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE DIFFERENCE OCCURS BETWEEN A WILEY RESIDENT THAT THAT HE INQUIRED ABOUT.

HEY, IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD LOSE THAT? THAT BRINGS US CLOSER IN LINE.

SO I DIDN'T SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T A HARD I TOLD HIM FROM DAY ONE, IT'S A COUNCIL DECISION.

I CAN'T MAKE THAT FOR YOU. SO. 94328 TIMES THE NUMBER 94328 PER HOUSE TIMES 2005 REPORTED HOUSES. AND THAT TAKES THEM TO 1.89 MILLION.

LAST YEAR THEY PAID 1.5 MILLION. SO THAT WAS THE BIG SHIFT.

IS ALL THE CAPITAL GETTING MOVED TO GENERAL FUND? AND IT HIT ACROSS THE BOARD IN BOTH THE MS CONTRACTS AND THE THERE WAS A LOT OF THAT.

SO WHEN WE'RE BACK AND LOOKED, I MEAN, IF WE REMOVE THE TOTAL FEE OR THE SERVICE FEE, IT'S 171,000 REDUCTION THAT IT STILL EXCEEDS MY BUDGET. PROJECTED REVENUES FOR THIS YEAR IN FIRE PROTECTION SERVICES.

AND THEN, AND THEN ANOTHER OPTION MAY BE THE FIVE TO A 5% INSTEAD OF A 0%.

AND THAT REDUCES IT 85,000 OR HALF OF THAT 171.

SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST KIND OF WORK WITH MR. DAWES, TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, LIKE HE SAID, AND SAY, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, WHICH WE APPRECIATE. IT'S JUST A REQUEST THAT, HEY, WE'LL RUN IT UP TO COUNCIL AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.

AND WE ARE DUE TO REDO THAT CONTRACT THROUGH MINOR NEGOTIATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD VERY MINOR CHANGES, BUT THE BLENDED RATE NEEDS TO GO IN THERE. AND THEN HE ASKED TO BE QUARTERLY PAYMENTS.

RIGHT. IS THAT WHERE WE'RE GOING? YEAH. IT WAS ORIGINALLY BIANNUAL QUARTERLY.

WE DON'T QUARTERLY THEN BIANNUALLY. NOW WE'RE BACK.

NOW WE'RE BACK TO QUARTERLY. SO JUST GETTING ALL THAT CLEANED UP AND I'M I'M PREPARED.

THAT'S IN DRAFT WAITING ON DIRECTION TONIGHT.

AND WE'RE READY TO FIRE THAT CONTRACT UP. THE MAYOR PRO TEM I MIGHT BE STEALING HIS QUESTION OR COMMENT.

WHAT TIME OF WHAT TYPE OF A TERM ARE WE TALKING ABOUT.

BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IN 21.

WE WERE HAVING IT IN. 16. EVERY TIME WE'VE RENEGOTIATED IT, WE TOOK IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TERM OF 25 YEARS BECAUSE WE DON'T HIRE SOMEBODY FOR FIVE YEARS, AS YOU MENTIONED, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE RENEGOTIATED ON A REGULAR BASIS, IS WHAT I'M NOT EVERY 25 YEAR NEGOTIATED.

BUT AS PART OF THAT NEGOTIATION IS I PUSH IT BACK TO.

THAT'S MY SIDE OF THE BARGAIN ON THAT THING IS, IF IN ORDER TO DO THIS, WE WANT MORE TIME OUT OF THAT CONTRACT OR OTHER LANGUAGE SUCH AS RATE LOCKS OR TERM LOCKS ON THAT CONTRACT, THAT IT'S NOT TOUCHABLE FOR A CERTAIN TIME.

SO THOSE ARE NEGOTIATION POINTS IN THE CONTRACT THAT WE CAN DO WITH Y'ALL'S DIRECTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT GENERALLY IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, ESPECIALLY WITH THE 21 CONTRACT, BECAUSE WE'RE PRETTY FAR INTO THAT FIVE YEARS OR SO, SIX YEARS. I SAID, LISTEN, I'M WILLING TO DO ALL THIS WORK, BUT YOU GOT TO PUT, WE GOT TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TERM AND START ALL OVER.

AND THEY WERE AGREEABLE TO THAT MADE SENSE. SO WHAT IS THE NOTIFICATION PERIOD IF THEY WISH TO LEAVE THE CONTRACT 90 DAYS IT'S THIS.

YEAH. BECAUSE IS THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE MAYOR PRO TEM AND IS GETTING TO AND MYSELF IS IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE TERMS IN TWO YEARS AND AND THERE'S NO PENALTY TO IT, THERE'S NO PENALTY. THEY THAT I'M AWARE OF, THEY CAN TURN AROUND AND SAY, WELL, IF YOU DON'T DO IT, I'LL GIVE SAINT PAUL IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THIS. AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU ALL HAVE DONE THAT. IF AGAIN, THOSE ARE ALL NEGOTIABLE. I MEAN, I MEAN, MY THOUGHT IS WHY PUT A 25 YEAR CONTRACT FOR WHAT PURPOSES THERE IS IF WITHIN 90 DAYS, YOU KNOW, ONE PARTY OR THE OTHER CAN MOVE OUT.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE IF WE'RE GOING TO INVEST THIS TIME AND EFFORT EVERY YEAR OR TWO, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE'RE SECURED BY.

