[Historic Review Commission on March 26, 2026.]
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          MEETING TO ORDER AT 601. OKAY. FIRST UP ON THE AGENDA IS COMMENTS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. AND I KNOW WE HAVE MISS DIANA HART HERE TONIGHT. IF YOU WANT TO GET UP. MA'AM, IF YOU WOULD TURN ON THE THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON ON THE SPEAKER THERE SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. THERE YOU GO. 
          OKAY. AND NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. DIANA HART, 614, EAST OAK WILEY, WHICH IS WHERE I'VE BEEN SINCE 1989. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BROUGHT US TO WILEY IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS WHEN WE SAW THAT HOUSE, WE SAW THE TREES, AND IT WAS WONDERFUL. AND THE CREEK IN THE BACK. NOW, THAT CREEK'S BEEN THERE FOR OVER 100 YEARS. IN THE LAST MORE MODERN TIMES, IT'S BEEN ACTING AS A DRAINAGE FOR THE STORM DRAIN SYSTEM THAT THE AREA. WE CAN'T USE THAT REALLY THE EASEMENT BEHIND OUR HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE FLOODS AND THE TREES, HELP KEEP AWAY EROSION AND ACTS AS A EASEMENT FOR FLOODPLAIN. THE TREES ALSO ARE A HABITAT FOR ANIMALS. WE'VE SEEN RABBITS AND POSSUMS, UNFORTUNATELY COYOTES, BUT AND RACCOONS. IT'S A. EVERY SPRING WE SEE MIGRATING BIRDS IN THOSE TREES. WE'VE SEEN HERONS AND OTHER MORE EXOTIC BIRDS. AND IT'S NICE THAT THEY HAVE A HOME TO COME TO THAT THAT AREA. AND THOSE TREES, I REALLY THINK NEED TO BE PROTECTED. AND THE AND THE EASEMENT AS A PART OF A NON A SYSTEM TO STOP EROSION IS ALSO IMPORTANT. AND I REALLY LOVE TREES. SO. IT'S A, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT TREES DON'T JUST GET ARBITRARILY CUT DOWN WITHOUT AN AGREEMENT THAT THE TREE IS NEEDS TO BE MOVED FOR SOME HIGHER PURPOSE. THAT'S REALLY, THOSE ARE THE MAIN POINTS. AND I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. CAN YOU TURN THAT OFF? OH THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU TOO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DOESN'T APPEAR ANYBODY ELSE'S HERE. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE WHERE DO THEY LIVE CONSENT. WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. I JUST WONDERED WHAT IT WAS ABOUT. IT'S ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK IT'S ABOUT. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS FIRST UP IS CONSIDER AND ACT UPON APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 2021. SEPTEMBER 25TH, 2025 HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING. AND I WANT TO SAY ONE THING WHICH I ALREADY KNOW IS THERE IS A MISTAKE ON THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN CORRECTED, WHICH GABBY ACCIDENTALLY PUT THAT SANDRA WAS CHAIR AND CALLED THE MEETING TO ORDER, BUT IT WAS ME AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN CORRECTED SO WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. BUT IF YOU WILL LOOK AT EVERYTHING ELSE, WHEN YOU DO MAKE THE MOTION, WE DO NEED TO INCLUDE AS EDITED. OKAY? OKAY. 
          OKAY. YEAH, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 25TH AS EDITED. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. SO. GOT IT. YEAH. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. PASS 5 TO 0. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE WORK SESSION, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS A DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT BUILDING GUIDEBOOK. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO AS STATED, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDEBOOK. A MISS STONE GRACIOUSLY SUPPLIED A COUPLE OF 
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GUIDE BOOKS FROM ANAHEIM, CALIFORNIA THAT I THINK ARE GREAT EXAMPLES. THE ONE THAT COVERS JUST GENERAL ARCHITECTURE IS. I INCLUDED THAT IN YOUR PACKET FOR YOUR REVIEW. AND THEN SHE ALSO PROVIDED SEVERAL OTHER ONES THAT THEY HAVE FOR VERY, FOR SPECIFIC TYPES OF STYLES THAT YOU CAN ALSO LOOK AT AS WE DO THIS DISCUSSION. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND. ONE, DO WE THINK A GUIDEBOOK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL? WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE GUIDEBOOK COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE. IS IT A GUIDEBOOK? THAT'S JUST I SHOULDN'T SAY JUST IS IT A GUIDEBOOK THAT SHOWS WHAT THESE PARTICULAR HISTORIC THINGS, BUILDINGS, STRUCTURES LOOK LIKE, OR DO WE WANT TO TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER AND TRY TO INCORPORATE IT INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE? SO IT GOES FROM A, HEY, THIS IS WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE TO THIS IS WHAT IT HAS TO LOOK LIKE. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION VERSUS HISTORIC RENOVATION. YOU KNOW, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, IN MY OPINION, A HISTORIC, A TRULY HISTORIC BUILDING THAT'S BEING RENOVATED AND WHAT MATERIALS AND, AND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE USED IN ORDER TO DO THAT RENOVATION VERSUS NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED THOSE SAME TYPE OF MATERIALS. IT'S MORE OF A STYLE. AND THEN THE OTHER THING I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW, AND ALLISON HAD ASKED ORIGINALLY, I'M SORRY, CHAIRMAN STORE HAD ORIGINALLY ASKED ME TO TO PROBABLY BRING THIS UP A LITTLE SOONER THAN NOW, BUT THERE ARE LITERALLY TWO PEOPLE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY OF WYLIE. AND SO I JUST WANT EVERYBODY. SHOULD WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW, MY BOSS, THE CITY MANAGER, DECIDES IS PRIORITY, THAT EVERYBODY DOES HAVE PATIENCE WITH US AS WE MOVE FORWARD. BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER ARE GOING TO GUIDE, YOU KNOW, STAFF RESOURCES. AND FOR THE RECORD, I THINK THIS IS A A REALLY GOOD IDEA. I TOLD OUR CHAIRMAN RIGHT OFF THE BAT, SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LIVE IN A SMALL TOWN. EVERYBODY'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE FRIENDLY THAN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. BUT ANYWAY, THE I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. I REALLY DO IN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GENERAL IDEA OF IT AND I WOULD LOVE TO MOVE, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. AND I CREATED A VERY QUICK ONE BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE I SHOULDN'T EVEN SAY IT'S A GUIDEBOOK. IT'S A BEGINNING. IT'S NOT EVEN A DRAFT AT THIS POINT. IT'S JUST A STARTING POINT. AND THEN. YOU KNOW, HOW FAR DO WE WANT, WANT, WANT TO WANT TO TAKE THIS? BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, IF IT'S JUST A GUIDEBOOK, THEN WE CAN PUT THAT TOGETHER AND WE'LL STILL TAKE IT TO COUNCIL AS A WORK SESSION AND JUST SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED AND WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO STEER PEOPLE IN THIS DIRECTION. IF WE WANT IT TO BE ENFORCEABLE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REWRITE PARTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WE HAD JUST GOT DONE WITH. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A WORK SESSION WITH COUNCIL WITH AS MANY OF YOU. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WHO AGREES WITH GOING FORWARD WITH THIS TO TALK TO COUNCIL ABOUT HOW THE IMPORTANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR COMMISSION FEELS ABOUT IT. SO, CHAIRMAN STOKES, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, I PASS OUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. WHENEVER WE'RE DONE WITH THEM, WE CAN SWAP. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THEM OR NOT, BUT. MY SCREEN. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS THE THE ONE FROM ANAHEIM, CALIFORNIA THAT IS JUST THE ACROSS MULTIPLE STYLES, I GUESS IS WHAT THEY CALL IT. AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WOULD BEST BENEFIT THE CITY. I, I'M, I CAN TELL YOU HAVING THE RESOURCES TO DO ONE FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL STYLE, I WILL PROBABLY BE RETIRED BEFORE THAT GETS FINISHED, JUST TO BE HONEST. SAY IT AGAIN. NO, I'M SERIOUS. JUST SAY I JUST SAID THAT IF WE HAD ONE FOR EACH PARTICULAR STYLE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, 20 PAGES LIKE THESE ARE, I SAID I'D PROBABLY BE RETIRED BEFORE WE WERE ABLE TO GET THEM FINISHED. JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT THAT IS INVOLVED HERE. NOW, IF WE COPY A LOT OF THIS. YEAH, YOU KNOW, 
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A LOT OF THE WORK IS ALREADY DONE. LIKE WE JUST REACHED OUT TO THE CITY OF ANAHEIM. CAN WE JUST CHANGE THE LOGO? WELL, HERE'S THE OTHER PART ABOUT THIS THOUGH. AND THIS IS WHAT I MENTIONED. AND I KNOW THAT MISS STONE DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME ON THIS PART, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT CALIFORNIA, YOU KNOW, HAS A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES THAN TEXAS AS FAR AS PROPERTY RIGHTS GO. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT, AND I WISH I HAD MORE OF AN ANSWER FOR YOU, BUT I DON'T AT THIS TIME IS THERE MAY BE ONLY SO FAR THAT WE CAN GO BECAUSE THERE'S A THERE IS STATE LAW THAT SAYS WE CANNOT DICTATE THE MATERIALS OF WHAT BUILDINGS ARE ARE BEING BUILT UNLESS THEY ARE DESIGNATED HISTORIC. NOW THERE'S ALSO SOME WIGGLE ROOM, SOME GRAY AREA FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. BUT THAT'S FOR THAT'S USUALLY FOR EXISTING THE RENOVATION OF EXISTING HOMES. SO THAT'S ONE THING I. AND LIKE I SAID, I WISH I HAD A BETTER LEGAL ANSWER FOR YOU THIS EVENING, BUT BEFORE I GO DOWN THAT ROAD, I WANT TO SEE HOW EVERYBODY JUST GENERALLY FEELS LIKE, DO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT GOING DOWN THAT ROAD? I'LL JUST SAY, I MEAN, TO BE HONEST, I'VE ONLY SEEN FOUR, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPANISH COLONIAL REVIVAL BUILDINGS. I DON'T BELIEVE UNLESS I COULD BE WRONG. SO LIKE WE DON'T SOME OF THESE ARE TAKEN OUT LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANY TUDOR REVIVAL BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I FEEL LIKE JUST WHERE WE ARE