1. Consider, and act upon, the discussion and direction regarding the automatic renewal terms of the Flock Safety Agreement with Flock Group, Inc., and take any action necessary related to the continuation or termination of the agreement.

[1. Consider, and act upon, the discussion and direction regarding the automatic renewal terms of the Flock Safety Agreement with Flock Group, Inc., and take any action necessary related to the continuation or termination of the agreement. ]

ITEM ONE IS TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION REGARDING THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL TERMS OF THE FLOCK SAFETY AGREEMENT WITH FLOCK GROUP INCORPORATED, AND TAKE ANY ACTION NECESSARY RELATED TO THE CONTINUATION OR TERMINATION OF THE AGREEMENT.

ALL RIGHT. SO I BELIEVE THIS ITEM MR. ASSISTANT CHIEF WALTERS, ARE YOU PRESENTING? NO. MAYOR. THIS ITEM WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA BY COUNCILMAN STRAIN.

COUNCILMAN. DUKE, WE DO NOT KNOW THE NATURE OF THIS ITEM.

OKAY, THEN I'LL GIVE THE BACKGROUND THAT WAS BRIEFLY POSITED HERE.

THE CITY DID ENTER AN AGREEMENT WHICH TOOK EFFECT OCTOBER 14TH OF 2025 FOR AN INITIAL TERM OF 12 MONTHS, WHICH ENDS OCTOBER 13TH, 2026. THE RENEWAL IN QUESTION WOULD BE FOR TWO YEARS PAID ONE YEAR AT A TIME GOING THROUGH OCTOBER 2028. AND IF EITHER PARTY WISHES TO GIVE NOTICE OF NON-RENEWAL, A 30 DAY NOTICE IS REQUIRED.

SO I WILL OPEN IT UP. COUNCILMAN STRAIN. THANK YOU.

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MAYOR. SO THE REASON WHY I ASKED TO BE PUT ON THE COUNCIL IS THE AUTO RENEWING NATURE OF IT.

I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD FOR US TO OPEN IT UP AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

I REVIEWED THE CONTRACT. TECHNICALLY, IT'S A CONTRACT.

REALLY. IT'S AN ORDER FORM THAT POINTS TO TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT ARE HOSTED BY A DYNAMIC WEBSITE LINK.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IF YOU GO TO W W W DOT WHATEVER, THERE YOU CAN SEE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS.

THEY CAN BE CHANGED AT ANY TIME. YOU CAN'T GET TO THE OLD ONE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A USERNAME AND A PASSWORD.

I'M ASSUMING THAT'S FOR CUSTOMERS. PARDON ME.

I'M KIND OF FRAZZLED BECAUSE MY KID ATE MY DINNER, SO.

SO I'M A LITTLE OUT OF BREATH. OKAY, SO THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T REALLY LIKE THAT KIND OF TERMS. I WORK WITH A LOT OF LEGAL TEAMS. THIS IS NOT THE WAY I TYPICALLY SEE CONTRACTS STRUCTURED.

MY ASK WOULD BE THAT WE CAN FIND A WAY WITH FLOC TO SET THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS IN STONE AS THEY WERE WRITTEN AND SIGNED AND AGREED TO AT THE TIME, AND THAT SUBSEQUENT CHANGES DO NOT TAKE EFFECT UNLESS THEY HAVE THE CONSENT OF THEIR CUSTOMER, THAT IS WILEY. I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE OTHER CITIES SO MUCH. THAT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THE MERITS OF FLOC CAMERAS IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT THE WAY THINGS ARE IN THE COUNTRY, IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM. AND IT'S NOT THE FAULT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I THINK LAW ENFORCEMENT ACROSS THE ENTIRE NATION DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF CATCHING BAD GUYS.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I SEE PROSECUTORS AND JUDGES ACROSS THIS NATION SCREW EVERYTHING UP.

IT'S APPALLING. THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT.

THERE'S NOTHING LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN REALLY DO ABOUT IT OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, COMPLAIN AND TELL THEM OTHERWISE.

BUT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY RETURN AS A NATION TO SOME ACTUAL EFFECTIVE CRIMINAL JUSTICE AT THE LEVEL OF THE COURTS AND LEGISLATURES, THEN WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE STUFF LIKE THIS ANYWAY.

MY MAIN CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS JUST THAT THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT ARE SET IN STONE, AND THAT FLOCK CAN'T JUST DECIDE TO CHANGE THEM ON THIS, BECAUSE IT IS CERTAINLY IMPLIED THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY CAN DO. OR AT LEAST THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW I READ THE AGREEMENT, MR. PARKER. SO WE DID REACH OUT TO FLOCK. AND WHENEVER THE TERMS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED, WHENEVER WE ENTER INTO THAT AGREEMENT, ARE THE ONES THAT WE ABIDE BY, IF THEY CHANGE THOSE TERMS IN BETWEEN CONTRACT RENEWALS, THEN UPON THE RENEWAL, THOSE NEW TERMS TAKE EFFECT. OKAY.

SO I KNOW OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CITIZENS WHO HAVE ASKED TO SPEAK THIS EVENING.

SO MAYOR PRO TEM, WOULD YOU WANT TO. THANK YOU MAYOR.

HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? I DO. WE HAVE HAD FLOC NOW FOR IF I'M CORRECT, WE EXPANDED LAST YEAR AND WE'VE HAD IT FOR 24 MONTHS, IF I'M CORRECT AND I CAN BE CORRECTED. BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM CHIEF WALTERS OR CHIEF HENDERSON TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT UPDATE ON HOW HAS IT HELPED THE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE NUANCES THEY'VE SEEN? WHAT ARE THE STRUGGLES THEY HAVE SEEN? AND GIVE US A BRIEF UPDATE ON ON THE FLOC OVERALL.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I DID HAVE A I PREPARED A PRESENTATION WITHOUT REALLY KNOWING WHICH DIRECTION THIS WAS GOING TO THAT THIS AGENDA ITEM WAS GOING TO GO WHICH DOES HAVE SOME OF OUR SUCCESS STORIES IN IT.

IT ALSO HAS SOME OF THE GUARDRAILS THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE.

I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, TO KIND OF RUN THROUGH THAT IF THAT'S Y'ALL'S DESIRE.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY THE WAS PREPARED TO ALSO HELP INFORM THE PUBLIC AS WELL.

IF YOU GIVE ME A SECOND, I WILL HOOK MY LAPTOP UP AND GET THE SLIDESHOW STARTED.

AND MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU ARE CORRECT. WE ACTUALLY ENTERED INTO THE CONTRACT IN AUGUST OF 2024.

WE DID NOT EXPAND LAST YEAR. THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN EXACTLY WHERE, WHERE IT'S BEEN.

WE DID APPLY FOR TWO GRANTS. BUT THE GRANT WAS TURNED DOWN THIS THIS YEAR.

SO THERE IS NO, THERE'S NO EXPANSION ON THE HORIZON AS RIGHT NOW.

AND ADMITTEDLY, THE CLIMATE WAS THE COMMUNITY CLIMATE WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT LAST YEAR.

SO I'VE BEEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, SPECIFICALLY HERE IN WYLIE FOR ALMOST 27 YEARS.

AND THERE'S A FEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT HAVE CHANGED IN THAT 27 YEARS THAT ARE GAME CHANGERS.

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AND THIS IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THEM. LPR TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED AND MADE US A LOT MORE EFFICIENT.

WE CAN DO MORE WITH LESS BECAUSE OF TECHNOLOGIES LIKE THIS.

I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH THE WHY, AND HERE'S A FEW OF THE SUCCESS STORIES.

AND THIS IS JUST A FEW. I CAN'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM IN 2025.

OUR WHOLE REGION WAS AFFECTED WITH CHURCH MAIL THEFTS.

THIS BLACK EQUINOX WAS SEEN ON ONE OF THE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS.

SO I SAYS, CHURCH SURVEILLANCE IMAGE. BUT YOU CAN TELL IT HAS NO FRONT PLATE.

WE'RE TOLD ALL THE TIME. WELL, WHY DO YOU NEED THESE CAMERAS? WE HAVE CAMERAS ALL OVER TOWN THAT CAPTURE THINGS.

WELL, AS YOU CAN TELL, THERE'S NO IDENTIFYING INFORMATION HERE. BUT IT WAS ENOUGH TO ENTER A SEARCH TERM OF A BLACK EQUINOX INTO THE FLOCK SYSTEM.

AND THEY LOCATED THIS VEHICLE IN ROUTE TO COMMIT THE CRIME.

FAST FORWARD A LITTLE BIT. A SECOND VEHICLE IS OBSERVED BEING INVOLVED.

ONCE AGAIN, IT WAS FOUND IN ROUTE TO THE OFFENSE BASED ON FLOCK CAMERAS.

I'VE GOT SOME PICTURES TO SHOW YOU IN A MOMENT.

LICENSE PLATE WAS ENTERED. THAT LICENSE PLATE WAS ENTERED INTO A FLOCK HOT LIST.

DETECTIVES WERE ALERTED THAT THE VEHICLE WAS HEADED BACK TO OUR CITY WITHOUT REALLY AN EXPLANATION AS TO.

THERE WAS NO OTHER REASON THEY KEPT COMING TO OUR CITY OTHER THAN THE DATES THIS.

THESE OFFENSES WERE OCCURRING. SUSPECT WAS IDENTIFIED AND ARRESTED.

I SHOW THIS PICTURE BECAUSE THAT IS ABOUT AS GOOD A LICENSE PLATE IMAGE AS YOU WILL GET ON SURVEILLANCE VIDEO.

BUT IF YOU LOOK, YOU CAN'T MAKE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.

NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU TRY TO QUOTE UNQUOTE, ENHANCE VIDEO.

THIS IS THE THE FLOCK IMAGE WHERE THE SEARCH TERM OF CHEVY TRAVERSE WAS ENTERED.

I BLACKED OUT THE LICENSE PLATE. YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL WHAT KIND OF VEHICLE THAT IS FROM THAT.

BUT FLOCKS TECHNOLOGY WAS ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT.

THIS WAS THE VEHICLE THE NEXT TIME IT WAS CAUGHT ENTERING OUR CITY.

AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR DETECTIVE VEHICLES PULLING IT OVER RIGHT BY THE OFFENSE LOCATION.

IN THE OLD DAYS, WE'D HAVE TO SET UP SURVEILLANCE ON THESE VEHICLES, WHICH WAS A HUGE WASTE OF TIME.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO SET UP AND WATCH HOPING AN OFFENSE WOULD BE COMMITTED, VERSUS YOU HAVE A STRATEGIC RESPONSE.

AND THIS ISN'T THE ONLY CASE LIKE THAT. WE ALSO HAD A ROBBERY IN 2025.

FIVE INDIVIDUALS PARKED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD GO ACROSS THE STREET, ROB A VAPE STORE AND FLEE ON A NEIGHBORHOOD CAMERA.

WE WERE ABLE TO SEE A BLACK SEDAN LEAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT WHAT SEEMED TO BE A PRETTY DELIBERATE PACE.

AND SO THEY RAN A FLOCK SEARCH AND FOUND THIS BLACK NISSAN FLEEING FROM THAT AREA.

AND WE'RE ABLE TO LINK THAT VEHICLE AND INVESTIGATE DEEPER AND FIND THREE OF THE FIVE SUSPECTS ENDED UP BEING ARRESTED AND IN THAT CASE WOULD LIKELY HAVE NOT GOTTEN SOLVED WITHOUT FLOCK.

HERE'S ANOTHER ONE. WE HAD A SHOOTING IN 2024.

THE TOP IMAGE IS BUSINESS SURVEILLANCE FROM DOWNTOWN.

THE WHITE AUDI PULLS UP ALONGSIDE THE WHITE CHEVROLET AND SHOOTS INTO THAT WHITE CHEVROLET.

THIS WAS THE BEST IMAGE WE HAD AND ALL WE KNEW WAS AN AUDI SUV.

THE BOTTOM IMAGE IS A FLOCK CAMERA. WHEN WE SEARCH WHITE AUDI SUV THROUGH THE DATA SHARING, IT POPPED UP OUT OF. I BELIEVE IT WAS SEAGOVILLE, BUT DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT.

BUT IT WAS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM THE REGISTERED OWNER'S ADDRESS.

WELL, THAT REGISTERED OWNER JUST HAPPENED TO BE THE SON OF THE PERSON INVOLVED IN THE DISTURBANCE WITH THE OTHER PARTY JUST SLIGHTLY BEFORE THIS CALL.

BOTH OFFENDERS HAVE SINCE BEEN CONVICTED. THIS WAS OUR MURDER FROM 2026.

THE HOMICIDE. WE JUST RECENTLY HAD OUR FIRST LEAD TO THE DRIVER OF THAT SILVER CHALLENGER.

I'M SORRY. SILVER CHARGER WAS FROM AN LPR HIT.

NOW, FLOCK CATCHES A LOT OF THE GRIEF IN THIS MARKET AND IN THIS REALM.

EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT FLOCK, FLOCK, FLOCK, FLOCK, FLOCK.

BUT THERE'S OTHER VENDORS IN THE LPR MARKET. AND THIS WAS A MOTOROLA SEARCH OF A BLACK CHARGER LEAVING THE AREA BEFORE WE EVEN GOT THE CALL.

AND SO IT GAVE US A LICENSE PLATE NUMBER, WHICH GAVE US A REGISTERED OWNER.

IT GAVE US AN EARLY INVESTIGATIVE LEAD. THAT CASE WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SOLVED, BUT IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TAKEN US A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

OTHER LPR DATA HELPED SOLIDIFY THE CASE, HELPED US IDENTIFY WHERE THE VEHICLE LEFT TO FROM THERE.

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AND THEN THIS IS THE MOST RECENT. THIS WAS AS OF THURSDAY.

WE HAD TRAFFIC OFFICERS WORKING RED LIGHT ENFORCEMENT ON HIGHWAY 78 VEHICLE RUNS.

RED LIGHT TRAFFIC OFFICER TRIES TO STOP IT. IT FLEES.

THE VEHICLE FELL TO STOP. PURSUIT ENSUES. CHILDREN WERE OBSERVED IN THE VEHICLE.

WE HAVE I HAVE BRAGGED ABOUT OUR DETECTIVE UNIT QUITE A BIT.

THEY HEAR THIS GOING OUT OVER THE RADIO. THEIR CONCERN IS, DO WE HAVE POSSIBLY ABDUCTED KIDS? WHY? YOU KNOW, WHY IS THIS PERSON RUNNING? IT'S JUST A RED LIGHT AND YOU'VE GOT KIDS IN THE CAR.

SO THEY START DOING THEIR WORK BEHIND THE SCENES AND EVENTUALLY, NOT NECESSARILY GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT IT'S PROBABLY NOT AN ABDUCTION, BUT THEY THEY TRACK DOWN SOME DATA AND THE PURSUIT ENDED UP BEING TERMINATED BECAUSE IT WAS TOO DANGEROUS TO CONTINUE WITH KIDS IN THE CAR.

THE VEHICLE WAS REGISTERED, SOMEBODY OUT OF GRANBURY WHO HAPPENS TO BE IN A NURSING HOME, OBVIOUSLY NOT THIS PERSON, RIGHT. THAT CAR HAD GOTTEN SOLD TO SOMEBODY ELSE, THEN GOT SOLD AGAIN.

SO NOW IT'S ON ITS SECOND OWNER SINCE THE REGISTERED OWNER.

SO NOTHING YOU COULD REALLY TIE BACK TO ALPR BASED ON MOTOROLA SYSTEM.

THEY ARE ON SOME TOW TRUCKS AND IT KEPT PINGING AT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THE AREA, AND THE DETECTIVES DO WHAT THE DETECTIVES DO AND TRACK DOWN ALL BASICALLY IDENTIFIED THE OCCUPANTS OF THE VEHICLE AND FOUND OUT THAT THIS WAS AN ONGOING PROBLEM IN SEVERAL PLACES, AND THAT THE GUY LIKELY USES THE KIDS AS A WAY TO GET US TO DISENGAGE.

SO THE DRIVER NOW HAS FELONY WARRANTS FOR EVADING ARREST AND TWO COUNTS OF ENDANGERING A CHILD.

ONCE AGAIN, THAT CASE PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN SOLVED WITHOUT LPR TECHNOLOGY.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE MYTHS VERSUS THE FACTS.

EVERYONE THINKS FLOCK CAMERAS CAN TRACK EVERYWHERE YOU GO. OR LPR CAMERAS CAN TRACK EVERYWHERE YOU GO.

THIS IS AN IMAGE I CREATED ON AI. THIS IS THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE THINK WE SEE VERSUS WHAT WE ACTUALLY SEE.

LPR TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT CREATE A MAP. IT TAKES IMAGES OF LICENSE PLATES AND.

BUT IT DOESN'T TELL US ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN BETWEEN.

THESE ARE COMMON MYTHS. ALL DRESSED, ALL FOUR OF THEM AT ONCE.

THEY SELL OUR DATA. FLOCK HAS BEEN HACKED. FLOCK CAMERAS ARE NOT PASSWORD PROTECTED.

FLOCK CAMERAS USE ANDROID PLATFORM FROM 2021.

AFTER THE COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE HAD IN FEBRUARY, I SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR ALL OF THESE TO BE ADDRESSED.

SO ONE, IT'S IN THE CONTRACT. WILY PD OWNS OUR DATA AND WE DETERMINE WHO WE SHARE WITH BASED ON A RECIPROCAL AGREEMENT.

WE SHARE DATA. WE GET DATA. ALL DATA IS HOUSED IN THE AMAZON WEB SERVICES.

GOV CLOUD FLOCK CLOUD ENVIRONMENT ENVIRONMENT HAS NEVER BEEN BREACHED.

THE CAMERA. A LOT OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT FLOCK CAMERAS IS BASED ON A VIDEO ON YOUTUBE.

AND THE CAMERA THAT WAS USED IN THAT WAS AN UNCONFIGURED CAMERA.

WHEN WE GET A CAMERA IT'S CONFIGURED. SO IT WAS EQUATED TO ME TO BE LIKE, WHEN YOU BUY YOUR IPHONE AND IT'S UNCONFIGURED, IT HAS A STANDARD PASSWORD. WELL, THAT IT'S THE SAME WITH THIS KIND OF TECHNOLOGY.

AND THEN FLOCK LPR CAMERAS ACTUALLY RUN ON THEIR OWN PLATFORM OF FLOCK OS, WHETHER THEY ONCE RAN ON ANDROID, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT WAS IT DOES NOT CURRENTLY RUN ON ANY KIND OF ANDROID PLATFORM.

FLOCK RECORDS RECORD, I'M SORRY, FLOCK RECORDS CONVERSATIONS OR USE FACIAL RECOGNITION.

IT TAKES TAKES IMAGES OF THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE, DOES NOT HAVE ANY VIDEO OR AUDIO RECORDING CAPABILITIES.

THIS IS MERGING OF ALL KINDS OF OTHER TECHNOLOGIES THAT THE COMPANY HAS DABBLED IN, BUT NOTHING THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY LIMITS.

ALPR PROVIDES POLICE WITH DRIVER INFORMATION.

