[CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:10] CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ORDER. THIS IS THE REGULAR WILY PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING JANUARY 18TH 26, 2026 AT CITY CHAMBERS. FIRST OFF, WE'LL START OUT THE CALL ORDER. THEN WE'LL HAVE THE INVOCATION BY COMMISSIONER SCHWERIN AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY COMMISSIONER CHANDLER. PLEASE RISE. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US HERE TOGETHER TODAY. PLEASE BE WITH US AS WE CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO AND SEEK YOUR GUIDANCE ON HOW TO TO PROPERLY RUN AND AND BENEFIT THE CITY OF WYLIE. PLEASE BE WITH EACH OF US AS WE'RE HERE TODAY AS WE TRAVEL HOME. AND FOR THOSE THAT COULDN'T BE HERE, BE WITH THEM AND WATCH US AND ALL YOUR THINGS THAT YOU DO. IN THE LORD'S NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY, THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT IS COMMENTS ON ANY NON AGENDA ITEMS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. [CONSENT AGENDA] IF NOT WE'LL PROCEED ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM AUGUST 4TH, 2026 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. IS THERE ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS AROUND THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING? AND I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. THERE'S A MOTION BY. I SECOND THAT MOTION. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHARON. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. [1. Hold a Public Hearing, consider, and act upon, a recommendation to City Council regarding the writing of an ordinance for a change in zoning from Agricultural and Commercial Corridor (AG & CC) to Commercial Corridor - Special Use Permit (CC-SUP) on 25.484 acres to allow for a wholesale retail development with minor automobile repair for tire & battery services wand a motor vehicle fueling station use on Lot 1, Block A of WEDC Retail Addition and Commercial Corridor development on Lot 2, Block A of WEDC Retail Addition. Property generally located at 2002 W FM 544. (ZC 2026-10).] UNANIMOUS. THOSE HERE. OKAY. ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. I'M GOING TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE WRITING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL AND COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AG AND CC TO COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR SPECIAL SPECIAL USE PERMIT CC USP ON 25.484 ACRES TO ALLOW FOR A WHOLESALE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT WITH MINOR AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR AND FOR TIRE AND BATTERY SERVICES AND A MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION. USE ON LOT ONE, BLOCK A OF THE W, E, D, C RENTAL, RETAIL ADDITION AND COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR DEVELOPMENT ON LOT TWO, BLOCK A OF THE W, EDC RETAIL EDITION PROPERTY, GENERALLY LOCATED AT 2002 WEST FM. 544 IS THE ZONING CASE OF 2026 DASH TEN KEVIN. YES. GOOD EVENING. OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A REQUEST FOR A ZONING CHANGE ON APPROXIMATELY 25.5 ACRES, GENERALLY LOCATED AT 2002 WEST FM. 544. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR A WHOLESALE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT WITH MINOR AUTOMOBILE REPAIR FOR TIRES AND BATTERY SERVICES. AND THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO HAVE A FUELING STATION WITH A MAX OF 40 PUMPS. AND THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS ALSO THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. THEY HAVE PROVIDED THE FULL DOCUMENTATION NEEDED FOR THAT REVIEW, AND THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW. THEY ARE PROVIDING 894 PARKING SPACES WITH 19 BEING HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE. AND THEY DO HAVE FIRE LANES THAT LOOP AROUND THE MAIN STRUCTURES AND AROUND THE FUELING CANOPY [00:05:02] AREA. THIS SITE ALSO HAS A SECOND COMMERCIAL PAD PAD LOT. THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS REVIEW. IT'S THAT'LL STAY AS ZONED COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. SO WE WILL SEE A SITE PLAN LATER ON. I CAN KIND OF CIRCLE AROUND THE MOUSE WHERE THAT'S LOCATED SO THAT Y'ALL KNOW FOR REFERENCE, THEY ALSO HAVE A DETENTION POND ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER AS WELL. THEY HAVE ACCESS POINTS THROUGH FM 544 AND THROUGH WEST GATEWAY AS WELL. AND THEN THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. SO THEY DO HAVE LANDSCAPING AROUND ALL THE PARKING AREAS AROUND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY AS WELL. THEY ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING SIDEWALKS ALONG 544 AND ALONG WEST GATEWAY. PART OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS ALLOWING FOR THE USE OF ASTROTURF. AND THEY DID PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. IT'S COMMON FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT SINCE THEY GO FOR A XERISCAPE ESTHETIC. SO THEY DO STILL HAVE TREE PLANTINGS AND SOME GREENERY AS WELL. AND THEN THEY ALSO DO HAVE TRUCK DOCKING AS WELL. I CAN CIRCLE WHERE THAT'S LOCATED. IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE IN THIS GENERAL AREA. AND THE, THE TIRE SERVICE LOCATION IS WHERE MY MOUSE IS RIGHT HERE. I CAN GO FORWARD TO SO Y'ALL CAN SEE THE ELEVATIONS AS WELL. THE ELEVATIONS ARE COMPRISED OF METAL PANELS, CMU, MASONRY, SMOOTH ELEMENTS, AND THEY DO HAVE A LARGE CANOPY ALONG THE MAIN ENTRANCES AS WELL. AND THERE IS PROTECTION FOR PEDESTRIANS USING BOLLARDS AS WELL. YOU CAN SEE THE RED BOLLARDS RIGHT THERE. YEAH. SO THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL SECTOR AND WITHIN THE SPECIAL PLANNING AREA IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THIS PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE USES LISTED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND HERE I CAN SHOW YOU AN AERIAL IMAGE. OF WHAT SURROUNDING. SO YOU DO HAVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE. THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT'S A. BUFFERED BY A RAILROAD TRACK. AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE IT'S LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. HOWEVER, SOME OF THOSE LOTS ARE GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL SINCE THAT IS ACTUALLY A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT NOW. SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S LOCATED ALREADY IN THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AREA. WE DID MALE 44 NOTICES AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, AND WE RECEIVED ONE IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST. AND THAT'S LOCATED WHERE THE CHECK MARK IS ON THIS MAP THAT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL. I CAN GO BACK. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAD ONE DO WE KNOW WHERE THE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO COME IN. THEY COME OFF WESTGATE OR 544. NO, THE TRUCK ROUTE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MICHAEL CLARK. I'M WITH EXCUSE ME. WINKLEMAN AND ASSOCIATES, 6750 HILLCREST PLAZA, SUITE. SORRY, I NEED TO FIND A PLACE TO PUT THAT SUITE. 215, DALLAS, 75230. THE THE TRUCKS ARE ARE. IT'S DESIGNED TO BRING THE TRUCKS IN ONE OF TWO WAYS. THEY CAN EITHER COME IN ON SAND AND AT THE SIGNAL COME ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND PULL IN. OR THEY CAN COME IN ON, ON WESTRIDGE. I THINK MOST OF THE TRUCKS GIVEN THIS, GIVEN THIS LOCATION WILL BE COMING FROM THE SOUTH OR THE WEST. SO THEY'LL BE COMING EITHER UP SAND IN OR FROM THE EAST OR EXCUSE ME, FROM THE WEST EASTBOUND. SO THEY'LL COME AROUND AND THEN. IS THAT WORK? OKAY, GREAT. SO IF THEY'LL COME AROUND HERE, THIS IS THE DOCK. AND THEN WE'VE DESIGNED THIS WITH RADII SO THAT THEY CAN COME BACK OUT AND GO THIS WAY. SO I DON'T THINK WESTRIDGE IS GOING TO BE THE LOCATION. PARDON. WESTGATE. THANK YOU. NO WONDER NOBODY KNEW WHAT I WAS [00:10:04] TALKING ABOUT. THE BUT NO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE ENVISION. TRUCKERS WILL DO WHAT THEY WHAT THEY DO. BUT I THINK EVERYBODY COMING FROM THE WEST WILL USE THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION. AND NOW THAT I'M UP HERE, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. SO HOW MANY SO HOW MANY ENTRANCES FROM 544 IS THERE. IS THERE TWO. AND THEN THE SIGNAL ONE IS THE THIRD ONE. IS THAT WHAT I'M READING? IT. THERE'S THE DRIVE HERE AT THE MEDIAN OPENING A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT IN THIS LOCATION. AND THEN THE SIGNALIZED EXTENSION OF SAND IN. OKAY. AND WAS THERE A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE ON THE IMPACT FOR TRAFFIC? THERE WAS NOT A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE GIVEN THE EXCUSE ME, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE THE MEDIAN OPENINGS WERE ALREADY ESTABLISHED AND WE'RE PROVIDING DSL LANES. SO THERE WAS REALLY NOT MUCH TO, TO, TO, TO ADD. SORRY, ONE MORE THING. SO AT THE MEDIAN OPENING THEY'RE COMING OR COMING FROM THE WEST GOING EAST. THAT IS A TURN LANE THAT'S IN THERE. RIGHT. THERE IS NO TURN LANE HERE NOW, BUT WE ARE CONSTRUCTING ONE WITH OUR PLANS. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO JUST TO KIND OF BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY THING, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ARGUE DURING RUSH HOUR THAT 544 IS AT CAPACITY, BUT IN GENERAL, THERE'S CAPACITY ON 544, ANY TRAFFIC THAT THIS WOULD GENERATE. AND THEY'RE DOING ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD NORMALLY REQUIRE, SUCH AS THE DECEL LANES, THE EXTENSION OF THE LIGHT AND ALL THAT OTHER THINGS. SO THAT'S WHY ONE WASN'T NECESSARILY DONE JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY DOING ALL THE STUFF THAT A, A TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO DO. THANK YOU. YEAH, I THINK IT WAS JUST AND THAT'S ONE THING I'VE THE MOST COMMENTS I'VE HEARD IS TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC AND WILL THEY'RE WILL THE THAT THAT LIGHT AT SAND IN IS A IS A TEX DOT LIGHT I'M ASSUMING CORRECT. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION WAS, IS THE LIGHT AT SAND IN IN 544 TEX DOT DO YOU KNOW. YES, I THINK WE'LL BE. I MEAN, WE WILL HAVE TO GET IT PERMITTED THROUGH TEX. DOT YES. YEAH. IT'LL HAVE TO BE PERMITTED THROUGH THE CITY FOR WHO'S MAINTAINING THAT SIGNAL. BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I JUST I KNOW THE OTHER THING WOULD BE IS THAT LIGHT GETS GETS WONKY AT TIMES RIGHT NOW AND PEOPLE CAN GET STUCK ON SAND. AND SO I JUST IT'LL BE RETIMED AND EVERYTHING. OH YEAH. DEFINITELY. ANYONE ELSE. OKAY. WE HAVE ONE, TWO PEOPLE HERE THAT HAVE TURNED IN NOTICES TO SPEAK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THE FIRST ONE. OH YEAH. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YEAH. THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYONE HAS COMMENTS. WE DO HAVE THE ONE FROM THIS ONE FROM ANDRE PENA. ANDY. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. HELLO. MY NAME IS ANDRES PENA JR. I GO BY ANDY. I'M HERE TO OPPOSE. EXCUSE ME, COULD YOU GIVE ME YOUR ADDRESS? OH, MY ADDRESS IS 928 MARBLE CREEK DRIVE, WHICH IS A COMMUNITY RIGHT BEHIND THAT PICTURE THEY PUT UP THERE, RIGHT BEHIND THE ARBY'S. WE HAVE A COMMUNITY OF 200 HOMES. I'M CURRENTLY THE HOA PRESIDENT. I'VE BEEN THE PRESIDENT FOR 15 YEARS, MAYBE 17 YEARS. I'VE BEEN THERE 21 YEARS. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WANT TO VOICE MY STRONG OPINION FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. WHILE COMMERCIAL GROWTH IS UNDERSTANDABLE, THE SPECIFIC LOCATION IS ENTIRELY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THREATENS THE SAFETY OF OUR FAMILIES. OUR PRIMARY CONCERN IS THE SEVERE TRAFFIC IMPACT ON 544. YOU SAID THERE WAS NOT A TRAFFIC STUDY. I WENT TODAY AT 427 TO GO TO TOM THUMB. THE TRAFFIC WAS BACKED UP FROM 78 ALL THE WAY UNTIL THAT INTERSECTION WHERE THERE WERE VEHICLES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION TRYING TO CROSS. 