AT, WHERE WE'RE LOCATED, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO SHRINK THE PACKETS ANYWAY BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF ARCHITECTURE. WE HAVE CRAFTSMEN, WE HAVE MINIMAL TRADITIONAL, BUT WE JUST DON'T HAVE LIKE A GIANT ARRAY OF STYLES IN OUR TOWN, WHICH IS BENEFICIAL TO US AT THIS POINT, I THINK. SO I. I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO ASK A HIGHER LEVEL QUESTION ABOUT THE PURPOSE AS FAR AS THE AUDIENCE FOR THIS GUIDEBOOK IS CONCERNED. I UNDERSTAND THIS WILL BE FOR OWNERS THAT WILL EITHER BE DOING RENOVATIONS OR POTENTIALLY NEW BUILDERS. IS THE COMMISSION GOING TO BE USING THIS AS A GUIDE AS WELL THROUGH OUR REVIEW PROCESS, OR ARE WE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IT SEPARATELY? I MEAN, I WOULD SAY, YEAH, OKAY. SO KIND OF OUR SOURCE OF TRUTH FOR HOW WE JUDGE WHAT. YEAH, EXACTLY. AND IF THEY BRING SOMETHING TO US THAT LITERALLY IS LIKE WHAT WE PUT IN THE BOOK, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT. AND WILL THIS SUPERSEDE THE YOU MENTIONED THE STUFF WE PUT IN THE ORDINANCE LAST YEAR, WHICH ACTUALLY DESCRIBES A LOT OF THIS ALREADY. WOULD THAT BE REMOVED FROM THE ORDINANCE AND THIS BE PUT IN REPLACEMENT? SO MY INITIAL THOUGHT ON THIS IS THAT AND AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO P AND Z BECAUSE THEY ULTIMATELY HAVE TO APPROVE ANY CHANGES TO THE THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ULTIMATELY COUNCIL. BUT ONE THOUGHT THAT I HAD WOULD BE THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE. AND WHAT WE COULD DO, I BELIEVE, IS CHANGE PART OF IT TO BASICALLY STATE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF HOW, YOU KNOW, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR HISTORIC RENOVATION WILL FOLLOW THE GUIDEBOOK, YOU KNOW, AND PUT FORM NUMBERS SUCH AND SUCH AND SUCH. WHAT THAT DOES, AND WE'LL HAVE TO PUT IT IN THERE. WHAT IT DOES IS IT ALLOWS US TO MAKE ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES TO THE BOOK, BUT NOT HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHANGE THE ZONING ORDINANCE AGAIN. BUT THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, P AND Z IS ALSO APPOINTED, COUNCIL IS ELECTED AND OFFICIALS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ACCOUNTABLE OBVIOUSLY TO THE CITIZENS. AND YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH LEEWAY DO THEY WANT TO GIVE TO CHANGING BUILDING CODE IN A WAY OR WHATEVER WITHOUT AT LEAST BEING AWARE OF IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT WOULD IT WOULD GIVE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BASICALLY THE ABILITY TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE BOOK WITHOUT NECESSARILY INFORMING. I MEAN, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, I'LL GET WITH CRAIG, YOU KNOW, OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER AND WE WOULD PUT OUT THERE, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'VE GOT A NEW VERSION OF THIS. COME TAKE A LOOK, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING. BUT THAT'S ONE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT IS, IS TO MAKE IT WHERE THE OTHER WAY IS THAT. YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO MAKE IT A PART OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. AND EVERY TIME WE MAKE A CHANGE TO IT, WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND, AND RE-ADVERTISE IT AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WHICH THAT THAT'S FINE TOO. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE SLOWER ANYTIME THAT WE WANT TO MAKE, MAKE CHANGES TO IT. BUT THAT'S MY INITIAL THOUGHT. I STILL GOT TO CHECK INTO SOME THINGS BECAUSE I KNOW THE STATE OF TEXAS DOES IT. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU'LL HAVE AN AGENCY WHERE THE STATE LAW JUST BASICALLY SAYS THAT THE AGENCY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THEY'LL SAY SOMETHING LIKE REASONABLE RULES AND REGULATIONS, YOU KNOW, IS WHAT THE STATE LAW WILL SAY. AND SO THAT GIVES THE DIRECTOR OF THOSE PARTICULAR AGENCIES THE ABILITY TO WRITE SOME RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT, IN EFFECT, 
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BECOME LAW. WHEN YOU POINT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL STATE LAW. RIGHT? YEAH. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE EASIEST WAY TO, TO WORK THIS, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD AND I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT BECAUSE I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY HAD TO SAY ABOUT WHETHER WE EVEN WANT TO DO THIS OR NOT. JUST ONE FINAL STATEMENT. MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE, YES, THIS GUIDEBOOK PROVIDES A LOT OF VALUE BECAUSE. BUT THE QUESTION WOULD BE, IS. 
          I PREFER NOT TO HAVE TO TOUCH THE ORDINANCE EVERY TIME WE WANT TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THIS. RIGHT. AND HAVE THE ORDINANCE REFER TO THIS AS KIND OF THE SOURCE OF TRUTH. THIS, I THINK, WOULD BE A LOT EASIER FOR US TO MANAGE. SO WE'RE NOT MANAGING DATA IN TWO PLACES. 