IT DOES NOT. WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT LICENSE PLATE IMAGE, RUN THAT LICENSE PLATE THROUGH THE SAME SYSTEM THAT WE RUN YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE AND LICENSE PLATE THROUGH. IF YOU GET STOPPED ON TRAFFIC, IT TAKES A MANUAL MOVEMENT OVER TO THAT SYSTEM OR ANY OF THE OTHER DATABASES THAT WE HAVE. ALL IT DOES IS IT GIVES US THAT THAT LEAD OF, OKAY, THIS IS THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER, AND WE TRACK EVERYTHING ELSE DOWN FROM THERE.

POLICE CAN SEARCH ANY LICENSE PLATE THROUGH LPR WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION BY OUR DEPARTMENT POLICY AND SETTINGS.

OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED TO ENTER A CASE NUMBER WHICH SHOWS ON AN AUDIT LOG.

WE CAN CHECK THAT CASE NUMBER DURING AN AUDIT TO VERIFY THAT THE SEARCH WAS AUTHORIZED.

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I'VE HEARD THIS ONE A LOT LATELY. COURTS HAVE RULED USE OF ALPR DATA IS TRACKING OF VEHICLES.

THIS IS A MARCH OF 2026 CASE OUT OF THE FIFTH CIRCUIT, AND IT IS HELD THAT THE USE OF LPR SYSTEM TO IDENTIFY PORTER'S VEHICLE DID NOT VIOLATE THE FOURTH AMENDMENT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY IN MOVEMENTS ON PUBLIC ROADS OR IN LICENSE PLATE INFORMATION, AND THE LPR DATA WAS NOT AS COMPREHENSIVE AS CELL DOT CELL SITE LOCATION DATA.

SO THAT WAS IT WAS UPHELD BY THE FIFTH CIRCUIT.

SO I WILL TELL Y'ALL, I WAS A CRITIC OF THIS KIND OF TECHNOLOGY WHEN IT FIRST STARTED COMING OUT.

AND SO I WAS ESPECIALLY SENSITIVE TO SOME OF THE SECURITY THINGS AND JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID IT RIGHT.

SO THERE WAS A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT JUST SAT AROUND AND DISCUSSED THE SAFEGUARDS THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE FROM IMPLEMENTATION.

THESE WEREN'T KNEE JERK REACTIONS. THIS WAS FROM IMPLEMENTATION AND TAKING PART OF A A GROUP OF PEOPLE'S SUGGESTIONS AND LOOKING AT CASES ALL. AT THE TIME THE CASES WE COULD FIND WE REQUIRED A CASE NUMBER AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A SCREENSHOT OF THE SEARCH FROM FROM MY COMPUTER. THIS WAS ME JUST TAKING A SCREENSHOT OF WHAT'S REQUIRED.

YOU NOTICE WHERE THE STARS ARE. IT IS AUDITED AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH AND THE AUDITS ARE DOCUMENTED.

WE JUST STOLE A FORM FROM THE ALLEN POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HELP RECORD THOSE AUDITS IN A MUCH MORE THOROUGH WAY.

WE REQUIRE THAT OFFICERS VISUALLY CONFIRM ALL LICENSE PLATE INFORMATION FROM THE VEHICLE AND RUN THE VEHICLE THROUGH A STATE OR FEDERAL SYSTEM BEFORE ANY ENFORCEMENT ACTION IS TAKEN. NOW, THIS ONE, WE WE DID HAVE TO REINFORCE JUST BECAUSE WE STARTED SEEING A LOT OF THE NATIONAL CASES WHERE IT WOULD HAVE EITHER A WRONG READ OR IT WAS A VEHICLE THAT WAS ENTERED AS STOLEN BUT HAD BEEN CLEARED AND THERE WAS A GAP IN THE TIME.

SO WE REITERATED TO THE OFFICERS THAT A FLOCK HIT ALONE IS NOT PROBABLE CAUSE IN OUR DEPARTMENT.

TO JUST STOP THE VEHICLE, YOU NEED TO MAKE VISUAL SIGHT OF THE LICENSE PLATE AND GO WITH WHAT NCIC DICTATES TO YOU.

AND THEN WE REQUIRED MULTI-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION TO LOG IN FROM THE WORD JUMP FROM WHEN WE FIRST STARTED IT.

JUST RECENTLY, WE ADDED THE FLOCK TRANSPARENCY PORTAL TO OUR WEBSITE.

SO YOU CAN CLICK ON THAT LINK AND IT WILL TELL YOU HOW MANY CAMERAS WE HAVE.

IT'LL TELL YOU HOW MANY HOTLIST WE HAVE. IT WILL TELL YOU WHO WE SHARE DATA WITH.

IT HAS SOME SUCCESS STORIES, NEWS STORIES FROM AROUND THE NATION AND IT WILL HAVE JUST VARIOUS INFORMATION ABOUT FLOCK.

FLOCK IS THE ONLY VENDOR I KNOW OF THAT DOES THAT.

NO ONE ELSE HAS A TRANSPARENCY PORTAL THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT WE CAN PUT THIS KIND OF DATA OUT.

WE ALSO ALLOW PUBLIC ACCESS TO DO THEIR OWN LIMITED INFORMATION AUDITS.

I SAY LIMITED INFORMATION BECAUSE I OWE IT TO EVERY CITIZEN THAT DRIVES BY ONE NOT TO RELEASE THEIR LICENSE PLATE NUMBER TO AYE TO THE CITIZEN.

RIGHT. SO THIS IS THE DATA THAT YOU CAN YOU CAN GET BASED ON A PUBLIC AUDIT, PUBLIC INFORMATION AUDIT THAT YOU CAN RUN FROM OUR WEBSITE. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO DO AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FLOCK HAS RECENTLY IMPLEMENTED IS SOMETHING CALLED AUDIT ASSIST.

AND IT WORKS WITH CERTAIN ALGORITHMS, AND IT WILL ALERT SUPERVISORS AND ADMINISTRATORS OF THE SYSTEM IF THERE'S ANY SUSPICIOUS BEHAVIOR.

NOW THAT IS A NEW THING FOR THEM. THIS WAS SOMETHING WE WERE DOING MANUALLY, BUT THIS IS GOING TO HELP US TO HOPEFULLY CATCH THINGS EARLIER, WHICH I WILL TELL YOU, IN TWO YEARS WE HAVE NOT HAD A SINGLE ISSUE OF VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENT POLICY, BUT I THINK THAT'S PARTIALLY BECAUSE WE HAD THE GUARDRAILS UP IN PLACE TO BEGIN WITH.

AND WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF VALUABLE TOOL THIS IS, AND WE'D HATE TO LOSE IT.

SO THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WAS ACTUALLY A FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH US, AND THAT WAS DONE TO HELP LOCK IT IN FOR FIVE YEARS, LOCK IN THAT PRICE SO THAT WE DIDN'T COME IN AT $27,000.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN NEXT YEAR, NOW THAT YOU'RE HOOKED, WE'RE NOW AT $40,000 AND THEN $50,000.

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IT WE KNOW HOW VENDORS DO. AND THIS IS VERY COMMON IN A LOT OF CONTRACTS.

IT'S DONE AS AN AUTO RENEWAL SO THAT IT DOES GIVE US AN OUT EVERY YEAR IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO RENEW IT.

AND SO IT DOES AUTO RENEW. I WILL 100% AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN STRANG'S CONCERN BECAUSE I EXPRESSED CONCERN INITIALLY THAT, YEAH, YOU HAVE THIS LINK THAT YOU CLICK ON TO GET TO THE MASTER SERVICES AGREEMENT AND HOW THAT CAN CHANGE.

BUT THAT THAT WAS WHEN I WAS TOLD BY FLOCK AND BY EVERYBODY INVOLVED THAT IT GOES BACK TO WHATEVER THE TERMS WERE WHEN YOU FIRST SIGNED UP.

SO I GO BACK TO THERE'S BEEN SOME GAME CHANGING TECHNOLOGY IN MY 27 YEARS IN THIS PROFESSION, AND THIS IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THEM. THIS IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE SINCE DIGITAL FORENSICS AND ALL THE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT REALM. AND YOU ALL KNOW HOW VALUABLE THAT TOOL IS TO US.

I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, CHIEF WALTERS.

COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. CHIEF WALTERS, THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL.

THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL WITH ALL THE INFORMATION OR QUESTIONS THAT WE ARE SEEING OR I AM SEEING THE QUESTION THAT I WANTED TO FIND OUT SINCE WE DO SHARE WITH THE RECIPROCAL AGREEMENT DO, DO ALL OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE TO ABIDE BY OUR TERMS AND POLICIES IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE CAMERAS THAT ARE IN THE CITY OF WYLIE? THEY DO. WE CAN'T HOLD THEM TO, TO CERTAIN POLICIES.

WE JUST, WE KNOW WHAT OUR POLICY IS ON SEARCHING THE DATA.

AND WE, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN RESTRICT TO SEE WHAT EVERY OTHER AGENCY'S POLICIES ARE.

DO WE HAVE A HISTORICAL LOG OF WHO ACCESSES THOSE CAMERAS? YES. IF, IF A OFFICER IN ANCHORAGE, ALASKA, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M GOING JUST AS FAR OFF AS I CAN.

IF THEY RUN A SEARCH AND IT SEARCHES THROUGH OUR DATABASE, IT DOES ENTER AN AUDIT LOG ON THERE.

NOW, DO WE HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO TO THAT? WELL, WE CAN GET IT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT DATA THEY ACTUALLY GOT IN RETURN. IT DOESN'T MEAN WHATEVER VEHICLE THEY SEARCHED EVER ENTERED OUR CITY.

IT COULD JUST BE THAT THEY'RE THEY SEARCHED A LICENSE PLATE, AND THEY SEARCHED OUR INFORMATION TO SEE IF IT'S THERE.

DO WE HAVE ANY PROTOCOLS IN PLACE THAT, YOU KNOW OF THAT IN OUR AUDIT PROCESS THAT WOULD RED FLAG.

HEY, USERS OUTSIDE OF OUR AREA ARE CONSISTENTLY ACCESSING CAMERAS WITHIN OUR CITY.

NO, WE DON'T HAVE THERE, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING.

THE AUDIT ASSISTANCE TOOL IS GOING TO ALERT THEIR DEPARTMENT.

YEAH. OF THE INFORMATION. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO BE ADDED.

WOULD YOU THINK? I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE IF EVERY DEPARTMENT, IF EVERY DEPARTMENT RUNS, SEARCHES AND IT, THEY, IT HAPPENS TO HIT WITH OUR DATA BECAUSE WE SHARE IT UNDER A RECIPROCAL RECIPROCAL AGREEMENT.

YOU'RE TALKING POTENTIALLY HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS A DAY.

AND SO US GETTING ALERTED FOR SOMETHING THAT OCCURS IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION.

NOW IT ALL DOWNLOADS TO A CSV FILE. AND I'M SURE THERE MAY BE TECHNOLOGY EVENTUALLY THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO PARSE THROUGH THAT.

BUT EVERY, EVERY AGENCY THAT SHARES WITH THAT AGENCY WOULD NOW BE GETTING AN ALERT SAYING THAT THIS INFORMATION WAS FOUND BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE THE IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S ON AN ISLAND.

DO YOU DO YOU KNOW OF ANYTHING WITHIN FLOCKS SPECIFIC SET UP PER DEPARTMENT THAT REQUIRES SOME OF THE CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT WE'VE PUT INTO PLACE ON OUR OWN.

AS FAR AS KNOWING OTHER DEPARTMENTS OR HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES OR WHAT THOSE ARE LIKE A MINIMUM THRESHOLD.

YES. THEY HAVE STARTED BEEFING THAT KIND OF STUFF UP VERY, VERY LIKE WITH A LOT OF THIS BACKLASH, THEY'VE STARTED BEEFING UP SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE NOW THEY REQUIRE MULTI-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION.

NOW THEY REQUIRE AUDIT ASSISTANCE. NOW THEY REQUIRE CASE NUMBERS TO BE ENTERED.

NOW THEY REQUIRE THE REASON FOR THE OFFENSE WHICH THOSE ARE ALL SAFEGUARDS WE PUT IN PLACE A LONG TIME AGO.

NOW IT'S A, IT'S A REQUIREMENT BY THEM. THEY ARE ALSO ABOUT TO GIVE US ANOTHER TOOL.

IT JUST HASN'T BEEN RELEASED TO US YET THAT WILL ALLOW US TO LIMIT WHAT OFFENSES OTHER AGENCIES CAN SEARCH OUR DATA FOR.

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LIKE, I DON'T WANT OUR OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, SEARCHING FOR IMMIGRATION REASONS OR FOR TRAFFIC INFRACTIONS.

I DON'T WANT THEM SEARCHING OTHER PEOPLE'S DATA.

SO I'M GOING TO LIMIT THAT FOR MINOR OFFENSES THAT THE OTHER AGENCIES CAN'T SEARCH, DON'T NEED TO BE.

BUT IF IT'S FOR A KIDNAPING, A VIOLENT CRIME OF SOME TYPE, THEN YOU CAN SEARCH OUR DATA.

AND I THINK THAT WILL LIMIT A LOT OF IT. AND ALMOST, I MEAN, WE WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE BY TEXAS BEFORE WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE SYSTEM ANYWAY, TO BE ABLE TO GET IT TO CONNECT.

AND I, I KNOW WE KEEP SAYING FLOCKING. YOU MENTIONED THAT THE LICENSE PLATE READERS ARE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT COMPANIES. SO THE SAME POLICIES THAT WE HAVE FOR FLOCK, WE HAVE FOR ALL THE OTHER ONES.

YES, OURS ARE OURS ARE IDENTICAL, EVEN THOUGH THE.

THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENCES IN THE IN THE SYSTEM.

WE MADE OUR POLICIES IDENTICAL TO. NO MATTER WHAT VENDOR IT IS, THAT WAY IS EVERYTHING PROGRESSES.

IT CAN KIND OF GROW WITH IT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT WE HAD OR KNEW WE HAD, YOU KNOW, YEARS PREVIOUS. RIGHT. I'LL DEFER TO THE OTHERS.

THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU. MAYOR. CHIEF WALTERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE DETAILED PRESENTATION.

WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS FOR ANY OFFICER OUTSIDE OF OUR UNITS SEARCHING THE BLOCK DATA? IF THEY'RE NOT SEARCHING FOR THE RIGHT REASONS, FOR THE WRONG REASONS? IS IT BASED ON POLICE DEPARTMENT SETTING THEIR POLICIES? IS THERE A STATE AND A FEDERAL RAMIFICATION, LIKE A FELONY TYPE OF RAMIFICATION, IF THEY'RE SEARCHING FOR THE WRONG REASONS, IF YOU ARE MISUSING THE INFORMATION WITH THE INTENT TO OBTAIN ANY TYPE OF BENEFIT.

SO THAT'S A PRETTY OPEN TERM THAN IT IS A FELONY OFFENSE IN STATE OF TEXAS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

YES. WHAT ABOUT OTHER STATES THAT HAVE ACCESS TO OUR DATA? I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE LAWS ARE IN IN EVERY STATE, BUT I DO KNOW IN TEXAS THAT THERE IS AND THERE'S STORIES ALL THE TIME ABOUT OFFICERS GETTING CHARGED WITH MISUSE OF OFFICIAL INFORMATION.

AS I SAID ON, ON IN FEBRUARY, GO BACK AND LISTEN.

I WASN'T WORRIED ABOUT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. MY MAIN THINGS WERE TWO THINGS.

ONE IS. YOU KNOW HOW OUR DATA IS BEING SHARED WITH OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND HAVING THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THE DATA SHARED BY THE OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS. SO I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT OUR POLICE AND THE DEPARTMENT THAT WE USE IT BASED ON THE POLICIES AND AUTHENTICATIONS THAT WE'VE PUT FORTH ON THE DATA BEING USED FOR. I ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT HOW OTHER AGENCIES ARE GOING TO USE OUR DATA AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MISUSE.

NOW, IT MAKES ME FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER ABOUT THE GUARDRAILS THAT HAVE FLOCK HAS PUT AROUND IT.

BUT ALSO NO ONE HAS SEEN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE ABOUT MISUSE AND HOW, HOW DOES ONE IDENTIFY THAT IT'S BEING MISUSED? WELL, THE AUDIT ASSISTANCE IS GOING TO MAKE IT A WHOLE LOT EASIER WHEN WE RUN OUR AUDITS INTERNALLY.

SOME THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE RED FLAGS.

ANYTIME YOU HAVE DATA ISSUES. YOU HAVE THE SAME OFFICER RUNNING THE SAME PLATE OR THE SAME PLATE PERIOD BEING RUN MORE THAN ONCE OR REPEATEDLY, SAME CASE NUMBER BEING USED FOR MULTIPLE PLATES.

BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY MEANS THE OFFICER IS GUILTY.

IT MEANS I NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, IF I SAW ON HOURS THAT THIS WAS SEARCHED FOR A CERTAIN CRIME AND I KNOW I HADN'T SEEN A REPORT OF THAT CRIME IN THE LAST 30 DAYS. LET ME LOOK INTO THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AUDIT LOG IT THERE ARE SOME CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO JUMP OFF THE PAGE AT YOU.

THE NEW FORM THAT WE JUST STOLE FROM ALLEN REQUIRES KIND OF A RANDOM CHECK OF CERTAIN CASE NUMBERS TO, TO FOLLOW UP ON IT. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE EXTRA PROTECTION.

BUT WHEN YOU SEE THESE AUDIT LOGS, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WHEN A PLATE GETS RUN MORE THAN ONCE OR TWICE.

AND IT'S A CSV FILE. IT'S A BASICALLY AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET.

AND YOU CAN SORT AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS WITH THE DATA AND, AND KIND OF GET RED FLAGS.

AND IF WORSE, I MEAN, YOU GO ASK THE OFFICER.

SO THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WILL POP UP AND LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE MAY BE A PROBLEM.

AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE OTHER AGENCIES, HONESTLY, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE GOTTEN IN TROUBLE FOR IT, IT WAS DONE. IT WAS SOMEBODY ALERTED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO AN ISSUE, BUT I DON'T THINK THOSE DEPARTMENTS NECESSARILY HAD ALL THE GROUND,

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YOU KNOW, ALL THE GUARDRAILS UP AND MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PERFORMING THE AUDITS VERY, VERY CLEARLY.

MY SECOND QUESTION IS YOU MENTIONED WE OWN THE DATA, BUT YET WE STORED IN AMAZON BACKUP, AMAZON WEB SERVICES, WEB SERVICES. HAVE THERE BEEN CASES WHERE THE DATA HAS BEEN BREACHED OUTSIDE OF OBVIOUSLY WYLIE AND AND STATE OF TEXAS AND HAS BEEN ACCESSED TO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE GUARDRAILS AROUND PROTECTING THAT DATA? AND THREE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE OWN OUR DATA? DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SHARE IT BASED ON THE INNER CHANGE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH OTHER FLOCK CITIES, OR WE TECHNICALLY DO NOT HAVE TO SHARE OUR DATA? IF WE DON'T SHARE OUR DATA, WE GET NO DATA. SO IF WE DIDN'T SHARE WITH AGENCIES OUTSIDE THE STATE OF TEXAS, WE WOULD STILL HAVE A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ABUSER IN LOUISIANA THAT COMMITTED A CRIME HERE, FLED LOUISIANA.

