Jun 23, 2026 City Council & Work Session

[CALL TO ORDER]

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AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE JUNE 23RD, 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THE CITY OF WYLIE, TEXAS AT THE WYLIE MUNICIPAL CENTER. THE TIME IS 6:01 P.M..

WE DO ASK IF YOU'RE HERE THIS EVENING AND YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE WITH YOU.

IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT IT'S EITHER SET TO VIBRATE OR TURNED OFF SO AS NOT TO DISTURB PROCEEDINGS.

IF YOU DO GET A CALL THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE, WE ASK THAT YOU STEP OUT TO OUR ATRIUM.

MADAM CITY SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE ROLL AT THIS TIME? YES, MAYOR. MAYOR. MATTHEW PORTER. PRESENT. COUNCILMAN.

DAVID DUKE. PRESENT. COUNCILMAN DAVE STRANG. PRESENT.

MAYOR. PRO TEM. PRESENT. COUNCILMAN. TODD. PICKENS.

PRESENT. COUNCILMAN. SCOTT. WILLIAMS. PRESENT.

COUNCILMAN SID. HOOVER. PRESENT. MAYOR PRO TEM GINA MALIKI.

PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MISS STORM.

AT THIS TIME, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION LED BY COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE, WHICH I WILL LEAD. YOU WOULD PRAY WITH ME. LORD, WE COME TO YOU REPRESENTING OUR CITY.

WE COME TO YOU WITH HEARTS FOR OTHERS RATHER THAN OURSELVES.

WE ASK THAT YOU GUIDE AND DIRECT THOSE DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE TODAY.

HELP THEM TO BE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR CITIZENS.

THANK YOU LORD, FOR THOSE THAT SERVE OUR CITY DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

THOSE THAT SERVE OUR COUNTRY DAY IN AND DAY OUT, PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE AND FAMILIES SACRIFICED TO LET THEM GO TO WORK IN ORDER TO PROTECT US. WE THANK YOU FOR THESE FREEDOMS. WE THANK YOU FOR THE ABILITY TO COME TO YOU.

WE ASK YOU TO BLESS ALL THESE DECISIONS MADE TODAY.

IN JESUS CHRIST'S NAME, AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE.

TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

PLEASE BE SEATED. SO OUR FIRST ORDER OF

[PR1. Presentations for Outgoing Wylie Board and Commission Members.]

SO I WOULD ASK THAT WHENEVER I CALL INDIVIDUALS FORWARD, IF YOU WILL COME AND JOIN ME DOWN FRONT AT THAT TIME AND FOR PRESENTING EVERYTHING, I WILL ASK THE MAYOR PRO TEM TO JOIN ME DOWN FRONT.

SO OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HONOR THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED US WHETHER ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION, TO JUST THANK THEM FOR THEIR TIME, WHETHER IT IS THAT THEY'RE MOVING ON, WHETHER THEY'VE BEEN APPOINTED ELSEWHERE OR WHETHER THEY HAVE TURNED OUT.

SO IF YOU ARE HERE THIS EVENING, WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU STEP FORWARD.

WE HAVE A SMALL GIFT FOR YOU AND WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

HAVING SERVED ON THE BOARD OF REVIEW. FERNANDO MARTINEZ, ARE YOU HERE THIS EVENING? SO HE DID SERVE FROM JULY OF 24 THROUGH THE END OF THIS JUNE 26TH FROM THE CONSTRUCTION CODE BOARD.

DO WE HAVE FRANKLIN MCMURRAY? OKAY. MR. MCMURRAY ALSO SERVED ON PLANNING AND ZONING.

HE WAS ON CONSTRUCTION CODE BOARD FROM JULY 1ST OF 2024 THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 26TH, SERVING THE SAME PERIOD ON PLANNING AND ZONING.

ALSO, WE HAVE AKBAR SHEIKH. OKAY. UNABLE TO MAKE IT THIS EVENING AS WELL.

SERVED AS AN ALTERNATE ON OUR CONSTRUCTION CODE BOARD FROM JULY 1ST, 2024 THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 2026.

FROM OUR HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION, EDWIN CAFFREY.

OKAY, MR. CAFFREY, AS WELL SERVED FROM JULY 1ST, 2024 THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 2026.

NEXT WE HAVE TASHA KIMBALL. AND I KNOW YOU'RE HERE THIS EVENING.

AND SO MISS KIMBALL SERVED FROM JULY 1ST OF 2020 THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 2026, WHICH IS THE TERM LIMIT FOR THE LIBRARY

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WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HONOR PARKS AND RECREATION FOR B BOARD MEMBER WHITNEY MCDOUGALL, WHO SERVED FROM JULY 1ST, 2023 THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 2026. FROM PLANNING AND ZONING, WE HAVE FRANKLIN MCMURRAY AND I DON'T THINK HE, AS WAS MENTIONED, MADE IT THIS EVENING, AND KEITH SCRUGGS.

MR. SCRUGGS SERVED FROM JULY 1ST OF 2022 THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 2026 FOR THE PUBLIC ARTS ADVISORY BOARD, STEVE SCHENK. WHO ALSO TERMED OUT FROM THAT BOARD AFTER SPENDING SIX YEARS FROM JULY 1ST, 2026 THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 26. WE HAD MINAJ. PATTI. DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? WHO SERVED ON THE PUBLIC ARTS ADVISORY BOARD FROM JULY 1ST, 2024 THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 2026.

NEXT IS CHANTEL MCMURRAY. WHO SERVED FROM JULY 1ST, 2024 THROUGH JUNE 30TH, 2026.

ALSO ON THE PUBLIC ART ADVISORY BOARD FROM OUR ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, RICHARD COVINGTON.

MR. COVINGTON SERVED FROM JULY 1ST, 2020 THROUGH JUNE 30TH, 2026.

SIX YEARS OF SERVICE AND ALSO REACHED THE END OF HIS TERM.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, GORDON HECKEL HICKEL.

WHO SERVED JULY 1ST, 2024 THROUGH JUNE 30TH, 2026.

SO AGAIN, THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO SERVED, TO THOSE WHO COULDN'T MAKE IT THIS EVENING.

I KNOW IT'S TOUGH TO MAKE MEETINGS DURING THE SUMMER.

FOR THOSE WHO ARE ABOUT TO JOIN US ON THE NEXT ONE, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE.

[PR2. Oath of Office for Incoming Board and Commission Members.]

THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. SO IF YOU ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO BE SWORN IN ONTO A BOARD OR COMMISSION, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME AS WELL AS OUR JUDGE.

AND IF YOU'RE ON COUNCIL AND BEING SWORN IN LIKE ME AND COUNCILMAN HOOVER.

WE'RE REPRESENTING THE COUNCIL ON THE FOUR B BOARD, SO JOIN ME AS WELL.

I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

AT THE END, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO TAKE EVERYONE'S PICTURE. SO GOT TO MAKE IT EASY ON THE PHOTOGRAPHER HERE. ALRIGHT.

SO THERE WILL BE SOME TIMES WE'LL SAY STATE YOUR NAME OR STATE YOUR BOARD.

SO THAT'S WHEN YOU STATE YOUR NAME INDIVIDUALLY.

ALL RIGHT. I STATE YOUR NAME. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM, SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES.

OF THE OFFICE OF. AND OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND WILL, TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND.

THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES.

AND OF THIS STATE. SO HELP ME, GOD. HELP ME GOD.

THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE ALL KNOW CRAIG'S GOING TO DO IT. SO WE'RE GOING TO. HE'S GOING TO WANT EVERYONE TO TRY TO CENTER FROM RIGHT HERE WHERE THIS GENTLEMAN IS.

IT'S ABOUT WHERE THIS STORM IS. SO IF THOSE TWO ARE NOT AS TALL, CAN STEP FORWARD AND A LOT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.

JUST A LITTLE. HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON? HEY, ONE MORE TIME.

YEAH, ONE MORE TIME. I'M STILL ON THE ARTS. I CAN GET EVERYBODY.

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SO.

AGAIN. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JUDGE PHIL FOR COMING THIS EVENING.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO SWEAR US ALL IN.

SO WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK THOSE WHO ARE HERE FOR PARKS AND RECREATION CAN COME FORWARD IF WE HAVE BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE IF YOU'RE ON PARKS AND REC FOR B

[PR3. National Park and Recreation Month.]

AND THEN OF COURSE, ALL OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE.

SO WE'RE A FEW DAYS EARLY TECHNICALLY ON THIS ONE, AS I THINK IT'S JULY THAT WE'RE HONORING AS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH.

BUT PARKS AND RECREATION HERE IN WYLIE IS A BROADER TERM.

THERE MAY BE SOME CITIES THAT SPLIT SOME OF THE FUNCTIONS THAT YOU ALL SERVE OUT, BUT THEY TOUCH A HUGE NUMBER OF LIVES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY RUN PROGRAMS AND EVENTS FOR EVERYONE OF ALL AGES.

ARE YOU A SENIOR LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO DO.

THEY RUN THE SENIOR CENTER. ARE YOU AN INDIVIDUAL WHO LIKES TO VISIT HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AND STOP BY AND SEE PERIOD PIECES AND TRAVELING EXHIBITS? WELL, THEY ALSO OPERATE THE BROWN HOUSE DOWNTOWN.

ARE YOU INTERESTED IN TAKING YOUR KIDS TO A PARK OR EVEN YOURSELF GETTING OUT AND ENJOYING SOME EXERCISE? YOU KNOW, THIS TIME OF YEAR, MAYBE ABOUT TWO IN THE MORNING.

AND THAT'S A JOKE BECAUSE OF THE HEAT. BUT IT'S GREAT TO SEE ALL THAT THEY DO.

THEY OPERATE OUR SPLASH PADS FOR THE LITTLE KIDS.

SPEAKING OF THE HEAT, THEY HAVE THE DOG PARKS HERE FOR THOSE FOUR LEGGED FRIENDS WHO NEED A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA ROOM TO STRETCH THEIR LEGS BEYOND THE BACKYARD.

THEY DO AN AMAZING JOB ALSO OF MAINTAINING THE SPORTS FIELDS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT ARE USED BY OUR LITTLE LEAGUES, BY, I CALL THEM ALL LITTLE LEAGUES. SO REGARDLESS OF SPORT, I KNOW EACH SPORT HAS A TERM.

THEY OPERATE OUR REC CENTER, WHICH HELPS KEEP PEOPLE MOBILE, WHICH BRINGS PEOPLE IN FOR ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT CLASSES.

THEY OPERATE OUR PICKLEBALL COURTS, WHICH YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE ON THOSE AND MANY, MANY OTHER THINGS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. EVEN SOME THINGS AS MUNDANE AS TAKING CARE OF WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL GREEN SPACE THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY, KEEPING THOSE THINGS, WHETHER IT'S MOWED TO A CERTAIN LEVEL, PICKED UP.

THOSE ARE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT ALL FALL UNDER THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

AND THAT'S WHY I SAY IT IS BROAD, AND IT REACHES THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR CITIZENS ON A YEARLY BASIS.

VERY FEW DEPARTMENTS OUTSIDE OF TYPICALLY PUBLIC SAFETY OR UTILITIES REACH THAT NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS ON THAT TYPE OF LEVEL, ON THAT REGULAR OF A BASIS. SO AGAIN, I WANT TO JUST SAY THANK YOU ALL, GIVE YOU ALL A CHANCE TO SPEAK.

CARMEN, I'LL LET YOU START AND THEN LET EVERYONE INTRODUCE THEMSELVES SINCE THEY ALL CAME.

AND THEY SHOULD KNOW THAT BY NOW. BUT AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.

HI, I'M CARMEN PALIN. I'M THE PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.

GOOD EVENING, NICK PUENTE, PARKS AND REC BOARD CHAIRMAN.

BRANT STOWERS, THE ASSISTANT PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.

I'M SYDNEY TURNER, I'M PARKS AND REC BOARD. RICARDO GOEBEL, PARKS AND REC SUPERVISOR.

JENNY LAMBERT, PROGRAMMER. HI. ALI HOLMAN, PROGRAMMER.

JULIE PINNELL, PARKS AND RECREATION SUPERVISOR.

MAY I? OKAY. I HAD JUST A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO ADD.

THANK YOU FOR THE WONDERFUL COMMENTS. SO PARKS AND REC NATIONAL PARK AND RECREATION MONTH WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1985, AND WE'VE BEEN CELEBRATING IN WYLIE SINCE 2011.

THAT WAS WITH THE OPENING OF THE REC CENTER NEXT DOOR.

LAST YEAR, MORE THAN 36000 PEOPLE IN WYLIE PARTICIPATED IN PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH ACTIVITIES WITH US.

I THINK PROBABLY YOU MAY WANT TO CORRECT ME, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE MORE POPULAR ACTIVITIES WAS THE NERF WARS.

IS THAT CORRECT? WHICH WE ARE BRINGING BACK AGAIN THIS YEAR.

THE THEME FOR THE AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL IS THE POWER OF PARKS AND RECREATION, CELEBRATING PARKS AND RECREATION AND THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE IT ALL POSSIBLE BY HIGHLIGHTING HOW THEY REVEAL THE POWER OF CONNECTION, PLAY, COMMUNITY, NATURE, BELONGING, AND WELL-BEING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, I HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR YOU ALL THIS EVENING.

SO WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION SERVICES ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, HELPING TO MAINTAIN OUR HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE WHILE IMPROVING THE PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH OF OUR RESIDENTS. AND WHEREAS WILEY IS HOME TO MORE THAN 700 ACRES OF PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE, 19 MILES OF TRAILS, 23 PLAYGROUNDS, 12 PAVILIONS, SOCCER FIELDS, BASEBALL FIELDS, FOOTBALL FIELDS, A NINE HOLE DISC GOLF COURSE, CRICKET PITCH, AND MUCH MORE.

AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMING AND EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES SUCH AS CAMPS, YOUTH SPORTS, THE ARTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION ARE CRITICAL TO CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT.

AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION SERVICES IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY'S ECONOMIC PROSPERITY THROUGH INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES, EXPANSION OF THE LOCAL TAX BASE, TOURISM, THE ATTRACTION AND RETENTION OF BUSINESSES, AND CRIME REDUCTION.

AND WHEREAS, THE WILEY PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT'S MISSION IS TO SPARK CONNECTION WITH SELF, FAMILY AND COMMUNITY THROUGH MEANINGFUL PARKS AND RECREATION EXPERIENCES.

NOW, THEREFORE, I AM MATTHEW PORTER, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF WYLIE, TEXAS.

ON THIS, THE 23RD DAY OF JUNE 2026. I AM HONORED TO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF JULY 2026 AS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH IN WYLIE, TEXAS, AND URGE ALL CITIZENS TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANT ROLE WYLIE PARKS AND RECREATION PLAYS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS TO VISIT A PARK OR GET INVOLVED IN A RECREATION ACTIVITY NOT ONLY DURING THE MONTH OF JULY, BUT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

THANK YOU ALL. AS WE GET SET FOR A PICTURE.

SPEAKING OF WAYS THAT YOU CAN VISIT A PARK, I'M GOING TO PUT A PLUG IN JULY 3RD, WE HAVE OUR CELEBRATION.

OF COURSE, IT'S AMERICA'S 250TH CELEBRATION. WE WILL HAVE AT THE PARK FIREWORKS.

WE WILL HAVE THE FIRE ENGINE, I GUESS THE QUINT.

I'LL USE THE TECHNICAL TERM. GETTING THE NOD BEHIND WILL BE DOING A SPRAY AREA FOR THE KIDS TO STAY COOL.

WE'LL HAVE LIVE MUSIC FROM SOME LOCAL GROUPS, INCLUDING ONE WITH FIRST RESPONDERS IN IT.

THERE'LL BE FOOD TRUCKS, BOUNCE HOUSES AND MORE.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A FREE NOW, OF COURSE YOU GOT TO PAY FOR THE FOOD.

BUT AS FAR AS FREE EVENT OTHERWISE, TO COME OUT TO IT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO COME OUT, ENJOY THE COMMUNITY, SEE ONE OF OUR MAIN PARKS HERE IN TOWN SO YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND FIND OUT MORE.

SO OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS THIS EVENING ARE OUR COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS.

[COMMENTS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS]

AND WE DO REQUEST COMMENTS BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR AN INDIVIDUAL SIX IF OFFICIALLY REPRESENTING A GROUP.

IN ADDITION, THE COUNCIL IS NOT ALLOWED TO CONVERSE, DELIBERATE OR TAKE ACTION ON ANY MATTER PRESENTED DURING CITIZEN PARTICIPATION.

UNDER THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, MISS STORM, HAVE WE HAD ANY FORMS TURNED IN TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? YES, MA'AM. I BELIEVE WE HAD THREE. YES, MA'AM.

YES. OKAY. SO WITH THAT I WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL THEM IN THE ORDER THAT I HAD THEM PRESENTED TO ME THIS EVENING.

IF I GET YOUR NAME WRONG, I. YOU'RE WELCOME TO CORRECT IT WHEN YOU COME FORWARD.

IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND YOUR TIME WILL START AFTER THAT.

FIRST THIS EVENING IS BETHANY SULLIVAN.

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GOOD EVENING. I'M BETHANY SULLIVAN FOR 17 RUSH CREEK DRIVE IN WYLIE, AND I'M JUST AN ORDINARY WYLIE CITIZEN.

BUT I AM A PASSIONATE READER AND I WANT TO USE MY FEW MINUTES TONIGHT TO ADVOCATE FOR THE RIGHT FOR ALL THE OTHER PASSIONATE READERS AND CITIZENS OF WYLIE, TO HAVE ACCESS TO ANY BOOK BY ANY AUTHOR ON ANY TOPIC AT SMITH PUBLIC LIBRARY. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE REASON I MOVED TO WYLIE FROM THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE PENNSYLVANIA WAS SMITH'S PUBLIC LIBRARY. SO LIFE CHANGING MOMENT IN THE LIBRARY BROUGHT ME HERE.

THAT SHOWS MY PASSION. NOW, AN OPEN EXCHANGE OF BOOKS ALLOWS PEOPLE TO SHARE IDEAS, ALLAY FEARS, AND SOLVE PROBLEMS TOGETHER EVEN WHEN WE'RE FEARFUL OR DISAGREE.

AND COMMUNITIES GROW STRONGER WHEN WE ALL HAVE OPEN ACCESS TO DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS.

NOT ONLY DOES THIS FOSTER GREATER UNDERSTANDING, BUT IT ALSO ENABLES COLLABORATION, LIKE ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES THAT WE HAVE HERE IN WILEY, BECAUSE WE DISCOVER THAT OUR COMMONALITIES TYPICALLY OUTWEIGH OUR DIFFERENCES.

AS YOU'RE AWARE, YOU KNOW, OPEN ACCESS TO THE LIBRARY AND BOOKS AND ALL KINDS OF READING MATERIAL IS GUARANTEED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT. BUT I WANT TO RECOGNIZE PARENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT THEIR CHILDREN READ.

I JUST DON'T WANT THOSE PARENTS TO PRECLUDE ME OR ANY OTHER CITIZEN OF WILEY, FROM LETTING THE REST OF US READ SOMETHING.

SO PLEASE CONTINUE TO PRESERVE OPEN ACCESS TO INFORMATION FOR OUR.

AND LET OUR LIBRARY CURATE A COLLECTION THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF ALL OF ITS PATRONS.

AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME TONIGHT AND OTHER OTHER NIGHTS AND SERVING ON THE WILEY CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THE SECOND FORUM I HAVE THIS EVENING IS LARRY HEATH.

SO AGAIN, SIR. AND I DO SEE YOU ARE HERE REPRESENTING STONE RANCH COMMUNITY.

SO I BELIEVE YOU WERE THE HOA PRESIDENT. YEAH.

OKAY. I'M SORRY SIR. OKAY. SO YOU'RE HERE REPRESENTING STONE RANCH COMMUNITY THIS EVENING? YES. CORRECT. OKAY. SO IF YOU WILL STATE YOUR.

SO I WILL ASK MISS STORM TO PASS THOSE OUT TO THE COUNCIL.

BUT I WILL GO AHEAD AND LET YOU HAVE YOUR SIX MINUTES, OF COURSE, TO SPEAK.

OH, SURE. IF YOU'LL BE ADDRESSING THESE. SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO BE PASSED OUT.

SO WE'LL GET THOSE. YEAH, SHE'LL PASS THEM OUT.

WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU GO AHEAD AND START IF YOU'LL START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, SIR. MY NAME IS LARRY HEATH.

I LIVE AT 507 VIRGINIA LANE IN WYLIE, AND IT'S IN A COMMUNITY CALLED STONE RANCH.

GO AHEAD. YEP. THE REASON WHY I ASKED TO PRESENT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE WYLIE NEWSPAPER THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE STONEHAVEN HOUSE, WHICH IS IN OUR COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU.

I'M PRETTY SURE YOU HAVE MAYOR BEEN TO OUR COMMUNITY TO SEE THE STONEHAVEN HOUSE.

IT'S ON THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY'S RECORDS AND HAS BEEN.

SO THE FIRST PAGE HAS TO DO WITH THE ARTICLE THAT WAS IN THE WILEY NEWSPAPER JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO.

AND THEN THE SECOND PAGE IS ACTUALLY AN ARTICLE THAT WAS FROM THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS REGARDING THIS BECOMING A NATIONAL OR A STATE HISTORICAL SOCIETY FACILITY.

THE THIRD ITEM DOWN IS A STONE RANCH HOA THAT'S A PETITION.

I'VE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR ALMOST THE BEGINNING OF STONE RANCH.

AND SO WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR EIGHT YEARS, AND THE STONEHAVEN HOUSE HAS BEEN ON THE DOCKET TO BE

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SO I'VE BEEN TALKING TO REALTORS ABOUT THE EFFECT OF THAT HOME ON OUR COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO THE VERY LAST PAGE, THAT'S WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE TODAY IS IN SUCH DEPLORABLE CONDITION THAT ONE OF THE WINDOWS LAST MONTH JUST FELL OUT. THE HOUSE IS BASICALLY ROTTEN.

I WAS INSIDE THE HOUSE ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO BECAUSE THE DOOR WAS OPEN AND I WAS CONCERNED.

I WAS THE HOA PRESIDENT AT THAT TIME, AND I WAS CONCERNED THAT PERHAPS THERE WERE SOME KIDS IN THE HOUSE, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NO ONE IN THERE, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE HOUSE WAS IN ROUGH CONDITION AND IT WAS I WAS AFRAID THAT I WAS GOING TO FALL THROUGH THE FLOOR IN MANY AREAS.

SO I MADE SURE THAT IT WAS EMPTY. I LEFT THE HOUSE, LOCKED THE DOOR BEHIND ME, AND AND I THINK NOW THE CITY ACTUALLY PREVENTS ANYONE FROM GOING INTO THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL LIABILITY THAT THE DANGER OF FALLING THROUGH THE FLOOR.

SO THAT SHOULD TELL YOU THAT THE HOUSE IS IN SUCH WEAK CONDITION.

WE'RE A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT THE HOUSE COULD ACTUALLY BE PICKED UP AND MOVED TO A LOT WITHOUT JUST FALLING APART.

WE HAD A HAILSTORM LAST YEAR AND THE ROOF HASN'T BEEN FIXED.

AND SO THERE'S BEEN WATER COME INTO THE HOUSE MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT WORSE.

BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURE, IT'S IT HASN'T BEEN PAINTED, IT HASN'T BEEN MANAGED, IT HASN'T BEEN LANDSCAPED. NOTHING. SO WE'VE JUST BEEN ASKING YOU TO PLEASE, I KNOW THAT YOU PUT A PAUSE ON THIS HOUSE NOT WANTING TO MAKE A DECISION FOR SOME REASON, BUT MY GUESS IS THAT REASON IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT SO FAR THERE'S BEEN ABOUT $120,000 RAISED FOR THE RESTORATION OF THE HOUSE.

I'VE ALSO BEEN TOLD BY OTHER CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE THAT IT WILL COST ABOUT A HALF $1 MILLION, IN THEIR ESTIMATION, TO RESTORE THE HOUSE. THAT'S A LONG WAYS FROM $120,000.

SO WE'RE JUST PLEADING WITH YOU. DON'T LEAVE IT THERE UNTIL YOU GET READY TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.

WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PLEASE MOVE IT TO SOME SITE.

IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT OR PUT IT ON ITS PERMANENT LOCATION, PLEASE CONSIDER JUST PUTTING IT ON A SITE SOMEWHERE SO THAT IT CAN REST THERE UNTIL A DECISION CAN BE MADE, WHAT TO WHAT TO DO WITH IT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING, BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THAT PROBABLY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MOVED BY THE 1ST OF JULY. AND NOW I'M HEARING MAYBE THE 1ST OF OCTOBER.

OUR REALTOR TOLD US THAT THAT HOUSE PROBABLY IS COSTING US ABOUT 10 TO $15,000 IN OUR HOME VALUE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT A HOME BUYER IS PROBABLY GOING TO ASK FOR IN TERMS OF A DISCOUNT.

BECAUSE IF THEY BUY OUR HOUSE AND THEY TURN AROUND AND TRY TO SELL THAT HOUSE AGAIN, THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE UP AGAINST SOMEONE ELSE REJECTING THAT.

I'M ASKING YOU TO VISUALIZE TONIGHT WHEN YOU DRIVE HOME, WHAT IF THAT HOUSE WAS SITTING NEXT DOOR TO YOUR HOME? WHAT WOULD YOU FEEL LIKE IF YOU WERE GOING TO TRY TO SELL YOUR HOME, KNOWING THAT HOUSE WAS SITTING NEXT TO IT AS IT IS OURS? SO PLEASE JUST GIVE CAREFUL CONSIDERATION, IF YOU POSSIBLY CAN, TO PUTTING THIS AS HIGH ON THE DOCKET AS POSSIBLE AND NOT LETTING THIS DRAG OUT FOR ANOTHER SIX MONTHS OR SO.

CAN I TAKE QUESTIONS IF ANYONE HAS ANY? UNFORTUNATELY, IF IT'S DURING NON-AGENDA, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GO CONVERSE, DELIBERATE OR DISCUSS IT. THAT'S A STATE LAW THAT WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO.

OKAY. WHAT I CAN DO IS I CAN ASK MISS OLLIE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN UPDATE.

I JUST CAN'T DO IT DURING THIS SESSION. BUT I CAN ASK STAFF TO REACH OUT WITH AN UPDATE.

I THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I CAN'T THAT MISS.

OLLIE PROBABLY KNOWS I CAN VISIT WITH HER LATER AS WELL.

SURE. BUT WE, I CAN HAVE STAFF REACH OUT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE.

MISS OLLIE HAS BEEN WONDERFUL TO US IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATION AND HELPING US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEXT STAGE MIGHT BE AND SO FORTH.

UNFORTUNATELY, I'VE NOT HAD THAT SUCCESS WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

THEY NEVER RESPOND TO US. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL JUST CONTINUE TO ASK MISS CALLIE MAYBE WHAT'S ON THE DOCKET,

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I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF THE OF THE PAUSE, BUT ANYWAY, JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

MY TIME IS UP. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU SIR. OKAY. AND THIS EVENING I ALSO HAVE JOSE JUAREZ.

AGAIN, IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOSE PORRAS. I'M AT 1731 PINEWOOD DRIVE.

HOWEVER, I DID WANT TO. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M DOING THIS. I DID WANT TO CLARIFY THAT I AM HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF AND A GROUP OF MY NEIGHBORS.

I APPARENTLY FILLED OUT THE FORM WRONG. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M DOING THIS.

WOULD YOU WOULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR AND JUST TELL ME MAYBE YOUR NEIGHBOR WOULD YOU MAYBE JUST REAL QUICKLY ADD YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO ORGANIZATION.

SO WE JUST. YEAH, WHAT IF IT'S KIND OF YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBORS JUST, OF COURSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU'RE COMING FROM? YES.

DRAWING A BLANK. OH, THERE WE GO.

THANK YOU SIR. AND THEN IF YOU'LL START OVER WITH JUST YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES IN WHICH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL.

VERY WELL. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS JOSE PORRAS, 1731 PINEWOOD PINEWOOD DRIVE, AND I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS.

I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO EXPRESS CONCERN REGARDING THE CITY OF WILEY'S WATER AND SEWER RATES.

I'VE BEEN MEANING TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS SINCE THE DAY I RECEIVED MY FIRST WATER BILL FROM THE CITY OF WILEY.

AND BEING FLOORED BY THE FACT THAT MY SEWER RATE ALONE WAS ALMOST AS MUCH AS MY ENTIRE WATER BILL FROM THE PREVIOUS RESIDENTS THAT I LIVED IN.

I RECENTLY DID A COST ANALYSIS COMPARING WHAT WILEY RESIDENTS PAY COMPARED TO SURROUNDING MUNICIPALITIES.

AND AS I SUSPECTED, THE CITY OF WILEY'S RATES ARE HIGHER, WITH ONLY SMALLER MUNICIPALITIES SUCH AS LUCAS AND MURPHY HAVING HIGHER RATES.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST FACTORS I NOTICED WAS THAT WILEY SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY IN THE AREA THAT CHARGES A VERY HIGH FLAT RATE FOR SEWER SERVICES, WHILE ALL OTHER MUNICIPALITIES SUCH AS RICHARDSON, SACHSE, ALLEN, PLANO AND EVEN LUCAS AND MURPHY CHARGE A USAGE BASED RATE. THE CITY COUNCIL, I BELIEVE, SHOULD STRONGLY CONSIDER TYING SEWER RATES TO ACTUAL USAGE WHEN SEWER CHARGES ARE DISCONNECTED FROM ACTUAL USAGE. I BELIEVE RESIDENTS WHO USE LESS WATER END UP SUBSIDIZING THOSE WHO USE MORE.

A USAGE BASED RATE IS SIMPLY MORE EQUITABLE BECAUSE CUSTOMERS PAY IN PROPORTION TO THE DEMAND THEY PLACE ON THE SYSTEM.

SO RESIDENTS SHOULD PAY FOR THE WASTEWATER THAT THEY GENERATE AND NOT SUBSIDIZE THE CONSUMPTION OF OTHERS OR A HIGHER USE.

NEIGHBORS. A USAGE BASED RATE SYSTEM IS FAIR, ENCOURAGES CONSERVATION, AND PROTECTS LOW VOLUME USERS.

IF A FIXED INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS MUST BE RECOVERED, A COMBINATION OF A SMALL BASE CHARGE AND A USAGE BASED COMPONENT WOULD PROVIDE A MORE EQUITABLE SOLUTION THAN A FLAT RATE IMPOSED ON ALL RESIDENTS, REGARDLESS OF CONSUMPTION.

UNFORTUNATELY EARLIER THIS YEAR ON OUR ALREADY HIGH WATER BILLS, I NOTICED THAT THE CITY TACKED ON AN ADDITIONAL CHARGE TO RESIDENTS LABELED STORMWATER. SO SADLY, THE CITY OF WYLIE SEEMS TO BE PASSING THE COST OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT TO ITS RESIDENTS.

WHEN STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS A BASIC GOVERNMENT RESPONSIBILITY, SIMILAR TO A ROAD MAINTENANCE, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND OTHER OTHER CORE MUNICIPAL SERVICES.

SO, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS DO NOT CONTROL RAINFALL, REGIONAL DRAINAGE NEEDS OR INFRASTRUCTURE DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OVER SEVERAL YEARS. YET WE'RE BEING ASKED TO ABSORB INCREASING COSTS THROUGH FEES SUCH AS THE STORMWATER FEE THAT CONTINUE TO GROW YEAR AFTER YEAR.

MUCH OF THE STORMWATER RUNOFF BURDEN IS CREATED BY COLLECTIVE URBAN PLANNING DECISIONS MADE OVER DECADES.

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SO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, AGAIN, IS A FOUNDATIONAL CIVIC SERVICE SHAPED BY COLLECTIVE DECISIONS AND BENEFITING EVERYONE, AND THEREFORE SHOULD BE TREATED AS A SHARED MUNICIPAL RESPONSIBILITY FINANCED THROUGH THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND.

AS I BELIEVE THE CITY OF WYLIE HAD BEEN DOING, RATHER THAN TARGETING FEES IMPOSED ON INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS.

SO I ASKED THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT OF UTILITY RATE INCREASES ON WYLIE RESIDENTS.

YOU KNOW, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UTILITIES ARE NOT OPTIONAL.

RESIDENTS CANNOT CHOOSE TO STOP USING WATER, WASTEWATER OR DRAINAGE SERVICES.

AS A RESULT, UTILITY RATE INCREASES FUNCTION AS UNAVOIDABLE COSTS THAT FAMILIES MUST ABSORB REGARDLESS OF THEIR FINANCIAL SITUATION.

SO BEFORE ASKING RESIDENTS TO PAY MORE, AND AS BUDGET AND WATER RATES AND SEWER RATES ARE BEING CURRENTLY DISCUSSED, I ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO EXPLORE ALTERNATIVES INCLUDING OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES, PRIORITIZATION OF SPENDING, THE USE OF GENERAL FUND REVENUES FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, AND LONG TERM BUDGET PLANNING THAT MINIMIZES THE NEED FOR RECURRING RATE INCREASES.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR SERVICE, AND OF COURSE, YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THE TOPICS THAT I JUST DISCUSSED.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. SO WITH THAT I DO.

I DO BELIEVE THAT IS ALL OF THE FORMS THAT WE HAD TURNED IN THIS EVENING.

IS THAT CORRECT? MR.. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

COUNCILMAN DUKE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ALL THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN HOOVER, I SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. VOTE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

AND THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED. WITH THAT, WE WILL ACTUALLY BE MOVING INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION BEFORE STARTING THE REGULAR SESSION.

[EXECUTIVE SESSION (Part 1 of 2)]

2026-4B2026-5A AND 2026-6D. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

2026-2L APOLOGIES. MY. IT LOOKS LIKE A ONE, BUT OKAY, IT IS ACTUALLY AN L, SO LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT THAT SHOULD BE L. WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WITH THAT WE WILL COME BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AND RETURN TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA.

[RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION (Part 1 of 2)]

[1. Hold a Public Hearing, to consider, and act upon, the writing of an ordinance for a change of zoning from Commercial Corridor (CC) to Commercial Corridor - Special Use Permit (CC-SUP), to allow for a minor auto repair use on 1.275 acres located at 7940 E. Parker Road (ZC 2026-05).]

SPECIAL USE PERMIT CC SP TO ALLOW FOR A MINOR AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR USE ON 1.275 ACRES.

LOCATED AT 7940 EAST PARKER ROAD. ZONING CASE 2026-05.

MR. HASKINS, THANK YOU, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

AS MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON ABOUT 1.3 ACRES FOR A JUST SHY OF 500 ZERO SQUARE FOOT AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR USE. WE ALL KNOW THAT SUVS ARE REQUIRED FOR ANY AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR USE WITHIN, WHILE WITHIN CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS, AND THE ZONING DISTRICT QUALIFIES FOR THAT. THERE IS A COUPLE OF STIPULATIONS THAT THAT THE APPLICANT IS ALSO ASKING FOR IN ADDITION TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

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WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF AREAS IN TOWN WHERE THOSE HAS, HAS ALSO HAPPENED FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.

AND IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THAT WILL BE PROVIDED ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY TO KIND OF SCREEN THE, THE BAY DOORS A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO ASKING FOR THERE'S AN EXISTING 2400 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

IT'S A METAL BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR THAT TO BE ABLE TO STAY AS A LEGALLY NONCONFORMING BUILDING.

JUST FOR GENERAL STORAGE. IT'S BASICALLY LIKE A LARGE SHED.

IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. AS FAR AS JUST GENERAL YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE SIZE IS FINE AND ALL THAT.

HOWEVER, IT IS A SLIGHTLY OVER THE PROPERTY LINE OR NOT THE PROPERTY LINE. I'M SORRY, BUT THE SETBACK LINE.

AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR IT TO BE ABLE TO STAY.

THE I'M SORRY WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS TO 200.

I'M SORRY WE SENT OUT 200 NOTIFICATIONS OUT TO 200FT.

AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES IN FAVOR OR AGAINST.

THE PNC COMMISSION VOTED FOUR ZERO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

AND THIS IS JUST, ALTHOUGH THIS IS A, A REALLY GOOD ZONING EXHIBIT, IT'S NOT A SITE PLAN.

THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO PNC FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL IF THE ZONING CASE IS APPROVED.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I KNOW THERE WAS A SHORT PRESENTATION WITHIN THE PACKET, BUT THE APPLICANT THAT THEY WERE JUST USING THAT TO PROVIDE INFORMATION AND NOT REALLY TO COME UP AND GIVE A PRESENTATION TO A COUNCIL.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING, AS I MENTIONED. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. MR. HASKINS, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. WILL THIS HAVE CARS PARKED OUTSIDE AFTER OPERATION? HOURS AFTER HOURS? YES. AND WILL THE BUILDING THE SHED ON THE BACK.

THAT WILL NOT BE UPDATED. WILL THAT BE USED AS A PARKING LOT? WHAT WOULD THAT BE? NO, THEY'RE PLANNING ON JUST USING THAT SHED FOR FOR BASIC STORAGE.

SO WILL THEY STORE CARS IN THERE BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE BIG ENOUGH. THERE WON'T BE CARS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT STORED IN THERE.

IT'D BE BASICALLY STUFF THAT THEY COULD USE FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR BUSINESS.

OKAY. WELL AS FAR AS THE CARS PARKED OUTSIDE I MEAN, THEORETICALLY THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE SOMETHING, A CAR LIKE IF IT WAS DOING AN OIL CHANGE AND IT WAS DROPPED OFF AT 5:00 THAT NIGHT AND THE CUSTOMER WAS GOING TO PICK IT UP THE NEXT DAY. BUT THIS IS NOT A COLLISION CENTER. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE SEEING WRECKED CARS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THERE.

THIS IS JUST FOR OIL CHANGES, TIRE CHANGES, THAT SORT OF THING.

OKAY. AND IF I'M READING CORRECTLY IN THE SURROUNDING AREA WITHIN THIS BUILD OUT, THERE IS RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL ZONING ALL OVER THE PLACE.

IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S RESIDENTIAL ZONING TO THE SOUTH.

THAT THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, MA'AM.

OKAY. SO FROM WHAT I'M SEEING HERE, THIS HAS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD, I'LL CALL IT TO THE WEST AND SOUTHWEST, WEST. SOUTH, SOUTHWEST. YEAH. THAT'S FAIR. SO ON, ON TWO SIDES.

AND THEN TO THE EAST IS I'M GOING TO ASSUME AN AG.

YES, SIR. IT LOOKS LIKE AN AG HOME. YES. THEY'VE GOT A PRETTY LARGE POLE BARN NEXT DOOR.

AND YOU KNOW, IT'S AGRICULTURE AND AS FAR AS WE KNOW, IT'S JUST BEING USED FOR RESIDENTIAL AND, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL TYPE STORAGE. OKAY. AND FOR THE EXISTING BUILDING, THE ONLY THING THAT, THAT, THAT THEY NEED IS BECAUSE OF THE SETBACKS.

YES, SIR. IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE DIAGRAM ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THAT'S I MEAN, THOSE LINES AREN'T ALWAYS DEAD ON ACCURATE, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THAT THE BUILDING GOES OVER THAT THE TEN FOOT SIDE SETBACK.

AND IT'S TEN FEET. THE STANDARD SETBACK FOR A BUILDING FOR A BUILDING THAT'S OVER 15FT HIGH.

IT'S TEN FEET. IF THIS WAS A SMALLER, JUST A SMALLER, LIKE A SHED THAT A PERSON WOULD PUT IN THEIR BACKYARD, WHICH ARE ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL USES. THEY JUST DON'T DO IT THAT OFTEN.

IT WOULD BE THREE FEET, BUT BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.

AND WHAT ABOUT THE MAIN BUILDING? HOW FAR DO THOSE TYPICALLY HAVE TO SIT BACK? MAIN BUILDINGS ARE 25FT FROM THE FRONT AND TEN FROM THE SIDES, AND THEN 25 FROM THE REAR.

OKAY. BECAUSE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT BUILDING IS BEING USED AS A MAIN FUNCTION OF THE BUSINESS.

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I'M JUST SAYING FROM A USAGE STANDPOINT. RIGHT.

I WILL SAY THIS THAT I DON'T WANT TO I GUESS I AM GOING TO TIP THEIR HAND A LITTLE EARLY, BUT THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO GET RID OF THAT BUILDING IF NEED BE.

IF THAT'S THE IF THAT ENDS UP BEING ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS.

THEY JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HOLD ON TO IT IF POSSIBLE. NO.

AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT I JUST I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU STORE THINGS NEXT TO AN AGRICULTURAL LOCATION IN A METAL BUILDING, YOU TEND TO HAVE VISITORS. AND I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T HAVE IT NOW.

SURE. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S THAT'S MY CONCERN IS, IS CONTINUATION OF, OF.

YEAH. AND UNWELCOME VISITORS THAT LIKE TO MAKE IT HOME.

YEAH. AND, AND ALSO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH JUST BECAUSE EVEN IF COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THE ZONING AND ALLOW THE BUILDING TO STAY DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT HAS NOT DONE A FULL, IN-DEPTH LOOK AT THAT BUILDING. IT STILL MAY HAVE TO COME DOWN, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY JUST WANTED TO ASK AHEAD OF TIME TO, YOU KNOW, THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE AT LEAST CONSIDER IT. OKAY.

FAIR ENOUGH. COUNCILMAN. DUKE. MR.. HASKINS IF THE BILL IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR THE THE CODE, IF THEY DETERMINE THAT THE BUILDING HAS TO COME DOWN, WILL THE APPLICANT WANT TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING? YES, SIR. BUILD A NEW BUILDING. NOT WITHOUT SITE PLAN APPROVAL, SIR.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. MR. HASKINS, JUST TO CONFIRM THE NOTES I'VE GOT HERE SAY THAT NO ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS OBJECTED OR STATED FAVOR FOR OR AGAINST. THAT IS CORRECT. NOTICES WERE SENT OUT.

YES, SIR. AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.

JUST TO REITERATE WHAT WE WERE SAYING BEFORE, THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT.

RIGHT. LIKE IF IT WAS, IT'S OVER 15FT HIGH. AND SO AND BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, IT'S A TEN FOOT SETBACK, BUT IT'S NOT TEN FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE HEIGHT. WHAT'S THAT? WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING? 16 OR 17.

OKAY. SO JUST SLIGHTLY. YES, SIR. THAT HELPS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY, MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION.

WILL THERE BE SOME SORT OF FENCING AROUND THE PROPERTY THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROPERTY TO ENCLOSE IT FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, SPECIFICALLY TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, OR IT WILL BE OPEN THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW.

WE'LL HAVE TO GO. IT'S WHATEVER THE SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS ARE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING. AND MOST COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES HAVE TO BE SCREENED FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. AND SO WE CONSIDER AG RESIDENTIAL.