          EVERY TIME WE TOUCH THIS WE COULD UPDATE THE ORDINANCE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WOULD THAT BE IN THE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF, HEY, IF WE COMMIT TO A BOOK LIKE THIS, COULD WE SAY, ALL RIGHT, LET'S TAKE THAT STUFF OUT OF THE ORDINANCE. WE DON'T HAVE TO TOUCH IT. AGAIN, REFER TO THIS DOCUMENT AND THEN WE WORK FROM THIS DOCUMENT ON THE WAY WE REVIEW CHANGES AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF AND MAKE IT A LOT. AND AS LONG AS IT'S JUST STYLISTIC TYPE OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT'S DEFINITELY DOABLE. OKAY. IT'S JUST WHETHER THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WOULD AGREE TO THAT. DOES EVERYBODY GENERALLY THINK THAT IF WE GO THAT ROUTE, THAT WOULD BE HOW THEY'D WANT TO SEE IT? YES. YEAH. I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. CAN YOU TRY? SORRY, THE WHOLE POINT TO THIS WAS WHEN THE PERSON STANDING RIGHT THERE SAYS, I'M DOING A CRAFTSMAN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING A CRAFTSMAN, BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU WHAT A CRAFTSMAN IS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, HOW MANY HAVE WE COME, HAVE COME ACROSS US THAT THEY ENDED UP WITH SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. AND IF IT'S NOT IN WRITING, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN WELL, BUT IT WILL BE IN WRITING THOUGH, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S NOT WELL. BUT THE ORDINANCE WILL POINT BACK TO THE BOOK, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY I WANTED THIS. SO ARE YOU AGREEING WITH. I'M AGREEING. OH, OKAY. SOUND LIKE YOU AGREE? I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT TO CHANGE. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S LIKE THIS, ALL THIS MASSIVE STUFF TO CHANGE, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE HAVING TO CHANGE. IF WE HAD THIS, WE WOULDN'T. SO HERE'S THE WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE THE THING IS, IS THAT IF IT'S NOT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, IT'S COMPLETELY UNENFORCEABLE. SO WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ONE OF TWO WAYS. WE EITHER HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO REFER TO THE GUIDEBOOK, WHICH GIVES A LOT OF AUTHORITY TO STAFF. SO THAT'S A SENTENCE OR TWO. YES. AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT I WOULD PREFER TO DO IT. ALL OF THIS IN THERE? YES. OR THE OTHER WAY TO DO IT IS THAT WE MAKE THIS AN APPENDIX IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. AND EVERY TIME THERE'S EVEN, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF CHANGE TO THIS, WE HAVE TO DO A ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, WHICH MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH ALL THE IF I GET THIS RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, YOU AIN'T GOT TO CHANGE ANYTHING. AND THESE ARE PRETTY RIGHT. I MEAN, I'M SURE SOMEBODY WILL COME ALONG AND CHALLENGE IT AND WE GOTTA EDIT IT, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS SIMPLE IN THEORY, BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING. WHAT WOULD THEY HOW WOULD THEY CHALLENGE. WE'RE SAYING IF YOU, IF YOU WANT A VICTORIAN, HERE'S YOUR VICTORIAN. IF YOU WANT TO MATERIALS I GET YOU CAN'T GET CAN'T USE HISTORIC MATERIALS ON A NEW BUILD. IT'S TODAY'S MATERIALS. BUT I WANT A CRAFTSMAN OR VICTORIAN THAT IN 50 YEARS. THAT'S A TRUE. WE CAN DEEM THAT HISTORIC BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT PROPERLY. YEAH, BUT I THINK THAT'D BE STYLE THEN. RIGHT. AND THEN THAT WOULD BE IT'S ARCHITECTURE. YEAH IT IS. AND SO AND AGAIN, I'M, I WANT TO SAY THAT I'M ALL FOR THIS. I LIKE THE IDEA OF IT. I DO THINK THERE MIGHT BE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON. BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT BECOMES A HISTORIC BUILDING. WELL, IF IT'S 50 YEARS OLD, IT'S HISTORIC NO MATTER HOW IT'S BUILT. EXCEPT. EXCEPT IF YOU GOT PLASTIC WINDOWS. THAT'S NOT REAL CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURE, BUT IT'S STILL NOT A CRAFTSMAN HOUSE. IT'S A CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOUSE BECAUSE IT'S BUILT TODAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. YEAH, I. SO WE LIVED OBVIOUSLY ON IN JACKSON, ON JACKSON AND WE HAD TO REPLACE OUR WINDOWS. AM I ON. YEAH. YOU'RE ON. AND I MEAN WE HAD TO UPGRADE TO LIKE GOOD WINDOWS OR ELSE OUR ELECTRIC BILL WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE A THOUSAND A MONTH. RIGHT. AND SO I THINK IT COULD HAVE TRULY REHABBED THOSE WINDOWS. 
          IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, YOU KNOW? YEAH. WE'RE NOT MADE OF MONEY OVER HERE. BUT, BUT I, WE HAD TO REDO IT. I MEAN, IT JUST FOR EFFICIENCY PURPOSES AND THE COST OF THINGS NOWADAYS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK MAKING IT LOOK LIKE, LOOK LIKE CRAFTSMAN IS, I THINK, GREAT. BUT USING TODAY'S MODERN TECHNOLOGIES TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THE PRODUCT IS ALSO OKAY. AND I 
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MEAN, THAT'S THE DISCUSSION I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON THAT. FOR ME, IT'S A ALUMINUM FOR ME, IT'S ALUMINUM WINDOWS VERSUS WOOD, SASH WINDOWS, WOOD SASH WINDOWS ARE A CORRECT HISTORICALLY ARCHITECTURALLY CORRECT WINDOW IN A HOUSE, NOT AN ALUMINUM WINDOW OR A PLASTIC WINDOW OR THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT LIKE, SAY WE WERE REHABBING THE BROWN HOUSE, YOU OBVIOUSLY DEFINITELY WANT TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, OR ANOTHER HOUSE WITH HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE DOWNTOWN. BUT IF SOMEBODY'S DOING A NEW BUILD. IS IT A MAJOR CRIME? IF IT HAS CRAFTSMAN STYLE, BUT IS USING MODERN MATERIALS IN ORDER TO MEET ENERGY CODE AND BUILDING CODE AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF? YOU KNOW, YOU CAN USE MODERN MATERIAL WOODS, NOT MODERN OR ANCIENT OR OLD OR WHATEVER. 