WE'RE DONE. NOT A THREAT OF SD OR OTHER DEPARTMENTS COMING IN AND WANTING TO RENEGOTIATE.

THIS IS A SERVICE THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE HAPPILY WORK WITH.

I THINK THE BOARD TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE IT FOR THEM.

AGAIN, I CONSIDER INSPIRATION PART OF THE CITIZENS CITYWIDE, AND I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT THIS 10%.

BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A COMMITMENT OR SOME SORT OF A PENALTY.

IF YOU DECIDE THAT IN 30 DAYS OR 90 DAYS, YOU DECIDE TO WANT TO GO OUT IN SOME WAY, THAT TIES US AT THE HIP MOVING FORWARD AS BEING PART OF THE CITY CITIZENS AS. BECAUSE I CAN'T LEAVE WILEY AND I CAN'T SAY I'M LEAVING WILEY BECAUSE I WANT TO GO WITH SAINT PAUL, OR I WANT TO GO WITH LUCAS OR WHATEVER FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TO DO. AND SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS RATE,

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WHICH WHAT I WOULD DO PERSONALLY. MAYOR. AND I'LL GIVE YOU MY OPINION.

GO AHEAD. I WOULD DROP IT AT FIVE. 5%. OR IF YOU WANT A DROP IT AT 0%, BUT DO IT PER HOUSE BASE TO RECOVER ALL THE COSTS THAT EVERY CITIZEN BASED ON THE BONDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE OUT. I'M HAPPY WITH IT, BUT I GOT TO HAVE A MULTI-YEAR COMMITMENT AND THAT'S NOT ONE YEAR OR TWO.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LONG TERM BECAUSE I CAN'T BUILD A FIRE DEPARTMENT IN A 1 OR 2 YEAR OR 30 DAY COMMITMENT.

FIRE DEPARTMENT IS 15, 20, 30 YEAR COMMITMENT.

AND SO I GOT TO HAVE THAT COMMITMENT. I GOT TO KNOW THAT THIS REVENUE IS COMING TO US.

NOW AGAIN, I GET THE THOUGHT OF THEY MAY WANT TO GO TO ISD OR THEY MAY.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE SERVICES FROM FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND WYLIE EMS SERVICES BECAUSE.

OR THE ISO RATE. OR WE MAY PULL OUT OF THE. WE MAY PULL OUT OF THE MUTUAL AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE OTHER CITIES TO.

IF WE SEE THAT THAT'S BEING MISUSED BY OTHER CITIES TO GAIN A CONTRACT OR TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS NOT A THREAT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

I'M PUTTING IT ALL OUT THERE BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE STANDING FROM OUR STANDPOINT.

WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, GOOD NEIGHBORS.

YOU. I WANT I HEAR FROM YOU ALL THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS WITH US.

I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE TIED AT THE HIP.

WHEN THEY DO PROJECTIONS, THEY GOT TO KNOW THAT THIS 1.2, 1.3, $1.5 MILLION, IT TAKES STAFF, IT TAKES PREPARATION, IT TAKES BUILDINGS, IT TAKES APPARATUS, IT TAKES DIFFERENT THINGS TO BE ABLE TO SERVICE ALL THESE.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT WITH IT. MAYOR.

SO I JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. FAIR. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU MAYOR. SORRY. GO AHEAD. I APPRECIATE THAT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND AND WE YOU GOT TO LOOK LOOK AT IT FROM OUR SIDE.

WE SEE THAT THAT WILEY IS CONTRACTING WITH THE ESD BASED ON A CALL RATE CALL RATE.

I SAINT PAUL PROBABLY THE SAME THING. I'VE SEEN CONTRACTS FOR OTHER THINGS ON CALL RATE.

AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT, BUT WE'VE BEEN STICKING WITH THIS BECAUSE WE GET GOOD SERVICE.

WE WANT THE QUALITY SERVICE. WE DON'T WANT TO BE FARTHER DOWN THE LINE.

SO I'M, I'M TOTALLY ON BOARD WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

IT'S JUST IT'S KIND OF FRUSTRATING TO SOME PEOPLE WHEN THEY SAY, WELL, ESD, YOU'RE DOING IT ON A CALL RATE AND IT'S GOING TO COST THEM A LOT LESS PER CALL THAN INSPIRATION IS PAYING FOR. AND WE'RE FINE WITH THAT ON.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE FINE. WE'RE PAYING THE SAME AS WILEY RESIDENT DOES.

AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON LET'S GET A MULTIYEAR DEAL, AND WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S 20. I CAN'T SAY 25 YEARS OR 20 OR 5.

BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN FOR DISCUSSION ON THAT.

ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK YOU HEARD ME. I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF.

