[Historic Review Commission on August 27, 2026.]
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          MEETING TO ORDER THE WILEY HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION. IT IS 623. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA NON AGENDA ITEM COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. I DON'T SEE ANYONE. FRANKIE DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON ON OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NO PRESENTATIONS A CONSENT AGENDA A CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE JULY 23RD, 2026 HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING, HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, REVISIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. OKAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN. I SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. CAST YOUR VOTE. 
          MOTION PASSED. I'M SORRY. THAT WAS. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. WE'LL GO INTO THE REGULAR AGENDA ITEM ONE CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR A REQUEST REGARDING THE RENOVATION OF AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE FOR A CONVERSION TO OFFICE SUITES PROPERTY LOCATED IN DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT AT 514 NORTH BALLARD AVENUE. JASON. THANK YOU MA'AM. GABBY, CAN YOU PUT WHAT'S UP THERE ON THE SCREEN? YEAH. THANK YOU. SO THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS PROPOSING TO RENOVATE. 
          IT'S AN EXISTING PROPERTY AT 514 NORTH BALLARD. THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1970 IS BASICALLY IT'S A GENERALLY IT'S A RANCH STYLE HOME. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          I'M GOING TO PAUSE FOR JUST A SECOND BECAUSE WE GOT ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER COMING IN. THANKS FOR COMING. DOWN. YEAH, I THINK SHE'S RIGHT HERE. NO, THAT'S ALLISON NOW. RIGHT. WHERE'S SHE? OVER THERE. HI, TOM. OKAY. OVER HERE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SORRY ABOUT THE DELAY. SO LET ME START OVER REAL QUICK. THIS IS OUR OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA. AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO RENOVATE AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. IT'S ON NORTH BALLARD. IT'S ON PROPERTY THAT'S BASICALLY SURROUNDED BY SAINT ANTHONY'S CATHOLIC CHURCH. IT WAS BUILT IN 1970. IT'S GENERALLY A RANCH STYLE HOME. IT'S THERE'S SOME ELEMENTS OF RANCH STYLE IN IT. 
          THE PROPERTY OWNER PURCHASED THE PROPERTY BACK IN MARCH, HAD STARTED A FEW RENOVATIONS AND THEN WAS, YOU KNOW, TOLD BY THE CITY THAT, HEY, YOU'RE INSIDE ONE. HE WASN'T DIDN'T KNOW THAT HE WAS INSIDE CITY LIMITS. AND THERE IS SOME AREA RIGHT THERE THAT IS IN THE COUNTY. SO IT WAS A LEGITIMATE LOOK. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT LIKE THE TAX ROLLS AND THIS PROPERTY WASN'T ON THE CITY TAX ROLLS. SO HE HAD A LEGITIMATE REASON FOR BELIEVING THAT HE WASN'T IN THE COUNTY. SO HE DIDN'T HAVE TO PULL ANY PERMITS. ONCE HE WAS TOLD THAT HE HAD TO PULL PERMITS, HE WAS FINE WITH THAT. YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE, CAME IN, WENT TO PULL THE PERMITS, LET HIM KNOW, HEY, BY THE WAY, YOU'RE ALSO IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO WE GOT TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS TOO, AND PROVIDED EVERYTHING THAT WE NEEDED TO PROVIDE. LET ME SEE IF I CAN. THERE WE GO. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN SEE HERE. THEY DID START SOME WORK. THEY SENT STOPPED THE WORK AND PROVIDED US WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO MOVE MOVE ON. THE APPLICANT DOES WANT TO TURN THE RESIDENTIAL HOME INTO A COMMERCIAL, BASICALLY LIKE AN OFFICE SPACE, LIKE SEVERAL OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF OFFICE SPACE IN FORMER RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL HOMES DOWNTOWN AND GENERALLY KEEP THAT SAME GENERAL RANCH STYLE. WE'RE GOING TO GO WHITE BRICK AND NOT MAKING ANY ADDITIONS, NOT CHANGING WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, REALLY, OR ANY WINDOW PLACINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THE DOOR OBVIOUSLY IS GOING FROM A 1 TO 2 THE RAMP BECAUSE IT'S GOT TO BE ADA COMPLIANT BECAUSE IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT SORT OF THING GOING ON. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, 