SO YEAH, THERE'S THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A FENCE ON THE, DEFINITELY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT ZONED AG DEFINITELY ON THE SOUTH SIDE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE WEST SIDE, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, WHAT THAT SCREEN OR WHAT THAT ZONED, BUT ANYTHING THAT'S EITHER AG OR RESIDENTIAL WOULD HAVE TO BE SCREENED.

SO AND THEN IN THE FRONTAGE IT'S CALLING. I GUESS THEY'RE SAYING THAT IT WOULD, THEY'RE WILLING TO DO ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN ORDER TO KIND OF BLOCK THE FRONTAGE FROM PERSPECTIVE. YES, SIR.

OKAY. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE AND I APOLOGIZE. I JUST NOTICED IT LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS HERE.

DO YOU KNOW IF THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR IS THAT RESIDENTIAL ON THE ON THE WEST SIDE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL USE IS. I KNOW. OKAY.

I JUST NOTICED THEY HAD WHAT LOOKED LIKE USED TO BE SOME SORT OF A SIGN FOR SOME SORT OF POTENTIALLY A BUSINESS.

OR MAYBE THEY WERE SELLING EGGS. YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANT TO COME DOWN AND ADDRESS, I'LL JUST. THAT WAY IT'S ON THE RECORD FOR ANYONE THAT WISHES TO HEAR THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR, IF YOU'LL COME TO THE MIC FOR US. OKAY, SO THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR WAS ACTUALLY A COLLISION SHOP.

SO THE SAME OWNER THAT WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FROM OWNS THAT PROPERTY ALSO, BUT IT'S ZONED AGRICULTURE.

SO BOTH THE PROPERTIES ARE AGRICULTURE. AND REGARDING YOUR FENCING THERE IS A FENCE ON THE SIDE AND THE THE VACANT BUILDING THAT WAS THE COLLISION REPAIR.

THERE'S A FENCE ON THAT SIDE TOO, AND WE'RE WILLING TO ADD THE FENCE ON THE OTHER SIDE TOO, IF NEEDED.

WE'LL WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE ALL THE REPAIRS THAT ARE NEEDED.

FENCE IS ABOUT TO FALL DOWN BASED ON WHAT I'M SEEING.

YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING THAT FOR US.

BEFORE I MOVE ANY FURTHER, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO WITH THAT, MISS STORM, PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT I'M OPENING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.

IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS PRESENT WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM WOULD ASK THAT YOU INDICATE SO AT THIS TIME.

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SO WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR EITHER MR. HASKINS OR FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS ITEM, OR ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AT THIS TIME? MAYOR PRO TEM. I'LL GIVE YOU MY OPINION ON IT.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT. I'M NOT. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO MOVING IT FORWARD.

A COUPLE OF THINGS HAS TO HAPPEN. THE BUILDING ON THE BACK EITHER HAS TO BE RENOVATED FROM SCRATCH OR BE BE DEMOLISHED.

IF WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE THE SITE, THEN WE HAVE TO IMPROVE IT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING. THERE IS SOME BEAUTIFUL HOMES AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE, RIGHT BEHIND IT AND ALL OF IT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING CARE OF EVERYBODY.

AND I DO, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A STIPULATION THAT THE FENCING IS AT LEAST EIGHT FOOT, JUST BECAUSE I WANT A BIT BETTER PROTECTION FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT CALLS FOR. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S ALLOWED, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR. OKAY, SO I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO TO STEP FORWARD WITH HIM.

OKAY? OKAY. AND SO I'M JUST STATING MY OPINION AND THE FRONTAGE TO BE S ENCLOSED IN TERMS OF THERE. THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A BIG CAR PARKING TYPE OF THING.

STRUCTURE HAVE 50, 000 CARS PARKED OUT THERE.

I KNOW IT'S CALLING FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING SPOTS, BUT UNLESS CODE ENFORCEMENT ENFORCES HOW MANY CARS THEY'RE PARKING BASED ON THE PARKING SPOTS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DOES NOT BECOME BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE.

SO THIS THE SITE PLAN STILL HAS TO COME BACK THROUGH STAFF REVIEW.

AND THEN FOR THE PNC COMMISSION AND THE CITY, WE DO HAVE A MAXIMUM ALLOWED PARKING ALSO BESIDES A MINIMUM ALLOWED PARKING.

SO YOU WON'T SEE TOO MANY MORE PARKING SPACES THAN WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN. SO CORRECT. AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE BECAUSE I THINK THE LOT IS PRETTY BIG FROM THE BACK ON THE ON THE BACK POINT, I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE BY AND SEE 20,000 CARS PARKED IN THE BACK.

BESIDES WHAT? OKAY, WHAT? WE'RE ALLOWED. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. AND AM I CORRECT THAT MINE ARE.

AUTOMOTIVE USAGE DOES NOT ALLOW OVERNIGHT PARKING IN GENERAL FOR SERVICING VEHICLES, OR DOES IT? I'LL HAVE TO LOOK FOR SURE. I KNOW WE'VE PUT IT IN.

WE'VE HAD STIPULATIONS IN SOUPS FOR SURE. IF YOU GIVE ME A SECOND, I CAN LOOK FOR THE AUTO REPAIR ON 78 THAT WE APPROVED.

THAT WAS A JUST A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP. AND I THINK IT WAS A RE DONE OR RE ON 78.

WE ASKED FOR NO OVERNIGHT PARKING. YEAH. I KNOW WE DON'T WE DON'T ALLOW LIKE CARS THAT ARE UNDER COLLISION REPAIR.

BUT GIVE ME JUST ONE SECOND. I'LL LOOK IT UP.

AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR MINOR.

THE ONLY THING THAT WE SPECIFICALLY STATE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS THAT ACTIVITIES AND OPERATIONS SHALL BE CONDUCTED ENTIRELY WITHIN AN ENCLOSED STRUCTURE.

SO I MEAN, IF THAT'S A HUGE CONCERN, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD JUST ADD IT AS A SUP CONDITION THAT NO OVERNIGHT, YOU KNOW, OVER PARKING OUTSIDE TO TO CLEAR THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.

OTHERWISE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MAKE A COMPLETE ARGUMENT THAT JUST BECAUSE A CAR IS DROPPED OFF AT 5:00 AND THEY CLOSE AT, YOU KNOW, SIX OR WHATEVER THAT A CAR IS PARKED THERE OVERNIGHT AND THEN IT'S GOING TO GET ITS OIL CHANGED IN THE MORNING THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY AN ACTIVITY OR AN OPERATION. SO HERE'S MY CONCERN ABOUT THAT. I DON'T SPECIFICALLY MENTION ANY NAMES BUT THERE IS AUTO REPAIR SHOPS NOT COLLISIONS. I'M TALKING ABOUT OIL CHANGES AND REPAIRS THAT HAPPEN, THAT HAVE LOANER CARS THAT ARE PARKED ALL THE WAY THROUGH DIFFERENT PARKING'S, DIFFERENT THINGS WITHIN THEIR PARKING LOTS OR OTHERS, AND THEY HAVE TO STAY OVERNIGHT.

PLUS THE CARS ARE BEING DROPPED OFF AT 5:00. HOW DO WE KNOW IF THE CAR IS BEING DROPPED OFF AT FIVE TODAY, OR IS BEING DROPPED FIVE DAYS FROM TODAY, AND WE HAVE 30 CARS WHEN WE HAVE TEN PARKING SPOTS?

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LOOK, I DO NOT WANT TO TURN THIS INTO A CAR GARAGE REPAIR TYPE OF CENTER.

AND OBVIOUSLY I DON'T I THINK THESE GENTLEMEN ARE LOOKING AT HIGH CARB, HIGH END CARS THAT ARE KIND OF REPAIRING THEM.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT I DO NOT WANT TO IMPACT US.

SO LET ME ASK THE APPLICANT IF HE WANTS TO STEP FORWARD AND POTENTIALLY ADDRESS THAT IN ANY WAY.

WITH REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST LOCATION, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A FRANCHISE OR, OR HOW YOU'RE APPROACHING IT, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE HEARD THE CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS.

OTHER LOCATIONS IN TOWN END UP WITH A DOZEN, TWO DOZEN CARS REGULARLY PARKED OUTSIDE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A MAJOR AUTO REPAIR SHOP. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT CAUSES SOME HEARTBURN.

SO HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT WITH THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION? I AGREE, ACTUALLY, I DO LIVE IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD.

KINGSBRIDGE. RIGHT, RIGHT BEHIND THIS LOT. SO I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MR. DINO THAT IT'S. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO OUR BEST NOT TO, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKE IT A JUNKYARD.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A HIGH END MOTIVE AUTOMOTIVE SHOP.

IT'S GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MOST LIKELY REPLICA THE THE MODEL OF CHRISTIAN BROTHERS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A JUNKYARD SHOP.

IT'S GOING TO BE HIGH END SHOP. WE WILL IF THERE'S ANY OVERNIGHT PARKING A VEHICLE THAT WE HAVE, WE CAN PARK IT INSIDE THE GARAGE OR WE CAN MAKE A SPECIAL PARKING RIGHT BEHIND THE SHOP WHERE WE CAN PARK IT OVERNIGHT SO THAT IT'S NOT VISIBLE TO THE FRONT OF THE STREET.

WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY IN ANY WAY WE CAN.

WE DON'T WANT TO. WE WANT TO BE A VERY REPUTABLE AUTOMOTIVE SHOP RATHER THAN JUST A JUST A SMALL LITTLE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SMALL SHOP. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY, SO WE'VE HEARD WE'VE HEARD SOME DIFFERENT COMMENTS THERE.

OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL, WE CAN PUT DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS ON I'M ASSUMING WE COULD EVEN SAY OVERNIGHT PARKING WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AGAIN IF WE WANTED TO, TO LEAVE THE ABILITY FOR AN AFTER DROP OFF, BUT MAKE SURE THAT IT'S RESTRICTED TO ONLY A HANDFUL OF VEHICLES.

THAT WOULD BE, SO TO SPEAK, OUT OF SIGHT IN THE BACK, WHICH EIGHT FOOT FENCE WOULD BLOCK, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S TWO PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ACTUALLY SHOWN ALREADY IN THE REAR, YOU KNOW, CAN LIMIT IT TO THOSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT A SITE PLAN, SO I DON'T WANT TO TOO FAR DOWN THAT. BUT WOULD THAT SATISFY YOUR CONCERNS, MAYOR PRO TEM, IF IT WAS LIMITED TO PARKING OVERNIGHT PARKING BEHIND.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY, SO FOR THE RECORD, HIS RESPONSE WAS YES, THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE CONCERN BECAUSE YES WASN'T ON THERE.

OKAY. SO I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE ELSE LOOKING TO WEIGH IN AT THIS TIME.

I'LL GIVE MY FEEDBACK WITH, WITH THE COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM ON THE BUILDING, JUST PROBABLY NEEDING TO GO IN LOOKING AT THE PICTURES.

IF YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING TO DO A VERY NICE HIGH END, YOU KNOW, NOW SERVICING THE TYPES OF VEHICLES THAT YOU HAVE LISTED IN THE METAL BUILDING IS THERE. IT'S IN PRETTY ROUGH SHAPE, IN MY OPINION, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE DAYLIGHT THROUGH SOME OF THE HOLES IN THE ROOF, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND FRANKLY, I THINK IT HELPS IF ANY OF THAT IS JUST FOR CLOSER TO OR AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORS THERE.

OBVIOUSLY IF YOU GUYS ARE APPROVED AND BUILD AND MOVE FORWARD, WISH ALL OF OUR BUSINESSES SUCCESS.

SOMETIMES THINGS CHANGE HANDS. AND WE ALSO HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT BECAUSE ONCE WE APPROVE SOMETHING, IT DOES TRANSITION TO DOWN THE ROAD POTENTIALLY AS WELL.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION. AND I LIKE THE MAYOR PRO TEM IDEA ON, ON LIMITING OVERNIGHT TO BEHIND.

SO COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, THANK YOU. MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FOR THOSE LISTENING JUST HOW IMPORTANT IT IS WHEN THE MAILERS GO OUT, AT LEAST FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THAT PEOPLE EXPRESS THEIR OPINION THAT LIVE AROUND THAT AREA, BECAUSE THAT REALLY MATTERS. SO MORE THAN ANYTHING, REALIZING THAT IT IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OPINIONS OF THOSE THAT SURROUND IT KIND OF LIMIT THE OPTIONS FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.

THAT'S IT. MORE THAN ANYTHING, JUST TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE SO WE KNOW WHAT THEY WANT AND WHAT THEIR OPINIONS ARE.

FAIR ENOUGH. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK WE'VE HAD I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE LOOKING TO COMMENT.

WE HAVE HELD OUR PUBLIC HEARING AND SO I WOULD BE OPEN TO A MOTION ON THE ITEM.

AND IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES REQUESTED, I WOULD ASK THAT THOSE BE STATED IN THE MOTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU MAYOR. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM WITH CHANGES THAT THE CURRENT STRUCTURE EITHER BE

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OKAY. SO CAN I ASK FOR A CLARIFICATION ON THAT, SIR? JUST YOU SAID TO LIMIT THE OVERNIGHT PARKING, BUT YOU DIDN'T STATE HOW WAS IT TO THE TO THE REAR, TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY? JUST, JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A HAVE THAT CLEARLY STATED FOR THE WRITING OF THE ORDINANCE.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AS STATED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. COUNCIL, WE HAVE A MOTION AS STATED TO APPROVE WITH THE CHANGES LISTED.

AND A SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES SIX ONE COUNCILMAN PICKENS AGAINST.

[2. Hold a Public Hearing, to consider, and act upon, the writing of an ordinance for a change of zoning from Neighborhood Services (NS) to Neighborhood Services - Special Use Permit (NS-SUP), to allow for convenience store and motor vehicle fueling station use on 3.53 acres generally located on the northeast corner of Country Club and Park Blvd. (ZC 2026-06).]

ITEM NUMBER TWO. IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE WRITING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND S TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, SPECIAL USE PERMIT NSS UP TO ALLOW FOR CONVENIENCE STORE AND MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION USE ON 3.53 ACRES. GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF COUNTRY CLUB AND PARK BOULEVARD.

ZONING CASE 2026-06. MR. HASKINS, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON ABOUT THREE AND A HALF ACRES.

IT'LL ALLOW FOR A 500 ZERO SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE WITH A FUELING STATION.

THAT'S SHOWN ON THE FAR RIGHT. THAT'D BE ON THE CORNER OF COUNTRY CLUB AND PARK BOULEVARD.

BUILDING NUMBER ONE ON THE ZONING EXHIBIT. THE ZONING EXHIBIT DOES YOU KNOW, SHOW THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THAT PARTICULAR REQUEST.

THE REST OF THE ZONING EXHIBIT, BUILDING TWO AND BUILDING THREE IS JUST TO SHOW LIKE, THE POTENTIAL FUTURE POTENTIAL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD GO ON THIS PROPERTY. THE SUP ITSELF IS ONLY FOR BUILDING ONE AND DOES ACTUALLY RESTRICT THE SUP TO ONLY BUILDING ONE.

THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ALLOW FOR A FUELING STATION CONVENIENCE STORE, AND THERE IS ALSO A 300 FOOT THE A WAIVER TO THE 300 FOOT DISTANCE FROM A PUBLIC SCHOOL BECAUSE OF THE SELLING OF BEER, WINE AND SMOKING PRODUCTS.

FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH IT'S 299.71FT. SO, YOU KNOW, THE VARIANCE IS ONLY ABOUT 3 TO 4IN.

SO IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS.

BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, WE DO HAVE TO ADD THAT TO THE SUP.

AND IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANT IS LIMITING THE SMOKING PRODUCTS TO JUST CIGARS AND CIGARETTES.

THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN DOES CALL FOR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES IN THIS AREA.

SO ANYTHING THAT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES WOULD BE ALLOWED IN BUILDINGS TWO AND THREE.

IF THIS SUP IS APPROVED WE DID RECEIVE NINE LETTERS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS.

HOWEVER, FIVE OF THOSE WERE OUTSIDE THE 200FT THAT WERE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.

AND IF THIS IS APPROVED THERE STILL WILL BE JUST LIKE THE LAST ZONING CASE, A SITE PLAN WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED ALONG WITH A PLAT.

THE ZONING, THE PNC COMMISSION DID VOTE FOUR ZERO TO RECOMMEND DENIAL.

SO TO OVERTURN THAT, IT WOULD TAKE A SUPERMAJORITY OF COUNCIL IN ORDER TO APPROVE THIS ZONING CASE.

AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO RUN THROUGH REAL QUICK WITH YOU BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I BELIEVE WE'VE CONSIDERED SOMETHING SIMILAR IN THE PAST.

YES. SO THERE'S NO GAS, THERE'S NO DRIVE THROUGH.

THERE'S NO DRIVE TIME. YES, SIR. AND THIS TIME IT IS NOT ALLOWING CBD.

WELL, WHAT IS IT, CBD IS THAT RIGHT? ANY. WE'LL CALL IT THAT BRANCH OF OF PRODUCTS.

YES, SIR. AND IT'S NOT ALLOWING VAPING. CORRECT.

THAT IS CORRECT. OR E-CIGARETTES. THOSE ARE ALL BANNED BY THE OR NOT ALLOWED PER THE CONDITIONS OF THE SUP.

OKAY. AND I THINK FOR ME THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

I DON'T HEAR AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT KIDS DON'T EVER DRINK UNDERAGE.

HOPEFULLY NO ONE AT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS GOING IN AND GETTING SERVED ANYTHING OVER THERE.

HOPEFULLY THEY'RE NOT GOING THERE AND TRYING TO GET THAT AND WOULDN'T BE SERVED.

BUT FROM A CONTRABAND STANDPOINT, WHAT WE HEAR REGULARLY FROM PD WHEN THEY REPORT ON INCIDENTS AT THE SCHOOL FAR AND AWAY, THE E-CIGARETTE VAPES, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM, ARE THE BIGGEST ISSUE.

SO TO THE APPLICANT. OFF THE BAT, I WANT TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE YOU NOT DOING THAT, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE A MAJOR BLIGHT ON OUR YOUTH WITHIN THE CITY.

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AND SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT. I ALSO APPRECIATE THE SENSITIVITY FROM THE FEEDBACK COUNCIL HAD GIVEN ABOUT A DRIVE THROUGH BEING THERE NEXT TO THE DAYCARE THAT'S NEXT DOOR. OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T WANT LITTLE ONES TO GET OUT OF DAYCARES, AND I'M SURE THAT THEY DO AN EXCELLENT JOB IN KEEPING CHILDREN CONTAINED, BUT MAKING SURE THAT THERE ISN'T A DRIVE THROUGH RIGHT UP AGAINST IT, EVEN FROM THE STANDPOINT OF EXHAUSTING ANY SORT OF A QUEUE OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I DO APPRECIATE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE THERE RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

I UNDERSTAND OBVIOUSLY THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE SUP OVER THREE INCHES.

I THINK THERE HAD BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DEEDING SMALL AMOUNT TO THE CITY AND THEN IT'S NOT REQUIRED.

BUT FRANKLY, FROM OUR I THINK FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, THAT MAKES IT EXTREMELY INCREASES OUR LIABILITY BECAUSE WE ARE NOW LIABLE FOR A THIN STRIP OF GRASS BETWEEN TWO LOCATIONS AND MAKING SURE WE CHECK IT OUT AND MAINTAIN IT WITHOUT TRESPASSING ON OUR NEIGHBORS, WHICH 6IN OR 4IN IS NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SPACE TO DO THAT.

SO I DO, I GUESS I AM SAYING I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO THIS IS NOT THIS ISN'T NEXT DOOR TO A SCHOOL FROM THE STANDPOINT OF IT'S TEN FEET AWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS OFF THE BAT. JUST AN APPRECIATION THAT SOME OF THOSE THINGS FROM THE LAST TIME WE SAW THIS WERE IMMEDIATELY RULED OUT.

FROM THERE. IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IN CASE THERE, I'LL, I'LL OPEN IT TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR QUESTIONS IN A MINUTE.

BUT IN CASE THERE'S SOMEONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

SO, MISS STORM, PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT.

I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM. IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS PRESENT WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM WOULD ASK THAT YOU STEP FORWARD AT THIS TIME.

ALL RIGHT, MISS STORM, PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT. NO ONE HAS STEPPED FORWARD TO SPEAK. SO WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT. AND SO FROM THERE I'LL ASK, DID PNC GIVE ANY WAS THERE ANY SPECIFIC DISCUSSION ON ON THEIR THOUGHTS ON THIS OR NOT? BECAUSE I DIDN'T CATCH A LOT IN LISTENING. NO SIR.

THERE WASN'T A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON IT. UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS PRETTY MUCH WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE AND I'M NOT SURE THEY TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THE, ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT THE APPLICANT HAD PROPOSED, BUT I, I CAN'T SPEAK MORE THEN BECAUSE OTHERWISE I PUT WORDS IN THEIR MOUTH AND I APOLOGIZE. I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU IN AN AWKWARD SPOT. I WAS JUST.

NO, I UNDERSTAND. I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY MAJOR CONVERSATION, SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK.

THERE WASN'T A LOT. AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND.

WE'VE SEEN MULTIPLE MULTIPLE GAS STATIONS. THEY'VE ALL TENDED TO HAVE A LITANY OF LISTS OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

IT IS GOING TO BE A SIX BY FOUR INTERSECTION.

YOU KNOW, COUNTRY CLUB IS SIX LANES. PARK WILL MOVE TO FOUR LANES.

MCMILLAN HAS TWO LANES OPEN AND WE'LL HAVE FOUR TOTAL.

AND SO IT IS A VERY BUSY INTERSECTION FOR THE SCHOOL OR FOR THE CITY.

I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THERE'S GAS STATIONS FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD.

THOSE ARE NOT WIDELY THOSE, THE REVENUE FROM THOSE GOES TO SAINT PAUL AND LUCAS.

SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WOULD CATCH THE TRAFFIC GOING NORTH OUT OF TOWN IN THE MORNING, POTENTIALLY STOPPING AS WELL AS THE NEW EAST WEST ROUTE.

AS THE COUNTY CONNECTION OPENS THE PARK LOOP BOULEVARD BOULEVARD, EXTENSION, PARK BOULEVARD COMPLETION AND MCMILLAN.

SO I DO RECOGNIZE IT'S GOING TO BE A BUSY INTERSECTION.

SO, MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION.

SO IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT WE'RE APPROVING BUILDING TWO AND THREE.

IS THAT CORRECT? NO, SIR. NO. THAT'S JUST TO SHOW THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU KNOW THAT.

CAN I ASK THE APPLICANTS THE THOUGHTS ON BUILDING TWO AND THREE AND POTENTIAL BRINGING SOME NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES IN TERMS OF LIKE RESTAURANTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WILL SUPPORT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SURROUNDING AREAS? CAN HE GIVE US THESE THOUGHTS PROCESS ON THAT? AND IF YOU WILL, IF YOU'LL START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU CAN GIVE THE BUSINESS ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

YEP. MO KELLIS 3815 BLOSSOM DRIVE. SEXY. WE PLAN ON BUILDING TWO RETAILS HOSTING LOCAL RESTAURANTS, LOCAL BUSINESSES. INSURANCE OFFICE SPACES MOSTLY RETAIL USE.

DO YOU HAVE ANYONE THAT YOU HAVE TALKED TO OR YOU HAVE ANYONE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH FOR THE FIRST AND FOREMOST FOR THE GAS STATION,

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I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO TELL US THE NAME OF THE RESTAURANTS, BUT HAVE YOU BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH SOMETHING THAT WILL BRING YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS ABILITY TO GO TO RESTAURANTS AND NOT GO TO 544, NOT GO TO 78, BUT HAVE THOSE ABILITIES TO GET THE SERVICES FROM THERE.

FOR GAS STATION, WE HAVE SHELL AND CIRCLE K FOR CERTAIN THAT WE HAVE TALKED WITH AND AGREE ON MOST OF THE TERMS FOR THE RESTAURANTS.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEDICATED, BUT WE TALK WITH THE LOCAL RESTAURANT USERS LOCAL BRANDS THAT WERE MADE WIDELY FIRST RESTAURANTS THAT WERE INTERESTED. ALSO DIFFERENT BRANDS LIKE DUNKIN DONUTS THAT WE TALKED WITH.

IT'S NOT CERTAIN YET, BUT WE ARE IN TALKS. OKAY.

AND THEN IN TERMS OF TIMELINE, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD, ARE YOU BUILDING KIND OF SIMULTANEOUSLY? WILL IT TAKE FIVE YEARS FROM IT FOR THE OTHER PIECE? SO WE, WE PLAN ON BUILDING THEM IN ABOUT SAME YEAR, MAYBE EVEN GET AN EXACT TIMELINE TO DEVELOP THE WHOLE PROPERTY IN ONE GO.

OKAY. AND THEN IF I'M CORRECT, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN IN COUNCIL SINCE 2021, BUT I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A MINUTE NOW.

YOU ALL HAVE OWNED THE LAND FOR THE DAYCARE IS AS WELL BEFOREHAND.

YEAH. AND THIS CONCEPT PLAN HAS BEEN PROPOSED OR HAS BEEN SOME SORT OF RADIATION PRIOR TO SELLING TO THAT DAYCARE NEXT TO YOU GUYS. IS THAT CORRECT? THEY HAVE KNOWN BEFOREHAND THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE MODEL THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? YES. IS THAT. YES, SIR. CORRECT. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE AND YOU'VE NOT SUBMITTED THOSE CONCEPT PLANS BEFORE YOU SOLD THAT PIECE OF LAND? NO, NO. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU THIS EVENING. COUNCILMAN STRANG. EXCUSE ME.

I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE LOOKING TO SPEAK.

SO WITH THAT, I WOULD BE OPEN TO A MOTION. AND YOU HAVE ASKED.

SO COUNCILMAN STRANG MOTION ON THE ITEM. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS PRESENTED.

OKAY. WE DO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE COUNCILMAN.

DUKE, I SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND TO APPROVE.

COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

SO THE ITEM IS APPROVED AND DOES PASS THE REQUIRED THRESHOLD.

[3. Hold a Public Hearing, to consider, and act upon, the writing of an Ordinance amending Zoning Ordinance (2023-23), Article 5, Sections 5.1 Land Use Charts, 5.2 Listed Uses, and Article 7 General Development Regulations, as they relate to existing and new listed uses (ZC 2026-04).]

ZONING CASE 2026-04. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO MOST OF YOU HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S, THAT'S WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST FROM CITY STAFF.

WE HAD A PNC WORK SESSION IN MARCH OF 2026 AND WITH CITY COUNCIL IN APRIL OF 2026.

THE AMENDMENTS ARE SUMMARIZED IN THE REPORT. I'LL GO OVER BRIEFLY WITH THOSE.

AND THEN THE FULL TEXT OBVIOUSLY IS ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT B, BUT GENERALLY WE'RE MOVING ALL DRIVE THRUS WILL REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMITS GOING FORWARD.

ADDING THE USES FOR EVENT CENTERS AND DRONE STATIONS, DRONE DELIVERY STATIONS.

ONE THING THAT'S NEW IS YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF HEARD YOU WHEN, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SAINT JOHN PROPERTY.

I'LL GUESS I'LL CALL THEM OUT A LITTLE BIT, BUT SO WE ADDED DATA CENTERS AS AN A USE AND THEN PUT SOME RULES AND REGULATIONS IN FOR THOSE.

SO WE GOT, WE AT LEAST WE HAVE A BASELINE TO TALK ABOUT.

GENERALLY SPEAKING WITH THE DATA CENTERS ANYTHING UP TO 25,000FT² WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT WITHIN LIGHT AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

ANYTHING OVER 25,000FT² WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

IF IT IS UNDER 25, 000, EVEN IF IT'S UNDER 25,000FT², ONE OF OUR REQUIREMENTS IS THEY HAVE TO USE EXISTING UTILITIES.

SO YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF GOES INTO THAT, THAT GLORIFIED SERVER ROOM AS OPPOSED TO AN ACTUAL DATA CENTER SIMILAR TO THE RESTRICTIONS WE PLACED THROUGH A ROUNDABOUT WAY. BUT NOW THAT WOULD BE CODIFIED ON ALL PROPERTIES. YES, SIR.

YEAH, EXACTLY. AND IF THEY GO OVER 2500 ZERO SQUARE FEET, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO DO A DATA STUDY, A UTILITY STUDY TO SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, ELECTRICAL AND WATER USAGE WOULD BE WITHIN THE CAPACITIES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

MINING IS REMOVED AS A USE. WE REVISED THE HOME OCCUPATION TO, TO HOME OCCUPATION USE IN ORDER TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW.

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THE PNC COMMISSION DID TALK ABOUT THE DATA CENTERS.

BECAUSE THAT WAS NEW, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE HAD ADDED. SO WE HAD A LITTLE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. THEY WERE GENERALLY IN FAVOR. WELL, NOT GENERALLY THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF ALL OF THAT. AND THE COMMISSION DID VOTE 4 TO 0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. WELL, FIRST I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH COUNCIL.

WE HAD MULTIPLE MEMBERS UP HERE WHO HAD DIFFERENT IDEAS, AS WELL AS STAFF'S IDEAS BASED ON THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN COME THROUGH OBVIOUSLY SOME, SOME CHANGES THAT KEEP UP WITH THE TIMES, WHETHER THAT'S STATE LAW CHANGES OR THAT IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE WITH DATA CENTERS AND OTHER THINGS. SO I APPRECIATE US KIND OF STEPPING FORWARD ON THAT TO WORK THROUGH BRINGING UPDATES.

THANK YOU SIR. IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY HAD A WORK SESSION BEFORE, SO I'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO MISS STORM, PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT.

I'M OPENING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM. IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS PRESENT AND WISHES TO ADDRESS COUNCIL REGARDING THIS ITEM, ASK THAT YOU STEP FORWARD AT THIS TIME. OKAY, MISS STORM, PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT NO ONE HAS CHOSEN TO STEP FORWARD AT THIS TIME. SO WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COUNCIL, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? AS I MENTIONED, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A WORK SESSION.

MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU, MAYOR, I, I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU PUT IN ON, ON THIS.

JUST CATCHING UP WITH DIFFERENT STATE LAWS AND WHATNOT.

THANK YOU. I WAS AGAINST IT WHEN HE FIRST CAME IN.

AND I WILL BE AGAINST IT TONIGHT. I DON'T THINK 2500 ZERO SQUARE FEET.

I DON'T EVEN WANT TO HAVE ANYONE HAVE EVEN A THOUGHT OR A GLIMPSE THAT, AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT, THAT I WANT TO APPROVE ANY SORT OF DATA CENTER. SO FOR ME, IT WOULD BE ALL DATA CENTERS SHOULD BE ZERO SQUARE FOOTAGE.

THEY HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF US AND SHOW US WHY, WHO, WHERE, WHY.

I DON'T WANT TO BUY. RIGHT? GIVE THEM 25,000FT².

OKAY. THAT'S JUST MY FEELING. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH IT. SO I WOULD REMOVE THE STIPULATION OF 2500 ZERO 25,000FT².

OKAY, SO THAT WOULD JUST CHANGE IT TO JUST A FULL SUP ON.

THERE WOULD NOT BE ANYTHING ALLOWED BY. RIGHT? OKAY.

I'LL HEAR FROM OTHERS. COUNCILMAN. DUKE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO ECHO THE MAYOR PRO TEM COMMENTS ABOUT THE DATA CENTER.

I FEEL THE SAME WAY. OKAY, I KNOW THAT WAS PART OF THE NEGOTIATING PROCESS WITH THE OTHER PROPERTY.

SO, COUNCILMAN STRANG I SHARE THEIR SENTIMENTS AS WELL.

THE ONLY THING IS, I'M NOT SURE I WANT TO BE BOTHERED WITH EVERY SERVER CLOSET. SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN. I'D LIKE TO SEE A MINIMUM.

I DON'T WANT TO BE BOTHERED WITH 500FT² OR MAYBE 1000 SOMETHING SMALL.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER WOULD BE, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE BIG. SO WE'VE GOT SEVERAL.

I THINK THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DATA CENTER AND JUST A FEW SERVER RACKS.

WHAT TO DO? AND I'LL ASK BECAUSE I'VE GOT COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS AND MAYOR PRO TEM.

I'LL GO COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS FIRST AND WE'LL HOLD THE THOUGHT HERE.

THANK YOU MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.

I MEAN, PRETTY MUCH EVERY BUSINESS RIGHT NOW IS A DATA CENTER ACCORDING TO HOW WE'RE HOW WE'RE SETTING THOSE SPECIFICATIONS HERE.

USE THE EXISTING ELECTRICITY, YOU KNOW THE FOOTAGE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE THAT. IT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. ASIDE FROM SOMETHING AT THE BEGINNING IF IT REQUIRES THEM TO HAVE MORE UTILITIES OR, OR SOMETHING. SO I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO STAMP SOMETHING, IT'S WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE FOOTAGE.

IT WOULD HAVE TO TRANSLATE TO WHAT THOSE UTILITIES ACTUALLY ARE.

AND SO IF I CAN GO AHEAD. SO WHEN OUR STAFF DID OUR RESEARCH, WE FOUND THAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THING IS THE BEST ROUTE TO GO WITH ADDING THE STIPULATION THAT YOU HAVE TO USE EXISTING NORMAL UTILITIES.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU HAVE AN EIGHT INCH WATER MAIN THAT COMES INTO THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE CERTAIN SIZED WATER LINES, WE HAVE A A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY ON THE GRID.

IF YOU'RE NOT REQUIRING A SUBSTATION, IF YOU'RE NOT REQUIRING, YOU KNOW AN EXTRA WATER MAIN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WOULD UPSIZE, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING UPSIZE, THE EXISTING UTILITIES.

AND THEN ALSO STARTING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT GO UP TO COUNCILMAN STRINGS POINT.

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AND THAT'S MY POINT. MY POINT IS IN SUPPORT OF WHAT YOU HAVE FOR THAT REASON.

OKAY. JUST BECAUSE BY RIGHT, IF THEY CAN USE THE EXISTING ELECTRICITY, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WHETHER IT IS A MANUFACTURING FACILITY, LIKE WHATEVER THEIR BUSINESS IS, IF IT, IF IT FALLS INTO THAT INDUSTRIAL AREA AND IT CAN USE THE ELECTRICITY THAT'S AVAILABLE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD NECESSARILY NEED TO TRY TO MONITOR IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO.

OKAY. SORRY, I MISUNDERSTOOD. YEAH. THAT'S. WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH THAT? OKAY. SO MAYOR PRO TEM SERVER ROOM IS FOR A PARTICULAR BUSINESS THAT IS WITHIN THE STRUCTURE OF THAT PROPERTY VERSUS A DATA CENTER IS IN BUSINESS ON OF ITS OWN THE SERVER ROOM.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SET A SQUARE FOOTAGE BECAUSE YOU'RE BEING YOU.

WE HAVE A 2300 ZERO SQUARE FOOT SERVER ROOM UPSTAIRS ON THE THIRD FLOOR HERE.

WHAT WE'RE RESTRICTING IS THE DATA CENTER BUSINESS BY ITSELF.

AND THAT'S MY ONLY THING THAT I'M SAYING. I'M NOT SAYING RESTRICT THE BUSINESS THAT WANTS TO COME IN AND VIOLATE THEM, WANTS TO HAVE A 500000 ZERO SQUARE FOOT PROPERTY, BUT HAS A 5 TO 10,000 SQUARE FOOT SERVER ROOM THAT IS FOR WITHIN THE BUSINESS NEEDS, NOT OUTSIDE OF THE BUSINESS NEEDS, WHICH IS WHAT IS A DATA CENTER.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T IF IT'S A BUSINESS FOR A DATA CENTER BY ITSELF, PUTTING RACKS AND SERVERS THAT ARE NOT BEING USED FOR THAT PARTICULAR BUSINESS WITHIN THE REALMS OF THAT BUILDING, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE.

PERSONALLY, I, I HAVE ZERO DESIRE TO APPROVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITHOUT AN SUV.

OKAY. I HAVE COUNCILMAN PICKENS AS WELL. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. WHAT CRITERIA WAS USED TO ESTABLISH 2500 ZERO FEET IS THE MINIMUM MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE.

WE'RE GOING TO. THE CRITERIA FOR THAT WOULD BE THE ENTIRE INTERIOR.

NO I THINK HE WAS SAYING WHERE DID YOU GUYS COME UP WITH THE.

WHERE DID WE COME UP. WHERE DID YOU. WHY DID YOU PICK 25,000? IT WAS KIND OF AN AVERAGE OF. WE YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT CITIES THAT HAVE THEM OR, AND CITIES THAT HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR THEM.

WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT GENERALLY ACCEPTED ONLINE DEFINITIONS, I GUESS FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD AND TRY TO APPLY IT TO WILEY.

SO IT'S, I'LL BE HONEST, IT'S A LITTLE SUBJECTIVE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TRYING TO KEEP IT WHERE SOMEBODY COULD OPEN A BUSINESS SUCH AS THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME KEEP IT TO A SIZE WHERE ONCE YOU START GETTING BIGGER THAN THAT, YOU CAN START RUNNING INTO FROM OUR RESEARCH, YOU CAN START RUNNING INTO NEEDING EXTRA UTILITIES AND THAT SORT OF THING.

SO THAT WAS THE RANGE THAT WE KIND OF WENT FOR.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MY CONCERN IS THE TAX REVENUE POTENTIAL TO THE CITY.

FOR A BUSINESS THAT HAD 2500 ZERO SQUARE FEET OF DATA CENTER WOULD BE MINIMAL.

AND WITH THE CITY BUILT OUT AS IT IS I'M NOT ON BOARD WITH GIVING THAT AWAY.

OKAY. IN THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WE HAD WITH THE OTHER PROPERTY, I WAS IN FAVOR OF TEN ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FEET, BUT I LOST THAT ONE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THIS IF IT'S APPROVED BY THE REST OF COUNCIL TO LIMIT IT TO 10,000 INSTEAD OF 2500 ZERO FEET.

OKAY. THANKS. SO, COUNCILMAN STRANG, I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF IN YOUR REALM ANYWAY, SO YOU'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS FROM SOME OF THE COLLEAGUES.

GO AHEAD. YEAH. SO I LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE REALLY DEFINING? YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BIG KEY THING HERE IS BECAUSE I AGREE WITH MAYOR PRO TEM, WE WANT TO PUT SOME GUARDRAILS AROUND THIS.

AND I LIKE WHAT HE'S SAYING. THAT'S CORE TO ITS BUSINESS.

OF COURSE, AMAZON'S GOING TO COME IN AND SAY, HEY, A 500 SQUARE FOOT DATA CENTER IS CORE TO OUR BUSINESS.

SO I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DEFINING WHAT IS A DATA CENTER VERSUS JUST SOME ON SITE SERVER RACKS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO RUN YOUR GAS STATION WITH OR WHATEVER IT IS YOU NEED.

I MEAN, ALMOST EVERY BUSINESS IS GOING TO HAVE SOME SERVERS IN THERE SOMEWHERE.

AND I HAD THIS FLIPPED FOR SOME REASON IN MY HEAD, BUT I THINK 2500 ZERO SQUARE FEET OR MORE.

I THINK WHAT I REALLY WANT TO READ THAT IS NOTHING BEYOND 2500 ZERO SQUARE FEET.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN SVP THAT WANTS ANYTHING THAT'S LARGER THAN ABOUT PROBABLY 5000, 10,000

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AND I THINK WE CAN ALSO, BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING FROM EVERYBODY IN GENERAL, IF WE WILL DEFINE IT A LITTLE BETTER AND SAY SOMETHING LIKE A STANDALONE DATA CENTER.

YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD TO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU.

IT IS SUBJECTIVE AND YOU CAN TALK AND I TALK TO ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE TECH WORLD, NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THE HECK A DATA CENTER EVEN MEANS, RIGHT? BUT ACROSS THE TECH WORLD, WELL, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. FACEBOOK, IT MEANS SOMETHING EXTRAVAGANT TO A LOT OF SMALLER TECH COMPANIES.

IT'S PROBABLY A REASONABLY SIZED 5000 LARGER THAN WE WOULD WANT DATA CENTER.

SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO KIND OF COME UP WITH, WHAT SHOULD WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DEFINE THIS WITH TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROTECTING US WHILE WE'RE ALSO PROTECTING THE BUSINESS INTERESTS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST HERE. THEY JUST WANT TO RUN THEIR BUSINESS, AND THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO SET UP A DATA CENTER THAT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY IS GOING TO USE. SURE, OFF OUR WATER AND OUR POWER AND SANITY AND WHATNOT.

BUT I, I WOULD FAVOR SOMETHING WHERE THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD IS FIVE, MAYBE 10,000FT².

I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CODIFY NOT HAVING SOMETHING LIKE A HARD CAP.

IF. WELL, WHAT WE CAN DO. YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE WE'VE DONE IT.

WE DO IT IN OTHER AREAS. AND THEN WHAT I WILL ADVISE FOLKS WHEN THEY CALL US, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I USE WHAT WE WHAT WE DISCUSS IN MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, I GET PHONE CALLS EVERY DAY.

YOU KNOW, FOLKS ASKING DEVELOPERS AND STUFF, ASKING FOR DIFFERENT THINGS, YOU KNOW, EXEMPTIONS OR VARIANCES OR THAT SORT OF STUFF TO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. AND I FEEL LIKE I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD HANDLE ON, ON WHAT THIS COUNCIL GENERALLY WANTS.

AND I ADVISE THEM BASED ON THOSE THINGS. AND I WOULD BE WE COULD MAKE LOWER THAT 25 TO SOME NUMBER THAT COUNCIL CAN AGREE ON, WHETHER IT'S 5 OR 10 OR ZERO. BUT THEN WE WILL PUT IN THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THERE THAT NOTHING OVER THIS IS ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, THE MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE BLANKETY BLANK.

I CAN TELL THEM, HEY, COUNCIL IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GO FOR THAT IF THAT'S THE ROUTE WE GO.

AND THEN WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS THEY'LL HAVE TO COME TO Y'ALL TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE TO THAT.

BUT KNOWING THAT THAT'S OUR CAP THAT WE GENERALLY AGREE ON AND IT'S BUT IT ALSO HELPS STAFF WITH THE WITH OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPERS.

FOR MYSELF, I WOULD GO WITH A 5000 MINIMUM BEFORE AN SCP IS REQUIRED.

I'D PUT A HARD CAP AT 25000. NO MORE BEYOND THAT AND SEE WHAT MY COLLEAGUES ALL THINK.

BUT I THINK THAT. AND THEN PROBABLY SOMETHING TO FIND THAT.

I MEAN, THE DEFINITION IS PRETTY GOOD, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE WE CAN ALMOST WARP THAT AROUND ANYBODY'S BUSINESS.

IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY BEING USED TO. MAYOR PRO TEM POINT WELL, AND FOR SOMETHING, IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S STORED IN ONE PLACE THAT MIGHT HAVE A LOCATION.

I KNOW OF A CERTAIN COMPANY THAT THAT RUNS FIBER TO A CENTRAL DATA CENTER LOCATION FOR EVERY SINGLE LOCATION THEY BUILD. SO THEY PROBABLY HAVE ONE IN EVERY CITY, BUT ALL OF THEIR INTENSIVE SERVERS ARE LOCATED IN ONE GIANT BUILDING, 1 OR 2 GIANT BUILDINGS SO THEY COULD SAY IT'S RELATED.