SPEAK TO THE ISD BOARD PRESIDENT TONIGHT ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS, TIMES WHERE OTHER CITIES USE WIRELESS SERVICES AND DON'T CONTRIBUTE THE EQUAL AMOUNT TO WHAT THE CITIZEN IS DONE ARE COME AND GONE.

AND THAT IS BECAUSE OUR CITIZENS IS BEARING THE MOST OF THE BACKING OF WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO DO.

AND I REPRESENT THE CITIZENS OF WILEY, AND I HAVE TO DO IT'S MY FIDUCIARY DUTY TO DO THE BEST THING FOR THEM.

I CONSIDER INSPIRATION AS PART OF WILEY, AND I DO WANT INSPIRATION TO BE PART OF WILEY ISD DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT'S PART OF WYLIE FOR NOW. WE'RE BEING GOOD NEIGHBORLY, AND WE'RE ALLOWING THAT BOARD TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN THE NEXT.

YOU HEARD ME SAY TO THEM ABOUT GIVING MONEY BACK TO MUDS AND DEVELOPERS AND ALL THAT, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S YOUR DEVELOPMENT, BY THE WAY. I THINK THERE'S OTHERS THAT ARE UP AND COMING.

SO I THINK THAT'S TO BE RELOOKED AT BY US. AND, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE HEARD IT FROM ME AND OTHERS HAVE HEARD IT FROM ME THAT THE TIMES WERE WE'VE BEEN. THE ONE THING THAT I WILL NEVER DO IS PUT OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN A.

THEY HAVE TAKEN AN OATH TO SERVE THE PEOPLE IN NEED OF THEIR SERVICES.

I WILL NOT PUT THEM IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE HALFWAY THROUGH TO HELP SOMEBODY AND THEN PULL THEM OUT.

WE'RE HAVING AN AGREEMENT WITH THE WITH THEM FOR NOW.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN THERE IS GOING TO CONTINUE.

IF THINGS DON'T EQUAL OUT ANYBODY THAT THINKS THAT THEY CAN JUST FORM A FIRE DEPARTMENT.

MS IS COSTING OUR CITIZENS. WHEN WE INITIALLY PUT IN OVER 3 MILLION, $3.5 MILLION WHEN WE BROUGHT EMS SERVICES HERE.

WHY? BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE A MILLISECOND CHANGES PEOPLE'S LIFE.

AND THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT THAT SERVICE HERE. AND IF THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN DO IT IN OTHER CITIES, MORE POWER TO THEM. I HAVE NO PROBLEM. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M GIVING ALL THE TOOLS NECESSARY TO OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BASED ON THAT.

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AND THE BURDEN DOESN'T FALL INTO SQUARELY INTO OUR CITIZENS.

SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. I, I DO AGAIN, MY PREFERENCE IS BETWEEN YOU AND CHIEF RITTER TO COME UP WITH A PROGRAM THAT'S GOING TO WORK FOR ALL OF US TOGETHER.

I'M OPEN TO IT. WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND HOWEVER, I WANT TO BE FAIR TO YOU ALL.

I WANT TO BE FAIR TO OUR CITIZENS, AND I WANT TO WANT OUR TEAM TO PROVIDE THE BEST SERVICES POSSIBLE FOR INSPIRATION.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. AND I'M WE'RE JUST COMING AT IT FROM WE'RE TOTALLY ON BOARD WITH PAYING OUR EQUAL SHARE COMPARED TO A WILY CITIZEN. I JUST DON'T THINK WE JUST DON'T THINK THAT AN EXTRA 10% BUMP, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE A COUPLE OF MILES OUTSIDE THE LIMIT IS ALL THAT BIG A DEAL. FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, IT IS FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE ON A PER HOUSE BASIS.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING. SO I CAN I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR PERSPECTIVE AS A BUSINESS OWNER.

I CAN TELL YOU THE 10% IS A MINIMAL NUMBER FOR WHAT IT REALLY TAKES TO HANDLE THINGS OUTSIDE YOUR NORM, BE IT THE BILLING, THE MEETING WE'RE HAVING NOW, THE OTHER CONTRACTS.

JUST THE WHOLE BUCKET. AT THE END OF THE DAY, MY PERCEPTION AGAIN, ONLY MY PERCEPTION HERE IS THAT IT BOILS DOWN TO THE ISO RATING THAT WAS NEEDED WHEN PEOPLE CAME IN AND THEY BUILDERS WENT TO GO SELL AND THEY COULDN'T GET INSURANCE BECAUSE THE BUILDER SKIRTED THE TOWN, SKIRTED ALL OF DEVELOPER, NOT BUILDER SKIRTED ALL THE RESPONSIBILITY OF HAVING THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE TO SUPPORT THAT SIZE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THAT'S WHERE THIS PARTNERSHIP WAS BORN. AND I THINK IT'S BEEN BEAUTIFUL AND IT WORKS.

AND I THINK IT WORKS, YOU KNOW, BETTER SOMETIMES ONE SIDE MAYBE BETTER, SOMETIMES ANOTHER SIDE.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE NEIGHBORS AND WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WILY.

SO I THINK THAT WORKS. AND I THINK IN THE GIVE AND TAKE, IF THE 10% WAS GOING TO BE CHANGED, WHAT I WOULD WANT TO SEE MIGHT COMPLICATE THINGS.