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THE GENERAL STYLE IS STAYING THE SAME. THE APPLICANT ISN'T HERE, WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. BUT WITH THAT, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS I CAN. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WHEN SOMEBODY PURCHASES A PROPERTY IN THE WILEY HISTORIC DISTRICT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S DISCLOSED ON THE SELLER'S PAPERWORK? THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT, NO. I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WHILE YOU HATE AN OLD HOUSE TO BE CHANGED, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE AN UPGRADE. SO I DO LIKE THE. CRAFTSMAN ELEMENT THERE WITH THE WOOD. BUT BUT I DO THINK IT LOOKS LIKE A NICE STRUCTURE. WHAT DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAY AND WHERE'S PARKING GOING TO BE. I DON'T SEE ANY OF THAT. SO THIS IF LET ME SEE. SO THERE'S A SITE PLAN RIGHT THERE WHICH IS ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO DO. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME UPGRADES. THERE'S LIKE AN EXISTING GRAVEL DRIVE, AND THAT'LL BE PART OF THE. YEAH, THE ONE BEHIND IT IS PARKING. THERE WE GO. YEAH, THERE WE GO. SO THAT'S HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ULTIMATELY DESIGN THE SITE. AND FOR HR PURPOSES, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING ITSELF. BUT THERE WILL BE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE. HOW MANY OFFICES AND HOW MANY PEOPLE IS IT GOING TO. THEY ARE ARE PLANNING ON DOING TWO SUITES. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE THERE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING, THE PARKING FITS IN WITH THE CITY ORDINANCES. AND THIS IS YOUR PARKING BACK HERE. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. DRIVE AND PARKING. YES, MA'AM. AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THEM DOING THIS IN, IN AND AROUND THEM. NOT THAT WE KNOW OF, BUT THEY'RE NOT NOTIFIED FOR HR. SEE, IT'S NOT A ZONING CHANGE. OKAY, SO THEY HAVEN'T ACTUALLY OFFICIALLY BEEN NOTIFIED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING. 
          OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THIS, TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST KIND OF A PROPERTY IN THE AREA AND NOT NECESSARILY LIKE A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY. AND SO TO ME, I THINK THIS MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO IMPROVE THE BUILDING. I THINK OVERALL IT'S GOING TO HELP WITH THE LOOK AND FEEL DOWN THERE. AND THEY ARE KEEPING IT RELATIVELY CONSISTENT. SO I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY CONCERNS THERE. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS. COMMENTS. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. WHAT WAS THAT ADDRESS AGAIN TO RECOMMEND RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE 514 NORTH BALLARD AVENUE AS PROPOSED. SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE BY HAND. VOTE. THAT PASSES FIVE ZERO. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. BACK HERE. OKAY. ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA. CONSIDER AN ACT UPON A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR A REQUEST REGARDING THE ENCLOSURE AND COVERING OF AN EXISTING OUTDOOR PATIO AREA FOR OUTSIDE SEATING FOR A RESTAURANT LOCATED IN DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          PROPERTY LOCATED AT 302 NORTH BALLARD. JASON. THANK YOU MA'AM. SO THIS IS THE FRANKIE'S MEXICAN RESTAURANT THAT'S DOWNTOWN. THE OWNERS ASKED TO ADD A COVERED PATIO. THERE'S ALREADY A DECK OUT THERE. IT'S ABOUT A LITTLE UNDER 1000FT■!S, AND THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND COVER IT, AS SHOWN ON THE THE THE EXHIBIT HERE. WE KNOW THAT THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN LIKE 1900. YOU KNOW, IT DOES HAVE SOME HISTORIC NATURE TO IT. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY A RESTAURANT. 