          WOOD IS WOOD. YOU CAN STILL PUT WOOD WINDOWS IN A NEW HOUSE. BUT WHEN YOU SPLIT THAT 6 IN 1 AND 4 IN 1 AND WHATEVER THAT IS, YOU DON'T DO IT WITH PLASTIC STRIPS. YOU CAN DO IT WITH PLASTIC STRIPS. HEY, I'M ONE OF 6 OR 1 OF. NO, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUT EVERYBODY'S GOT THEIR A HISTORICALLY ACCURATE PERSON. THAT'S WHY I'M SITTING HERE ON THIS COMMITTEE. EVERYBODY HAS TO MAKE A DECISION. I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY OPINION. OKAY. WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY REAL QUICK BECAUSE I'M IN THE LEGAL. IF YOU WANT, I'LL GIVE YOU MY REAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. HAVE A REAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. IF YOU JUST WANT TO LOOK LIKE, HAVE A LOOK LIKE. BUT IF WE. BUT CAN WE DICTATE EVEN THAT WITH A NEW BUILD? SO YOU HAVE TO USE WOOD WINDOWS AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO CHECK ON. YEAH. I BELIEVE OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT IS SOMEWHAT PROTECTED, BUT I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DEPTH. YEAH, I DO KNOW IT IS PROTECTED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT LIKE YOU HAVE TO DO HARDIEPLANK WITH A WOOD SIDE. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WE ALL KNOW WE DON'T EVEN SAY WHAT MATERIAL. IT JUST HAS TO HAVE A WOOD GRAIN. I BELIEVE IT'S THE WAY IT'S SAID. YEAH. IN ORDER TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MEET A HAPPY MEDIUM BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUILDING MATERIALS. YEAH. SINCE, YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY THIS, SINCE IT GENERALLY SEEMS THAT EVERYBODY'S IN FAVOR OF THE THE IDEA OF THE GUIDEBOOK, IT'S WORTH THE CALL THEN FOR ME TO TALK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY OR DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON MY OWN, YOU KNOW, TO GET AT LEAST STARTED TO FIGURE OUT HOW FAR CAN WE GO. BUT THE LAST THING I'D WANT IS TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT PROCESS, YOU KNOW, AND NOT HAVE IT. BUT YEAH, AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A YES OR A NO ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT. THAT'S OKAY. BUT BUT I THINK YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, SANDRA HAS THIS OPINION AND I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER ELSE HAS, BUT I FEEL LIKE AT LEAST WE KNOW WHERE IF WE DID GO DOWN THIS ROUTE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO STOP AND WHAT'S ENFORCEABLE AND WHAT'S NOT RIGHT. AND THAT'S THAT'S MY MAIN GOAL IS, YOU KNOW, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO, WE CAN ENFORCE IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH GRAY AREA, YOU KNOW, AS WE HAVE HAD IN THE PAST. I JUST THOUGHT, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WE COULD DICTATE THE OUTSIDE BUT NOT THE INSIDE. NO. ON. OKAY. THE BUILDING MATERIALS THEMSELVES, THE BUILDING MATERIALS THEMSELVES CANNOT BE DICTATED FOR SURE. LIKE OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LIVE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD THEIR HOUSE OUT OF CORRUGATED METAL, AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE BUILDING CODE, STATE LAW SAYS YOU CAN DO THAT. WHAT I AM ASKING WHAT I AM GOING TO FIND OUT FOR SURE IS, CAN WE ALSO DO THE SAME THING IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR NEW BUILDS? I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT ALL OF THE DESIGNATED HISTORIC BUILDINGS DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, YOUR OLD HOME, THE BROWN HOUSE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK PROBABLY EVEN SANDRA'S HOUSE, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THOSE, WE CAN ENFORCE IT. BUT IF SOMEBODY HAS AN EMPTY LOT AND A BRAND NEW HOME, I JUST DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT RIGHT NOW. BUT I WILL GET IT FOR YOU. Y'ALL. 