I WOULD WANT TO SEE, OKAY, WELL, IF WE TAKE IT DOWN TO 5%, THEN WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR COMMITMENT WITH A 15% PENALTY PER YEAR FOR EVERY YEAR THAT THAT 10% WASN'T PAID, OR WE DO A 10% DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, TEN YEAR DOWN TO 0%, BUT IT'S A 15% PENALTY FOR EVERY YEAR THAT IT WASN'T PAID.

IF Y'ALL IF Y'ALL PULL OUT SOMETHING THAT THAT GIVES US THE UNDERSTANDING AS OUR CHIEF MAKES ALL THE PLANS AND COMES BEFORE US AND COUNCIL MEETINGS WITH THE POSSIBILITIES OF THINGS ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN, THINGS ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN AND THE EXTENDED DISTRICT OUTSIDE OF US. AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE APPLIES.

AND IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN BIG NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT AT OUR DOORSTEP.

AND SO I THINK WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE DID A YEAR AGO IS FAIR MORE THAN FAIR.

AND I THINK IT'S FAIR ON BOTH SIDES, BUT IF WE WERE GOING TO CHANGE IT AND THAT MAKES Y'ALL FEEL BETTER, THEN I WOULD WANT SOMETHING THAT ALSO MAKES IT BETTER FOR OUR CITY STAFF THAT WE WON'T BE DOING THIS AGAIN FOR ALL OF US AND EVERYONE INVOLVED TO REDO THE CONTRACT. AND WE GO BECAUSE WE ARE. I DON'T THINK WE'VE TRIED TO COME AT YOU ALL WITH ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE STARTED, OTHER THAN DIFFERENT CALCULATIONS, BECAUSE THINGS COST MORE AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S BASED ON.

SO I DON'T THINK WE'VE COME TO YOU AND SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO TAKE THE 10 TO 20 BECAUSE OF X, Y, Z. I THINK WE'RE STILL IN THE SAME CONTRACT THAT WE'VE BEEN IN.

AND THAT'S MY THOUGHT. SO I'LL LEAVE THAT THERE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M CONVICTED BY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN STRING. OH. THANK YOU. A LOT OF DISCUSSION.

WHAT'S THE ASK IN TERMS OF DOLLAR AMOUNTS HERE? I HEARD 10% A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF. SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S THE MONEY THAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO FOREGO? $171,948. AND WHAT'S THE TOTAL THAT THEY'RE PAYING? I'M SORRY. HOW MUCH ARE THEY PAYING US ON A YEARLY BASIS? 1.8 MILLION WITH THAT INCLUDED. SO 1.6 ISH. OKAY, I.

DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THE ONE HAND.

I'M NOT SURE I'M AMENABLE TO GIVING IT ALL, BUT I DO FIND WE COULD FIND A PLACE TO MEET SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDST OF THIS PROTECT US THINGS FOR EVERYONE, LIKE GENE OR. SORRY, THE MAYOR PRO TEM WAS MENTIONING.

I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT FIGURE IS. AND IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE SOMEHOW WE'VE GOT TO FIND SOMEWHERE TO KIND OF COMPROMISE.

AND THAT AIN'T HAPPENING. AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE WORLD PEACE. YEAH.

AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THAT TONIGHT. WE'RE ASKING FOR DIRECTION ON REALLY.

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DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? CONTRACT LOCK. I'VE HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE AMICABLE TO REDUCING IT TO ZERO, 5 OR 10, MAYBE DEPENDING ON LONGER TERM CONTRACTS.

THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS WE'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT. AND WE'LL WE'LL REWORK THAT CONTRACT.

RUN IT THROUGH MISS ALI AND THEN MAKE SURE WE'RE GOOD WITH THE CITY MANAGEMENT SIDE AND THEN BRING IT BACK.

OBVIOUSLY WORKING WITH WITH THE BOARD AS WELL.

OKAY. NO, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. ONE THING THAT DID COME TO MIND THOUGH, AND I THINK LIKE IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT IS IF YOU HAVE A 25 YEAR CONTRACT, BUT YOU'RE CONSTANTLY KIND OF BACK AND RENEGOTIATING AND WELL, SOMETHING ISN'T THAT GREAT WITH THE CONTRACT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I DON'T SEE FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES DOING THAT, BUT I DO SEE THAT MAYBE WE COULD DO SOMETHING WITH A LONG TERM MSA WHERE SOME OF THE TERMS ARE NEGOTIATED THROUGH AN AMENDMENT. MAYBE TRY NOT TO MEMORIALIZE TOO MUCH THE 25 YEAR THAT CAUSES US TO HAVE TO RE SWIZZLE THE WHOLE THING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT YEAH, OTHERWISE I, I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT WE COULD SUPPORT INSPIRATION.

I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP. IT SPRAWLS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

IT BASICALLY LOOKS LIKE IT'S COMPLETELY BUILT OUT AT THIS POINT.

YEAH. YEAH. IT'S GETTING CLOSE FOR SURE. SO WE'RE BASICALLY.