THE CASES THAT YOU READ ABOUT WHERE THE SUSPECT FLEES TO ANOTHER STATE, SOMETIMES WITH THE OFFENDER.

THOSE WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IF WE EVEN LIMITED IT DOWN TO.

WE DIDN'T SHARE OUR DATA WITH ANYBODY. WE DON'T GET DATA FROM FROM PLANO.

WE DON'T GET DATA FROM SACHSE. WE DON'T GET DATA FROM COLLIN COUNTY OR LAVON.

IF WE. YOU GET IF YOU SHARE DATA, YOU GET DATA.

OKAY. AND THEN WHAT ARE THE GUARDRAILS AROUND PROTECTING THE DATA FROM BLOCK BY ITSELF? I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT, I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY I'LL MENTION META, FACEBOOK, META, WHATEVER.

I MEAN, THEY'RE EVEN BEING HACKED AND THEY'RE A TECHNOLOGY COMPANY, ONE THAT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, BUILT FROM GROUND UP WITH ALL THE NUANCES AND ANTIVIRUSES AND PROTECTIONS ABOUT BEING BREACHED AND WHAT NOT, AND THEY'RE BREACHED FROM TIME TO TIME. YOU KNOW, TWITTER ELON MUSK, PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST TECHNOLOGICAL PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW.

I MEAN, HE'S FLYING TO THE MOON OR WHATNOT. HE GETS HACKED.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE GUARDRAILS THAT ARE PUT AROUND FLOCK AND FLOCKS, DATA THAT ARE GOING TO PROTECT THAT DATA FROM BEING HACKED AND BEING ACCESSED BY ANYBODY? REALLY, IN A SENSE? I'M NOT A LIKE, TRUE TECHNOLOGY GUY.

I'M NOT EITHER. SO. AND SO YOU CAN TALK TO ME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ENCRYPTION AND A LOT OF THAT STUFF.

I, I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE AMAZON WEB SERVER WEB SERVICE GOV CLOUD IS ONE OF THE MOST SECURE PLATFORMS THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT.

THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY RED FLAGS SINCE AT LEAST SINCE 2024 THAT I HAVE SEEN.

I KNOW THERE WAS ALL THE STUFF ON THE VIDEO, BUT A LOT OF THAT STUFF WAS, WAS INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF TOOK OFF, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF IT THAT WAS ALSO DEBUNKED.

AND MY, MY LAST QUESTION IS, I'VE SPENT A LOT OF LAST WEEK ROAMING AROUND THE CITY AND TALKING TO CITIZENS ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

I THINK IT'S CLEAR TO SAY THAT WE HAVE OVER 200 EMAILS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED ABOUT FLOCK AT AT DIFFERENT STAGES.

A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'VE GOT FOURTH AMENDMENT AND I, I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR THIS.

I DIDN'T CHOOSE THIS. EVEN THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY IF WE OPEN OUR IPHONES TODAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FLOCK, FLOCK IS GOING TO SHOW UP ON ALL OF OUR IPHONES ABOUT A BILLION TIMES HERE IN A MINUTE.

AND THE ANSWER IS I CHOSE TO SIGN UP FOR THIS, NOT FOR THE FLOCK.

YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE IS OTHER METHODS OF SEARCH.

THAT LICENSE PLATE SEARCHES THAT YOU MENTIONED. I BELIEVE THERE WAS MOTOROLA AND A FEW OTHERS THAT YOU SHOWED UP IN THERE.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE ANSWER ABOUT? THERE ARE OTHER VENDORS OUT THERE. AXON HAS ITS PRODUCT.

MOTOROLA HAS ITS PRODUCT, BUT THESE ARE NOT BY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT OR OUR CITY.

WE HAVE WE DO HAVE SOME MOTOROLA CAMERAS. THOSE WERE WE HAVE, I BELIEVE TEN IN-CAR UNITS. THOSE ARE THE MOBILE LPRS. THOSE HAVE BEEN AROUND SINCE LIKE THE MID 2000, BUT THE WE JUST GOT THOSE WHEN WE UPGRADED THE MOTOROLA SYSTEM AND IT WAS A, BASICALLY A GIMME BY THE VENDOR. SO THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS NO COST IMPACT TO THAT.

AND THEN THEY GAVE US THREE FIXED LPRS AS WELL THAT ARE, ARE MOTOROLA.

THERE'S A CONVERSATION AROUND FLOCK AND THEN THERE'S A CONVERSATION AROUND LPR.

AND IT'S REALLY, IT HAS TURNED INTO REALLY ONE CONVERSATION WHERE EVERYTHING IS LIKE, WELL,

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FLOCKS A VIOLATION OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. WELL, FLOCKS OF VIOLATION, THEN.

SO ARE THESE OTHER VENDORS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

BUT THE COURTS HAVE UPHELD LPR TECHNOLOGY ALL THE WAY THROUGH, AT LEAST AS FAR AS IT'S GOTTEN SO FAR.

SUPREME COURT HASN'T RULED YET. OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, CHIEF WALTERS.

THAT WAS VERY DESCRIPTIVE. IT WAS A NICE WALK THROUGH. I REALLY LIKE THE FACT THAT WE GOT AHEAD OF THIS AND COME UP WITH GUARDRAILS, UNLIKE SOME OTHER FOLKS. I WANTED TO JUST DOUBLE CHECK A COUPLE THINGS.

I THINK I HEARD CORRECTLY THAT FLOCK THEMSELVES HAVE ESTABLISHED GUARDRAILS SUCH THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY RESTRICT WHAT TYPES OF CRIMES OTHER OUTSIDE AGENCIES CAN LOOK FOR.

DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY? THAT THAT IS A NEW UPDATE THAT IS, WE'RE WAITING ON.

OKAY. AND AS SOON AS THAT UPDATE BECOMES AVAILABLE, OUR COMMAND STAFF HAS ALREADY DISCUSSED, WE'RE GOING TO SIT DOWN AND START GOING THROUGH A CHECKLIST OF, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO SEARCH FOR.

AND THESE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE NOT. OKAY, COOL.

AND THEN WHAT INFORMATION DO THE OTHER. I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY DO HAVE TO PROVIDE AT LEAST SOME BASIC INFORMATION ON THEIR SEARCH DURING THEIR QUERY OR, AND WHAT WOULD THOSE BE? YES. SO I'LL JUST GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE.

SAME EXACT AS WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE. YES. SO YOU HAVE TO ENTER A CASE NUMBER.

YOU HAVE TO ENTER THE OFFENSE TYPE. YOU CAN'T JUST ENTER OTHER.

YOU HAVE TO THERE'S A DROP DOWN THAT GIVES YOU CERTAIN OFFENSES.

IF IT DOESN'T FALL UNDER ANY OF THOSE, THEN YOU YOU CAN'T DO IT.

CAN'T EVEN SUBMIT IT, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SUBMIT IT.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEARCH FOR THE VEHICLE SIGNATURE.

SO YOU COULD LIKE THE BLACK CHEVY EQUINOX OR THAT TRAVERSE HAD THESE.

AND IT. WOULDN'T HAVE PICKED THESE UP BECAUSE THE SIDE OF THE VEHICLE THEY HAD THESE LITTLE BULLET HOLE STICKERS.

WELL, IF THERE'S LIKE A BIG THING ON THE BACK WINDOW OR A STICKER ON THE BACK WINDOW, YOU COULD TELL IT TO, HEY, GIVE ME ALL GRAY SEDANS WITH A BUMPER STICKER ON THE RIGHT SIDE, AND IT CAN SEARCH CERTAIN DETAILS LIKE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW GRANULAR IT GETS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FULL CAPABILITIES ARE BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE WHAT'S CALLED FREE FORM.

THAT'S ONE OF THE SERVICES THAT GETS CRITICIZED QUITE HEAVILY BECAUSE IT ALLOWS YOU BROADER SEARCH TERMS. AND I, I'M NOT A TECH GUY, SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY DRAW THAT LINE, BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO, FOR OUR OFFICERS TO SEARCH AND, BUT THE OUTSIDE AGENCIES ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE THE SAME KIND OF INFORMATION DURING THEIR SEARCHES.

NOW THEY DO. NOW THEY DO. OKAY. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.

SO THE BARE MINIMUM THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN OFFENSE TYPE OF REASON, A CASE NUMBER. I'M GOING TO PUT IN SOME KIND OF VEHICLE DESCRIPTOR.

IT'S KIND OF USELESS. YEAH. EITHER A LICENSE PLATE NUMBER. TAKE ALL THE STICKERS OFF MY CAR. GET THAT DENT FIXED.

NOTE TO SELF. OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT THAT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY TAKEN THE TIME TO KIND OF DO A MUCH DEEPER DIVE, DISPEL SOME OF THE MYTHS THAT WE'VE HEARD, IDENTIFY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT FLOCK IS ACTUALLY EVEN IN THE MIDST OF CHANGING.

IN FACT, I DID NOTE THAT THEY HAD UPDATED THEIR T'S AND C'S ON THEIR WEBSITE ON THE 17TH AND THEN AGAIN ON THE 21ST, PROBABLY TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THIS STUFF. IT SEEMS THAT THEY'RE STARTING TO BE A BIT MORE ACTIVE.

I WON'T SAY REACTIVE OR PROACTIVE, I JUST DID, BUT I WILL ANYWAY.

AND ACTUALLY GETTING IN FRONT OF SOME OF THIS STUFF. SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT SOUNDS PRETTY REASONABLE TO ME.

YOU KNOW, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THINGS LIKE THE EXPANDED SURVEILLANCE.

I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM BROUGHT IT UP. THE FACT OF HER PHONES.

I'M NOT GOING TO BUY ANY NEW CARS ANYTIME SOON.

AS LONG AS THE KILL SWITCH CRAPS IN THERE. MAINLY OUT OF SAFETY.

AND IT'S JUST THE STATE OF AFFAIRS THAT WE HAVE IN THE WORLD TODAY.

AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT ESPECIALLY THE SHOOTING THAT WE HAD EARLIER THIS YEAR, JUST HOW SWIFTLY THEY WERE ABLE TO BE IDENTIFIED AND CAPTURED BEFORE THEY COULD DECIDE TO SHOOT SOMEBODY ELSE. AND I, I THOUGHT I HEARD AT THE TIME THEY ACTUALLY SHOT THE GUY IN THE BACK.

HE WAS RUNNING AWAY FROM HIM OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. WE HAVE THE COURTS THEMSELVES HAVE TO JUST SEVERE AND FINAL IS WHAT THEY NEED TO DO WITH SOME FOLKS. AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN HAVE NICE THINGS AGAIN.

SO AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I NEVER REALLY HAD ANY DOUBTS THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE DOING ANYTHING WRONG. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IMPRESSED WITH THE COMMITMENT, SERVICE AND ETHICS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT TOOL AND THAT YOU'RE USING IT IN GREAT WAYS.

I, I STILL HAVE CONCERNS, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE FLOCK HAS REALLY TAKEN SOME GOOD STEPS TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THOSE.

THANKS AGAIN. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU AT THIS TIME.

COUNCILMAN PICKENS I TAKE THAT BACK. COUNCILMAN PICKENS THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU FOR WALKING US THROUGH THE DATA THAT YOU HAVE TO PRESENT TO US.

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I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU. OKAY. IF YOU DON'T MIND.

YOU MENTIONED THE MOTOROLA PSI AND I WAS AWARE OF THE IN-CAR LPRS THAT YOU HAVE.

COULD YOU TELL ME THE NUMBER OF TOTAL LPRS THAT WE OPERATE IN THE CITY? WE HAVE WE HAVE EIGHT FLOCK CAMERAS. ONLY SIX OF THEM, ACTUALLY FIVE NOW BECAUSE WE DID HAVE ONE DAMAGED LAST WEEK.

FIVE UP RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO OF THE MOTOROLAS UP AT THE FIXED LPR.

THE THIRD ONE HAS NOT BEEN INSTALLED. AND THEN WE HAVE A TOTAL OF TEN OF THE MOBILE LPR, WHICH BASICALLY JUST RUNS THROUGH OUR IN-CAR VIDEO. OKAY. THANK YOU. HOW DID ONE GET DAMAGED? IT WAS VANDALIZED. OKAY. THE CASE NUMBER ENTRY ON THIS FORM THAT'S A GOOD THING. IS THE CASE NUMBER CHECKED AGAINST AN EXISTING CASE NUMBER? WHAT DATA IS PUT INTO THE CASE NUMBER FIELD THAT ALLOWS THE SEARCH TO CONTINUE.

AND IS THAT CASE NUMBER THEN VERIFIED AFTER IS LEGITIMATE.

TECHNICALLY, IF YOU ENTER ANYTHING INTO THAT FIELD, THEN IT IT WILL GO THROUGH, BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT POPS UP REAL BIG ON AN AUDIT. IF YOU'RE DOING AN AUDIT AND IT'S NOT AN EIGHT DIGIT NUMBER STARTING WITH A 26, THEN THAT'S A RED FLAG. DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THE SYSTEM TAKES BEFORE IT FLAGS THAT AS AN ISSUE? IT THE WAY THE AUDIT ASSISTANCE WILL WORK, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS IT WILL NOTIFY SUPERVISORS WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS, BUT WE DO OUR. LATELY, WE'VE BEEN GETTING SO MANY OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS THAT WE'VE BEEN RUNNING AUDITS ABOUT EVERY ROUGHLY TWO WEEKS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO LOOK THROUGH IT AND SEE, EVERY TIME I RUN AN AUDIT, I MIGHT AS WELL LOOK THROUGH IT AND SEE WHAT I CAN SEE AND TRY TO GET AHEAD OF ANYTHING. SO AT LEAST IF WE, YOU KNOW, TURN THIS DATA OVER TO THE PUBLIC, WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO DEAL WITH IT FIRST AND ADDRESS IT FIRST.

SURE. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO KNOW THIS ANSWER, BUT I WANT TO ASK IT ANYWAY.

DO YOU KNOW THE NUMBER OF MISUSE CASES THAT HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED THROUGH FLOC UP TO THIS POINT? LET'S JUST SAY DURING 2026. OH, GOSH. NO. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE NUMBER WITH THE WILEY POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ZERO.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK.

I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T THINK YOU WOULD PROBABLY KNOW, BUT I AM CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THAT IS. I DO KNOW THEY EXIST, SO IT'S NOT A NON-FINITE NUMBER, BUT I AM CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THAT IS.

I TRIED TO FIND THAT DATA MYSELF. I WAS UNABLE TO.

I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING ON IT. YEAH. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE AT THIS TIME.

SO THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I KNOW WE HAD A NUMBER OF CITIZENS WHO HAD SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, SO I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US THAT PRESENTATION.

I'D LIKE TO GIVE EVERYONE WHO SIGNED UP THEIR CHANCE TO SPEAK NOW, AND WE MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR YOU AFTER THAT.

OKAY. SO I WOULD ASK WHEN I CALL YOU TO COME UP, I'LL DO MY BEST IF I GET YOUR NAME A LITTLE WRONG.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME. WHEN YOU STEP FORWARD, IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES IN WHICH TO ADDRESS COUNCIL UNLESS OFFICIALLY REPRESENTING A GROUP.

SO THE FIRST FORM THAT I HAVE HERE THIS EVENING IS ZACHARY TODD.

ZACHARY TODD, 600 WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY. IF I'D KNOWN THE PRESS WAS GOING TO BE HERE, I WOULD HAVE RUN A COMB THROUGH MY HAIR.

THANK YOU, WILEY CITY COUNCIL FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT MY CONCERNS OVER THE USE OF FLOCK CAMERAS AND AND SIMILAR TECHNOLOGIES.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED. THANK YOU, WILEY PD, FOR THE PRESENTATION, WHICH CUT ABOUT HALF OF MY SPEECH.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE TRUTHFULNESS OF ANYTHING THAT WE HEARD.

I ONLY ASSUME THAT IT IS TRUE. I GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, AND THIS IS NOT THE FORUM TO ARGUE AGAINST THOSE THINGS.

SO I WILL NOT READ UP. I WON'T BRING ANYTHING BACK UP THAT WE ALREADY JUST TALKED ABOUT.

I WILL, HOWEVER, ASK THAT YOU. THINK VERY DEEPLY TO YOURSELF.

WE HAVE ALL THESE GUARDRAILS. WE HAVE ALL THESE SYSTEMS IN PLACE AND THAT'S GREAT.

WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT CHANGES? WHAT HAPPENS IF THE TECHNOLOGY, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, EVOLVES?

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IF THE GUARDRAILS IN PLACE NO LONGER EXIST, IF FLOC NO LONGER PROTECTS OUR DATA THE WAY WE HAVE HEARD THAT IT DOES.

WOULD YOU GIVE THAT POWER TO SOMEONE YOU DISTRUST? BECAUSE EVENTUALLY THAT WILL HAPPEN. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT YOU, THE COUNCIL, INSTALL THESE CAMERAS TO SUPPORT THE PUBLIC GOOD.

I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT WILY PD IS NOT USING IT SOLELY FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD, BUT EVERY TOTALITARIAN GOVERNMENT, EVERY OPPRESSIVE SYSTEM BEGAN WITH ONE SMALL OVERREACH AT A TIME, ALWAYS IN THE NAME OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

WE SACRIFICE FREEDOM IN THE NAME OF SAFETY. WE WILL LOSE BOTH.

ALL I ASK IS THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS WHEN MOVING FORWARD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT THIS EVENING I HAVE AUSTIN GREGORY. I APOLOGIZE.

I WAS I WAS GOING TO WAIT FOR HIM TO COME UP. I BELIEVE YOU'RE REPRESENTING YOUR GROUP THIS EVENING. YES, I REPRESENT.

SO IF YOU'LL YOU'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES TO ADDRESS COUNCIL.

SO IF YOU WILL STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU CAN USE THE ORGANIZATION AS INSTEAD OF YOUR ADDRESS IF YOU PREFER.

SURE. SO MY NAME IS AUSTIN GREGORY AND I'M THE OWNER AND RUN THE ORGANIZATION D FLOCK WILEY.

I DIDN'T REALIZE I HAD SIX MINUTES. NOW I HAVE SO MUCH FUN TIME. NO.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. I ALREADY TOLD YOU, BUT MY NAME IS AUSTIN GREGORY.

I'M A RESIDENT OF WYLIE, AND I CAME BACK HERE IN FEBRUARY AND SPOKE AND HAVE SINCE CREATED A CAMPAIGN, DF.LOC WYLIE, WHICH YOU PROBABLY ARE FAMILIAR WITH.

I'M HERE TO DISCUSS, OBVIOUSLY, THE FLOCK SAFETY CAMERAS THAT ARE TRACKING OUR CITY THERE.

THESE AREN'T YOUR RUN OF THE MILL AR ALPR CAMERAS.

IT'S NOT JUST TRACKING YOUR LICENSE PLATE. IT IS LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S TAKING AI FINGERPRINTS OF YOUR CAR.

SO LIKE, IF YOU HAD A BUMPER STICKER THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, MAYOR ON IT OR WHATEVER, YOU COULD SEARCH MAYOR BUMPER STICKER AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT POPS UP. AND SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN JUST TRACKING OR TAKING PICTURES OF A LICENSE PLATE.

THAT'S LIKE TAKING A PICTURE OF THE ENTIRE CAR AND DOCUMENTING THE ENTIRE VEHICLE.