THEY COULD SAY THEY HAVE A LOCATION IT'S SUPPORTING, AND NONE OF THAT WOULD NOT MEET SCRUTINY UNDER THE LAW, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE ONLY THAT. AND SO THEN YOU GET INTO I SAID, I'M JUST SAYING, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IF WE TRY TO GET TOO MUCH INTO THE DEFINING, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THE PERSON WITH A VERY EXPENSIVE LAWYER WHO CAN HELP THEM FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET AROUND.

IT'LL BE TRICKY. SO I'D RATHER WORK ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

IT'S JUST YEAH, I THINK IF WE DO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, LIMIT UTILITIES AND THEN MAYBE ADD THE STANDALONE THING, WE'VE COVERED 99% OF IT. THAT SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD.

AND YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT'S LARGE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO US ANYWAY. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. SO COUNCILMAN DUKE THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO ADD IN THERE THAT ONE OF THE USES THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS A CRYPTO MINING.

SO I COULD BUY A WAREHOUSE OR RENT A WAREHOUSE AND FILL IT FULL OF COMPUTER HARDWARE AND NETWORK HARDWARE AND, AND DO CRYPTO MINING OUT OF IT. AND NOW WE'RE REMOVING MINING ISN'T ALLOWED USE.

THAT WAS THE OLD WELL, IN MY MIND IT'S A PICKAX.

BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THEY USE. THAT WAS REFERRING TO DIGGING INTO THE EARTH FOR MINERALS CRYPTO MINING.

IT'S MINING FOR DIGITAL CURRENCIES. YEAH. DATA MINING.

YES. NO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE I'M JUST SAYING LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THE ONE THAT THAT'S IT'S ACTUALLY BEING REMOVED AS A USE WAS TRUE TRADITIONAL MINING.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY GOLD VEINS UNDER THE CITY.

SO UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE LAND WE HAVE, THAT'S THE USE THAT'S BEING PUT IN THERE IS OR BEING REMOVED ISN'T ALLOWED USE.

WELL, WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE LIST THAT IT'S BASICALLY INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO.

AND WE CAN ADD THAT AS A DEFINITION. IF THAT'S THE DESIRE.

WOULD YOU LET HIM FINISH MAYOR PRO TEM REAL QUICK. YEAH, I'LL TURN IT TO YOU. OKAY.

HE SAYS HE'S DONE THAT. THAT WAS WHAT HE WAS LOOKING TO ADD.

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DO YOU MIND IF I CONSOLIDATE REAL QUICK? MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

I WILL COME TO YOU FOR THE MOTION, THOUGH. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M ENCAPSULATING EVERYTHING FOR A POTENTIAL MOTION.

IT WAS ANYTHING OVER 500 ZERO SQUARE FEET WOULD COME TO THE COUNCIL FOR AN SUP, CORRECT? DID WE WANT TO PUT A HARD CAP OR JUST SAY ANYTHING OVER THAT HAS TO COME TO COUNCIL.

LET'S DO WE WANT TO DO THAT AND THEN PUT AN EXCLUSION FOR, I'LL CALL IT A DATA CENTER COMPANY, A FREESTANDING, YOU KNOW, ONE THAT THAT'S THEIR ENTIRE BUSINESS.

INCLUDE THAT AS JUST NOT ALLOWED IN ZONING. YEAH.

I'M LOOKING BUZZ IN GUYS. YEAH. YES YES YES. IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU WERE GETTING.

OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M PROPERLY REPRESENTING COUNCIL BEFORE IT GETS FORWARD.

OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE A 500 ZERO SQUARE FOOT CAP.

OKAY. AND ANYTHING OVER AS AN N, S, U, P AND ANY FREESTANDING STANDALONE, HOWEVER YOU GUYS NEED TO PHRASE IT.

THAT'S TRULY JUST A DATA CENTER WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED UNDER THE ZONING.

OKAY. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND ASK FOR EXCEPTIONS, ETC..

OKAY. AND THEN TO THE TO COUNCILMAN DUKES POINT, MAKING SURE THAT CRYPTO MINING OR WHATEVER DATA MINING, WHATEVER THE PROPER TERMINOLOGY WOULD BE, IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE LANGUAGE THAT'S PUT HERE.

OKAY. COUNCIL. I WOULD ASK YOU SPEAK NOW IF THERE WERE OTHER ITEMS YOU WISHED TO HAVE CONSIDERED OR BELIEVE ANYTHING IS MISREPRESENTED.

OKAY. I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE, SO. MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU WISH TO MAKE A MOTION? THANK YOU. MAYOR. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM WITH THREE CHANGES.

TO LIMIT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO 5000. ANYTHING OVER 5000 WILL REQUIRE AN SUP TO LIMIT STAND ALONE DATA CENTER BUSINESS AS ON ITSELF AND TO, TO DATA MINING TO BE ABLE TO COME THROUGH FOR AN SUP.

OKAY. SO CAN I CLARIFY JUST FOR THE RECORD THAT FOR THE DATA CENTER, IT WAS DATA CENTERS FOR THE HOLD ON ONE SECOND AND I'LL COME TO YOU.

LET ME CLARIFY. DATA CENTERS. IT WAS IT WAS OVER THE OVER 5KS FOR DATA CENTERS.

CORRECT. AND IT'S A, IT'S A, A PROHIBITION OR A BAN FOR THE STANDALONE DATA CENTERS.

CORRECT. AND THEN I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN DUKE WAS MAYBE LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE CRYPTO.

YES. OKAY. HOLD ON. LET ME ASK HIM LET ME LET HIM CLARIFY THAT POINT.

SO DATA IN CRYPTO MINING ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO I'D ASK FOR BOTH OF THOSE TO BE IN THERE. SO WOULD YOU AMEND YOUR WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO AMEND YOUR MOTION TO.

AS HE STATED, I AMEND MY MOTION AS COUNCILMAN DUKE STATED.

OKAY. MAYOR INTERRUPT FOR JUST A SECOND. YES, SIR.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT. SO STANDALONE DATA CENTERS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AT ALL? NO. AND THEN AS A BUSINESS ON ITSELF, NO. OKAY.

AND THEN SO WHAT'S THE. AND THEN THE 500 ZERO SQUARE FOOT REQUIRING SUP IS THAT SO ANYBODY WHO COMES IN THAT HAS A SERVER RACK ROOM THAT'S MORE THAN 5000. YEAH. I THINK I THINK THOSE MAY BE REDUNDANT.

SO DO WE WANT TO JUST PUT. WOULD YOU WOULD YOU WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION SO WE CAN DISCUSS A LITTLE MORE.

WITHDRAW MY MOTION. APOLOGIES SIR. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THROUGH THIS.

SO UP HERE HERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BUSINESS OWNING A DATA CENTER BY STANDALONE AND OWNING A DATA CENTER BY ITSELF AND BEING REDUNDANT.

I CAN TAKE OVER A 200 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE.

I'LL PUT IN A COUPLE OF OFFICES AND THEN 180,000 SQUARE FOOT OF THAT.

WITHIN THAT, I CAN DO DATA CENTER WITHIN THAT BUILDING THAT I'M JUST RENTING OR I'M BUILDING OR WHATEVER.

SO THE 5000FT² IS FOR THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS. SO IF THEY DO NEED THAT, THEY HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF US ANYWAY TO GET THE APPROVALS FOR OTHER THINGS.

SO THAT'S WHAT IT WILL LIMIT IT TO 5000FT² TO AND THEN FREESTANDING DATA CENTER.

BY ITSELF, IT'S LIMITED AND IT'S NOT OPTIONAL.

THAT'S THE TWO DIFFERENCES THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

SO I CAN NAME I DON'T HAVE TO NAME A DATA CENTER SPACE.

I CAN NAME GINO'S COMPANY EXPORT IMPORT, AND I CAN PUT A DATA CENTER ON THE BACK.

AM I MAKING MYSELF CLEAR? NO, NO, I'M I'M SORRY IF I'M IF I'M JUST, I THINK LET ME KNOW IF I'M GETTING THIS, BUT I'M PHRASING THIS CORRECTLY. MAYOR PRO TEM, I THINK WHAT HE'S LOOKING FOR IS THE SUP.

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IF I NEED TO BUILD A LARGER ONE THAN THAT, THEN I HAVE TO GET AN SUP IF I WANT TO COME IN AND BUILD A BUSINESS THAT'S EXCLUSIVELY DEDICATED TO PROVIDING AI, DATA MANAGEMENT, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, AND THAT'S THE ENTIRE BUSINESS, THEN THAT BUSINESS WOULD HE SAYING WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED.

SO INSTEAD OF IT BEING AN ANCILLARY USE TO A TO A BUSINESS THAT GETS BUILT, IT SAYS THAT DATA CENTERS WILL NOT SOMETHING I GUESS.

SO WHAT I NEED TO DO THEN IS FROM A ZONING ORDINANCE STANDPOINT, IT GOES FROM DATA CENTER.

THIS GOES FROM. IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THIS WOULD GO FROM AN ALLOWED USE TO AN ACCESSORY USE.

BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING TO ME IS AN ACCESSORY USE, NOT AN ACTION.

IT'S YOU'RE USING THAT DATA TO RUN YOUR BUSINESS.

THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS NOT JUST A DATA CENTER, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THIS WHAT THIS, THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN IS TO ALLOW SOMEONE.

JASON. YES, SIR. IF I'M RUNNING A MEDICAL CENTER.

YES. AND I HAVE 90 LOCATIONS AND I'M GOING TO STORE THE DATA IN WILEY WHERE I HAVE ZERO EMPLOYEES, BUT I'M GOING TO RENT A 100 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE TO RUN A BUSINESS IN WILEY.

OKAY. I'M GOING TO PUT 4 OR 5 OFFICES IN WILEY.

OKAY. AND I'M GOING TO TAKE EVERYONE'S DATA FROM ALL THE OTHER SPACES AND BRING IT TO WILEY AND STORE IT.

GOT IT FOR ME AS A MAYOR PRO TEM OR AS A COUNCIL MEMBER.

THAT DOES NOT BRING ME JOBS, THAT DOES NOT BRING ME TAXABLE VALUES, DOES NOT BRING ME ANYTHING.

NOW, 9500 ZERO SQUARE FEET OF. THAT IS NOT A DATA RACK.

THAT'S A DATA CENTER FOR A BIG, LARGE COMPANY RUNNING IT THROUGH TO ANOTHER CITY.

YES, SIR. I WANT THAT TO BE 5000 SQUARE FOOT.

IF I WANT TO OPEN A DATA CENTER BY ITSELF WITH NOTHING ELSE IN IT, THAT NEEDS TO BE ZERO SQUARE FOOTAGE COMING TO US IN FRONT OF US TO BE ABLE TO FOR US TO LOOK AT IT IF WE WANT TO APPROVE IT OR NOT.

THAT'S THE TWO DIFFERENCES THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO SIMPLIFY IT WITH ONE, THEN I'M HAPPY TO DO IT. WHATEVER MAKES IT EASIER FOR YOU AND THE STAFF.

IS IT EASIER TO JUST REQUIRE ANYTHING OVER 5000FT² COMES TO US? IS THAT JUST THE EASIER WAY TO WRITE? I CAN'T IMAGINE A BUSINESS, BUT WOULD THAT WORK? LET ME DO THIS. SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND MY COLLEAGUES HAVE VERY STRONG OPINIONS, WOULD YOU WOULD YOU WOULD IT BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNCIL TO LOOK AT THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF ANYTHING OVER 5000FT² JUST REQUIRES AN SUP.

YES, FOR THE DATA CENTER, WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN HAVE THAT THAT WILL SIMPLIFY IT TO WHERE WE DON'T GET INTO TRYING TO SPLIT HAIRS THERE.

THAT'S FAIR. AND THE YEAH. AND THEN EVERYTHING IS INCLUDED.

DOES THAT ADDRESS. I KNOW YOU WERE LOOKING BECAUSE WE WHEN WE GET SITE PLANS, WE GET FLOOR PLANS AND WE CAN TALK TO BUSINESSES AND JUST SAY, HEY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS MUCH, THEN YOU NEED TO GO WITH AN SUP AND THAT'S FINE. WE CAN DO THAT. JUST LIKE DRIVE THRUS, GAS STATIONS, AND MANY OTHER PLACES COME TO US.

OKAY. SO THEN THE MOTION OR THE SUGGESTIONS FOR POTENTIAL MOTION WERE ANYTHING OVER 500 ZERO SQUARE FEET REQUIRES AN SUP.

AND TO MAKE SURE DATA AND CRYPTO MINING ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE DESCRIPTIONS OF OF THE OF THE DATA CENTER LANGUAGE. YES, SIR. I CAN DO THAT. SO, MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS.

I KNOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION ON THIS AND HAD ONE ON THE FLOOR.

I WOULD ASK, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM WITH TWO CHANGES.

ANYTHING OVER 5000FT². DATA CENTER NEEDS AN SUP.

AND SECOND PART WOULD BE DATA AND CRYPTO MINING TO BE FOR AN SUV FOR THAT LANGUAGE, THAT LANGUAGE TO BE ADDED TO THE SUV. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AS STATED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND COUNCILMAN DO.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND AS STATED.

COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR THIS EVENING.

[4. Consider, and act upon, Ordinance No. 2026-25 of the City Of Wylie, Texas, amending Wylie’s Code Of Ordinances, Ordinance No. 2021-17, as amended, amending Ordinance No. 2025-04, as amended, Chapter 22 (Building And Building Regulations), Article XX (Sign Regulations); amending regulations governing the erection, maintenance, and operation of signs; defining terms; providing a penalty clause, Savings/Repealing Clause, Severability Clause and an effective date; and providing for the publication of the caption hereof.]

ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025-04, AS AMENDED. CHAPTER 22 BUILDING AND BUILDING REGULATIONS ARTICLE 20 SIGN REGULATIONS AMENDING REGULATIONS GOVERNING THE ERECTION, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION OF SIGNS DEFINING TERMS, PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, SAVINGS, REPEALING CLAUSE, SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING FOR THE PUBLICATION OF THE CAPTION HEREOF.

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YES. WITH ALL THE STATE LAW CHANGES AND THEN ALL THE FEDERAL LAWS ABOUT FIRST AMENDMENT, AND YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT WHAT'S ON THE SIGN AT ALL.

YOU CAN ONLY DESCRIBE THE SIGNS. I THINK OVERALL WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF GETTING THAT DOWN.

BUT THEN AFTER ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF OF WORKING WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT AND MY PLANS EXAMINER.

WE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS WE JUST WANT TO TWEAK, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS ABOUT, IS JUST TWEAKING A COUPLE OF THINGS. REAL QUICK.

WE'RE ADDING OR THEIR DESIGNEE TO THE SECTION TO THAT PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE.

IT TALKS ABOUT JUST THE BUILDING. IT SAYS JUST THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.

SO IF WE ADD ADD THEIR OR THEIR DESIGNEE TO THAT, WHEN THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS NOT HERE, WE CAN YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO STILL ACT ON THINGS.

WANT TO, WE TALKED ABOUT SIGNS THAT MOVE. WE WANT TO SPECIFICALLY ADD FLAG STYLE SIGNS THAT IS NOT FLAGS AT ALL.

THAT IS JUST YOU SEE THEM IN TOWN WHERE THEY'VE GOT THE LITTLE BANNER THING ON IT AND IT'S MORE HORIZONTAL IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

AND INFLATABLES, WE WANT TO SPECIFICALLY CALL THOSE OUT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER FOR OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT FOLKS TO GET THOSE REMOVED.

WE WANT TO, WE'RE GOING TO ADD A TEMPORARY SIGN THAT ALLOWS FOR GRAND OPENING PROMOTIONAL SIGNAGE.

WE'VE DONE THAT. AND THEN ALSO, WE WANTED TO JUST KIND OF BETTER DEFINE THE MONUMENT SIGNS THAT ARE ALLOWED FOR BUSINESSES, RIGHT? THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN, WE GOT A COUPLE OF MONUMENT SIGNS THAT MIGHT THAT ARE IT SHRINKS THE THIS ORDINANCE WOULD SHRINK THE SIZE ON SINGLE LOTS AND THEN ALSO MAKE IT WHERE THE MULTI-TENANT SIGNS.

THE LOTS WOULD HAVE TO BE BIGGER TO GET THE BIGGER SIGNS.

YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SEE THE BIG ONE OUT IN FRONT OF TARGET, THAT SORT OF THING. THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN, YOU COULD GET A SIGN THAT BIG ON A LOT THAT WAS ABOUT TEN ACRES.

AND WE REALLY DON'T WANT THAT. LUCKILY WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT HAPPEN OR ANYTHING, BUT WE KIND OF NOTICED THAT AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH.

SO AND I ASSUME IT'S THE SAME AS ALWAYS, IF THEY, IF THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR AN EXCEPTION, THEY CAN REQUEST IT. YES, SIR. AND YES THIS IS ALWAYS OPEN TO A VARIANCE IF THERE'S ALWAYS A REASON FOR IT.

SO ANYWAY THOSE ARE THE FOUR CHANGES WE'D LIKE TO MAKE.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. COUNCILMAN THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS MIGHT BE FOR MR. PARKER, BUT THIS.

WILL THIS APPLY TO ANY CITY OWNED BUILDINGS OR STRUCTURES OR LAND? YES, SIR. WE WE KEEP TO THE RULES WE MAKE. I KNOW, BUT WOULD WE HAVE TO CHANGE ANY OF OUR SIGNAGE? NO. EVERY EVERY SIGN IN TOWN, WHETHER IT'S GOVERNMENT OR PRIVATELY OWNED, IS PROTECTED.

IT'D BE GRANDFATHERED IN. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

OKAY. COUNCIL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'D BE.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING. NO, SIR.

THIS IS A CITY ORDINANCE. IF NOT, I WOULD BE OPEN TO A MOTION ON THE ITEM.

COUNCILMAN, DO. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS PRESENTED.

MOTION TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND COUNCILMAN STRING? I'LL SECOND. MOTION WITH A SECOND COUNCIL. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE THIS EVENING.

[5. Consider, and act upon, the approval of an increase to the contract contingency in the amount of $951,395.00, representing seven percent (7%) of the contract amount for Contract W2023-99-B, East FM 544 Road Reconstruction Project, to provide funding for future change orders, and authorizing the City Manager to execute any and all necessary documents.]

THIS WAS. WELL, I DON'T THINK IT DOESN'T SAY, MR. WEIR. BUT CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE APPROVAL OF AN INCREASE IN THE.

TO THE CONTRACT CONTINGENCY IN THE AMOUNT OF NINE $951,395, REPRESENTING 7% OF THE CONTRACT AMOUNT FOR CONTRACT W2023-99-BEFM544. ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECT TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR FUTURE CHANGE ORDERS ON AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. SO. MR.. WE'RE SORRY IT SAYS MR. RODRIGUEZ, AND I KNOW HE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE HERE TO SPEAK TO, BUT I HAD TO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO THIS ITEM IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR AN INCREASE OF OUR CONTRACT CONTINGENCY FOR THE FM 544 PROJECT.

ANY AMOUNT OF $951,395, WHICH APPROXIMATELY REPRESENTS 7% OVER THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT AMOUNT.

JUST A LITTLE HISTORY ON THIS. THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WAS AWARDED FOR $13.77 MILLION, WITH A PREAUTHORIZED CONTINGENCY OF A 5%, WHICH WAS $688,570, BRINGING THE TOTAL AUTHORIZED AMOUNT TO APPROXIMATELY 14.46

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WE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS SOME, A CHANGE ORDER THAT NEEDED TO TAKE EFFECT FOR ADDITIONAL TREE REMOVAL, WHICH WE PROCESSED THAT CHANGE ORDER FOR $84,000.

AND THEN SHORTLY THEREAFTER, HOW MUCH WAS THAT? THAT WAS $84,776. WHICH AT THAT POINT LEFT US WITH AND $4,570 LEFT FOR CONTINGENCY. WE THEN PROCESSED ANOTHER CHANGE ORDER FOR $1,094,315.30, AND THAT WAS FOR EAST FORK WATERLINE RELOCATION.

SO AT THAT TIME, WE CAME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL SEEKING APPROVAL BECAUSE THAT WAS OVER OUR OUR CONTINGENCY AMOUNT.

CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THAT CHANGE ORDER. AT THAT TIME, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY MONEY LEFT IN OUR CONTINGENCY.

AND AT THAT TIME WE, WE SHOULD HAVE REQUESTED SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO BE PUT INTO CONTINGENCY BECAUSE WE WERE STILL EARLY ON IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.

AND WITH THE CONSTRUCTION, THERE TENDS TO BE THINGS THAT ARISE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED. SO AS WE STARTED GOING FURTHER INTO THIS PROJECT SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP.

THERE ARE SOME THERE ARE SOME BUSINESSES ON ON THAT STRETCH OF 540.

FOR US, THAT DID NOT INCLUDE MEDIAN OPENINGS FOR THEIR BUSINESS.

WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT, TRY TO ADDRESS THAT. THE ONLY OPTION RIGHT NOW IS FOR THEM TO GO DOWN TO THE ROUNDABOUT TO COME BACK AND GET INTO THEIR BUSINESS.

WE NOTICED THAT THAT MAY BE A, SOME PEOPLE MAY START LOSING BUSINESS BECAUSE OF THAT.

SO THIS INCREASE. WOULD TAKE INTO THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

THERE WAS SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WE'VE ENCOUNTERED OUT THERE ON THE PROJECT.

THIS SPRING HAS BEEN VERY WET. YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY KNOWS 544 HOW IT USED TO BE, IT USED TO BE A, A TWO LANE ROAD WITH JUST BAR DITCHES. EVERYBODY'S, EVERYBODY'S RUN OFF, RAN INTO THE BAR DITCH AND WENT DOWN, THEN WENT DOWN ITS WAY. ONCE WE FILLED THAT BAR DITCH UP, WE'VE NOW ENCOUNTERED THAT SOME DRAINAGE ON.

PROPERTIES ARE NOW STARTING TO HOLD WATER ON THE ON THEIR PROPERTY.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ALSO NEEDING TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.

SO IN TOTAL, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME GRADING, THERE IS SOME GRADING, SOME DRAINAGE AND SOME MEDIAN IMPROVEMENTS.

THERE'S ALSO A FLUME THAT HAS TO BE ADDED DOWN THERE AT THE, AT VINCENT ROAD.

BECAUSE WATER RIGHT NOW JUST, JUST PUDDLES UP AND IT WILL START TOPPLING OVER.

VINCENT ROAD SO THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS WELL.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE IDENTIFIED $851,000 IN POTENTIAL CHANGE ORDERS.

THIS WOULD LEAVE US WITH A $100,000 LEFT AFTER AFTER THOSE CHANGE ORDERS, JUST IN CASE ANYTHING COMES UP.

WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT IT WILL KNOCK ON WOOD, BUT, JUST TO GET US THROUGH THE PROJECT, WE'RE ALMOST THERE.

THROUGH THIS PROJECT ANYWAYS. BUT I'M NOT OVER CONTRACT.

WE ARE NOT OVER BUDGET. YEAH, THIS THIS PROJECT IS NOT OVER BUDGET.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ADD MORE FUNDS TO OUR CURRENT POA THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CONTRACT.

OKAY. WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL BUDGET AMOUNT? BALLPARK I'M NOT ASKING FOR TO THE DOLLAR JUST SO I HAVE AN IDEA OF BECAUSE WHEN I PUT THOSE TOGETHER, I MEAN, YEAH, 14.7 MILLION FOR THE WATER LINE.

YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHERE ARE WE AT TOTAL IF WE APPROVE THIS AND WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ALLOCATION.

SO WE WOULD BE 156. IS WHAT WE WOULD BE AT NOW IS WHAT IF THIS WAS APPROVED.

WE WERE AT 14, 14, SEVEN. AND WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL? YOU SAID IT WOULDN'T GO OUTSIDE OF THE ORIGINAL BUDGET. WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL BUDGET? IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS.

YES IT HAS. SO WE STILL HAVE APPROXIMATELY $1.4 MILLION LEFT FOR BUDGET.

AND THEN ON THESE CHANGE ORDERS, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I WANT TO ASK.

I KNOW THAT WE WENT THROUGH AND HAD TO PURCHASE SOME VERY EXPENSIVE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THAT ROADWAY FROM EVERYONE THAT WAS ON IT.

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AFTER ALL THE BUSINESSES WERE IN EXISTENCE, THE RV PARK WAS IN EXISTENCE BEFORE.

YEAH. AND SO THEY DID NOT. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE PAYING TO PUT TO CHANGE.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE RV PARK. THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING THE TURN LANE AND CUTTING THE MEDIAN.

NO, NO. SO OUR LIST IS THAT'S FOR PERFORMANCE TRAILERS.

OKAY. BECAUSE MY CONCERN WITH THAT WAS HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE TO THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC CIRCLE, HAVING PEOPLE TURN THEIR AROUND WHEN THEY'RE EXITING A TRAFFIC CIRCLE.

YEAH. SEEMED LIKE A CONCERN IF SOMEONE PULLING RV TRAILERS WAS TURNING IN FRONT OF SOMEONE THAT THINKS THEY HAVE RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN SOMEONE IS OR ISN'T EXITING A TRAFFIC CIRCLE. YEAH, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

OKAY. THAT WAS MY CONCERN WAS SAFETY ON THAT ONE.

AND THEN I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S DRAINAGE ISSUES.

YES, THE BAR DITCH IS GONE. MY QUESTION IS, WAS THIS MISSED? WAS THIS AN ENGINEERING MISS FROM THE DESIGN? I'M NOT REFERRING TO OUR DEPARTMENT. I'M REFERRING TO THE DESIGN ENGINEER.

OR IS THIS A FACT OF THE. THEY HAVE RELIED ON USING ON THEIR WATER DRAINING ONTO OUR EASEMENT TO EXIT THEIR PROPERTY.

AND NOW THERE'S. NOW WE'RE FIXING IT FOR THEM BECAUSE IF WE ENGINEERED IT, THE WATER FROM THE ROAD SHOULDN'T BE LEAVING THE ROAD.

IT SHOULD BE GOING INTO OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS ON THIS ROAD. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE MISSED.

WE'RE CLEANING UP A PROBLEM THAT WE'VE BEEN CLEANING UP AND ENGINEERING FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.

THESE ARE ALL JUST COMING TO A HEAD. WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE THIS PROJECT OUT.

THE WATER LINE WAS REIMBURSED. AS TOMMY SAID, WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH CONTINGENCY TO BEGIN WITH.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT HAPPENED. TOMMY WASN'T THERE, I WASN'T THERE, AND WE GOT REIMBURSED FROM EAST FORK, BUT THAT MONEY WASN'T ASKED TO BE PUT BACK INTO THE PROJECT.

THERE'S JUST THERE'S. WELL, THAT THAT HELPS. IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN MACMILLAN ROAD.

WE'RE CLEANING UP OTHER PEOPLE'S MESSES, AND IT'S JUST.

IT'S JUST UGLY. THERE'S NO OTHER WAY AROUND IT.

AND YOU KNOW, FROM FROM I MEAN, TOMMY CAN TELL YOU WE'VE MET WITH RESIDENTS, WE'VE MET WITH BUSINESS OWNERS OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT A FAN OF ENGINEERS BECAUSE WHAT WORKS ON THAT COMPUTER SCREEN DOESN'T WORK IN REAL LIFE. AND THE ENGINEERS THAT WE'VE USED IN THE PAST FOR WHATEVER REASON DON'T WANT TO GO OUT AND WALK THE PROJECT AND DON'T WANT TO SEE HOW THEIR DESIGNS IMPACT.

WE'VE MADE A LOT OF THOSE CHANGES. TOMMY'S DONE A GREAT JOB.

HE'S HIRED TWO GREAT PROJECT MANAGERS THAT ARE ADDRESSING ALL THOSE ISSUES.

SO WE'RE JUST CLEANING IT UP AND TRYING TO GET THIS PROJECT CLOSED.

WE'RE UNDER BUDGET. WE'RE NOT OVER BUDGET. WE'RE STILL WITHIN OUR BUDGET.

WE JUST HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU ALL FOR US TO INCREASE THE POA AMOUNT SO WE CAN FINISH UP THIS PROJECT.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE TAXPAYERS TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS OF WHERE THAT MONEY IS GOING, BECAUSE WHILE THEY VISIT OUR CITY, MANY OF THOSE AREAS ARE OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS, AND WE SHOULDN'T CREATE A PROBLEM FOR THEM, WHICH IT THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IF IT WAS MISSED FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.

DESIGN ENGINEER. ET CETERA. PAST PROBLEMS, OR IF IT WAS SOMETHING WHERE IT WAS AN ISSUE BECAUSE I TRAVEL ALL OVER.

THERE'S A ROAD OVER IN ROWLETT, DOW ROCK ROAD, WHICH HAS A BUNCH OF HOUSES ON IT, AND THEY HAVE BAR DITCHES, BUT THEY HAVE ALLOWED THEIR FRONT TO CONCAVE, AND THEY ALL HAVE DUCK PONDS IN THE FRONT WHEN IT RAINS OVER THERE, AND I'M JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT FIXING SOMEBODY ELSE'S MISTAKE FROM WHEN THEY DIDN'T GRADE THEIR PROPERTY 50 YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER IT IS.

AND YOU'VE CONFIRMED THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT IS.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND IT DOES HELP TO KNOW THAT WE WERE REIMBURSED AS WELL, AND THAT THAT DID NOT GET PUT BACK INTO THE BUDGET, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE ASSUMED.

BUT THAT'S WHY WE ASKED THE QUESTIONS AND WE GET THAT INFO.

SO I APPRECIATE THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THAT WAS THAT WAS WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.

COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU MAYOR. I'VE GOT SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS.

JUST TO RECAP FOR THOSE LISTENING AND FOR MY MEMORY.

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IS THAT IT, OR DO WE HAVE A SINGLE GC THAT WE'VE, THAT OUR PURCHASE ORDER IS ASSIGNED TO? NO. SO I PURCHASE THOSE ASSIGNED TO THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.

SO THEY, THEY, THEY'RE DOING THE PROJECT. OUR.

OUR STAFF IS INSPECTING THE PROJECT AS WE GO ALONG TO MAKE SURE IT'S BUILT ACCORDING TO THE DESIGN PLAN THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.

AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS THIS PROJECT AS STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME ISSUES WITH THE DESIGN THAT NEEDED TO BE CORRECTED. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW IS JUST TRYING TO CORRECT THOSE, THOSE, THOSE THINGS THAT WERE, THAT WERE MISSED DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS. AND BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE, TOWARD THE END OF THE PROJECT, RIGHT. SO HAS THE, THE GC BROUGHT HIS OWN ENGINEER IN TO FIELD VERIFY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED AT THE VERY BEGINNING. I'M ASSUMING I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE PLANS NOW.

NORMALLY THEY THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, TO BE FIELD VERIFIED AND THE ADJUSTMENTS MADE SO THAT WE DON'T GET TOWARD THE END AND HAVE THE PROBLEM IN NOT TRYING TO BEAT YOU UP IN THAT. I KNOW WITH WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH WITH ENGINEERING HERE LATELY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS AS MR. PARKER MENTIONED, US JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH FIXING AND GETTING THE ROADS OPERABLE FOR THOSE THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE CITIZENS. BUT I'M I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IS THERE SOMEONE THAT WE NEED TO HOLD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL 1.5 MILLION BECAUSE WHILE WE HAD 5% AVAILABLE AS AN OVERAGE, YOU KNOW, OR NOW WE'RE AT SEVEN, SO WE'RE AT 12. AM I RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THE SO WE ALL SAID AND DONE BECAUSE WE ALSO DURING THIS PROJECT, WE'VE ALSO REDUCED SOME OF THE COST. WE PROCESSED ANOTHER CHANGE ORDER THAT ACTUALLY REDUCED SOME OF THE QUANTITIES THAT WERE IN THE, IN THE BID ITEM. SO THAT HAD REDUCED OUR OVERALL COST OF THE PROJECT.

SO WE ARE JUST OVER 14% IN CONTINGENCY IF THIS WAS APPROVED.

AND THAT IN THAT 14% IS THAT 100,000 THAT INCLUDES THE MILLION DOLLARS THAT WAS REIMBURSED.

YES. AND THE 1.4 THAT WAS REIMBURSED I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU PROBABLY DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WENT OR DID IT JUST GO TO GENERAL FUNDS? THERE WASN'T A MILLION FOR IT WASN'T A MILLION FOR IT WAS IT WAS 700, 784,000.

OKAY. SO THEY DIDN'T REIMBURSE ALL THAT COST REIMBURSED.

THEY DID. SO. IT WAS A SPLIT. IT WAS A SPLIT COST BETWEEN THE CITY AND AND EAST FORK.

SO THEY THEY PAID FOR 61%. WE PAID FOR THE CITY, PAID FOR 39% OF THAT RELOCATION.

RIGHT. SO THAT MONEY JUST WENT BACK IN THE FUND BALANCE.

AND THIS MIGHT NOT BE FOR YOU. THIS MIGHT BE FOR MR. PARKER. ALL OF THE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED FOR THIS PROJECT ARE THERE.

ARE THEY ALL ATTRIBUTED TO THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR? ARE THERE OTHER VENDORS THAT IT'S ATTRIBUTED TO? SO IT'S ATTRIBUTED TO MULTIPLE. SO IT'S THE DESIGN FIRM COMES OUT OF THAT PROJECT.

WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE GEOTECH. SO GEOTECH IS PULLED OUT OF THAT AS WELL.

SO IT'S TYPICALLY THOSE THOSE THREE IN THIS PROJECT.

IT IS THOSE THREE. IT'S THE CONSTRUCTION, IT'S GEOTECH AND IT'S DESIGN.

ARE WE STILL USING THE SAME ORIGINAL ENGINEER DESIGN FIRM? YES. CAN I ASK WHY? SO WE'VE OUR PROJECT. SO WE HAVE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE, OF OUR PROJECT, RIGHT. WE, WE HAVE A DESIGN FIRM THAT WE SEND OUT A, A PSPO FOR WE SCORE THEM AND WE SELECT THE MOST WHAT WE FEEL IS THE MOST QUALIFIED DESIGN FIRM FOR THAT PROJECT.

BUT THEY STAY ON BOARD THROUGH THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.

SO IF THERE'S ANY FIELD CHANGES THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN.

SO OUR CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE ENGINEERS THAT COME OUT AND DO FIELD VERIFY ANYTHING.

THEY THROW IT RIGHT BACK. THEY RELY ON THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR TO HAVE HIS OWN ENGINEERS TO FEEL. THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR THROWS IT RIGHT BACK TO THE CITY ON US.

OKAY. AND THEY THE WHO WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH, THEY GO BACK OUT.

THEY'RE THE ONES THAT FAIL TO VERIFY IT. THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, THEY'LL SUBMIT A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION.

OUR ENGINEER WILL GO LOOK AT IT, CLARIFY ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED.

IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE REDESIGNED THAT THE OUR ENGINEER WILL GO REDESIGN THAT PORTION, SUBMIT IT BACK TO THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY TO BE BUILT.

AND SOME AND SOME OF THAT IS WHAT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH.

IF WE'RE AT THE END AND WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE THAT WE DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR, WE'VE GOT TO DO ADDITIONAL,

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AND APPROVE A CHANGE ORDER THAT THE CITIZENS JUST SUCK IT UP AND PAY FOR IT.

IT NEEDS TO GET DONE NO MATTER WHAT. BUT THE QUESTION IS, IF WE'RE IN IT AND IT'S SOMEONE'S FAULT THAT WE'RE STILL PAYING AND WE'RE STILL UNDER CONTRACT WITH, THERE'S A REASON WHY WE HAVE A CONTRACT. IT'S BECAUSE FOR THEM TO PERFORM.

SO. AND AT THE END OF AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE, THE DESIGN FIRM, THEY THEY SUBMIT TO THE CITY, THE 30% PLAN, 60% PLANS, 90% PLANS AND 100% PLANS.

THE CITY ULTIMATELY SIGNS OFF ON THOSE PLANS.

SO THE CITY SIGNED OFF SAYING THAT THAT SET OF PLANS WAS GOOD TO BE BUILT.

OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

I'VE GOT I'VE GOT MY TWO ANSWERS FOR NOW. I'LL COME BACK IF.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DON'T MEAN TO. NO, NO, NO.

FIRE AT YOU. NO. THAT'S OKAY. YOU DO GOOD UNDER RAPID FIRE.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOUR EMPLOYEE OF THE YEAR. OKAY.

COUNCILMAN PICKENS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THANK YOU, TOMMY, FOR TAKING THE LEAD ON PRESENTING THIS. APPRECIATE IT.

THE THING THAT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME, AND I WASN'T HERE WHEN THIS STARTED, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN NUMBERS ON THIS PROJECT, BUT HELP ME UNDERSTAND IS THE MONEY THAT'S ASKED FOR TODAY, THE 951,000 SOME CHANGE.

DOES THAT ONCE ALLOCATED, DO WE STAY UNDER BUDGET? YES. SO WHEN ALL IS SAID AT THE COMPLETION, THE ESTIMATE IS IS THAT WE WILL BE UNDER BUDGET WITH THIS EXTRA MONEY THAT'S BEING APPLIED.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND THAT'S THE 14.7 MILLION.

IT WOULD RAISE IT TO. 15. EIGHT. OKAY. I GUESS THIS IS WHERE MY CONFUSION IS. WAS THE 15.8 THE ORIGINAL BUDGET. THE ORIGINAL BUDGET WAS 16.

1616 CHANGE. OKAY. SO THE 100,000 THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WOULD BE IN RESERVE WOULD BE THE, THE DELTA BETWEEN THE ESTIMATE AT COMPLETE TO WHAT WAS LEFT IN THE BUDGET.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU MAYOR. SO I CAN SENSE A LITTLE BIT OF ANIMOSITY AND SOME GOING BACK AND FORTH AT IT.

AND OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE THE STEWARDS OF CITIZENS MONEY THAT WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THAT AT ALL COSTS, AND WE'RE PROTECTING OUR EMPLOYEES TO ALL, ALL TYPES OF DEGREES IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF US SITTING HERE SAYING THAT, HEY, THE MONEY IS BEING MISUSED OR MIS DONE.

I THINK WHERE THE CONFUSION AND THE FRUSTRATION LEVEL RISES IS THAT WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT WE BUDGETED 15, 16 MILLION. WE SPENT, I DON'T KNOW, WE AWARDED A CONTRACT AT 1307 WITH A 5% CONTINGENCY.

SO NORMALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING A PROJECT THAT THAT BIG, YOU'RE THINKING 5% CONTINGENCY IS A PRETTY BIG CONTINGENCY THAT YOU CAN KIND OF PUT IT TOGETHER. WE UNDERSTAND THE NUANCES OF CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY CAN'T CHANGE.

WHAT I DON'T, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS ON MR. PARKER OR YOU OR ANYONE. WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND, AND WHAT I'M HEARING FOR THE FIRST TIME TONIGHT IS OUR DESIGN FIRMS. AND I THINK I'VE ASKED THEM WHEN WE AWARD CONTRACTS, WHAT IS THE.

WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CONTRACTS, WHAT'S.

I GUESS FRUSTRATING PART ABOUT IT IS WHEN WE DO A DESIGN, I THOUGHT THE DESIGN IS DONE 100% BEFORE WE AWARD A CONTRACT, BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR IS TAKING THAT DESIGN AND PUTTING THEIR MONEY TO BASED ON WHAT IS BEING SCOPE OF WORK THAT'S BEING REQUIRED.

NOW, WITH THAT SCOPE OF WORK, IT SHOULD BE WHERE MEDIANS ARE BEING TURNED, WHERE MEDIANS ARE NOT BEING TURNED.

HOW DOES THAT IMPACTING THE GENERAL CONTRACT OR AS OF ITSELF, WHERE IS IT NOT IMPACTING? IT'S LIKE ME BUILDING A RESTAURANT. I MAY HAVE TO OPEN A DOOR OR TWO BECAUSE I NEED EMERGENCY EXITS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT'S A PRETTY BIG NUMBER TO BE JUMPING FROM. 13.7 AWARDED CONTRACT WITH 5% TO NOW GOING TO 158, GIVE OR TAKE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE FRUSTRATION LEVEL RELIES.

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I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE CITIZENS NEED TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS. I'VE SAID THIS AGAIN AND I'M SAYING THIS AGAIN.

WE HAVE TO START, AND I THINK WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB AS NEW PROJECTS ARE COMING UP ON BEING ABLE TO BE ON THE NUMBER, AND I THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR DOING THAT.

BUT WITH THESE TWO BIG PROJECTS, THE DESIGN FIRMS HAVE TO TAKE SOME SORT OF RESPONSIBILITY APPROVING ANOTHER CONTRACT WITH A DESIGN FIRM MOVING FORWARD.

THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE ME SOMETHING WHERE IF I'M USING ALL THIS TYPE OF MONEY, THEY HAVE TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF IT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BE MAKING MONEY. AND THEN I'M SITTING HERE AND STRUGGLING TO APPROVE A BUDGET THAT I HAVE TO CUT FROM PUBLIC SAFETY.

I HAVE TO CUT FROM THIS. I HAVE TO CUT FROM THAT IN ORDER FOR ME TO FIGURE OUT A BUDGET, A BALANCED BUDGET.

AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $1 MILLION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 1.1% TAX A YEAR.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE FRUSTRATION LEVEL THAT IT IS.

I THINK THIS PROJECT IS AT COMPLETION NOW. IT'S TOO FAR DOWN THE LINE THAT I DON'T THINK WE CAN CHANGE IT.

BUT THIS IS A LESSON MOVING FORWARD FOR I THINK ALL OF US INVOLVED IN THIS, FOR US TO APPROVE SOMETHING AND FOR SOMETHING TO BE PRESENTED TO US THAT, HEY, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING DOWN FOR, IF WE END UP BEING THIS AND I NEED A MEDIUM, I SHOULD KNOW THAT I NEED A MEDIUM BEFOREHAND AND WHAT THAT CONTINGENCY LOOKS LIKE.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I'M GOING TO PROVE A 10% CONTINGENCY, BUT I WANT A REAL NUMBER.

AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. MAYOR. AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'M READY FOR A MOTION.

SO I'LL ASK IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

SEEING NONE, MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU INDICATED YOU WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A MOTION.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS PRESENTED.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION IS STATED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN DUKE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I SECOND.

MOTION WITH A SECOND TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS PRESENTED.

COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES SIX ONE WITH COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS AGAINST.

WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER SIX THIS EVENING.

[6. Consider, and act upon, nominations for a primary and an alternate member to serve on the North Central Texas Council of Governments (NCTCOG) Regional Transportation Council (RTC) of the Dallas/Fort Worth area for the cities of Allen, Rowlett, Sachse, Wylie, Murphy, Lucas, Parker, and Lavon.]