SO WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS NOW THAT WE'VE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE IN FOR.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THEM BEING ABLE TO THROW IN, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND MORE HOMES UNLESS THEY BUILD THEM ON THE LAKE, WHICH ISN'T HAPPENING.

AND IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE, YEAH, WE JUST, I THINK WE CAN FIND A WAY TO GET OUR ARMS AROUND THIS TO SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO WORK FOR EVERYBODY.

OKAY. YEAH. I THINK THEY GOT SCUBA GEAR. IT'S ATLANTIS OR AQUAMAN OR WHATEVER.

SURE. I THINK THERE IS SOME OPPORTUNITY, SOME LAND TO OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND.

AND I'M SURE THE DEVELOPERS WILL FIND OTHER PLOTS.

THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPER THAT'S IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE TERRITORY AT THE, AT OSAGE IN SOUTHVIEW, THE HORSE RANCH, THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPER LOOKING TO DEVELOP THAT TOTALLY DIFFERENT DEVELOPER THAN HUFFINES.

AND THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD COME INTO INSPIRATION OR NOT.

AND THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS GOING ON WITH RESPECT TO THAT.

IT'S 120 HOMES. IT'S NOT A THOUSAND. YEAH. IT'S IT'S FIVE 4.5% INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF HOMES AND INSPIRATION.

I JUST THOUGHT THE LOTS UNDER THE WATER MIGHT BE INSPIRATIONAL. WELL, WE COULD CERTAINLY COUNT THOSE.

I MEAN, IT'S IT'S ON THE TAX ROLLS RIGHT. OKAY.

NO, THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS. I'M SURE WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK IT OUT.

THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCILMAN PICKENS. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME WHEN YOU CAME UP.

RON DOSS. THANK YOU. HOW MANY HOMES ARE IN INSPIRATION RIGHT NOW? YOU MAY HAVE SAID THAT, AND I DIDN'T CATCH IT.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S ABOUT A LITTLE UNDER 2000 OCCUPIED.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ONE'S BEING BUILT. AND WHEN THE ORIGINAL INSPIRATION TOPS OUT, IT'LL BE 2172.

OKAY. AND MAYBE ANOTHER 120. I DON'T KNOW. ALL RIGHT.

YEAH, YOU DID MENTION THAT. SO. THANK YOU. JOG MY MEMORY.

ANOTHER THING TOO. I BELIEVE THIS WAS ON THE ELECTION IN MARCH OF 24 TO CREATE THIS MUD, IS THAT CORRECT? IT WAS TRANSFERRING THE CONTRACT FROM THE HOA TO THE MUD.

OKAY. WE HAD TO HAVE AN ELECTION TO DO THAT OF OUR RESIDENTS TO DO THAT.

CORRECT. AND THAT'S WHAT AND IT WAS SIMPLY THE TRANSFER.

YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT VIVIDLY BECAUSE THAT WAS DURING MY CAMPAIGN FOR THE SEAT.

AND I WAS AT THE POLL, EVERY MINUTE OF THE POLLS WERE OPEN, AND I INTERFACED WITH A LOT OF INSPIRATION PEOPLE, AND I EDUCATED THEM ON WHAT THIS WAS BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM CAME UP THERE, HAD NO CLUE WHAT THEY WERE VOTING FOR.

AND I ASKED THEM, I SAID, WELL, HOW ARE YOU PAYING FOR THIS RIGHT NOW? AND THEY WOULD SAY, THROUGH OUR HOA FEES, I SAID, COULD YOU DEDUCT THAT FROM YOUR TAXES? AND THE ANSWER WAS NO, YOU CAN NOW. YEAH. TO THE RATE OF WHAT? PARDON. WHAT DEDUCTION DO YOU GET NOW? SAME AS ANY OTHER TAX.

OKAY. ANY OTHER PROPERTY TAX? IS IT 10%. I DON'T KNOW.

100%. IT WOULD BE YOUR EFFECTIVE TAX RATE. YEAH.

AND I PAID ABOUT 15 TO 16%. YOU'RE LIVING IN WILEY IS THE DEDUCTION THAT I GET ON MY TAXES, WHICH IS PROBABLY COMMENSURATE WITH WHAT INSPIRATION FOLKS WOULD GET ON THIS.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO BALANCE THAT WITH THE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING FORWARD HERE.

AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER, WHEN WE PUT A CONTRACT IN PLACE, THAT THERE IS SOMETHING IN THERE THAT ALLOWS US THE

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OPTION TO LOOK BACK AT THE NUMBERS AND FIND OUT IF WHAT IS BEING AGREED TO NOW STILL ACCURATE.

I DON'T WANT TO LOCK IN ON SOMETHING THAT WE CANNOT CHANGE, AND WE'RE JUST STUCK WITH IT FOR EITHER PARTY.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE VERBIAGE IS, BUT I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT FOLKS IN HAND THAT CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT.

I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, AND THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE RATE CALCULATION.

I ASSUME YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THAT? I DON'T KNOW.