          OKAY. THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK IS, DO WE HAVE LIKE, LIKE A LIST OF THE HISTORIC HOUSES OR WHAT DEEMS THE HISTORIC? LIKE, I KNOW A LOT OF OUR DOWNTOWN IS OLD, OBVIOUSLY, BUT LIKE SOME BUILDINGS ARE NOT AS OLD. SO IS THERE LIKE A, IS IT A LIKE STREET TO STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT OR IS IT LIKE CERTAIN HOUSES? RIGHT NOW? THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY FOR SURE IS THE HOUSES THAT ARE ACTUALLY DESIGNATED. WELL, THERE'S A. BUT YEAH. AND BUT BEYOND THAT, IT GETS A LITTLE FUZZY. LIKE AS YOU GET OUTSIDE, THERE'S LIKE, OKAY, IT'S 1964 JUST BECAUSE IT WAS PUT UP THEN DOES THAT NECESSARILY MAKE IT HISTORIC? YOU KNOW, BUT WE'RE TREATING THEM LIKE THEY ARE FOR RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO THAT ROUTE TO TRY TO PROTECT THE THE 
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CURRENT BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE UNTIL SOMEBODY TRIES TO TELL US OTHERWISE. SO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, EVERYTHING DOWN THERE AT THIS POINT. BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU DO A RENOVATION RIGHT NOW, WE'RE SAYING IF YOU'RE INSIDE THIS, THIS AREA, YOU CHANGE, YOU KNOW, A WINDOW PLACEMENT FIVE FEET OVER, YOU GOT TO COME, YOU TALK TO Y'ALL FIRST. SO IN MY OPINION, EVERY BUILDING DOWN THERE HAS SOME VALUE, YOU KNOW? YEAH, I AGREE. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR CIRCLING THIS BACK TO THE PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE. WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE END STATE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE, WHICH WE'LL SAY REFER TO THE GUIDEBOOK AS YOUR SOURCE OF TRUTH FOR WHAT IS APPROPRIATE. THE ORDINANCES REQUIRE COUNCIL CHANGE, COUNCIL APPROVAL, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. WOULD THIS FALL WITHIN SCOPE OF THAT, OR WOULD WE HAVE KIND OF FREEHAND TO UPDATE THIS AS NECESSARY WITHOUT GOING THROUGH COUNCIL APPROVAL? SINCE EVERYBODY IS GENERALLY ON BOARD WITH THE IDEA OF THIS, I AM GOING TO HAVE A WORK SESSION WITH COUNCIL. AND WHEN I SAY I, I MEAN Y'ALL ARE GOING TO COME TOO, OKAY? AND, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS ALONG WITH ME, AND THEN I WILL TELL THEM THE TWO WAYS THAT WE COULD GO ABOUT THIS, ASSUMING WE CAN. I KNOW THAT THEY DO IT AT STATE LAW, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIES THAT DO ADMINISTRATIVE, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, SITE PLANS GO TO P AND Z. THERE ARE SOME CASES IN OTHER CITIES WHERE THOSE JUST ARE APPROVED AT STAFF LEVEL. THEY NEVER GO TO TO PNC OR, FOR EXAMPLE, PLATS IN OTHER CITIES STOP AT PNC. THEY DON'T GO TO COUNCIL. SO I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE COULD PROBABLY DO THE SAME THING WITH THIS AND KEEP THAT AT THIS AT THE HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION LEVEL, JUST FOR THE BOOK, WHERE THE REST OF CHAPTER 6.3 WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO GO THROUGH PNC AND COUNCIL, BUT THERE WOULD HAVE TO AT LEAST BE AN INITIAL GO THROUGH THAT SAYS, WE'RE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO REFER TO THE BOOK. WHATEVER STAFF AND HRC SAYS IS IN THE BOOK IS IN THE BOOK, BUT PNC AND COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A WORK SESSION WITH THEM TO SEE WHETHER THAT'S THE DIRECTION THEY WANT TO GO OR THE OTHER DIRECTION IS THAT WE TURN THIS INTO AN APPENDIX. WE KEEP THAT SAME SENTENCE. WE PUT IT AT THE END OF THE THE SECTION. AND THE DOWNSIDE TO THAT IS IF WE WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO IT, THEN WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. I FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD BE UPDATED MORE THAN THE ORDINANCE, GIVEN HOW LONG IT WAS BETWEEN CHANGES. I FEEL IT WOULD BE TOO. I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT MISS STONE WAS SAYING, AND I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, YOU WON'T HAVE TO CHANGE TOO MUCH. BUT MY THING IS, IS I WOULD WANT TO GET THE MOST IMPORTANT, WELL, THE MOST USED STYLES IN THERE RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE I KNOW I MADE IT AND I WAS KIDDING. I HOPE YOU ALL KNOW ME THAT WELL. YOU KNOW ABOUT BEING RETIRED BEFORE THIS WHOLE THING GOT DONE. BUT MY POINT IS, IS I'D WANT TO KNOCK OUT LIKE, CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOMES, YOU KNOW, AND COLONIAL OR THE BROWN HOUSE, QUEEN ANNE'S, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, AND GET THOSE IN AS ABSOLUTELY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THE ONES THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE IN TOWN, THEN WE CAN ADD THE OTHER ONES, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AS WE GET TO IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOMEBODY MAY WANT TO BUILD IT. I DON'T SEE A SPANISH COLONIAL GOING IN AND WILY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, BUT DIDN'T WE LIKE GIVE THEM CERTAIN STYLES THAT THEY COULD IF IT WAS A NEW BUILD, CAN WE DIDN'T WE. THERE IS A LIST IN THE IN THE IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO STICK TO ONE OF THOSE. IT JUST SAYS THAT. HERE'S THE LIST. AND THOSE ARE THE THE DRAFT OR THE BEGINNING THAT I GAVE YOU ALL. I TOOK EACH SINGLE ONE OF THOSE AND PROVIDED A PICTURE ALONG WITH THE DESCRIPTION THAT WAS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THAT'S THE VERY BOTTOM PART WHERE IT SAYS TYPICAL FEATURES ARE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN AT THE TOP, I USED AI TO HELP ME DRAW SOME PICTURES. I LIKE TO REQUEST A NEW PICTURE OF MY HOUSE IN THERE. WELL, OKAY. AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING WE WANT TO DO. AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT WE DO WANT TO WE ARE I WANT TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, I, LIKE I SAID, I, I USED AI TO KIND OF GENERATE SOME GENERAL IDEA PICTURES, BUT I WOULD ULTIMATELY WANT TO USE A HOUSE IN WYLIE AND THAT SAYS THIS IS NOT ONLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT WE'D LIKE YOU TO STAY SOMEWHERE IN THIS BECAUSE IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, FIT MORE WITH OUR OVERALL SCOPE. SO I THINK SO, YES, SANDRA, WE'LL GET A NEW PICTURE OF THE HOUSE. YES. 