NTCOG REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL RTC THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA FOR THE CITIES OF ALLEN, ROWLETT, SAXY, WYLIE, MURPHY, LUCAS, PARKER AND LAVON.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN PREPARED BY MISS STORM, BUT AND WE WENT THROUGH THIS LAST TIME I DID RECEIVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WHICH PROMPTED ME TO PUT THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE I FELT THE COUNCIL SHOULD BE AWARE OF THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

I WAS MADE AWARE. WE ORIGINALLY HAD DECIDED WE WERE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MYSELF AS IS PRIMARY, REMAINING PRIMARY, AND WITH MR. SCHAFFER FROM ALLEN REMAINING AS THE ALTERNATE.

HOWEVER, ALLEN SENT A LETTER TO ALL THE CITIES WHICH SOMEHOW MISS STORM AND MYSELF WERE THE ONLY TWO REPRESENTATIVES LEFT OFF THAT EMAIL AND LETTER, NAMING MICHAEL SCHAFFER AS THE PRIMARY AND SUGGESTING ME AS ALTERNATE.

OBVIOUSLY, IF ALLEN IS MORE INTERESTED IN THAT, WE HAVE SINCE HEARD THAT MR. JEFF BICKERSTAFF, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SACHSE, WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SERVING AS ALTERNATE.

SO MY PROPOSAL TO THE COUNCIL IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO PUT FORWARD MYSELF AS PRIMARY AND PUT MAYOR BICKERSTAFF FROM SACHSE AS THE ALTERNATE. SO THAT IS MY SUGGESTION AND WHY THIS IS COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL.

BASED ON ALL OF THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WAS RECEIVED SHORTLY AFTER OUR LAST MEETING.

COUNCIL, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? NOT SEEING ANY.

SO I WOULD BE OPEN TO A MOTION. IT WILL NEED TO BE AS STATED IN THE IN THE RECORD THERE.

AND AS I STATED, THE ALTERNATE IS. MAYOR JEFF BICKERSTAFF MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU MAYOR.

I MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE MATTHEW PORTER AS PRIMARY AND JEFF BICKERSTAFF AS AN ALTERNATE MEMBER TO SERVE IN NORTH TEXAS.

NO. NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS AND CTCOG REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL.

RTC OF DALLAS. FORT WORTH AREA FOR THE CITIES OF ALLEN.

ROWLETT. SACHSE. WYLIE. MURPHY. LUCAS. BARKER.

LAVON. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AS STATED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS? I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND.

AS STATED. COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

I'LL TAKE CREDIT FOR THE SHORTEST ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.

I GOT A FEW SMILES THERE, SO THAT DOES COMPLETE OUR REGULAR AGENDA NOW, AND WE WILL NOW MOVE FORWARD INTO OUR WORK SESSION PORTION OF

[WS1. Joint Work Session with the Citizens Bond Advisory Committee to discuss the Committee's recommendations.]

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I'M GOING TO GIVE US A VERY QUICK BREAK BEFORE WE COME BACK AND START OUR WORK SESSIONS THIS EVENING.

WORKS FOR ME. WITH THAT, I'LL GAVEL US BACK INTO SESSION THIS EVENING.

I KNOW WE ARE ON OUR WORK SESSION PORTION AND WE ARE ON WORK SESSION NUMBER NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS A JOINT WORK SESSION WITH THE CITIZENS BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO COUNCIL, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD APPOINTEES TWO APIECE, AS WELL AS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE EDC AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM PLANNING AND ZONING WHO SERVED ON THIS COMMISSION.

YEAH. SO FOR THOSE WHO WERE SERVING AND ARE HERE THIS EVENING, FIRST, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME THAT YOU SPENT GOING THROUGH THIS.

WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. I KNOW TIME WAS SPENT NOT JUST AT THOSE MEETINGS, BUT I'M SURE OUTSIDE OF THAT REVIEWING THE INFORMATION THAT WAS BEING PROVIDED.

AND THEN FOR THOSE WHO ATTENDED THIS EVENING, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG MEETING UP UNTIL NOW.

BUT IF IT'S ANY CONSOLATION, WE'LL BE HERE MUCH LONGER THAN THAT.

SO I KNOW THAT THE APPOINTED CHAIR, MR. MITCH HERTZOG, IS HERE THIS EVENING.

COUNCIL. WE CAN WE WILL HOLD ANOTHER SESSION WHERE WE CAN GO THROUGH AND DISCUSS WHAT COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK IS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S CERTAIN INFORMATION WE HAVE FROM EXECUTIVE THAT THE BOND COMMITTEE MAY NOT BE PRIVY TO.

AND WE CAN DISCUSS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. I WOULD ASK THIS EVENING THAT WE ALLOW THE COMMITTEE TO PRESENT WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND, LIMIT QUESTIONS TO WHY THEY MADE THE DECISION THAT THEY WERE MAKING.

AND, AND AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO GET INTO DRAFTING THE BOND THIS EVENING.

TONIGHT'S ABOUT LISTENING AND RECEIVING. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND OF COURSE, INVITE THEM TO COME BACK TO PARTICIPATE OR LISTEN IN THE FUTURE.

SO WITH THAT, IF YOU'LL TURN THAT ON FOR US, SIR, I'LL LET YOU KIND OF WALK US THROUGH WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE WERE. YEAH. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MITCH HERZOG, AND I'M ONE OF 16 WILEY RESIDENTS THAT WAS ASKED TO SERVE ON THE WILEY CITIZENS BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE. CHRIS SMITH HELPED ME. CO-CHAIR.

CHRIS, IF YOU RAISE YOUR HAND, ANY OTHER MEMBERS HERE, IF YOU'D PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

AND WE APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU GAVE TO THE CITY THAT YOU LIVE AND LOVE.

WE HAD A GOOD CROSS-SECTION OF OUR COMMUNITY AND WE HAD THREE LENGTHY MEETINGS.

OUR TASK WAS TO CONSIDER AND RECOMMEND WHAT WE FEEL IS NEEDED AND WHAT IS NOT NEEDED IN THE NEXT BOND.

IN 2028, APPROXIMATELY 100 MILLION BONDS WILL BE PAID OFF.

THERE ARE CURRENT NEEDS IN WILEY THAT NEED ADDRESSING.

WE FEEL WHAT I'M BRINGING YOU TONIGHT IS 110 MILLION.

THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION. YOU WILL MAKE WHATEVER CHANGES YOU FEEL NECESSARY.

AND ULTIMATELY, THE VOTERS OF WILEY WILL DECIDE IN THE FALL.

ELECTION ITEMS WE DID NOT RECOMMEND TO THE BOND ARE AS FOLLOWS.

GENERAL STREET AND ALLEY SIDEWALKS ALONG ATLANTIS AND WEST GATEWAY, AS WELL AS SOLAR STREETLIGHTS.

WHILE THESE ARE NEEDED, THE COMMITTEE FELT THIS NEEDS TO COME OUT OF GENERAL MAINTENANCE.

WE ALSO DID NOT RECOMMEND 15 MILLION IMPROVEMENTS FOR EAST FORK AND AVALON PARK AT LAKE LAVON.

WILEY HAS A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY ON BOTH THESE.

THIS COULD BE A HOME RUN IF THEY WERE DONE THE RIGHT WAY. AT THIS TIME, WE SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION TO DO ANYTHING.

IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT A LONG TERM LEASE WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS AS POSSIBLE AT A LOW COST, ASSUMING THERE'S NO LIABILITY. WE DO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY ENTER INTO THAT LEASE DOWN THE ROAD.

FUTURE COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER IMPROVEMENTS. THIS BOND COMMITTEE DID VOTE 16 TO 0 TO DENY THIS.

ITEMS WE RECOMMENDED ARE AS FOLLOWS. REHAB. THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING FOR PARKS DEPARTMENT.

REHAB. THE ANIMAL SHELTER FOR CITY FACILITIES AND CONCRETE.

THE ROCK PARKING LOT, SOUTH BALLARD AND SAXY ROAD.

THIS IS A MAJOR ROAD THAT THE CITIZENS OF WYLIE USE TO GET TO GEORGE BUSH TOLLWAY.

THIS NEEDS WIDENING AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BRIDGE SO IT DOESN'T CLOSE WHEN WE HAVE HEAVY RAIN DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT.

THE COMMITTEE FEELS THIS IS NEEDED, AND WHILE WE KNOW THIS IS JUST A START AND FURTHER MONEY WILL BE NEEDED DOWN THE LINE, THE DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS ARE FOR THIS FIRE AND POLICE.

THIS TOOK UP MOST OF OUR TIME. THERE ARE MANY VARIABLES ON THIS.

ONE BONUS IS IF WE CONSOLIDATE FIRE ADMIN 911 COMMUNICATIONS TRAINING AND FLEET LOGISTICS THAT IT WILL OPEN UP SPACE FOR POLICE AT OLD CITY HALL.

THE COMMITTEE DID LIKE THE STATION NUMBER TWO SITE, IF POSSIBLE, TO PUT ALL THIS ON.

ULTIMATELY, WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL THIS GOES TO THE DESIGN STAGE.

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WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND RECOMMEND 39.5 MILLION.

BUT AS SAID, THERE ARE VARIABLES. AND WHEN THE FINAL DESIGN COMES IN, WE CERTAINLY HOPE THIS NUMBER COMES IN SOUTH OF THAT.

NEW PUBLIC WORKS AND NEW ANIMAL SHELTER. WE DID A REQUEST BY ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT IF A TWO STORY CAN GET BUILT, DO THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY CITY WILL USE BEST USE ON THAT.

FOUNDERS AND COMMUNITY PARK. NEW LIGHTING. WE FELT TURF WILL HELP WITH RAIN AND LOW MAINTENANCE, AND IT WAS BROUGHT TO US THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING IS VERY BADLY NEEDED.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN HELP ANSWER? OKAY.

SO COUNCIL, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BOND COMMITTEE PROCESS? I KNOW SEVERAL OF US ATTENDED AND LISTENED IN, AND OBVIOUSLY MR. HERZOG, CHAIRMAN HERZOG PROVIDED US SOME BACKGROUND THERE.

COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS QUESTIONS. JUST A QUICK ONE.

MR. HERZOG, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR LEADING THE THE WHOLE COMMITTEE HERE.

YES. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. WAS THE COMMITTEE MADE AWARE OF THE EXISTING FUNDS THAT ARE ALLOCATED FOR THE SOUTH BALLARD SAXY ROAD YOU KNOW, REPAIRS? YES. WHEN THEY MADE THIS COMMITMENT.

YES. JUST WANTED TO CHECK THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY.

I'M HEARING A LIGHT. MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU MAYOR.

I WANTED TO THANK CHAIRMAN HERZOG AND EVERYBODY ELSE IN ATTENDANCE FROM THE COMMITTEE AND THE WHOLE COMMITTEE THAT'S NOT HERE TONIGHT FOR THEIR TIME, THEIR EFFORTS, AND BEING A PART OF WHAT MAKES THIS CITY GREAT.

JUST KIND OF GIVING THEIR OPINION, LISTENING TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE MAKING DECISIONS ON AND KIND OF PUTTING IT OUT THERE FOR THE CITIZENS TO VOTE ON.

SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO THANK YOU. I ATTENDED THE LAST MEETING, AND I GUESS I CAME IN ON THE MEETING THAT WAS THE MOST DISCUSSED ABOUT.

BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE THOUGHT PROCESSES AND THE, THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT ALL OF YOU ALL PUT IN.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH US, SIR? NO. ALL RIGHT. SO I KNOW THIS EVENING IT'S A JOINT SESSION, SO I WANTED TO OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL FOR QUESTIONS.

I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE. WOULD YOU REMIND ME AT WHICH.

AT WHAT TIME? WHAT ARE THE TIMELINES ON THIS.

IF IF IF THE WRONG RIGHT PERSON ISN'T HERE, I APOLOGIZE.

NO. SO NEXT MEETING, WE WILL NEED DIRECTIONS SO THAT WE CAN GET WITH THE BOND COUNCIL SO THAT THEY CAN DRAFT THE PROPOSITION LANGUAGE.

WE NEED TO KNOW HOW Y'ALL WANT TO BREAK THOSE PROPOSITIONS DOWN FOR A BALLOT.

AND THEN BASED ON THAT DIRECTION, WE'LL GET WITH OUR BOND COUNSEL, THEY'LL DRAFT THAT LANGUAGE, AND WE WILL PRESENT THAT AT THE SECOND MEETING IN JULY.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO CALL THE OR THE ELECTION.

THE FIRST MEETING OF AUGUST, IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR PRO TEM, I DO HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR MITCH. CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS FROM THE BOND COMMITTEE IN TERMS OF OBVIOUSLY, THROUGH ALL THE BOND COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE CITIZENS OF WILEY, AND THESE ARE PIVOTAL THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING TO BE VOTED AT THE BOND. WALK ME THROUGH YOUR PROCESS OR THE COMMITTEE'S THOUGHT PROCESS ABOUT NEEDS OF THESE PROJECTS, ABILITY TO HOW WILL THEY IMPROVE THE LIFE FOR THE CITIZENS IN THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THERE AND WHY? THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE BASED ON ON THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO WE TOOK A LOT OF DIRECTION FROM CITY.

CITY DID A GOOD JOB. HAVING EVERYONE REPRESENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT EVERYTHING THAT WAS RECOMMENDED OR NOT RECOMMENDED WAS AT LEAST 80%.

SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CLOSE VOTES. I MEAN, THERE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THREE MEETINGS A COUPLE HOURS EACH.

WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. AS YOU GUYS, WE WERE GIVEN WHAT WE WERE GIVEN, SIMPLE AS THAT.

AND WE TOOK THAT INFORMATION AND WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD CONSENSUS.

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AND WE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN OUR MEETING. ALL WE'RE DOING IS RECOMMENDING TO YOU, YOU GUYS ARE MAKING THE DECISION.

WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING, BUT I THINK YOU'D BE BETTER TO HAVE 16 DIFFERENT MINDSETS FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF TOWN.

ABSOLUTELY. IN DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS OF TOWN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR CITIZENS AND WE WE DID WE HAD A GOOD CROSS SECTION.

IT WAS A GOOD, GOOD, GOOD COMMITTEE, A LOT OF DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU. THAT COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU MAYOR.

I WAS JUST GOING TO CHECK WITH THE COMMITTEE. WHERE DID THE $110 MILLION LINE COME FROM? IT'S WHAT THE MATH ADDED UP TO THAT. THAT EXPLAINS IT.

THANK YOU. OKAY. AND I KNOW I SAT AND LISTENED TO SOME OF THE FEEDBACK AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT TONIGHT. ABOUT THE GENERAL INTEREST IN EAST FORK AND AVALON.

OBVIOUSLY ON CERTAIN ITEMS, WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION TO CONSIDER ON SOME OF THOSE.

DID YOU GET THE FEELING BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PUT, I KNOW YOU CAN'T PUT WORDS IN EVERYONE'S MOUTH, BUT OBVIOUSLY AS THE CHAIR, DID YOU GET THE FEELING THAT IF THERE WAS MORE INFORMATION AND MORE OF A PLAN, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN MORE OF A WILLINGNESS TO CONSIDER THAT.

ON WHICH ITEM ON THE EAST FORK IN AVALON ON THE LAKE PARKS.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. THERE WAS 3 OR 4 PEOPLE DEFINITELY THAT THERE WAS, I WOULDN'T SAY CONFUSION.

WE JUST WEREN'T GIVEN ANY INFORMATION. I MEAN, LITERALLY ZERO ON THAT.

WE WERE GIVEN INFORMATION ON EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THERE WAS VERY LIMITED INFORMATION ON THAT.

SO WE JUST WEREN'T IN A POSITION TO DO ANYTHING ON THAT.

OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION BASED ON LISTENING TO YOU PROVIDE THE THE FEEDBACK.

I JUST KIND OF HAD PICKED UP THAT IT SEEMED YOU KIND OF SAID DIDN'T FEEL THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE.

SO OKAY, I'LL I'LL HAND IT OVER TO COUNCILMAN PICKENS.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY.

IN, IN YOUR PRISON CENTER. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT.

IF LOOKING AT THIS LIST DID ANY OF THESE JUMP OUT TO YOU AND THE COMMITTEE AS A PRIORITY? WAS THERE A IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THIS, COULD YOU RANK THEM? AND HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT? YEAH, THAT'S THAT QUESTION WAS ACTUALLY ASKED TO THE CITY MANAGER.

IT'S A IT'S A TOUGH ANSWER. I THINK DOWNTOWN EVERYONE FELT VERY POSITIVE ABOUT MONEY GOING TO DOWNTOWN.

SOUTH BALLARD SAXY ROAD MADE A GOOD CONSENSUS ON THAT AS WELL.

IT SEEMED LIKE A, DEFINITELY A NEED. AND INSTEAD OF A WANT AND THEN ON SOME OF THE NOT RECOMMENDED, YOU KNOW, WE WANT SIDEWALKS, YOU GUYS WANT SIDEWALKS.

THAT WAS A NO, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S GENERAL MAINTENANCE.

THAT'S WHAT WE FELT. IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT NEEDED.

EVERYONE FELT LIKE THAT'S NEEDED. NOT EVERYONE FELT LIKE THE SOLAR LIGHTS WERE NEEDED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT DEFINITELY THE SIDEWALKS. BUT WE JUST FELT LIKE THAT WAS GENERAL MAINTENANCE.

THANK YOU. OKAY. NOT SEEING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

I KNOW YOU GUYS WAITED FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK THE MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE.

AND AS YOU HEARD THE NEXT MEETING THE COUNCIL WILL BE LOOKING TO AND I AND THIS IS ALSO A DIRECTIVE FROM ME TO MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE NEXT MEETING. PLEASE COME PREPARED. YOU GUYS HAVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH.

PLEASE COME PREPARED WITH WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO FROM A DOLLAR STANDPOINT, AS FAR AS IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND ADDING THAT THEY DIDN'T.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THEY PUT IN THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE OR NOT RECOMMEND ON, ON YOUR INDIVIDUAL LEVEL.

I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU THINK ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO POTENTIALLY GROUP PROJECTS.

I DON'T WANT TO PUSH A LOT OUT, BUT OBVIOUSLY HAVING 7 OR 8, MAYBE MORE THAN WE WANT FOR TOTAL NUMBER OF BALLOT INITIATIVES. BUT YOU ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHICH ONES YOU WOULD WANT TOGETHER.

LANGUAGE WOULD BE WOULD NEED TO BE SPECIFIC AS WE WANT FOR CALLING OUT WHAT IT GOES TOWARDS.

BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AS A COUNCIL.

SO I LIKE A WELL, LIKE A TEACHER. I'LL SAY THAT'S HOMEWORK FOR MYSELF AND EVERYONE ELSE TO COME BACK WITH THAT READY TO GO WITH THE NEXT MEETING SO THAT WE CAN REFER OUR RECOMMENDATIONS OVER AND IT CAN BE TAKEN TO BOND COUNCIL AND BROUGHT BACK.

AND WHERE I WAS GOING WITH Y'ALL IS WOULD WELCOME YOU ALL TO COME BACK TO THAT NEXT MEETING SO THAT IF YOU'RE HEARING THINGS OR HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK OR WANT

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THANK YOU. OR ANY OF YOUR COLLEAGUES WHO MAY NOT HAVE MADE IT TONIGHT. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THAT GROUP FOR SERVING.

DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, BEFORE I MOVE OUT OF THE WORK SESSION? MR. HERZOG, IT WASN'T. IT WASN'T FOR YOU. OKAY, PERFECT. I'M GONNA SEE IF WE COULD DIRECT STAFF TO JUST SEND US THE DETAILED BREAKDOWN ON THESE ITEMS AS FAR AS DESCRIPTION PLANS. OH, IT TURNED OFF. OH, OKAY.

I'LL REPEAT THAT JUST TO SEE IF WE CAN GET STAFF TO SEND OUT TO COUNCIL THESE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

AND ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, PLANS, DESCRIPTIONS, WHAT WE HAVE THUS FAR TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING.

OKAY. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PROBLEMS THERE.

I THINK SOME OF IT'S BEEN SENT, IF NOT ALL. I BELIEVE I'VE SENT MAYBE ALL THREE, BUT I'LL DOUBLE CHECK.

NO, I'M NOT ON. I BELIEVE I'VE SENT ALL THREE.

THE MAYOR PRO TEM SAYS I HAVE, BUT I'LL DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE SURE.

AND IF WE COULD, I'LL JUST I'LL JUST ASK, SINCE I KNOW I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY EVERYONE GETS.

IF WE CAN JUST KIND OF CONSOLIDATE THOSE, PUT THEM BACK INTO AN EMAIL AND SEND THEM BACK OUT THEN JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS IT.

WE CALL IT TOP OF INBOX FOR EASY TO ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW.

AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY BREAKDOWNS ON ANY OF THE ITEMS, I THINK I KNOW, LIKE WHEN WE WERE IN THE BOND COMMITTEE, THE FOUNDERS AND COMMUNITY PARK, THE BREAKDOWN ON LIGHTS, PARKING AND TURF ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS GOING TO EACH ONE UNDER THE RECOMMENDATION, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE FOR SINCE THE COMMITTEE HAS COME BACK WITH THESE ITEMS GROUPED THIS WAY, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THESE ITEMS WITH THEIR DESCRIPTIONS AND PLANS AND EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FILTER THROUGH THEM IN PIECEMEAL AND PUT THAT, PUT THOSE TOGETHER.

ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE, GENTLEMEN, BEFORE I MOVE US TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION WITH NONE INDICATED.

YEP. COUNCILMAN DUKE. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DID A PARKS SURVEY IN 2020, AND I KNOW THAT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS.

BUT ON THE NUMBER THREE OF THE PRIORITY RANKINGS, IT SAYS EXPAND THE AMENITIES AT LAVON LAKE.

FISHING, PICNICKING AND SWIM BEACH. SO SINCE WE HAVE NOT DONE ANOTHER SURVEY SINCE THEN, I STILL HOLD THAT AS AS TRUE.

THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WITH NO OTHER COMMENTS, I WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE US OUT OF THAT WORK SESSION.

[WS3. Center for Public Safety Management Overview.]

SO WE'LL, WE'LL GO TO THREE AND THEN BACK TO TWO.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. JUST A JUSTICE.

THE PROMINENT TOUCHSCREEN. NO, NO IT IS. THERE YOU ARE.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE APPRECIATE THAT. MISTER PARKER HAS TO CATCH A PLANE EARLY IN THE MORNING TO TO GET BACK HOME.

SO SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE BUDGETED FOR TO BRING IN AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT AND JUST EVALUATE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND CREATE A STANDARDS OF COVERAGE.

NOT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT ANYTHING WAS WRONG, BUT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO, TO FORECAST AND MAKE SURE WE WERE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

AS YOU ALL KNOW ANYTHING THAT WE DO, FIRE STATION WISE OR OUR APPARATUS WISE, PERSONNEL WISE IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE AND IT TAKES A LOT OF PLANNING.

AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

AND SO WE CONTRACTED WITH THE CPS OR THE CENTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY MANAGEMENT.

AND MR. COREY PARKER IS HERE TONIGHT TO GIVE YOU KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THAT STANDARDS OF COVERAGE.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME HERE THIS EVENING.

MY NAME IS COREY PARKER. I AM ONE OF THE SENIOR ADVISORS FOR CENTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY MANAGEMENT.

MY ROLE HERE THIS EVENING IS TO SIMPLY PROVIDE YOU GUYS WITH A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE STANDARDS OF COVER, THE STANDARDS OF COVER WE DID WITH CHIEF BLYTHE AND HIS ORGANIZATION, AND THEN SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT, AND JUST AN OVERALL PERCEPTION OF OF THE ORGANIZATION.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, TOGETHER WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE.

I JUST HIT THE ARROW KEY ON THIS ONE. I GOT TO SCROLL IT OR DOWN.

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WE ARE THE CENTER OF FOR PUBLIC SAFETY MANAGEMENT.

WE ARE AN ARM OF THE ICMA. WE ARE THEIR PUBLIC SAFETY CONSULTING BRANCH.

SO THERE'S A LAW ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF OUR GROUP.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S FIRE AND EMS SIDE OF THE GROUP.

SO WE ARE THAT EXCLUSIVE PROVIDER FOR ICM A, AND WE PROVIDE ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF PRODUCTS AND ALL SORTS OF RESEARCH AND WORK ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

WE WORK WITH ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE VERY BIG, VERY SMALL UNION, NO UNION COMBINATION, ALL CAREER.

YOU KNOW, WE WORK WITH, WITH PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY THAT IS INTERESTED IN USING OUR SERVICES AND LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN HELP THE ORGANIZATIONS IMPROVE.

SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO PROVIDE.

WE DO MASTER PLANNING, WE DO ANALYSIS EVEN FOR OUR 911 CENTERS WE DO EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT.

SO WE HIRE FIRE CHIEFS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THERE'S HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ON THE FIRE RESCUE TEAM.

OUR TEAM ON THE GROUND, WE HAD THREE OF US. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR, OUR BOSS, WHO IS MR. JOE POZZO. WE'VE ALL BEEN IN THE FIRE SERVICE AND SOME OF US ARE STILL IN THE FIRE SERVICE.

WE HAVE EVERYBODY THAT'S BEEN MIDDLE MANAGERS, SENIOR MANAGERS, UP TO FIRE CHIEFS IN THE ORGANIZATION.

AND CURRENTLY BETWEEN HERE IN CANADA, WE'VE DONE OVER 500 STUDIES IN 46 STATES AND ALSO IN CANADA.

SO A LOT OF WORK THAT WE'VE DONE AND WE'RE VERY PRIVILEGED AND HONORED TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND TO BE TRUSTED BY THEM.

SO WHAT WE DO, OUR METHODOLOGY, ESPECIALLY FOR STANDARDS OF COVER, WHICH IS WHAT CHIEF BLYTHE WANTED US TO CONSIDER AND TO PROVIDE TO HIS ORGANIZATION.

THERE'S A LOT OF DATA WORK, SO WE HAVE A WHOLE DATA TEAM OF DOCTORS THAT THEIR JOB IS TO WORK WITH ALL THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT FOLKS, THE CAD FOLKS HERE IN THE CITY, AND GET ALL SORTS OF DATA.

AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE SOME OF THAT DATA BECAUSE DATA DRIVES IS A IS A DRIVER.

IT'S NOT THE ONLY DRIVER, BUT IT IS A BIG DRIVER IN HOW WE'RE DOING OUR BUSINESS AND HOW WE MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND EVEN OUR FINDINGS AND HOW WE PROVIDE OUR OBSERVATIONS.

WE WERE ON SITE, SO WE COME ON SITE, WE BRING A TEAM ON AND WE WORK WITH SENIOR STAFF, SENIOR MANAGEMENT WITH CHIEF.

WE MET WITH THEM EXTENSIVELY, NOT ONLY ON SITE, BUT WE CAME AND WELL, WE DID ZOOM CALLS.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM EVER SINCE WE WERE HERE BEGINNING OF SEP KNOW WE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER LAST YEAR.

WE CAME IN THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER. AND THEN. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT WITH THEM TO COMPLETION.

NOW WE DO A DOCUMENT REVIEW. WE GET ALL THEIR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.

WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, CITY DOCUMENTS SUCH AS YOUR BUDGETS, YOUR ORDINANCES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

ON SITE, WE LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS. WE GO OUT AND WE VISIT THE FIRE STATIONS.

WE LOOK AT HOW THINGS ARE WORKING. WE LOOK AT THE CITY.

SO WE GET TO DRIVE THE CITY AND LOOK AT YOUR TARGET HAZARDS.

WE LOOK AT YOUR HOW YOUR DISTRICTS ARE LAID OUT, WHAT YOUR POPULATION LOOKS LIKE, WHAT YOUR HOUSING LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF OUR RISK ANALYSIS THAT WE WRITE.

AND THEN WE DO WHAT'S CALLED A DEPLOYMENT ANALYSIS.

AND THAT'S BASICALLY SAYING, HEY. YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY IN TERMS OF OUR FIRE STATIONS AND WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO DEPLOY IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. AND IT'S BASED ALL ON BENCHMARKING.

SO WE'RE, WE'LL GET INTO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR BENCHMARKING IS WE'RE USING, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THE ISO. SO WE USE THE ISO RATING AND THEY'RE BENCHMARKING IS BASED ON MILEAGE WHERE NFPA, WHICH IS OUR STANDARDS THAT OUR CONSENSUS STANDARDS THAT WE USE IN THE FIRE SERVICE.

IT'S BASED ON TIME. AND THEN AS YOU'LL SEE, NOT ONLY TIME, BUT ALSO IT DEFINES THE CRITICAL TASKING THAT WE DO ON A FIRE AND AN EMS INCIDENT. AND THEN IT PROVIDES THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE NEEDED FOR THOSE TYPES OF INCIDENTS BASED ON THE RISK PROFILE OF THE INCIDENT.

SO OUR STANDARDS OF COVER CHIEF BLYTHE WANTED US STANDARDS OF COVER.

THIS IS THE MOST EXTENSIVE DOCUMENT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER.

IT'S AS IF YOU'VE READ THE DOCUMENTS WELL OVER 215, 230 SOME PAGES.

AND IT PROVIDES EVERYTHING FROM A COMMUNITY RISK ANALYSIS TO A DEPLOYMENT MODEL, AND IT GOES THROUGH EVERYTHING IN THEIR ORGANIZATION.

SO OUR GOAL HERE WHEN WE PUT A STANDARDS OF COVER TOGETHER IS BASICALLY AS WE, AS WE SHOW YOU, WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A, THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY RISK AND THEN HOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE DEPLOYED AND HOW THEY SHOULD BE CONCENTRATED AND STAFFED AND WHAT THEY SHOULD BE PROVIDING. AND THAT'S REALLY THE, THE, THE CRUX OF THE STANDARDS OF COVER.

AND THEN YOU TAKE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND YOU DEVELOP A RESPONSE PLAN FOR THE ORGANIZATION.

SO WE SAY, HOW MANY STATIONS DO YOU NEED? WHAT TYPE OF APPARATUS DO YOU NEED? WHAT TYPE OF STAFFING DO YOU NEED? HOW IS ALL THAT SUPPORTED THROUGH TRAINING, THROUGH ADMINISTRATION, THROUGH 911 CENTER, WE LOOK AND WE ADD ALL THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.

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AND WHAT WE DO IS SPECIFICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT FIRE.

FIRE SERVICE INCIDENTS, EMS, AND THEN THEIR TECH RESCUE, THEIR SPECIALTY TYPES OF RESPONSES.

AND WHAT CHIEF BLYTHE REALLY WANTED US TO DO WHEN HE SAT WITH US, THE GOAL, AND I'LL READ IT HERE IS IS HE WANTED US TO PROVIDE THE CITY OF WYLIE AND HIS ORGANIZATION WITH A TRANSPARENT, DEFENSIBLE AND DATA INFORMED APPROACH TO EMERGENCY SERVICE PLANNING.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID. SO WE DID THAT FOR HIM, AND KUDOS TO HIM AND HIS ORGANIZATION FOR, YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR THIS TO TO BE LOOKED AT.

IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY TO, TO UNCOVER EVERYTHING IN AN ORGANIZATION AND HAVE IT LOOKED AT AND ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS.

BUT THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB. SO THE, THE FIRST THING I WANT TO DO IS LET'S SEE, WHERE ARE WE? OKAY. STANDARDS ARE COVERED. SO THE COMPONENTS I WENT THROUGH THESE A LITTLE BIT.

SO I WON'T DWELL ON THESE UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM SPECIFICALLY.

BUT THE FOUNDATION FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS THE RISK ANALYSIS, RIGHT? BECAUSE HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU NEED TO PROVIDE IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RISKS ARE IN YOUR COMMUNITY? THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION. THAT'S HOW YOU LOGICALLY GET FROM NOW.

WE UNDERSTAND THE RISK. NOW WE CAN PUT TOGETHER WHAT IT IS THAT WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING AND DOING BASED ON THE RISK.

AND THE RISK PROFILE IS OF FILES ARE VERY DIFFERENT.

AND THEN IN SOME AREAS THEY'RE VERY CONSISTENT.

WE'RE IN TEXAS QUITE A BIT. IN FACT, WE'RE WE'RE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD IN MELISSA IN MESQUITE DOING PROJECTS RIGHT NOW, WORKING WITH CHIEF HOPKINS AND CHIEF NIX AND THEIR CEOS AND THEIR BOARDS AND THEIR COUNCILS.

THERE'S A LOT OF SIMILARITIES BECAUSE YOUR CITIES AND THE WAY YOUR RISK PROFILES LOOK, BUT WE WORK IN BIG CITIES TOO.

WE WORK IN RURAL AREAS AND THEY'RE JUST VERY DIFFERENT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE AND WE CAN JUST DROP SOMETHING AND OVERLAY.

BUT YOU'VE REALLY GOT TO UNDERSTAND. AND YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF YOUR EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THE DATA CENTER, WE CALL THEM TILT SLAB BUILDINGS, THE CONCRETE BUILDINGS, THOSE TYPES OF BUILDINGS WHERE THEY SIT, HOW THEY MATCH UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL, HOW MUCH RESIDENTIAL, WHAT TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL, WHAT IS YOUR DENSITY? YOUR POPULATION DENSITY DRIVES YOUR CALL VOLUME.

THAT'S JUST WHAT WE KNOW STATISTICALLY. THAT'S HOW THE BUSINESS WORKS.

SO HOW IS ALL THAT LAID OUT IN THE CITY? WILEY.

WE'LL LOOK AT IT HERE IN A MINUTE. AND AGAIN, I TOLD YOU WE USE BENCHMARKING.

SO WE ALWAYS LIKE TO COMPARE AGAINST SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW DOES HOW DOES EPSOM COME UP WITH THAT INFORMATION? HOW DID WE MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION OR DO AN ANALYSIS AND SAY WE MET SOMETHING OR WE DIDN'T MEET SOMETHING? WE DON'T JUST MAKE IT UP. WE USE ALL OF THESE STANDARDS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT IMPACT FIRE AND RESCUE.

AND THEN PART OF THAT IS NOW WE COME INTO A RISK CATEGORIZATION.

SO WE LOOK AT YOUR YOUR CITY AND WE LOOK AT ALL SORTS OF FACTORS, YOUR TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL RISKS, YOUR POPULATION DENSITY? WE LOOK AT YOUR POPULATION AGE AND WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT AGE IS OLDER AND YOUNGER DRIVING MS YOU KNOW, FIVE AND UNDER DRIVE MS 65 AND OLDER DRIVE. MS. OKAY. SO WE LOOK AT ALL OF THAT. WE LOOK AT THEIR PROFILE, THE RACIAL PROFILES, WE LOOK AT THEIR INCOMES BECAUSE WE KNOW POVERTY DRIVES A LOT OF OF MS IN OUR BUSINESS. SO THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT WE KNOW.

SO AS WE START LOOKING AT YOUR ORGANIZATION IN YOUR CITY, IN ALL OF YOUR IN YOUR PROFILE, WE CAN START BUILDING A RISK ASSESSMENT AND A RISK CATEGORIZATION FOR ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS WITHIN THE CITY, WHICH WE DID THAT FOR YOU GUYS. AND THEN AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, LIKE A LOT OF THINGS I KNOW IN FIRE RESCUE 911 CENTER GIS IS THE BIG DEAL NOW, RIGHT? IT REALLY INFORMS US A LOT. CAN YOU I'M BOUNCING AWAY FROM YOUR MICROPHONE.

YOU GUYS OKAY IF I, I LIKE TO LIKE, MOVE AROUND A LITTLE IF I'M.

I KNOW SHE'LL TELL ME, RIGHT. IF I'M. I KNOW SHE'S THE BOSS DOWN THERE.

SO SO WE USE A LOT OF GIS. WE HAVE GIS FOLKS ON STAFF FULL TIME.

THEY WORK WITH THE FOLKS HERE IN WYLIE IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THE GIS IS ACCURATE.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ACCURATE. AND AS WE'RE INTERPRETING WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THROUGH THE GIS AND WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE IS WE'RE LOOKING AT BASELINE MAPPING BASELINE ASSESSMENTS YOUR CENSUS DATA, AS I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU PART OF YOUR INFORMATION THAT WE GET FROM YOU, YOUR BUDGETS AND HOW YOU STAFF AND HOW YOU DEPLOY AND WHAT YOU USE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW IN WYLIE, YOU GUYS ARE QUINCE YOU KNOW, VERSUS ENGINE LADDER TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS ANOTHER WAY OF DOING THE BUSINESS AND HAVE YOUR RESCUES WHERE YOUR STATION IS LOCATED. AND THEN WHERE'S THE DEMAND? WHERE RIGHT NOW, IF WE LOOKED AT IT, WHERE WOULD THE DEMAND BE? AND WYLIE AND THAT INFORMS US A LOT OF WHERE WE SHOULD BE PLACING OUR RESOURCES.

AND THEN THIS IS A BIG ONE THAT WE LOOK AT AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS ONE.

HERE THIS EVENING IS OUR RESPONSE TIME. PERFORMANCE IN RESPONSE TIME IS BASICALLY FROM THE 911 CALL TO THE TIME WE PUT OUR FIRST UNIT ON THE SCENE,

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CALL CALLS TO THE TIME THAT THE DISPATCHERS DISPATCH IT OR TURNOUT TIME IS DEFINED AS, HEY, WE GOT A CALL. SO THE FIRE STATION IS INFORMED AND DISPATCHED TO THE TIME THEY TURN OUT AND GET ON THE ROAD AND THEY MARK RESPONDING.

AND THEN THE LAST TIME IS YOUR TRAVEL TIME, WHICH IS FROM WHEN WE LEAVE THE STATION TO WHEN WE ACTUALLY ARRIVE ON SCENE.

AND YOU PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER AND THAT'S CALLED A RESPONSE TIME.

SO WE LOOK AT ALL OF THAT. THAT'S PART OF NFPA, THAT'S PART OF YOUR ISO RATINGS AND CONSIDERATIONS.

AND WE USE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF MEASUREMENTS.

WE USE AN AVERAGE. AND THEN WE USE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE TIGHTER, WHICH PROVIDES A LITTLE MORE SCRUTINY INTO THE PROCESS, WHICH IS THE 90TH PERCENTILE, WHICH TAKES OUT YOUR OUTLIERS.

AND YOU GUYS HAVE WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW YOU RESPOND IN THE SIZE OF YOUR, YOUR, YOUR CITY, AND THEN MS RESPONSE SIZE IS DIFFERENT THAN YOUR FIRE.

THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME OUTLIERS IN THERE AND THAT'S WITH YOUR 90TH PERCENTILE WILL DO WHICH A 90TH PERCENTILE, PLEASE, I DON'T WANT TO INSULT ANYBODY. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.

JUST TELL ME. IT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, HEY, AT 90% OF THE TIME OR MORE, WE'RE DOING THIS AND WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THAT HERE IN A MINUTE. BUT HERE'S YOUR DEMAND. SO THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR THE CHIEF AND HIS STAFF AS THEY'RE LOOKING AT A NEW STATION FIVE AND MAYBE MOVING SOME STATIONS AROUND DOING SOME OTHER THINGS TO GET COVERAGE WITHIN THE CITY AND BEYOND.

AND YOU'LL NOTICE HERE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT MEASUREMENTS.

THERE'S A CALL AND A RUN. SO MOST OF YOU, I'D SAY PROBABLY ALL OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH A CALL.

SO WHEN WE SAY WILEY AND 2025, YOU KNOW, JULY 1ST.

OH, THAT SHOULD BE YET. TO JUNE 30TH, LET'S JUST PICK ONE THAT SAYS 7381.

SO THAT'S JUST THE NUMBER OF TIMES THEY WERE DISPATCHED.

OKAY. AND A RUN IS DIFFERENT. SO A RUN IS THE ACTUAL WORKLOAD.

AND THAT'S A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T DO A GOOD ENOUGH JOB WITH ALL OF YOU, ALL INFORMING YOU OF OUR OF SOME OF OUR ACTUAL WORKLOAD.

SO YOU CAN SEE THERE IT'S ALMOST A DOUBLE. THERE'S ALMOST TWICE THE AMOUNT OF RUNS AS THERE ARE CALLS.

SO A RUN IS HOW MANY UNITS ARE ACTUALLY PUT ONTO THAT INCIDENT.

SO THE EXAMPLE I'LL GIVE YOU IS LET'S SAY WE HAVE AN AUTO ACCIDENT WITH ENTRAPMENT.

OKAY. PEOPLE ARE TRAPPED IN A CAR OR A TRUCK.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET A THAT'S ONE CALL, RIGHT? AN AUTO ACCIDENT WITH ENTRAPMENT. IT'S ONE CALL, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET UP. LET'S SAY WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE SQUAD. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE QUINT, AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE TWO MEDIC UNITS AND A BATTALION CHIEF. THAT'S FIVE RUNS ON ONE CALL. SO THAT TAKES ALL FIVE OF THOSE UNITS OUT OF SERVICE.

AND THAT ORGANIZATION HAS TO BE RESILIENT ENOUGH TO TO BE PREPARED.

NOW WHAT DO WE DO TO COVER THE CITY WHEN MY THIS ONE CALL IS DEMANDING FIVE OF MY UNITS.

SO THAT'S WHY RUNS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. IMPORTANT.

EXCUSE ME, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT WORKLOAD ANALYSIS BECAUSE IT REALLY HELPS YOU UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE AVAILABILITY OF THE UNITS AND HOW ARE THEY MOVING THINGS AROUND TO ABSORB THESE TYPES OF CALLS AND GET BACK TO QUOTE UNQUOTE NORMALCY AFTER THESE UNITS ARE BACK IN SERVICE. SO HERE'S YOUR DEMAND ANALYSIS FOR WILEY, YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, AS I'M LOOKING, YOUR EMS DEMAND AND YOUR FIRE DEMAND, THEY PRETTY MUCH ARE, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR.

AND THOSE ARE WHERE YOUR CALLS ARE. SO WHEN THE CHIEF'S LOOKING AND HIS STAFF ARE LIKE, WHERE SHOULD WE BE PUTTING OUR PEOPLE? WHERE SHOULD OUR RESOURCES BE? THIS IS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION THAT HE'S HAVING, AND THEY OBVIOUSLY DO, BECAUSE YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT. AND IF YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR STATIONS ARE, YEP, THEY'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT DEMAND FOR BOTH FIRE AND EMS. SO THESE ARE THESE ARE YOUR DEMANDS. THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS THAT STARTS.

AND THIS IS JUST A A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

SO FROM JULY 24TH TO JUNE 25TH THAT YEAR, 7391 CALLS.

OKAY. 20 OF THOSE CALLS 20 CALLS AND 37 RUNS PER DAY.

THAT'S THE AVERAGE FOR THE ORGANIZATION PER DAY IN THAT YEAR THAT WE LOOKED AT.

NO, NO DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY ELSE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

66% ARE EMS. 27 WERE FIRE RELATED AND THEY HAD 2% WERE ACTUALLY STRUCTURE FIRE RESPONSES.