WAS IT YOU, BLYTHE? TOGETHER? YES. SO AT SOME POINT, YOU HAD TO DECIDE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO GENERATE THIS NUMBER.

OKAY. YOU HAVE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON EXPENSES.

AND HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER? AND YOU SETTLED ON THAT. WERE THERE ANY OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU HAD LOOKED AT TO A WAY TO GENERATE THE NUMBER THAT WOULD BE EQUITABLE TO INSPIRATION AS A RATE THAT THEY NEEDED TO PAY? WILEY. YEAH. AND 21 THEY PRESENTED INSPIRATION HOA, WHICH WAS MOSTLY DEVELOPMENT BOARD AT THAT POINT.

THEY HAD ACTUALLY IT WAS, IT WAS IN THE TRANSITION FROM DEVELOPER TO RESIDENT BOARD.

AND IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THE RESIDENTS GOT A GOOD LOOK AT THE THE CONTRACTS.

THEY APPROACHED US AND OUR ANSWER WAS, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING HERE? AND THEY PROVIDED FOUR OPTIONS. THREE OF THEM WERE NOT EVEN WORTH LOOKING AT.

AND THEN THE FOURTH ONE, THIS OPTION WAS THEIR SUGGESTION.

SO WE RAN ALL THE MATH ON IT AND IT KEPT IN LINE WITH OUR NORMAL.

WHAT? I CAN'T FIND THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT. WHEN INSPIRATION WAS FORMED, THEY.

THEY LAID OUT A PROJECTION OF WHAT THIS FIRE PROTECTION COST WOULD COST OVER A 30 YEAR PERIOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND IT PUT IT BACK IN LINE FROM WHERE WE WERE THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT IN 16.

THE CALCULATION WAS FRANKLY COMPLICATED AND IT WAS NOT EASY TO GET.

IT WAS TAKEN A TON OF STAFF TIME TO FIGURE IT OUT.

AND BILL EVERY QUARTER BASED ON A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO WE WANTED TO GO TO A SIMPLIFIED METHOD THAT WE COULD CALCULATE ONCE A YEAR, GENERATE THE TOTAL AMOUNT.

AND THEN WE PRESENTED THE COUNCIL THAT WE WANT.

THE SPIRIT OF THE CONTRACT IS THEY PAY THE SAME AMOUNT AS A WILY RESIDENT, PLUS A 10% ADMINISTRATIVE FEE.

BUDGET GREW, TAX RATE GREW, STUFF LIKE THAT. AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF OUTPACED WHAT, WHAT WE WERE PROJECTING ORIGINALLY.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. THAT'S WHY I'M SOMEWHAT AMICABLE TO THIS.

AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY HERE SAYS ON WE CAN DO THOSE THINGS.

THERE'S, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF THEIR ATTORNEY AND OUR ATTORNEY INVOLVED IN LEGALITIES OF WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT PUT IN THE CONTRACTS WITHOUT VIOLATING SOME STATE LAW SOMEWHERE. BUT WE HAVE THE NOTES ON WHAT WE WANT TO SEE OUT OF THAT ON OUR SIDE.

OKAY. BUT YOU KNOW, FUNDAMENTALLY, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, AN INSPIRATION HOUSE AND PUT IT INTO OUR TAX RATE CALCULATOR ON OUR WEBSITE AND IT COMES OUT SOMEWHERE NEAR THE SAME NUMBER THAT A WHILE YOU'RE PAYING.

IF THAT'S STILL THE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO ASK TONIGHT.

IS THAT STILL THE MODE OF OPERATION? SO I GUESS AS I'VE LISTENED TO HOW YOU EXPLAINED IT EARLIER, WHICH MADE SENSE TO ME THE WHERE I WAS LEFT WAS IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR ME TO SEE THAT THAT NUMBER ENCOMPASSES ONLY THE SERVICES THAT WERE PROVIDED.

I MEAN, THE STATEMENT HAS BEEN MADE THAT, OH, WELL, IT'S ALSO ENCOMPASSING IN THE PERCENTAGE THE OTHER BONDS THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T INVOLVE THAT SERVICE. IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GENERATE THAT NUMBER WHERE IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THE NUMBER WE'RE GIVING ONLY ENCOMPASSES THE SERVICE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING? YOU'RE GOING TO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO POP IN AND SAY SOMETHING THERE.

SO YEAH. SO FROM LISTENING TO THE WAY IT'S CALCULATED, THEY THEY ARE TAKING THE INS.

AND ESSENTIALLY, I'LL JUST PUT IT SIMPLY, FIRE IS 28%.

THEY'RE PAYING 28% OF OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS AND 28% OF THE INTEREST AND SINKING OF OUR DEBT.

SO THE 28% IS BEING APPLIED ACROSS THE ENTIRE AMOUNT.

AND I WHILE THERE ARE TIMES I'M SURE THAT FIRE JUMPS A LITTLE BIT ABOVE 28% ON DEBT, THAT'S IT'S PROBABLY FAIRLY ACCURATE OVER TIME. WHEN YOU LOOK AT VEHICLES AND YOU LOOK AT FIRE STATIONS AND PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING.