544 SO THE TRAFFIC IS BAD ALREADY THERE. AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF OUR FAMILIES. OUR PRIMARY CONCERN IS THE SEVERE TRAFFIC ON 544. THE ARTERY IS ALREADY HEAVILY CONGESTED, ADDING THOUSANDS OF REGIONAL SHOPPERS [00:15:01] AND HIGH VOLUME FUEL STATION WILL CREATE A DAILY GRIDLOCK WHEN 544 BOTTLENECKS FRUSTRATED DRIVERS WILL USE WESTGATE, WHICH GOES RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY COMMUNITY, AS A PRIMARY SHORTCUT, FORCING DANGEROUS HIGH VOLUME TRAFFIC TRAFFIC DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WILL CREATE A BARRIER THAT MAKES IT INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT FOR WILEY CREEK HOLLOW RESIDENTS TO SAFELY ENTER AND EXIT OUR COMMUNITY. EVEN MORE ALARMING IS THE PROXIMITY TO WILEY HIGH SCHOOL. HUNDREDS OF STUDENT DRIVERS, SCHOOL BUSSES AND PARENTS NAVIGATE THAT CORRIDOR EVERY MORNING AND AFTERNOON, MAKING A MAJOR REGIONAL HUB, RETAIL HUB AND HEAVY FREIGHT DELIVERY TRUCKS WITH BUSY SCHOOL ZONE IS A RECIPE FOR SEVERE ACCIDENTS. IT DIRECTLY COMPROMISES THE SAFETY OF OUR LOCAL STUDENTS. FINALLY, A PROJECT OF THIS MASSIVE SCALE SIMPLY DOES NOT BELONG RIGHT NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. THE REQUESTED REZONING AND FUEL STATION PERMITS WERE INTRODUCED. CONTINUOUS NOISE, LIGHT POLLUTION, AND TRAFFIC HAZARDS AGAINST THE BORDERS OF THE ESTABLISHED HOMES. A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS MAGNITUDE BELONGS NEAR A MAJOR HIGHWAY, NOT AN OVERSATURATED LOCAL CORRIDOR BORDERED BY SCHOOL NEIGHBORHOODS. I STRONGLY URGE THE COMMISSION TO DENY THE REZONING REQUEST, AS THE SPECIFIC USE PERMITS TO PROTECT OUR STUDENTS AND OUR COMMUNITY. I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS OVER THAT RETENTION POND. I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS GOING TO BE A RETENTION POND. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THAT POND. IS IT GOING TO AFFECT THE GROUNDWATER NEXT NEXT TO OUR COMMUNITIES? I DON'T KNOW, SO I DON'T KNOW. I DO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL AND DEVELOPERS IF I CAN ASK, OKAY, WHAT SPECIFIC MODIFICATIONS TO 544 REQUIRED BY THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TO PREVENT GRIDLOCK DURING PEAK HOURS? AND WHO IS FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING THEM? CUT THROUGH PREVENTION WHAT SPECIFIC TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES WILL THE CITY REQUIRE TO PREVENT FRUSTRATED DRIVERS FROM USING WESTGATE AS A BYPASS TO AVOID THE BOTTLENECK PROPERTY ACCESS? HOW WILL THE CITY GUARANTEE THAT RESIDENTS OF WILEY CREEK HOLLOW WILL STILL HAVE SAFE, UNINHIBITED ENTRY AND EXIT ACCESS ONTO THE MAIN CORRIDOR, WHICH IS WESTGATE. TO AVOID MAIN CORRIDOR DURING HIGH VOLUME SHOPPING WINDOWS. STUDENT PROTECTION GIVEN THE HEAVY INFLUX OF PARENTS AND NOVICE DRIVERS ARE WIDELY HIGH SCHOOL WITH THE DATA, WHAT DATA PROVES THAT INTRODUCING A HIGH VOLUME WAREHOUSE CENTER AND A HEAVY FREIGHT DELIVERY TRUCKS WON'T INCREASE THE RATE OF SEVERE ACCIDENTS IN THIS IMMEDIATE AREA. BUS ROUTE CONFLICT HAS A CITY COORDINATED WITH WILEY ISD TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TO STUDY HOW DELIVERY TRUCK SCHEDULES AND RETAIL QUEUES WILL DELAY OR IMPACT OR DISRUPT LOCAL SCHOOL BUS ROUTES. SPECIFIC USE PERMIT JUSTIFICATION WHY IS AN AGRICULTURAL TO COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR REZONING APPROPRIATE? DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, RATHER THAN KEEPING A STRICT BUFFER ZONE AND FUEL SAFE FUEL STATION HAZARD? WHAT SPECIFIC ENVIRONMENTAL AND AIR QUALITY SAFETY PROTOCOLS ARE BEING MANDATED FOR THE HIGH CAPACITY FUEL STATION AND AUTO CENTER BEING BUILT NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL BACKYARDS? I THINK 40 PUMPS IS PRETTY HIGH VOLUME. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. PENA. YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING. NOW. YEAH. OKAY. WE ALSO HAVE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FROM NANCY PENA. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. MY NAME IS NANCY PENA. I LIVE AT 928 MARBLE CREEK DRIVE HERE IN WYLIE. HE ASKED MOST OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I WANTED TO ASK. THE ONLY THING IS, WHEN THEY BROUGHT UP THAT PICTURE, HE SAID THAT THEY SENT OUT MAIL TO THE ADDRESSES AND ONE CHECK MARK WAS CHECKED. I. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY MAIL. OUR NEIGHBORS HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY MAIL, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT MAIL THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND, AND THEN I WAS WONDERING HOW LONG THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE MY HUSBAND JUST READ IN THE PAPER ON TUESDAY THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING. SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME, OR ARE WE JUST HEARING ABOUT IT? I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST VERY CONCERNING TO US. 544 IS A MESS. WYLIE HAS GROWN SO MUCH. MURPHY IS HORRIBLE. THE TRAFFIC IS JUST HORRIBLE. NOW. I JUST CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH A COSTCO DOWN THAT STREET. AND THEN IT'S EVEN BIGGER THAN WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE. LOOKING AT ALL THE PLANS THAT THEY PUT UP ON THE SCREEN. SO I'M JUST VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. OUR CHILDREN THAT GO TO SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL, THE DRIVERS, THEIR NEW DRIVERS, THE, THE SEMIS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME IN AND OUT. IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE A TOTAL COMPLETE MESS. SO THANK YOU. [00:20:08] WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ADDITIONAL? QUESTIONS? NO, I MEAN, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JOHN PAUL ANDREWS, DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE FOR COSTCO WHOLESALE. YOUR ADDRESS? ADDRESS? 459 40 HORSESHOE DRIVE, STERLING, VIRGINIA. OKAY, SO I JUST TOOK A FEW NOTES THERE, HEARING SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE VOICED, STARTING WITH TRAFFIC, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE, THE, THE SORT OF SHARED CONCERN, EVEN THOUGH A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS NOT REQUIRED OF US, WE ALWAYS ENGAGE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO WORK FOR US. I MEAN, THE MOST BECAUSE WE'RE A MEMBERS ONLY, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT OUR MEMBERS ARE FEEL LIKE IT FUNCTIONS WELL. THEY FEEL SAFE SO THAT THEY CONTINUE TO WANT TO SHOP WITH US AND RENEW THEIR MEMBERSHIPS. SO WE WILL ENGAGE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER WE HAVE IN THIS CASE, WHERE THEY GIVE US AN ASSURANCE THAT HOW WE'RE DESIGNING THIS IS GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE. TRAFFIC ENGINEERS WE USE HAVE A LONG HISTORY WITH US. SO THEY KNOW OUR TRAFFIC PATTERNS. THEY KNOW WHAT TO ANTICIPATE. SO WHEN WE DESIGN THESE, WE'RE TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHETHER THE CITY REQUIRES IT OR NOT. WE'RE OBVIOUSLY MAKING A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS HERE BECAUSE WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT WE'LL BRING SOME ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, BUT ANY OTHER BUSINESS OR ANY OTHER RETAILER WOULD AS WELL. ONE THING I WILL SAY ABOUT THE TIMING OF OUR TRAFFIC, AS OPPOSED TO OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE IN THIS PLACE, LIKE YOU COULD HAVE RESTAURANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT COULD GO UNTIL TWO IN THE MORNING AND HAVE A BROADER TRAFFIC CONGESTION PERIOD, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE HAVE A UNIQUE HOURS WHERE WE DON'T OPEN UNTIL LIKE 10:00 IN THE MORNING. SO THAT ALLOWS US TO NOT BE IN A POSITION TO REALLY CONFLICT WITH THINGS LIKE SCHOOL TRAFFIC AND MORNING RUSH HOUR, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT OPEN AT THAT POINT. SAME THING WITH OUR OUR CLOSING HOURS. WE'RE NOT LATE AT NIGHT, BUT WE'RE NOT EARLY IN THE EVENING. WE'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, 8:00, 9:00 AT NIGHT. SO WHICH TENDS TO BE AN IDEAL TIME TO ALLOW OUR SHOPPERS TO DODGE THE RUSH HOURS AND NOT CONTRIBUTE SO MUCH TO THAT. AS FAR AS DELIVERY TRUCKS, WE ACTUALLY START OUR STOCKING AT 4:04 A.M. IN THE MORNING, SO WE GET OUR TRUCKS IN EARLY AND GET ALL THAT STUFF DONE WELL IN ADVANCE OF OPENING AT 10:00 IN THE MORNING. SO THE TRUCK TRAFFIC IS USUALLY IN AND OUT LIKE BEFORE. PEOPLE ARE EVEN REALLY HITTING THE ROAD. THE FUEL FACILITY, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE'S 40 PUMPS. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THIS. WE'RE ACTUALLY AT THE MOMENT LOOKING TO DO 32 FUELING POSITIONS, 16 PUMPS WITH A DISPENSER ON EACH SIDE. SO THERE'S 32 FUELING POSITIONS. THE REASON WE'RE SAYING 40 IS WE'VE ALLOWED FOR THE POTENTIAL FOR A FUTURE EXPANSION SHOULD TEN YEARS FROM NOW, OUR FUEL FACILITY IS EVEN MORE POPULAR, THAT WE'RE NOT CONSTRAINED, THAT WE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD MORE PUMPS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 32 RIGHT NOW. 32 DOES SOUND LIKE A LOT, BUT THE REASON WE DO. 32 WHEN WE FIRST STARTED DOING THESE BACK IN THE 80S, IT WAS JUST. 612 FUELING POSITIONS. BUT AS WE BECAME POPULAR, IT STARTED TO CREATE CONGESTION, THE QUEUING AND ALL OF THAT. SO THE REASON WE MAKE THEM SO BIG NOW IS NOT TO JUST DRIVE A LOT OF GAS SALES. IT'S TO KEEP IT LIKE SMOOTH, A SMOOTH OPERATION WHERE THERE'S NO CONGESTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SCIENCE FOR US. THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING THAT I NOTED THAT ANDY SAID, LET'S SEE. NO, THAT THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERED THE KEY POINTS THAT I HEARD IN THAT. NOW, WE DO HAVE OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, MIKE, HERE WHO CAN SPEAK TO THE RETENTION POND, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY CONCERNS THERE. I MEAN, IF ANYTHING, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY. IT'S VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY. AND ON THAT NOTE, SO IS OUR FUEL FACILITY. WE YOU KNOW, OUR FUEL FACILITIES. WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED A GREEN MACHINE THAT CAPTURES 99% OF ANY VAPORS THAT COULD POSSIBLY ESCAPE. SO IF THERE ARE SCHOOLS NEARBY AND RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, IT'S A COMMON THING THAT WE HEAR LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT THE THE HAZARDS WITH A FUEL FACILITY? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PERFECT TRACK RECORD WITH, YOU KNOW, SPILLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S A VERY WELL CONTAINED SYSTEM. WE HAVE DOUBLE WALL FIBERGLASS TANKS IN THE GROUND. SO SHOULD THERE BE A LEAK, IT HAS TO LEAK THROUGH ONE WALL AND THEN IT INTERACTS WITH AN INTERSTITIAL FLUID THAT SENDS ALARMS BEFORE IT CAN EVER EVEN GET THROUGH THE SECOND LAYER. SO IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR, FOR SOMETHING TO, TO HAPPEN LIKE THAT. IT'S A VERY WELL DESIGNED SYSTEM WITH A LOT OF REDUNDANCIES. WE TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN THAT. AND AS FAR AS LIKE THE CLEANLINESS OF THE FUEL, WE LIKE TO SAY THAT KIRKLAND SIGNATURE FUEL ACTUALLY MEETS FIVE TIMES THE EPA STANDARD FOR CLEANLINESS AND HOW WE'RE ABLE TO DELIVER [00:25:02] ON THAT, AS WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SPECIAL TANK IN THE GROUND THAT HAS A DETERGENT IN IT SO THAT WHEN WE GET A DELIVERY FROM ONE OF THE BIG NAMES LIKE SHELL OR BP, AND IT COMES THREE TIMES THE EPA STANDARD FOR CLEAN, WE'RE ABLE TO ADD THE OTHER DETERGENT IN THERE TO GET THAT FIVE 5% GUARANTEED. SO VERY CLEAN FUEL ON SITE, VERY WELL CONTAINED, VERY SAFE OPERATION. AND IT IS MEMBERS ONLY FUEL FACILITY IS LIKE THE WAREHOUSE IS MEMBERS ONLY. SO THE PUBLIC CAN'T JUST COME OFF THE ROAD AND GET GAS. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? IF NOT, THEN I'LL CLOSE. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. NOW. ANYBODY ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS UP HERE? YEAH. SO AND THIS MIGHT BE NOTHING. WE CAN'T. SO ON WESTGATE IS THERE OUR TRUCKS ALLOWED TO GO PAST THE RAILROAD TRACKS THERE THROUGH THAT UP TOWARDS THE SCHOOL AND UP TOWARDS BROWN. YOU KNOW, I LIVE JUST NORTH OF THERE. YOU'D THINK I'D KNOW. IT'S LIKE THOSE THINGS WHERE, YES, SOMEBODY WITH THE COLOR OF THEIR KITCHEN IS. AND YOU'RE LIKE, I CAN'T REMEMBER. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A, THERE'S NO, NO TRUCK SIGNS THERE, BUT I DON'T IN ALL THE YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED HERE, I DON'T RECALL EVER SEEING AN ACTUAL SEMI GO UP THAT FAR. SO I CAN'T IMAGINE THEY, YOU KNOW, LIKE HE SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT A TRUCK DRIVER IS GOING TO DO. BUT THE HOLE WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM AND THE WAY THE SITE'S DESIGNED I, I CAN'T SEE YOU KNOW, THEM GOING ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS. CAN I, I WANT TO ADD WHAT WAS YOUR. NANCY. THANK YOU. MISS PENA SAID, TALKED ABOUT THE NOTIFICATIONS. WE GO BY STATE LAW AND STATE LAW SAYS WE HAVE TO SEND THEM OUT 200FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. AND WE HAVE OUR COMPUTER DOES THAT. AND SO THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHEN SOME PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD WON'T NECESSARILY GET NOTIFIED FOR THE OTHER FOLKS, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE OVER 200FT FROM THAT LINE, YOU MAY NOT, YOU STILL MAY NOT GET IT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE STREET CURVES OR WHATEVER. SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. TO ACT, CONSIDER, ACT UPON A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WE HAVE A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. AND MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL BY COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. SECOND HAS BEEN BROUGHT BY COMMISSIONER SHARON. PLEASE REGISTER YOUR VOTES. AND IT PASSES. SO THAT RECOMMENDATION WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL, AND THAT WILL BE ON THE 8TH OF SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE. YEAH. 8TH OF SEPTEMBER IS WHEN COUNCIL WILL MAKE A FINAL DECISION. OKAY. THERE'S NO [WS1. Hold a work session to discuss the rezoning of property generally located at 1751 McMillen Road.] OTHER ITEMS ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. SO IT'S THERE WILL BE READ. MOVE ON TO THE WORKING SESSION. THEY'LL HOLD A WORKING SESSION TO DISCUSS THE REZONING OF PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED AT 1751 MCMILLAN ROAD. OKAY. SO THIS IS A PD THAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BACK IN 2020. IT WAS A A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT HAD BASICALLY LIKE AN AGE IN PLACE CONCEPT. THERE WAS GOING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, RENT TO OWN AND THEN LIKE AN ASSISTED LIVING TYPE OF FACILITY, VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT'S LIKE BEHIND TARGET, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF STUFF WITH THE SAME KIND OF AMENITIES AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO IT WAS KIND OF AN AGE IN PLACE KIND OF THING. AND BASICALLY WHAT'S HAPPENED IS SINCE 2020, THE MARKET'S KIND OF FLUCTUATED. AND SO THE ASSISTED LIVING SPACE IS NOT GOING AS STRONGLY AS THE DEVELOPER HAD HOPED. AND ALSO, IN ORDER TO, TO BUILD THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOME KIND OF INCOME FROM PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT BEFORE THEY CAN GET THROUGH THE ENTIRE DEVELOPME&T. AND I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY THAT BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING [00:30:02] FOR IS THEY NEED TO ADJUST THE LAYOUT TO WHAT YOU SEE HERE FROM THE ORIGINAL, AND THEN ALSO WANT TO DELETE A SECTION OF THE ORIGINAL PD THAT TALKED ABOUT CONCURRENCY. THEY WERE ORIGINALLY REQUIRED. PART OF THE PD WAS TO BUILD THE ENTIRE THING AT ONCE. AND WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IS BE ABLE TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY. AND THE THE TOWNHOMES SECTION OF IT FIRST, WHILE RESERVING SPACE FOR THE DEPENDENT AND THE ASSISTED LIVING. ONE OF THE THINGS THE OTHER CHANGES THAT THEY'VE PUT IN IS THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS WOULD INCREASE FROM THE ORIGINAL PD SAID 4000, AND THEY WANT TO GO TO 5000 ON THOSE. SO I WILL SAY THIS, THAT WHEN DURING THE WHEN THE COMP PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS REDONE BACK IN 2020, A COUPLE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS DURING THE HEARINGS THAT WENT ALONG WITH THAT, TALKED ABOUT THIS PROPERTY ACTUALLY CAME UP. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WAS THAT IF THIS PROPERTY WASN'T BUILT, HOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED IN THE PD OR AS IT WAS DESIGNED IN THE PD, THEN THEY WOULD PREFER THAT IT GO TO SINGLE FAMILY. AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS MARKED DOWN IN THE LAND USE PLAN. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE THE APPLICANT HAS GRANDFATHERED YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ZONING IN PLACE. OUR GENERAL OPINION IS THAT THEY ARE KEEPING IT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT. BUT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL WAS KIND OF ADAMANT ABOUT THE CONCURRENCY PART. YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST IF YOU GO BACK AND WATCH THE MEETING AND LOOK THROUGH THE NOTES, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT WAS, I BELIEVE, KEVIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY TABLED AND BROUGHT BACK. AND THE FINAL DECISION WAS MADE BECAUSE OF THE CONCURRENCY ISSUE. SO ALTHOUGH THEY ARE GENERALLY STAYING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, IT THEY ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF AN ISSUE WITH THE COUNCIL THAT DID APPROVE THIS. SO WE'VE ASKED THEM TO COME TO Y'ALL AND THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO GO TO COUNCIL AND JUST TALK ABOUT IT AND, AND SEE WHAT WHAT THE FEELING IS ABOUT MAKING THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT THEY WANT TO WITH THE PD. AND WITH THAT, I KNOW THAT THE CURRENT LANDOWNER, MR. PING, IS HERE AND SO IS THE DEVELOPER AND ACTUALLY ALSO LIKE TO SHOW. SO THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED, RIGHT. AND IT HAS THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. AND JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT. AND THEN SO NOW WITH THE PROPOSING IS JUST TO HAVE IT MOSTLY FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY AND THE MULTIPLEX DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THAT WILL COME LATER. ESSENTIALLY, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. SO THAT'S WHY WE ADDED THE, THE OLDER CONCEPT PLAN AS WELL, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE BEFORE AND AFTER ESSENTIALLY. BUT YEAH, THE, THE DEVELOPER CAN COME UP AND SPEAK IF YOU WOULD LIKE. SO THIS IS A WORK SESSION. SO THERE'S NO VOTE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST MORE OF A GENERAL FEEL. ASK QUESTIONS. WE'LL ASK YOU QUESTIONS YOU CAN ASK US. YEAH. DON PING PING PING. INTERESTING. 15574 ADDISON ROAD OR DALLAS PARKWAY, ADDISON, TEXAS. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING, AND I THANK THE BOARD FOR. FOR YOUR QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE AND ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. I HAVE. SO. HOW MANY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WERE IN THE ORIGINAL ONE? AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT NUMBER HAS GONE DOWN. IS THAT CORRECT? FOR THIS? IT IS ACTUALLY THE SAME NUMBER. ACTUALLY, WE HAVEN'T CHANGED ANY OF THE NUMBERS ON ANY OF THE UNITS AT ALL. IN FACT, ALL THE SQUARE. SPACE IS STILL GOING TO BE THE SAME. ALL THE ASSISTED LIVING AND INDEPENDENT LIVING ACREAGE WILL BE THE SAME. SO BASICALLY ALL WE DID IS REARRANGED IT. AND WE'RE BECAUSE OF SOME FEMA CHANGES, WE'RE ABLE TO UTILIZE MORE OF THE SPACE THAN WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO. THE FIRST TIME WE WERE LOOKING AT IT. SO THAT INDEPENDENT LIVING THAT'S LIKE APARTMENTS, MULTIFAMILY. YEAH, THE INDEPENDENT ASSISTED LIVING WOULD BE LIKE AN APARTMENT BUILDING. YEAH. THOSE WOULD BE AN APARTMENT STRUCTURE. AND THE [00:35:03] ASSISTED LIVING WOULD BE ANOTHER STRUCTURE THAT WOULD HAVE ALSO LIVING SPACES IN IT. AND WE'RE ALSO PUSHING TO HAVE MEMORY CARE AS WELL IN THAT STRUCTURE. SO YOU, Y'ALL WANT TO DO AWAY WITH CONCURRENCY. WHAT IS THE SCHEDULE LOOK LIKE? LIKE HOW'S I'M ASSUMING THE SINGLE FAMILY FIRST AND THEN WELL, WE WOULD PROBABLY GO AHEAD AND DO EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME. ALL THE ROADWAYS WOULD BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME. AND THE SEGREGATION OF THE INDEPENDENT LIVING AND ASSISTED LIVING WOULD BE MARKETED AS A SEPARATE ENTITY IN THE PROJECT. OKAY, SO THAT YOU'D BE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO COME IN AND DO THAT PART, SEPARATE DEVELOPER THAT SPECIALIZES IN THAT BUSINESS. OKAY. WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH SOME PEOPLE IN THE PAST, AS JASON KNOWS, AND UNFORTUNATELY, COVID KIND OF PUT A WRENCH IN THE WORKS AND HELD US UP. AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AND INFORMED US THAT THE, THE WAY THE MARKET IS AND THE INDUSTRY IS, THEY RIGHT NOW ARE INVESTING MORE IN EXISTING PROPERTIES THAN THEY ARE BUILDING NEW ONES. BUT THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SO MANY PEOPLE RETIRING ALL THE TIME. AND AT SOME POINT THERE'S JUST GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING FOR TO EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS. SO AT SOME POINT, ONCE THAT GETS ALL CAUGHT UP, EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE INVESTING IN RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO NEW. OKAY, YEAH, I WENT BACK AND WATCHED THOSE ONES. AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE SIX MONTHS. IT COULD BE. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE OVER EXAGGERATING SIX YEARS BEFORE SOMEONE COMES IN. I'M USING JUST RANDOM NUMBERS. IT COULD BE ANY, ANY TIME. YEAH, OF COURSE WE DON'T WANT THAT. BUT YEAH, YEAH, WE DON'T WANT THAT LAND TO SIT IDLE. WE, WE WANT IT TO GET DEVELOPED AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. SO WE'RE CONTINUALLY MARKETING THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET IT. YOU KNOW, LINED UP WITH A DEVELOPER AND IT'S STILL ALL BE UPPER AGE GROUP OR AGE 55. YEAH, IT'S STILL 55 PLUS. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE. WE'VE BEEN AN INVESTOR IN THE, THE WYLIE AREA SINCE 2018. AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY INVESTED QUITE A BIT INTO THIS PROPERTY ALREADY. AND, AND ALREADY INVESTING MORE EVEN AS WE SPEAK. SO WE'VE ALREADY DONE TRAFFIC STUDIES, WE'VE DONE ALL THESE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE FEEL THAT WE NEED TO DO TO MOVE FORWARD. SO. OKAY, SO THIS IS A 55 PLUS. THAT'S CORRECT. WHEN I FIRST READ THAT, TWO THINGS CAME TO MIND. LADERA AND THE ONE OVER BY THE TWO HOTELS, AND THAT ONE HASN'T BEEN AS SUCCESSFUL. I DON'T THINK IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE. WELL, ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND. SO LADERA HAS BEEN DOING WELL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR SALES NUMBERS ARE, AND I'M NOT TRACKING THAT ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS, BUT I DRIVE THAT WAY AND SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THOSE HOUSES ARE SELLING PRETTY WELL. AND. LADERA. YEAH. OH YEAH. WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME. AS FAR AS THE MERIDIAN, NOT MERIDIAN. I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF IT. ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND THAT IS NOT ONLY 55 AND OLDER, THAT'S ALSO INCOME ADJUSTED. YEAH. SO YOU KNOW, YOU WANT PEOPLE THERE OBVIOUSLY THAT NEED TO BE THERE. BUT I DON'T THINK THEIR SUCCESS IS NECESSARILY LAID OUT. AS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF SUCCESS FOR THAT PARTICULAR ONE. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE TARGETING A DIFFERENT, RIGHT? MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING, LOOKING, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY, IF THEY'RE DOWNSIZING, THAT'S FINE. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO TRY TO REDUCE COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEASE AS WELL. SO. ANYONE ELSE, IF YOU DIDN'T GET IT, YOU DIDN'T FIND DEVELOPERS FOR THE OTHER TWO PARTS. WHAT WOULD THE PLAN BE? WHAT WOULD THE PLAN BE? [00:40:03] YEAH, LIKE I WE DON'T WE'RE NOT GETTING BITES. WE WANT TO DEVELOP IT IS IT? HEY, WE'LL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY OR THAT THERE'S NO PLANS OR EVEN THOUGHTS OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AT THIS POINT, WE'RE THINKING THAT ONCE WE GET THIS IN PLACE, ALL THE THE LIVING SPACES IN PLACE AND THE DEVELOPMENT NORTH OF US THAT'S BEEN GOING FOR A WHILE IS THEY'RE ALREADY BUILDING UP THERE. THAT'S ANOTHER CLIENT BASE FOR THIS ASSISTED LIVING PROPERTY. SO ALL THIS ADDITIONAL ASSISTED LIVING OR EXCUSE ME, AGE RESTRICTED LIVING SPACES THAT ARE IN THE CITY. WE'RE GOING TO BE THE, THE NEWEST AND POSSIBLY THE BEST IN THE AREA FOR ASSISTED LIVING. THAT'S THE PLAN. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO HAPPEN. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE INVESTED FOR SINCE 2018 ACTUALLY. SO I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE NOT I JUST I REMEMBER WATCHING THAT ONE AND I THINK, CORRECT ME WRONG, YOU WERE SAYING DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PART, THEY WERE WOULD POTENTIALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS AS SINGLE FAMILY. AND I THINK BACK IN WHEN THIS FIRST CAME OUT, IT WAS MORE OF LIKE, WE'VE DEALT WITH OTHER DEVELOPERS. I THINK WE'RE THEY DON'T DO THINGS CONCURRENTLY. AND THEN THEY COME BACK LATER AND SAY, OH, WE WANT TO DO MORE, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE WHAT ELSE WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO. AND IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE, I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF FOR SOME REASON IT DIDN'T COME BACK WITH SINGLE FAMILY. LET'S SAY THAT SITUATION DOES OCCUR FOR WHATEVER REASON. YOU GUYS HAVE THE CONTROL OF WHATEVER HAPPENS TO THOSE TWO TWO LOTS. THAT IS ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE CAN'T SAY THAT WHAT WE WANT, THE WAY THAT MR. PING IS, IS ASKING FOR THE ADJUSTMENT TO THE PD. IT DOESN'T GET RID OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE ASSISTED LIVING IN THE INDEPENDENT LIVING. IT JUST GETS RID OF THE CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL A BIG DEAL. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT. AND HE HAS SAID, LIKE I SAID, WE GET A PHONE CALL ABOUT EVERY SIX MONTHS FROM SOMEBODY SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO DO THIS. BUT AND THEY ALWAYS WANT TO DO SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. SO I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THIS PART WOULD BE FINE. BUT OUR MAIN CONCERN WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS IT GOING TO BE ALL OR NOTHING OR IS IT OKAY TO, YOU KNOW, GET THE BALL ROLLING AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS? SO IF WE REMOVE THE CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENT, WHAT WILL BE THE FOCUSED FIRST? YOU MEAN AS FAR AS THE AS FAR, AS FAR AS FAR AS THE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF STRUCTURES THAT YOU WOULD BE BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY? IF WE REMOVE CONCURRENCY, WHAT WOULD YOU BE INTENDING TO GO WITH FIRST? WELL, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE THEY'LL BE CONCURRENT. THEY'LL BE THE. THE SINGLE SPACE LIVING SPACES AND THE WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE MULTIPLEX. THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY TOWNHOMES. THEY'RE MULTIPLEX UNITS. OKAY. SINGLE FAMILY OR SINGLE UNITS CONNECTED, SINGLE STORY. EVERYTHING'S SINGLE STORY OUT HERE. OKAY. SO THEN IF EVEN IF WE WE REMOVE THE CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENT AND YOU WOULD STILL BUILD BOTH OF THOSE STRUCTURES, WHAT THESE CAN I INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND? GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. SO I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE ZONING EXHIBIT WILL STILL BE CONCURRENT. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ONE OF THESE OR THE OTHER ONE. CORRECT. YEAH. THAT'S THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD. OKAY. SO THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE BUILDING ALL THREE. YES. ALL OF THAT WAS WILL BE BUILT. WHAT YOU SEE ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE ONLY THING THAT DISAPPEARS IS THE ACTUAL LIKE APARTMENT STYLE INDEPENDENT LIVING BUILDINGS. OKAY. THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THEN IT'S REALLY JUST REMOVING THAT FOR FLEXIBILITY PURPOSES. OR THE MAIN THING. MR. PINK CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THAT WITH WHAT HE'S PROPOSING TO BUILD, WILL ALLOW HIM TO PUT IN ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT SHOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO MARKET TO THE THAT'S RIGHT. TO THE MEMORY CARE AND ASSISTED LIVING FOLKS, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PUTTING IN WATER LINES AND SEWER LINES AND THE ROADS AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF. THAT'S. SO THIS BASICALLY PAYS FOR THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO GET TO IS LIKE, WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE? MORE INVESTMENT FOR US ACTUALLY, AND HAVING THAT NEW ROADWAY IN FRONT OF US AND THE NEW BRIDGE AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. I MEAN, THAT'S A HUGE PLUS. IT TAKES AWAY SOME OF THE RISK A [00:45:06] LOT. YEAH. WELL, WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WE ALL DID. WE ALL THOUGHT IT MAY HAVE A LITTLE MORE PALATABLE TO ANYBODY. YEAH. YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS AN INVESTMENT GOES BECAUSE THEY'RE MONEY, THEY'RE GOING TO BE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A FIXED AMOUNT OF FUNDING TO BUILD THOSE THINGS. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE WITH THE MONEY THEY HAVE. IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO IT'LL BE A MUCH, I THINK, A MUCH CLEANER AND MUCH MORE AVAILABLE TYPE OF SERVICES THAN THEY WOULD HAVE TO, TO REDUCE IF THEY HAD TO PUT THE INVESTMENT INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE I AGREE, AND I DON'T THINK WE REALLY HAVE ANYTHING SIMILAR TO THIS, NOT A COMPLETE AGE IN PLACE. WE HAVE THEM SPREAD AROUND TOWN IN DIFFERENT FACILITIES, BUT NOT UNDER ALL UNDER ONE DEVELOPMENT. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, ONCE EVERYBODY'S DONE WITH THEIR QUESTIONS FOR MR. PING, WHAT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO IS JUST KIND OF GO DOWN THE LINE AND YES OR NO. WHETHER THIS IS WORTH MR. PING'S TIME PURSUING, HE IS GOING TO HAVE A WORK SESSION WITH COUNCIL, BUT THERE IS SOME MORE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. WE'LL HAVE TO REDEFINE THE PD AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF. SO THERE'S A LITTLE THERE'S A LOT MORE, YOU KNOW, STAFF TIME AND TIME OF HIS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE WOULD WOULD NEED TO HAVE TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO BRING BACK SOMETHING THAT'S USABLE. BUT WE JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, OR, OR HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF THE FIVE OF YOU, HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE. SO ONE QUESTION I DO HAVE IS, IS THERE A IS THERE WOULD THERE BE A TIME LIMIT ON PUTTING THE OTHER PIECE? I THINK AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WHY COUNCIL WAS WAS ADAMANT ABOUT IT WAS THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ACTUALLY IN WESTGATE DOWN THERE, WHERE THERE WAS OTHER DEVELOPMENTS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN WITH THOSE APARTMENTS. AND THEN IT DIDN'T NEVER ACTUALLY TRANSPIRED THE WAY THEY INITIALLY WAS. SO I GUESS, IS THERE A TIME, A TIME FRAME TO GET IT TO GET IT DONE? OR I WOULD SAY WORRY THAT WE'RE SITTING THERE AND JUST SIT WITH VACANT LOTS FOR WHO KNOWS HOW LONG. WELL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE PRESENTLY MOVING FORWARD. LIKE I SAID, WITH ALL OF OUR STUDIES AND GETTING EVERYTHING LINED UP, WE'RE PUTTING ALL OF OUR CONSTRUCTION PLANS TOGETHER, GETTING EVERYTHING READY. WE'RE HOPING THAT SOMETIME FIRST PART OF NEXT YEAR, WE CAN START CONSTRUCTION. AND AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE ACTIVELY MARKETING THOSE TWO FRONT SECTIONS ALREADY. SO ASSUMING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET IT DONE. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN LAND ANOTHER DEVELOPER SOON THAT WILL, THAT SPECIALIZES IN THAT. OBVIOUSLY WE WANT THAT BECAUSE WE WE WANT THE DEAL TO COME TOGETHER FOR THEM AS WELL AS ALL THE REST OF IT. SO IT'S IT'S A POSITIVE FOR EVERYTHING IF WE CAN GET IT ALL GOING AT THE SAME TIME. SO, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING WE'LL DO IT WITHIN A YEAR OR TWO YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I'M THAT'S OUR DIRECTION. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT I MEAN, WE HAVE A. MARKETING COMPANY ALREADY IN PLACE. THEY'VE BEEN MARKETING FOR A WHILE. SO AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF GOOD CONTACTS IN, IN THE CITY AND IN THE STATE. SO. SO WITH THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY ALREADY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DIFFERENT ONES AND DIFFERENT ONES. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT HAS THERE BEEN A STUDY DONE, AS YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE IS THERE IS THE NEED FOR THIS THERE OR IS THERE NOT NO NEED FOR IT? I GUESS THAT'S OH, YEAH, THERE'S BEEN QUITE A FEW STUDIES ACTUALLY. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INVESTMENT IN STUDIES. AND SO LIKE I SAID, THE RETIREMENT MARKET IS JUST CONSTANTLY GOING UP. IT'S NOT GOING TO SLOW DOWN ANYTIME SOON. OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS PROBABLY. AND UNTIL WE START GETTING INTO OTHER GENERATIONS THAT DON'T HAVE THE SAME POPULATION THAT WE DO NOW. BUT SO YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE. AND SO THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A BREAKING POINT WHERE THESE INDUSTRY LEADERS IN THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO START INVESTING FORWARD INTO NEW, NEW PROPERTIES. THEY'VE THEY'VE PULLED BACK SINCE COVID. AND PLUS, THE INTEREST RATES HAVEN'T BEEN HELPFUL. SO A LOT OF LOT OF THINGS HAVE. AND THE. TRYING TO FIND A EMPLOYEES THAT CAN SERVICE THESE INDUSTRIES HAS BEEN DIFFICULT. SO. THE, THE LEVEL OF, OF. YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY THESE [00:50:13] PEOPLE IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO UP, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEY KNOW THAT THEY I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, I'VE GONE TO CONFERENCES ON THESE THINGS, AND I'M NOT EVEN IN THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS, BUT I'VE GONE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN INVITED TO GO. AND SO I'VE, I'VE HEARD ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED, AND THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS COMING TO A HEAD. THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING SOON. SO WE'RE HOPING IT'S GOING TO BE REAL SOON. BUT AND IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, ALL THE INVESTMENT THAT THEY'VE DONE IN EXISTING PROPERTIES HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE COVID STARTED, ACTUALLY. SO WE'RE TALKING SIX YEARS NOW. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A POINT WHERE IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO IT'S GOING TO THEY'RE CAUGHT UP AND THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO GO, BUT KNEW. SO. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? WELL, THEN ACCEPT YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND WE'LL GIVE THEM A SENSE OF THE COUNCIL OF THE COMMISSION. I COULDN'T SEE SORRY, COMMISSIONER MOLINA. NO, NO, NO. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME. YEAH, HE'S SITTING DOWN THERE. I'M FINE WITH IT. NO CONCERNS FOR ME. I'M FINE WITH. I'M SURE COMMISSIONER SHARON, I, I STILL DO HAVE SOME HESITANCY ABOUT IT BECAUSE I JUST WORRY THAT IT'S NEVER GOING TO COME. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OPEN VACANT LOTS THERE. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN IS THAT IS THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, FIVE, TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, IT'D STILL BE WAITING FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. AND SO AND THAT'S SOME NICE PRIME REAL ESTATE IN THE CITY. OKAY. AND I'M SURE THAT THAT WILL BE WELL COVERED WITH THE CITY CITY COUNCIL WHEN THEY GET INTO IT. COMMISSIONER HANDLER. I'M OKAY WITH IT. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. I'M OKAY WITH IT. IT'S NOT THE SAME AS LIKE THAT DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY HAD TO PUT IN COMMERCIAL. IF IN THE PAST CITY COUNCIL SAID THAT IT COULD BE MORE, THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO MORE RESIDENTIAL. WORST CASE SCENARIO IS IT TURNS INTO MORE RESIDENTIAL, SO I'M FINE WITH IT. THE THING I LIKE ABOUT IT IS IT GIVES YOU A SEQUENCING OF LIFE. AND WHEN PEOPLE GET A LITTLE BIT OLDER, THEY START AS I AS I KNOW, MOST PEOPLE THINK THAT YOU HAVE THE SERVICES AVAILABLE TO THEM. I THINK THAT'S GOOD. AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CITY OR LEAVE. WILEY. YEAH. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. I THINK THAT YOU'VE GOT THE SENSE OF THE COMMISSION, I DO. THANK YOU SIR. MR. PING, YOU GOOD? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL TALK. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS FOR TONIGHT? WE WILL HAVE A MEETING ON THE 1ST OF SEPTEMBER. OKAY. BE HERE. YEAH. IS COMMISSIONER IS COMMISSIONER MOLINA. THERE'S NO MORE BUSINESS. I WOULD I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. MOTION TO ADJOURN IN A SECOND. SECOND. BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO ADJOURN. VOTE, PLEASE. I NEED THAT NOTE. IT HAS A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MOLINA. OH, YEAH. YEAH YEAH, * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.