SO FIRE RELATED COULD BE A FIRE ALARM, A HAZARD CALL, A CEMENT.

WE CALL THEM SMELLS AND BELLS. JUST ANY TYPE OF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS THAT WARRANT THAT THAT FIRE APPARATUS TO GO ON THE STREET, 3% WERE CANCELED AND 4% WERE MUTUAL AID. SO THAT REALLY STARTS THE PICTURE FOR US AS WE START LOOKING AT THE ORGANIZATION.

SO AS YOU GUYS KNOW JUST BRIEFLY HERE, YOU HAVE A FULL CAREER, ALL HAZARDS EMERGENCY RESPONSE IN THE CITY OF WILEY.

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IN THE COUNTRY, THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT THE NORM.

THEY'RE USUALLY EITHER A STANDALONE OR THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S WHERE THEY USE ONE OF THOSE TWO PLACES.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY A NICE ADVANTAGE FOR THEM IN ORDER TO GET THINGS DONE QUICKLY.

INSTEAD OF HAVING ADVISORY BOARDS AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF, THEY HAVE TO MOVE THROUGH TO GET POLICY CHANGED.

THEY OPERATE FROM THEIR FOUR STATIONS. THIS IS ONE OF YOUR.

IT'S NOT, IT'S AN ANOMALY. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

YOU KNOW, YOUR EMS SERVICE AREA IS 50, ALMOST 52MI² WHERE YOUR FIRE AREA IS ONLY 37.5.

SO YOU HAVE A MUCH BIGGER MS AREA THAT YOU RESPOND TO AND THAT YOU COVER THAN YOU DO FOR YOUR FIRE AREA BASED ON YOUR CONTRACTS AND YOUR, AND YOUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH YOUR LOCALITIES AROUND YOU.

YOU GUYS ARE RUNNING YOUR, FOR YOUR, FOR FRONT LINE QUINTS THREE LESS TRANSPORT, ONE LESS SQUAD, YOU HAVE TECH RESCUE, YOU HAVE WHAT WE CALL ADJUNCT UNITS.

AND THEN YOUR DAILY STAFFING MINIMUM IS 25. I THINK A THING TO NOTE HERE WITH THIS ORGANIZATION IS THEIR ISO CLASS ONE.

WHICH IN THE IF YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTRY, THEY'RE IN THE 1% TOP 1% OF THE ENTIRE NATION IN FIRE DEPARTMENTS, THERE'S ONLY 1% OF THE ENTIRE COUNTRY WHOSE FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE ACTUALLY CLASS ONE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S FANTASTIC. SO YOU HAVE A VERY PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION, A VERY COMMITTED CHIEF, A VERY COMMITTED ORGANIZATION. AND THE THINGS THAT YOU ARE DOING AND IT'S NOT THE NUMBER ISN'T THERE ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND IN TEXAS, I THINK THERE'S 110 AND THAT'S IT. AND SO YOU GUYS ARE IN RARE AIR AND YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF THIS GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS AND THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING FOR YOU AND PROTECTING YOUR CITIZENS. SO NOW WE GET INTO SOME OF THE EVALUATIONS.

SO WHAT THIS IS SHOWING YOU IS WHAT'S CALLED A RESPONSE FORCE, AN EFFECTIVE RESPONSE FORCE.

SO NFPA SAYS, HEY, WHEN WE RUN A FIRE, THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE FIRE AND A AND A AND A MEDIUM HAZARD HOUSE.

SO THIS IS WHAT WOULD BE YOUR TYPICAL HOME HERE IN YOUR ANY OF YOUR HOMES WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BE THIS CONSIDERATION? SO WHAT NFPA SAYS IS, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DEFINE THE TASKS THEY'RE CALLED.

IT'S CALLED CRITICAL TASKING. AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN ON A FIRE SIMULTANEOUSLY IN ORDER TO GET IT DONE EFFICIENTLY, EFFECTIVELY, AND SAFELY. OKAY. SO THAT'S HOW THEY'RE DEFINING.

SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOUR FOLKS ARE DOING BY AND THEY ARE DOING THESE THINGS.

YOU GOT INCIDENT COMMAND, YOU GOT A WATER SUPPLY THAT'S COMING INTO THAT ATTACK ENGINE.

YOU HAVE TWO HAND LINES, USUALLY IN ATTACK LINE AND A BACKUP LINE AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

SO YOU HAVE WE GOT PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO HOOK UP TO THE HYDRANT.

WE HAVE TO DO FORCIBLE ENTRY INTO A HOME. WE HAVE TO SEARCH THE HOME FOR FOR VICTIMS. AND IF THEY'RE IN THERE, WE HAVE TO RESCUE THEM FOR OUR SAFETY.

WE HAVE TO LADDER THE BUILDING. SO IF WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE UPPER FLOORS AND WE GET CUT OFF FROM A STAIRWELL, THESE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN GET OUT. WE COORDINATE VENTING THE BUILDING SO IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH SOME VERY DANGEROUS PHENOMENON THAT ACTUALLY WILL KILL OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND DOES KILL OUR FIREFIGHTERS. SO THERE'S THIS COORDINATION.

IF WE'RE USING THE QUINT, THE LADDER ON THE QUINT WE HAVE, WE COUNT FOR ONE PERSON THERE.

AND THEN WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED AN IRIC, WHICH IS BASICALLY OSHA TELLS US WE HAVE TO HAVE FOR EVERY FOR TWO PEOPLE ON THE INCIDENT TO GO INTO AN INTERIOR STRUCTURE FOR FIREFIGHTING. WE GOT TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON THE OUTSIDE.

WHAT NFPA SAYS IS, YEAH, WE LIKE TO, BUT WHAT WE KNOW FROM OUR DATA AND UNFORTUNATELY, FROM FIREFIGHTERS DYING AND THE RESEARCH THAT'S BEEN DONE, TWO PEOPLE ISN'T ENOUGH. IF I GO DOWN IN A FIRE, TWO PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BRING ME OUT IF I'M UNCONSCIOUS OR I'M DEAD.

IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. OKAY. IT TAKES A LOT MORE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO BRING SOMEBODY OUT.

SO NFPA TALKS ABOUT HAVING FOUR OF US INSTEAD OF TWO OF US.

SO WHEN YOU ADD THAT UP, DEPENDING ON IF WE'RE USING THAT AERIAL OPERATOR OR NOT FOR THAT LADDER, THAT BIG LADDER ON YOUR QUINT, WE'RE LOOKING AT 16 OR 17 PEOPLE, AND THAT'S WHAT NFPA RECOMMENDS OVER THERE TO THE RIGHT, WE HAVE WILEY'S EFFECTIVE RESPONSE FORCE. SO THEY'RE BRINGING 15.

AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY HAVE WHAT I'LL CALL A WORKING FIRE DISPATCH.

SO RIGHT AWAY YOU'RE GETTING THAT YOU'RE GETTING THE 15.

AND THEN THEY GO, OH, WE'VE GOT TO, WE DO HAVE A WORKING FIRE.

THEY'RE ADDING THOSE THREE ADDITIONAL ENGINES OR SQUAD THREE COMMAND STAFF, A SAFETY OFFICER.

SO THEY'RE BRINGING IN ANOTHER 16 PEOPLE. SO THEY'RE BRINGING 31 PEOPLE OR.

YEAH. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. 31 FOLKS TO AN INCIDENT.

OKAY. SO THEY'RE DOING VERY WELL. AND I KNOW FROM TALKING WITH.

IT'S INTERESTING SINCE WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED WITH THIS REPORT.

THERE'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'VE PUT IN HERE THAT WE ARE THAT WE NOW WE KNOW THAT THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING AND SOCIALIZING AND WORKING TO TRY TO EITHER FTES AS WE'LL

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LIKE I KNOW THAT THAT SQUAD IS GOING UP INTO THE INITIAL DISPATCH JUST ON CONVERSATIONS WITH, WITH CHIEF RITTER AND CHIEF BLYTHE AND FOLKS ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING BUSINESS.

SO THEY'VE ALREADY TAKEN THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SHOWN THEM AND SAID, HEY, WE CAN MAKE SOME OF THESE BETTER, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WANT. SO THEN WE LOOK AT OUR RESPONSE TIMES.

REMEMBER I TOLD YOU IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO SEVERAL SUBCATEGORIES.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS A COMPONENT OF YOUR 911 CENTER.

OKAY. SO THAT'S REMEMBER WE SAID, HEY, COREY PARKER'S CALLING 911.

THEY PICK UP. THEY DO. THE CALL TAKER DOES WHAT THE CALL TAKER DOES.

THEY MOVE IT OVER. THEY SHIP IT, THEY DISPATCH IT.

THAT'S SO NFPA TALKS ABOUT AND RECOMMENDS AT THE 90TH PERCENTILE, IT HAS TO BE UNDER 64 SECONDS.

90% OF THE TIME YOU GUYS ARE AT 66 SECONDS 90% OF THE TIME, BUT YOU MEET THE 95% TILE RIGHT NOW.

SO NFPA SHOWS A 90% AND THEN A 95%. WE USE THE 90, BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU, YOU GUYS ARE DOING VERY WELL AND YOU'RE ONLY TWO SECONDS OFF FROM HITTING THAT 90%. AND THEN YOUR TURNOUT TIMES, THIS IS, THIS IS THE ONE AREA WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AGAIN, REMEMBER THE 911 CENTER IS USUALLY NOT IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO WHEN I SAY THIS, I THINK AGGREGATELY FOR FIRE SERVICE IN GENERAL.

THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THE MOST INFLUENCE IS HOW QUICKLY CAN WE GET OUT THE DOOR? RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S THE KEY HERE. SO NFPA SAYS 80S FOR A FIRE BECAUSE WHY WE GOT TO PUT ON ALL THAT GEAR, RIGHT. AND GET IN THE RIG AND PUT OUR SEAT BELTS ON, AND WE'RE GOING 60S FOR MS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.

SO YOU GUYS RIGHT NOW ARE AT 96 SECONDS FOR FIRE AND 72 SECONDS FOR EMS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'VE WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH CHIEF BLYTHE AND CHIEF RITTER, AND WE GOT IT.

WE GOT WE UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.

AND WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE THINGS TO BRING THAT TIME DOWN.

AND THEN WE HAVE THIS TRAVEL TIME. NFPA SAYS YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, 200 AND 40S TO GET THAT FIRST UNIT ON THE SCENE 90% OF THE TIME.

RIGHT NOW YOU GUYS ARE AT 366 SECONDS. AND THEN YOU SEE THE NEXT ONE WE LOOK AT FOR EMS, IT'S STILL 240.

AND FOR YOUR EMS, YOU'RE AT 348 SECONDS. AND A LOT OF THAT WHEN YOU WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT IS BASICALLY HOW BIG THOSE DISTRICTS ARE, RIGHT? HOW BIG YOUR, YOUR CITY IS.

AND WHEN WE LOOK AT YOUR CITY IN GENERAL, IF WE LINE IT UP, THERE'S 55% OF YOUR CITY THAT HITS THAT FOUR MINUTE MARK RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

SO YOU GUYS ARE DOING VERY WELL. YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF YOUR OUTLIER AREAS.

YOU KNOW, CHIEFS, THEY'RE LOOKING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT WITH STATION FIVE, WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING AND CONSIDERING WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THAT MOVEMENT OF SOME OF THEIR OTHER STATIONS AROUND TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THIS COVERAGE THAT THEY, THEY KNOW ABOUT.

AND THEY CAN SEE NOW THEY HAVE GREAT GIS FOLKS.

MY MAN RIGHT THERE DOES ALL THEIR GIS. SO THEY HAVE A REALLY FANTASTIC PROCESS.

THEY'RE DOING AS THEY'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS.

SO WHAT WE DID WITH THEM IS WE JUST SAID, HEY, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S CREATE A PROCESS AND A GOAL HERE IN THE CITY OF THAT 242ND TRAVEL TIME, THAT'S REALISTIC. SO WE PICK 1 OR 2 MILES TRAVEL DISTANCE.

SO WITHIN 1 OR 2 MILES FROM THAT FIRE STATION, THEY SHOULD HAVE A GOAL OF HITTING THAT TWO, 40, 90% OF THE TIME OR GREATER, BECAUSE WE CAN'T.

AS BIG AS YOU ARE AND AS LARGE AS YOU ARE, YOUR FOOTPRINT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HIT.

WHY CREATE GOALS THAT AREN'T. WE CAN'T BE CHALLENGED AND MEET.

RIGHT? THEY HAVE TO BE ATTAINABLE. AND AS YOU BUILD YOUR STATIONS, THESE.

THESE WILL AUTOMATICALLY COME INTO THEM. AND THEN 362ND TRAVEL TIME FOR YOUR FOR YOUR DISTANT AREAS IS LOOKING AT SIX MINUTES VERSUS THE FOUR MINUTES.

AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE BENCH MARK FOR THEIR TURNOUT TIMES.

LET'S 80S LET'S GET TO THE 82ND AND LET'S GET TO THE 60S FOR MS RESPONSE.

AND I PROBABLY, THAT'S JUST MOSTLY AN AWARENESS THING FOR THE FOLKS.

BUT THE CHIEFS AND THEM UNDERSTAND IT AND I KNOW THEY'VE, THEY'VE TOLD US THAT THEY'VE GOT SOME IDEAS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.

AND THEN THE 482ND BENCHMARK IS, HEY, WE GOT TO GET THE ENTIRE FIRST ALARM ON THE SCENE WITHIN 400 AND 80S. SO WHEN YOU LOOK IN THE CITY THAT THAT THEY'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD BASED ON WHERE THEY.

AND IT CAN BE A LOT QUICKER BECAUSE YOU SEE WHERE THOSE STATIONS ARE DEPENDING ON WHERE THAT INCIDENT IS.

SO THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT, HEY, THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS.

LET'S BRING THEM UP. LET'S, LET'S MAKE THEM KNOWN TO THE ORGANIZATION AND SOCIALIZE THEM, AND LET'S WORK ON IT AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN DO SOME OF THESE THINGS.

SO THEN WE TALK ABOUT ISO, RIGHT? WE JUST LOOKED AT NFPA, WE TALKED.

WE TOLD YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NFPA AND ISO IS ISO USES MILEAGE RATINGS, RIGHT, VERSUS TIME.

SO WHAT THEY SAY IS, HEY, FROM THAT FIRE STATION EVERY STREET, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO OVERLAY THE DIAMONDS AT

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WELL, IT'S NOT THAT'S NOT A SURPRISE. RIGHT. AS EXPANSIVE AS YOU GUYS ARE.

AND BUT YOU DO VERY WELL. YOU DO VERY WELL. SO YOUR YOUR CORE AREA IS COVERED, YOUR FIRE DEMAND'S COVERED WHERE YOUR DEMAND IS THAT WE SHOWED YOU ON THAT DEMAND MAP.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT AND GO, ARE WE COVERED IN THESE AREAS? YES YOU ARE. THESE ARE SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE THERE'S OUTLYING OUTLIERS.

SOUTH OF STATION ONE AND THREE, THERE'S SOME NORTHEAST AREA OF TWO AND FOUR.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TODAY WITH CHIEF RITTER, WHO SEES THAT AS THEY'RE LOOKING AT CONTEMPLATING WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DO WITH STATION TWO. IT'LL SHIFT HOW SOME OF THOSE THAT 1.5 MILE LOOKS.

AND THEN FOR THE LATTER TRUCK, WHICH WE WE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE QUINT.

SO WE, WE LOOK AT IT BOTH WAYS. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT BOTH OR ISO IS LOOKING AT IT BOTH WAYS.

SO THEN I GO, OKAY, THAT'S A LADDER TRUCK. LADDER TRUCKS HAVE TO COVER 2.5 MILES FROM THE STATION AND YOU GUYS ARE STILL VERY GOOD.

YOUR FIRE DEMAND AREAS ARE COVERED VERY WELL.

AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT LESS OUTLIER.

YOU HAVE SOUTH OF STATION ONE AND THEN THAT SAME NORTHEAST CORRIDOR UP THIS WAY A LITTLE BIT AND OVER.

THE REALITY OF ALL OF THIS IS WHATEVER MOVE WE MAKE, THERE'S A CONSEQUENCE TO THE MOVE.

SO IF I MOVE SOMETHING WITHOUT CONTEMPLATING PUTTING SOMETHING ELSE IN PLACE, ALL I'VE DONE IS SHIFTED WHERE THAT AREA OF, YOU KNOW, VULNERABILITY IS. IF I MOVE DOWN, WELL, NOW I'VE JUST SHIFTED IT UP.

SO YOU'VE GOT THIS IS A MODEL THAT THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.

AND THAT'S WHY GIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU ASK THE QUESTIONS LIKE, OKAY, IF I PUT STATION FIVE THERE NOW, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND THEY CAN RUN THAT STUFF.

THEY CAN RUN IT. IT'S, IT'S, AND THEN THEY GO, OKAY, NOW WHAT IF WE SHIFT THIS? AND SO AS THEY WORK WITH YOU, THEY CAN PROVIDE YOU VERY INFORMED RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

AND THIS IS STUFF, YOU KNOW, AS AN ISO ORGANIZATION THAT THEY THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT ALL THIS STUFF MEANS.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF REALLY, REALLY INFORMED INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE YOU GUYS SHOULD BE PLACING YOUR STATIONS AND WHAT TYPE OF APPARATUS YOU SHOULD BE RUNNING WITH.

YOUR STAFFING LEVEL SHOULD LOOK LIKE SO. WITH ISO.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS THEY JUST REALLY GOT TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE. YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT JUST RELY ON WHEN ISO COMES IN, LET'S START LOOKING AND BE PROACTIVE, WHICH THEY'RE DOING WITH STATION FIVE.

AND I KNOW WE JUST WENT UP TO TWO AND LOOKED AT THE TRAINING GROUNDS A LITTLE WHILE AGO AGAIN.

AND HOW WAS THAT GOING TO WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH TWO? YOU KNOW, ONE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S SOME OF YOUR SMALLER STATIONS, SOME OF YOUR OLDER STUFF.

SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO MOVE? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO REPLACE REBUILD.

ARE WE MOVING? HOW DOES THAT IMPACT WHERE STATION FIVE WOULD GO? AND THEN ALL OF THAT? THERE'S A CONSEQUENCE TO WHAT ALL OF THAT LOOKS LIKE IN TERMS OF OVERLAYING ALL OF THESE, EITHER 1.5 MARKERS OR 2.5 FOR THE BIG OR THE LADDER TRUCKS.

SO YOUR EMS SYSTEM, VERY, VERY, VERY GOOD EMS SYSTEM.

YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT YOUR ALS FOLKS THAT ARE, THAT THEY RIDE FIRE TRUCKS, THEY RIDE MEDIC UNITS, THEY STAFF YOUR SQUAD. VERY, VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH YOUR OMD, YOUR OPERATIONAL MEDICAL DIRECTOR, A LOT OF GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THERE ABOUT YOUR PROTOCOLS AND THEIR COMFORT OF ALLOWING THE FOLKS ON THE STREET TO DO DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF YOU KNOW, TREATMENTS FOR PATIENTS. AGAIN, EMS IS YOUR BIG DRIVER AND IT'S THE SAME WAY ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, EVEN IN THE BIG CITIES, WHEN YOU RATIO EVERYTHING OUT, EVEN, YOU KNOW, FDNY WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY RUN SO MANY BIG FIRES, BUT WHEN YOU RATIO OUT, THEY RUN MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF CALLS A YEAR.

BUT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF CALLS ARE EMS CALLS. THEY'RE STILL AT THE SAME RATIO AS EVERYBODY ELSE WHEN YOU LINE IT UP.

AND HOW ARE WE HANDLING THIS? YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE HANDLING THIS, THIS EMS CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR IN OUR ORGANIZATIONS AND IN OUR COMMUNITIES? SO THERE'S CME PROGRAMS, VERY GOOD, WHICH IS HOW THEY DO THE CONTINUING EDUCATION BECAUSE THEY'RE THE REQUIRED IS PARAMEDICS AND EMTS TO HAVE SO MUCH EDUCATION PER YEAR. AND WHEN THEY RECERTIFY. SO THEY'RE DOING ALL OF THAT.

THEY HAVE PEOPLE IN PLACE THAT MANAGE THAT FOR THEM IN THE ORGANIZATION.

THEY HAVE A QUALITY ASSURANCE PROGRAM THAT'S LOOKING AT THEIR INCIDENTS, THEIR HIGH ACUITY TYPE INCIDENTS, WHICH ARE CARDIAC ARREST, TRAUMA, TRAUMA, CARDIAC ARREST, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

AND THEY'RE BASICALLY, THEY GO THROUGH THOSE CALLS AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT TRIGGERS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AND THEY CAN BUILD.

THEY CAN LOOK AT TRENDS, THEY CAN SEE TRENDS, AND THEY CAN SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO DO TRAINING ON MAYBE OUR IV PLACEMENT ISN'T VERY GOOD BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN MISSING TOO MANY IVS. AND THEN THEY CAN CREATE A TRAINING PROGRAM THAT CAN GO OUT TO THE STREET.

SO THEY HAVE A VERY GOOD PROGRAM. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAW, WHICH WAS AN AREA THAT THEY, THAT WE, WE BELIEVE WE CAN IMPROVE ON HERE IS THEY DON'T HAVE OPERATIONAL SUPERVISORS ON THE STREET.

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THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE OUT IN, WE'LL CALL THEM THE BUGGIES.

THEY'RE IN A BRONCO OR A TAHOE OR WHATEVER, AND THEY'RE DOING MORE ADVANCED TYPE SKILLS, SO WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY OF THEM.

YOU MAY NEED ONE. YOU MAY NEED TWO TO COVER YOUR ENTIRE AREA.

THESE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS.

THEY'RE DOING VERY COMPLICATED AIRWAY. THEY'RE USING PARALYTICS.

SO THEY'RE PARALYZING PATIENTS THAT SO NOW THEY CAN'T BREATHE.

THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING. SO NOW WE HAVE TO MANAGE THEIR AIRWAYS. WE HAVE TO DO MINOR SURGERY ON THEIR THROATS TO BE ABLE TO GET IN TO MANAGE THEIR TYPES OF AIRWAYS.

SO THESE ARE WHAT THESE FOLKS DO. YOU GUYS ARE AT A POINT WHERE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE CONSIDERING HERE.

AND THEN NOT ONLY THAT, BUT TO GIVE THAT SUPERVISION AND LINK OPERATIONS BACK TO ADMINISTRATION AND TRAINING.

SO YOU GUYS ARE AT A POINT WITH THE AMOUNT OF CALLS YOU'RE RUNNING THE SUPERVISION THAT'S NEEDED, YOU KNOW, ON THE STREET FOR THESE EMS OR THESE ALS PROVIDERS.

AND THEN WHAT ARE THE OTHER THINGS THAT THESE FOLKS CAN BRING TO YOUR CITIZENS THAT WE CAN'T DO RIGHT NOW, JUST RUNNING A FULL TRANSPORT UNIT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT WE WE DO RECOMMEND, AND I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THE CHIEFS LOOKING, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR BUDGET CYCLE WORKS, BUT I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION AND THEY'RE VERY WELL AWARE. THAT'S, I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE EITHER HAVE ASKED YOU ALL ABOUT OR THEY'RE SOCIALIZING WITH YOU OR I KNOW THAT THAT, THAT, THAT WILL BE COMING. BUT SO AGAIN, THEY NEED TO CONTINUE TO LEVERAGE ALL THESE VERY POSITIVE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING HERE IN THE CITY, THEIR QA PROGRAM, THEIR TRAINING AND EDUCATION PROGRAM.

THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY BASED ON YOUR YOUR DEMOGRAPHICS TO HAVE A PARAMEDICINE PROGRAM, A PEDIATRIC PROGRAM, WHICH THAT ISN'T JUST A FIRE BASED PROGRAM. IT'S USUALLY RUN OUT OF YOUR SOCIAL SERVICES OFFICE.

IT HAS LAW ENFORCEMENT, SOCIAL SERVICES, MENTAL HEALTH, FIRE RESCUE.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS IT, IT LOWERS THE AMOUNT OF CALLS THAT YOU'RE RUNNING THAT ARE UNNECESSARY.

SO YOU THINK ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT MAY NOT HAVE A.

LOT OF MONEY AND THEY THEY HAVE JUST RUN OUT OF OXYGEN FOR THEIR OXYGEN TANK BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A CAR TO GET TO A VENDOR.

WELL, WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY CALL 911. AND THEN NOW THAT UNITS OUT OF SERVICE JUST TO TRANSPORT THEM TO THE HOSPITAL JUST SO THEY CAN GET SOME OXYGEN.

WELL, THERE'S PROCESSES PARAMEDICS IN PLACE TO SAY THE DISPATCHERS WOULD PICK THAT UP AND GO, NOPE, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO DISPATCH THE PARAMEDIC TEAM.

SO NINE ONE ONE'S NOT EVEN IMPACTED. THE PARAMEDIC TEAM GOES OUT THERE AND HANDLES THIS FOR THEM.

SO IT IT STARTS TO DROP DOWN THESE LOWER ACUITY TYPE OF INCIDENTS SO THAT YOUR FOLKS CAN BE READY AND CAN RUN THESE HIGHER ACUITY TYPE INCIDENTS IN YOUR DISTRICT. IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK.

IT IS. AND IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S STOOD UP, IT CROSSES MANY OF YOUR AGENCIES IN YOUR GOVERNMENT.

AND IT TAKES A LOT OF COORDINATION AND WORK AND THERE ARE MODELS OUT THERE.

IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, THEN AGAIN, WE PUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE SUPERVISORS BASED ON WHAT WE TOLD YOU.

SO YOUR 911 CENTER INCREDIBLE PEOPLE. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, AS A CHIEF IN LOUDON TO OVERSEE THE 911 CENTER FOR SEVEN YEARS.

AND I LEARNED SO MUCH. THESE ARE YOUR FIRST FIRST RESPONDERS.

THESE ARE THESE PEOPLE ARE INCREDIBLE PEOPLE.

AND THEY DESERVE ALL THE KUDOS WE CAN GIVE THEM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE NOT SEEN, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU GUYS GO TO THE, THE 911 CENTER AND WALK IN THERE AND SEE THEM.

YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY PROBABLY WHO THEY ARE VERSUS THE FOLKS ON THE STREET.

SO THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY TAKING YOUR 911 CALLS, ALL YOUR ADMIN CALLS, ALL YOUR FIRE ALARM CALLS, ALL THE STUFF THAT'S COMING INTO THE CENTER. OKAY.

AND WE DID AN A WORKLOAD ASSESSMENT ON THE CENTER AND WE FOUND SOME THINGS.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE KNOW IS YOUR STAFFING OR YOUR IS FOR, WHICH IS A SUPERVISOR AND THREE TELECOMMUNICATORS, BUT YOU GUYS CAN GO DOWN TO TWO. OKAY. NOW REMEMBER THEY'RE DISPATCHING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT FIRE AND THEN A COUPLE OTHER AGENCIES.

AND THEY'RE TAKING ALL THE 911 CALLS AND THEY'RE TAKING ALL YOUR CALLS.

SO YOU CAN START SEEING HERE TWO PEOPLE. THAT'S KIND OF SCARY BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THE PRIORITY IN THE CENTER IS THE 911 CALL, RIGHT? AND THAT IS THEIR PRIORITY AS A PEACE APP IS THEY GOT THEIR ANSWERING THAT 911 CALL.

BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE MISS SOMETHING ON THE RADIO BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY STAFFING? HIS HIS STAFF JUST CALLED FOR A MAYDAY.

WELL, WE MISSED IT BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN THE CENTER AND ONE OF THEM'S ON THE PHONE AND THE OTHER ONE'S DOING A LAW ENFORCEMENT DISPATCH.

I GOT PEOPLE SCREAMING FOR MAYDAY BECAUSE I GOT FIREFIGHTERS DYING IN A FIRE, AND I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ANSWERING THAT THAT MAY DAY AND HANDLING THAT FOR THEM.

SO YOU GOTTA WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN WE LOOK AT WORKLOAD FOR THESE FOLKS.

SO WE WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION HERE FOR YOU.

SO, AND AGAIN, AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE FOLKS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT GO ON IN THE CENTER,

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SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT BASED ON THE WORKLOAD ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE GIVEN THEM, THEY SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT THEIR PROCESSES AND EVALUATE AND BUILD METRICS FOR THEM, BUILD SOME TYPE OF PERFORMANCE MEASUREMENTS FOR THEM SO THEY CAN REALLY LOOK AT WHAT DO THEY NEED, HOW MANY DO THEY NEED? WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING IN THE CENTER? WHAT'S THAT CALL TRUE CALL VOLUME? WHAT'S THAT FLOW LOOK LIKE? HOW DOES THE HOW DOES THE TECHNOLOGY INTEGRATE AND ASSIST OR HURT WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO? WE, WE OFFER CONSIDERING GO TO A MINIMUM OF THREE INSTEAD OF TWO JUST TO GIVE YOU THAT THIRD BODY.

AND THERE SHOULD ALWAYS BE A SUPERVISOR ON DUTY.

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE A CENTER WITH JUST TWO TELECOMMUNICATORS ON DUTY, WHETHER YOU HAVE ASSISTANT SUPERVISORS, A TRAINING OFFICER THAT YOU CALL A SUPERVISOR, WHATEVER YOU DO, WE SHOULD HAVE A SUPERVISOR ON DUTY ALL THE TIME.

AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT SURGE STAFFING WITH FOLKS.

AND THIS IS BASED WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT, WHAT'S CALLED TEMPORAL DATA.

SO THAT'S THINGS LIKE ONE OF YOUR WHAT DO THE CALLS LOOK LIKE SUNDAY THROUGH SUNDAY? WHAT MONTH GETS THE MOST CALLS? WHAT TIME OF DAY? THAT'S THE MOST TIME. SO SUNDAY THROUGH SUNDAY 9 TO 9 IS WHEN YOU GUYS ARE THERE.

THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE THEIR BUSIEST. SO WHAT WE WOULD OFFER IS BASED ON WHAT THEY SEE WITH THEIR METRICS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN PLACE, THEY MAY WANT TO LOOK AT A SURGE GROUP. SO HIRING, BRINGING BACK ONE FTE ON THE SHIFT, WHICH WOULD BE TWO TOTAL FOR A 12 HOUR SEARCH PERIOD TO HELP COVER THAT CALL VOLUME THAT'S COMING INTO THE CENTER.

REMEMBER, THAT'S JUST FIRE RESCUE. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEIR CALL VOLUME OR THEIR WORKLOAD LOOKS LIKE, WHICH WOULD BE PART OF WHAT THE CHIEF AND THEN WOULD NEED TO DO FOR THAT FOR THEIR METRICS.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. SO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HERE IS A LOT OF THE SAME RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO THIS WILL GO REALLY QUICK. OKAY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS WE LIKE TO SIT WITH THE ORGANIZATION AND SAY, HEY, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF HERE, BUT WHAT ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN PUT IN PLACE TO HELP YOU GUYS MEET SOME OBJECTIVES? WHAT ARE SOME PERFORMANCE OBJECTIVES WE CAN HELP YOU WITH TO HELP YOU GUYS FOCUS ON SOME OF THESE AREAS BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND FINDING.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE. SO AND WHEN YOU DO A STANDARDS OF COVER, YOU HAVE A SECTION AND IT'S THE LAST, BASICALLY THE LAST SECTION IN THE IN THE REPORT.

AND IT'S A SYNOPSIS OF EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE THAT WE'VE ASKED THESE FOLKS THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT MEASURABLE OBJECTIVES.

WE TALKED ABOUT TURNOUT TIME, RESPONSE TIME, CALL PROCESSING TIME YOU KNOW, LINING WITH ALIGNING WITH NFPA, ISO, WE LOOKED AT BUILDING A WORKFORCE METRIC OR A WORKLOAD METRIC IN COMMUNICATIONS CENTER.

AND THERE'S ALL OF THIS STUFF THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE LOOKED AT THE EFFECTIVE RESPONSE FORCE BASED ON CRITICAL TASKING.

SO EVERYTHING AT THIS POINT IS LIKE, HEY, WE'VE SHOWN YOU ALL THIS STUFF.

WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT. THESE ARE THE KEY OBSERVATIONS AND FINDINGS.

THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS. WHAT ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN DO TO HELP YOU? BECAUSE WHAT THIS CAN DO IS LIKE WHERE I WORK, WE USE PERFORM, WE USED PERFORMANCE MEASURES TO HELP, YOU KNOW INFORM THE BOARD BECAUSE WE HAD A BOARD ON OUR ITEMS. WE NEEDED OUR FTE. SO WHEN WE WENT TO OUR BUDGET, WE WERE BRINGING PERFORMANCE MEASURES TO HELP.

HEY, THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY WE NEED THE THINGS THAT WE NEED.

AND WE COULD SHOW THEM BASED ON THOSE PERFORMANCE MEASURES THAT WE WERE USING.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS IS DOING, IS LIKE JUST ALLOWING THE CHIEF AND HIS ORGANIZATION TO HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU ALL AS THE DECISION MAKERS AND THE POLICY MAKERS TO HELP YOU. SO YOU'RE MORE INFORMED, THEY'RE MORE INFORMED AS THEY'RE ADAPTING TO WHAT THEY'RE REALLY SEEING BASED ON THE METRICS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING OUT. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

SO I'M GOING TO, BUT SO HERE'S YOUR CALL PROCESSING.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S YOUR STANDARDS. YOU HAVE NFPA 1225.

THESE ARE YOUR THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND TO THEM.

YOUR 90TH AND YOUR 99 PERCENTILES HERE AND THEN YOUR CALL PROCESSING.

FOR 1710 TALKS ABOUT 60S 90% OF THE TIME 64 SECONDS, YOUR TRAVEL TIMES WE TALKED ABOUT, WE WANT TO TRY TO STAY WITHIN THOSE TWO MILES OF THE STATION, STAY AT THAT FOUR MINUTE OR THAT 242ND GETS YOU THERE.

AND THAT'S IMPORTANT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF, IF YOU THINK ABOUT A FIRE, THERE'S A PHENOMENON CALLED A FLASHOVER AND A FLASHOVER WE KNOW CAN HAPPEN WITHIN 90S OF IT BEING IGNITED. AND WHAT A FLASHOVER TELLS THEM AND THE FOLKS ON THE STREET IS THERE'S NO SURVIVABLE PERSON LIVING IN THAT COMPARTMENT SPACE. THE BUILDING IS NOW BEING ATTACKED, AND THREE IS IF THEY'RE IN THERE, THE CHANCES OF THEM DYING ARE VERY HIGH. THEIR GEAR IS NOT BUILT TO EVEN SUSTAIN THOSE HIGH TEMPERATURES.

YOU'RE TALKING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DEGREES.

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WHAT HAPPENS? SO WE WANT TO GET YOU THERE WITHIN THAT FOUR MINUTES SO WE CAN GET THAT OXYGEN BACK TO THE BRAIN.

SO ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE DRIVING ARE BASED ON THE SCIENCE THAT WE KNOW OF FIRE AND EMS AND ALL OF OUR FIRE BEHAVIOR, OUR BUILDING CONSTRUCTION, AND OUR EMS. SO THAT'S WHY ALL THIS STUFF EXISTS.

IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING WE SAY YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE IMPORTANT.

IT MAY NOT. THERE'S SCIENCE AND REALITY BEHIND WHY, WHY WE LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND WE WE ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THESE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO A LOT OF THIS IS SIMPLY JUST SETTING THESE THINGS IN PLACE, MAKING HIS ORGANIZATION AWARE OF IT, LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN DO YOU KNOW, USING OUR OFFICERS, USING OUR STAFF, USING GIS, USING POLICY.

EVERYTHING WE CAN DO USING ALL OF YOU INFORM YOU TO HELP THEM AS THEY GROW BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GROW, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE, THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A FIVE. AND IF YOU LOOK WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO PROBABLY ANNEX OR HAVE IN LINE, THERE'S PROBABLY MORE STATIONS AND WE'RE, WE WEREN'T ASKED TO CONTEMPLATE ANY OF THAT.

BUT WITH ALL OF THIS THAT THEY HAVE AND THE TALENT THEY HAVE, THEY CAN DO THE EXACT SAME THING HERE, THAT THEY'VE SEEN THIS AND THEY CAN DO THIS FOR YOU AND SET UP THEIR OWN BENCHMARKING AND SHOW THAT TO YOU.

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CONCEPT, WHICH IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY REAR ITS HEAD IN YOUR ORGANIZATION IN A YEAR OR SO.

IT'S CALLED MEDIC UNIT. OUR UTILIZATION AND ALL WE'RE DOING HERE IS THIS IS A MEASUREMENT OF HOW OFTEN YOUR UNIT IS AVAILABLE.

OR LET'S PUT IT ANOTHER WAY, NOT AVAILABLE. OKAY, SO THAT'S WE DID THIS STUDY FOR YOUR ORGANIZATION AND IN FIREBASE MS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE, YOU WANT YOUR NUMBER WANTS TO BE AT BELOW 0.30.

OKAY, SO YOU WANT TO BE BELOW 30. YOU WANT TO SAY 30% OF THE TIME OR LESS.

MY UNITS ARE ON CALLS OR 70% OF THE TIME THEY'RE AVAILABLE BECAUSE THAT'S THAT RELIABILITY AS YOUR SYSTEM IS, ALL THESE UNITS ARE RUNNING CALLS ACROSS THE SYSTEM.

SO WE DID THIS AND I'M GOING TO YOU GUYS WERE AT 0.21 AND 0.23 FOR MEDIC, ONE FOR ONE AND MEDIC ONE FOR THREE.

SO YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE. SO WHAT WE RECOMMENDED WAS, HEY, IF YOU GET UP INTO THE 0.3 FOR LET'S SAY 90 DAYS, CHIEF, SIT DOWN WITH THE FOLKS AND MAYBE CONSIDER STARTING TO THINK ABOUT A SURGE UNIT HERE TO COVER ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS, OR IT'LL EVEN HELP COVER THE CITY TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THAT UTILIZATION.

BECAUSE YOU GOT TO REMEMBER YOUR UNITS IN FIRE BASED EMS IN HERE, THEIR FIREFIGHTERS TOO.

SO THEY'LL RUN A FIRE CALL. SO THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE ON A FIRE.

RIGHT. SO NOW THEY'RE TAKING THEY'RE NOT JUST RUNNING EMS CALLS.

SO WE HAVE THAT'S WHY THAT NUMBER SITS WHERE IT SITS.

AND SO STAFFING. SO KEEP ALL FOUR ON YOUR QUINTS.

THAT HELPS YOUR ERF. YOU KNOW, YOUR HIGH SPECIAL RISK RESPONSE.

THESE ARE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WHICH NEED 27 TO 40 SOME PEOPLE ON AN INCIDENT.

YOU KNOW, THERE IS TALK, HOW ARE WE GOING TO UPDATE OUR FIRST ALARM TO GET THE BODIES THERE, WHICH THEY HAVE DONE THAT. AND THEN PLAN FOR STATION FIVE AND AT THAT STATION WE'RE RECOMMENDING A QUANT A FOUR AND A MEDIC OF TWO AT THAT STATION. SO YOUR CR THIS IS WINDING IT DOWN. AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE PROACTIVE PART OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

RIGHT. SO AND THEY CAN'T KEEP UP, WHICH WILL BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU.

AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT TRYING. THERE'S JUST SO MUCH WORK TO DO WITH ALL OF THE INSPECTIONS AND THE REQUIREMENTS, FROM PLAN REVIEW TO PUBLIC EDUCATION, TO FIRE INSPECTION TO FIRE INVESTIGATION, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA THAT WE PUT IN THE REPORT.

SO THESE FOLKS AND THERE'S THE REQUIREMENTS BY NFPA 1730 YOU KNOW, ANNUALLY HIGH HAZARDS, MODERATE. AND THESE ARE ALL DEFINED FOR YOU IN THE DOCUMENT.

SO WE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, BUT WHAT WE SAY IS, YOU KNOW, CHIEF, WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT EXPANDING, YOU KNOW, PUT SOME PERFORMANCE MEASURES IN SO WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND NOT DOING. AND REALLY, WHY AREN'T WE GETTING THESE THINGS DONE SO THEY CAN INFORM YOU GUYS YOU KNOW, DOWN THE ROAD.

AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH THE ISO, WE WENT THROUGH YOUR EMS AND ESPECIALLY HIRING THAT THIRD AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE. I KNOW THE REPORTS A LOT MORE COMPREHENSIVE AS YOU GUYS TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT.

BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE TRUST THAT YOU PUT IN US AS CP, SM AND MOST IMPORTANTLY TO THE CHIEF AND HIS ORGANIZATION FOR THE TRUST THAT HE PUT IN, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T NEED TO DO THIS.

THEY'RE A VERY FINE ORGANIZATION AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS IN PLACE.

BUT HE JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WERE SOME AREAS THAT THEY WERE MISSING.

AND COULD WE HELP HIM FIGURE THAT OUT. SO THANK YOU, CHIEF, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL THE HELP THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US.

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I APPRECIATE THE ALL THE INFORMATION. YES, SIR.

HE'S TELLING ME TO SIT DOWN. WE'RE JUST GOING TO WALK YOU OUT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU.

YES. THANK YOU. YOU NEED ANYTHING, YOU KNOW. OKAY.

THANKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? FOR ME ON THE ON THE REPORT. LIKE I TOLD Y'ALL WHEN WE DID OUR PRESENTATION.

NOTHING IN THERE THAT WE WERE SURPRISED ABOUT.

AND WE WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN SEVERAL STEPS AS THEY'VE POINTED THEM OUT.

WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO BALANCE ALL OF THOSE OTHER PEOPLE DON'T COME FROM OUR CITY.

WHEN WE HAVE ANOTHER FIRE, THEY HAVE TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SO WE DEPEND A LOT ON OUR DISPATCH CENTER AND GETTING GOOD, ACCURATE INFORMATION.

AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S ALWAYS KIND OF DRIVEN THAT. SO SO ARE WE DONE WITH WORK SESSION THREE THEN? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO I'LL END WORK SESSION THREE.

COUNCIL ARE WE GOOD TO MOVE TO TWO OR DOES ANYONE NEED TO STEP OUT FOR A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. MR. PARKER SAYS HE NEEDS A QUICK SECOND.

GO! WAIT. GO. THAT'S UP TO YOU, SIR. IF YOU'RE PRESENTING, GO AHEAD.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK. THANKS, MAYOR. HOLD ON.

LET ME LET ME OFFICIALLY READ THIS IN. SO WE'LL MOVE TO WORK SESSION TWO, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES FOR CONSIDERATION IN UPCOMING BOND

[WS2. Discuss Potential Public Safety Facilities for Consideration in Upcoming Bond Election.]

I BELIEVE YOU REQUESTED THIS OPTION TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD.

IT'S VERY SHORT. IT'S A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, BUT WE'VE JUST PACKAGED IT UP DIFFERENTLY.

SO WHAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COVERED VERY CLEARLY WAS PUTTING FIRE ADMIN OVER AT FIRE STATION TWO WHICH WAS THE REQUEST.

AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S HOW IT WOULD LOOK. IF WE USE THAT SAME LAYOUT AS WE'RE USING TODAY THE NEW FIRE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING WOULD BE AT THE BACK.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE CHALLENGES OF THE LOT, SO WE'RE NOT FOCUSING ON ANY OF THAT TONIGHT.

WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO IF WE, IF WE WERE TO DO THAT REMODEL FIRE STATION ONE AND TWO AND CONSTRUCT FIRE ADMIN BEHIND STATION TWO MAYOR, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT, WHAT YOU WANTED THE NUMBERS ON DRAINING AND DETENTION FOR THAT SITE.

WE, WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS IMPROVING THE FRONT FOUR ACRES.

SO GETTING THE WATER TO THE, TO THE BACK THREE ACRES AND ADDRESSING THAT APPROPRIATELY.

OBVIOUSLY, IF WE'RE GOING TO REMODEL BOTH OF THOSE FIRE STATIONS, WE WOULDN'T DO THEM AT THE SAME TIME. IT'D BE PHASED.

BUT TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR FIRE STATION ONE AND TWO HAS GOT TO HAPPEN SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY AND THE GENERAL VICINITY OF THAT FIRE STATION WHATEVER THAT LOOKED LIKE.

WE HAVE SOME IDEAS FOR THAT. AND THEN THEN IT'S THE SAME AS WE'VE DONE BEFORE.

FIRE ADMINISTRATION FIRE STATION ONE REMODEL, FIRE STATION TWO REMODEL.

AND THEN ONE THING THAT, THAT WE'VE, WE'VE BEGUN TO TALK ABOUT AS WE'VE DONE THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS IN THESE PRESENTATIONS IS $2.5 MILLION FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PUBLIC SAFETY REMODEL, WHICH IS A MILLION FOR PARKING AND A MILLION AND A HALF TO, TO REDO THE INSIDE OF THAT BUILDING TO MEET THEIR NEEDS MORE APPROPRIATELY.

SO THAT'S HOW THAT'S, THAT'S THE OPTION. THE ONLY OTHER OPTION I HAVE TONIGHT THIS CAME UP IN THE BOND COMMITTEE DISCUSSION.

THEY WERE PRETTY CLEAR THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO USE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO USE THIS LAND OVER, OVER HERE ON BROWN STREET, WHICH YOU ALL HAVE BROUGHT UP AS WELL. SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT COULD A COMPLETE REDEVELOPMENT OF, OF STATION TWO PROPERTY LOOK LIKE? AND SO WE USING AI HAVE BEEN ABLE TO KIND OF PUT THIS TOGETHER AS CLOSE TO SCALE AS WE CAN GET IT. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE 100% BECAUSE IT WASN'T DONE BY AN ARCHITECT OR AN ENGINEER, BUT WE PUT ALL THE PARAMETERS IN AND STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE NOW A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX AND OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE, BECAUSE WE FIRST GOT TO CLEAR THAT LOT AND REDO THE GRADING, WHICH HELPS TREMENDOUSLY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PLACE STUFF ON THE FRONT OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, OR PROBABLY MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN OVER THERE, MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, BUT FIRE STATION TWO IS ELEVATED MORE THAN THE REST OF THE LOT, BECAUSE THE ROAD USED TO BE A LOT HIGHER THAN IT IS TODAY.

BECAUSE IT WAS IT WAS JUST DITCHES. AND SO AS IT WAS, THE DITCHES WERE REMOVED AND THE ROAD WAS LOWERED.

THERE'S A PRETTY BIG GRADE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FIRE STATION AND COUNTRY CLUB AS IT STANDS TODAY.

SO SAME THING. FIRE STATION TWO DEMOLITION DRAINAGE OF THE SITE.

WE PUSHED THAT A LITTLE FURTHER BACK IN THIS ONE.

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AND THEN IT MOVES EVERYTHING OVER THERE, AS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, AND INCLUDES THE 2.5 MILLION FOR PD REMODEL.

SO THIS WAS, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE BOND COMMITTEE ASK US THIS AS WE WERE WORKING THROUGH OUR, OUR PRESENTATION AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE EXACT PROCESS, BUT WE WANTED TO PUT THAT ON HERE TONIGHT.

BECAUSE THEY, THIS WAS ONE THING THAT THEY. THEY BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION AND ACTUALLY BROUGHT US SOME SAMPLES.

ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRODUCED A KIND OF A SITE PLAN FOR US.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. THERE'S, THEY'RE ALL THE, WE'VE SUMMARIZED THIS A LOT MORE THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS BUILT IN THERE, LIKE FLEET TRAINING, EXPANDING THE TRAINING FIELD, GOING TO THE CLASS B FUELS.

THEY'RE ALL IN THOSE LINE ITEMS THERE, BUT WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP IT AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TONIGHT. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR, OR REPACKAGE THOSE THINGS IN ANY PARTICULAR WAY THAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM OR, OR PROVIDE ANY DETAILS. SO CAN I GET YOU TO GO BACK TO, I THINK IT'S THE THIRD SLIDE OF THE PRESENTATION.

IT'S THE ONE THAT HAS THE REMODEL WITH THE FIRE ADMIN BEHIND THIS ONE.

YES, SIR. YES, SIR. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE COSTS ON THIS.

SO WHEN IT SAYS FIRE STATION ONE REMODEL, 6440FT².

THAT'S THE CURRENT. THAT'S THE CURRENT FIRE STATION.

SO I'LL GO I'LL GO THROUGH STATION ONE. KIND OF.

EXACTLY. CURRENTLY, OUR CURRENT BAYS ARE 43 BY 15 AND 38 BY 15.

SO THAT'S ADDING 255 BY 20 FOOT BASE, WHICH THAT'S THAT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION ATTACHED TO THE CURRENT FIRE STATION.

AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE THE CURRENT TWO BAYS AND MAKE THEM LIVING QUARTERS TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE BEDROOMS, TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE BATHROOMS AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE MENTIONED AS PROBLEMS. SO WHEN WE SAY 6440, THAT'S THE AREA THAT WE WOULD BE REMODELING, AND THEN WE WOULD ADD THE BAYS ON TOP OF THAT.

BUT IT'S ALL INCLUDED IN THAT PRICE. AND IT'S THE SAME THING WITH TWO.

I ASSUME THERE'S AN ADD ON. TWO. WE'RE ADDING ABOUT 7000FT² OF BAY SPACE.

SO IN 19 WE WE HAD THIS PLAN DRAWN UP. SO WE'VE JUST STUCK WITH THAT SAME THAT SAME PLAN, WHICH PUTS ALL THREE BAYS BEHIND THE FIRE STATION AT AN ANGLE.

AND THEN WE BASICALLY TAKE THE CURRENT LIVING QUARTERS AND THE CURRENT BASE SPACE AND COMPLETELY REMODEL IT INTO, INTO LIVING QUARTERS. NOW, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT QUESTION I'M GOING TO HAVE THEN IS THE COST.

COST? RIGHT. BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT, I'M LOOKING AT THE COST.

AND WE'RE DOING NEW SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE BAYS.

SO WE USED THE SAME. OH I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD.

OH I WAS GOING TO SAY WE'VE USED THE SAME NUMBERS AS WE'VE USED BEFORE. AROUND 1050 A FOOT.

WE USED $406 PER SQUARE FOOT FOR, FOR THE REMODEL.

AND BASICALLY WE JUST TOOK THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AND WHAT WAS LEFT OF THE PROJECT.

WE, THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS IN THAT COST. IF YOU JUST DIVIDE THAT BY 1050, IT'S NOT GOING TO COME OUT TO THAT BECAUSE UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS.

WE AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, ALL THE SEWER CURRENTLY GOES TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY WITH A GRINDER PUMP.

WE WOULD LIKE TO ATTACH UP TO THE CITY SEWER ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, IF IT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE.

THERE'S NATURAL GAS AVAILABLE TO THAT SITE NOW.

THERE'S POWER LINES ACROSS THE FRONT OF THAT SITE THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO BURY IF WE WERE GOING TO REDEVELOP OR EXPAND THAT FIRE STATION AND MAKE IT A PERMANENT FIX.

I THINK THOSE THINGS WOULD BE IMPORTANT. SO WE'VE, WE'VE PUT ALLOWANCES IN THERE FOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS AS WELL.

SO AND THEN THE ONLY REAL, I THINK ONE THING I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF IS, IS FIRE STATION.

ONE REALLY NEEDS TO BE IN CONJUNCTION OR PLANNED WITH FIRE STATION FIVE.

IF WE'RE EVER GOING TO TRY TO MOVE IT A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH OR BUILD WHEN, WHEN IT COMES TIME AND IT IS NOT TIME RIGHT NOW TO BUILD A NEW FIRE STATION.

BUT WHEN THAT WHEN WE WHEN WE ALL DECIDE IT'S TIME TO DO THAT.

AND CAN FUND IT, THEN I THINK IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW THAT THOSE TWO THINGS HAPPEN TOGETHER, OR RELATIVELY AT THE SAME TIME, AT LEAST PLANNED TOGETHER.

I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, MY CONCERN THERE IS IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING WITH FIRE STATION ONE, I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED BOND THAT THEY PUT FORWARD IS RAISING THE TAXES RIGHT BEYOND WHAT DROPS OFF.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL BE THE APPETITE OF MY COLLEAGUES, AND I REALLY DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE APPETITE OF THE CITIZENS. ABSOLUTELY.

WE'RE ALSO I KNOW WE'RE NOT ON THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE IN A BUDGET POSITION WHERE 3.5% HAS TO INCLUDE EVERYTHING.

RIGHT. AT THE SAME TIME, MR. PARKER'S POINTED OUT, AND I THINK EVERY NEWS STATION HAS THERE'S A DESIRE FROM THE STATE TO TO

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SO I GUESS I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE IF WE WAIT ON FIRE STATION ONE TO DO ANYTHING UNTIL WE BUILD FIRE STATION FIVE, WE MAY ALL BE DEAD AND BURIED BY THAT POINT. SURE.

BECAUSE AND I DON'T MEAN IT BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED IT OR IT WOULDN'T BE HELPFUL.

BUT FROM A REALISTIC STANDPOINT OF STANDING UP, THE NUMBER OF STAFF, THE APPARATUS, THE COST OF BUILDING TWO MORE STATIONS, ETC.. I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 20 YEARS OF BONDS ON THESE.

PLUS THE OTHER BONDS ARE ALL SIX YEARS OR LESS.

I MEAN, THERE'S PROBABLY MELISSA'S SOMEWHERE IN HERE, PROBABLY.

I'M PROBABLY WRONG ON A DATE HERE OR THERE, BUT I MEAN, THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING BONDS ARE OUT THERE.

FIRE STATION FOUR IS OUT THERE. AND THEN ANYTHING FROM THIS IS OUT THERE, PLUS THE ROADWAY BONDS THAT WE DID AS WELL.

SO NONE OF THAT'S REAL. I GUESS NONE OF THAT'S ROLLING OFF IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS, MAYBE 15 PLUS YEARS.

AND SO MY CONCERN IS FINDING US IF WE HAVE FIRE STATION ONE IN THE CURRENT STATE IT'S IN NOW AND IT GOES ANOTHER 15 OR 20 YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE PRESSURES. AND WILL THAT BUILDING BE ABLE TO TAKE ANOTHER 15 OR 20 YEARS OF, I'M GOING TO CALL IT KINDHEARTED PATCHING AND UPDATES TO MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL.

WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON THAT AND, YOU KNOW, FROM A FROM A STANDPOINT OF DOLLARS, I UNDERSTAND THE OTHER THINGS ON FIRE STATION TWO, BUT IN 2019, IT WAS 3.5 MILLION. I KNOW THE COSTS ARE NOT THE SAME NOW.

SURE. BUT LET'S SAY I DOUBLE THAT. THAT'S SEVEN, SEVEN AND SEVEN.

THAT'S THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. AND THE FIRE ADMIN BUILDING IS, IS $1,500 A SQUARE FEET OR SQUARE FOOT.

THAT'S MORE THAN A NEW FIRE STATION, RIGHT. WHICH SEEMS EXCEPTIONALLY HIGH TO PUT THAT IN.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION.

AND WE NEED TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AT PUBLIC SAFETY.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO THINK AROUND FIRE STATION ONE, WHERE THE LAND IS LEVEL, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, $1,500 OVER 1500 SQUARE FOOT FOR THAT BUILDING.

I JUST DON'T WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO, TO GET AS GET WHAT WE CAN AND PUT IT IN FRONT.

THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I GET THE HEARTBURN ON THOSE.

IT'D BE A LOT EASIER FOR ME IF THAT NUMBER WAS MORE IN LINE WITH, WITH WHAT I SEE OF BUILDING.

EVEN A FIRE STATION WOULD BE A THIRD LESS THAN THAT PER SQUARE FOOT AND OR CLOSE TO IT.

$400 A SQUARE FOOT. FOR ME THAT THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERNS COME IN WITH THE NUMBERS HERE, BECAUSE IF I COULD DO WHAT I WOULD WANT TO TRY TO DO ONE AND TWO IN THAT $7 MILLION RANGE.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S UPS AND DOWNS, WHATEVER, AND EVERYTHING IS ADJUSTED DEPENDING ON WHEN WE DO IT.

I KNOW WE HAVE TO DO THE HOUSING AND OTHER THINGS, BUT AS FAR AS THEIR, THEIR, THEIR COST, I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO BE MORE IN THAT RANGE ON THOSE AND THEN FIND A WAY TO ECONOMICALLY DO THE FIRE ADMIN.

BECAUSE THOSE I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'M LOOKING AT HONESTLY.

AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, REMODELS ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S, FRANKLY, A WILL TO MOVE AND BUILD A NEW STATION AT THIS TIME. AND I DON'T THINK THE BOND COMMITTEE FELT THAT WAY EITHER.

I THINK THE FIRE ADMIN MOVING OUT IS NEEDED NOT JUST FOR Y'ALL, BUT FOR PD FROM A, FROM A PURE SPACE PERSPECTIVE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, THERE WERE A BUNCH OF RECOMMENDATIONS, AND I KNOW WE'RE ONLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT A LOT OF THOSE POSITIONS ARE GOING TO NEED SPACE AS WELL. AND, AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IF I THE TOP THING FOR ME IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR EVERYBODY TO GET TO, TO WORK, TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT YOU GUYS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I REALLY THINK WE COULD FIND A WAY TO PUT THAT BUILDING.

MAYBE IT'S NOT ON ON TWO, MAYBE IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT FIND A PLACE THAT WE CAN PUT THAT BUILDING AND PUT IT IN AT AN AFFORDABLE COST THAT WORKS FOR WHAT IT IS FOR BEING FIRE ADMIN. IT'S A NICE BUILDING, BUT ULTIMATELY IT SHOULDN'T BE.

IN MY OPINION, 1500 A FOOT CAN I, CAN I ADDRESS THAT? SO SO AS I SAID A MINUTE AGO, WE'VE WRAPPED A BUNCH OF STUFF IN AS A SUMMARY.

SO IN THAT FIRE ADMIN COST, WE'VE ALSO GOT MOVING, RELOCATING THE TRAINING CENTER TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.

WE'VE GOT ADDING THE CLASS B STUFF. WE'VE WRAPPED ALL THAT INTO THE PRICE OF THAT.

AND THAT'S WHY I SAID A MINUTE AGO, IF YOU TAKE THAT AND DIVIDE IT BY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT IS NOT GOING TO COME OUT AT 1050 OR 1000 LIKE WE'VE BEEN USING THIS ENTIRE TIME.

WE WERE TRYING TO SUMMARIZE IT DOWN TO A PRETTY SHORT AND SWEET PRESENTATION THAT THAT HAD A FEW LINE ITEMS AND TALKED THROUGH THOSE THINGS.

BUT THERE'S, THERE'S THE EXPANSION OF THE FLEET BUILDING IN THAT.

SO I MEAN, THE FIRE ADMINS, 9 MILLION THAT IT'S OR, OR NINE, NINE ONE, WHICH IS WHAT THE COST WAS BEFORE WHICH AGAIN,

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SO THIS ONE CONTAINS THE 911 INSIDE OF IT. NO, THE EOC, JUST THE EOC.

SO SO WE'RE. SO WHAT IF WE AREN'T MOVING THE EOC THEN? WELL, IT'S UNDER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. SO DAILY OPERATION OF IT IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT.

IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES THEIR EXPANSION, THEY'RE GOING TO PUSH THEIR LOCKER ROOM INTO THEIR ONLY OTHER PATROL BRIEFING ROOM.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S THREE CONFERENCE ROOMS IN THAT BUILDING. ONE OF THOSE WOULD GO AWAY. AND SO I'M SURE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE GOING TO HAVE NEEDS WITH THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING. SO THAT WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF THOUGHT ALL THAT THROUGH AS TO THIS DOES NOT HAVE THE 911 CENTER IN IT.

THE OTHER ONE DOES, BUT THIS ONE DOES NOT. THEY GOT TO DRAG IT ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM, BUT THIS ONE DOES NOT.

THE PRICES TO ADDRESS THAT AGAIN, THAT'S THE SQUARE FOOT PRICE THAT WE'VE BEEN USING THIS ENTIRE THROUGH ALL THESE PRESENTATIONS.

WE'VE, WE'VE CONDENSED SOME OF THOSE THINGS DOWN.

NO. AND I, AND I SEE IT HERE WITH THE, WITH THE 911 COMMUNICATIONS, BUT THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS WHERE MY CONCERN IS.

AND SO. I GUESS MAYBE I NEED A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF EXACTLY WHAT PORTION OF THE CURRENT BUILDING IS HARDENED OVER AT WHERE IT CURRENTLY SITS. CURRENTLY.

THE EOC IS NOT HARDENED THAT THAT WAS ENGINEERED OUT.

IT IS ONLY THE IT IS ONLY THE AREA NEXT TO DISPATCH THAT IS A BREAK ROOM BATHROOM AND THE COMMUNICATION MANAGER OFFICE.

BUT IF WE WERE GOING TO BUILD A NEW EOC, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT WE BUILD THAT AND NOT HARDEN IT.

IT WAS DONE OUT OF A NECESSITY. LAST TIME WHEN WE DID IT BEFORE.

BUT BUT AGAIN WE WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. THAT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE PORTION OF THAT BUILDING.

BUT BUT IT'S ALSO NOT THE ENTIRE BUILDING. WELL I'VE GOT COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE WAITED TO WEIGH IN, SO I'M GOING TO LET THEM SPEAK. MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU MAYOR.

SO I'VE BEEN THINKING LONG AND HARD ABOUT THIS, AND I THINK MR. PARKER AND I HAD A CONVERSATION LAST WEEK, ONE ON ONE, ABOUT IT.

IF CAN SOMEBODY PULL UP THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, THE GOOGLE PART OF IT? THE WHAT? JUST A MAP ON A MAP. YEAH. JUST PULL IT UP FROM A PICTURE STANDPOINT WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE.

IF I CAN GET TO.

SO. OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE HELP THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? HOW DO WE HELP THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? ON BOTH SIDES, IN ORDER FOR IT TO CREATE ENOUGH SPACE FOR BOTH TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR THE OFFICE SPACE, ENOUGH SPACE FOR OTHER THINGS AS WELL? SURE. AND I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT FIRE BUILDING, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT EOC AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS.

SO TO MOVE THOSE THINGS IS GOING TO COST US SOMEWHERE IN ABOUT 25 TO $30 MILLION IF WE BUILD A NEW EOC CENTER, IF WE'RE GRADING, IF WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT, AND I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT FROM, OBVIOUSLY, YOU ALL KNOW THAT MY STORY IS THERE.

I LOOK AT THAT WINDOW AND I'M LOOKING AT OVER IT.

INSTEAD OF BUILDING NEW PARKING LOTS, BUILDING NEW BUILDINGS, BUILDING EVERYTHING ELSE IN FRONT OF THE COURT ON THAT SQUARE SQUARE AREA IN FRONT OF THE COURT. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIT ABOUT 6000 SQUARE FOOT OF BUILDING RIGHT ON THAT FRONT AS YOU ENTER ON THE FRONT.

DOWN HERE. OKAY. NOT NOT DOWN THERE. YEAH. THAT'S WHERE YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT.

NO, RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THERE. OKAY.

YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIT ABOUT 6000 SQUARE FOOT OF BUILDING.

SO ONE OF TWO THINGS CAN HAPPEN IF WE DO 6000 SQUARE FOOT OF BUILDING, GIVE OR TAKE ABOUT 6000 SQUARE FOOT OF BUILDING.

AT $800 A FOOT, IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT $5 MILLION WORTH OF BUILDING TO FIX WHATEVER WE HAVE INSIDE IN TERMS OF BREAKING WALLS AND WHATNOT. LET'S PUT ANOTHER 2 MILLION.

IT'S GOING TO DO ABOUT 7 MILLION. ADD ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS FOR PARKING IS GOING TO BE 8 MILLION.

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I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THE 46 MILLION.

YOU KNOW, I IF WE HAD THE MECHANISM TO DO IT WITHOUT AFFECTING ALL THE NUANCES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW GOING ON WITH BUILDING A NEW ANIMAL SHELTER, BUILDING A NEW PUBLIC PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING THAT WE HAVE A DIRE NEED FOR.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY, IF WE HAVE THE NUANCES TO DO IT, BE ABLE TO DO IT.

BUT I FEEL LIKE OUR, OUR TEAMS ARE NOT GOING TO GET ANY BIGGER THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

MAYBE ONE OR 2 OR 3 PERSONNEL MAX, BECAUSE WE'RE MAXED ALREADY.

WE'RE CAPACITY IS MAXED ALREADY IN TERMS OF THE GROWTH OF BOTH DEPARTMENTS.

MAYBE MS CAN GROW A LITTLE BIT. I'M NOT SO SURE.

AND YOU CAN TELL US THE OTHER WAY, BUT 500 ZERO SQUARE FOOT BUILDING GIVES YOU ABOUT 20 TO 25 OFFICES.

IF YOU DO 200 SQUARE FOOT OFFICES, AND THAT'S A DECENT SIZED OFFICE BIGGER THAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE ALMOST A BEDROOM, A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN A BEDROOM.

RIGHT. BUT LET'S SAY YOU DON'T NEED 25 OFFICES.

YOU NEED 20 OFFICES. IT GIVES YOU STORAGE SPACE, IT GIVES YOU AREAS.

NOW WE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE THE EOC. WE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE 911.

WE KEEP EVERYTHING IN THERE PERSONNEL WISE, THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, APPARATUS OR ANYTHING ELSE. THAT'S PURELY FOR THE SPECTRUM OF HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE MORE OFFICES, MORE SPACE FOR EVERYBODY TO BE IN ONE. AND I FEEL LIKE WITH THAT TYPE OF STRUCTURE, WITH THAT TYPE OF PARKING, WITH THAT TYPE OF WAY WHERE IT IS, IT GIVES US THE BEST ABILITY TO ACHIEVE A GOAL THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE NEEDED TO EXPAND FOR THE NEXT 20 TO 20 5 OR 30 YEARS. NOW THERE'S GOING TO BE REMODELS THROUGH IT.

BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THAT IS THE LONG TERM SOLUTION FOR PERSONNEL AND PERSONNEL ONLY.

HOW MUCH WE WANT TO DO IN TERMS OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO IN TERMS OF RENOVATIONS AND WHATNOT.

I THINK IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING. BUT WE TAKE A $25 MILLION BILL CLOSE TO 30 IF WE DO RENOVATIONS FOR OTHER THINGS AND PUT IT INTO A $8 MILLION, GIVE OR TAKE. WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT I'VE BEEN THINKING.

YOU TELL ME OTHERWISE. NO, NO. SO? SO WE WORKED ON SOME OF THAT.

MR. PARKER TOLD ME. I'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THAT.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE SPECIFICS OF IT.

I WOULD BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL WITH THE SQUARE FOOT PRICE.

BECAUSE FROM A CONSTRUCTION PRICE. FROM A CONSTRUCTION COST, PROBABLY SO, BUT WE'VE GOT TO ADD ENGINEERING.

WE'VE GOT TO ADD ARCHITECT, WE'VE GOT TO ADD F-F-A, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE CONTINGENCIES AND WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME ESCALATION BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING THESE PROJECTS TOMORROW. CURRENT PRICE FOR A FIRE STATION CONSTRUCTION ONLY IS 800.

WHICH IS WHY WE'VE BEEN USING THE 1000, THE PERCENTAGES.

BUT DEFINITELY COURTS WOULD BE CHEAPER. BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT COURT.

THE COURT IN PARTICULAR, THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN 6561FT².

RIGHT. FROM TALKING TO THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR, THEY WOULD PROBABLY NEED 7500.

AND HERE'S WHY. THAT'S A ROUND NUMBER. IT MIGHT BE 73 WHATEVER.

BUT THEY CURRENTLY SHARE A BREAK ROOM WITH, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO WE JUST TOOK THE BREAK ROOM IN DISPATCH AND THAT'S 650FT².

THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CONVERT THE COURTROOM INTO A CLASSROOM AT 250FT, BECAUSE CURRENTLY THEY USE THE EOC BECAUSE WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME BUILDING.

THAT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENLARGE.

I, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR PD'S USE OF IT.

CHIEF HENDERSON MAY HAVE SOME INPUT ON THAT, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW US TO POTENTIALLY ENLARGE THE SECURED PARKING AREA AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING ON THIS. MAYBE ON THIS WEST SIDE OVER HERE.

CORRECT. WHICH, WHICH IS WHICH IS A NEED. IT KEEPS US ALL TOGETHER, WHICH IS, WHICH IS NICE.

THE, THE RE THE REMODEL COST MAY INCREASE SLIGHTLY OF THE COURTROOM BECAUSE THAT THE, THE, THE ELEVATED AREAS IN THAT AREA IS POURED IN PLACE.

CONCRETE, THEY'RE NOT BUILT. WOOD. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME DEMO THERE.

AGAIN, A SLIGHT INCREASE. WE WERE JUST TRYING TO ADDRESS ALL THE THINGS. ADDITIONAL PUBLIC PARKING WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.

THAT BUILDING WOULD PROBABLY, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. IT WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE BOTH A GENERATOR AND A STORM SHELTER ACCORDING TO CODE.

BUT IT'S ONLY FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THAT BUILDING.

AND OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL HAS SOME INPUT THERE.

AND THEN WE'VE ALREADY GOT SOME MONEY BUILT INTO THIS FOR, FOR THE PARKING AND STUFF INTO ANY OF THESE OPTIONS THAT, THAT Y'ALL GIVE US DIRECTION ON. THERE'S ALREADY A, YOU KNOW, $1 MILLION BUILT INTO THAT FOR PARKING.

BUT THE SQUARE FOOT REMODEL COST AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ONLY RIGHT NOW ABOUT $168 A FOOT.

THAT'S A NEWER BUILDING. SO IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ON THE CHEAPER END, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT 168.

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BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S ACHIEVING A GOAL OF HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE EVERYBODY IN THE SAME BUILDING SETTING.

WE TALKED, I THINK CONGRESS COUNCILMAN STRING AND I TALKED ABOUT FIXING A NEED RIGHT NOW, PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.

AND I DO BELIEVE THAT FROM PERSONNEL STANDPOINT, ADMINISTRATIVE PERSONNEL STANDPOINT, THAT FIXES AN ISSUE THAT IT WILL NOT SHOULDN'T COME UP BECAUSE OF OUR GROWTH. AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BOTH CHIEF HENDERSON AND YOU AND BRANT PERSONNEL, IT WILL FIX THE ISSUE FOR THE NEXT 20, 25, 30 YEARS, UNLESS WE ANNEX OTHER CITIES AROUND THAT, I DON'T KNOW. HOPEFULLY I'M NOT SITTING ON THIS SEAT AT THAT TIME, BUT IT WOULD FIX THE ISSUE FOR A LONG TIME AND IT WOULD REPLACE AT THE CURRENT STAGE. IT WOULD ALLOW US TO MOVE ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE COMING UP FRONT, AND IT WILL KEEP EVERYBODY TOGETHER. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE BIG CHANGES WHERE WE'RE MOVING NINE ONE, ONE, WE'RE MOVING THINGS LIKE THAT. IT ALLOWS THE JAIL IS THERE.

WE JUST BUILD THE JAIL. WE JUST REDID THAT BUILDING 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO, SIX YEARS AGO, WHATEVER IT IS OR NO, IT'S 2016 FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS NOW. SO HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE EVERYBODY THERE, I THINK IT'S A BIGGER IT SENDS A BIGGER MESSAGE AS FAR AS JUST COORDINATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, HAVING THE ABILITY TO DO TRAININGS SOMETIMES TOGETHER AND ALL THAT.

I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A MUCH EASIER FIX. AND WE HAVE THE LAND, WE HAVE THE GRADING, WE HAVE ALL THAT.

THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS. AND OBVIOUSLY WE GOT SEVEN OF US HERE.

SO IF THEY FEEL DIFFERENT. BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT WILL FIX OUR ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES.

NOW HOW DO WE WANT TO HANDLE FIRE STATION ONE AND FIRE STATION TWO? I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS IT AND WHERE WE GO WITH IT, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THIS WILL FIX A NEED.

AND WE'RE PROBABLY WITH, I DON'T KNOW, FIXING SOME RENOVATIONS THAT I DON'T HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF ME NOW OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN BUILDING SOMETHING ELSE ON FIRE.

STATION TWO ALLOWS FOR MORE LAND TO BE USED DOWN THE ROAD FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

SO THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT. I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY I KNOW, I JUST THREW IT ON EVERYBODY, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK THAT WE CONSIDER AND WE CAN WORK WITH CHIEF HENDERSON ON THIS AS WELL.

BUT WE WE ARE SHORT SOME OFFICES RIGHT NOW AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT SOMEHOW IF WE STAY AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY.

NOW, IF IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TAKES THE COURTS AND THEY CAN MOVE OVER THERE, BUT EITHER EITHER THROUGH SOME SOME REMODEL OF SOME SPACE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE INCLUDED. OR WE PRESENTED ONE OPTION WHERE WE HAD ONE SMALL LITTLE ADD ON ON THE EAST SIDE THAT THAT WAS LIKE 2000FT² BECAUSE WE'RE SHORT, WE'RE SHORT UP TO FOUR OFFICES RIGHT NOW, BUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT NEED 6520FT² FROM THE COURTS WOULD BE ABLE THAT SPACE WOULD BE ABLE TO BE RECONFIGURED.

MAYBE POLICE MOVES IN ONE SIDE. FIRE TAKES SOMETHING ELSE.

NOT ALL OF IT IS GOING TO BE USED BY ONE DEPARTMENT OR THE OTHER.

ABSOLUTELY. ABOUT FIXING THE NEEDS OF EVERYBODY.

AND BUT WHAT? ABSOLUTELY. YES. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE SQUARE FOOT COST THAT WE HAVE IN THERE FOR RENOVATION RIGHT NOW MAY GO UP A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS MOVING THINGS AROUND WITHIN THAT. AND THAT'S STILL GOING TO BE CHEAPER. THAT'S WHAT I SAID. IF WE DO A 7000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AT $1,000, IT'S $7 MILLION. YEAH. AND JUST SO WE'RE I KNOW YOUR NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WHAT I AM OR WHAT I DO AND HOW I BUILD IT. A SHELL BUILDING. SO I'M NOT GOING TO QUESTIONS THOSE.

OBVIOUSLY, THOSE WILL COME IN FRONT OF US SO WE CAN LOOK AT THEM BASED ON TWO, THREE, 4 OR 5 COMPANIES THAT YOU GUYS SUBMIT.

WHAT YOU GUYS, WHAT THE PLANS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT COMPARED AND APPROVE IT OR NOT APPROVE IT OR WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.

BUT I THINK WITH UNDER $10 MILLION, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIX 700 ZERO SQUARE FOOT OF NEW BUILDING PARKING LOT SECURE PARKING, HAVING THE ABILITY TO KEEP EVERYBODY THERE.

AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF THE SOLUTION.

AND AGAIN, IT'S ME ONE, SO I'LL LEAVE EVERYBODY ELSE.

ANYTHING ELSE SIR? THAT'S ALL I HAVE. SORRY. STILL HAD THE FLOOR.

YEAH. I MEAN THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT I WAS MENTIONING.

YOU KNOW, I HAD DIDN'T KNOW KIND OF LAY OUT THERE.

I'D ALSO SEEN FIRE STATION ONE. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAD A WATER TOWER THAT WAS ABLE TO SIT ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE TORE DOWN NEXT TO IT.

SO THAT WAS WHY I MENTIONED THAT IS OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS AT ONE POINT GRADED AND RATED TO BE ABLE TO HOLD VERY HEAVY WEIGHT.

SO BUT I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO TRY TO KEEP EVERYBODY TOGETHER.

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BUT IF IT'S A STRAIGHT OFFICE BUILDING LIKE HE'S REFERRING TO UP FRONT THERE OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE STORM SHELTERS.

WE HAVE TO PUT THOSE IN. TYPICALLY, IT'S AN INTERIOR ROOM WITHOUT WINDOWS, WALLS.

A LOT OF TIMES THE BALLISTICS AND THEY'LL HAVE TO BE SOME UPGRADES.

BUT YEAH, BUT NOT THE ENTIRE BUILDING WON'T HAVE TO BE HARDENED.

AND ABSOLUTELY, IT'S GOING TO BE A CHEAPER SQUARE FOOTAGE.

IT'S JUST I GET PRETTY UNCOMFORTABLE SAYING WHAT THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT A COURT BUILDING.

BUT BUT DEFINITELY WOULD PROBABLY BE WOULD BE CHEAPER.

WELL, WE HAVEN'T DONE IT SO AND I'D LOVE TO DO PUT THEM THERE IF IT'S, IF IT BECOMES SO COST PROHIBITIVE THAT YOU CAN'T MOVE THE COURTS, I'M OKAY WITH THAT BUILDING, WITH THE NEW SPACE, GOING TO CONSOLIDATING A GROUP OF FIRE OR POLICE IN THERE AS WELL, AND WORKING ON ATTACHING IT IN THE SAME WAY. THE NEW SPACE HAS A GAP.

THE RENOVATIONS WE DID LAST TIME AND HAS A HALLWAY THROUGH IT NOW, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IF IT MAKES MORE SENSE FROM Y'ALL'S STANDPOINT, FOR COURTS TO STAY WHERE THEY ARE AND TO BE ABLE TO LAY THAT OUT FOR THE NEEDS AND ADJUST THAT DIRECTION.

NOW, I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT AS WELL. YOU KNOW, THE IDEA, I THINK FOR HIM FOR FOR MAYOR PRO TEM, IF I'M NOT WRONG, IS TO TRY TO KEEP THEM AS GEOGRAPHICALLY CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO EACH OTHER.

BUT IF IT MAKES MORE SENSE FROM A STANDPOINT OF LAYOUT AND EVERYTHING ELSE, TO BE ABLE TO LAY THAT NEW SPACE OUT IN A WAY THAT MEETS FIRE AND PD'S NEEDS BEST THAT WAY. AND EXTEND, ATTACH THAT HALLWAY THAT WE HAVE AT THE FRONT, THEN, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE ADDED THAT THAT HALLWAY, IF IT NEEDED TO BE EXTENDED JOT TO THE WELL, ME LOOKING AT IT TO THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE BUILDING STICKS OUT A LITTLE.

BUT OBVIOUSLY THOSE TWO, THE, THE ADDITIONAL SPACES THERE WERE ADDED ON.

I'M SAYING IF YOU ADD ON THERE AND IT'S BETTER TO ADD ON AND MAKE IT SPACE FOR Y'ALL, BUT YOU WANT THEM TO STILL BE ATTACHED IN THROUGH THAT HALLWAY.

NOW WE CAN LOOK AT THE RENOVATE BEING DOING THE RENOVATION THAT WAY AND LEAVING COURTS WHERE IT IS, IF NEED BE. MAYOR. ALSO, YOU CAN LOOK AT DOING TWO FLOOR OVER HERE.

YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH. I THINK, I MEAN, WE CAN DO ALL THAT.

I THINK A COUPLE OF LIMITATIONS THAT THINGS WILL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH IS THOSE COURTYARDS ARE REQUIRED BECAUSE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE WITH THE NONCONFORMING.

I DON'T HAVE THE CODE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THIS AREA THAT I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED HERE THAT I'M ZOOMED IN ON WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO GET THE KIND OF SPACE WE NEED.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OUT HERE IN THIS FRONT AREA.

BECAUSE MAYOR PRO TEM MENTIONED THAT A MINUTE AGO.

I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A CHALLENGE THERE BECAUSE ALTHOUGH IT IS SOME SPACE AND WE COULD PROBABLY GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THERE, I THINK WE HAVE TO CONTINUE HAVING THOSE COURTYARDS. I DON'T KNOW HOW CHIEF HENDERSON FEELS, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP THEM.

I CAN GET YOU THE INFORMATION. IT'S SOMETHING THAT.

BRANT, DO YOU REMEMBER? YEAH. SOMETHING ABOUT A BARRIER BETWEEN.

BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BARRIER FOR VEHICLES CASE VEHICLES WERE GOING TO RUN INTO THE BUILDING OR SOMETHING. I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY. I DON'T HAVE THE CODE WITH ME, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE REASONING WAS, IS THERE HAD TO BE A BARRIER THERE. AND THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED TALKED ABOUT THE TWO FLOOR, RIGHT. I THINK I THINK THE COURTS, THE COURTS MOVING AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR CHIEF HENDERSON OR LISA, BUT I THINK THE COURTS PROBABLY MAKES THE MOST SENSE THAT THAT WOULD HAVE FROM A CIRCULATION STANDPOINT.

I DON'T KNOW IF CHIEF HENDERSON HAD TIME TO LOOK AT ANY OF OF RECONFIGURATION OF THE COURT SPACE.

NO. OKAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE BIG THING FOR US IS WE'VE PRESENTED A TON OF OPTIONS.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET ALL THE OPTIONS IN FRONT OF YOU THAT EITHER THE BOND COMMITTEE OR YOU ALL HAVE ASKED US TO DO. I HOPE THESE PROCESSES THAT WE'RE PRESENTING ARE HIGH. THEY SHOULD BE. BUT WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT BUILDING THESE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A FEW YEARS FROM NOW.

AND SO WE'VE GOT TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT AS WELL AS WE START GOING IN ON ON WHICH OPTIONS Y'ALL WANT US TO PURSUE.

OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE CAN START ZEROING IN ON THOSE PRICES AS WELL.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. I MEAN, I KNOW WE, I KNOW, WE KNOW, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT HAVING TO BUILD THAT BARRIER.

BUT ULTIMATELY, WHEN WE PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE CITIZENS, WHATEVER THE AMOUNT IS, EVEN IF IT COMES IN LESS,

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IF IT'S 11 AND IT COMES IN AT EIGHT, THAT'S GREAT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE DEBT OUT. BUT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO, TO PUT THAT TOGETHER AS PART OF A FULL BOND PACKAGE AND CONVINCE THE PUBLIC TO GO OUT AND VOTE FOR THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S IF IT IF IT HAS THAT THAT ELASTICITY, WE DON'T WANT A DEAD PROJECT. MR. PARKER HAS POINTED OUT WE HAVE HAD PLENTY OF THOSE TO DEAL WITH, SO I GET THAT. YEAH. BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT ENDS UP BEING 20% MORE THAN WE END UP NEEDING, BECAUSE THAT MAY CUT SOMETHING ELSE OUT OF THE BOND, OR IT MAY PUT THAT NUMBER AT A LEVEL WHERE YOU GET A, YOU GET A, AS YOU'VE SEEN IN OTHER CITIES, A GROUP THAT GETS TOGETHER AND SAYS, SAY NO TO EVERYTHING, RIGHT? AND THEN AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S LISTED THERE FOR YEARS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I, I KNOW YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE IF IT WASN'T A NEED.

SAME WITH CHIEF HENDERSON AS FAR AS SPACE GOES.

AND SO THAT'S, I THINK WHAT'S DRIVING US IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT GOES OUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT COMES BACK WITH A NO WE'RE STUCK. WE CAN'T DO COS WE CAN'T APPROACH IT A DIFFERENT WAY.

WE, YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT, EVEN A, EVEN FROM A STANDPOINT OF FUND BALANCE.

IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING WE COULD TACKLE. AND AS YOU KNOW, THAT COULD COMPLETELY CHANGE AS WELL.

AND THE FUTURE MAY REQUIRE A TWO THIRDS VOTE FOR ANY BONDS.

AND SO NOW AT THIS POINT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOMETHING THAT'S NECESSARY FOR FOR SPACEX, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE EMPLOYING HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO TO WORK, SIT DOWN, GET THEIR JOB DONE, BE EFFECTIVE, THOSE THINGS FIRST AND FOREMOST.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S DRIVING IT. SO I DON'T WANT I WAS JUST THROWING OUT ANOTHER OPTION OF PUTTING THE NEW SPACE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM CODES AND OTHER THINGS, PUTTING THE MOVING THE COURTS MAKES THE MOST SENSE.

IT'S PROBABLY WHAT Y'ALL CAN. PART OF WHY THAT GOT LED THAT WAY WASN'T PRIVY TO THAT CONVERSATION.

BUT NOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT COME BACK, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO EXPAND THAT IF IT NEEDS TO BE UP FRONT, WHEREVER IT NEEDS TO BE LOCATED, I'D LOVE TO SEE IT AS A ADDITIONAL ADD ON OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT, BECAUSE AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT HELPS WITH THE.

SECURE PARKING SITUATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL.

BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT INFORMATION COME BACK.

AND THEN FOR ME ON THE REMODELS, I'D LIKE TO SEE A BREAKDOWN OF EXACTLY KIND OF WHAT'S GOING INTO THAT.

I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE BUILT IN FOR THE TWO THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING.

I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO WRITE EVERYTHING DOWN.

BUT YOU WERE BREAKING DOWN THAT LIKE FIRE STATION TWO HAD SOME OTHER COSTS IN THERE THAT WERE FOR, FOR DIFFERENT THINGS BEYOND JUST THE STATION ITSELF.

YEAH. IT'S THE SAME THINGS THAT WE'VE PRESENTED BEFORE.

BUT, BUT AGAIN, WE'LL BE IT'S 2.3 MILLION FOR BASE.

STATION ONE. I'M SORRY. IT'S THE, THE BASE SPACE IS SEVEN THREE.

THAT INCLUDES MS STORAGE, BUNKER GEAR STORAGE, DECON WORKROOM JUST LIKE OUR BASE AND OUR MODERN FIRE STATIONS.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO LOWER PRICE FOR THE NON NO, FOR THE, FOR THE SPACE THAT IS NOT FINISHED OUT.

NO. WHO ARE WE? DO WE, ARE WE GETTING QUOTES FROM 3 OR 4 PEOPLE OR ARE YOU JUST RUNNING.

WELL, I MEAN WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY QUOTES. WE'VE WE'VE TALKED TO ARCHITECTS AND WE'VE GOT SQUARE FOOT PRICES.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BASING ALL OF THIS ON BECAUSE WE CALLED IN A TON OF FAVORS ON THE FRONT END OF THIS, BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET A LITTLE MORE NARROWED DOWN BEFORE WE COULD.