AND SO THAT'S BUILDING A NATIONWIDE SEARCHABLE DATABASE WITH ALL THIS INFORMATION.

AND YOU DON'T NEED A WARRANT TO DO THAT. I THINK WE BROUGHT UP THE PHONE EXAMPLE EARLIER, WHICH IS A GREAT ONE.

I THINK IT LINES UP PERFECTLY WITH WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY, BUT YOU NEED A WARRANT TO ACTUALLY TRACK THAT DATA FOR THE FLOCK INFORMATION, YOU NEED A CASE NUMBER. AND AS YOU KNOW, ASSISTANT CHIEF SAID, IT DOESN'T EVEN REALLY NEED TO BE A CASE NUMBER.

IT'S JUST SOME NUMBERS IN A FIELD RIGHT NOW, WHICH THEY MIGHT CATCH TWO WEEKS TO A MONTH DOWN THE LINE.

AND TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING HAPPENING OR ANYTHING BAD THAT THE WYLIE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN LIKE SOME OF THE BEST, YOU KNOW, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS I'VE INTERACTED WITH. AND SO IT'S MORE LIKE GINO WAS SAYING, IT'S MY CONCERN ABOUT THE OTHERS. IN TWO WEEKS, MORE THAN 700 PEOPLE SIGNED A PETITION ASKING YOU ALL TO DISCONTINUE AND NOT RENEW THE CONTRACT. I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT PETITION TO YOU GUYS, IF YOU WISH.

AND SOME OF THEM MAY BE EVEN IN THE ROOM TONIGHT. OUR ASK IS SIMPLE DECLINE THE RENEWAL WITH A WRITTEN NOTICE BEFORE SEPTEMBER 13TH.

IT COSTS NOTHING. BUT IF YOU DO NOTHING, THE CONTRACT RENEWS ITSELF FOR ANOTHER $54,000 AND ANOTHER TWO YEARS OF CONTRACT TIME.

THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE AROUND. THE DATA I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT AS WELL IS IF YOU LOOK IN THERE, IT THE CONTRACT AND THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS TO YOUR POINT STATES THAT WYLIE OWNS THE DATA.

BUT THE VERY NEXT LINE SAYS THAT FLOC HAS AN IRREVOCABLE LICENSE TO YOUR DATA.

AND SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WE OWN OUR DATA, BUT THEY'RE FREE TO USE IT FOR HOWEVER THEY WANT BECAUSE WE'VE GRANTED THEM A LICENSE TO THAT DATA.

SO THERE WAS NO CRIME WAVE TO REALLY JUSTIFY INSTALLING THESE IN WYLIE.

WYLIE WAS ALREADY BEING NAMED ONE OF THE SAFEST CITIES IN TEXAS.

YEAR AFTER YEAR, IT SHOWED UP ON A LIST BEFORE THE CAMERAS EVEN, YOU KNOW, WERE PUT UP, WHICH IS AWESOME.

AND THAT WASN'T THE CAMERAS. LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS OUR AWESOME POLICE FORCE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE CRIME RATES, THEY WERE JUST STAGGERING DOWN, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN TO 2024 WHEN THE LIGHTS OR WHEN THE PLATES, SORRY, THE CAMERAS WERE INSTALLED. ONCE THIS DATA LEAVES WILEY, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ANYONE ELSE IS DOING WITH IT UNTIL WE DO A AUDIT. AND THIS ISN'T A KNOCK ON OUR OFFICERS, IT'S JUST PART OF THE SYSTEM.

THAT'S HOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUILT. ANY OUTSIDE AGENCY CAN SEARCH THE CAMERAS.

AND WE'VE HAD MORE THAN 90,000, YOU KNOW, SEARCHES, PROBABLY MANY, MANY MORE.

THAT'S JUST WHAT I COULD COME UP WITH, WITH THE AUDIT LOGS I HAD WHEN SOMEONE ASKED, YOU KNOW,

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ASSISTANT CHIEF WALTERS BACK IN FEBRUARY, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF GONE OVER THIS, BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO LIMIT THAT.

AS LONG AS WE ARE SHARING THE DATA IN A RECIPROCAL MANNER.

MANNER. MISUSE OF THE DATA IS NOT HYPOTHETICAL.

IT'S HAPPENED MANY TIMES, AT LEAST 27 OFFICERS ACROSS 18 DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN FIRED, CHARGED OR DISCIPLINED FOR ABUSING THESE SYSTEMS, AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE BEEN CAUGHT, OR ONLY ONES THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND OUT.

ON FRIDAY, JUST A FEW DAYS AGO, A GRAND JURY INDICTED A LUFKIN POLICE OFFICER ON 100 FELONY COUNTS FOR USING FLOCK TO TRACK 11 PEOPLE. AND THEN LUFKIN POLICE CHIEF TURNED AROUND AND DISABLED THE CAMERAS.

AND EVERY SAFEGUARD WE'VE DOCUMENTED OR TALKED ABOUT TODAY, YOU KNOW, FLOCK ONLY IMPLEMENTED THOSE AFTER THEY WERE CAUGHT, JUST LIKE A REACTIVE TYPE THING. THEY'VE NEVER ACTUALLY CARED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF OUR DATA BECAUSE EVERYTHING HAS ALWAYS BEEN ONCE THE PUBLIC OUTCRY HAS HAPPENED, IT'S NEVER PROACTIVE. IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE NOT ANTI POLICE.

I LOVE YOU GUYS AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BAN THE TOOLS FOREVER.

STOLEN CAR HITS AMBER ALERTS, SHOOTINGS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

OUR ALERTS THAT WOULD WORK THE SAME UNDER A FUTURE PLAN WHERE WE WOULD ASK FOR WARRANTS FOR THOSE.

WE DON'T WANT TO SWAP FOR FLOCK OR WE DON'T WANT SWAP FLOCK FOR AXON, LEONARDO OR ANOTHER VENDOR.

AND AT LEAST 30 OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES HAVE ALREADY WALKED AWAY FROM THEIR CONTRACTS WITH FLOCK.

I HOPE YOU WILL JOIN THEM. SEND THE NOTICE WHILE IT'S FREE.

AND IF WILEY EVER WANTS CAMERAS AGAIN, PUT IT TO A PUBLIC VOTE WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE TOLD PLAINLY WHAT CAMERAS COLLECT BACKED BY WARRANTS FOR SEARCHES, NO OUTSIDE ACCESS WITHOUT ONE, AND A SHORTER RETENTION OF DATA.

ONE MEMBER OF THE BODY ONCE SAID HE'D LIKE A CAMERA ON EVERY STREET, CORNER AND ALLEY, AND RESPECTFULLY, THE RESIDENTS NEVER GOT A SAY IN EVEN ONE OF THESE CAMERAS.

AND NOW THEY'RE SPEAKING OUT. AND TONIGHT YOU CAN FINALLY GIVE THEM A VOICE.

PLEASE VOTE TO SEND THE NON-RENEWAL NOTICE TO FLOCK AND GET FLOCK OUT OF OUR CITY.

THANK YOU. NEXT I HAVE SARAH BLACKSTOCK. AND IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES IN WHICH TO ADDRESS COUNCIL.

OKAY. MY NAME IS SARAH BLACKSTOCK AND MY. I LIVE AT 613 MORNING LIGHT LANE IN WYLIE.

I'M A PRACTICING ATTORNEY AND I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS RELATED TO PRIVACY I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TODAY.

AND I'M ASKING YOU TO VOTE TO SEND FLOCK THE NOTICE OF NON-RENEWAL AND END THE USE OF ALPR HERE IN WYLIE IN GENERAL.

LAST MONTH, OUR OWN LOCAL CONGRESSMAN SELF INTRODUCED H.R.

9017, THE PRIVACY ACT IN THE U.S. HOUSE, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE ALL FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO GET A WARRANT BEFORE THEY ACCESS THE DATA THAT COMES FROM THESE SYSTEMS, JUST LIKE WE HAVE HERE. HE EXPLAINED HIS REASONING FOR THE BILL AS FOLLOWS.

AND I QUOTE AMERICANS, FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHT TO BE SECURE IN THEIR PRIVACY DOES NOT DISAPPEAR JUST BECAUSE OF NEW TECHNOLOGY OR ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

AMERICANS HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO BE SECURE IN THEIR PERSONS, HOUSES, PAPERS, AND EFFECTS.

AND OUR GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO GET A WARRANT BEFORE INVADING THAT PRIVACY. THIS BILL SIMPLY RESTORES THAT PROTECTION.

WHILE I APPRECIATE THE WORK OUR LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES, I'M SURE ACCESSING AND I'M SURE ACCESSING THE FLOCK CAMERAS MAKE INVESTIGATIONS EASIER AND QUICKER. IN SOME CASES, THEY'VE BEEN SOLVING CRIMES LONG BEFORE FLOCK OR ANYTHING LIKE IT EXISTED, AND THE RISKS OUTWEIGH THE REWARDS. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF ANY DRAMATIC REDUCTION IN CRIME DUE TO THE DUE TO THEIR USE.

AND THERE ARE STORIES COMING OUT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, AND I EXPECT THEY'LL CONTINUE TO COME OUT ABOUT THE MISUSE OF THE DATABASES BY OFFICERS WHO, WHEN FACED WITH THEIR DEPARTMENT'S REQUIREMENT TO PUT IN A REASON FOR THE SEARCH JUST LIKE OUR DEPARTMENT REQUIRED, THEY SIMPLY PUT IN A REASON THAT'S FALSE AND RUN A SEARCH ON SOMEONE THAT SHOULD NEVER BE SEARCHED FOR AND HAVE NO LEGAL REASON TO BE SEARCHING AT ALL.

DURING THE FEBRUARY MEETING WHEN THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, I HEARD A FEW MENTIONS BY BOTH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND POLICE THAT THIS MASS SURVEILLANCE IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS WHAT SMARTPHONES DO TO US EVERY DAY.

BUT WE'RE NOT CHOOSING BETWEEN GOING OFF THE GRID OR HAVING A SMARTPHONE AND THEN ACCEPTING WIDESPREAD GOVERNMENT TRACKING.

AS A RESULT, A PERSON CAN LEAVE THEIR PHONE AT HOME OR AVOID CERTAIN APPS DEPENDING ON THEIR LEVEL OF COMFORT.

PERSONALLY, I USE AN IPHONE BECAUSE OF APPLE'S HISTORY OF STRONG PRIVACY PROTECTIONS FOR USERS AND THAT THEY REQUIRE A WARRANT TO ACCESS MY DATA.

HOWEVER, NONE OF US ON THE ROADS CAN SIMPLY ELECT TO AVOID PASSING THESE CAMERAS ALONG THE WAY TO PROTECT OUR PRIVACY.

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BACK IN FEBRUARY AND TONIGHT AGAIN, I ALSO HEARD THE ARGUMENT THAT THESE CAMERAS AREN'T USED TO ACTUALLY TRACK ANYONE.

WHILE THAT'S TRUE ON THE FACE WITH A NETWORK OF OVER 120,000 CAMERAS SPREAD ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND THE IMAGES SEEM TO BE BROADLY SHARED BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS, AS WE'VE HEARD MULTIPLE TIMES, THEY CAN DO EXACTLY THAT, RESULTING IN THE ABILITY TO CONDUCT PERVASIVE WARRANTLESS TRACKING FORBIDDEN BY CARPENTER V US IN 2018 AND EXPANDED IN PROTECTIONS EXPANDED EARLIER THIS YEAR IN THE US, WHICH RULED THAT USING GEOFENCING TO GRAB BULK CELL PHONE DATA IN AN AREA IS A FOURTH AMENDMENT SEARCH AND REQUIRES A WARRANT.

THIS IS A PROCESS POLICE STARTED IN 2016, AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR TEN YEARS UNTIL THE SUPREME COURT STOPPED THEM.

I'M ASKING YOU TO END USE OF ALPR IN WYLIE IN WYLIE, AND IF YOU DO CONTINUE THEM TO PLEASE PUT SERIOUS SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE, LIKE A SECOND SET OF EYEBALLS CHECKING BEFORE ANY SEARCH HAPPENS OR LIMITING WHAT OUTSIDE CITIES CAN ACCESS WHAT THAT THEY CAN ONLY SEARCH FOR MAYBE MURDERS OR KIDNAPINGS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NEXT I HAVE RILEY CURTIS.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS RILEY CURTIS. I LIVE AT 205 RUSH CREEK DRIVE.

MY OPPOSITION TO FLOCK CAMERAS CAN BE SUMMED UP IN TWO WORDS FLOCK FOR NOW.

FLOCK CAMERAS ARE ONLY USED TO SOLVE CRIMES. FOR NOW, ACCESS IS RESTRICTED TO AUTHORIZED USERS.

FOR NOW, FOOTAGE IS ONLY STORED FOR A MAXIMUM OF 30 DAYS FOR NOW.

BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THOSE CONDITIONS OR LEADERSHIP CHANGES OR THE GOALPOSTS MOVE? WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK. WE ALREADY KNOW. YOU CAN LOOK AROUND THE COUNTRY TO SEE EXAMPLES OF THIS HAPPENING ALL OVER, ONLY SOLVING CRIMES. FLOCK CAMERA MISUSE HAS BEEN REPORTED IN 12 STATES, INCLUDING IN TEXAS, AS OUR EARLIER SPEAKER SAID, LUFKIN 100 FELONY COUNTS.

THEY HAVE BEEN USED TO STALK FORMER PARTNERS, FAMILY MEMBERS AND RUN SEARCHES FOR NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT MEMBERS ILLEGALLY.

FLOCK HAS ADDED THESE GUARDRAILS, YES, BUT I THINK THIS IS LATE TO THE GAME.

THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE BEGINNING. ACCESS IS RESTRICTED.

WELL, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THAT IS ALSO FALSE.

WHERE THINGS THINGS CAN BE HACKED EASILY. I HAVE FIVE AND A HALF YEARS IN CYBERSECURITY.

I HAVE A BACHELOR'S AND A MASTER'S IN CYBERSECURITY.

MY FATHER IS UNABLE TO MAKE IT. HE HAS 41 YEARS IN IT, 27 IN CYBERSECURITY.

AND WE WILL TELL YOU REPEATEDLY THAT THE ONLY THAT CYBERSECURITY HAS TO WIN EVERY SINGLE TIME.

HACKERS ONLY HAVE TO WIN ONCE. THE ONLY WAY TO ENSURE THIS DATA CANNOT BE TAKEN AND USED AGAINST THE COMMON CITIZEN IS BY NOT STORING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. THIS IS A PANDORA'S BOX.

ONCE IT HAS BEEN OPENED, THERE IS NO PUTTING THE LID BACK ON IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.

WE ARE TOLD YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT IF YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG.

BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE EITHER. THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE CASES WHERE FLOSSI HAS MISIDENTIFIED A VEHICLE BASED ON FAULTY INFORMATION OR MISUSE OF THE AI. THIS HAS TRIGGERED WRONGFUL ARRESTS WHERE GUNS HAVE BEEN DRAWN, DOGS HAVE BEEN DEPLOYED AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ARRESTED AND LOCKED UP FOR WEEKS BEFORE THE PROBLEM WAS CAUGHT. HISTORICALLY, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.

HAS BEEN USED TO STRIP RIGHTS FROM CITIZENS. ONCE YOU LOSE THOSE RIGHTS, IT IS DIFFICULT SLASH IMPOSSIBLE TO GAIN THEM BACK.

AND TO THOSE WHO WOULD TELL ME THAT I SHOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE UP A SMALL AMOUNT OF MY FREEDOM IN ORDER TO FEEL MORE SECURE, I SAY TO YOU THIS. THOSE WHO WOULD GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY TO PURCHASE A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR SAFETY.

FROM BENJAMIN FRANKLIN. THANK YOU. AND I YIELD MY TIME.

THANK YOU. NEXT THIS EVENING, I HAVE JOE HOWARD. JOE HOWARD. 1950 EAST STONE ROAD. SO I WANT TO ZERO IN ON ONE WORD IN PARTICULAR, WHICH IS AUTOMATIC.

THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL OF THIS CONTRACT IS A PROBLEM, TO PUT IT SHORTLY.

REALLY, THE QUESTION IS, DOES THIS COUNCIL AND THIS COMMUNITY EVER GET ANOTHER SAY ON WHETHER WE WANT FLOCK CAMERAS,

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THESE TOOLS OF THE SURVEILLANCE STATE DEPLOYED IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK THAT TERMS LIKE AN AUTOMATIC CONTRACT RENEWAL SAY NO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GET ANOTHER SAY.

IT'S ON THE, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS TO COME TOGETHER, PUT TOGETHER A PETITION AND MANAGE TO GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA JUST TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TODAY. SO I WOULD ASK, WHY IS IF FLOCK SAFETY AND FLOCK CAMERAS ARE SO VALUABLE FOR COMMUNITY SAFETY, WHY IS THERE THIS SORT OF CLOAK AND DAGGER TACTIC OF RENEWING THIS FOR THIS COMPANY? I DON'T KNOW. IT'S A STANDING QUESTION. PLENTY HAS CHANGED OVER THE LAST YEAR.

OVER 80 CITIES AND COUNTIES IN 28 STATES HAVE WALKED AWAY FROM FLOCK.

MOUNTAIN VIEW, EVANSTON, SOUTH PASADENA. A UNANIMOUS NO FROM DENVER.

MOUNTAIN VIEW PULLED HIS CAMERAS AFTER FINDING OUT FLOCK HAD SHARED ITS LICENSE PLATE DATA WITH HUNDREDS OF OUTSIDE AGENCIES, SOME OF THEM FEDERAL, WITHOUT THE CITY EVER AGREEING TO IT. RING, AMAZON'S COMPANY, CUT ITS PARTNERSHIP THIS YEAR RIGHT AFTER, AS I'M SURE YOU ALL REMEMBER, A NATIONAL AD ACCIDENTALLY SHOWED EVERYONE HOW FAR THIS DATA REALLY TRAVELS.

FLOCK KNOWS IT HAS A PROBLEM. TWO WEEKS AGO, THEY ANNOUNCED THEY'RE CUTTING THE DEFAULT RETENTION FROM 30 DAYS TO SEVEN, WHICH IS SOMETHING I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THE WILY PD INCLUDE THEMSELVES ON ADDING MANDATORY AUDIT TOOLS AND REQUIRING A CASE NUMBER FOR EVERY SEARCH.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A PAUSE THERE. I WENT AND DOWNLOADED THE CSV FROM OUR TRANSPARENCY PORTAL.

WHEN I COMMEND YOU GUYS ON STANDING THAT BACK UP. WE COULD SEE CASE NUMBERS SUCH AS NAGPD GARLAND C O.

NOW, WHILE I WOULD LIKE TO ASSUME THAT ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE CONDUCTING THOSE SEARCHES ARE DOING IT IN GOOD FAITH, WITH GOOD INTENTION TO SOLVE A REAL CRIME, THE LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY IS THERE.

I WOULD ASK, WHAT IS THE OUTCOME OF THESE AUDITS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING? ARE WE PURSUING CHARGES OR AT LEAST AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MISUSING OUR CITY'S TAX FUNDS IN THE FORM OF A FLOCK DATABASE SEARCH.

IT'S UNCONSCIONABLE, QUITE FRANKLY. RIGHT. IF WE WANT TO CONDUCT THESE AUDITS, I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME LEVEL OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY.