          SO DEFINITELY, ESPECIALLY IF IT GOES IN THE APPENDIX. RIGHT. SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE GUIDEBOOK. MY QUESTION IS KNOWING THAT THERE ARE TWO OF YOU GUYS. I THINK IF IT GOES IN THE APPENDIX, SUDDENLY THAT'S GOING TO BECOME A LOT MORE WORK FOR EVERYBODY, RIGHT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ENOUGH VALUE. I LIKE THE IDEA OF CREATING THE ONE AND NOT THE 15, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH VALUE IN THERE AND THAT IT'S GOING TO HELP KIND OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS SEE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND THE QUESTIONS THAT COME BACK HERE TO US OVER AND OVER AND ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BECOME THIS LABOR INTENSIVE, WE'VE GOT TO KEEP UPDATING IT BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS A PROBLEM. WE'VE GOT TO FIX SOMETHING. AND OH, WE JUST REALIZED WE'VE GOT TO ADD THIS 
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TO IT. I JUST WANT TO BE REALLY COGNIZANT OF THAT, KNOWING THAT THERE'S ONLY TWO OF YOU. YEAH. 
          WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL ON THIS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE VERY FIRST THING I'M GOING TO DO IS CALL ANAHEIM AND GO, CAN I GET THE ACTUAL FILE THAT YOU DID THIS IN? YOU KNOW, SO AND KIND OF GO FROM THERE. BUT ACTUALLY WHAT I WANT I WOULD PROBABLY DO IS CALL LIKE AUSTIN AND SEE IF THEY'VE GOT SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO START WITH, JUST BECAUSE IT WOULD BE MORE TEXAS. BUT YOU KNOW, BUT I, I HAVE, WE HAVE A PLACE TO START, YOU KNOW, AND I WANT TO THANK MISS STONE FOR GIVING US A REALLY GOOD, YOU KNOW, SOME IDEA LIKE, OKAY, I DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL HERE. WELL, I WAS STARTING TO WONDER IF I WAS GOING CRAZY IN MY THINKING. SO I WENT OUT AND STARTED LOOKING FOR OTHER CITIES AND WHAT THEY DID. YEAH. UP TO AND INCLUDING USING THEIR PICTURES. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO FIND OUT WHETHER THESE ARE COPYRIGHTED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOME OF MOST OF THESE, I BET, ARE DONE BY CONSULTANTS. THEY'RE NOT DONE BY CITY STAFF. AND BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT PROBABLY IN-HOUSE. I ALMOST GUARANTEE THAT. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, THEN HOW MUCH OF THIS CAN I ACTUALLY STRAIGHT UP STEAL AND HOW MUCH OF IT DO I HAVE TO SOMEHOW RECREATE? PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT. I BET THEY DID IT IN-HOUSE. I THINK ASSOCIATE PLANNER, PLANNER. YES, SIR. YOU NEED SOMETHING TO DO THAT. I THINK ONE OF THE VALUES HERE, AND I KEEP GOING BACK TO THIS, IS THAT IF WE CAN GET IT TO THIS AND NOT HAVE TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE EVERY TIME WE NEED TO UPDATE, I DON'T HAVE TO COME OUT PERFECT. WE CAN CONTINUE. I AM GOING TO AND TAKE AS MUCH TIME BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED ADDITIONAL APPROVALS. YES, I'M GOING TO SCHEDULE A WORK SESSION WITH COUNCIL. I'M GOING TO TALK TO THE CITY MANAGER AND SEE, YOU KNOW, WHEN BECAUSE WE'RE GOING INTO BUDGET SEASON RIGHT NOW. AND IT DEPENDS ON HOW LONG THAT DISCUSSION IS ON HOW MANY WORK SESSIONS WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO. BUT ANYWAY, WE WANT TO, WE'LL GET IT ON THE AGENDA AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN I'M GOING TO NEED THIS COMMISSION TO, TO SHOW UP AND SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS IS WHY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND THIS IS WHY WE THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND THIS IS HOW WE WANT TO GO ABOUT IT. BUT THE FIRST THING I'M GOING TO FIND OUT IS, CAN I ACTUALLY DO IT THE WAY I WANT TO LEGALLY BECAUSE I'M AGAIN, I'M NOT 100% SURE. I JUST WANTED TO THROW OUT OPTIONS RIGHT NOW AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT, YOU KNOW, AND SO SINCE EVERYBODY'S KIND OF THINKING IS, YEAH, LET'S DO THIS AND LET'S TRY TO DO IT ADMINISTRATIVELY, MY NEXT STEP WILL DEFINITELY DO TO SPEND THE TIME AND RESOURCES TO FIGURE THAT OUT. COOL. I REALLY DID THIS BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT'D MAKE OUR JOB EASIER AND OH, I AGREE, MAKE IT MORE EXPLANATORY TO THE PERSON DOWN THERE IS THAT YOU CAN TAKE THIS HOME WITH YOU. YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMEMBER EVERY WORD THAT SAID IN THE MEETING OR MAKE SURE IT'S WRITTEN DOWN. HERE'S THE BOOK. I TOTALLY AGREE AND I'M GOING TO USE THE EXAMPLE. YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING CODE COUNCIL ADOPTS THE BUILDING CODE WITH THE AMENDMENTS IN THERE. AND THERE ARE. IT'S WELL, ONE OF THE BOOKS IS THIS THICK, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE'RE ASKING FOR 10 TO 12 PAGES. YOU KNOW, NOW AGAIN, THEY ADOPTED EVERY TIME, EVERY THREE YEARS, IT, YOU KNOW, IT UPDATES. AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE DO IS WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE PUT IN THERE JUST I JUST THOUGHT OF THAT, NOT SAYING IT'S THE GREATEST IDEA, BUT. WE