I MEAN, WE, THEY CAME OUT HERE AND VISITED AND LOOKED AT FIRE STATION ONE AND STATION TWO AND SAID, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK IT'S GOING TO COST.

BUT UNTIL WE GET THOSE PROJECTS NARROWED DOWN IT'S DIFFICULT TO, THERE'S BEEN NO DESIGN.

THERE'S BEEN NO, IT'S REALLY US TAKING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

WE'VE GOT THAT 2019 DRAWING OF FIRE STATION TWO.

WE'RE USING THAT QUITE A BIT, BUT IT'S REALLY JUST INTERNALLY AND WITH THE HELP OF SOME ARCHITECTS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH IN THE PAST.

NOW WHEN IT COMES TIME TO TO DO THE PROJECTS, WHICH ONES WE'RE GOING TO DO AND DESIGN, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD GET WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS AS, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, FOR ARCHITECT, FOR ENGINEER.

AND FOR IF WE DID CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, GENERAL CONTRACTOR, WHATEVER THE COUNCIL, HOW THEY'RE, HOW WE WANTED TO HANDLE THAT WE WOULD GO THROUGH.

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AND THEY SAY THAT THE BAYS ARE AS COMPLEX AS ANY OTHER PART OF THE BUILDING.

THEY JUST HAVE LESS FINISHES. BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT EITHER.

AND I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH IT, BUT THAT, THAT SLAB IN THE BAY AREA IS USUALLY TEN INCHES THICK VERSUS MAYBE AT 6 OR 8 IN OTHER PARTS OF THE BUILDING THAT ADDS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY. THE BEAMS ARE BIGGER FOR THE FOUNDATION, SO IT JUST STARTS FROM THERE AND GOES UP. BUT OBVIOUSLY, ABSOLUTELY WE WOULD GET MULTIPLE BIDS WHEN WE GOT TO THAT POINT.

OKAY. WELL, MAYOR PRO TEM, I'LL JUST QUESTION ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON RENOVATIONS.

IT SAYS FIRE STATION ONE SQUARE FOOTAGE, 6440.

IS THAT NEW SQUARE FOOTAGE OR WHAT IS THE CURRENT? THAT'S THE CURRENT FIRE STATION AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEING RENOVATED.

THAT'S WHAT'S BEING REMODELED. CORRECT. OKAY.

AND THEN THE ADDITION OF THE NEW BASE TO REPLACE WHAT WE'RE REMODELING.

OKAY. SO THERE WILL BE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE ADDED TO THAT, RIGHT? WELL, IT'S IT'S ALL IN THERE. YES. SO FIRE STATION ONE HAS 255 BY 20 NEW, 55 BY 20 BASE.

THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL AREA THAT'S IN THE BACK OF THE FIRE STATION RIGHT NOW. THAT'S A COVERED AREA THAT WE WOULD REDO.

AND THAT'S 50 BY 50. AND THEN REMODELING THE CURRENT STATION, WHICH IS 6400FT² IS $406 A FOOT IS WHAT WE HAVE IT SET AT RIGHT NOW. FOR, FOR REMODELING. THE REMODELING OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE PRETTY EXTENSIVE BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING BATHROOMS. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT JUST MOVING WALLS. HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE NORMALLY IN EACH STATION? WELL, IT DEPENDS WHAT STATION AT STATION ONE AND TWO.

STATION ONE HAS SIX, STATION TWO HAS SIX. BUT WE'LL GO TO EIGHT WHEN WE ADD ANOTHER AMBULANCE.

AND HOW MANY BEDS DO THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW? STATION ONE.

SO SO THEIR SHARED BEDROOMS. SO STATION ONE HAS EIGHT AND STATION.

WELL THEY BOTH HAVE EIGHT. FOUR. YEAH. SO YOU NEED MORE BEDS FOR EACH STATION.

YEAH. OUR ORIGINAL GOAL WAS NOT SO MUCH MORE BEDS.

OUR ORIGINAL GOAL WAS TO GET THE SHARED BEDROOMS. WE HAVE MORE WOMEN IN THE FIRE STATIONS NOW, AND WE HAVE BEDROOMS THAT AT THOSE TWO FIRE STATIONS, THERE'S TWO BEDS DIVIDED BY A ROW OF LOCKERS.

AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO, IF WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS SOME THINGS THAT, THAT FIRE STATION, WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS THE BATHROOMS AND WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THERE WERE MEN AND WOMEN SLEEPING IN THE SAME WHICH WE'VE ADDRESSED BY POLICY, BUT WE WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS IT WITH BUILDING UPGRADES AS WELL. OKAY.

BECAUSE I SEE THE COST DIFFERENCE IS ABOUT $3.5 MILLION BETWEEN THE TWO RENOVATIONS.

STATION TWO HAS QUITE A BIT MORE BASE SPACE. BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING DOUBLE DEEP BAYS AND TRYING TO GET ALL THE FRONTLINE APPARATUS FROM THE BARN OR THE, WHAT WE CALL THE BARN, THE STORAGE BUILDING IN THE BACK. DOES THAT INCLUDE THE BARN AS WELL? THE 11 MILLION IN THE BACK OR. NO. WHICH ONE? THE RENOVATION OF FIRE STATION TWO. WHAT? ON THIS ONE.

RIGHT HERE. YEAH. THAT THAT INCLUDES YES. ONE THE SAME AS WE'VE SHOWED YOU BEFORE, 1.5 MILLION FOR THE BACK BUILDING FOR THAT BACK PARKING FOR FLEET. RIGHT.

OKAY. NOW THAT'S CHEAPER SQUARE FOOTAGE. RIGHT.

AND SO SOME THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS WHEREVER WE LAND, WHAT'S THE BALANCE OF LESS BASE SPACE THAT'S MORE EXPENSIVE AND ADD ON MORE TO THE BARN FOR STORAGE. BUT OUR GOAL IS ALL OF OUR FRONTLINE APPARATUS NEED TO BE IN THE FRONT OF THE FIRE STATION IN THE SAME BUILDING WHERE OUR OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE.

THAT'S ONE OF OUR THAT'S ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES.

THANK YOU. SO WHAT DO WE HAVE IN STORAGE THERE? THAT'S FRONTLINE. THAT'S IN THE BACK. IT DEPENDS.

IT'S EITHER THE BRUSH TRUCK OR THE RESERVE AMBULANCE.

IT DEPENDS A LOT ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD TODAY.

IF IT'S SUPER DRY 4TH OF JULY THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BRING THE BRUSH TRUCK UP THERE.

IF IT'S THE IF IT'S DAY TO DAY, IT'S PROBABLY THE AMBULANCE.

AND SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THOSE UP THERE, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE, BUT THEY EITHER HAVE TO GET IN THEIR TRUCK AND DRIVE BACK THERE AND SWITCH VEHICLES, OR THEY HAVE TO RUN DOWN THERE AND GET THE VEHICLE AND THEN LEAVE.

FROM THERE, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SEE IS IF THERE'S A WAY TO.

HOW MUCH SPACE DO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE? THREE BAYS, BUT ONLY A FIRE TRUCK WILL ONLY FIT IN ONE.

AND THAT'S AT BOTH FIRE STATION ONE AND TWO. EACH ONE HAS THREE SINGLE DEEP BAYS.

SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIRE STATION TWO, IT'S FOR THEIR 13, THEIR 14 FOOT WIDE AND TWO OF THEM ARE 28 FOOT DEEP.

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YEAH. BECAUSE I REMEMBER IT DOESN'T IT DIDN'T FIT INTO THE OLD ONE WITH THE NEW TRUCK, RIGHT? YEAH. WE ORDERED WE WE WIDENED IT BEFORE WE ORDERED IT, BUT.

YES, BUT I THINK YOU HAD MENTIONED 7000 NEW FEET OF BASE SPACE WOULD BE NEEDED ON THAT ONE.

THOSE ARE DOUBLE DEEP BASS. SO THE NEW BAYS THE NEW BAYS ARE 2200FT².

AND I'M SORRY, THE NEW BAYS ARE. SEVEN. YEAH.

7000FT². THAT INCLUDES AN MS SUPPLY STORAGE ROOM, ALL WITHIN THE SAME BASE SPACE.

AND WE HAVE TO PUT THAT ADDITION, THAT NEW BAY ON AN ANGLE SO THE FIRE TRUCKS CAN MAKE THE TURN ONTO THE ROAD ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE FIRE STATION, AND THEN ULTIMATELY OUT TO COUNTRY CLUB. AND SO THEY'RE LONGER ON ONE SIDE, WHICH IS SOME, I DON'T WANT TO SAY WASTED SPACE, BUT IT ADDS SOME ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE TO TIE INTO THE BUILDING BECAUSE THE THE BAYS ARE TURNED AT AN ANGLE. OKAY, GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SEE IS IF THERE'S A MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO DO A RENOVATION. OTHER THAN THAT PLAN, IF IT'S ADDING THAT MUCH ADDITIONAL BASE SPACE.

WE START GETTING INTO THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.

LET ME SHOW YOU. WE START KIND OF GETTING INTO THE CHALLENGES OF THAT LOT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS FIRE STATION HERE AT THE STREET LEVEL, CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT UP THERE ON YOUR SCREEN? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO OBVIOUSLY IF WE GO OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE THERE'S GOING TO BE QUITE A BIT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS TO BE DONE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT ABOUT A THREE FOOT DIFFERENCE. THAT'S ALSO WHERE OUR GRINDER PUMP IS OVER THERE FOR THE SEWER.

SO NOW WE'RE INTO RENOVATING THAT. SAME THING IF WE GO OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE.

THIS IS THE EDGE OF THE FIRE STATION OVER HERE.

HERE WE GO. SO ON THIS SIDE OVER HERE, THIS IS WHERE ALL THE UTILITIES GENERATOR AND EVERYTHING IS FOR THE FIRE STATION.

SO ABSOLUTELY WE COULD, WE COULD LOOK AT EXPANDING A BAY THERE.

BUT SOMEHOW IT'S GOT TO TIE BACK INTO THE LIVING QUARTERS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE FIRE STATION.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED MORE SPACE FOR THAT ANYWAY. CORRECT.

WHAT'S THAT FOR THE LIVING SPACE, YOU WOULD NEED MORE SPACE.

IT'S NOT JUST RENOVATING, IT'S ADDITIONAL SPACE.

SO WHAT I WAS SAYING IS IF YOU BUILD ON THAT SIDE AND YOU RUN THAT ALL THE WAY BACK AND YOU DELINEATE THE BAY SPACE VERSUS THE LIVING SPACE, IT ALLOWS YOU TO ADD ON ON THAT SIDE TO FIT YOUR ADDITIONAL BAY, AND I PUT THE LIVING SPACE BACK NEXT TO THE OTHER LIVING SPACE THAT'S BEHIND THERE.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ON THIS THIS NORTH SIDE OF THE STATION HERE THAT'S SHOWN HERE? YES. YEAH. SO YES, BUT THE ENTIRE ROOF OF THE BACKSIDE OF THE FIRE STATION IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE TORN OFF. I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE RENOVATION, IS IT NOT A NEW ROOF? WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT TORN OFF FROM THE TOP PLATE UP BECAUSE THE THE PITCH HAS GOT TO CHANGE BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE IF YOU'RE AT, LET'S SAY WE HAD 20 FOOT ON THAT NORTH SIDE, WE CAN'T HAVE THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING.

YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO PEAKS OR TWO. SO SO YES, IT'S JUST ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, RENOVATION COSTS.

THE, THE ROOF LINE HERE FOR THE BAY CAN BE RAN OUT THIS WAY.

THAT WE COULD GET ONE, BUT THEN WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING UP HERE BECAUSE NOW THE FIRE APPARATUS CAN'T BACK IN.

IF WE GO BACK HERE, WE GET INTO THIS 3 OR 4 FOOT GRADE BACK HERE THAT WE'VE SOMEHOW GOT TO TRANSITION FROM DOWN HERE TO UP HERE.

SO YEAH, ALL OF THAT WE CAN DO. BUT IT STARTS KIND OF BRINGING UP WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED IN THE PAST IS THIS SITE IS A CHALLENGE. AND, AND AGAIN, WHERE I WAS GOING A MINUTE AGO, EVERYTHING FOR THAT BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE WISE IS ON THE NORTH SIDE RIGHT HERE. SO THE GENERATOR IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE MOVED, THE POWER FEED IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE MOVED.

PROPANE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE MOVED WATER. ALL OF THAT COMES IN ON THIS SIDE OF THIS BUILDING.

SO IF WE WERE GOING TO PUT A BAY THERE WE COULD DO IT.

BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE AS SIMPLE AS JUST ADDING ON LIKE WE DID THE, THE 20 FOOT ON THE FRONT.

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I JUST WHEN I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM A WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO GET IT COMPLETED.

I MEAN, IF WE DO THE OTHER AND WE'RE BUILDING THOSE BAYS AT AN ANGLE, BACK OFF THE BACK THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TEAR ALL THOSE ROOFS OFF AND DO ALL OF THAT WORK AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS AS WELL.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU FOR ALL OF THAT AS NEW BASE SPACE AS OPPOSED TO AN ADD ON.

YEAH. THE NEW BASE SPACE ON THE BACK. BASICALLY TIED INTO THE BUILDING RIGHT HERE.

THIS ALL STAYED THE SAME. THE NEW BASE BASE ON THE BACK, LET'S SAY, IS THAT AN ANGLE FOLLOWING THE CURSOR THERE.

AND THEN THIS IS ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION BACK HERE.

DRIVE THROUGH BAYS IN THE BACK. COMES AROUND HERE.

IT REDOES THE PARKING OVER HERE. BUT AGAIN, WHEN WE DO THAT, WE'VE GOT TO GET INTO, WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS THE SEWER NOW BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE.

THE GRINDER PUMP RUNS DOWN THIS NORTH DOWN THE SOUTH SIDE OVER HERE.

SO THAT'S GOT TO BE ADDRESSED. AND AGAIN, IT JUST STARTS GETTING INTO MORE MORE COMPLICATIONS.

SO. OKAY. I APPRECIATE ALL THE ALL THE ANSWERS THIS EVENING. I'M NOT SEEING A LOT OF OTHER OTHER COMMENTS RIGHT NOW, SO I GUESS I'LL ECHO WHAT THE MAYOR PRO TEM HAD SAID. I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT COST, WHAT WE COULD FEASIBLY DO FOR THE ADMIN PORTION THERE AT THE MAIN PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING. OKAY. YEAH. THE THE THE COURT BUILDING.

YEAH. OKAY. SORRY. I'M SAYING HIS IDEA BECAUSE THEY KNOW BETTER THAN ME EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE POINTING OUT THERE.

BUT MAYOR. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING BECAUSE WE GOT TO GIVE THEM SOME SORT OF DIRECTION TO THE STAFF BECAUSE HERE IN NEXT NEXT MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD TO PUTTING SOME NUMBERS TOGETHER AND AND GIVE DIRECTION TO THE STAFF.

SO I DON'T WANT TO I THINK WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO COST.

IF IT'S 7100 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AT $1,000, IT'S GOING TO BE $7 MILLION.

IF THE COUNCIL PLUS 3 MILLION, LET'S SAY 10 MILLION IN TOTAL, GIVE OR TAKE, WITH THE PARKING AND RENOVATIONS FOR THAT BUILDING.

IF THE COUNCIL AND I'M TAKING CHIEF'S NUMBERS AT $1,000 A FOOT, WHICH FOR COURTS SHOULD BE LESS.

BUT I'M TAKING THAT NUMBER, HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING.

SO I THINK IF THIS PANEL IS OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD ON THAT DIRECTION, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE GOT TO GIVE THEM DIRECTION FOR.

AND THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH FIRE STATION ONE AND TWO WHEN EVERYBODY GIVES THEIR OPINION, SO THEY CAN BRING US REAL NUMBERS NEXT MEETING AND WE MOVE FORWARD ON WHAT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS THING.

THAT'S MY OPINION. SO SINCE SINCE YOU HAVE VOLUNTEERED, THE OPINION IS WHAT WE'LL DO.

WE CAN JUST DO SEPARATE. WE'LL DO FIRE ADMIN AND THEN WE'LL DO THE STATIONS.

YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE FIRE ADMIN ARE CLEAR.

I THINK THE FIRE. WHAT ABOUT THE EXISTING STATIONS, EXISTING STATIONS.

SO FOR ME RIGHT NOW I WOULD LEAVE FIRE STATION ONE OFF FROM THIS BOND, PERSONALLY SPEAKING.

AND I WOULD WORK WITH FIRE STATION TWO AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR FIRE STATION TWO.

SO HERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS I LOOKED AT. YOU'RE BUILDING A 17,000 SQUARE FOOT.

IF YOU BUILD A BRAND NEW FIRE STATION TWO, YOU'RE BUILDING A 17,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

IF. IF BASED ON WHAT? THESE COMPUTERS ALWAYS GONNA DIE ON US WHEN WE NEED THEM. SORRY. JUST HAD TO LOG IN.

17,500FT². CORRECT. IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A BRAND NEW ONE.

AND THAT'S 18 MILLION IF WE'RE RENOVATING AND WE'RE 6000FT² FOR $11 MILLION, THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING RENOVATIONS VERSUS BUILDING A NEW ONE.

SO DO YOU NEED A 17,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING STATION TO CAN WE DRAW IT DOWN TO MORE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO DO A RENOVATION AND BUILD A NEW ONE? MAYBE DO A 14,000 13,000 SQUARE FOOT? THAT WILL BE A LONG TERM PROJECT FOR YOU THAT I THINK BASED ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND SO THAT WILL ROUND IT UP SOMEWHERE IN AROUND 20 MILLION TO $22 MILLION RANGE.

FOR ME, THAT WOULD BE A RENOVATION OR NEW FIRE STATION AND A NEW FIRE ADMIN BUILD AT THE CURRENT PLACE.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS FEASIBLE AND DOABLE FOR ME AT LEAST IF IF YOU DO, IF YOU FIGURE IT OUT, IF YOU CAN DO IT, I THINK FIRE STATION ONE, IT WILL DEPEND A LOT ON AS WE GO IN NEXT THREE,

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BECAUSE WE MAY BUILD A BIGGER FIRE STATION FIVE THAT MAY COVER SOME OF THAT AREA ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.

SO I DON'T KNOW. AND THAT'S WHERE WHERE I'M THINKING ABOUT, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND BUILDING A FIRE STATION SMALLER THAN FIRE STATION FOUR WHICH IS 155.

OKAY. BUT I MEAN, WE, WE CAN, WE CAN BUILD A, WE CAN.

AND SO I THINK EVEN IF YOU GO TO A $25 MILLION RANGE FOR BOTH THINGS THAT I MENTIONED, I THINK I'M OKAY WITH THAT TYPE OF NUMBER AND THAT TYPE OF RANGE. AND I'D LEAVE THE FIRE STATION ONE OFF FOR RIGHT NOW.

THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND SEE HOW WE GO FORWARD.

THAT'S JUST MY THING. I THINK WE TAKE TWO OUT OF THE THREE AND WE MOVE ON.

THAT'S MY OPINION. CAN I ASK ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION BEFORE YOU TURN YOUR MIC OFF? THE 10 MILLION INCLUDES THE 2.5 MILLION IN PUBLIC SAFETY.

YEAH. AND THE COURT OR WHATEVER WE DO OVER THERE.

YEAH. OKAY. I'M A FIRM BELIEVER THAT A 7000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING SHOULD COST YOU UNDER 7 MILLION FINISHED OUT.

OKAY. BUT I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S TO BE THE CASE.

I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT OUT. I'M TAKING IT AT $1,000, WHICH IT GIVES YOU $7 MILLION RANGE.

THANK YOU. AND JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, I'M NOT TAKING THESE NUMBERS OUT OF THIN AIR.

I'M BUILDING A BUILDING 1800 ZERO SQUARE FOOT SHELL BUILDING.

SO WHEN I TALK NUMBERS, I'M NOT JUST TALKING NUMBERS BECAUSE I'M NOT INVOLVED IN IT.

I'M TELLING YOU INFRASTRUCTURE. I'M TELLING YOU, MOVE IN, BIG PIPE.

I'M TELLING YOU EVERYTHING ELSE. SURE. SO I WITH FULL RESPECT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT. YEAH. AND TO BE CLEAR, THESE AREN'T MY NUMBERS.

WE REACHED OUT TO A THE PUBLIC, TO PEOPLE THAT BUILD PUBLIC BUILDINGS.

AND THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THEY GAVE US. AND OBVIOUSLY LIKE, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, IT'S GOING TO GO TO BID.

AND IT'S GOING TO COME BACK WHERE IT COMES BACK. SO.

WELL, I'LL, I'LL VOLUNTEER MINE REAL QUICK. AND THEN I THINK WE HAVE ONE OTHER INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

SO FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M IN AGREEMENT ON TRYING TO SEE PUT PUTTING A PLAN TOGETHER AROUND 10 MILLION TO DO THE ADMIN.

I'LL CALL IT ADMIN WORK, SO TO SPEAK, OVER AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING AND GETTING GETTING THOSE THINGS ADDRESSED OVER THERE.

I AGREE, I THINK YOU GUYS CAN COME IN UNDER A THOUSAND FOR COURTS.

THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THE NEW BUILD THERE, WHICH SHOULD GIVE YOU SOME EXTRA MONEY TO BE ABLE TO USE TO RENOVATE THE OLD SPACE FROM THAT, FROM THERE. FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TRYING TO REMODEL THE TWO FIRE STATIONS, BUT I WOULD BE MORE IN THE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO ADJUST TO KEEP THEM IN ABOUT THE 15 MILLION COMBINED COMBINED. YEAH.

OKAY. SO IT'S ABOUT THREE AND A HALF LESS THAN WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW.

I THINK WE COULD DO SOME OF THAT. MAY JUST SIMPLY BE IF WE GET IT PASSED AND ACTUALLY GET OFF OUR.

AND I'M NOT REFERRING TO YOU TO THE COUNCIL. IF WE GET OFF OUR DUFF AND GET THINGS MOVING, THAT PROBABLY HELPS WITH THOSE NUMBERS TO BEGIN WITH, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT.

I KNOW YOU HAD TO BUILD IN MULTIPLE YEARS OF INFLATIONARY COSTS AND ESCALATIONS, I THINK IS THE RIGHT WORD.

BUT I THINK IF WE CAN GET, I THINK, I THINK WE CAN HOPEFULLY WORK WITH YOU GUYS TO TIGHTEN THAT UP AND GET THAT CLOSER TO THAT NUMBER FOR THOSE TWO.

AND IF WE CAN, THEN THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO.

THAT PUTS US AT ABOUT 25 MILLION. I KNOW IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO DO EXACTLY WHAT WE WHAT WE WOULD LOVE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD MEET THE NEEDS OF MAKING SURE ALL OUR PERSONNEL FEEL EQUALLY TREATED, THAT WHOEVER IS AT FIRE STATION ONE DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE THE CRAPPY STATION, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE, EVERYONE HAS THEIR SEPARATE SHOWERS, SEPARATE ROOMS, AND ONE GROUP DOESN'T.

THEY'RE GOING TO. IT'S GOING TO BE A DISSATISFIED.

AND FRANKLY, IF I KNOW PEOPLE, THEY'LL PROBABLY TEASE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE ABOUT IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'LL PROBABLY RUN WITH IT AND SAY, THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE A REAL FIREFIGHTER, THAT WHOLE THING. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE'VE, WE'VE UPDATED BOTH OF THOSE FOR IT AND HAVE THAT SPACE.

SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU ALL DO IS TRY TO GET THAT CLOSER TO THE 15 MILLION ON THE TWO REMODELS COMBINED, AND THEN ABOUT TEN TO ADDRESS THE EXPANSION THERE.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY FEEDBACK TO YOU GUYS. DOES THAT HELP? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. COUNCILMAN STRAIN. I LIKE WHAT THE MAYOR PRO TEM SAID.

I THINK I AGREE WITH HIS LINEUP. OKAY. AND COUNCILMAN DUKE THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I, I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. I DON'T THINK FIRE STATION ONE IS GOING TO LAST ANOTHER FIVE YEARS THE WAY IT IS.

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OKAY, SO I'VE HEARD FROM FOUR PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER THREE INDIVIDUALS.

DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE OF THE TWO PROPOSALS. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, YOU CAN THROW IT OUT THERE. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT PEOPLE THINK. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU MAYOR. I THINK THE 25 NUMBER WORKS.

ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, I THINK IN THAT WE CAN PROBABLY GET FIRE STATION ONE AND TWO, BOTH REMODELED, BUT NEED TO PROBABLY TRY TO PUT THE BIDS OUT AT THE SAME TIME SO THAT YOU CAN GET THE THE DISCOUNT OF THE SAME VENDOR DOING BOTH BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE PHASED ANYWAY. THAT WAY YOU GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER PRICING ON IT.

AND. I THINK YOU'RE DOING RIGHT IN TRYING TO WORK AROUND ALL THE UTILITIES AND HOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DESIGN OF IT.

WITH THE WAY THAT THAT ROOF WOULD HAVE TO COME OFF AND THE WAY THAT THE LOADS WON'T CARRY JUST TO GO AHEAD AND EXTEND THE ROOF.

SO I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AS FAR AS HOW TO REMODEL FIRE STATION TWO AND USE THAT SHOTGUN LAYOUT TO THE BEST YOU CAN.

I THINK WITH DIGGING IN, YOU'LL END UP GETTING A GOOD PLAN TOGETHER.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN HOOVER. PICKENS. WHO WANTS TO GO NEXT? COUNCILMAN HOOVER. I'M OKAY WITH THE 25 MILLION TRYING TO REMODEL STATION ONE AND TWO AND THE ADMIN IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING. OKAY. OKAY.

AND COUNCILMAN PICKENS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I AGREE WITH YOU. OKAY.

SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I HAVE I HAVE A MAJORITY OPINION.

AND I'M NOT MISLEADING. I HAVE IT AS MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCILMAN STRANG PREFERRED THE TEN AND THEN THE FOCUS ON FIRE STATION TWO. AND I HAD THE OTHER FIVE MEMBERS, INCLUDING MYSELF, PREFERRED THE TEN AND TRYING TO DO AND WORKING TO GET THAT REMODEL COST ON ONE AND TWO TO ABOUT 15 FOR A TOTAL OF 25.

IF I'VE MISSTATED ANYTHING, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CORRECT ME NOW, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO LET THE STAFF BE ABLE TO WORK TOWARDS THIS AT THIS POINT AND NARROW IT DOWN. OKAY. DOESN'T APPEAR THAT I MISSPOKE.

LOOK FORWARD TO NOW THAT YOU NOW THAT YOU HAVE ONE ONE THING TO KIND OF WORK ON, JUST KIND OF COME BACK AND BE OPEN AND COMMUNICATE WITH US ON WHAT YOU FIND OUT AFTER YOU DIG INTO THAT SOME MORE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR DOING THE BUDGET WORK SESSION.

ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT WE WILL FINISH WORKSTATION WORK SESSION THREE.

DO WE NEED A BREAK? YES. OKAY. I'M GETTING NODS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.

SO WE'LL TAKE A QUICK BREAK. OKAY. BACK INTO SESSION.

WE ARE NOW ON WORK SESSION FOR THIS EVENING. WORK SESSION NUMBER FOUR IS GOING TO BE TO DISCUSS FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET FOR GENERAL FUND UTILITY FUND AND FOR B

[WS4. Discuss the FY 2027 Budget for the General Fund, Utility Fund, and 4B Sales Tax Fund.]

AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. THIS FIRST SLIDE, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON THIS.

IT'S JUST A REVIEW OF THE PREVIOUS SLIDES THAT WE'VE PRESENTED.

OUR ESTIMATED CERTIFIED VALUES ARE APPROXIMATELY 8.18 BILLION.

NEW CONSTRUCTION. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ABOUT 127 MILLION, WHICH EQUATES TO ABOUT 740,000 IN NEW REVENUE FOR US.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE SPLIT THERE 76% TO 24% BETWEEN THE GENERAL FUND AND THE DEBT FUND.

WE'RE PROPOSING A 2% SALES TAX INCREASE. AND THE CURRENT BUDGET IS BEEN PRODUCED, ASSUMING THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE AS DISCUSSED BACK IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH, WHENEVER OUR FIRST BUDGET MEETING WAS, ALONG WITH A 5% INCREASE IN FROM OUR TRASH SERVICE PROVIDER.

AND TO CLARIFY, THAT'S US PASSING ALONG THE INCREASE FROM THEM.

YES, SIR. JUST I KNOW WE HAD SOMEBODY THAT CAME THIS EVENING WAS ASKING, UNFORTUNATELY, DURING NON-AGENDA ITEMS ABOUT THE INCREASES THAT WE SEE

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IT'S NOT THE CITY THAT'S RAISING THE RATE WE'RE PASSING.

THE RATE INCREASE ON THAT COMES FROM THE PROVIDER, CORRECT? YES, SIR. ITEMS INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

AGAIN THIS IS A SLIDE Y'ALL SEEN EXCEPT FOR THE BOTTOM PART THAT HAS THE FOUR B AND THE UTILITY FUND.

WE DID GET OUR NUMBER BACK TODAY, OUR FINAL NUMBER FROM OUR HEALTH INSURANCE PROVIDER.

AND WE DID RECEIVE A 12% INCREASE. SO THAT NUMBER WILL REDUCE.

BUT THE BASE BUDGET DOES INCLUDE THE 3% AVERAGE MERIT INCREASE FOR GENERAL EMPLOYEES AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY STEP PLAN.

AND THEN THE NEXT TWO SECTIONS THERE YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT IMPACTS THE FOUR B AND THE UTILITY FUND.

SO THE ESTIMATED AND THIS IS REALLY JUST AN INFORMATIONAL SLIDE.

THE ESTIMATED NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS ABOUT FIVE $0.54, $0.55.

IF YOU WANT TO ROUND ALL THOSE UP. THE DEBT WE JUST RECENTLY ISSUED FROM THE 2021 BOND AND THE PEFKOS IS ABOUT 1.7 CENTS. AND THEN THE ESTIMATED VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS $0.58, WHICH DOES INCLUDE 1.7 CENTS FOR DEBT. I KNOW THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT THAT, WHETHER THAT WAS INCLUDED OR NOT, AND THAT IS INCLUDED. $0.01 OF TODAY VALUES EQUALS ABOUT 818,000 TO THE CITY.

FOR EVERY PENNY ON THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE OF ABOUT 432,000, WE DID THE PUBLIC SAFETY PAY PLAN EVALUATION. I MENTIONED THAT LAST MEETING THAT CAME IN ABOUT 637,000.

IF WE WERE GOING TO MAINTAIN 100% OF AVERAGE AS DIRECTED BY COUNCIL BACK IN 2023.

AND I ALSO SUBMITTED Y'ALL, OUR PEER CITIES THAT WE CURRENTLY ARE VALUE WE COMPARE AGAINST, I GUESS. WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY DRAW DOWN OF THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S A POLICY DECISION THAT YOU ALL MAKE, BUT OUR BOND RATING AGENCIES ALWAYS I GUESS THINK HIGHLY OF THAT. I KNOW THAT'S BEEN A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION OF HOW DOES THAT, HOW DO WE MEASURE THAT? AND YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.

THEY, THEY CAN'T TELL US IF WE DRAW IT DOWN TO 25%, IF THAT'S AN EXTRA PERCENT ON INTEREST RATE OR AN EXTRA 5%, WE DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. SO BUT WE DO HAVE A STRONG BOND RATING.

SO WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING DRAWING DOWN ANY FUND BALANCE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CONSIDERATION OF BOND IN NOVEMBER.

AND THEN THE PEFKOS, IF WE WANT TO USE ANY OF THAT FOR ANY LONG TERM PURCHASES. FOR ITEMS THAT HAVE A LIFE OF OVER TEN YEARS OR SO.

LET'S SEE HERE. AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM, THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

THE OPERATING EXPENSES TOTAL FOR THE GENERAL FUND WERE ONLY INCREASED 1.5%.

THE REST OF IT IS A LOT OF IT'S PERSONNEL RELATED EXPENSES.

AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE SAME SLIDE YOU ALL SEEN BEFORE.

PROPOSED REVENUE AT THE PROPOSED TAX RATE OF $0.58 IS ABOUT 70 MILLION.

PROPOSED EXPENDITURES ARE A LITTLE OVER 69 MILLION.

69 MILLION AND A HALF. AND THEN WE HAVE. ABOUT 863,000 TO PROVIDE ONE TIME EXPENSES OR WHATEVER WE. DIRECTION WE GET FROM Y'ALL.

COUNCILMAN. WE GO BACK ONE FOR A SECOND. JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT USE OF FUND BALANCE IS ZERO.

WE GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THOSE FOOTNOTES THERE.

TOSS ABOUT ESTIMATED FUND BALANCE IS 34.5%. 30% FUND BALANCE IS 21 MILLION.

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AND SO WE PUT THAT INFORMATION ON THERE. IF WE WERE TO DRAW IT DOWN TO 30%, IT'S 3.2 MILLION.

IF YOU WERE TO DRAW IT DOWN TO A POLICY WHICH IS 25% IS 6.7 MILLION.

OKAY. AND HOW MUCH ARE WE LOOKING TO POTENTIALLY SPEND ON PPF? COS I KNOW THAT WAS ON THE SLIDE BEFORE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE A FIGURE ATTACHED TO IT. 3.8.

IT'S LATER. YES. BUT IT'S LATER. POINT EIGHT.

OKAY. THANKS. AND Y'ALL Y'ALL GOT YOUR BUDGET BOOKS.

SO THESE ARE JUST AGAIN, I HAVEN'T MADE MY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION YET BECAUSE WE NEED DIRECTION ON OTHER TAX RATE AS WELL AS PUBLIC SAFETY PAY PLAN. SO THESE ARE JUST THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I MENTIONED THAT AT THE LAST MEETING THAT I WAS NOT GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING ANY PERSONNEL, EXCEPT FOR THE TWO CROSSING GUARDS THAT SPLIT 50% WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SO. AND THEN HERE'S JUST SOME ADDITIONAL REQUESTS THAT TOTAL ABOUT 1.6 MILLION, INCLUDING THE PERSONNEL REQUEST.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE REQUESTS? COUNCILMAN STRING THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.

I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING THE SCHOOL PAY FOR ALL THE CROSSING GUARDS. JUST POINTING THAT OUT. FAIR ENOUGH.

COUNCILMAN. DUKE. WHAT IS CIP? THAT'S THE NEXT ONE.

NEXT SLIDE. YEAH, THE NEXT SLIDE IT SAYS HIP78.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT'S THE WE GOT A GRANT FROM COG THROUGH THE STATE TO ENHANCE LIGHTING.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY ON 544 AND 78. BUT WE GOT A GRANT AND WE HAVE TO PAY FOR PART OF IT AND THAT'S OUR MATCH.

AND WHAT ALL DOES THAT INCLUDE? JUST TO REMIND US, TOMMY, YOU WANT TO COME ANSWER THAT? WHERE'S TOMMY? IS THAT STREET LIGHTING BUT ALSO THE LIGHTS BEING SYNCED.

SO THAT'S. YEAH, THAT'S STREET LIGHTING AND GETTING COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE CITY. OKAY.

STREET LIGHTING AND COMMUNICATION IN BETWEEN THE SIGNAL LIGHTS.

OKAY. DOES THAT, DOES THAT HELP YOU, SIR? OKAY.

YES. THANK YOU. BUT. DO YOU WANT SOME FEEDBACK AT THIS POINT? DO YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL THE END, MADAM MAYOR? HOWEVER, Y'ALL WANT TO DO IT? I'M FINE WITH THAT.

WHAT? HE SAID. LET'S WAIT TILL THE END. I'M FINE WITH LETTING YOU GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

SO WE KNOW EVERYTHING WE'RE CHEWING ON. HERE'S A P F CO REQUEST.

AGAIN, THESE ARE ITEMS THAT HAVE A LONG LIFESPAN.

WE'VE BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF REPLACING OUR OUTDOOR WARNING SIRENS.

THIS IS TO REPLACE THE FINAL ONE. THE HYDRAULIC RESCUE TOOLS ON THE FIRE TRUCKS.

I THINK THIS ONE REPLACES ONE THAT'S 20 YEARS OLD.

THE SCBAS ARE SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS FOR ALL THE FIREFIGHTERS.

2027 AMBULANCE. AND THEN THE RADIO REPLACEMENT.

CURRENTLY, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BUDGETS TO REPLACE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF RADIOS EVERY YEAR.

WE JUST PUT THIS IN HERE. THIS WOULD REPLACE ALL OF THEM.

WE PUT THIS IN HERE JUST AS A, AS A POSSIBILITY TO USE PEFKOS.

OKAY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION RELATED TO THAT THEN? IS THERE STILL MONEY IN THE BUDGET ASSUMING THAT FOR THE STANDARD CYCLE, RIGHT? YES, YES. I JUST MADE SURE THAT HADN'T BEEN PULLED OUT IN EXPECTATION OF THAT.

NO, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THAT WAS ALL FOR THE GENERAL FUND.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO STOP HERE OR IF YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING. YEAH, I THINK LET'S DO IT BY FUND JUST SO THAT WE DON'T GET ANYTHING CROSSED.

I'LL BE BRAVE AND JUST. I'LL GO FIRST ON IT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU NEED SOME DIRECTION.

I THINK THE FIRST BIT OF DIRECTION HAS TO DO WITH OUR MARKET STUDIES AND THOSE THINGS.

AS I'VE INDICATED TO YOU, I KNOW I'VE LET YOU KNOW OR I THINK I DID, I APOLOGIZE IF I HAVEN'T I BELIEVE AT THIS TIME, BASED ON CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU'VE HAD AND PRESENTED AS WELL, SOME OF THE CITIES THAT ARE IN OUR PEER CITIES WERE THERE FOR THEIR JUST A LOT LARGER.

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AND I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT CITY EVERYONE IS IN, BUT THAT DRIVES THAT REVENUE AT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LEVEL.

I THINK YOU MADE THE POINT THAT SOME OF THOSE CITIES GET COMPARED TO US, AND THEY HAVE A TAX RATE 15 $0.20 LOWER.

BUT THAT'S THE SAME THING, IS THAT THEIR TAX BASE IS JUST ON A WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL OF WHAT THEY'RE BRINGING IN, BOTH SALES AND PROPERTY. AND SO I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK WE PAUSE ON THAT AND REEXAMINE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD SAY ON THAT.

IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T WANT TO BE COMPETITIVE.

I WANT, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING IN A REALISTIC SITUATION.

AND, AND FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I DO SUPPORT THE ESTIMATED VOTER APPROVAL RATE.

I'M NOT A FAN OF HAVING TO POTENTIALLY PAY MORE MONEY IN TAXES BECAUSE IT AFFECTS ME JUST LIKE IT DOES EVERYONE ELSE.

BUT I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT WITH THAT, THE PROPOSED BUDGET INCREASE IS UNDER 3%.

I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T COME TO WORK AND WANT TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET REWARDED.

MERIT IS BASED ON THAT. THE STEP PLAN, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IS AN AGREEMENT THAT WE'VE MADE WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY TO REWARD THEM FOR YEARS OF SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDE TO THE CITY. SO THOSE AND THE INSURANCE.

I KNOW YOU'VE ALSO SENT US EXTENSIVE INFORMATION ABOUT INSURANCE.

I WOULD LIKE TO DIG INTO THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU DIG INTO IT.

WHEN WE'RE THIS FAR INTO THE BUDGET, WE'VE ALREADY GOT RENEWAL TERMS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO REALLY DIG INTO AND LOOK AT EVERYONE AROUND US AND EXACTLY WHERE WE STACK UP. BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK YOU SPRING THAT ON PEOPLE AT THE LAST MINUTE.

I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THAT POINT. I THINK IT WARRANTS A DEEPER DIVE, A DEEPER DISCUSSION.

AND I DON'T THINK TWO MONTHS OR WHATEVER IT IS UNTIL WE HAVE TO, IS IT JULY THAT WE VOTE OR I DON'T REMEMBER EXACT TIME THAT WE GOT TO POST THE BUDGET AND ALL THAT SHORTLY. I DON'T THINK NOW IS THE TIME TO TRY TO OVERHAUL POLICIES.

AND BY POLICY I MEAN INSURANCE POLICIES. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE GO THROUGH.

AND LOOK AT THAT AGAIN. IT MAY BE FIVE WORK SESSIONS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE JUST KIND OF WORK THROUGH WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE, WHERE THE PEER CITIES ARE THAT COME OUT OF THAT MARKET STUDY OR THAT OF A RELOOK AT THAT.

SO I THINK THERE'S SOME DOMINOES, BUT FOR THIS YEAR, I THINK WE GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF THE INSURANCE.

WE DO THE STEP. WE DO THE MERIT. FROM MY CALCULATIONS, THAT PUTS US AT ABOUT 9.91338 AND $0.40 BALLPARK.

I'M JUST TAKING 80% OF THE 15% AND PUTTING THAT SAVINGS OVER THERE WITH THE MONEY YOU INDICATED.

WITH THAT MONEY BEING THERE, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE CROSSING GUARDS.

I'M GOING TO CALL OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THAT MONEY GO TO.

I THINK THE CIP ON 78 IS, IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE INCLUDED.

WELL, WE HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S A. WE ALREADY GOT THE GRANT.

I KNOW I'M I'M JUST SAYING, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE, THE 990 MINUS THE 20, LET'S CALL IT THE 970 ISH AFTER THE CROSSING GUARDS, YOU KNOW, I JUST MY COLLEAGUES AS WELL, JUST THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT. WE CONSISTENTLY HEAR FROM OUR POPULATION AS WELL AS PEOPLE THAT VISIT THAT THEY HATE GETTING STUCK AT A LIGHT, THAT THEY'RE NOT SYNCED UP. I THINK IT ADDRESSES THAT IN A IN A POSITIVE MANNER.

AND LIKE YOU SAID, IN A WAY WHERE WE'RE NOT FOOTING THE ENTIRE BILL.

SO I THINK FOR ME THAT THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.

AS FAR AS ONE TIME USES BEYOND THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US CONSIDER ADDING 50 TO $100,000 TO GENERAL STREETS MAINTENANCE. IF THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE PUT ONTO THE BOND.

OBVIOUSLY THOSE COSTS GO UP EVERY YEAR AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DROP MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GO INTO FUND BALANCE FOR MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

BUT IF WE TRY TO INCREMENTALLY ADD 50 TO $100,000 A YEAR, IT WILL SLOWLY GROW UP TO BE A LARGER AMOUNT TO ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE TO KEEP UP BETTER, OR EVEN JUST KEEP UP WITH THE INCREASING COSTS THAT WE SEE.

[04:35:02]

I KNOW THAT ONE ISN'T LISTED, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT BASED ON THE BOND COMMITTEE AND THE FEEDBACK.

NOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A BASIC NEED TO MAKE SURE THE ROADS ARE FUNCTIONAL.