WHAT YOU KNOW. RIGHT. IN A COME ON, GUYS, THIS IS THE SAME PROBLEM THAT YOU SEE WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT CASES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, POLICE OFFICERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE GOING AND ENTERING THINGS LIKE TEST OR N A OR, YOU KNOW, REALLY JUST INSERT ANY RANDOM WORD INTO THIS CASE NUMBER FIELD WHERE THERE IS NO VALIDATION AND NO ACCOUNTABILITY UNLESS THEY USE IT TO ACTIVELY HARM SOMEONE WHO FINDS OUT AND THEN CHASES THAT THROUGH THE LEGAL SYSTEM. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME.

I YIELD MY TIME. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT THIS EVENING I HAVE BOB ULRICH.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL STAFF. FIRST RESPONDERS.

BOB O'LEARY, 503 STONEHEDGE, JUST RIGHT OFF EAST STONE.

THANKS FOR THAT. THE ROAD LOOKS GOOD. TO COUNCIL MEMBER STRANG'S POINT.

WE'RE BEING TRACKED. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. YOU GOT CAMERAS IN YOUR LAPTOPS, CAMERAS IN YOUR DESKTOPS, DASH CAMS, BODY CAMS, TRAFFIC CAMS AT EVERY INTERSECTION.

RING DOORBELLS. PHONE CAMERAS ON YOUR PHONES HAVE CAMERAS.

RED LIGHT SPEED CAMS IN SOME CITIES, TOLLWAY CAMERAS.

THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE, IN MY MIND, IS A VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION.

YOU KNOW, THESE ARE MASS SURVEILLANCE OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC WITHOUT A WARRANT.

AND I WANT TO THANK THE CHIEF. GOOD PRESENTATION.

ANSWERED A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER PRESENTERS. THE ISSUE IS THIRD PARTY DATA SHARING.

YOU GOT A THIRD PARTY HERE, PRIVATE COMPANY, THAT CAN'T SHARE THE INFORMATION, WHICH HAS BEEN ADMITTED BY EVERYONE HERE.

AND THERE'S BAD ACTORS EVERYWHERE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE. AND THEY CAN BE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN ACCESSING THE INFORMATION IN OUR CITY. AND WE ALL KNOW REMEMBER NINE OVER 11, RIGHT? REMEMBER THE PATRIOT ACT. REMEMBER THE ABUSES OF FISA.

Y'ALL REMEMBER THAT. THERE'S BAD ACTORS EVERYWHERE.

COULD HAPPEN HERE TOO. ARTICLE IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL TODAY.

THEY HAD THEIR FLOCK THAT HAS HAD THEIR ANNUAL CONFERENCE LAST WEEK WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT IN ATLANTA.

MEDIA WAS BARRED FROM THE MEETING. SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. WHY WOULD THEY NOT ALLOW MEDIA TO COVER IT? THEY CURRENTLY HAVE 120,000 CAMERAS IN 49 STATES.

AND THE OTHER COMPANIES, THE POINT ARE VIGILANT SOLUTIONS AND MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS ARE TWO OF THE OTHER COMPANIES THAT COMPETITORS LIKE MOTOROLA HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WASN'T TOUCHED ON YET AND FLOCK IS ALSO GOING TO BE ROLLING OUT DRONES.

AND WE ALREADY HAVE THE DRONES GOING OVER OUR HOUSE DELIVERING SOMEBODY CHICK FIL A, IT'S LIKE A FLYING LEAF BLOWER, YOU KNOW? AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT, TOO. IT SEEMS TO BE A BIG CONCERN IN THE FUTURE. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO RENEW IT, YOU MAY HAVE YOUR MINDS MADE UP ALREADY.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO RENEW THE CONTRACT, LIMIT IT TO 12 MONTHS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO REVISIT IT. AND IT'S BECOMING A BIG ISSUE NATIONWIDE, JUST LIKE WITH DATA CENTERS. A

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LOT OF PUSHBACK RIGHT NOW. PEOPLE ARE GOING, WAIT A MINUTE, DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT IT'S A PRIVACY CONCERN.

AND I THINK OUR GUYS ARE SOLID. BUT AGAIN, IT COULD BE ABUSES FROM OUTSIDE OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

NEXT THIS EVENING I HAVE JOSE PORRAS. SO AGAIN, JUST LIKE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS, IF YOU'LL START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. JOSE FOREST, 1731 PINEWOOD DRIVE.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE THIS MUCH OUTPOURING. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO COME ON A NON AGENDA ITEM. BUT I'M GLAD THIS IS ON THE AGENDA AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN UP HERE TO TALK WITH CITY COUNCIL. SO I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ASK CITY COUNCIL TO SEND FLOCK SAFETY A WRITTEN NOTICE OF NON-RENEWAL, TERMINATE THE CITY OF WILEY'S CONTRACT WITH FLOCK, AND TO STRONGLY CONSIDER DISCONTINUING THE USE OF FLOCK CAMERAS IN WYLIE.

GOING FORWARD. FLOCK SAFETY PRESENTS THEIR FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEMS AS A SIMPLE AND EFFECTIVE TOOL THAT AIDS LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN SOLVING CRIMES AND THEREFORE MAKING NEIGHBORHOODS SAFER. AND EVERYONE WANTS A SAFE COMMUNITY.

AND IN FACT, THAT'S WHY I MOVED TO THE CITY OF WYLIE, BECAUSE IT IS A SAFE COMMUNITY.

NONETHELESS, GOOD INTENTIONS DO NOT AUTOMATICALLY MAKE A CONTRACT WITH A PRIVATE COMPANY COMPANY WISE, EFFECTIVE, OR ACCEPTABLE. AS HAS BEEN NOTED BY THE PUBLICITY FLOCK, SAFETY HAS BEEN RECEIVING FLOCK CAMERAS DO MORE THAN ASSIST LAW ENFORCEMENT AND RESPONSE RESPONDING TO SPECIFIC CRIMES. THEY HAVE SHOWN THAT THEY ARE EFFECTIVE IN RECORDING AND STORING INFORMATION AND CREATING PERMANENT, SEARCHABLE RECORDS OF HOW ORDINARY, LAW ABIDING CITIZENS LIVE THEIR DAILY LIVES, WHERE WE DRIVE, WHEN WE TRAVEL, AND HOW OFTEN OUR VEHICLES APPEAR IN PLACES.

THIS CONSTANT SURVEILLANCE CREATES A SERIOUS CONCERN.

WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO ASSUME THAT OUR MOVEMENTS ARE BEING TRACKED TO FEEL SAFE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

PRIVACY IS NOT SOMETHING RESERVED FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG. IT IS A BASIC FREEDOM THAT PROTECTS EVERYONE.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE DO NOT NEED TO SACRIFICE THE ANONYMITY OF OUR DAILY LIVES TO FEEL SAFE.

THERE ARE ALSO QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO CAN ACCESS THIS DATA, HOW LONG IT IS RETAINED AND WITH WHOM IT MAY BE SEARCHED, WHICH I'M GLAD THAT YOU ALL HAVE BROUGHT THAT UP.

AND CHIEF WALTERS TRIED HIS BEST TO ANSWER THOSE CAMERAS.

BUT LIKE I SAID, IT SEEMS TO BE A SHIFTING GOALPOST, GOLF GOALPOSTS AND FLOCK CAMERA SEEMS TO BE A REACTIVE COMPANY, NOT A PROACTIVE COMPANY IN THE WAY THEY ARE CONDUCTING BUSINESS.

SO TECHNOLOGY INTRODUCED FOR ONE PURPOSE CAN GRADUALLY BE USED FOR OTHERS.

INFORMATION COLLECTED TO INVESTIGATE STOLEN CARS COULD LATER BE USED TO MONITOR POLITICAL ACTIVITY, IDENTIFY PEOPLE ATTENDING SENSITIVE, SENSITIVE APPOINTMENTS, OR TRACKING INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOT ACCUSED OF ANY CRIME.

ONCE THIS INFORMATION EXISTS, AS HAS BEEN PUBLICLY SEEN MISUSE AS POSSIBLE, WHETHER IT'S BECAUSE OF POOR OVERSIGHT, UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS, OR CHANGING POLICIES IN THE FUTURE.

CLEARLY WILEY PD IS, YOU KNOW, HAS PUT UP THE EFFECTIVE GUARDRAILS.

BUT MY BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THE USE BY OTHER OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT OR JUST OTHER AGENCIES SAFETY AND PRIVACY ARE NOT OPPOSING VALUES. WE SHOULD PURSUE BOTH, BUT EXPANDING SURVEILLANCE IS NOT A PATH TO SAFER NEIGHBORHOODS, AND IT SHOULD NOT BE ADOPTED SIMPLY BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY EXISTS.

MY TIME IS RUNNING OUT. BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK THE, THE USE OF, OF THIS TECHNOLOGY AND ITS ALPR TECHNOLOGY, LIKE THE CHIEF SAID LICENSE PLATE READING TECHNOLOGY HAS EXISTED FOR A WHILE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE CAMERAS YOU KNOW, MOTOROLA AND AXON, THERE'S OTHER COMPANIES, OTHER VENDORS THAT MAKE THIS AVAILABLE, SOMETIMES AT NO COST.

SO FOR THESE REASONS, I URGE YOU TO DISCONTINUE THE USE OF FLOCK CAMERAS AND WIDELY AND LET US KEEP OUR STREETS OPEN AND OUR MOVEMENTS PRIVATE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

NOW, I KNOW YOU INDICATED ON THIS FORM THAT YOU MAY NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT SINCE YOU COMPLETED THE FORM, I WILL ASK. I HAVE CHRISTINE WALK. OKAY. SHE HAD WRITTEN ON HERE SHE IS AGAINST FLOCK BUT DON'T NEED TO SPEAK. BUT IF YOU FILL OUT A FORM, I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

WITH THAT, I HAVE DYLAN NEGLEY.

AND IF YOU'LL START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES IN WHICH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. SURE. DYLAN.

ACTUALLY, I APOLOGIZE. LAVON. FOXWOOD. SO I GUESS I'LL DIFFER FROM MOST PEOPLE HERE.

I DON'T I'M NOT SURE IF WE SHOULD REALLY BE AGAINST THE SAFETY THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS MIGHT PROVIDE,

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LIKE A SORT OF SYSTEM OR SOMETHING. LIKE WE NEED TO, WE WANT TO ENSURE OUR SAFETY.

BUT MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T BE AGAINST WHAT IT MEANS TO BE WELL, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T EXACTLY UNDERSTAND IT.

AND I THINK I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON SPECIFICALLY.

LIKE PEOPLE, PEOPLE THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT.

AND THERE NEEDS TO BE MANAGEMENT. THERE NEEDS TO BE CLEAR TRANSPARENCY.

YOU KNOW, I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE MORE UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE OF THAT.

IF IF WE DO THAT BECAUSE I'VE GROWN UP IN WYLIE.

I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 96, 29 YEARS OLD. I, I WAS BORN IN GARLAND, BUT I'VE GROWN UP HERE ALL MY LIFE.

AND TO ME, WYLIE AS, AS THE RAILROAD SECTION USED TO BE CALLED NICHOLVILLE.

PLENTY OF RAILROADS COMING THROUGH HERE. WE NEED WE NEED TO HAVE INGENUITY AND.

IF THAT IF THAT MEANS WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY I DON'T THINK IT MEANS TRACKING PEOPLE. JUST JUST COMPLETE OVERSIGHT. COMPLETE SURVEILLANCE.

IT DOES MEAN SECURITY, THOUGH, TO SECURE WHAT WE BELIEVE.

RIGHT. AND I'M JUST NOT SURE.

I DON'T KNOW. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T SURE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WHAT I THINK. SO IT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.

SO I YIELD MY TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU.

OKAY. MISS STORM, I BELIEVE THAT WAS ALL THE FORMS THAT I HAD TURNED IN HERE.

DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHERS THAT WERE TURNED IN LATE TO YOU? NO. OKAY. SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD.

COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT TO CHIEF WALTERS OR STAFF AFTER HEARING FROM CITIZENS.

COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. CHIEF WALTERS, IT'D PROBABLY BE FOR YOU.

I WAS GOING TO CHECK ON THE AUDIT. THAT THIS GENTLEMAN ON MY LEFT HERE MENTIONED WHERE THERE WERE SOME CASE NUMBERS IN THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO LINE UP WITH OUR CASE NUMBERS.

I GUESS MAYBE YOU COULD RE REVISIT WHAT HAPPENS IF THOSE COME IN THAT WAY.

YES. AND I ASSURE YOU FIRST THING IN THE MORNING I WILL I WILL LOOK AT THOSE SPECIFIC ONES.

BUT FIRST THING THERE'S THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ROUTES.

IF IT'S CRIMINAL THEN THAT'S GOING TO BE INVESTIGATED AS A CRIMINAL MATTER AND AN ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS.

TWO SEPARATE INVESTIGATIONS THAT KIND OF RUN PARALLEL.

IF IT'S A DISCIPLINARY MATTER, IT WILL BE DISCIPLINED.

I ASSURE YOU WE ARE GOING TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF A TOOL THIS IS AND WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE IT.

TO FOLLOW UP ON OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATION AND THEN THE CONVERSATION YOU HAD WITH COUNCILMAN STRING.

BECAUSE I, I MIGHT HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD OUT THOSE THAT USE THE SYSTEM OUTSIDE OF OUR DEPARTMENT, DO THEY STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE A CASE NUMBER? SO THAT SCREEN YOU SHOWED THEY HAVE TO FILL THAT INFORMATION OUT.

ALSO, THAT IS A REQUIREMENT FROM FLOCK. NOW THAT ALL AGENCIES REQUIRE A DEPARTMENT CASE NUMBER, DO YOU KNOW. WELL I GUESS I CAN JUST STATE IF FLOCK IS RECEPTIVE TO HAVING A SET OF TERMS ON OUR CONTRACT RENEWAL WHERE MAYBE WE DRILL THAT IN A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS THOSE NOT BEING ABLE TO.

GO FORWARD WITH THEIR SEARCH IF THERE'S NOT A CASE FILE OR.

I DON'T KNOW, I'M TRYING TO. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A.

IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT I DO SEE THE PREDICAMENT ON ALL SIDES.

THAT IS A MANDATORY FIELD. AND WITH FLOC THEY MADE THAT A MANDATORY FIELD.

RECENTLY. WE CHOSE TO DO IT FROM THE BEGINNING OF OUR OUR CONTRACT AS ONE OF THE GUARDRAILS WE PUT IN PLACE AHEAD OF TIME,

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BUT WE COULDN'T ENFORCE THAT ON OTHER AGENCIES BECAUSE THERE THERE WE WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER NECESSARILY THEIR POLICIES.

BUT NOW IT IS MANDATORY FOR ALL FLOC CUSTOMERS IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATABASE AT ALL TO SEARCH IT, YOU HAVE TO ENTER A CASE NUMBER. OKAY. SO THEY'RE IN A WOULD STILL GET THEM THEORETICALLY PASSED, BUT IT SHOULD END UP RAISING A FLAG. IT IS A, IT'S A CHARACTER, SO IT'S GOING TO ACCEPT THAT.

BUT THAT IS A RED FLAG ON AN AUDIT. AND THAT'S THE KIND OF THING YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN YOU'RE DOING AN AUDIT.

YOU CAN SEARCH FOR THE ANOMALIES THE NON US THE EIGHT DIGIT CASE NUMBER THAT STARTS WITH 26 IS OUR CASE NUMBER. THERE'S SOME THAT WILL POP UP FROM TIME TO TIME FROM DETECTIVE MEEHAN DOING ICAP CASES THAT LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

BUT WE ALSO KNOW WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE. RIGHT.

AND WE'VE BEEN DOING AUDITS FOR HOW LONG NOW.

WELL SINCE WELL, AUGUST 24TH IS WHEN WE ENTERED INTO THE CONTRACT AND WE'VE BEEN DOING AUDITS REGULARLY SINCE THEN.

SO IF WE WERE TO LOOK BACK, WE COULD ASSUME THAT OUR LAST AUDIT WAS 30 DAYS AGO.

OR I WANT TO SAY IT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT TWO WEEKS WAS THE LAST TIME THAT I HAD TO PULL THE DATA FOR AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. I KNOW OUR CID LIEUTENANT ALSO DOES AUDITS.

BUT ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO I THINK WAS THE LAST ONE THAT I CAN.

SO JUST TO. AND SOME OF IT IS ME TRYING TO DRILL IN ON HOW HOW TIGHT WE'VE, WE'VE REVIEWED THAT AUDIT DATA LEADING UP TO NOW, IF WE, IF WE LOOK BACK, YOU KNOW, 60 DAYS, IF THERE'S CASE NUMBERS THAT DON'T MATCH AT ALL, WOULD THAT WOULD I BE SAFE TO SAY THAT WE'VE DUG INTO WHY THOSE DON'T MATCH OR WHAT THEIR REASONING IS? CORRECT. WE'VE, WE'VE DUG INTO ANYTHING THAT KIND OF STUCK OUT AS A RED FLAG AND NOTHING THAT WE COULD CLASSIFY AS MISUSE.

BUT WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH, HEY, THIS IS THE, THESE ARE THE PARAMETERS OF THE TOOL, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S USE IT WISELY. BUT IT LIKE NOTHING THAT VIOLATED POLICY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, JUST MAKING SURE THE GUARDRAILS AND THE BOUNDARIES ARE VERY CLEAR.

YEAH, THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT THAT HELPS. SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE, BUT I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP SINCE IT'S RELATED, THE AUDITS THAT WE'RE CONDUCTING.

THOSE ARE INTERNAL AUDITS, CORRECT? THEY ARE INTERNAL.

YES. SO FOR INSTANCE, IF THE DATA THAT THAT SHOWS, BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING IT MAY PULL ANYONE WHO SEARCHED OUR DATA AS OPPOSED TO JUST WILEY PD.

SO AND I'M, I DON'T THINK I'M ON TOO MUCH OF A LIMB BECAUSE I'M GOING TO ASSUME GPD.

I'M NOT GOING TO NAME NAMES, BUT I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT WHEN SOMEONE PUT THAT IN AS THEIR CASE, THAT WAS PROBABLY WHERE THEY WERE FROM. THAT WOULD BE MY.

AND WE DON'T CONTROL THAT. SO IF THEIR POLICY FLOCK MAY HAVE A POLICY THAT WE HAVE TO ENTER THAT.

BUT IF. GARLAND. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S. GARLAND.

THERE'S A LOT OF. GS. I APOLOGIZE IF ANOTHER DEPARTMENT SAYS WE'RE JUST GOING TO PUT IN.

I'LL USE US WPD WHEN WE SEARCH OUTSIDE OF WILEY, THERE'S NOTHING THAT GARLAND CAN DO OTHER THAN CUT US OFF FROM SHARING POTENTIALLY.

BUT OTHERWISE THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT OTHER THAN TELL US.

BUT IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO ACT, ESSENTIALLY, THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO.

THAT'S MY CONCERN. YES. OKAY. I HAVE I HAVE TWO COLLEAGUES THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING.

COUNCILMAN STRING. YEAH. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I THINK I CAN KIND OF GLOM ON TO WHAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.