SINCE I WILL BE COMING IN HERE, I MEAN, WE IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO SPLIT IT ALL OUT.

OKAY, I'M WITH YOU. FIRE TRUCK COMES EVERY, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS.

SO LIKE, WE JUST KIND OF. YEAH, ALL OF A SUDDEN.

YEAH. SO I DON'T LIKE IT ANY MORE THAN YOU DO, BUT.

YEAH. WELL, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, IS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE PUT IN PLACE, IT'S VERY CLEAR TO NOT ONLY THIS COUNCIL AND THE MUD AND THE CITIZENS OF INSPIRATION, BUT ALSO TO THE CITIZENS OF WYLIE THAT THIS IS INDEED A

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FAIR NUMBER. I WANT WHATEVER IT IS, I WANT IT TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT WHEN A ONE PAGER IS PRESENTED THAT THEY ALL AGREE, YES, THIS IS FAIR. AND I'M I'M TROUBLED THAT I'M NOT GETTING THAT JUST BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT THERE. WE CAN SEND IT TO YOU.

YEAH. THE IT'S, IT'S USUALLY EXHIBIT A OF THE CONTRACT THAT SHOWS THE CALCULATION WORKSHEET FOR THAT YEAR OF IMPLEMENTATION.

RIGHT. SO IF I REVISE THIS CONTRACT RIGHT NOW GET IT THROUGH LEGAL.

MIGHT HAVE IT BACK BY DECEMBER. THEIR BILLING CYCLE STARTS IN JANUARY.

THE NEW RATE. SO IT'S CALCULATED ON 2627. BUT I SAY THAT RIGHT.

NO, WE SEND YOU A BILL IN OCTOBER. REALLY? YEAH. BECAUSE THE HOA IS GOING TO BILL BASED ON A CALENDAR YEAR VERSUS OUR BUDGET CYCLE THAT HITS.

AND I JUST FOR FISCAL YEAR, FISCAL YEAR. YEAH, THEY'RE ON THE FISCAL YEAR.

THEY'RE DUE FOR AN INVOICE. NOW IT'S IN HOLDING BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS. THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO GET ON THE AGENDA FIRST THING IN OCTOBER HERE. BUT I DON'T IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN ANSWER FOR ME, RIGHT? YEAH. BUT TYPICALLY THAT CALCULATION WORKSHEETS CLEARLY SPELLED OUT IN EXHIBIT, THE FIRST EXHIBIT OF THE CONTRACT.

AND REALLY, I MEAN, IT'S I HAVE AN ONGOING SPREADSHEET FROM 2016 THAT SHOWS EVERY YEAR HOW WE CALCULATED WHERE IT IS.

WE COULD SNIP IT OUT. AND I HAVE A COPY HERE, BUT THE, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, GETTING THAT VISIBLE AND FORWARD FACING TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO MY SAYING ALL THAT, I WANT TO SAY THIS, MY GOAL, AND I'M SURE THIS IS EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL IS WE WANT TO PROVIDE A GOOD SERVICE TO INSPIRATION. THEY'RE THEY'RE, THEY'RE WILY.

OKAY. AND I ALSO WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE IS FAIR.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT AT THE END OF THE DAY. I WANT EVERYBODY AGREED ON THAT.

SO THAT'S MY GOAL. SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST THINK YOU KNOW, INSPIRATION IS A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO WALLY, AND WE'RE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THEM, AND I THINK WE CAN FIND A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE TWO OF US TO KEEP UP THE GOOD RELATIONS.

I WILL SAY THAT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS A GUARANTEED RESPONSE TIME.

AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT YOU PAY FOR IN YOUR RATE WHEN YOU PAY US IS YOU PAY FOR RESPONSE TIME.

AND WHEN SOMEONE IS DYING OR THEIR HOUSE IS ON FIRE, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY IT COSTS FOR AN AMBULANCE OR A FIRE TRUCK TO ROLL OUT THERE, TO PUT OUT A FIRE OR SAVE A LIFE. BUT I THINK WE CAN FIND A GOOD COMPROMISE.

OKAY. I'LL ADD MINE. I'LL BE BRIEF BECAUSE I DON'T DISAGREE.

I'LL GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID AFTER THE MAYOR PRO TEM SPOKE.

I'M FINE WITH LOOKING AT THE 10%, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND THE RATE.

AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO EXPLAIN THAT.

UNDERSTANDING THAT IT DOES EXACTLY HOW THAT'S CALCULATED ON THE INS.

IS IT PERFECT? EVERY YEAR YOU PROBABLY GET CHEAPER RATE SOMETIMES AND YOU PROBABLY PAY MORE SOMETIMES, BUT THAT'S CALLED COMING OUT IN THE WASH AND AND NEITHER PERSON IS TAKING ADVANTAGE.

SO KNOWING THAT THAT HELPS ME. IF SOMEBODY COMES TO ME AND SAYS, WELL, THEY GET THE SERVICE AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. NO, ACTUALLY, NOW THAT HELPS ME AND OTHERS SPEAK TO THAT. THAT BEING SAID, IF WE WANT TO AVOID ADMINISTRATIVE FEES, WE HAVE TO AVOID ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONTRACT THAT HAS 90 DAY OUTS AND WE CAN END UP BACK HERE EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, THAT DOESN'T HELP BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING CITY SECRETARY, CITY STAFF, CITY ATTORNEY, AND EVERYONE ELSE TO GO THROUGH THAT.