COULD JUST MAKE NOTE OF CHANGES WE WANT. AND THEN EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS WE MAKE THOSE EDITS AND THEN WE, WE PRESENT IT. THAT MIGHT BE OUR, OUR WORST CASE SCENARIO, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF EVERY TIME THERE'S A SMALL CHANGE, LIKE, HEY, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LIKE LIVE WITH IN CASE SOMEBODY COMES BACK REAL QUICK AND THEN JUST NOTE IT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN EVERY 3 OR 4 YEARS, WE JUST PRESENT A NEW ONE AND GO, HEY, THIS IS THE UPDATED VERSION, YOU KNOW, BASED ON NEW BUILDING CODES OR STATE LAW AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF, THAT SORT OF THING. THAT MIGHT BE THE WAY TO GO TOO. SO I THINK AS LONG AS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THEIRS, THEY ACTUALLY POINT TO CONTACT THE CITY, DON'T USE THIS AS GET STARTED ON THE WORK BEFORE YOU GET THE APPROVAL. SO I THINK AS LONG AS WE HAVE THAT. 
          CROSS-REFERENCING THE ORDINANCE POINTS TO THIS AS THE SOURCE OF TRUTH FOR THE STYLE. THIS POINTS BACK TO THE ORDINANCE FOR THE RULES. YES, WE SHOULD BE OKAY LEGALLY, I WOULD THINK BECAUSE YEAH, MY ONLY LEGAL QUESTION IS, CAN THE CITY COUNCIL, IF THEY CHOOSE TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE THAT ATTACHES ANOTHER DOCUMENT TO IT, THAT STAFF IS ALLOWED TO CHANGE WHENEVER THEY FEEL LIKE IT? TO BE VERY BLUNT, I MEAN, NO, THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE LIKE AN APPROVAL PROCESS. LIKE I WOULD COME TO YOU ALL AND GO, HEY, WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE AN OPEN MEETING, YOU KNOW, ABOUT ANY CHANGES WE WANTED TO MAKE, BUT THEN IT JUST STOPS THERE AND WE'RE ALLOWED TO GO AHEAD AND PUBLISH THAT AS GOSPEL. YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO GO THROUGH P AND Z AND COUNCIL, NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WE WOULD STILL GET THERE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THEIR INPUT ON IT. BUT THEN THERE'S THE ADVERTISING IN THE PAPER, YOU KNOW, AND HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO THAT THAT THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW, KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE 
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INVOLVED ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED. YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS IN NO WAY A, AN IDEA OF TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, CLOSE THE, THE, THE PROCESS DOWN. IT'S JUST TO KEEP THE DOCUMENT AS RELEVANT, AS CURRENT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW? YEAH. AND I THINK ONE THING THAT I REALLY LIKED ABOUT THIS ONE, IT'S VERY CLEARLY WRITTEN FOR HOMEOWNERS AND NOT NECESSARILY LIKE ARCHITECTS WHO ARE COMING IN TO BUILD SOMETHING NEW. RIGHT? AND SO IT'S LIKE, I CAN TAKE THIS AND GO, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO BUILD. OKAY, LET ME SEE KIND OF THUMB THROUGH AND BE LIKE, I LIKE THIS AND THIS AND THIS. AND THEN IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S VERY EASY TO READ. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE CREATE IS ALSO IS CREATED FOR THE HOMEOWNERS BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO US WITH ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO ALL RIGHT, WITH YOU, I THINK I HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO KIND OF GET THIS STARTED. YEAH. AND THEN I'LL LET YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT THINGS AS I MOVE FORWARD. WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER INFORMATIONAL MEETING. OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE WILL HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL TO GET SOME DIRECTION. OKAY. AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THAT, WE CAN GO FORWARD FULL SPEED AHEAD. OKAY. DOES THAT SOUND. YEAH, SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. 
          AND WE CAN WORK OUT THE DETAILS. LIKE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE GOT TO OBVIOUSLY TALK ABOUT IS HISTORIC ACCURACY VERSUS HISTORIC STYLE. YEAH, LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY. 
          YEAH, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE DON'T I MEAN, IT'S OBVIOUSLY YOUR CALL, BUT I THINK THE BIG PICTURE STUFF NEEDS TO GET TAKEN CARE OF. YEAH FOR SURE. LET'S WORK ON THE BIG PICTURE AND THEN WE'LL HIT THE DETAILS LATER. YEAH. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS RIGHT NOW ON IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE OUT OF THE WORK SESSION AND NOTHING ELSE IS ON THE AGENDA. SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE ONE WORK SESSION. I JUST SAID I JUST MOVE OUT OF THE WORK SESSION. YES, I DID FOR WORK SESSION. NO. ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? THANK YOU. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. OKAY. I'LL SECOND SOMEBODY ELSE'S ABOUT A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. 
          LET'S VOTE. OKAY. PASS. WE'RE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.