          I MEAN, FOR AT LEAST 20, 25 YEARS. THOSE OF YOU WHO REMEMBER TASTE OF HOME, THEN THEY BOUGHT IT. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN FRANKIE'S RESTAURANT. HE'S DONE SOME EXPANSIONS TO IT, EVENTUALLY GOING TO TURN IT INTO THE SECOND COWBOY STADIUM, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, JUST GIVE HIM A HARD TIME. NO. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A SUCCESSFUL YOU KNOW, AND WE LIKE SUCCESSFUL, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES ESPECIALLY DOWNTOWN. BUT THEY HAVE THE OUTDOOR SEATING RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S NOT COVERED. IT'S BEEN 100 DEGREES FOR, YOU KNOW, 45 DAYS IN A ROW 
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OR WHATEVER IT'S BEEN. SO HE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO COVER IT, BUT HE'S GOT TO GO THROUGH HRC, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE HE'S CHANGING THE OUTSIDE OBVIOUSLY BEFOREHAND. AND THEN IF THIS GETS APPROVED BY HRC AND CITY COUNCIL, THEN YOU'LL STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH BUILDING PERMITS AND THAT SORT OF THING. WITH THAT, I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNERS ALSO HERE. SO THE EXISTING PATIO IS GOING TO BE RAISED LIKE DECK HIGH BECAUSE THE FRONT DOOR, I KNOW YOU HAVE TO STEP UP FOR THE FRONT DOOR. 
          COME ON UP, FRANKIE, OR WHOEVER WANTS TO SPEAK. PUSH THAT BUTTON AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. MY NAME IS JOSE ROSALES. I'M THE ONE RUNNING THE CONSTRUCTION ON FRANKIE'S FRONT PATIO, IF APPROVED BY Y'ALL. SO ANY QUESTIONS I MIGHT BE ABLE HERE TO HELP YOU AND THE OWNERS ALSO HERE. SO MY QUESTION WAS. AND I KNOW HE SHOOK HIS HEAD. YES, THE PATIO. SIT DOWN WHERE IT IS NOW. IT'S GOING TO BE RAISED UP DECK HIGH. CORRECT. WORKING STRAIGHT TO THE FRONT DOOR. CORRECT. AND THEN WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE? BRICK AROUND THE BOTTOM PART. IT'S GOING TO BE SIDING FACADE, JUST LIKE THE THE OTHER ADDITION THAT WE DID CORRECT PAINTED THE SAME COLOR. WHAT IS THE COVERING GOING TO BE THAT? WELL, HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP ME. HE WOULD LIKE TO SHINGLES ON IT, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU ON WHATEVER IS APPROVED. IT SHOULD BE SHINGLES. I THINK WHAT JASON IS SAYING THAT IT IT IS REQUIRED TO BE SHINGLED. OKAY, OKAY. SO IT WOULD MATCH THE SHINGLES OF THE HOUSE. OKAY, OKAY. WILL IT BE SEPARATE OR WILL IT LOOK LIKE IT FLOWS INTO THE HOUSE? I'M TRYING TO LOOK ON THE. WHEN YOU MEAN LIKE CLOSER TO THE. WELL, LIKE WILL THE ROOF OF THE DECK. IT'LL BE ATTACHED UNIFORM ALL AS ONE. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FLAT. I MEAN, WHAT AM I SEEING HERE? NO. SO THE, THE, THE REPRESENTATION THAT THEY HAVE, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO MEET THE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS. SO LIKE IN OUR MINIMUMS, LIKE A 412 TYPE PITCH. 
          SO THERE WILL BE SOME PITCH TO THE ROOF. IT MIGHT EVEN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE WHEN EVERYTHING'S SAID AND DONE. BUT THIS GIVES YOU A GOOD IDEA OF AT LEAST THE STARTING POINT, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. AND LIKE I SAID, IF THIS WAS APPROVED BY RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, HERE GOES TO CITY COUNCIL GETS APPROVED. IT'S STILL GOT TO GO TO THROUGH BUILDING OFFICIAL AND MAKE SURE IT MEETS ALL THE CODES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. QUICK QUESTION BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE ORIGINAL PICTURES OF THE PATIO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO COVER THE RAMP AND BE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING, OR IS IT GOING TO BE DETACHED? IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DETACHED. OKAY. IT'LL PROBABLY BE TWO THREE INCHES, OKAY. BUT UP TO EACH OTHER, BUT IT WILL COVER OVER THE RAMP THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT GOES EXTENDS BEYOND JUST THE PATIO AREA BY A LITTLE BIT. SO WHEN YOU COME OUT THE FRONT DOOR, IT'LL BE COVERED, BUT NOT ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. THAT WAY WHEN THEY'RE COMING OUT, PEOPLE ARE NOT GETTING WET OR SOMETHING. OKAY. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT LAST PART THAT YOU JUST SAID? I DIDN'T LIKE? WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT TO THE FRONT DOOR, THEY WON'T BE GETTING WET AS LONG AS THEY'RE COMING DOWN FROM THE RAMP, YOU KNOW? SO. I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE A GOOD TRACK RECORD FOR DOING GOOD WORK AND MAKING LIKE UPDATING THE DOWNTOWN. AND I THINK IT'LL BE A GREAT ADDITION, HONESTLY. THANK YOU. OKAY. IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'LL DO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL AS WRITTEN. OKAY. DO I'LL SECOND. OKAY. OH, SORRY. ONE MORE THING. THERE'S THREE WINDOWS THAT ARE OUTDATED ON THE NORTH SIDE. IF YOU CAN SEE ON. ITEM TWO, WE WANTED TO UPDATE THOSE TO LOOK THE SAME AS THE OTHER SIDE ALSO. ARE THOSE WINDOWS GOING TO BE THE SAME SIZE, THE SAME SIZE? 
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OKAY. YES. CORRECT. OKAY. I CAN SHOW IT ON THE STREET VIEW. SEE THESE? YEAH. OKAY. I THINK THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS THEM TO BE CHANGED AS LONG AS IT'S THE SAME THING WITHOUT COMING BACK TO HRC. YEAH, JUST CHANGING OUT THE WINDOWS. AS LONG AS YOU'RE CHANGING THE OTHER SIDE THAT JUST BEEN THERE SINCE THE HOUSE BEEN THERE. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE SAME SIZE. CORRECT. GO AROUND TO THE OTHER SIDE. YEAH. THOSE RIGHT, THOSE WINDOWS I UNDERSTAND, BUT SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE CHANGING THESE TO MATCH THE OTHER SIDE. 
          CORRECT. SO ONE TWO AND THEN TWO ON THE SIDE AND ONE IN THE FRONT. SO THERE'S FOUR WINDOWS ON ON THAT SIDE. WE WANT TO TAKE OUT. ALL FOUR. THERE'S ONE TO LEAVE. THE BACK ONE GOES IN THE KITCHEN. BUT I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE. THERE'S THREE OKAY ON THAT SIDE. SO IF IT'S GOING FROM THAT FRONT TO SO YOU CAN UPDATE THE WINDOWS, YOU JUST HAVE TO KEEP THEM. THOSE ARE CRAFTSMAN STYLE WINDOWS WITH THE TRIM OUT, JUST LIKE A CRAFTSMAN. BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS A CRAFTSMAN, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEW WINDOW IS TRIMMED OUT JUST LIKE THE OLD WINDOW IS. YES, THAT'S HOW WE DID IT ON THE GARAGE, IF YOU REMEMBER. SO OKAY, DO IT JUST EXACTLY. YES. OKAY. THE OTHER ONES. OKAY. THEN I'M GOING TO AMEND MY MOTION TO SAY THAT I RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THE APPLICANT, MAKING SURE THAT THE THREE WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE ARE STILL TRIMMED OUT. CRAFTSMAN STYLE TRIM OUT JUST LIKE THEY ARE CURRENTLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE AND. OKAY. MOTION. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A TIME FRAME ON HOW LONG IT MIGHT BE TO GET OUR DESIGN UP AND SET IT TO BUILDING PERMITS, AND DEPENDING ON HOW LONG THAT TAKES, MAYBE A MONTH OR TWO IF EVERYTHING'S APPROVED. THANK YOU. IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT JUST A QUICK UPDATE WE'LL GO UNDER. AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS FOR NEXT MONTH, AND SO WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE A MEETING NEXT MONTH. WE'RE WORKING ON THE GUIDEBOOK, BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY, PROBABLY ANY WE WON'T HAVE ANY PROGRESS TO SHOW FOR NEXT MONTH, BUT THE NEXT MONTH AFTER THAT WE WILL. SO. UNLESS SOMETHING COMES UP RIGHT NOW, WE'RE. UNLESS I SEND YOU SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DO. YOU DO NEED TO ADJOURN. ALL RIGHT. NO WORK SESSION. WE DON'T HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN. I WILL SECOND, CAST YOUR VOTE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.