SO IF WE WANT TO AVOID THAT, I'D LIKE TO SEE US.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A 25 YEAR AGREEMENT. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO REACH OUT AND I'M GOING TO LOOK AT ANOTHER PERSON THAT CONTRACTS AND GO, WELL, THE REASON IS BECAUSE THEY AGREE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THIS FOR THIS MANY YEARS.

SO WE'RE NOT CHARGING THEM A FEE. THEY WANT TO BE THERE.

PART OF WHY WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT, TEN YEAR CONTRACT.

I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE WEEDS. THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT CHARGING THEM BECAUSE THEY'VE AGREED TO A FAIR PRICE FOR A FAIR SET OF TIME.

AND THAT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO PLAN OUR FUTURE ON QUINTS, AMBULANCES, ALL THE PURCHASES THAT WE NEED WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT, AM I GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER HEARING, SEND IT TO ANOTHER ATTORNEY, GO BACK AND FORTH.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY MY STATEMENT TO, TO YOU AND THE BOARD AND TO THE CITIZENS THERE.

LET'S FIND A LONGER AGREEMENT THAT WE CAN ALL LIVE WITH.

AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT NOT HAVING TO HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE, BECAUSE WE KNOW AND WE CAN PLAN IF IT STAYS WITH THE 90 DAY OUT.

IT'S NOT A CONTRACT. IT'S IT'S A IT'S A LOOSE AGREEMENT UNTIL ONE SIDE DISAGREES AND THAT'S THAT.

SO IF WE HAVE THAT LONG TERM COMMITMENT WITH EACH OTHER, I'M FINE WITH IT BEING TREATED LIKE A CITIZEN WITHOUT THE ADMINISTRATION FEE.

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IF WE CAN'T GET TO THAT, THEN I'M GOING TO RELY ON YOU ALL TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE BOARD AND BRING BACK A RECOMMENDATION.

THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I WOULD BE. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER.

SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE UNDERSTAND. APPRECIATE IT.

DOES THAT HELP, CHIEF? YES, SIR. ANY ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I CLOSE? I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG DISCUSSION, BUT. OKAY.

APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE THIS EVENING, SIR AND MA'AM, BECAUSE YOU WAITED AS WELL.

AND BOARD MEMBERS. OH, WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING.

APPRECIATE Y'ALL. APPRECIATE THE STAFF THAT HAS WAITED AS WELL.

WE DO STILL HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS TO TAKE ON AS IT WAS A WORK SESSION.

THERE'S NO FORMAL ACTION. WE'LL THEN MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION UNDER 551.0742.

[EXECUTIVE SESSION]

PERSONNEL MATTERS CLOSED. MEETING APPOINTMENT IS THREE. APPOINTMENT OF INTERIM CITY MANAGER IS FOR DELIBERATING THE EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION.

APPOINTMENT DUTIES OF THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

AND YEAH, WE ALREADY COMPLETED THE OTHERS, CORRECT? YES. WITH THAT, WE'LL COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.

[RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION]

RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION. ITEM EIGHT THIS EVENING IS GOING BACK INTO REGULAR AGENDA IS TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE APPOINTMENT OF AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

[8. Consider, and act upon, the appointment of an Interim City Manager. ]

I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION TO APPOINT MISS RENEE ALI AS THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN. STRING. I'LL SECOND.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND TO APPOINT MISS ALI AS INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

THE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. CONGRATULATIONS, MISS ALLI, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO SERVE.

THANK YOU. I. YES. ITEM NINE IS TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE APPROVAL OF THE EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF WYLIE,

[9. Consider, and act upon, the approval of the Employment Agreement between the City of Wylie, Texas and Renaé Ollie, and authorize the Mayor to execute the agreement. ]

TEXAS, AND RENEE ALLI AND AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT.

I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGREEMENT PENDING FINAL REVIEW BY OUR ATTORNEY.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND COUNCILMAN PICKENS? THANK YOU.

MAYOR. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AS STATED WITH A SECOND.

COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

SO THAT DOES CONCLUDE OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

MISS BRADLEY, DO WE HAVE ANY ORDINANCES TO READ?

[READING OF ORDINANCES]

YES, MAYOR. WE DO. IT'S ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-43, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WYLIE, TEXAS, HEREBY SETTING THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING DATES FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2027 FOR THE CITY OF WYLIE, TEXAS, PROVIDING FOR SAVINGS, REPEALING AND SEVERANCE CLAUSES, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS ORDINANCE.

AND THAT'S ALL OKAY WITH THAT. THAT DOES CONCLUDE OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN, COUNCILMAN STRANG? THANK YOU. MAYOR. I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND COUNCILMAN PICKENS.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. SECOND MOTION WITH A SECOND TO ADJOURN.