SO I ASSUME THAT THERE'S SOME KIND OF A INDIVIDUAL USER ID THAT THE FOLKS OUTSIDE OF OUR AGENCY ARE USING WHEN THEY SEARCH.

IT'S NOT JUST SOME SHARED. CORRECT. THERE YOU HAVE EVERYONE HAS AN INDIVIDUAL USER ID.

OKAY. SO WE COULD. SO WE HAVE SOMETHING WE CAN GO BACK TO.

IF IF NECESSARY. YOU KNOW THE OTHER POINT THE MAYOR MADE TO LIKE, IF YOU HAVE A DEPARTMENT THAT'S JUST GOING TO ENTER IN JUNK, YOU KNOW, INTO THE FIELD, I'M SURE THERE COULD BE A WAY TO KIND OF CONVINCE THEM TO ENTER STUFF IN IF THEY WANT TO KEEP SHARING DATA.

I'M SURE THERE'S A WAY TO KIND OF WORK THAT OUT, ESPECIALLY LOCAL AREAS.

WE, A LOT OF US KNOW EACH OTHER. YEAH. AND SO WE'LL COMMUNICATE.

IN FACT, THIS FORM WE STOLE FROM ALAN WAS FROM JUST INTER-DEPARTMENTAL COOPERATION THROUGH A COMMANDERS MEETING.

OKAY. AND THEN YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE THING THAT WOULD PROBABLY BEHOOVE FLOCK.

SO THIS ISN'T REALLY SO MUCH FOR YOU. I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO SIT DOWN WITH ONE OF THE SALES ENGINEERS.

YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU DID MENTION IT EARLIER.

I THINK THAT THE ALERT OR MAYBE THE ALERTS NOT THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT, BUT THAT THE ALGORITHM MIGHT NOT SEND A NOTIFICATION TO A SUPERVISOR FOR A FEW

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DAYS. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT FLOCK, IF IT'S THEIR FLOCK ASSISTANCE, THAT'S THEIR TECHNOLOGY THAT THEY ROLLED OUT, RIGHT? YES. SO IT SHOULDN'T BE TOO HARD FOR THEM.

IT'S NOT ON YOU OF COURSE, BUT I SEE THE MEDIA IS HERE, SO MIGHT AS WELL USE IT.

FLOCK SHOULD BUILD IN A MONITORING SERVICE THAT HAS REAL TIME ALERTING NOTIFICATIONS, TRIGGERS AND EVENTS THAT INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS CAN CAN CONFIGURE AT WILL.

I SEE PLENTY OF OTHER PRODUCTS WITH THAT AND THEY SHOULD ALSO NOT CHARGE FOR IT.

SO JUST SAYING. I THINK THAT WOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY GET IN FRONT OF A LOT OF THINGS WHERE YOU HAVE A BAD ACTOR WHO'S HITTING ON A LICENSE PLATE FROM SPRINGFIELD, YOU KNOW, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND BOOM, IT CAN GO RIGHT OUT.

THERE ARE OTHER TYPES OF ALERTING THINGS WOULD PROBABLY HELP THEIR PRODUCT. SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN OUR FIRST AUDIT ASSISTANCE ALERT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY.

YOU HAVEN'T HAD PROBLEMS. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS SINCE. THAT HAS BEEN GOOD. SO, SO SO KNOCK ON WOOD.

BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT IN THEIR PRODUCT ANYWAY WOULD BE A BETTER IMPROVEMENT FOR EVERYONE. I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE SO I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

BUT AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR ALL THE INFORMATION, ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU ALL DO. THANK YOU.

AND I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE AN EASY DECISION.

THERE'S NO WAY ABOUT IT. I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE SOMETIMES YOU WAKE UP AND JUST WISH YOU WERE SICK.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HERE FOR. IT'S NOT HERE FOR THE EASY DECISIONS.

SO, MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU, MAYOR. CHIEF WALTERS, HOW LONG IS OUR DATA STORED? WE RETAIN IT FOR 30 DAYS. OKAY. MOST OF THE CASES THAT YOU PRESENTED AND I LOOKED AT, THEY WERE SOLD WITHIN 24 TO 48 HOURS.

AT LEAST. YOU CAUGHT WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR WITHIN 24 TO 48 HOURS.

IS THAT GOOD TO ASSUME OR NO? NO, SIR. THAT IS THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A SAFE ASSUMPTION.

SOMETIMES IT IS, BUT OUR DETECTIVES ARE WORKING ON A PLETHORA OF CASES, AND THEY MAY NOT EVEN GET A CASE ASSIGNED TO THEM WITHIN THE FIRST SEVEN DAYS. OKAY. SO YOU THINK THAT SAVING THE DATA FOR SEVEN DAYS, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR THE DATA TO BE ACCESSIBLE AND HELP SOLVE THE CRIME? I THINK THE SEVEN DAYS WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A KNEE JERK REACTION ON FLOCK'S BEHALF.

OKAY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE AND THE RELEASE THAT THEY SENT TO US.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STUCK OUT TO ME WAS THAT THEY SAID 90% OF PARTIAL PLATE SEARCHES, THAT'S A VERY SPECIFIC TERM.

A PARTIAL PLATE SEARCH WAS CONDUCTED WITHIN THE FIRST SEVEN DAYS.

WELL, THAT'S THAT'S A PARTIAL PLATE SEARCH. THAT'S IF WE ONLY GOT A PORTION OF THE PLATE.

AND WE'RE SEARCHING WILD CHARACTERS FOR THE OTHERS.

THAT'S A VERY SPECIFIC CASE TO DRAW SOME STATISTICS FROM, BUT THAT DOESN'T ENCOMPASS WHERE THERE IS EITHER A KNOWN PLATE OR NO PLATE WHATSOEVER. AND WE'RE SEARCHING LIKE THE BLACK EQUINOX.

SO THERE'S THE SEVEN DAYS IS WAS I BELIEVE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A KNEE JERK REACTION ON FLOCK'S BEHALF.

AND WE'VE MAINTAINED THAT WE'RE GOING TO STAY AT THE 30 DAYS UNLESS GIVEN DIRECTION BY Y'ALL TO CHANGE THAT.

BUT MY RECOMMENDATION IS SEVEN DAYS. WAIT, HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT YOU? IF WE WERE TO CHANGE IT TO SEVEN DAYS, I THINK THERE ARE CASES THAT IT WOULD JUST NOT BE.

IT WOULD NOT BE AS USEFUL OF A TOOL, AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO REALLY JUST REALLY EXAMINE.

THEY'RE THE ONLY VENDOR THAT WENT WITH THIS SEVEN DAY RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY. AND THEN IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER THAT YOU CAN SEARCH BY A DIFFERENT STICKERS IN THE CAR. IS THAT TRUE? CAN YOU SEARCH BY THAT? IF YOU WERE TO LOOK FOR A SPECIFIC VEHICLE OR A SPECIFIC CHARACTER WITHIN THE CAR BESIDES THE LICENSE PLATE? YEAH. WELL, YOU CAN'T SEARCH FOR ANYTHING LIKE INSIDE THE VEHICLE, NOT INSIDE.

OUTSIDE IF I HAVE, BUT IF WILEY ISD BADGE ON.

SO, LIKE, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE THE LITTLE WILEY ISD RIDING FOR THE BRAND STICKER.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP WHAT'S IN THAT STICKER.

IT'S NOT. YOU CAN ZOOM IN ALL YOU WANT TO, AND IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO PICK UP THAT SHARP OF DETAILS.

BUT IF YOU HAVE THE ENTIRE BACK WINDOW OR YOU HAVE A FAIRLY LARGE STICKER, IT, IT CAN PICK THAT STUFF UP.

SO LET'S SAY YOU HAVE YOUR LANDSCAPING BUSINESS ON THE BACK ON THE TAILGATE OF YOUR TRUCK.

WE CAN PROBABLY SEARCH THAT INFORMATION. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEARCH IF IT'S JUST A BUMPER STICKER THAT YOUR CHILD WAS AN HONOR STUDENT, OR YOU HAVE A CHEERLEADER AT WILEY HIGH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE CAN'T GET IT'S NOT THE CAMERAS AREN'T THAT GOOD A QUALITY.

OKAY. THEY'RE GOOD. NOT THAT GOOD. SO I CAN CONCUR WITH COUNCILMAN STRANG.

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AND SINCE I'VE BEEN BACK FOR A WEEK NOW, I'VE BEEN KIND OF DOING MY DUE DILIGENCE ON THESE CAMERAS.

AND IT'S NOT AN EASY DECISION EITHER WAY, BECAUSE IT'S A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN USE TO SOLVE A CRIME.

AND ANYBODY THAT COMMITS A CRIME SHOULD BE BEHIND BARS NO MATTER WHAT.

NO QUESTIONS ASKED. I THINK WE ALL HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE UNTIL WE NEED IT, AND ONCE WE IT'S NEEDED AND IT'S HAPPENING IN ONE OF OUR FAMILY MEMBERS, THEN IT GETS VERY TOUGH.

BUT ALSO TALKING TO EVERYBODY AND HEARING ALL THE NUANCES OF IT.

IT DOES SEEM LIKE FLOCK IS BRINGING A LITTLE BIT MORE REACTIVE THAN IT'S BEING PROACTIVE, AND I DON'T KNOW THE NUANCES OF IT.

IT'S A GREAT TOOLBOX FOR US TO HAVE AND TO SOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES.

I DO NOT TRUST OTHER AGENCIES. WE TALKED ABOUT LUFKIN, THAT THEY HAVE A CRIME COMMITTED BASICALLY FROM THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO OUR DATA AS WELL. SO THESE ARE THE NUANCES.

WHEN I'M SITTING ON THE SEAT, AND OBVIOUSLY I'M IN THE SEAT TO MAKE THE TOUGH DECISIONS THAT I'M BATTLING FOR PROTECTING OUR CITIZENS AND PROTECTING OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ALL THE TOOLS NECESSARY TO MAKE THE DECISION. RIGHT.

SO I DON'T KNOW THE NUANCES OF FLOCK AND HOW CAN WE LOOK AT IT? YOU KNOW, CAN WE LOOK AT IT FROM A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME INSTEAD OF COMMITTING FROM 12 MONTHS AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE I TRUST IN OUR AUDITING. BUT WHAT'S TO SAY THAT GARLAND OR ANY OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SORRY FOR GARLAND, IT'S BEEN MENTIONED. SO IT'S JUST THE FIRST THING THAT COMES OUT OF MY MIND. BUT WHAT'S TO SAY THAT THEY'RE DOING THE SAME AUDIT THAT WE ARE DOING? WE DON'T CONTROL THAT. WE CAN'T TELL THEM WHAT TO DO.

THEY MAY NOT EVEN DO IT AUDIT FOR THEIR OWN POLICE THAT IS SEARCHING OUR DATA.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE WHERE I'M WRESTLING HERE AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M DOING RIGHT BY ALL SIDES AND MAKE SURE THAT I GIVE YOU GUYS THE TOOLBOX NECESSARY TO SOLVE A CRIME AND HELP YOU DO RIGHT BY THE FAMILY OF THE VICTIM OR WHATEVER IT'S HAPPENING.

AND THEN ALSO PROTECT THE FOURTH AMENDMENT FOR OUR CITIZENS, WHICH IS, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE GIVE A LITTLE.

DO YOU GIVE AN INCH? THEY TAKE A WHOLE ARM. SO IT'S JUST ABOUT THE ABILITY TO FIND A MIDDLE GROUND HERE AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS AT LEAST FIGURING OUT A WAY, PATHWAY FORWARD. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR. OKAY.

SO I'D LIKE TO OFFER A FEW THOUGHTS. JUST BECAUSE I'VE BEEN A LITTLE QUIET TRYING TO LISTEN TO THE PRESENTATION.

COMPARING THAT TO WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR CITIZENS AS WELL AS SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS.

I DON'T LIKE DOING ANYTHING TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCILMAN STRINGS POINT THAT TAKES TOOLS OUT OF THE HANDS OF WILY PD.

I THINK WE HAVE A PD THAT IS SECOND TO NONE FROM BOTH A SKILLS STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO FROM AN ACCOUNTABILITY STANDPOINT.

I KNOW THAT YOU ALL BOTH YOURSELF, CHIEF, AND I DON'T KNOW, INTERNAL AFFAIRS IS WHAT THEY CALL IT ON, ON, ON, ON THE TV SHOWS. BUT I APOLOGIZE IT. AT THIS MOMENT THE EXACT.

WHAT. WHAT IS THE. PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS. PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS DEPARTMENT.

YEAH, IT'S ONLY I IF YOU'RE WATCHING TV. SO BUT I KNOW THAT THEY HOLD OUR OFFICERS TO THE HIGHEST STANDARD, SO MY CONCERNS ARE NOT WITH WILEY. MY CONCERNS ARE WE CONTINUE TO SEE MISUSE BY OTHER DEPARTMENTS, SOME OF WHICH ARE PARTNERS THAT WE SHARE DATA DATA WITH WITHIN THE STATE.

I HAVE CONCERN. I, I HAVE CONCERNS, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY WITH WHAT HAPPENS WITH US HAVING TO CONTINUE TO PAY THEM.

OBVIOUSLY, WE KNOW ABOUT CONGRESSMAN SELF PUSHING FOR WARRANTS AND THAT'S AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

BUT THERE'S JUST AS MUCH RUMBLING COMING FROM STATE REPRESENTATIVES ABOUT WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO IN JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS FROM NOW.

I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE IN THE HIGH HEAT OF SUMMER STILL, BUT BEFORE LONG, IT'LL BE JANUARY AND THEY'LL ALL BE SITTING IN AUSTIN.

SO I, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT GETTING LOCKED INTO A CONTRACT THERE.

AND FRANKLY, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT FLOC STATES THAT THEY PLAN TO DO ARE MORE CONCERNING TO ME THAN JUST THE LICENSE PLATE READER.

THEY TALK AND I KNOW CURRENTLY IT'S SET UP INTEGRATED AUDIO.

IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE TRAINING THEIR SYSTEMS TO DO TO IDENTIFY GUNSHOTS, BUT IT'S VERY EASY TO, TO TRAIN SOMETHING TO LISTEN TO ONE THING. AND THEN WHEN IT BECOMES GOOD AT IT, TO TELL IT, WELL, WE WANT TO LISTEN. WE WANT A SQUEALING TIRES OR SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AND THEN IT'S BEING TRACKED TO A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL.

I HAVE CONCERNS FLOC IN THEIR, IN THEIR DOCUMENTS TALK ABOUT THAT THEY PROVIDE ACCESS TO HOA AND PRIVATE COMPANIES THAT PUT CAMERAS UP AND WE MAY NOT SHARE, BUT OTHER. BUT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS PARTICIPATING, I HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYONE THAT'S IN IT.

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AND IF EVERY WALMART DECIDES THEY'RE GOING TO PUT FLOC CAMERAS UP AND TARGET AND EVERYONE ELSE AND ALL THAT DATA.

DATA IS BEING INTEGRATED. SOMEONE ELSE CAN COME AND SEARCH THAT DATA ON A CITIZEN HERE AND FIND THAT.

CAN I ACTUALLY RESPOND TO TO TWO OF THOSE POINTS.

THE AUDIO DETECTION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A SEPARATE PRODUCT.

IT'S PART OF THEIR IT'S THEIR SHOTSPOTTER IS, IT'S THEIR VERSION OF IT.

I FORGET WHAT THEY CALL IT. BUT IT'S A, IT'S A TOTALLY SEPARATE PRODUCT.

IT'S NOT INTEGRATED INTO THE CAMERA ITSELF. IT'S AN AUDIO DETECTION THAT'S DESIGNED FOR GUNSHOTS.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I'VE SEEN ONLINE ABOUT IT BEING ABLE TO DETECT STRESSFUL VOICES, BUT THAT IS NOT A PRODUCT THAT I WOULD, I, THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND US EVEN LOOKING INTO, NOR HAVE WE EVER RECOMMENDED IT.

AND THEN THE PRIVATE ENTITIES HAVING ACCESS TO IT.

SO, WELL, I WASN'T SAYING THEM HAVING ACCESS TO GO IN AND LOOK.

I'M SAYING THEM BECOMING ANOTHER DATA POINT FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

THERE. THERE ARE OTHER BIG BOX STORES AND HOA'S AND STUFF THAT DO BUY CAMERAS TO GIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT THE ACCESS TOOLS SO THAT WE CAN SEARCH THEIR DATA. THEY CAN'T SEARCH ANY OF OUR DATA, RIGHT? AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE RECIPROCAL RECIPROCAL AGREEMENTS STOP IS THAT THEY CAN GIVE US ACCESS TO VIEW THEIR DATA, BUT WE CAN'T VIEW THEIRS. AND THAT'S JUST TO SAY, YOU KNOW, A BIG BOX STORE, I'M GOING TO SAY TARGET, BUT TARGET DOES NOT HAVE THEM. OKAY. AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHO DOES OR DOESN'T.

I WAS JUST THROWING OUT SOME OF THE BIGGEST COMPANIES. SO I'M JUST GOING TO USE THEM AS AN EXAMPLE AND PREFACE IT WITH, THEY DO NOT HAVE THEM. BUT IF TARGET'S HAVING THEFTS, THEIR SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS IN THE PARKING LOT ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR US TO GENERALLY IDENTIFY A VEHICLE.

AND SO SOME OF THE STORES HAVE PUT THESE ON THEIR PARKING LOTS SO THAT THEY ARE CATCHING THESE THIEVES LEAVING THE LOCATION BECAUSE RETAIL THEFT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST. CRIMES THAT THESE THINGS SOLVE ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS, AND ALSO THE ONES THAT WOULD PROBABLY GET HURT THE MOST BY THE SEVEN DAY RETENTION, IN MY OPINION. YEAH. AND I UNDERSTAND MY CONCERN IS JUST AT THAT POINT, IT BECOMES EXTREMELY INVASIVE.

IF YOU GO INTO A SHOPPING CENTER AND THE OWNER OF THAT SHOPPING CENTER IS VIDEOING EVERY LICENSE PLATE, I CAN BUILD A DATABASE VERY QUICKLY. THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT.

WE HAVE OUR CAMERAS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY TO TRACK PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT TO BE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH THOSE THINGS.

WHEN THEY START GOING UP AT ALL THOSE LOCATIONS.

FOR ME, THAT BECOMES A CONCERN BECAUSE NOW A THIRD PARTY IN FLOCK HAS DATA STORED THAT TELLS THEM WHERE I'M SHOPPING AND ANYTHING, ANYWHERE ELSE, THOSE CAMERAS GET PUT UP. THE SHOPPING CENTER MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GO IN AND TRACK ME, BUT ANYONE THAT HAS LEGAL ACCESS TO THE DATA CAN.

AND FOR ME, THAT JUST STARTS TO BECOME A CONCERN ABOUT GOING BEYOND JUST LOOKING FOR A LICENSE PLATE, LOOKING FOR A PERPETRATOR OR SUSPECT GOING IN OR OUT OF TOWN OR IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY ON MAJOR ROADWAYS VERSUS BEING TRACKED AT A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE RETAIL THEFT IS AN ISSUE, AND I UNDERSTAND THE LOOK THAT THEY'RE DOING.

AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW FROM FROM WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE INTEGRATED AUDIO THAT'S FLOCK THAT SAYS THAT IN FLOCKS DOCUMENTS THAT THEY PROVIDE, THEY SAY THAT THESE ARE THE THINGS THEY'RE PART OF THE ALPR CAMERAS AND SOLUTION.

SO MY CONCERN IS SIGNING AN AGREEMENT. IF THEY DECIDE THEY'RE GOING TO UPDATE THE HARDWARE, WE MAY WE MAY SAY WE DON'T LIKE IT. WE MAY SAY WE NOT DON'T WANT IT.

WHAT I HAVE FOUND FROM FLOCKS RECORD AT THIS POINT IS THEY REACT.

THEY REACT WHEN THEY GET CAUGHT WITH SOMETHING OR WHEN SOMEONE IS UNHAPPY WITH SOMETHING THEY.

WHICH. WHICH IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I WOULD WANT TO SEE.

IN THIS CASE. I WOULD RATHER THE THE, THE THINGS THEY'RE PUTTING IN PLACE NOW SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN PLACE BEFORE FLOCK TOOK THIS PRODUCT TO MARKET.

WILEY PD SHOULD BE APPLAUDED. YOU ALL UNDERSTOOD RIGHT AWAY THAT THERE WAS A HIGH RISK THAT SOMEONE COULD MISUSE IT.

SO YOU PUT THE CORRECT THINGS IN PLACE, BUT THEY'RE REACTING AFTER THIS HITS THE NEWS, THEY'RE REACTING AFTER PEOPLE BACK OUT.

THEY'RE NOT SETTING THAT UP. IN MY OPINION, A SYSTEM LIKE THIS, THERE ARE HARD STOPS THERE.

THERE ARE WAYS TO DO CHECKS. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT MOST OF THIS ISN'T, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT RUNNING A SEARCH TRYING TO GET SOMEONE FIVE MINUTES AWAY.

NOW, WE MAY HAVE HOT LISTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT AS FAR AS ENTERING AND DOING THE INITIAL SEARCH, THAT CAN BE DAYS LATER, THERE'S NO REASON THAT THEY COULDN'T HAVE SET UP A SYSTEM THAT REQUIRED CROSS CHECKS THAT REQUIRED A HIT AGAINST CASE NUMBERS.

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WE DO THOSE SAME THINGS IN HEALTH CARE SETTINGS.

WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF THINGS IN THERE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF I GET INTO AT WORK, OUR ELECTRONIC RECORDS, IF I PULL UP ANYONE WITH THAT IS A FAMILY MEMBER, IT IMMEDIATELY FLAGS IT.

IF I PULL SOMETHING UP AND IT THINKS I DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS REASON, I HAVE TO CERTIFY WHY I'M DOING IT, AND IT SENDS A REPORT TO MY SUPERVISOR IMMEDIATELY THAT I ACCESS CERTAIN DATA.

AND A VIOLATION IS IMMEDIATE TERMINATION. AND I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WILY PD SHOULD HAVE EVER HAD TO TRY TO DO.

THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT I THINK FLOC SHOULD HAVE HAD IN PLACE WHEN THEY ROLLED THIS OUT ONTO THE MARKETPLACE.

AND I THINK THEY'RE BEING REACTIVE. AND TO YOUR POINT, THEY'RE JUMPING AT THINGS IN SOME CASES WITH WITH THE DATA HOLD THAT MAY BE CAUSING THEY MAY MAKE IT LESS USEFUL TO BEGIN WITH FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE THEIR REACTION IS TO BAD PUBLICITY OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT ALL THE I'LL CALL IT NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SYSTEM IS A GOOD ONE.

AND SO I FIND MYSELF SIMILAR TO MY COLLEAGUES STRUGGLING BECAUSE I DON'T.

I SEE THE GOOD. I SEE THE ARREST THAT YOU GOT, THE PROSECUTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO, TO MOVE FORWARD. AND I THINK PEOPLE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT ARE RAISED ABOUT THE WAY THE DATA IS BEING USED.

AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CELL PHONES PROBABLY TO DEATH.

BUT I KNOW FROM TRIPS THAT I HAVE MADE TO CONFERENCES AT CSC.

YEAH. EVERY SHOPPING CENTER JUST ABOUT HAS YOUR CELL PHONE DATA WHEN YOU GO IN, BUT ALL OF THOSE COMPANIES REFUSE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO ANY CITY THAT WON'T CERTIFY THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE AUTOMATIC ACCESS BECAUSE THEY REQUIRE A WARRANT TO REVIEW THAT.

AND I SEE THAT KIND OF MISSING AT THIS POINT.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WILEY PD HAS ANY ISSUE WITH IT.

I THINK THAT IT IS A GREAT TOOL WHEN YOU GUYS ARE LEGITIMATELY TRYING TO SOLVE CASES.

MY CONCERN IS ALL OF THAT DATA IS BEING STORED AND SHARED WITH A LOT OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT DON'T HAVE THOSE STEPS.

AND FRANKLY, I THINK THE TIME IS COMING WHEN IT WILL.

ANYONE WHO HAS IT WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A WARRANT.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WILL GET ENTERED OR HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS.

NOT PRETENDING I'M AN EXPERT, BUT I HAVE A FEELING THAT THAT'S GOING TO COME FROM BOTH THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL WITHIN THE NEXT, I'LL CALL IT SIX. WELL, I GUESS IT'S STILL ONLY AUGUST.

BY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR. AND MAYOR, WE HONESTLY HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS INTERNALLY ABOUT IF THAT LEGISLATIVE OF MANDATE COMES DOWN OR IF WE YOU KNOW HOW TO GET AHEAD OF IT, OR WE'VE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS INTERNALLY TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE OUR PLANS MOVING FORWARD WITH IF IF THERE BECOMES A WARRANT REQUIREMENT OF ALL THE DATABASES THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO, MOST OF THOSE THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THIS, WE DON'T REQUIRE A WARRANT.

NOW WE AS A DEPARTMENT ARE OPEN TO, IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL GUARDRAILS THAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE US PUT ONTO ONTO THE SYSTEM, INCLUDING SHARING, WE'RE OPEN TO, TO THOSE KIND OF DISCUSSIONS.

THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO, TO TALK ABOUT AND WOULD BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN.

AND EVEN AS FAR AS LIKE THE DATA RETENTION, IF, IF THERE'S SOMETHING, LIKE I SAID, SEVEN DAYS, I THINK IS HONESTLY TOO SHORT. 30 DAYS WAS DECIDED BECAUSE THE CARPENTER DECISION THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER DISCUSSED THE TRACKING OF MOVEMENTS OVER TIME. SO WE WERE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF WHAT THAT OVERTIME MEANT.

AND SO THERE ARE DEPARTMENTS THAT DO HAVE LONGER RETENTION DATES AND, AND VENDORS THAT ALLOW US TO EXTEND THE DATES FOR YEARS.

WELL, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY WE WENT 30 DAYS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THAT TRACKING MOVEMENTS OVER TIME.

THE OTHER DIRECTION THAT WE DO ASK IS IF THAT YOU CHOOSE NOT TO RENEW THIS, THAT WE GET CLARIFICATION ON, IS IT A OPR IN GENERAL, OR IS IT JUST FLOCK THAT YOU'RE NOT WANTING TO RENEW THE FLOCK CONTRACTS? AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, THE OTHER VENDOR IS OKAY, OKAY.

I'M STILL, STILL HONESTLY TRYING TO WEIGH ALL SIDES OF THIS.

I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF COLLEAGUES THAT WISH TO SPEAK.

SO. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME TIME AGAIN.

I KEEP THINKING OF THINGS, AND I'M SURE I'LL THINK OF SOME MORE. BUT WHILE CHEWING ON THINGS, THE THE RECIPROCAL AGREEMENT,

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HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK IT WOULD HURT THE CITY OF WYLIE IF THAT PORTION WAS SNIPPED OUT? WHERE WE JUST DIDN'T OPERATE WITHIN THE RECIPROCAL AGREEMENT.

WE RENEWED, BUT WE RENEWED WITHOUT RECIPROCAL DATA.

YES. THEY DON'T GET OURS. WE DON'T GET THEIRS, BUT WE HAVE WHAT WE CAN CONTROL AND WE CONTROL WHAT WE CAN CONTROL.

AND THAT'S OUR CITY THAT ACTUALLY DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE A CONTRACTUAL THING.

THAT'S A THAT'S A PUSH OF A BUTTON ON OUR END TO, TO CUT ALL SHARING.

BUT LIKE I SAID, THAT MEANS THAT OUR, WE DON'T GET THEIR DATA EITHER.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG VALUABLE TOOLS OF LPR IN GENERAL.

AND A LOT OF THESE CASES THAT I DISCUSSED EARLIER, SOME OF THEM WERE, YOU KNOW, CAMERAS THAT WERE IN OUR CITY, BUT SOME OF THEM WEREN'T. SURE. AND SO THAT THAT LOSES A HUGE PIECE OF THE VALUE OF THE TOOL ITSELF.

IF YOU WERE GOING TO PLACE A PERCENTAGE ON IT, NOT TO HOLD YOU TO IT, BUT TO GET SOME KIND OF IDEA IS AT 5% OR IS IT 80%? LIKE WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE VALUE OF THE RECIPROCAL SIDE OF IT? CAN I TURN AROUND AND GET SOME EXPERT? ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY. SO. THEY SAY IT'S IT'S PRETTY CONSIDERABLE.

HOW MUCH IS OUTSIDE CITY DATA. AND SOME OF THAT I'M THINKING IS OKAY, WELL, IF I CAME MYSELF DOWN TO YES OR NO, AND ONE DEPENDED ON THE OTHER RECIPROCAL OR NOT.

WHERE DOES MY DECISION FALL? THAT GIVES ME THE UNDERSTANDING OF WITHOUT RECIPROCAL, IT'S WORK.

IT DOESN'T HAVE THE VALUE OF, OF, OF HAVING. IT IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING.

EVERY ONE OF THOSE CASES THAT WERE NOT FROM ONE.

BUT AS FAR AS US CATCHING THEM OUTSIDE OF WILEY, I WOULD SAY I WOULD PROBABLY SAY THE MAJORITY ARE FROM THE DATA SHARING, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY AGENCIES THAT ARE JUST PACKED TOGETHER HERE IN THE METROPLEX.

I'M GUESSING MAYBE IF YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE CHASING, BUT IF YOU'RE FINDING WHO IT IS, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN OUR AREA TO EVEN START TO SAY THAT'S THE RIGHT CAR. IF WE DON'T HAVE A LICENSE PLATE, WOULDN'T IT? WELL, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE, THE PURSUIT THAT THE VEHICLE WAS FLAGGED IN EULESS.

SURE. GRANTED, THAT WAS THE MOTOROLA SYSTEM. BUT EVEN THE, THE SHOOTING WHERE THE WHITE AUDI WAS INVOLVED, THAT WAS A, I BELIEVE A CAMERON SEAGOVILLE OR SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA.

SO THOSE ARE ALL, ALL CAMERAS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY, BUT IT STILL GAVE US THE LEAD THAT WE NEEDED.

AND EVEN ON THE 2026 HOMICIDE. SOME OF THE LPR DATA THAT WE GATHERED WAS FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

THAT HELPED US DETERMINE WHERE THE SUSPECTS WERE FLEEING TO, AND ULTIMATELY GAVE US SOME KEY EVIDENCE AND PUTTING THAT THING TOGETHER.

PRETTY USEFUL. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PICKENS.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WON'T REITERATE THE ACCOLADES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT JUST BECAUSE I STAND WITH IT.

AND I. I COULD SAY EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID REPEATED.

I HAVE JUST THE UTMOST RESPECT. AND I'M SO GLAD TO LIVE IN THIS CITY WITH YOU GUYS PATROLLING.

I'VE SPENT 40 YEARS OF MY CAREER AS AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE DESIGNING INTELLIGENCE SYSTEMS. MY EXPERTISE IS IN RF EMITTERS. ONE THING THAT HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT IS BLUETOOTH AND WI-FI THAT IS INSIDE THE CAR. THOSE NOW ARE A CHIP THE SIZE OF MY PINKY FINGERNAIL AND EASILY ADAPTED TO ANY SYSTEM.

AND I HAVE CONCERNS. I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANY DATA THAT FLOCK IS USING THIS, BUT I AM NOT DUMB TO THINK THAT THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT. SO THAT CONCERNS ME. ONE THING THAT I HAVE KNOWN OVER THE DECADES THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING IS THAT IT EVENTUALLY GOES INTO THE COMMERCIAL WORLD.

AND WHEN IT DOES, THE TECHNOLOGY OUTPACES THE LEGISLATION.

AND WITH FLOCK, I SEE THAT AS SOMETHING THAT IS HAPPENING IN REAL TIME IN FRONT OF US.

AND I HAVE PAID ATTENTION TO THIS FOR WELL OVER A YEAR.

THIS IS NOT NEW TO ME. SO TONIGHT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I TAKE LIGHTLY.

I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

I HAVE ALSO LOOKED INTO WHAT LEGISLATORS ARE INTERESTED IN THIS AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING BOTH AT THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

AND IT'S QUITE OBVIOUS TO ME THAT THIS IS COMING INTO OUR LEGISLATIONS, BOTH AT THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL LEVEL IN THE NEXT SESSIONS.

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WHEN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS ARISE IT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT WHAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS BRINGING TO US.

AND IF OUR GUARDRAILS ARE TRULY IN PLACE ON THE LEGISLATIVE SIDE.

AND I THINK SOMETIMES IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAYBE TAP THE BRAKES A BIT AND LET THE LEGISLATION CATCH UP TO WHAT IS OCCURRING. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M WITH THE MAYOR.

I STRUGGLE WITH THAT. AND YOU ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT LPR.

HONESTLY, IF YOU HAVE LPR ON A SQUAD VEHICLE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL.

OFFICER CAN'T HAVE HIS EYES 360 DEGREES AROUND THAT CAR ALL THE TIME.

SO ANY TYPE OF, OF OPTICAL OBSERVATION AVAILABLE TO THAT OFFICER, I'M WILLING TO GIVE IT TO THEM.

A SYSTEM OF FLOCK WITH THE COMPANY THAT IS REPRESENTED BY THE REPS THAT I HAVE SEEN ON VIDEO BEING ASKED QUESTIONS FROM OUR LEGISLATORS. YEAH. THAT'S THAT IT GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT OF PAUSE.

SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.

JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. OKAY. COUNCIL I WOULD ASK, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HEARD FROM CHIEF WALTERS QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS BY STAFF OR BY OURSELVES, AS WELL AS FROM CITIZENS WHO ARE HERE THIS EVENING.

THIS IS AN ITEM THAT REQUIRES A MOTION. EITHER TO APPROVE IT FOR THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL OR NOT TO. OBVIOUSLY, THOSE I DON'T BELIEVE I WILL CLARIFY.

I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS ANY TABLING. I BELIEVE WE WOULD NEED TO SEND THIS.

IS THAT CORRECT? WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION THIS EVENING.

AND FRANKLY, I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE CITIZENS WHO SHOWED UP TO PROVIDE AN OPINION.

NOW, I CAN'T FORCE THAT, BUT I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY THOUGHTS THERE.

SO, MAYOR PRO TEM, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DO SURE.

IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, IT'S A 24 MONTH COMMITMENT.

OR IS IT A 12 MONTH COMMITMENT? SORRY. WE CAN ACTUALLY WE CAN SET IT FOR ANOTHER 12 AND VISIT IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR. WE DON'T HAVE IT. IT'S IT'S STATED AS A TWO YEAR BUT IT WILL HAVE THE SAME KIND OF AUTO RENEW LANGUAGE.

IT'S JUST WE HAVE TWO YEARS LEFT ON THE ORIGINAL FIVE YEAR.

SO IT'LL BE JUST JUST LIKE THIS YEAR WHERE YOU CAN CALL IT UP FOR A OKAY, YOU CAN CALL IT UP FOR RENEWAL.

OKAY. AND IF WE TAKE NO ACTION, THEN THAT'S WHEN IT AUTO RENEWS.

COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS HAS ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. MAYOR. CHIEF WALTERS, IF IF WE WERE TO NON RENEW DO WE HAVE AN INVESTMENT IN THE EXISTING CAMERAS? DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT WORKS AS FAR AS WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE CAMERAS OR WHAT THAT INVESTMENT WAS? THEY'LL JUST, THEY'LL COME TAKE THE CAMERAS DOWN.

OKAY. AND IF WE NON RENEW WITH THEM UNDERSTANDING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE PRESSING PAUSE AND WE MAY COME BACK TO THEM, IT SOUNDS LIKE AT THAT POINT WE'RE GOING TO END UP RENEGOTIATING A NEW CONTRACT WITH NEW TERMS AND NEW DO EVERYTHING.

THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. I WAS TRYING TO TRYING TO SEE IF I COULD HELP YOU WITH YOUR QUESTION THERE.

COUNCILMAN. BUT I'M NOT QUICK ENOUGH TRYING TO SEARCH THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS ON COSTS THERE.

ALL RIGHT. SO COUNCIL AT THIS POINT I'LL I'LL MAKE ONE LAST CALL FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE ELSE HAS OR COMMENTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.

BEFORE I OPEN THE FLOOR FOR A MOTION. SO COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THIS EVENING? OKAY. I'M NOT SEEING ANY INDICATED. SO WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR TO A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.

COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. ANYONE WANTS TO. SO I'LL DO IT.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SUSPEND THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL WITH THE UNDERSTANDING, WITH FLOC, THAT WE MAY WANT TO REVISIT A NEW CONTRACT WITH NEW TERMS, AND FOR US TO SET A NEW WORK SESSION IN ORDER TO DISCUSS THOSE TERMS AT A LATER DATE.

THAT IS MY MOTION. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AS STATED.

I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ALL ALLOW US. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF EMOTIONS AS I DO.

YOU CAN YOU CAN READ ALL ABOUT MY UNPOPULARITY.

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I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ALL PLEASE REFRAIN UNTIL WE'RE DONE, JUST SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE GET THROUGH ALL THE PARLIAMENTARY STEPS HERE.

FOR MOTIONS, WE HAVE A MOTION AS STATED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE COUNCILMAN STRING SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE THE MOTION AS STATED WITH A SECOND COUNCIL.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. SO THE MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0.

SO WITH THAT, WE WILL SEND THE NOTICE OF NON-RENEWAL TO FLOC AND GET A WORK SESSION SET FOR AN UPCOMING MEETING TO DISCUSS OTHER CONTRACT TERMS, PER THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE.

SO THAT COMPLETES ITEM NUMBER ONE. WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO.

[2. Consider, and act upon, Resolution No. 2026-15(R), approving a Chapter 380 Grant Mowing Services Maintenance Agreement between the City of Wylie and the Wylie Cemetery Association, a Texas Unincorporated Non-Profit Association, and authorizing the City Manager to execute any and all necessary documents. ]

THIS EVENING ITEM NUMBER TWO IS TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026-15R APPROVING A CHAPTER 380 GRANT MOWING SERVICES MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF WYLIE AND THE WYLIE CEMETERY ASSOCIATION, A TEXAS UNINCORPORATED NONPROFIT ASSOCIATION, AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS, MISS HOLLY. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

AS YOU RECALL, I DO APOLOGIZE. I DID NOT CONFIRM THE DATE BEFORE I GOT UP HERE, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS AUGUST OF LAST YEAR THAT WE DID A WORK SESSION WITH THE CEMETERY ASSOCIATION WHERE THEY WERE ASKING FOR ASSISTANCE FOR THE MAINTENANCE, THE MOWING CONTRACT. AT THAT MEETING, COUNCIL GAVE US DIRECTION TO START WORKING ON AN AGREEMENT.