AND IT'S A NOT I'M NOT ASKING TO USE A HUGE CHUNK, BUT PUTTING 5 TO 10% OF, OF THAT MONEY INTO RECURRING THAT GOES TOWARDS THAT BUDGET ITEM SPECIFICALLY. I THINK HELPS US BUILD OVER TIME SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S 1,000,001 AFTER THIS YEAR, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A MILLION RIGHT NOW. MAYBE IT GETS 50 ANOTHER YEAR, 50 IN 3 YEARS.

ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE AT 1.2, 1.3, AND YOU'VE REALLY LET IT GROW, BUT YOU HAVEN'T TRIED TO TAKE THE WHOLE THING ON AT ONCE.

SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD PROVIDE THERE. DO YOU WANT ME TO STOP AND OR GO THROUGH PEFKOS AS WELL? WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. I'LL JUST RUN IT THROUGH AND JUST GIVE YOU ALL MY THOUGHTS AND LET EVERYONE ELSE TALK AFTER THAT.

SO I'M VERY SENSITIVE. WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THE EXCHANGE RATE? I KNOW IT'S A WRONG TERM, BUT IT'S LATE. WHAT? WHAT WAS THE. HOW MUCH PEFKO MONEY EQUAL TO? I DON'T REMEMBER OFFHAND.

I'M SORRY. THE TAX RATES. WHAT WERE THE. WHAT WERE THE 3.8 INCREASE POINT $0.06 0.6 OF A PENNY TO SUPPORT ALL OF THOSE. SO REALLY, I'M TORN.

I DON'T WANT TO GO DEEP INTO THE BUDGET. I THINK BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY ROTATING THE RADIOS.

UNLESS THAT'S AN EMERGENCY ITEM AND YOU DIDN'T INDICATE IT THAT IT WAS THAT AND I WOULD PROBABLY HOLD ON THE MOBILE COMMAND NEEDS TO BE DONE.

I'M NOT ARGUING THAT. NOW WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THE OTHERS, THEY JUST SEEM A LITTLE BIT MORE URGENT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT'S THE SAFETY OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS, THE HYDRAULIC, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT I WOULD CALL LAYMAN LIKE A JAWS OF LIFE TYPE THING. YES, I'M GETTING A NOD. I THINK I THINK PEOPLE, IF THEY'RE TRAPPED IN A CAR, WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A WAY TO GET OUT.

I THINK OUTDOOR WARNING SIRENS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT.

AND FRANKLY, WITH THE ESCALATING COSTS OF AMBULANCES AND I MEAN, WE JUST HEARD TWO THIRDS OF OUR CALLS ARE BY EMS. I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THOSE. I WOULD DEFER TO MY COLLEAGUES ON IF WE WANT TO DO ALL PEFKO FOR THOSE OR IF WE WANT TO TRY TO USE SOME FUND BALANCE, STILL STAYING ABOVE THAT 30%, BECAUSE I THINK IF IT'S 3.8, THAT'S 1.81, IT'S 1.853. IF YOU CUT OUT THE MOBILE COMMAND AND THE RADIOS.

SO IT'S ABOUT 2 MILLION. WHAT WAS THE I APOLOGIZE, I'M TRYING TO SCROLL UP.

SO THAT WOULD STILL KEEP US ABOVE THE 30% BY 1.4 MILLION.

SO AND I KNOW IT'S NOT EXACT. IT'S LIKE 1.8 AND CHANGE AND IT'S 3.2 DROPS US TO THE 30%.

THAT WOULD BE I WOULD USE FUND BALANCE AND KIND OF SPLIT THE BABY THERE TO STILL STAY WELL OVER A MILLION NORTH OF THE 30% TO ENSURE WE'RE NOT MESSING WITH DROPPING UNDER 30% BEFORE A BOND.

AND THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATIONS OR FEEDBACK.

IS THERE ANYTHING I MISSED THAT YOU WOULD LIKE? NO, JUST JUST TO WELL, WE'LL GO THROUGH EVERYBODY AND THEN I'LL JUST I'M HAPPY TO RECAP.

NO, BUT GOOD. WELL, THERE I WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING.

I WENT FIRST. SO I'M GOING TO ASK MY COLLEAGUES IF YOU HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS.

OTHER SUGGESTIONS. COUNCILMAN PICKENS THAT'S A SOLID PLAN.

I AGREE WITH YOU. OKAY. OTHERS. MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU MAYOR. I DO AGREE MY CONVERSATION WITH BRENDAN, MY ONE ON ONE, IT'S REALLY TOUGH BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STAFF FEELS THAT THEY'RE APPRECIATED, APPRECIATED IN ALL SENSE OF THE WORD, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT BY IT. I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, OVERHAULING A LOT OF THINGS, BUT WE CAN'T DO IT LAST MINUTE AND PUT PEOPLE IN POSITIONS THAT HAVE CERTAIN THINGS WITHIN DIFFERENT PLANS THAT WE HAVE HEALTH AND WHATNOT.

SO HAVING THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT AFTER WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET AND LOOK AT ALL THAT, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO HELP A LOT IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THE BUDGET AND MAKING UP IN TERMS OF IN TERMS OF THE PAY AND PUBLIC SAFETY PAY PLAN.

SO I THINK FOR THIS YEAR, I'M ALIGNED WITH YOU ON TRYING TO RELOOK AT SOME OF THE PEER CITIES AND TRYING TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE PLANS.

I'M ALIGNED IN TERMS OF VOTER APPROVAL RATE. ONE THING I DO NOT WANT TO USE P F? I WANT TO USE OUR FUND BALANCE. I DON'T MIND DROPPING IT DOWN TO ALL THE WAY TO 25% ON ONE TIME EXPENSES.

[04:40:06]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE THAT OUT BASED ON THAT, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE AT LEAST 5 MILLION OF THE BASE BUDGET OR THE THE GENERAL BUDGET FUND CAN BE USED FOR ONE TIME EXPENSES.

AND I THINK WE CAN GO THROUGH IT, INCLUDING PEFKOS THINGS THAT ARE IN THAT.

AND THEN ONE TIME BUDGET REQUESTS. ONE THING THAT I LOOKED AT HERE THAT I KNOW YOU'RE NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, I DIDN'T KNOW IT SAYS FIRE RELIEF FIREFIGHTERS TIMES THREE OFFSET WITH DECREASING OVERTIME.

IT'S THE IT SAYS 39,000. SO I'M ASSUMING THE BALANCE OF THAT WOULD BE TAKEN OUT OF THEIR OVERTIME BUDGET.

SO WE GET THREE NEW FIREFIGHTERS. BASE BUDGET INCREASES BY 39,000.

YES. FOR INCREASES FOR FOR ONE YEAR. YES. BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE WHEN YOU HIRE NEW PEOPLE, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR BENEFITS.

WE, THEY, THEY CREATE OVERTIME BECAUSE THEY ACCRUE VACATION AND SICK TIME.

YEAH. SO AT SOME POINT, THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE VACANCIES.

YEAH. SO I, I PERSONALLY DO NOT LIKE TO SAY THAT THE OVERTIME IS GOING TO DECREASE BECAUSE THAT IS TRUE FOR ONE YEAR, BUT OVER TIME IT WILL INCREMENTALLY INCREASE.

WELL, I'LL LET YOU MAKE THAT DECISION. IT JUST CAUGHT MY EYE WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT.

AND I'LL LET YOU LOOK AT WHAT THAT I MEAN, THERE IS A POINT THERE WHERE YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE HEALTH OF A FIREFIGHTER AND MAKE SURE AND THE BALANCE OF WORKING TOO MUCH OR WHATEVER.

AND I'M NOT SURE WE'RE THERE YET. LIKE I SAID, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND AS WELL AS WHEN WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT THE MS AND THE CALLS, THE MAJORITY OF CALLS COMING IN AND DISPATCHING AND WHATNOT, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THREE POSITIONS OF EMT PARAMEDICS AT 33,000.

I'M ASSUMING THAT HAS TO DO SOME OVERTIME. SO I'D LIKE I'D LET YOU LOOK AT IT.

I DO AGREE THAT SOME MONEY SHOULD GO INTO THE STREETS AND ALLEYS AND WHATNOT.

IT ALLOWS US TO DO SOME THINGS, POTHOLES, THINGS THAT WE DID THIS TIME AROUND WHERE WE HAD TO DO CULVERTS AND WE TOOK THERE WAS A POTHOLE AND IT TURNED INTO REPLACING THE WHOLE COHORT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT ALLOWS US ON A BASE BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT EXTRA, TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE THINGS. I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'RE NORMALLY RUNNING WITH A BALANCED BUDGET AND WE HAVE ZERO MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO THESE THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP IN EVERYDAY BASIS.

BUT YEAH, I MEAN, HOWEVER WE WANT TO DO IT. I'M NOT MARRIED TO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ONE TIME EXPENSES.

I THINK WE SHOULD USE SOME OF THE FUND BALANCE. WE HAVE VERY, VERY HEALTHY FUND BALANCE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS YEAR'S FUND BALANCE, WE HAVE $863,616 THAT CAME IN THAT WERE OVER WHAT WE PROJECTED TO THE FUND BALANCE. THAT'S WHAT THE MAYOR WAS.

YEAH, I WAS SAYING IT'S IT'S ABOUT 991 WITH THE DIFFERENCE IN THE INSURANCE.

AND SO WITH THE CROSSING GUARDS AT 970, THAT WAS WHY I SAID, OTHER THAN THE H CIP AND THE 50 TO 100, HE. MR. PARKER HAD INDICATED HE WASN'T GOING TO GENERALLY RECOMMEND ANY PERSONNEL, SO I FIGURED THAT LEAVES HIM ABOUT 700 ZERO ZERO $0, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE TO GO THROUGH AND PICK THE MOST IMPORTANT OUT OF THE ONE TIME.

AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, I'D LIKE TO LEAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT FOR UNEXPECTED EXPENSES THAT WE HAVE WITH DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP, THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO PAY FOR STREETS, ALLEYS, LIGHTS.

SO JUST TO GET YOUR YES OR NO, I GUESS ON THIS, BASED ON THE MAYOR CROSSING GUARDS.

ARE YOU OKAY? I'M GOOD WITH THAT. THE GRANT. THE GRANT? SO THAT SHOULD BE A ONE TIME EXPENSE? YES, SIR.

THAT'S A ONE TIME EXPENSE. ARE WE NOT? WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE BASE BUDGET OR WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT FROM.

IT WOULD COME OUT OF THAT 991 THAT IS LEFT OVER TO PAY FOR EITHER NEW POSITIONS OR ONE TIME EXPENSES.

SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE MONEY THAT'S LEFT OVER AFTER RAISING TAXES THAT CAN BE USED AFTER INCREASED REVENUE.

BUT THAT IS THE BASE BUDGET. SO I DON'T KNOW.

BUT THEN NEXT YEAR. WELL, WE ALWAYS WANT TO BUILD IN FOR NEXT THAT GAP TO BE ABLE TO DO.

THEN HE CAN USE IT. WE CAN USE IT ON SOMETHING ELSE NEXT YEAR.

AND I WROTE DOWN 100,000 FOR STREET MAINTENANCE.

I'M GOOD WITH THAT. AND YOU SAID NO ON THE BBFC.

OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ANY OF THE PPF FUND BALANCE AS I SUGGESTED OR PREFER NOT TO?

[04:45:01]

THE RADIOS. THEY'RE REPLACING A FEW A YEAR. HE HAD SAID NO TO THE PPF.

OKAY. THE. THE PEFKOS AND ONE TIME EXPENSES I WOULD.

I WOULD USE FUND BALANCE. THAT WAS THAT WAS MY $5 MILLION.

I, I'M OKAY WITH DRAWING DOWN THE FUND BALANCE UP TO $5 MILLION ON ONE TIME EXPENSES.

OKAY. I HAD SAID AT 1.853 IS WHAT I HAD SAID.

SO. SO YOU WANT TO DRAW THE FUND BALANCE DOWN AND NOT USE PEFKOS.

AND THAT COUNCILMAN PICKENS IS THE SAME THING.

OKAY. YEAH. ON THE 1.853, THAT WAS THE OUTDOOR WARNING HYDRAULIC RESCUE SCUBA AND 2027.

BUT THERE IS OTHER ONE TIME, ONE TIME USES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED.

NOT ALL OF THEM WILL BE APPROVED, BUT THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED IT LEAVES HIM 700 TO.

WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW WE WANT TO USE IT, AND I'LL LET BRANT DO WHATEVER RECOMMENDS.

THAT IS THE BEST WAY FORWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND YOU'RE OKAY NOT DOING THE MOBILE COMMAND POST AND THE RADIO REPLACEMENT.

YEAH. I MEAN, IF IF WE'RE HAVING MONEY ON THE BUDGET AND WE'RE NOT DOING A PEFKOS, THEN I THINK THAT COMES IN AS WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR MANY YEARS NOW.

OH I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. PUBLIC SAFETY STEP PLAN.

I'M GOOD ADJUSTMENT. I'M I'M GOOD WITH PUBLIC SAFETY STEP PLAN.

I'M GOOD WITH THE THE 637 KNOW THAT ONE FOR THIS YEAR UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH HOW THE INSURANCE PLAN IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND ALL THAT. SO I DON'T WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY, LET'S LOOK AT THE INSURANCE PLAN.

AND EVERYBODY HAS TO SCRAMBLE LAST MINUTE ABOUT FIGURING OUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THEM.

SO I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. I'D RATHER GIVE PEOPLE PLENTY OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST TO WHATEVER WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING, AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY THEY KNOW WHAT'S COMING AND WHAT'S NOT COMING.

WHATEVER THEY MAY LOOK LIKE, IT MAY NOT CHANGE AT ALL. BUT JUST FROM WHAT YOU SENT US AND LOOKING AT OVER DIFFERENT THINGS AND HAVING THE ABILITY TO PICK AND GIVE AMPLE TIME FOR EVERYBODY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, YOU HAD BEEN LIT UP.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET THIS OUT WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.

I TEND TO BE GOOD ABOUT NOT DOING THAT. IT MAY MAKE SENSE UP HERE.

SO I AM WITH MAYOR ON I THINK THE CEOS CAN BE A TRAP FOR US BECAUSE OF THE LONG TERM. AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT BONDS THAT ARE LONG TERM.

WE JUST KEEP EXTENDING DEBT. SO I'D RATHER WAIT ON THE FULL RADIO REPLACEMENT AND THE MOBILE COMMAND, BUT GET THE OTHER ONES, WHICH IS THE 1.8 IN. EVEN IF WE END UP USING GENERAL FUND BALANCE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE ON THE RATE IS THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE OF THE, YOU KNOW, 0.547162. THAT, THAT, THAT INCLUDES LAST YEAR'S INCREASE THAT COVERED THE MS INCREASE IN THE, THE AMBULANCES AND ALL OF THAT.

CORRECT. YES. YEAH. SO THE RATES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING NOW ARE IN ADDITION TO THAT INCREASE, WHICH WE HAD A LOT OF ONE TIME EXPENSES IN THAT INCREASE.

SO OUR BUDGET THE OPERATING EXPENSES ACCORDING TO THIS ARE INCREASING BY 1.5%.

YES, SIR. ABOVE THAT, NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WHICH HAD A LOT OF THE START UP COSTS FOR MS IN IT.

AND I'M JUST MAKING A STATEMENT. I'M NOT I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION IN IT YET. OKAY.

WHEN I LOOK AT THE PROPOSED BUDGET INCREASE OF 2.81, AND I SEE THAT THE NEW DEBT IS THE 1.7.

WHAT IS THE IS THE NEW DEBT JUST RATE INCREASES? NO, THAT'S THE CONTINUED BONDS WE ARE FINISHING ISSUING FOR MCMILLAN.

AND DID WE ISSUE ANY WHAT ELSE FOR FCOFCOS STREETS, THE GENERAL STREETS FROM THE.

IT'S. IT'S THINGS FROM 2021 BOND WE'RE CONTINUING TO PUT OUT.

OKAY. SO THOSE ARE FOR FUNDS THAT HADN'T BEEN SPENT YET, BUT THEY WERE VOTED FOR OR APPROVED IN THE BUDGET, BUT THEY HADN'T BEEN SPENT. SO THAT DEBTS STILL COMING.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WHERE IS THE AND JUST HELP ME WITH THE MATH.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE .58, I GOT ABOUT HALF A PERCENT JUST BY ROUGH NUMBERS.

I HADN'T PUT A CALCULATOR TO IT. THE .581442 VERSUS THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE OF THE .54.

SO ARE YOU GETTING 2.1 INCREASE. SO THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO THE NO NEW REVENUE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE NEW DEBT ADDED CORRECT,

[04:50:07]

OKAY. I'M NOT FOLLOWING. SO YOUR NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS 2.47162.

YOU HAVE TO ADD THE 1.7 CENTS OF DEBT BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN.

BUT THAT 1.7 IS IN THE 2.81. THAT'S A I CAN'T ANSWER.

WHERE IS THE 2.81? WE'RE GETTING THE BOTTOM OF THE SAME SIDE FACTOR INCREASE FACTORS TO CONSIDER.

GO UP ONE MORE. THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. I'M GOING TO ASSUME IT'S NOT.

I'M GOING TO ASSUME IT DOESN'T INS GET RUN THROUGH A DIFFERENT FUND OR IS IT INCLUDED IN THERE.

MY ASSUMPTION WAS THE 1.7 AND THE 1.5 IS WHERE THE 2.81 COMES IN.

SO HE'S ASKING WHERE IT INDICATES THAT THERE'S A 2.81% BUDGET INCREASE.

DOES THAT OR INCLUDE THE DEBT INCREASE MONEY THAT'S COMING OR IS THE DEBT RUN THROUGH? IS THIS ONLY M AND O? SO THAT'S ONLY KNOW THAT THEY'RE DOING ON THE 2.81.

SO IT'S ONLY THE 1.72 $0.08 THAT THEY ARE SUGGESTING FOR THE V.

A ARE THE DEBT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THERE. SO WHAT IS THE 1.5 WHERE IT SAYS OPERATING EXPENSES WERE HELD TO 1.5 YEAR OVER YEAR, THE YEAR, THE INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR, THE BUDGET OPERATING EXPENSES ONLY INCREASED BY 1.5%.

AND THE 2.81 INCLUDES WHAT THE NEW MONEY. THAT'S THAT'S ALL ALL NEW MONEY COMING IN FOR.

THE HEALTH INSURANCE. THAT'S BEFORE YOU COUNT THE.

THAT'S HOW MUCH MONEY THERE IS TOTAL TO PUT TOWARDS THE STEP THE MERIT, THE INSURANCE.

ONE TIME NEW POSITIONS. OKAY. THAT'S. AND THAT INCLUDES THE 287.

THE 287 IS JUST THE EXPENSES LIKE GASOLINE, PAPER, ELECTRICITY THAT THEY'RE INCREASING.

IF NO ONE GOT A RAISE, NO ONE GOT THE. WE DIDN'T COVER THE INSURANCE, NO STEP AND NO NEW EXPENDITURES.

THEY WOULD STILL NEED THE 300. THE 287 TO COVER THE BASE BUDGET.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES TO SOME DEGREE. I'LL GO BACK AND PUT IT IN IN ORDER WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO ME, BUT IT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND THAT THE NUMBERS I WERE I WAS ADDING TOGETHER WERE THE WRONG NUMBERS TO ADD TOGETHER. BUT I STILL NEED TO GO BACK AND FIGURE OUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OPERATING EXPENSE AND WHERE THOSE COME FROM, BUT I'LL PUT THEM TOGETHER ON A SPREADSHEET, WHICH WILL HELP ME.

NOT A PROBLEM. THAT'S IT FOR NOW. OKAY. SO. SO ARE YOU GOOD WITH THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE? THE. OH, I'LL STOP THERE. ON THE, THE 581. WHATEVER, FOUR, FOUR TWO OR WHATEVER IT IS. ONE. YEAH. 1442. I THINK I WANT TO, I WANT TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WHAT IT INCLUDED LAST YEAR. AND ADDING THE DEBT BECAUSE THEN.

YOU'RE SO YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT READY TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT. I'M NOT READY TO MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT I'M OKAY WITH.

WHAT ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY PAY PLAN ADJUSTMENT OF 637,000? SO LIKE AND YOU'RE ASKING, AM I OKAY WITH THEIR.

DO YOU WANT THAT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET? I'M SURE THAT IT IS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET JUST LIKE THE STEP PLAN.

NO, IT IS NOT. THIS IS A BASED ON OUR PEER CITIES.

WE DID A SALARY SURVEY. AND TO MAINTAIN 100% OF AVERAGE, IT WOULD COST AN ADDITIONAL 637,000. THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN ADDITION TO THE MID-YEAR BUDGET INCREASE WE DID LAST YEAR.

YES. THAT WAS IN 2023. THIS IS JUST YEAH. THIS IS JUST BASED ON THE NEWEST VERSION.

THIS IS JUST BASED ON THE CURRENT. IF YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN 100% AVERAGE, THIS.

IT COSTS 637,000 TO ADJUST THEIR PAY PLAN. POLICE AND FIRE.

IF THAT'S THE NUMBER, I'M OKAY WITH IT. OKAY.

HOW DO I GET THE DETAILS OF WHAT THAT NUMBER OF HOW WE GOT TO THAT NUMBER? I CAN SEND IT TO YOU. OKAY. THAT WILL HELP, I THINK.

DID I SEND IT? I DON'T REMEMBER IF I SENT THAT TO Y'ALL OR NOT, BUT I CAN SEND IT TO YOU.

[04:55:04]

THAT IS. IT'S UNDER THE ONE TIME. IF YOU GO THE OTHER WAY.

THIS ONE HERE, IT'S THE CIP 78. THAT'S TO DO STREET LIGHTING AND SYNC THE LIGHTS ALONG HIGHWAY AND THE STRIPPING.

AND ARE YOU GOOD WITH THE ADDITIONAL 100,000 ADDED TO STREET MAINTENANCE.

YES. AND ARE YOU GOOD? USING FUND BALANCE FOR THE ITEMS LISTED, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE COMMAND POST AND THE RADIO REPLACEMENT? YES. AND IN THAT FUND BALANCE, REWINDING TO EARLIER IS THAT'S WHERE THE 700 PLUS THOUSAND THAT EAST FORK GRANTED BACK. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE FUND BALANCE.

THAT WAS WHERE THAT'S WHERE IT WENT. YEAH. WHENEVER THAT WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER IT WAS LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE, I THINK. OKAY. SO YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO CONSIDER OR.

NOTHING THAT JUMPS OUT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO ASK, ARE YOU DONE, SIR? I APOLOGIZE. OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE YOU SAID NOTHING ELSE, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF. I APOLOGIZE, COUNCILMAN DUKE YOUR THOUGHTS? I'M GOOD WITH WHAT THE MAYOR SAID.

OKAY. OKAY. COUNCILMAN. HOLD ON JUST ONE SECOND.

GO AHEAD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. NOPE, NOPE, I DON'T DISAGREE.

I SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE? NOT DOING THE PUBLIC SAFETY PAY PLAN? YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE CROSSING GUARDS, THE GRANT, THE 100 000 ADDITIONAL IN STREETS AND USING FUND BALANCE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE RADIOS AND THE MOBILE COMMAND POST.

YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN STRAIN. I AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT.

THERE WE GO. I HIT THE MAGIC BUTTON. I AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT.

EXCEPT FOR THE CROSSING GUARDS. I THINK THE SCHOOL SHOULD PAY FOR THAT.

THEY NEVER HAD PROBLEMS GETTING MORE TAX MONEY OUT OF PEOPLE. OKAY.

AND COUNCILMAN HOOVER. I'M GOOD WITH ALL OF IT.

CROSSING GUARDS. ALL THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED.

OKAY. I THINK THAT'S EVERYBODY. IT IS? YES, SIR.

AND I THINK WE HAVE A CONSENSUS THEN. YES, SIR.

AND THEN WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO WHATEVER YOU BRING BACK AS A RECOMMENDATION.

YES. FOR THE THE REST OF THE ONE TIME, SO TO SPEAK.

YES, SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS A UTILITY FUND, WHICH IS WATER WASTEWATER.

THE ESTIMATED BEGINNING FUND BALANCE IS ABOUT 41.5 MILLION.

PROPOSED REVENUES ARE ABOUT 36 MILLION. AND PROPOSED EXPENDITURES ARE CLOSER UP TO 37 MILLION.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECURRING EXPENSES. WE DO HAVE A FEW ONE TIME EXPENSES.

AND THEN THE ESTIMATED ENDING FUND BALANCE IS ABOUT 40.5 MILLION.

THIS DOES ASSUME THE 5.15 WATER AND SEWER RATE INCREASE.

PER THE STUDY THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL IN 2025.

CAN I ASK A QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTION ON THAT? I KNOW THEY WERE DOING THE BIG EXPANSION FOR.

THE SEWER TREATMENT PLANT THAT EAST FORK OR NOT, EAST FORK NORTH, THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT.

SORRY, THE HEAT KILLS ME. IS THAT ALREADY KICKING IN? YES. OKAY. THE PAYMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING FOR OUR PORTION OF THAT, THAT IS INCLUDED.

OKAY. THEY ARE. THEY INCREASE EVERY YEAR. BUT YES, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE INCREASING AS WELL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN COVER THOSE.

I JUST WAS. TRYING TO MAKE SURE I REMEMBER THAT THOSE HAVE COME IN.

SO THAT WAS THE LARGE EXPANSION. EXPANSION TO THE MUDDY CREEK WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

IS THAT WHAT THEY CALL IT DOWN OFF PLEASANT VALLEY? AND THAT WAS A SPLIT PAYMENT BETWEEN OURSELVES AND MURPHY BASED ON CITY SIZE.

I'M JUST FOR ANYONE THAT'S NEW ON THE COUNCIL, IT HAD TO BE EXPANDED BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE TWO CITIES HAVE GROWN QUITE A BIT.

NEITHER CITY TREATS ITS OWN SEWAGE. WE CONTRACT WITH THE WATER DISTRICT AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT ACTUALLY CAME IN LESS THAN THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO ORIGINALLY.

I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I CAN SAY THAT ABOUT THE PROJECT WITH THEM, BUT WE APPRECIATE IT.

AND BUT THAT IS BUILT INTO THE RATES THAT WE'RE PAYING THERE.

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AND WE ALSO PLAY LIKE RIGHT NOW, I KNOW TOMMY'S WORKING ON HILLTOP AND BRIARWOOD, SOME OF THE OLDER STREETS TO REPLACE WATER LINES OVER THERE AND ALL THAT STUFF GETS PAID. NOW, ONE THING THAT FOR Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION WITH THIS BOND IF THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING MAKES IT TO THE BOND BALLOT AND PASSES TWO THIRDS OF THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, THE DEBT PAYMENT PORTION OF IT COULD BE PAID FOR OUT OF THE UTILITY FUND.

IF WE, IF ALL 110 MILLION PASSED OR HOWEVER, WHATEVER THE TOTAL IS RIGHT NOW, I'M USING 110 MILLION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS ON THE SLIDE. I KNOW THE DEBT PAYMENT ON THAT'S ABOUT 9 MILLION.

SO ABOUT A MILLION OF THAT WOULD, COULD BE PAID FOR OUT OF THE UTILITY FUND BECAUSE IT'S WATER AND WASTEWATER, WHICH IS ABOUT A PENNY THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO ISSUE DEBT FOR.

SO OKAY, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. TWO THIRD OF THE WHOLE.

I HAVE TO ASK YOU IF YOU'LL BUZZ IN JUST SO THAT IT CAN PICK YOU UP TO TWO THIRDS OF THE WHOLE COST CAN BE $20 MILLION, 20 MILLION. OKAY. SO JUST THAT DEBT PAYMENT FOR THAT ONE.

NOW, I HAVE A QUESTION. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE A LARGE FUND BALANCE HERE.

DO WE HAVE LARGE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE EXPECTING OR SEVERAL LARGE PROJECTS.

THAT'S OUR WATER STUDIES ARE WHENEVER THEY DO THE WATER RATE STUDIES AND SEWER RATE STUDIES, THEY PUT OUR WE GIVE THEM A LIST OF PROJECTS.

AND I MEAN, A LOT OF THE OLDER SIDE OF TOWN NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

I MEAN, WAS IT LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE THEY HIT SOME CLAY PIPE? SO I MEAN, WELL, I KNEW THERE WAS SEVERAL MILLION.

THOSE ARE TYPICALLY A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS EACH.

AND I THINK TOMMY LAID THOSE OUT. OR WAS IT TOMMY? APOLOGIZE, I DON'T KNOW. IT WAS LAID OUT FOR SEVERAL YEARS WORTH OF PLANS.

I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS SOMETHING WHERE, LET'S SAY THAT'S $8 MILLION.

THAT STILL LEAVES US 32 MILLION IN THERE. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN JUST USE SOME OF THE FUND BALANCE TO COVER A CHUNK OF THAT BUILDING.

UP. I'M ASSUMING IT WOULD BE THE SAME TWO THIRDS RULE.

WE CAN CHECK AND SEE. YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING AGAIN.

I'M JUST TRYING TO CREATIVELY THINK ABOUT WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE THAT DON'T THAT LOWER THE TOTAL ASK OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE ON A BALLOT POTENTIALLY.

YEAH. AND THEN IF IT DOESN'T PASS, THEN YOU DON'T TAKE THE MONEY OUT.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT. SO OKAY.

THANK YOU. THESE ARE THE REQUESTS AND THE UTILITY FUND.

AND I CAN. READ THE DESCRIPTION OUT OF THE BUDGET BOOK IF YOU WANT ME TO, OR TOMMY CAN COME ASK.

ANSWER. I KNOW SCADA HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE THE WATER SYSTEM, WASTEWATER MEASURING OUR DESIGN MANUAL. I'LL JUST GET MY BOOK RIGHT QUICK.

TELL YOU, IT'S I MEAN, TOMMY'S BACK THERE SMILING.

I KNOW THAT'S WHAT HE DOES. THANK YOU. DID YOU EVER HIT THE A C BUTTON? GETS BACK THERE AND SMILES. LET'S SEE HERE.

SO THE PUMP CAM REHAB. IT'S 224 INCH PUMP CANS THAT HAVE PREVIOUSLY UNDERGONE PATCHING AND WELDING REPAIRS DUE TO CORROSION AND LEAKAGE.

THESE PRIOR TEMPORARY REPAIRS HAVE NOT PROVIDED LONG TERM SOLUTION.

AND FURTHER REHAB IS NECESSARY. IS THAT LIKE WHERE THE SLUDGE ACCUMULATES BEFORE IT GETS PUMPED FURTHER? TOMMY, YOU HAVE TO COME DOWN HERE AND ANSWER THESE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. SORRY. I JUST IF SOMEBODY ASKED ME, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT A PUMP. I DON'T WORK IN WASTEWATER, SO THIS GUY CAN ANSWER THEM FOR YOU.

YEAH. SO OUR PUMPKINS THEY'RE ACTUALLY FOR WATER DISTRIBUTION.

OKAY. SO THEY'RE NOT FOR WASTEWATER. SO IN OUR PUMPS, IN OUR WATER PUMP STATIONS, WE HAVE PUMPS THAT PUMP FROM OUR FROM OUR GROUND STORAGE TANK AND PUMP OUT INTO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. THESE ARE THE PUMPKINS ARE THE LINERS THAT ARE IN THOSE VERTICAL PUMPS.

SO WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES IN THE PAST WHERE WE'VE HAD SOME LEAKAGE.

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AND SO THIS REPLACES THOSE. SO THIS IS A WHOLE NEW LINER IN THOSE.

YES. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. MIGHT AS WELL EXPLAIN THE REST OF THOSE.

I'M ASSUMING THE FLOW METER MEASURES THAT STUFF.

SO OUR FLOW METERS. YES. SO WE, WE CURRENTLY OUR PUMP STATIONS, WE TAKE WATER IN FROM NORTH TEXAS.

NORTH TEXAS IS GREAT. THEY HAVE METERS ON THEIR SIDE.

WE DON'T HAVE METERS ON OUR SIDE. SO THIS WOULD BE THE OLD TRUST BUT VERIFY.

YES. OUR ENGINEERING DESIGN MANUALS THOSE WERE LAST UPDATED IN 2005.

CONSTRUCTION HAS IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME 21 YEARS LATER.

SURE. YES. IT WAS A JOKE. IT WAS OKAY. YEAH. IT WAS, IT WAS A JOKE.

AND THEN OUR OUR SKATE UPGRADE. SO THIS IS ON A WASTEWATER SIDE.

SO THIS IS HOW WE OPERATE OUR WASTEWATER. LIFT STATIONS ARE CURRENT CURRENTLY.

WE HAVE NO. WE CAN SEE THAT SOMETHING'S RUNNING.

WE CAN'T WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING REMOTELY. WE HAVE TO BE ON SITE TO ACTUALLY TURN A PUMP ON, TURN A PUMP OFF.

SO THIS JOINS THE 21ST CENTURY AND LETS YOU GUYS ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO REAL TIME MONITOR AND ADJUST THINGS TO DO WITH THE WASTEWATER PUMP STATIONS.

YEP. FAIR ENOUGH. OKAY. PERFECT. THAT HELPS. MAYOR PRO TEM TOMMY, CAN WE BUY SMALLER, LIKE SLOWER METERS, THEN? SURE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE REQUESTS THAT ARE HERE, THAT ARE LISTED HERE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE UTILITY FUND? IF I DON'T SEE ANY, THEN I'M GOING TO ASSUME WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT AND MOVING ON.

ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? NO FOR B SIR. FOR B BEGINNING FUND BALANCE.

ABOUT 4 MILLION PROPOSED REVENUES ARE ABOUT 6.7 MILLION.

EXPENDITURES ARE ABOUT 6.1 MILLION. AND WE HAVE ABOUT 189,000 IN ONE TIME EXPENSES WITH AN ESTIMATED ENDING FUND BALANCE OF 4.3 MILLION.

AND WE'RE ONLY REFERRED BACK TO A COUPLE OF SLIDES.

WE'RE ONLY RECOMMENDING A 2% INCREASE IN SALES TAX GROWTH.

SO HERE'S THE TWO REQUESTS OUT OF FOUR B ONE OF MS A ANDND I, I, I BUT THE TWO FOR FOUR B IS SHADE AT VALENTINE PLAYGROUND AND THEN REPLACEMENT OF THE GYM CURTAIN.

IS THE ORIGINAL GYM CURTAIN FROM WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BUILT AND IT'S BEGINNING TO RIP.

SO THAT'S THE TWO REQUESTS THERE. AND THEN OUT OF THE, A ANY FUND IS TO DO A POURED IN PLACE SERVICE AT VALENTINE PARK, WHICH IS THE SPONGY SURFACE THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE AN OLD CITY PARK GETS RID OF THE WOOD CHIPS.

YES, SIR. SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION RELATED TO FOR B THEN.

SURE. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE PROPOSED REVENUES HIGHER THAN PROPOSED EXPENDITURES THERE.

WHAT I KNOW WE'VE I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FALLEN OFF OR FALLS OFF.

WE'VE HAD DEBT THAT THE FOUR B HAS SUPPORTED IN THE PAST.

ARE YOU ALREADY GOING MAYOR. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD.

SO APOLOGIES FOR B CAN SUPPORT ABOUT 7 MILLION IN DEBT.

SO AND AGAIN, IF, IF THE BOND WERE TO PASS AND PART OF THAT OR THAT DEBT PAYMENT COULD BE PAID FOR USING FOR B.

AND RELATED TO THAT, I HAD A QUESTION AGAIN, AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO TRY TO PROVIDE THEM.

I KNOW YOU'RE SHOCKED SHOCKED A QUESTION. IT'S A REAL QUICK QUESTION.

IT'S JUST HOW DO YOU ISSUE FOR B DEBT DIRECTLY? IS THAT DONE THROUGH A CO PROCESS. IS IT A VOTE.

IS IT A VOTE BY THE FOR B THAT THEN GETS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

WHAT IS THE PROCESS. SO IF FOR B WERE TO ISSUE DEBT I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE FOR B BOARD AND COUNCIL BUT THE PROCESS WOULD BE THE SAME.

YOU WOULD ISSUE MOST LIKELY GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS BECAUSE THEY'RE CHEAPER THAN LIKE A REVENUE BOND.

SO THE PROCESS WOULD BE THE SAME AND YOU WOULD STILL USE AS A SECONDARY THE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT OF THE CITY SO THAT YOU GET A GOOD RATE.

GET A BETTER RATE? YES. OKAY. BUT DOES THAT COUNT AGAINST US WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER BONDS?

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TWO WEEKS LATER, THE COUNCIL SAYS YES AND WE GO AND TAKE IT TO THE BOND COUNCIL.

THEY GET IT APPROVED, WORKED UP BY ALL THAT STUFF, AND THEN WE GET APPROVED TO ISSUE OTHER DEBT.

IS THE FACT THAT THAT 7 MILLION HAS A SECONDARY BACKUP THROUGH THE CITY GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR PERCEPTION FROM THE BOND AGENCIES ON THE THE ON THE OTHER DEBT? THAT'S TRUE.

GENERAL DEBT. NO IT WON'T. THAT'S ALL I WAS ASKING.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S THE LAST SLIDE.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR MAYOR PRO TEM I JUST WANT TO ADD SOMETHING.

SO IF WE TAKE THE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE TO PUT OUT THE BUILDING.

ANY IMPROVEMENTS FOR PARKS ON THE BOND AND ANY IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING? PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE PUBLIC UTILITY FUND BEING ABLE TO SUPPORT 75% OF THE 20 MILLION KNOW THE OF THE DEBT PAYMENT. THE DEBT PAYMENT. CORRECT. NOW THAT STILL GOES ON THE BOND.

OR CAN WE DO CEOS AND USE UTILITY INSTEAD OF GOING, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A BETTER RATE GOING TO DOING GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS AND CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION.

BUT WE COULD STILL DO THAT AS A CEO? NO. WITHOUT GOING TO THE VOTERS ISSUE FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING AND FOR THE PARKS USING FOR B. I WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY IF IT QUALIFIES FOR A.

THAT'D BE GREAT, BUT I DON'T I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT COMING OUT OF. ARE YOU ASKING TO ISSUE ALMOST A UTILITY BOND FOR A PORTION OF THE PAYMENT? CORRECT. SO THAT I THINK HE'S. INSTEAD OF GOING OUT, INSTEAD OF GOING OUT WITH A $100 MILLION BOND, WE'RE GOING OUT WITH $70 MILLION BONDS. YEAH.

I THINK WHAT HE'S. AM I CORRECT THAT I'M SAYING WHATEVER.

TWO I'M GOING TO CALL IT 10,000,015. WHATEVER HE'S SAYING.

COULD THAT BE ISSUED SOMEHOW THROUGH UTILITY BOND LIKE WE'VE DISCUSSED, DOING UTILITY BONDS FOR CERTAIN THINGS THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM GOING ON A BALLOT TO THE VOTERS AND THEN BEING SUPPORTED THROUGH UTILITY FUNDING.

IF YOU WANT TO SPLIT THE WAY THAT YOUR YOUR BOND PAYMENTS ARE SUPPORTED, YOU COULD STILL DO ONE ISSUE.

YOU COULD STILL DO ONE BIG ISSUE AND YOU WOULD YOU WOULD ASSIGN THE DEBT TO EITHER UTILITY FUND FOR B OR GENERAL FUND BASED ON WHAT IT'S TRYING TO LOWER THE AMOUNT THAT THE VOTERS, THE VOTERS HAVE TO APPROVE AS COMING OUT OF THEIR PROPERTY TAX.

BECAUSE WE CAN, WE CAN EXPLAIN IT HERE THAT WE, YOU WOULDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY THAT, BUT THE VOTERS WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND.

I GUARANTEE THE STATE LANGUAGE IS GOING TO REQUIRE US TO SAY, THIS IS GOING TO COST YOU THIS MUCH TO SAY.

LOOK AT IT, SEE HOW IT LOOKS LIKE, AND THEN COME BACK AND THANK YOU FOR THE LANGUAGE ON THAT.

I WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE BOND ATTORNEY. THANK YOU.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO ISSUE UTILITY BONDS.

SO LET'S SAY IT'S 20 MILLION, BUT I'M GOING TO CALL IT 15 AND FIVE.

I KNOW THAT'S 14 AND SEVEN. WE ONLY PUT 7 MILLION ON THE BOND THAT THE CITIZENS VOTE ON.

AND IS THERE A WAY TO THEN TURN AROUND AND ISSUE THE OTHER 14 IF THAT.

SEVEN IS APPROVED DIRECTLY FROM UTILITIES SO THAT WHEN THE.

WHEN THEY LOOK AT IT, IT DOESN'T SAY, YOU MUST DO THIS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BECAUSE THE MORE WE MIGHT UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT WITH THE LIMITATIONS ON HOW ACTIVE WE CAN BE, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO EXPLAIN THAT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT IT SAYS 20 MILLION AND IT SAYS IT'S GOING TO COST YOU THIS MUCH MONEY EVERY YEAR, BUT IT'S REALLY ONLY GOING TO BE A THIRD OF THAT.

GETTING THAT OUT TO THE PERSON THAT THE AVERAGE VOTER IS GOING TO BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.

WHEREAS IF YOU CAN SAY, OH, IT'S ONLY 7 MILLION, IT'S GOING AND WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THE REST ON THE BACK END, IF IT PASSES, THEN IT'S A LITTLE ALL THEY'RE GOING TO SAY IS, WELL, THAT WAS 20, BUT NOW IT'S SEVEN.

THAT'S A GOOD DEAL, I UNDERSTAND. SO I THINK IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AT MAYOR PRO TEM.

YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THAT WILL WE'LL GET THROUGH THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT THAT ENDS WORK SESSION FOR THIS EVENING.

WE'RE WE'RE NOW DONE WITH OUR WORK SESSIONS. WE WILL NOW MOVE OUT OF WORK SESSION BACK INTO OUR REGULAR SESSION TO

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BROWN FM 1378 PARK, JACKSON OAK REGENCY STEELE STATE HIGHWAY 78, ALLEN EAST STATE HIGHWAY 78, BROWN AND STATE HIGHWAY 78, SKYVIEW, AS WELL AS 551.074.

PERSONNEL MATTERS CLOSED MEETING IS THREE. CITY MANAGER QUARTERLY EVALUATION.

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AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025-04, AS AMENDED.

CHAPTER 22 BUILDING AND BUILDING REGULATIONS ARTICLE 20 SIGN REGULATIONS, AMENDING REGULATIONS GOVERNING THE ERECTION, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION OF SIGNS DEFINING TERMS PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE WITH THE MAXIMUM FINE OF $500 SAVINGS, REPEALING CLAUSE, SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING FOR THE PUBLICATION OF THE CAPTION HEREOF. THAT IS ALL. THANK YOU, MISS STORM. WITH THAT, THAT COMPLETES OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

COUNCIL, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MAYOR PRO TEM MOTION TO ADJOURN.

MOTION TO ADJOURN. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

COUNCILMAN PICKENS SECONDS. MOTION TO ADJOURN WITH A SECOND COUNCIL.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. I GOTTA ENTER THE MEETING.

I ALMOST ABSTAIN. MOTION CARRIES 704. ADJOURN.

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