AS YOU ALSO KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY PROBABLY TWO WEEKS OUT OF APPROVING THE BUDGET AT THAT TIME.

SO THE $50,000 THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR WAS NOT PART OF THE BUDGET FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS THE AGREEMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO REIMBURSE HIM.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS A 380 GRANT AGREEMENT THAT IS REIMBURSABLE.

SO THEY WOULD PAY FOR IT UP FRONT AND THEN WE WOULD REIMBURSE THEM AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS A BUDGET AMENDMENT, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY PUT FORTH THE FUNDS TO PAY FOR THIS AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW. JUST KIND OF MOVING FORWARD A LITTLE BIT.

THE AGREEMENT SPELLS OUT THE TERMS, WHICH WOULD BE A YEAR TO YEAR.

IT WOULD END OCTOBER 1ST OF EACH YEAR WITH THE OPTION TO RENEW BASED ON COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.

THEY'RE MOWING SEASON IS FROM MARCH 1ST THROUGH OCTOBER.

THERE'S ALSO LANGUAGE IN HERE OF THE PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET IN ORDER TO GET THAT GRANT REIMBURSEMENT.

I CAN GO THROUGH THAT. OR IF YOU READ THROUGH IT IN THE PACKET.

THERE'S ALSO A 5% CONTINGENCY THAT IS INCLUDED THAT WOULD ALLOW IF THERE'S REASONABLE, UNFORESEEN, YOU KNOW, WE GET A BIG STORM AND TREES ARE DOWN OR THERE'S A LOT OF RAIN AND THEY COULDN'T MOW.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SOME, SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE'S ALSO LANGUAGE THAT SPELLS OUT WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE, HOW THEY WOULD SUBMIT THOSE, THE THE INVOICES TO US. IT'S ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.

WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE CONTRACTOR'S NAME, ADDRESS COPIES OF THE INVOICE WHERE THEY HAVE PAID BEFORE WE REIMBURSE THEM.

WE WOULD PAY THEM, I THINK IT'S ON OR BEFORE DECEMBER 31ST AT THE DECEMBER AFTER THEIR MOWING CONTRACT HAS SERVICE WINDOW HAS ENDED. OKAY, SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THE PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION, MISS SANDRA STONE, IS ALSO HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER.

OKAY. I KNOW WE HELD A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE, BUT WE WERE ALL.

I BELIEVE WE WERE ALL PRESENT. I HAVE NOT GONE BACK AND CHECKED ROLE AT THAT POINT, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THAT THIS EVEN INCLUDES AN AUDITING STANDARD IN HERE FOR US TO ENSURE THAT THE FUNDS ARE BEING USED APPROPRIATELY AND THE RECEIPTS, NOT THAT WOULD DOUBT, BUT I ALWAYS SAY TRUST AND VERIFY. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS.

I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS BACK TO US. COUNCIL.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU.

MAYOR. I DO, MISS HOLLY. THE CONTRACT SPELLS 50,000.

DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE CONTRACT FOR THE MOWING IS 50,000 OR UP TO 50,000? WHAT WE LOOKED AT BEFORE, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS CONVERSATION, EVEN IF OUR GUYS WERE TO DO IT, IT WAS ROUGHLY $50,000. OKAY. AND THEN IN SPEAKING WITH MISS STONE, IT WAS ROUGHLY $50,000.

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CURRENTLY PAYING. YES. OKAY. YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY WE DID THE 5% AS WELL, BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT COULD BE 50, POTENTIALLY. YEAH. AND THIS CONTRACT WILL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

YES. BASED ON THE SO IT'LL BE FOR THE YEAR 2026 2027.

THIS IS LAST YEAR 25, 26. YES. THIS THIS WILL COVER THEIR MOWING SEASON FROM MARCH.

2026 TO OCTOBER 2026. OKAY, SO THAT WOULD BE OUR BUDGET YEAR WAS 2526.

OKAY. BUT IT'D BE ABBREVIATED PAYMENT FROM MARCH UNTIL OCTOBER.

CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THEN WE'LL START A NEW ONE.

SO IT'S NOT A IT'S IT'S NOT PRORATED. I UNDERSTAND IT'S THE FULL 50.

YEAH. IT'S JUST RIGHT. I UNDERSTOOD THE CONTRACT STARTS IN MARCH.

I GET IT, NO PROBLEM. NO QUESTION. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, TWO QUESTIONS.

ONE IS JUST A REFRESHER FROM I'M SURE OUR OUR WORK SESSION ON WHO OWNS THE CEMETERY AND IF I IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT.

IT'S KIND OF THE FUNERAL HOME TECHNICALLY OWNS IT, BUT IT'S NO, WE DO NO CEMETERY ASSOCIATION OWNS IT.

OKAY. SO ARE THERE ANY MORE PLOTS AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO GET BURIED? YES. OKAY. SO WHO RECEIVES THE FUNDS FROM ANY NEW BURIALS? THE CEMETERY ASSOCIATION. OKAY. AND THE CONTRACT THAT'S BEING AWARDED FOR THE MOWING IS THERE WHO MAKES THE DECISION ON ON WHAT VENDOR IS USED.

THE CEMETERY ASSOCIATION. CEMETERY ASSOCIATION DOES.

YES. SO I HAVE A CONCERN WITH AND LET ME MAKE SURE I'M NOT MISSING WHERE THE FUNDS ARE COMING FROM. SO I DIDN'T CATCH THE VERY BEGINNING OF WHAT YOU WHAT YOU SAID, BECAUSE I THINK YOU SAID THAT AT THE BEGINNING WHEN YOU WERE SUMMARIZING THE TWO DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEMS, WHERE DO THE, WHERE, WHERE DOES THE GRANT COME FROM? IT COMES FROM THE CITY OF WYLIE. CORRECT. SO MY CONCERN IS NOT HAVING ANY PROCUREMENT DONE, BUT USING OUR CITY FUNDS THAT OUR TAXPAYERS, YOU KNOW, FUNDS TO FUND THE CEMETERY WITHOUT ANY PROCUREMENT IN THAT.

SO THE THING I WOULD ASK IS THAT IT THERE BE A PROCUREMENT PROCESS IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THAT DIRECTION OR CAN WE DO THAT? IS IT POSSIBLE PROPERTY? I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW OR WHY WE WOULD DO THAT.

AND I'M ABOUT TO TURN AROUND AND LOOK AT CHRIS RODRIGUEZ.

AND CHRIS CAN TELL YOU. THEY HAVE A MOWING CONTRACTOR NOW.

YEAH, IT'S NOT OUR CONTRACT. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT ADDRESSES THE THERE'S NO CHECK AND BALANCE IN THAT.

OF WHAT? WHAT'S THAT? I HEARD SOMEONE. IS SPEAKING WELL LET'S LET'S DO THESE ONE AT A TIME. SO IF I ONLY CAUGHT HALF OF IT. IF WE GIVE IT A GRANT TO.

THE CEMETERY. THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THEIR OWN VOTE PROCESS PER SE, BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING THEM THE GRANT.

NOW, CAN WE OVERSEE THAT GRANT? WE COULD. WE CAN ASK THAT THEY GOT SEVERAL QUOTES AND JUST KIND OF VERIFY WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND HOW MUCH FORCE THEY RECEIVED OR PRICING OR WHATNOT. SINCE WE'RE PROVIDING THEM THE GRANT.

OKAY. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR? WELL, THAT'S SOME OF IT IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SETTING AN ARBITRARY DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT'S UP TO.

AND YOU PROVIDE INVOICES FOR. AND THEN THE, THE CITY IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CREATED AN ORDINANCE TO BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH THE GRANT.

AND THEN. BUT IT'S ALL GOING TO FUNNEL BACK TO AN INVOICE THAT IS THAT HAS NO CHECK OR BALANCE ON IT.

I DON'T THINK I'M. TO ME, THIS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM WHEN WE.

WELL, WHEN WE USED TO DO OUR NONPROFITS, WHERE WE WOULD GIVE THEM A $5,000 CHECK OR $50,000 OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

THE CEMETERY ASSOCIATION IS A NONPROFIT, RIGHT? AND SO ASIDE FROM THE ATLANTIS THING THAT I VOTE, I KNOW I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT VOTED AGAINST ASIDE FOR THAT ONE.

I DIDN'T THINK WE HAD ANY OTHER NONPROFITS THAT WE USED CITY FUNDS FOR, EXCEPT FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT FOR TASTE OF WYLIE.

THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. WE WE DON'T CURRENTLY.

IT WAS A PROCESS. IT PREDATES MY TIME ON COUNCIL, I BELIEVE.

THE ONLY THE MOST RECENT TIME I AM AWARE OF IS, WAS IN 2020 OR 2021.

THERE WERE FUNDS FROM COVID FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

AND WE SAID A CERTAIN AMOUNT ASIDE AND ALLOWED NONPROFITS TO APPLY.

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BUT AGAIN, WE JUST ESSENTIALLY WRITE THEM A CHECK.

YEAH, I WROTE THEM A CHECK IN THAT INSTANCE. YEAH.

THAT THAT'S MY QUESTION IS THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROCUREMENT SIDE OF IT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO GRANT $50,000 OF TAXPAYER MONEY TO IT, AND JUST, I GUESS I WOULD SAY.

THE NONPROFIT NEEDS TO HAVE A WAY THAT THEY CAN ANSWER FOR WHO DID WHAT, HOW, AND THEY WILL JUST THAT CHECK AND BALANCE IS MY ONLY CONCERN.

OKAY. MR. PARKER. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WHENEVER WE DID THIS WORK SESSION ORIGINALLY, COUNCIL AGREED TO THE DOLLAR AMOUNT TO REIMBURSE THE CEMETERY.

MISS STONE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION OF WHAT IT COST, AND THEN COUNCIL AGREED TO THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT.

THE ANNUAL DOLLAR AMOUNT. IF COUNCIL DECIDES TO DO SOMETHING MORE OR LESS THAN THAT ANNUAL DOLLAR AMOUNT, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR DECISION. SO THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT REAL QUICK AND THEN I'LL GET YOU.

I GUESS YOU GOT TO TURN OFF FIRST. THERE WE GO.

THANK YOU. MR. PARKER, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHY IS IT A WHY IS IT AN AGENDA ITEM? IF WE'VE ALREADY AGREED TO IT, THEN. BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T APPROVED THE.

WE GAVE DIRECTION BUT HAD NOT APPROVED A CONTRACT OR BUDGET AMENDMENT.

OKAY. WE GAVE DIRECTION. WHAT DO YOU KNOW? I JUST WANT TO GO BACK FOR MYSELF.

SOME OF IT IS FOR ME TO CATCH UP ON THINGS THAT I'M NOT RECALLING WHAT DATE IT WAS AUGUST 1ST, I THINK IT WAS THE LAST MEETING, THE LAST ONE OF THE MEETINGS IN AUGUST, AND IT MIGHT BE ONE THAT I MISSED RECENTLY, MIGHT BE WHY I'M I, I'M NOT ON. YEAH, JUST A QUICK RECAP JUST IN CASE.

BUT FOR ANYONE THAT MAY BE LISTENING TO, TO THE RECORDING OR LIVE.

THE CEMETERIES, LONG STORY SHORT, WE HAD LOOKED AT POTENTIALLY TAKING THOSE OVER AS A CITY.

THERE'S DEED ISSUES, PROPERTY LINE ISSUES, MANY, PLUS TRYING TO BE A CITY AND SELL PLOTS AND ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE FOR US. MISS STONE PRESENTED THAT THAT UNFORTUNATELY, THESE CEMETERIES WERE NOT SET UP AS PERPETUAL CARE.

SO IT'S PEOPLE BUY A PLOT AND THAT'S IT. SO THERE ARE NO FUNDS FOR ONGOING MAINTENANCE, ESPECIALLY ONCE THOSE END.

MISS ALI POINTED OUT UNDER STATE LAW, IF THEY GO DEFUNCT, THE CITY AUTOMATICALLY GETS TOLD YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.

AND THEN WE BECOME RESPONSIBLE WITH THIS BEING THEIR LARGEST COST.

THE COUNCIL'S OPINION I BELIEVE AND STAFF SAID EVENING WAS IT'S BETTER TO HELP SUPPORT THEM AND LET THEM RUN ALL THESE OTHER FUNCTIONS THAT COME WITH IT, INSTEAD OF HAVING EVERYTHING REVERT AND HAVING TO HAVE MULTIPLE EMPLOYEES TO TRACK ALL OF THE THINGS THAT COME WITH A CEMETERY ON TOP OF THE MOWING MAINTENANCE.

AND SO I BELIEVE I'M RECALLING CORRECTLY. AND SO WE INSTRUCTED STAFF THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP REIMBURSE THE MOWING AS A WAY TO HELP KEEP THE CEMETERY ASSOCIATION ABLE TO OPERATE THAT AND IT NOT FALL TO US TO OPERATE THE WHOLE THING.

SO AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT THAT'S WHAT I STARTED WITH, WHAT MY MEMORY WAS.

THAT'S WHY WE WERE. OKAY. WE'RE DOING. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

NO WORRIES. MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU. MAYOR, I DO, I DO RECALL THAT.

AND I DO RECALL US AGREEING TO GIVE $50,000. MY, MY ONLY COMMENT THAT I'LL MAKE IS THIS I FULLY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS CEMETERY DOES NOT HAVE A PERPETUAL CARE AND FULLY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THE CURRENT BOARD FALTERS AND IS NO LONGER THERE, FALLS INTO OUR, INTO OUR JURISDICTION AND US TAKING OVER.

I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE BOARD HAS A RESPONSIBILITY MOVING FORWARD AS WELL OF MAKING SURE THAT CHARGES ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A RIGHT CHARGE FOR IT. WE CANNOT CHARGE A FRACTION OF WHAT A REAL LOT COST ON THE MARKET TODAY.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE FAMILIES WITH CONSTRAINTS AND HAVING THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR IT AND NOT HAVING THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR IT.

AND SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE OPEN TO IT. BUT ALSO THE BOARD HAS TO MAKE A DECISION ON CONSCIOUS, CONSCIOUS DECISION OF UNDERSTANDING ALL THE NUANCES.

THESE ARE ALL TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT WE'RE SPENDING THAT ARE NOT OURS.

THEY WERE GIVEN $50,000 TAXPAYER DOLLARS. AND THE BOARD HAS TO UNDERSTAND AS WELL THAT EVERY DAY THAT PASSES, THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED TO IT WITH MOWING AND ALL THE NUANCES THAT COME IN WITH RUNNING A CEMETERY.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THE BOARD IS NOT DOING IT. WHAT I'M URGING THEM TO DO IS THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX OF THOUGHTS AND IDEAS AND THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE ABLE NOT TO FALL ALL INTO TAXPAYER DOLLARS. OKAY. THAT'S ALL.

AND OBVIOUSLY, THE THE BOARD PRESIDENT, MISS STONE, IS PRESENT AND HAS HEARD, AND I KNOW SHE WILL TAKE THAT BACK TO HER FELLOW MEMBERS AND

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BELIEVE THEY'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE THINGS, BUT I WOULD HESITATE TO SPEAK FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S BOARD. BUT I APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT, SIR. YES, OF COURSE. COUNCILMAN PICKENS THANK YOU.

MAYOR. THIS IS FOR COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. IF I ANSWER ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAD THE CONTRACT HAS A CLAUSE.

PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS IN SECTION THREE AND PART B LIST OUT SIX ITEMS OF DETAIL THAT THE CEMETERY ASSOCIATION WILL OWE TO THE CITY ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, WHICH DETAILS DOWN TO THE PENNY OF WHAT THEY SPENT IN THE PREVIOUS QUARTER.

SO I BELIEVE THAT PROVIDES IN MY MIND, WHEN I READ THE CONTRACT, THAT WAS THE ONE THING I WAS LOOKING FOR IN THE CHECK AND BALANCE, THAT THE FUNDS WILL BE SPENT APPROPRIATELY AND PUBLICIZED.

OKAY. APPRECIATE THAT, COUNCILMAN STRANG. AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT, COUNCILMAN PICKENS, BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE EXACT SAME PROVISIONS.

YEAH. I THINK THAT WE'VE DONE A PRETTY DECENT JOB OF PROTECTING TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

I DO FORESEE A POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE WHERE THE CITY WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO TAKE IT OVER.

MAYBE NOT. IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO PROTECT THE INVESTMENT.

SO THAT BEING SAID, I MEAN, UNLESS THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO ASK QUESTIONS, MAKE COMMENTS.

I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. I WILL HAVE YOU HOLD THE FLOOR ONCE.

I'LL HOLD THE FLOOR ONE SECOND FOR A MOTION BEFORE THE MOTION.

DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? WITH NONE INDICATED. BE OPEN TO A MOTION COUNCILMAN.

THANK YOU MAYOR. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS PRESENTED. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND COUNCILMAN PICKENS? THANK YOU.

MAYOR. I'LL SECOND. MOTION WITH A SECOND TO APPROVE.

COUNCIL. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

WE NOW MOVE TO ITEM THREE. ITEM THREE IS TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-37.

[3. Consider, and act upon, Ordinance No. 2026-37 amending Ordinance No. 2025-32, which established the fiscal year 2025-2026 budget, providing for repealing, savings, and severability clauses, and the effective date of this ordinance. ]

AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025-32, WHICH ESTABLISHED THE FISCAL YEAR 2025-2026 BUDGET, PROVIDING FOR REPEALING SAVINGS AND SEVERABILITY CLAUSES AND THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS ORDINANCE, MISS BROWN. THANK YOU MAYOR. AS JUST MENTIONED, THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT IS RELATIVE TO THE ITEM NUMBER TWO MOWING GRANT.

AND THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT WILL JUST PLACE THE $50,000 INTO THE CURRENT BUDGET SO THAT THE GRANT MAY BE SETTLED.

THE $50,000 WILL ACTUALLY REDUCE OUR ENDING FUND BALANCE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY, OBVIOUSLY NOT PREVIOUSLY PUT INTO THE BUDGET.

OKAY. COUNCIL. MAYOR. PRO TEM. MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS PRESENTED.

LET ME I WILL. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PLACE THE MOTION ON TO THE SIDE FOR A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. ROLL WITH IT. I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS, AND WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH SOME.

VERY GOOD, I SECOND IT. I GOTTA GO TO THE RESTROOM, PLEASE. SECOND WITH COUNCILMAN STRAIN.

YOU CAN TRY TO RAILROAD ME. WE CAN'T DO IT IF WE DON'T FUND IT.

YEAH. SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND. COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES.

VOTE OR. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. NOW THAT DOES COMPLETE OUR REGULAR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.

WE DO HAVE ONE EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM, SO WE'LL MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION UNDER 551.07 FOR PERSONNEL MATTERS CLOSED MEETINGS

[EXECUTIVE SESSION ]

ES ONE CITY MANAGER QUARTERLY EVALUATION. WITH THAT WE'LL COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE