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[Animal Shelter Advisory Board on November 5, 2025.]

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CALL TO ORDER THE NOVEMBER 5TH, 2025 ANIMAL SHELTER ADVISORY BOARD MEETING FOR THE CITY OF WYLIE, TEXAS AT THE WYLIE MUNICIPAL CENTER. THE TIME IS 613. I WISH. WE DO THE INVOCATION. OKAY. AT THIS TIME, PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION LED BY MICHAEL, FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE. DEAR LORD, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US HERE TOGETHER TODAY. AND. AND PLEASE BE WITH US AS WE CONTINUE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE WYLIE ANIMAL SERVICE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY.

AND PLEASE, LET US ALWAYS REMEMBER YOUR WILL AND THINK THROUGH. YOUR. THROUGH WHAT? THROUGH YOUR WILL. AS WE COME TO GUIDANCE AND LEARN MORE ABOUT THE ANIMAL. WYLIE ANIMAL, ANIMAL ANIMAL. WYLIE ANIMAL SERVICES LORD'S NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT IS CITIZENS PARTICIPATION. IF ANY CITIZEN OF WYLIE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON ANY SUBJECT, PLEASE STEP FORWARD AT THIS TIME. PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. AND PLEASE BE AWARE THAT ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RESPOND TO ISSUES NOT LISTED ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. AND PLEASE ALLOW THE RECORD TO SHOW THAT NO ONE HAS COME FORWARD DURING CITIZEN PARTICIPATION. NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE REGULAR AGENDA, THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR REGULAR SESSION AGENDA IS ITEM ONE. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE ANIMAL SHELTER ADVISORY BOARD MINUTES OF AUGUST 13TH, 2025. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AS PRESENTED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT MOTION. ALL RIGHT, BOARD MEMBERS, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

PLEASE ALLOW THE RECORD TO SHOW THE MOTION HAS PASSED. 5 TO 0. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO CONSIDER AND PLACE ON FILE THE 2025 THIRD QUARTER STATISTICAL INFORMATION FOR SHELTER OPERATIONS. I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT AND PLACE ON FILE THE STATISTICAL INFORMATION AS SUBMITTED. I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. SORRY ABOUT THE TNR NUMBERS. WAS THERE? PREPARE FOR THAT. SO. LET ME TURN THIS ON. OKAY. LET ME FLIP OVER. AND THEN I GOT SOME NOTES ON HERE SO I CAN EXPLAIN HOW THAT'S GOING TO FLUCTUATE. SO SINCE WE EVALUATE ALL CATS ALL TRAPPED ANIMALS IN THIS REPORT ENDS AT A CERTAIN TIME, THERE'S PERHAPS ANIMALS THAT WE EVALUATE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING, BUT END UP BEING TNR. AND THEN THERE'S A ONE DIFFERENCE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE AT THE END OF THIS REPORT, WE HAD ONE THAT WENT FROM TNR TO CAT. SO THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO FLUCTUATE NOW BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A HIGHER VOLUME. WE HAVE. AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE NUMBERS ON THE DISPOSITION, I KNOW THAT THAT OTHER NUMBER IS SITTING IN THERE, WHICH IS IS SOME OF THOSE, BUT THOSE ARE OTHER DISPOSITIONS. THE ONES THAT WENT TO ADOPTION, THE ONES THAT WELL, WE HAD ONE, WE HAD MOM CAT WITH LIKE FIVE, FIVE KITTENS. AND SO OTHER OTHERS WERE GIVING THEM A RESCUE OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT NUMBER, NOW THAT WE'RE DOING QUITE A HIGHER VOLUME, I MEAN, THIS IS ONE OF THE HIGHER VOLUMES OF 77. AND OUR E. WE CAN SEE THERE IS A COMBINATION OF JUST NOT JUST THE EVOLVE, BUT THE FELINE PARVOVIRUS. THAT HAS REALLY IMPACTED, YOU KNOW,

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OUR ABILITIES TO DO SOME OF THE TNR BECAUSE BOTH OF THOSE ARE JUST DEADLY AND CONTAGIOUS. SO I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET THE ANIMAL SUFFER. SO I MEAN THAT THAT IS UP A LITTLE BIT. BUT ALL IN ALL, PUTTING THE WHERE YOU SEE THE RELEASE OR THE ACTUAL 22 OUT OF THE 77 THAT ARE WITH A, YOU KNOW, RELEASE BACK TO THE CARETAKER AND BUT THE 26 OR NUMBERS THAT WERE REMOVED FROM WHERE IT ENDS. AND NOW WE GOT TO PUT IT INTO OTHER WHERE IT WAS THIS AND NOW IT GOT CONVERTED TO AN ADOPTABLE CAT BECAUSE WE, WE WANT TO EVALUATE AND GIVE THEM TIME. AND IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN EVERYTHING BECAUSE THE NEXT ONE WILL KIND OF EVEN THESE BACK OUT. BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO ALSO HAVE SOME OF THESE THAT WERE IN PLAY, BECAUSE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE REPORT, WE HAD ONE TNR THAT WAS ALREADY IN THERE AT THE END OF THIS IS 11. SO ON THE NEXT REPORT WE HAVE, WE'LL SEE THESE 11 BEING ADJUSTED AROUND TO KNOW WHERE THEY HAVE WENT. SO THEY'RE THERE OR THEY'RE IN FOSTER, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY OF THOSE ENDED UP. BUT I KNOW THAT THE MOM MY I THINK SHE'S THE ONE THAT WAS SITTING IN HERE OKAY. WE THOUGHT WE COULD DO IT. WE THOUGHT WE COULD GET HER TO BE A HOUSE CAT, BUT SHE DID NOT. SHE WENT RIGHT BACK OUT TO HER CARETAKER AND WAS BACK OUT THERE BEING A PROPER TNR. WE TRIED AND SHE DID NOT LIKE IT. SO SHE IS BACK OUT THERE. SO THOSE THINGS HAPPEN AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. SO WHEN WE TAKE THESE TNR AND WE PULL THEM OUT SEPARATELY, AS THIS PROGRAM CONTINUES TO GROW AND DO WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO, WHICH WE OBVIOUSLY SEE IT'S WORKING, IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. RIGHT? AND IT HELPS. BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T JUST SAY YOU ARE DEFINITELY A TNR, LIKE, I MEAN, RETURN TO FIELD IS VERY COMMON. A LOT OF PEOPLE, THAT'S ALL THEY DO FOR CATS. YOU DON'T GET A VALUE, YOU'RE NOT EVALUATING. THEY'RE IF IT GETS TRAPPED, IT IS A FELINE. IT'S GOING RIGHT BACK TO THE FIELD IF THAT'S AN OPTION OR THEY'RE EUTHANIZING, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO EUTHANIZE, BUT WE STILL TRY TO GIVE IT A CHANCE. I MEAN, AND WE THINK THAT WE OWE THAT, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THAT A CHANCE. ESPECIALLY LIKE THE LITTLE ONES. THOSE ARE THE ONES LIKE THAT. WE THINK WE, YOU KNOW, AND EVERY NOW AND THEN WE'RE BRAVE ENOUGH TO THINK WE CAN DO THAT WITH AN ADULT. BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS WORK OUT. SO BUT IN THIS CASE, WE NEEDED THE MOM BECAUSE WE NEEDED HER TO TAKE CARE OF THE KITTENS. SO AND THEN SHE WENT BACK OUT. SO WE'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS. AND I THINK THIS WAS A HIGH POPULATION TIME. SO IT'LL GO KIND OF GO BACK TO THE NORM TO WHERE IT DOESN'T SEEM OVERWHELMING BECAUSE I HAD CHRIS COME IN THERE AND WE WERE LOOKING BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY CONFIGURING THE NUMBERS. SINCE I'M A VOTING MEMBER, I LIKE TO HAVE SECOND AND THIRD PARTIES THAT LOOK THROUGH IT, AND HE'S LOOKING AT ME. I'M LIKE, I'M GOING TO FORGET THIS BY THE TIME WE GET TO A MEETING. BUT THERE WAS QUITE A FEW. WE HAD ALSO THE MEDICAL. THAT'S THE ONES THAT ARE HIT BY CAR, NO CHANCE. BUT WE'RE STILL GOING TO IMMEDIATELY PUT THOSE ANIMALS DOWN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND MOWERS, I MEAN, WE'RE AT THE END OF THAT PROCESS. WE GET A LOT OF CATS THAT GET INTO MOWERS AND UNFORTUNATELY. SO IF THAT ADDRESSES MOST OF YOUR TNR, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE EXACT ANSWERS FOR YOU BECAUSE I'D HAVE TO GO BACK INTO THE SYSTEM IF I WERE. THOSE 11 ARE. BUT ONCE THOSE GET OUT AND WE GET MORE TOWARD THIS COLD TIME OF THE YEAR WHERE THERE'S NOT AS MUCH TRAPPING GOING ON BECAUSE THE WEATHER IS WE'RE WE'RE REALLY CAUTIOUS ABOUT ALLOWING THAT DURING CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR. THESE NUMBERS WILL NOW WE'LL GET BACK TO WHERE WE ARE, AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW MANY OF THE CARETAKERS ACTUALLY HAVE. RIGHT. OKAY. YES. I JUST WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THAT. IT WAS WEIRD. THIS WAS OUR HARDEST ONE. LIKE IT TOOK. I MEAN, IT WAS WE WERE JUST HITTING OUR HEADS LIKE, WHERE'S THIS ONE? AND THEN WE HONESTLY JUST DIDN'T THINK JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE THEM RIGHT NOW, JUST THE DATE OF THE ENDING, THEY'RE IN LIMBO. SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT 22 WERE RELEASED TOO. SO THAT SEEMS LIKE A HIGHER NUMBER, BUT IT IS A HIGHER NUMBER. BUT WE HAD A LOT THAT WERE TRAPPED THAT THAT WE THAT WERE TRAPPED BECAUSE THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY SICK TOO. SO UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S WHAT THAT THAT IS, THAT HAPPENS AND IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF OR TRAPPED BECAUSE MAYBE THERE WAS A RESCUE THAT WAS WILLING TO TAKE THEM OR WHATEVER FOR WHATEVER REASON. SO THAT'S OUR OTHER NUMBER IS HIGH. BUT LIKE I SAID, IT INCLUDES A BROAD RANGE OF THINGS THAT I'D PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE LIKE 20 LINES DOWN HERE TO TO DO THAT. BUT JUST KNOWING THAT THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, ON THAT EUTHANIZED AREA, LIKE WE'RE FINDING OPTIONS OR WHATEVER. AND IF THEY DO END UP BEING EUTHANIZED, THEN THAT NUMBER COULD BE DIFFERENT LATER.

YOU KNOW, WITH 11, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN DO. IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE, EVEN EVEN JUST THE POSITIVE OUTCOMES. THIS IS A WHOLE LOT SET FARTHER THAN WAY THINGS USED TO BE, WHERE THEY JUST YOU TRAP THEM AND EUTHANIZE. AND IT WAS JUST AN ENDLESS CYCLE. AND I THINK THIS SHOWS THAT THE PROGRAM IS WORKING. AND YEAH, I THINK SO TOO. I MEAN, YEAH, AND PEOPLE

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ARE JUST AND AND UNFORTUNATELY, I MEAN, I MEAN, WE SEND ALL OUR TRAPS OUT. WE DO IT FOR AT LEAST FOR RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, A WEEK WE GET AND THEY CAN'T CATCH THEM ANYMORE. I'M LIKE, MAYBE SO WE CAN KIND OF TELL THAT IT'S WORKING, ESPECIALLY IN CERTAIN AREAS. WAS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING, ANY OTHER STATISTICS? OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO PASS. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE ANIMAL ADVISORY STATISTICAL REPORT AS AS PRESENTED. A SECOND. I SECOND THAT MOTION OKAY. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. PLEASE ALLOW THE RECORD TO SHOW THE MOTION PASSED 5 TO 0. AND WITH NO FURTHER ITEMS ON THE REGULAR SESSION, WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO OUR WORK SESSION. TONIGHT. WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON OUR WORK SESSION AGENDA AND THAT'S TO DISCUSS FUTURE FACILITY NEEDS. I REQUESTED THIS TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. I THINK THE FUTURE OF THE ANIMAL SHELTER, THE CURRENT LOCATION AND BUILDING THAT IT'S IN, AND THE POSSIBILITY FOR NEEDING TO BUILD A LARGER IN SOMETHING THAT FITS THE NEEDS OF THE CITY SINCE IT'S GROWN SINCE THE SHELTER WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT. I THINK WE NEED TO START HAVING THAT DISCUSSION AND SEE WHAT WE CAN ADVISE AND HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. I DID REQUEST SOME NUMBERS FROM SHEILA AS WELL TO KIND OF SHOW THE NEEDS OF THE CURRENT SHELTER. THEY JUST WENT THROUGH A RENOVATION TO KIND OF, IN MY OPINION, PATCH IT TO MAKE IT WORK FOR WHAT THEY NEED. BUT I THINK MOST OF US WENT ON A TOUR AND IT'S DEFINITELY NOT IDEAL WORKING CONDITIONS. SO. SHEILA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. SO WE. IT WAS KIND OF A. WE COMMUNICATED BACK ABOUT TRYING TO GET OUR NUMBERS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH GOING THROUGH THE RENOVATION. SOME OF THOSE ARE SKEWED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT TOOK A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. SO I THINK THAT I WILL FRANKLY TRY TO GO THROUGH AND PREPARE LIKE WE HAVE CERTAIN REPORTS WE HAVE TO DO BECAUSE THOSE REPORTS ARE TEDIOUS. OUR.

IT'S VERY HARD TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT. AND THAT'S WHAT THESE REPORTS LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT THE ONE THAT SITS HERE AND DOES THESE STATISTICS, BUT I DO SEE MY STAFF IN THERE BANGING THEIR HEADS AGAINST THE WALL SOMETIMES BECAUSE IT'S THAT CUT OFF POINT. SO BUT LIKE OUR CALL VOLUMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS. BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE I MEAN, WE GET THAT A LOT WHERE PEOPLE THINK THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING IS RUNNING AN ANIMAL SHELTER. BUT I BELIEVE, I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU A ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS, WE LOOKED AT THE LAST LIKE THIS QUARTER PERIOD OF REPORTING AND OUR ATHENA REPORTS WAS HAVING SOME ISSUES. SO I COULDN'T GET IT DIRECTLY DOWN. AND CHRIS WAS RUNNING, I BELIEVE IS AROUND 680, LIKE 680 CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE RUNNING 680 CALLS FOR SERVICE. WE HAVE FIVE FULL TIME, FIVE FULL TIME ACOS, AND WE OPERATE TO FULLY FILLED AND SHELTER SIX DAYS A WEEK. AND YOU CANNOT OPERATE WITH UNDER THREE PEOPLE. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A STRUGGLE HERE, LIKE THERE'S A MAJOR STRUGGLE. AND EVEN WITH ALL OF THAT, WE KEEP INCREASING OUR PROGRAMS. WE KEEP INCREASING OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE. AND, YOU KNOW, ON TOP OF THAT, IT'S NOT JUST OUR SERVICE CALLS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. LIKE I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, WE'RE GOING OUT TO FOR LOWE'S AND STOCKING FOOD PANTRY AND GOING OUT TO THE EDGES OF OUR OF OUR JURISDICTION. WE GO OUT TO, YOU KNOW, HELP OUR OTHER AGENCIES OR WE'RE HELPING THEM, EVEN OUR CITY, BECAUSE IF THEY NEED SOMETHING TAGGED, THEY ADOPTED AN ANIMAL AND IT ENDS UP IN OUR CITY, THEY CAN'T COME OVER HERE.

SO WE'RE RUNNING THEIR CALLS WITHIN OURS, AND THEY DO THE SAME FOR US. WE DO THAT BACK AND FORTH. BUT AND THEN OUR PHONE CALLS, LIKE JUST CONSTANT PHONE CALLS, A LOT OF HOURS, LIKE WE HAVE A GOOGLE SPREADSHEET AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIKE 400 DIFFERENT OPTIONS. THEY'RE CALLING JUST LOOKING FOR RESOURCES OR THEY'RE CALLING TO ASK ABOUT

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WHAT ARE LOW COST OPTIONS OR JUST INFORMATIVE. AND A LOT OF TIMES WE GET PEOPLE THAT JUST COME UP THERE JUST TO TALK, ESPECIALLY OUR SENIORS. THEY'LL LIKE COME. THEY'LL BE WALKING AT FOUNDERS AND THEY'LL COME OVER AND JUST WANT TO HANG OUT LIKE IT'S VERY HARD FOR US TO DO THAT. NOW. WE DO OUR WE HAVE BEEN DOING THE QUARTERLY SHOT CLINICS. SO UNDERSTANDING THAT'S ON A SATURDAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT EVERY OTHER MONTH BECAUSE IT IS VERY MUCH NEEDED. LIKE WE ARE PACKED AT THESE LIKE THE LAST ONE WAS 235 PEOPLE, BUT IT'S 165 ISH RIGHT IN THERE. ANIMALS IN A TWO HOUR SHOT CLINIC LIKE WE ARE ON THE. WE ARE THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE BETWEEN WE'RE IN THREE COUNTIES SO WE'RE IN COLLIN, DALLAS, EVERYWHERE ELSE.

SO COLLIN, DALLAS AND ROCKWALL. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO PLAY WITH. BUT WE ARE THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE BEFORE THEY GET OVER INTO DALLAS COUNTY. AND OUR ETJ AREA IS OUTSIDE, WHICH ISN'T OUR JURISDICTIONAL AREA. IT'S COMMISSIONERS COURT FROM COLLIN COUNTY. I MEAN, WE'RE RIGHT ON THE LINE WITH THAT. SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING TO WORK WITH THEM LIKE WE HAD A BUSINESS, WE HAD A COUPLE OF DOGS. I'M LIKE, COLLIN COUNTY, COME GET THEM.

THEY THEY THEY DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. SO WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM KENNELS AND SAY HERE, KEEP THESE CONTAINED. WE'LL FORWARD YOUR EMAIL OR WHATEVER. WE DO, WHAT WE CAN DO WITHIN THE LEGAL BOUNDARIES OF WHAT WE CAN DO. SO IT'S NOT JUST IN OUR VET SERVICES. WE HAVE TO TRANSPORT ALL OF THOSE. SO WE TRANSPORT. EVERYBODY HAS TO BE STERILIZED. WE SET OUR APPOINTMENTS UP. SO WE'RE LEAVING THE SHELTER GOING AND DROPPING THEM FOR VET SERVICE, OR THIS TKAP WHERE THERE'S LOCAL VETERINARIAN, WHEREVER THAT'S AT, AND WE'RE TAKING THEM TO VET SERVICE AND THEN WE'RE COMING BACK. THEN WE GOT TO GO PICK THEM UP AND THEY'RE NEVER READY BEFORE 330 OR 4. SO AT THE END OF OUR DAY AND THINKING ABOUT THE AND THAT'S WHAT I TRY TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE LIKE THAT, SIX DAYS OF FULL SERVICE THAT'S FILLED IN IN-HOUSE. AND WE'RE ON CALL 24 SEVEN AND I'M ON I'M ON 24 BECAUSE RCA DUTIES YOU GOTTA BE ON SO WHICH THEY HANDLE A LOT FOR ME, IT'S ONLY IF THEY HAVE TO HAVE ME. BUT WE'RE CONSTANTLY DOING WE'RE CONSTANTLY DOING MORE T OUR TNR IS OUT THERE. THEY CALL WE GET A LOT OF CALLS FROM PEOPLE THAT MY DOG'S TOO HEAVY, I CAN'T PUT IN MY CAR. WE'RE GOING TO GO HELP YOU. I MEAN, YOUR DOG NEEDS TO GET TO A VET OR, YOU KNOW, THEIR PET DIES. OR TODAY WE'RE RUNNING AROUND THE CEMETERIES BECAUSE A ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS VISUALLY IMPAIRED SERVICE DOG GOT AWAY. IT'S NOT CUSTOMARY THAT WE GO HELP OUR RESIDENTS GO FIND THEIR DOG. AND THIS IS A SPECIAL SITUATION.

WE'RE GOING OUT AND AND WE WERE ABLE TO REJOIN THEM, YOU KNOW, GET THEM BACK TOGETHER. SO, YOU KNOW, WE IN THOSE CALLS WHEN I LOOKED AT THE AVERAGE TIME, I MEAN WE'RE OUT IN THE FIELD.

THAT ONE PERSON'S GONE FOR 45 MINUTES. YOU'VE NOW HAVE TWO OTHER PEOPLE THAT IF THAT'S AN AGGRESSIVE DOG, YOU GOT TO SEND ANOTHER OFFICER. SO IF YOU'VE GOT ONE MORE PERSON AND WE DON'T CLOSE, WE'RE OPEN 9 TO 5. THERE'S NO CLOSE TIME IN THERE. YOU KNOW, I NORMALLY COVERED THE LITTLE HOUR IN BETWEEN. SO WE TRY NOT TO. BUT THERE WILL BE TIMES THAT SIGN'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO ON THE DOOR BECAUSE WE CAN'T HELP IT. WE GOT TWO TRUCKS IN THE FIELD, AND WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY BACK HERE THAT WANTS TO LOOK AT DOGS. WE'RE PUTTING A SIGN ON THERE THAT SAYS, CALL THIS NUMBER, WE'LL BE RIGHT UP OR WE'RE IN THE BACK. WE'RE STILL WE'RE HAVING TO DO THAT. AND AND THIS LINE OF WORK ACROSS EVERY AGENCY ASK THEM IT'S YOU CAN'T GET THESE POSITIONS FILLED. WHILE HE'S VERY FORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE LONG TERM STAFF MEMBERS, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN IN THIS JOB PROBABLY LONGER THAN MOST PEOPLE I'VE GOT. I'VE GOT TWO TENURED EMPLOYEES OVER FIVE, ANOTHER ONE OVER TEN YEARS OF STAYING WITH THIS ORGANIZATION. RIGHT.

OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE IS THROUGH THE ROOF. EVERY ONE OF OUR SURVEYS THAT WE'VE HAD, I LOOKED THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. NOTHING ABOVE, ABOVE MY EXPECTATIONS. THE LAST FISCAL YEAR, WE HAD ZERO CUSTOMER SERVICE SURVEYS COME BACK THROUGH OUR OUR ONLINE BASIS. WE HAVE TO RUN ALL THOSE TOO. BUT OUR NEO GOV SAT NOT ONE SINGLE CITIZEN ON THERE HAD ANYTHING BUT MEETS ABOVE THE EXPECTATIONS. THESE PEOPLE DO A WONDERFUL JOB AND THE JOB IS ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND THEY'RE EDUCATED AND THEY'RE CONSTANTLY GOING TO DO OTHER THINGS. AND THEN WE DEAL WITH THE HORRIBLE CASES. AND THAT WAS ON A SATURDAY, OF COURSE, THAT CALLED IT IN UNTIL 11 P.M. ON SATURDAY. WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE EIGHT IN THE MORNING. SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING. LIKE IT'S VERY HARD FOR US, ONE WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. COUNCIL PULLED THIS LIKE I DIDN'T ASK FOR LIKE A BOND OR I WAS LIKE, HEY, WE CAN JUST DO THIS

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FACILITY OUT FRONT. BUT THIS BOARD AND EVERYBODY GOT TOGETHER AND SAID, HEY, LET'S WE NEED TO GET A STUDY DONE FROM A THIRD PARTY BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK FOR SOMETHING HUGE. I DIDN'T REALLY THINK WE NEED IT OR WE DON'T NEED IT, AND LET'S, LET'S JUST BE REASONABLE. BUT WHEN I REALIZED THAT OTHER CITIES WHO ARE HALF OF OUR SIZE ARE HAVING TO SPEND $6 MILLION ON A FACILITY, I'M LIKE, WE'RE PROBABLY IN TROUBLE BECAUSE WE BRING IN A LOT OF ANIMALS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT IT'S MUCH MORE THAN WHAT PEOPLE THINK. AND WE GET A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM OUR COMMUNITY. I MEAN, I'LL COME UP HERE AND TALK AND I'LL GO BACK OUT AND BE LIKE, OH, I'LL VOTE FOR THAT. I THINK THEY WOULD BE VERY RECEPTIVE TO IT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT JUST WHAT IT'S ABOUT. WE STARTED PRESCHOOL AGE. WE HAVE DAYCARE CENTERS THAT START AT THAT AGE, THAT COME TO OUR FACILITY AND BRING THESE KIDS THROUGH SO WE CAN START EDUCATING THEM. NOW WE'RE IN THE SCHOOLS, SENIORS JUST HELP.

THIS BUSINESS WAS IN OUR CITY. IT WAS IN A NEIGHBORING CITY. BUT SOME OF THESE ALZHEIMER'S PLACES AND PUTTING A DOG INTO THEIR COMMUNITY, THAT HELPS. I MEAN, THERE'S A THERE'S A GOOD CONNECTION WITH ANIMALS IN OUR EMOTIONAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH. AND WE DO SO MUCH OUR FARTHEST GOAL. WE GO ALL THE WAY OUT PAST LAVON AND I TIMED I LOOKED AT IT. IT'S IT'S 20 MINUTES EACH WAY. OUR LOCATION IS POOR. WE HAVE A LIST I WENT AND GOT WITH GIS OF CITY OWNED PROPERTIES. WE NEED TO BE VISIBLE. WE NEED TO BE SEEN. AND WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK LIKE WE'RE IN AN OLD BARN. AN OLD I MEAN, THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT WAS INTENDED FOR. I MEAN, IT WAS A SERVICE CENTER AND THERE'S NO WINDOWS, NO NATURAL LIGHT. AND WE KNEW AS A BAND AID. AND WHEN I CAME TO DO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS RENOVATION, EVERY SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER IN OUR MAYOR THAT NIGHT, EVERY SINGLE PERSON I'VE WATCHED IT SEVERAL TIMES, MADE SURE I DIDN'T MISUNDERSTAND, SAID, Y'ALL NEED A NEW LOCATION. WE WANT A BIGGER WE Y'ALL NEED. Y'ALL NEED A BETTER BUILDING. IT HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED, EVERYONE. I MEAN, IT HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED.

IT'S A PLACE THAT GOT THIS BAND AID, WHICH WAS CALLED A BAND AID THAT SAID IT RIGHT NOW FIXED TO GET US WHERE WE NEED TO BE RIGHT NOW. THIS ROOM IS UP AND WE'VE GOT A DOG THAT'S ABOUT TO COME BACK TO US THAT HAD PARVO THEY'RE GOING TO SHED FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS, SO I DON'T HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THAT END, BECAUSE WE WANT TO TRY TO DO RIGHT BY THE ANIMAL AND GIVE THEM THE, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY. BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THAT TWO LITTLE SICK ROOMS WE'VE GOT. RIGHT. SO WE'RE HAVING TO SHUFFLE AS FAST AS WE CAN. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU FACE A LOT OF NEGATIVE COMMENTS WHEN YOU DO THIS JOB, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE AMAZING. THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE ARE AMAZING. AND I THINK THAT IF WE GET A BETTER PLACE, I MEAN THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU GET MORE VOLUNTEERS, WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO PUT THEM? IT'S SO HARD. I MEAN, THIS NEW FACILITY, WE'VE ALL BEEN THROUGH IT. THEY'VE GOT AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE NEED.

THE VOLUNTEERS NEED A SPACE. THEY NEED A SPACE, THEY NEED. THEY NEED A PLACE THAT'S THAT WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE SPACE THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE PLAN WAS ABOUT.

SO WHEN THEY CAME IN AND DID OUR EVALUATION, WHAT IS IT CALLED ASSESSMENT STUDY AND SAID, Y'ALL ARE WAY UNDER, LIKE WE CAN ONLY HOLD NINE CATS IN AN INTAKE ROOM, AND WE NEED SPACE FOR NO LESS THAN 45 TO KEEP UP WITH OUR NUMBERS. THAT RIGHT THERE IS JUST EVIDENCE.

AND AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO LEAD TO COMPLAINTS BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO WAIT. BUT THE ONLY OPTION I CAN TELL YOU AND I CAN TELL EVERYBODY, I CAN TELL OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS IS FOR ME TO EUTHANIZE THEM. AND IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE WON'T STAY IN THESE JOBS AND I WON'T STAY IN THIS JOB THAT IS NOT ETHICAL. IT'S NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

THESE ARE OWNED ANIMALS WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROBLEMS, WHO ARE IN THIS CITY WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO ASSIST THEM WHILE THEY'RE IN THE NEED. WE GIVE THEM EVERY RESCUE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE. YOU NEED HELP WITH FOOD? WE'LL GIVE YOU FOOD YOU NEED. LITTER WILL HELP YOU OUT. BUT YOU GOTTA HELP US OUT BECAUSE THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE A BUDGET TO. YOU DON'T THINK OF PARVO. DOG WAS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BIG EXPENSE. BUT THERE'S THINGS THAT COME ACROSS THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE AN UNLIMITED BUDGET. MUCH BETTER THAN WHEN I GOT HERE. WHEN I CAME HERE, IT WAS $2,000 MEDICAL. I MEAN, NOTHING WAS GETTING DONE. NOBODY GOT STERILIZED BEFORE THEY LEFT THERE. THINGS JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN. WE'RE GROWING AND WE'VE OUT BOOMED WHERE WE'RE AT. AND TEN YEARS GOING OF HAVING AN OVER 90% POSITIVE RATE OF US SHUFFLING AND MAKING DO, YOU COULD ONLY IMAGINE HOW MUCH BETTER IT WOULD BE. LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE KIDS READING TO DOGS IN THIS LITTLE PLACE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROGRAMS WE WANT TO DO AND WE NEED TO ADVANCE TO BE MORE. AND THE VOLUNTEERS, EVERYBODY'S LIKE, WELL, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE STAFF. NO WE'RE NOT.

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YOU HAVE A FACILITY THAT IS ACTUALLY CONDUCIVE TO BEING A FACILITY FOR WHAT IT'S MADE FOR.

YOUR CLEANING PROCESSES ARE EASIER. THE DOGS NEED INDOOR OUTDOOR RUNS WHERE THEIR SET IS IMPOSSIBLE. WE HAVE THAT BUILDING OUT THERE THAT'S ONLY 15 DOGS. THAT'S IT. I MEAN, YOU MIGHT LOOK AT THEY'RE LIKE, OH, THERE'S 30 KENNELS. NO THERE'S NOT, THERE'S 15 BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CLEAN THAT AND WE CAN'T TAKE IT ALL DAY AND WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, JUST GO IN THERE AND SCOOP AROUND THEM AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO GO ACROSS INTO A NEW SPACE SO WE CAN ROTATE AND LET OUR CHEMICALS SET. AND WE DON'T OVERSPRAY TO THE DOG NEXT TO IT. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S TERRIBLE. IT'S JUST NOT CONDUCIVE FOR AN ANIMAL SHELTER. AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU SEE PEOPLE, I'M, YOU KNOW, APPROACHING THAT AGE OF OF LEAVING AND BUT LEAVING VERY GOOD THIS IN VERY GOOD HANDS OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE SAME AGREEMENTS WITH ME. I THINK YOU WOULD SEE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, AND THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE NEGATIVITY, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT SAY THINGS IN ANY JOB THAT WE DO.

BUT COULD YOU IMAGINE HOW GREAT IT WOULD BE CONSIDERING WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE AT NOW? LIKE, YOU HAVE PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE GOING TO BE HERE AFTER I'M GONE THAT HAVE THE RIGHT HEART AND THE RIGHT ETHICS AND THE RIGHT INTEGRITY TO BE MORE TO EDUCATE IN OUR SCHOOLS. AND WE'RE DOING THAT. WE'RE OUT IN OUR SCHOOLS. WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPORTING US RIGHT NOW THAT I HAD TO ASSIGN ANOTHER STAFF WORKER TO DO ALL THIS, JARED, ON THE END. BUT, I MEAN, I HAD TO SIGN AN EVENTS PERSON SO HE CAN COORDINATE THE ALL THESE BUSINESSES WHO ARE TRYING TO HELP US THROUGH HOLIDAYS OR LIKE, WHAT DO YOU NEED? WELL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A LOT MORE IF I HAD MORE PLACE TO PUT IT. BUT IT'S GOOD THAT WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO THE PANTRIES TOO, AND WE'RE, WE'RE STOCKING. THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA. WE'VE NEVER HAD ROOM TO STORE THINGS, BUT WE WE'VE HAD THE DESIRE TO DO SOMETHING.

SO WE'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT OUTSIDE THE BOX. I MEAN, WE NEED TO BE IN A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO OUT WALKING AROUND US. WE IT NEEDS TO BE INVITING AND IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE SEEN. IT'S NEXT TO A RESTORATION PLACE AND NO. AND AND OTHER BUILDINGS THAT AREN'T OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND WE HAVE PARKING FOR EIGHT CARS. IT'S JUST NOT CONDUCIVE. EIGHT CARS AND 155 PEOPLE SHOWING UP FOR A CLINIC. IT'S JUST NOT CONDUCIVE. WE WE REALLY THERE'S I CAN'T THINK OF A REASON WHY. I KNOW RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED. THE ECONOMY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT ALL YOU CAN BE TOLD IS NO, WHAT'S THE RISK? I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING FOR BONDS, WE NEED TO GO FOR BONDS. WE WERE GIVEN AN AMOUNT. THE AMOUNT ISN'T GETTING LOWER. IT'S NOT GOING TO GET CHEAPER TO DO THIS. I HAVE SENT MY DIRECTOR INFORMATION AS FAR AS. PROPOSED LOCATIONS BECAUSE, I MEAN, I'LL JUST BE HONEST WITH Y'ALL. I MEAN, I DID ARCHITECTURALLY PRETTY MUCH DRAW AND DESIGN THE WHOLE PLACE WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW TO SAVE MONEY AND TO DO THINGS.

BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS LAND DESIGNATED FOR SOMETHING ELSE JUST BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT WE WE HAVE A WHOLE GIS. THESE ARE ALL THE PROPERTIES.

I'VE MADE A SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE WE GET WITH COUNCIL AND SAY, YOU KNOW, DO LIKE A JUST A WORK SESSION OR SOMETHING. SAY, HERE'S WHAT'S HERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE COULD WE GO? BECAUSE PROPERTY IS A, A GOOD CHUNK OF THE MONEY. AND THIS IS WHAT WE NEED BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT WE NEED. WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE ANALYSIS. WE PUT THE MONEY IN THERE. WE WE KNOW HOW MUCH SPACE WE NEED. EVERYTHING'S THERE. AND I HAVE A LIKE A 12 PAGE, PRETTY INCLUSIVE. BOND PROGRAM PROPOSAL THAT I'VE DONE THAT I WANT TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL. I DID ASK FOR PERMISSION TO SHARE THAT WITH Y'ALL. I DID NOT PUT IT INTO THIS BECAUSE I. I DIDN'T GET A DIRECT ANSWER BACK FROM MY DIRECTIVE FROM MY DIRECTOR, BUT I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, IS TAKE IT, SHARE IT FOR THE PURPOSE OF US MAYBE PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA NEXT TIME THAT I GAVE THIS, AND Y'ALL CAN GIVE ME FEEDBACK ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO ADD, OR IF I'M MISSING SOMETHING, OR EVEN JUST A ONE ON ONE, AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT MORE THAN ONE PERSON YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATING AT A TIME, SINCE IT'S MY, YOU KNOW, DEAL THAT JUST LETS ME KNOW, DID YOU MAYBE YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT ADDING THIS OR ADDING THAT. BUT I'VE GOT

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OPERATIONAL, ECONOMIC AND OUR COMMUNITY IMPACTS OUTLINED IN IT. WHAT KIND OF STAFFING THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE PART TIME IS REALLY ALL WE'RE LOOKING AT. YOU'RE ADDING PART TIME PEOPLE THAT ARE BASICALLY HERE FOR ADOPTION, BASICALLY HERE TO HELP US. SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS WITH THE CUDS, THE TEN YEAR PLAN FOR THE CITY HAS ALREADY GOT ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IN THERE. I PUT EVERYTHING IN THERE FOR THE PLAN OF RELEVANT TO A NEW FACILITY OF WHAT WE WOULD NEED, AND WE CAN I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, THIS, BUT THIS NEW FACILITY, THE ONE THING THAT WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IS A VETERINARY CLINIC. INSIDE IT.

PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ABOUT THAT. THE THING WITH THAT IS, IS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE. I MEAN, WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT IT AND THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE NECESSARY BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE A LOT OF LOCAL VETERINARIANS THAT THAT HELP US GIVE THIS, THAT HELP THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE DESIRES ANIMALS TOO. AND, AND THEY GO START, YOU KNOW, AS GOOD AS THEY GET.

BUT IF WE GET BIGGER FOR OUR LOW COST COMMON DOGS TRANSPORTS, IF WE HAVE MORE SPACE, WE CAN HAVE MORE. WE WOULD QUALIFY FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO COME PICK THE ANIMALS UP FOR US. BUT WE DON'T QUALIFY BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE ENOUGH THAT GO. SO THERE'S TIMES THAT WE'RE HAVING TO SHUT SHUTTLE AND LIKE TWO DOGS FROM HERE, TAKE THEM TO SURGERY AND GET BACK, YOU KNOW, AND THEN GO PICK THEM UP AND GET BACK. I THINK THAT WE'RE NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WILL BE A LOT EASIER WITH A BETTER, MORE CONDUCIVE AREA, A BETTER PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK THROUGH AND SEE ANIMALS. EASIER FOR THE CLEANING PROCESS WOULD GO A LOT FASTER BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING INDOOR AND OUTDOOR AND THEY'RE COMING, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH. I'M NOT SURE I GAVE LINKS TO ANY NEW MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD TO THAT PREVIOUS. I KEEP LOSING MY WORD ASSESSMENT.

YEAH. THAT ASSESSMENT, I KEEP LOSING IT. THAT ASSESSMENT PACKAGE AND IT TELLS ALL OF THESE THINGS. TNR NEEDS A PLACE. FOSTERING IS A PLACE SO WE CAN'T MAKE IT WITHOUT OUR FOSTERS. I MEAN, AND IT'S TO THE POINT TO WHERE YOU'VE GOT THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING NON STOP IT. MOST OF THESE THINGS ARE BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE NOT WHERE WE NEED TO BE. NUMBER ONE, WE'RE IN THE FARTHEST CORNER AWAY FROM EVERY CALL WE MAKE OF THE CITY. AND GETTING OVER PAST THE SCHOOLS AND OUT, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE HAVING TO GO OUT TO WHAT IS IT, PEBBLE DOT, PEBBLE BEACH. WHAT'S IT CALLED AT THE LAKE? AVALON PARK. AVALON PARK, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY OUT THERE. THOSE ARE CITY OF WILEY. WE HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY OUT THERE. WE HAVE TO CHASE THEM DOWN. THE DAMN EVERYTHING THAT'S DOING BY THE ENGINEERS. ALL THAT'S US.

AND EACH ONE OF THOSE CALLS TAKE TWO HOURS. THAT YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY THERE TO HELP YOU IF YOU GET AN AGGRESSIVE DOG. SO THE PEOPLE YOU JUST LEFT THERE ARE ON THEIR OWN BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE WENT ON AGGRESSIVE. SO NOW TWO PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE AND YOU GOT ONE PERSON AT THAT FACILITY ANSWERING THE PHONES, TRYING TO SHOW ANIMALS AND EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SET UP PROPERLY, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE DONE. AND I THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE MY TAKE ON IT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEND Y'ALL THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON IT, SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE ABOUT. I WILL ASK MY DIRECTOR. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY REASON WHY I CAN'T SHARE WITH YOU THE GIS INFORMATION THAT SHOWS THE CITY PROPERTY THAT THAT CITY OWNED PROPERTY. THE ONLY THING THAT I DON'T KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY I'M REACHING OUT, I DON'T KNOW. IS THERE SOMETHING PLANNED HERE ALREADY AND THINGS LIKE THAT? SO THOSE ARE QUESTIONS I DON'T HAVE ANSWERS TO. AND I MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE I WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO GET WITH COUNCIL BECAUSE AS I WATCHED EVERY ONE OF THEM SAY, Y'ALL NEED A NEW LOCATION. WELL, HERE'S SOME CITY OPTIONS. I MEAN, WHAT IS REALLY AN OPTION? BECAUSE THAT'S A MAJOR COST AND WE WANT TO TRY TO KEEP IT REASONABLE. BUT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, SAXBY'S WAS 5.5 MILLION AND THEY HAD TO CUT DOWN. AND THAT WAS HOW MANY YEARS THAT THEY PASS THEM ON. SEVEN YEARS THEY DIDN'T GET BECAUSE YOU PASS THEM ON. I THINK IT TOOK FIVE YEARS FROM THAT. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY CHEAPER AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE EVENTUALLY. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT ON WHAT'S THERE. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE BEHIND AND WE WILL NEVER CATCH UP ON THIS PROBLEM. AND THIS IS A PROBLEM. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM WE CREATED BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT THAT, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL DON'T DO ANYTHING. WE DIDN'T CREATE THIS PROBLEM. WE'RE THE ONLY ONES TRYING TO HELP WITH IT. BUT WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT'S IN OUR POWERS. AND I THINK THAT WE CAN EDUCATE MORE KIDS THAT LEARNING CENTER. WE CAN HAVE VOLUNTEERS IN THERE. THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO SOMEPLACE.

THEY HAVE A LITTLE PLACE TO EAT. THEY CAN BRING THEIR LUNCH. THEY CAN GO OUTSIDE AND TAKE A WALK. I THINK THEY WOULD JUST BE A LOT MORE INVOLVED. THE KIDS HAVE AN EDUCATION CENTER.

WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE OUR OWN TRAINING. WE'RE NOT HAVING TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO AUSTIN.

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YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NO PLACE TO DO THESE THINGS. AND I THINK, WYLIE, I MEAN, WE'RE WELL RESPECTED WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. AND YOU GIVE US SOMETHING THAT CAN BE SEEN ALL THE TIME, AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE UP THERE DOING THESE PROGRAMS AND EDUCATING THESE KIDS AND HELPING THESE OWNERS AND JUST GETTING THE WORD OUT. I MEAN, YOU CAN DO THE SPAY DAYS.

THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP DURING THIS PROCESS. SO THEY THE STATE HAD WAS APPROVED SOME MONEY FOR THAT GRANTS A LOT OF TIMES FOR THESE GRANTS FOR SPAY AND NEUTERS OPERATION. AND SOME OF OUR BIGGER PLACES GET THAT MONEY, THAT FUNDING TCAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ONE OF THOSE. BUT TRYING TO MEET WITH A GRANT WRITER, THAT CAN HELP, BECAUSE A LOT OF US SMALLER PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO PUT IN FOR GRANTS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I'D LOVE TO HAVE LIKE A MICROCHIP DAY. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A SPAY DAY, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S THINGS OR I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE NOTICED, BUT SEVERAL TIMES YOU GO ON THERE AND THEY'LL HAVE LIKE FREE STERILIZATIONS FOR IF YOU LIVE IN THESE CERTAIN ZIP CODES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SO I'M TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN GET INTO ONE OF THOSE ZIP CODE CHALLENGES TOO. LIKE THAT WOULD KIND OF HELP BECAUSE. PEOPLE ARE TIRED RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GETTING HIT AND AND WE AND AND THAT'S PROBABLY MAYBE THE FEAR WITH SOME OF THE BOND ISSUES.

SO I'M NOT 100% SURE, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME OF THE HOLD BACK TO THAT. BUT I THINK IF WE'RE WE'RE MORE CONDUCIVE, YOU KNOW, OUR PAYROLL COSTS OVER THERE, EVEN THOUGH NOT HIGHLY PAID.

OUR OVERTIME IS CRAZY. I THINK WE GET ALL THESE THINGS INTO INTO ACTION. BRINGING A LOT OF THESE VOLUNTEERS HAVE SOME PART TIME WORKERS THAT ARE IN THERE ON THOSE ADOPTION DAYS, ESPECIALLY JUST THAT START AND THAT FINISH TO HELP COVER IT. I, I THINK THAT WHILE IT WOULD BE VERY HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY GET THERE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LET THE VOTERS DECIDE. AND IF THEY SAY NO, I MEAN, OKAY, THAT'S WORST THEN NOW WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GO? WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND OUR LIMITATIONS AT THAT POINT, AND WE'RE GOING TO JUST WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE DOWN THE SAME PATH. BUT WE CAN'T GREAT PATH OUR WAY ANY FARTHER. I MEAN, JUST LET IT BE CLEAR WE'RE STRETCHED. SO BUT THAT THAT'S I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU ALL THAT INFORMATION.

I'LL SEE IF I CAN JUST RELEASE AND THEN JUST KIND OF SEND THAT OUT TO YOU SO YOU CAN START LOOKING AT IT AND GET A GOOD. I WOULD LIKE SOME FEEDBACK ON MY PRESENTATION. AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE EXPECTED TO BRING ANY BOND ISSUES. I I'LL TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. LIKE I THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME. SO. I'VE ASKED AROUND. I MEAN, I THINK I'VE SHARED IT WITH MY STAFF DOING WHAT I CAN DO, BUT THERE'S PROBABLY THINGS THAT I'M IN THIS EVERY DAY THAT I DON'T SEE. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE I COVER ALL THE BASES. AND I'M TALKING. I'M GETTING THROUGH TO OUR COUNCIL, AND NOT A WAY THAT NOT EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE DO COMPLETELY. I MEAN, IT'S A BROAD SPECTRUM OF ISSUES, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY'RE THEY'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT STUFF, BUT TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE THINGS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THAT I HOPE PEOPLE LISTEN TO AND THEY UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THEY'LL START GOING BACK AND LOOKING. ONCE WE START ASKING FOR THESE THINGS TO UNDERSTAND, WE'RE NOT JUST ABOUT SITTING UP THERE PLAYING WITH DOGS AND CATS.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE'RE NOT IN SOME. WE WE MIGHT BE SITTING OFF THE BOOK, BUT WE ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY ALL THE TIME. AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR THESE CALLS. IT'S FOR EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING WITH OUR SCHOOLS, OUR BUSINESSES, OUR PANTRIES. I MEAN, THAT'S I THINK WE KIND OF LIKE 13 CITIES AT THAT ASSIST. WE'RE NOT JUST HELPING OUR PEOPLE. I MEAN, MY PEOPLE ARE STILL LIKE, HEY, WHAT CAN WE DO? THIS STUFF'S HERE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DUMPSTER THIS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS. WHAT CAN WE DO? I MEAN, YOU GOT PEOPLE LIKE THAT THAT ARE IN WHERE YOU HAVE. AND I THINK I THINK THEY CAN MAKE WYLIE VERY PROUD WITH WITH SOMETHING BETTER. AND WE CAN GET A GRASP. AND THEN IF WE GET A GRASP AND WE'VE REACHED OUR BUILD OUT AND WE REACHED OUR GROW, WHAT CAN WE DO FROM THERE WITH IT? THE PROBLEM'S NEVER GOING TO STOP. MAYBE WE CAN TURN IT SOME SOME OF THEM TURN SOME OF THOSE INTO BOARDING EVEN AT SOME POINT FOR THEIR CITY RESIDENTS. IF YOU GET TO THAT POINT WHERE YOU START GETTING THINGS UNDER CONTROL, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HAVING A SHELTER, IT'S ABOUT HAVING GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE TO YOUR COMMUNITY. LIKE IT? IT CAN EXPAND FROM THERE. AND MAYBE, MAYBE YOU CAN DO THAT. MAYBE YOU GET A LOT OF YOU. MAYBE YOU GET THINGS LIKE THAT THAT COME IN. BUT LET'S NOT. I HOPE THAT IT DOESN'T STOP. I HOPE IT CONTINUES. I HOPE WE CAN GET IT PASSED. BUT THAT'S THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. I MEAN, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I NEED TO REALLY BE LOOKING AND MAKING SURE THAT I'VE GOTTEN THIS, YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS? EVEN NOW? I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE STATISTICS. I THINK I'LL DO LIKE A THREE MONTH. AND THEN I'M GOING TO SEE ABOUT SENDING YOU ON A WEEKLY. IT'S NOT ANY EXTRA WORK. WE ALREADY SEND THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. I'LL DOUBLE CHECK, MAKE SURE IT'S OKAY. I JUST HAVE A CONFIDENTIALITY CODE FOR MAYBE SOME SLIP UPS, BECAUSE

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SOMETIMES WE'LL SLIP UP AND PUT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT SHOULDN'T BE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, AND RELEASED. NOT ANYTHING THAT'S NOT OPEN RECORDS REQUEST BY ANYBODY. BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING MORE OFTEN THAN EVERY, YOU KNOW, EVERY THREE MONTHS OR HOWEVER OFTEN ABLE TO GET HERE AND WE CAN STAY ON TRACK. AND THEN MAYBE BY SEEING THOSE REPORTS YOU MIGHT SEE SOMETHING. I THINK IF YOU'RE READING ALL THESE COMMENTS AND SAY, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THIS OR DO YOU NEED MAYBE A NEW FACILITY, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS OR, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW SOMEBODY THERE'S BEEN WITH OTHER AGENCIES AND OUR RESCUES. I MEAN, THEY'RE I MEAN IT'S DONE RESCUE ALL THE TIME. THEY DEFINITELY KNOW HOW TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX. THAT'S WHAT THIS BOARD IS ABOUT. WE'VE ALL BEEN IN DIFFERENT PLACES. MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER BOX WE HAVEN'T CLICKED YET. BUT ANIMALS ARE HIGH ON THE ON THE LIST. THEY GET A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF ATTENTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND IN GENERAL, MOST PEOPLE IN OUR CITY ARE EXCELLENT. SO EVERYBODY STRUGGLES AND EVERYBODY MAKES BAD DECISIONS SOMETIMES. AND WE CAN'T JUST LEAVE THE ANIMALS AT THE END OF THAT. WE GOT TO KEEP GOING. SO I GOT. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I DON'T WANT TO.

I MEAN, I THINK THE STATISTICS I'VE ASKED FOR A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE YOUR STATISTICS LOOK FANTASTIC IN THAT WHAT YOU'RE WHAT EVERYTHING IS WORKING THE WAY IT SHOULD. YOUR EUTHANASIA RATES ARE LOW, YOUR INTAKES ARE HIGH. YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. THE ANIMALS ARE. THE GOOD OUTCOMES ARE HIGH. SO IT'S HARD TO SEE THAT JUST FROM LOOKING AT NUMBERS THAT YOU GUYS ARE STRUGGLING IN THE LOCATION THAT YOU'RE AT, WITH THE STAFFING THAT YOU HAVE, I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP THE GOOD POINTS THAT I WAS THINKING WAS VOLUNTEERS AND YOU DO NOT I KNOW I CAN VOUCH FOR THAT. YOU DO NOT HAVE A PLACE FOR VOLUNTEERS TO DO ANYTHING. A LOT OF WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING, HAVING TO PUT STAFF ON THOSE THINGS, THOSE SHOULD BE VOLUNTEERS, LIKE DEALING WITH EVENTS THAT ARE DURING THE HOLIDAYS. LIKE THAT SHOULD BE SOMEONE NOT DOING THAT. SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KIND OF BRING AND, YOU KNOW, PROPOSE THOSE KIND OF THINGS. ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN SHARE WITH US FOR, YOU KNOW, WE ARE CITIZENS. WE HAVE THREE MINUTES TO GO SPEAK IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AS WELL, SO WE CAN BRING THAT UP TO THEM AS WELL AS CITIZENS SAYING THAT, BRING ATTENTION TO IT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS UNDERSTAND WHEN WE DO BRING, YOU KNOW, A POSSIBLE BOND TO THEM TO VOTE ON THAT. THIS IS IMPORTANT. THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT TAKING CARE OF THE ANIMALS. IT'S ALSO A PUBLIC HEALTH SITUATION. SO AS SHE WAS SAYING, YOU DO WITH THE DNR'S BEING, WE REQUIRE THAT YOU TEST EVERY SINGLE CAT THAT GOES IN, NOT OTHER CITIES DO THAT. AND THAT'S A PUBLIC HEALTH THING THAT I REALLY WANTED TO PUSH FOR, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S MY BACKGROUND IS PUBLIC HEALTH.

SO. AND WHEN YOU HAVE A BETTER SHELTER AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE STAFFING THAT YOU NEED, THE RESCUES AREN'T AS YOU ALWAYS NEED THE RESCUES, BUT THEY'RE NOT STRUGGLING. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY IN WILEY, IN THIS GENERAL AREA. IT'S A STRUGGLE.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE THE ONES THAT GET HURT ARE THE ANIMALS. SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK AS THE ADVISORY BOARD, WE ALSO JUST NEED TO ADVOCATE TOO. SO THAT'S MY LITTLE. RIGHT I MEAN I APPRECIATE THAT. AND WE UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A GREAT TRACK RECORD, RESCUES AREN'T BREAKING DOWN OUR DOORS TO HELP US BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PULL FROM THESE HIGH EUTHANASIA PLACES. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR.

I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT BREAKING DOWN OUR DOORS TO HELP US BECAUSE WE KEEP FIGURING OUT HOW TO DO IT, BUT AT WHAT COST? EXACTLY WHAT IT COSTS TO YOUR STAFF MEMBERS. I'VE NEVER BEEN HIDDEN ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE SAME SUICIDE RATE AS ALL OTHER FIRST RESPONDERS, AS FIRE AND POLICE. I HAVE WATCHED SO MANY PEOPLE THAT I KNOW IN THIS LINE OF WORK THAT HAVE JUST BEEN, I MEAN, EVEN MYSELF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I WENT THROUGH MY OWN BATTLE WITH THIS JOB. I WAS FORTUNATE TO BE WITH THE CITY THAT, YOU KNOW, GOT ME THE HELP THAT I NEEDED. AND AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, MY LIEUTENANT CAME DOWN THERE AND SAID, CALM DOWN AND PUT ME IN A CAR. AND I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING FOR LIKE A WEEK. THIS JOB IS SO STRESSFUL. AND IT'S THE SAME FOR THE VOLUNTEERS. IT'S THE SAME FOR THE RESCUES THAT ARE SEEING THESE THINGS, AND THEY NEED AN INVITING PLACE TO COME TO. THEY NEED A PLACE WHERE THEY FEEL LIKE IF FOR ME, IF I DON'T FEEL LIKE MY STAFF GETS TO GO HOME AND THINK ABOUT THE POSITIVES THAT THEY DID, I MEAN, THEY THINK, I MEAN, I ASK THEM ALL THE TIME, THEY PROBABLY THEY GET TIRED OF HEARING ME. I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE IT HAPPENED TO ME DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO EVERY ONE OF THEM, BUT STATISTICALLY, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO SOMEBODY ELSE. I

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MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF JOBS WHERE YOU GO OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY LIKE OUR LAST CASE WE JUST HAD WE JUST GOT OUT OF COURT WITH THAT. YOU SEE PEOPLE DO THE VERY WORST AND YOU SEE ANIMALS IN THE VERY WORST CONDITIONS, AND YOU WANT TO SAVE THEM AND YOU DO. AND YOU LIKE THROWING EVERYTHING AT IT. YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING ELSE. YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THEM TO TRUST A HUMAN BEING AGAIN, AND YOU JUST CAN'T GET THEM TO GET THERE, TO ONLY BE THE HAND THAT ENDS UP EUTHANIZING THEM. AND WE DIDN'T DO THIS. SO WE NEED HAPPINESS.

WE NEED GOOD VOLUNTEERS. WE NEED, LIKE, OUR RESCUES AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE HAVE FOR I MEAN, SOMETIMES WE'RE HAULING TWO CATS ALL THE WAY TO TAP OF OUR OWN WHEN WE HAVE FOUR SPACES. MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE GET THIS BETTER COMMUNICATION, A BIGGER PLACE FOR OUR TNR. AND WE'RE LIKE, HEY, WE GOT TWO SPACES YOU NEED TO GO. HEY, BY THE WAY, MAYBE YOU CAN PICK THEM ALL UP AND BRING THEM BACK. LIKE, I THINK THERE'S WAYS TO WORK THIS OUT.

IT'S JUST WE DON'T HAVE THE FACILITY THAT'S CONDUCIVE ENOUGH THAT WE CAN CONSISTENTLY SET SOMETHING. WE DON'T MAKE IT ANYWHERE ON TIME. IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. SOMETHING HAPPENS. THE CALL COMES OUT. THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED GENTLEMAN TODAY LOST THE DOG LIKE THAT.

STOPS LIKE THAT'S A PRIORITY. WE'RE GOING TO GO FIND HIS JOB, HIS DOG, YOU KNOW, OR YOU KNOW, THE STUFF WE JUST GOT FROM THE HOSPITAL. I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GETTING EVICTED. I MEAN, LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, BEARDED DRAGONS AND STUFF THAT WE'RE NOT SET UP TO DO THAT. I DON'T HAVE A PLACE FOR THAT. SO UNDERSTANDING I AGREE WITH YOU AND I APPRECIATE ALL THOSE THINGS. WE PUSH AND WE HAVE QUITE HIGH QUALITY PROGRAMS RIGHT NOW. BUT EVERY TIME, I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO TO THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE BURNT OUT THAT I HAVE TO FORCE TO TAKE VACATION TIMES, THAT IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AND OUR COUNCIL SEES THAT TOO.

I MEAN, OUR MAYOR, OUR COUNCIL, EVERYBODY ELSE. THE STAFF IS IMPORTANT AND YOU WILL NOT HAVE A GOOD FACILITY IF YOU DON'T HAVE A GOOD STAFF THERE AND THEY NEED TO HAVE PROPER HEALTH, THEY NEED TO HAVE SUPPORT, THEY NEED TO HAVE UNDERSTANDING, THEY NEED TO BE HEARD. WE NEED VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE GOING TO NOT BE A HINDRANCE, BUT BE IN THERE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE IN THERE AND THEY SHOULD BE OUT WALKING THE DOGS. WE'RE WALKING THEM. WE HAVE CONSISTENT VOLUNTEERS RIGHT NOW, BUT NOT LIKE WE SHOULD. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM TO. I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST NOT LIKE THEY NEED A PLACE. YOU NEED TO COME OVER AND BE CLOSE TO. I MEAN, THERE'S DOG PARK RIGHT HERE. WHERE ARE WE AT? DON'T TELL ME YOU CAN'T HAVE A SHELTER UP HERE VISIBLE. YOU GOT A DOG PARK? LIKE PUT US UP. WE NEED. WE NEED TO BE SEEN. WE NEED TO. HEY, YOU WANT TO STOP IN TODAY AND JUST CRUISE AROUND, OR, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT. WE NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME IN AND TALK TO US, AND THEY CAN ACTUALLY COME IN AND TALK TO US BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY THERE. I MEAN, IT HAPPENS A LOT, ESPECIALLY SENIORS. THEY'LL COME AND SHOW THE DOG THEY ADOPTED FIVE YEARS AGO. AND SO MOST OF THE TIME WE REMEMBER THE DOG, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER THE PERSON. BUT THEY COME UP AND BRING AND THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, CAN I MAKE A DONATION? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LIKE, THOSE ARE THE STORIES THAT THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE SCENES, THE VOLUNTEERS, YOU KNOW, ANY RESCUE GROUPS WE CAN WORK WITH ANYBODY ELSE. THAT'S THE STUFF THEY NEED ON A DAILY BASIS. BUT WE'RE SO COMPOUNDED WITH ALL THIS OTHER STUFF BECAUSE WE'RE JUST NOT WHERE WE NEED TO BE. IT'S TOO FAR. EVERY THERE'S THERE'S NOTHING CLOSE TO US. WE'RE ON THE BACK CORNER. THAT IS IN THE PRESENTATION WHEN YOU GET IT. I HAVE A MAP THAT SHOWS WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHERE WE GOT TO GO. WE'RE IN THE FARTHEST CORNER OF THIS ENTIRE SERVICE AREA. THERE'S. THERE'S NO CALLS THERE. IT'S CRAZY. I MEAN, YOU MAKE ONE CALL. I WATCHED THEIR CALL TIMES. THEY DISPATCH, THEY GET THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THEY'RE. WE GOT A LOT OF ROLL. WE'RE CHASING AROUND A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING. BUT THAT PERSON'S GONE FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF IN 30, 35 MINUTES OF THAT IS DRIVE TIME. YEAH. PUT IT PUT US WHERE WE CAN. WE CAN GO. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT. IN MY SUGGESTION. WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO. WE NEED TO BE IN A GOOD PLACE. WE NEED TO BE IN A VISIBLE PLACE. NO, ANIMAL SHELTERS DON'T BELONG BACK IN INDUSTRIAL AREAS. NO, THAT'S NOT WHERE THEY BELONG. AND IT'S NOT WHAT WE SET. AND WE'RE MUCH BETTER THAN THAT. THERE'S I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT OVER 90% RATIO. WE'VE HAD IT FOR TEN YEARS. WE'VE BEEN POSTING THESE NUMBERS FOR TEN YEARS THAT WE'RE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT. AND WE DO THE ETHICAL THINGS. SO I, I JUST I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO SAY AND, AND, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU SAY, HEY, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AND YOU GET ALL THIS AND YOU GOT ALL THIS DONE, BUT

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AT WHAT COST? WE CAN'T KEEP DOING IT. WE'RE BURNT AND WE'RE TIRED AND WE'RE DOING IT BECAUSE WE WE LOVE ANIMALS. BUT, I MEAN, WE NEED PEOPLE TO CARE ABOUT US TOO AND JUST BE LIKE, WE CAN'T JUST KEEP PUSHING THESE PEOPLE WITH WHAT THEY'VE GOT AND GET US WHERE WE NEED TO BE AND, AND HELP US ENJOY THIS AND HELP OUR COMMUNITY ENJOY IT. LET THEM STOP BY AND BRING THE KIDS AND LET THEM RUN THESE EVENTS AND HELP US WITH THESE LOCAL BUSINESSES. WE'VE GOT 3 OR 4, I THINK RIGHT NOW THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH THAT WANT TO DO THINGS, LET LET OUR VOLUNTEERS DO THAT. BUT WE'RE HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT? WE'RE IN CLOSETS RIGHT NOW OVER THERE BETTER THAN WHAT WE WERE. BUT WE GOT A SPACE, WE GOT A RESTROOM, AND WE'RE REALLY HAPPY. BUT, YOU KNOW, GIVE US A RESTROOM. WE'RE SO HAPPY ABOUT GETTING RESTROOM. LIKE, DOES THAT SOUND WEIRD? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BE BETTER. LIKE, WE CAN. LET'S GIVE THEM ONE.

LET'S GIVE THEM A LITTLE AREA TO GO IN. BUT I THINK TO SIT DOWN AT THE TABLE, THEY CAN COME HAVE THEIR MEETINGS OR DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT AGAINST VOLUNTEERS.

IT'S JUST WE CAN'T KEEP THEM OUT OF THE CONFIDENTIAL AREAS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PRIVACY AND WE CAN'T JUST OPEN EVERYTHING UP. WE'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO, BUT LET THEM FEEL AT HOME. AND I THINK WE CAN GET A LOT MORE DONE. I MEAN, WE KNOW THE RESCUES MIGHT REALLY START COMING IN, BUT HAVING JUST HAVING A BIG PARKING LOT WHERE WE CAN GET THESE SCHOOL BUSSES IN IS REALLY GOING TO HELP US. THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS EVERY TIME. SO WE'RE READY. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM THAT WE ENOUGH ROOM RIGHT NOW FOR SIX ADOPTION TOWERS AND NINE CATS WITH WE AND WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO CATCH UP THIS WAY.

WE CAN'T. THEN LIKE YOU SAID, THE RESCUES ARE INUNDATED. YEP. SO. AND IF WE CAN'T GET THEM OUT OF THE COMMUNITY FAST ENOUGH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO STOP THIS SPREAD OF DISEASE THAT'S HAPPENING. YEAH, I PUT IT ON OUR FACEBOOK. I'VE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT.

THERE'S PROBLEMS OUT THERE. THEY'RE NOT VACCINATING THEIR CATS AND THEY'RE LETTING THEM OUT IN OUR COMMUNITY. I BEGGING PEOPLE TO KEEP THEIR CATS INSIDE THE HOUSE. THEY DON'T GET IT. LIKE YOU NEED TO KEEP THEM INDOORS. YOU NEED TO GO TO YOUR VET. YOU NEED TO GET THEM VACCINATED BECAUSE THEY'RE WE ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT. OUR OUR VETERINARIANS ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT. EVERYBODY'S HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT. AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING ANYBODY LIKES TO DO. IT'S A SIMPLE SHOT. AND WE HAVE LOW COST CLINICS. WE'RE BRINGING SIX OF THEM NEXT YEAR. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO INCREASE THEM EVEN MORE THAN WE CAN. WE'RE GIVING OUR RESIDENTS ACCESS, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY KNOW THERE'S ACCESS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T EVEN FIND US. YEAH. PUT US WHERE WE NEED TO BE. AND I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO SEE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. WELL, WE CAN FIND YOU, BUT THEN THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THEM TO PARK. YEAH. I DO HAVE A COUPLE. I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ARE YOU ABLE TO DO THIS LIKE THE STATS AND GO LIKE OVER THE LAST FIVE, TEN YEARS TO KIND OF SEE SOME OF THAT? I MEAN, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO SHOW SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS OVER THE LAST FIVE, TEN YEARS KIND OF SEE THAT GROWTH NUMBERS TO KIND OF SEE WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF GROWTH HAS HAPPENED. SO WHAT I CAN SHOW IS HOW OUR COMMUNITY HAS GROWN. BUT SINCE OUR SHELTER HASN'T GROWN, OUR INTAKE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT BECAUSE WE'RE CONSTANTLY INTAKING TO OUR TOP. SO IT'S NOT. THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, WE'RE NOT CATCHING UP BECAUSE WE PHYSICALLY CAN'T. WE DON'T HAVE THE PLACE TO PUT THESE ANIMALS. AND IF WE COULD, IF WE HAD A BETTER SPACE, THEN WE WOULD PROBABLY GET A BETTER A TRUER ANSWER FOR YOU FOR THAT. BUT ALL OF OUR STATISTICS FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS ARE ONLINE.

WE DO ONE EVERY YEAR AT THE END OF THE YEAR. THIS BOARD, WE'VE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT THROUGH THIS BOARD. SO EVERY YEAR YOU GET A FULL VOTE VALUE OF HERE'S ALL OF OUR INTAKES. I FIND IT VERY HARD FOR ANYBODY ELSE TO FIND THAT ON A LOT OF SHELTERS, LIKE WE'RE PUTTING IT OUT THERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT. WE SHOULD BE TAKING IN FAR MORE NUMBERS THIS YEAR. AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE THE PROBLEM'S NOT THERE, IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO PUSH THEM TO OUR RESCUES. OUR RESCUES. SPCA, YOU KNOW, ANY PLACE ELSE. I MEAN, WE'RE HAVING TO FIND OTHER RESOURCES THAT WE'RE HAVING TO WALK THEM THROUGH, HOW TO REHOME THEIR PETS THEMSELVES THROUGH PETFINDER. I MEAN, THERE'S PROGRAMS OUT THERE FOR THIS, BUT THAT'S WHY THE CATS ARE GETTING OUT OUTED. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE GETTING EVICTED AND LEAVING STUFF BEHIND. SO YES, I CAN GIVE YOU THE STATISTICS, BUT MY HOUSING HASN'T CHANGED.

AND SINCE WE'RE HOUSING IT TO THE MAX, IT'S I DON'T I THINK IT'S SKEWED. I, I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S ALWAYS A WAITLIST. AND WE HAVE WHAT I THINK COVID COVID REALLY MESSED US UP TOO.

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LIKE THAT WAS KIND OF A MESS. SO. WELL, EVEN JUST LIKE YOUR CALL VOLUME, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S GONE UP. THE CALL VOLUME. YEAH. LIKE NUMBERS OF CALLS ARE COMING IN AND AND AND I THINK TO TELL THE STORY I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT IS. AND THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE THAT'S NEW TO THE ADVISORY BOARD BUT HAS BEEN IN THE SPACE FOR A WHILE. IT'S LIKE, I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW A LOT OF WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING HERE. AND SO I THINK IT'S GETTING WORKING WITH THE CITY, WHETHER IT'S WITH CRAIG OR WITH THE, YOU KNOW, TO GET MORE INFORMATION OUT THERE, I THINK IS IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE KIND OF BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL BECAUSE OF LOCATION IS REALLY CRAPPY, BUT JUST KIND OF WAYS TO KIND OF GET THERE. AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE IF THERE IS EVENTUALLY A BOND ISSUE, IT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE THE STORY NEEDS TO BE TOLD NOW BEFORE BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. AND I THINK SUSTAINING SOME OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF SHARE THAT STORY, EVEN CALL VALUE, EVEN LIKE, YOU KNOW, CALL TIMES, YOU KNOW, THE TIMES THAT YOUR THE TIME THAT IT TAKES TO DO A CALL AND THINGS. AND IF THAT'S CHANGED, I'M ASSUMING IT'S PROBABLY EVEN GONE UP BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC AND ISSUES AND YOU KNOW, KIND OF SHARING SOME OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT WOULD HELP HELP SHARE AND SEE THE NEED FOR THAT, I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THAT. OKAY. YES, I AGREE, AND I CAN DO THAT. LIKE WE WE WERE RUNNING A REPORT AND IT BREAKS EVERYTHING OUT LIKE DIFFERENT CALL TYPES, YOU KNOW, LIKE TRAP SERVICING.

WE DID LIKE WE CUT BACK ON LIKE WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE USED TO TRY TO TRAP FOR SKUNKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WELL, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL LAW DOESN'T PROHIBIT US TO TAKE OUR CHEMICALS INTO THE FIELD. THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN TAKE THAT IS A VETERINARIAN. EVERY TIME THEY SET ONE OF THOSE TRAPS, THEY GET A SKUNK. WE HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND TRY TO LIVE RELEASE IT OUT OF IT. I MEAN, IT'S TERRIBLE. IT'S A BAD SITUATION. THOSE CALLS END UP TAKING A LONG TIME BECAUSE WE'RE OUT HERE AND WE TELL PEOPLE, DON'T TRAP. YOU CAN ONLY USE OUR TRAP. WE HAVE OUR TRAPS, AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY TRAPS WE'RE SERVICING. AND WE'RE DOING THAT FOR TNR. BUT SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO CATCH CAT. THEY ACCIDENTALLY GET A SKUNK, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, BUT YES, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I SEE WHAT I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING. OUR CALL VOLUMES.

I MEAN, I THINK ACROSS THE BOARD WHEN WE GO DOWN BECAUSE I CAN GET THOSE TO YOU, THERE'S NO PROBLEM BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO THOSE STATISTICS WITH EVERY BUDGET. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL THESE NUMBERS AND I CAN GET THEM. I SEE THAT THEY'RE USUALLY PRETTY EVEN. AND I JUST COUNT THAT TO A LOT OF CALLS GET PUSHED. SOME OF THEM I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT WE CAN DO BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MANY OF US AND WE CAN'T WORK TILL 11:00 EVERY NIGHT. I MEAN, HERE LATELY I'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THERE, GOING, IT'S FIVE, TURN IT OFF AND LEAVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AS LONG AS WE GOT OUR ANIMALS TAKEN CARE OF. BUT WE, WE ALSO HAVE LIKE, LIKE THERE'S OTHER THINGS. AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE WE HAVE GREAT COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT FOR SINCE THE HELLSTORM TAUGHT US, TAUGHT A LOT OF PEOPLE STUFF.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE DOING REGISTRATIONS IN HOUSE, WE PREFERRED IT. WE GOT TO SEE THE PEOPLE, PUT THE INFORMATION IN WITH OUR STUFF. WE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD COME UP THERE, THEY'D COME REGISTER THEIR ANIMALS. NOW IT'S LIKE ONLINE. IT IS CONVENIENT, BUT IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER. BUT THAT SOFTWARE DOESN'T GO WITH OUR SOFTWARE, SO IT IS NOT I MEAN, I WAS OPPOSED TO IT, BUT ON BOARD WITH IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS WANTED. SO YOU CHANGE YOUR MINDSET TO WHAT THAT NEEDS TO BT FOR US. WE LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND DO THE REGISTRATIONS AND ESPECIALLY OUR SENIORS. THEY MAIL A LOT.

WELL, WE HAD ONE TODAY, SO WE SIT UP THERE AND WE HELPED THEM BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEND A THIRD PARTY RABIES INFORMATION FOR SOMEONE. SO WE HAVE TO HELP THEM ON THEIR PHONE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT. YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT THEY DO DO. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. WE'RE DOING THESE CALLS. BUT, YOU KNOW. IN GENERAL, I MEAN, IT WAS IT HAS REALLY KIND OF BEEN UP THE LAST THREE MONTHS, BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT, LIKE, WE'RE ALWAYS DOWN A TRUCK. I MEAN, THE CITY'S TRYING, BUT THERE'S ONE ON BUDGET. TWO YEARS AGO, WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT. I MEAN, IT'S IN THE WORKS, BUT EVERYTHING'S BEHIND EVERYTHING THAT WE UTILIZE. YOU'VE BEEN AROUND SPCA, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH ANIMAL STUFF COSTS, HOW HARD IT IS GETTING A TRUCK FABRICATED. IT'S TAKEN LIKE TWO YEARS JUST TO GET THE STUFF ON THERE. SO WE'RE RUNNING BEHIND. WE'RE CATCHING ON. COUNCIL IS DOING VERY WELL. WE'RE KEEPING SUPPORT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE IN THE NEXT YEAR. AND I MEAN YOU'RE YEAH, IT'S HUNDRED AND $20,000. AND THEN THAT GETS IN THEIR HEAD I'M LIKE, YEAH THESE ARE OVER TEN YEAR OLD VEHICLES. AND THE YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES WITH THIS. SO A LOT OF TIMES WE ONLY HAVE TWO VEHICLES. AND THEN YOU GOT AN ON CALL PERSON THAT HAS TO WORK 24 SEVEN. SO THEY THEY HAVE AN ON CALL BECAUSE THEY GOT TO GET TO THE CALL BECAUSE IT'S ONLY FOR EMERGENCY CALLS. SO THEY'RE LIKE YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING SO I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO TO THE SHELTER. SO YOU'RE SITTING UP THERE WITH ONE VEHICLE TO DO ALL THIS MAGIC FROM A RAT. SO I SEE THAT I'LL, I'LL DO THAT. I MADE SURE THAT MAYBE I CAN, EVEN IN THE PRESENTATION, DO LIKE A BARRING OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME OF THE

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KEY THINGS. WHEN I CHANGED EVERYBODY FROM WE USED TO HAVE KENNEL TECHS AND ACOS, I HAD EVERYBODY CONVERTED TO ACOS JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE ACO CAN DO A KENNEL TECHS JOB AT A KENNEL.

TECH CAN'T DO IT. AN ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER DOES OUR STAFFING. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING, PROBABLY TO PUT IN THERE. OUR STAFFING HASN'T RISEN OVER TWO POSITIONS IN THE CITY'S WENT OVER LAST 35,000, 35,000 PEOPLE. I MEAN, WHEN I GOT HERE, LIKE WE AND WHAT, 18 YEARS AGO, I MEAN, WE WERE FOUR OF US. NOW THERE'S A TOTAL OF 7.5. I CAN TELL YOU THE POPULATION WAS A WHOLE LOT LOWER. IT WAS A WHOLE LOT LESS HECTIC THAN. AND WE WEREN'T THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOXES AND THROWING MORE ROOMS UP AND TRYING TO GET THE STUFF DONE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. SO WE'RE JUST. THIS DOES SEEM TO BE HEARD AND Y'ALL ARE THE PEOPLE THAT CAN DO THAT. I CAN RANT TO OUR COUNCIL AS WELL, BUT I MEAN COME INTO THE COUNCIL MEETINGS. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GET LIKE A DUAL SESSION MAYBE WHEN WE GET TO THIS BECAUSE I'VE SEEN OTHER CITIES DO IT. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE TERMINOLOGY FOR IT, BUT YOU KNOW HOW THEY DO LIKE EVEN ECONOMIC BOARDS. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY DO THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE WE JUST HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS. AND AS CITIZENS OF THE CITY, YOU CAN REPRESENT OTHER PEOPLE. BUT WHEN IT ALL COMES DOWN TO IT, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS HERE.

WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT UP. ULTIMATELY TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. THERE'S NOTHING TO BE LOST HERE BY DOING THIS, AND WE NEED TO SEE IF THEY SEE THAT. BUT WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF WE GET ALL OF THIS INFORMATION OUT THERE NOW, THROUGH WHAT AVENUES, I DON'T KNOW. AND THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING AS A BOARD, I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO TO HELP WITH. ANYTIME YOU GET A DAY OFF WHEN I COME UP THERE, LIKE, I MEAN, COME UP THERE AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I KNOW THAT SUSAN'S BEEN UP THERE BEFORE, JUST TRYING TO TAKE PICTURES. IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE HERDING FERAL CATS ALL THE TIME. THERE'S NOT ANYBODY SITTING AROUND HERE, YOU KNOW, EATING CAKE AND HAVING A GOOD TIME. IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN. AND WE NEED THAT. THESE PEOPLE NEED THAT. THEY NEED TO TAKE A FREAKING LUNCH BREAK. SO AND VOLUNTEERS CAN HELP THAT. AND WE NEED TO STOP OVERWHELMING OUR RESCUES. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH. AND THEY HAVE TO DO AND FOSTERS. THAT'S ANOTHER NUMBER LIKE WE USE OUR FOSTER. SOME PEOPLE REALLY ENJOY DOING FOSTERING AND THAT'S GREAT, BUT I HATE HAVING TO PLEAD TO GET THEM. SOMETIMES I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, HEY, I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY GOT ALL THIS, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE SPACE FOR THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND. WE CAN'T TAKE IN A BOTTLE, BABY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A MOTHER AND LEAVE IT THERE OVERNIGHT. IF WE DON'T FIND A FOSTER BEFORE THEN THE DAY, WE HAVE TO EUTHANIZE IT.

AND THEN EVERYBODY SAYS TERRIBLE THINGS ABOUT US, LIKE WE WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WE CAN'T TAKE OUR. AND WE DO TAKE OUR WORK HOME WITH US. THAT HAS TO STOP. THERE HAS TO BE A STOP TO THEIR JOB. THEY CAN'T GO AND BOTTLE FEED BABIES ALL NIGHT AND THEN GO BACK TO WORK. THEIR MENTAL HEALTH IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE IT. IT'S GOT TO STOP. IT MEANS WE NEED VOLUNTEERS IN THE SHELTER AND MAYBE THEY CAN DO BOTTLE BABIES. MAYBE THEY'LL GO INTO SOMETHING ELSE. WE CAN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. IT'S NOT OUR FAULT. LIKE I DON'T HAVE TIME TO EAT LUNCH LIKE I WANT TO BUILD THESE, BUT THEY NEED TO BUILD THAT TOGETHER. THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE TO BUILD IT WITH US. THEY NEED TO BUILD THEIR TEAM AND HAVE THEIR SPACE AND, YOU KNOW, GET THE TRAINING AND EVERYTHING FROM US AND GET EVERYTHING SET. BUT THEY CAN THEY CAN HELP WALK THESE PEOPLE BACK. THEY CAN HELP WITH THESE DOGS THAT ARE SCARED AND CATS. SO I THINK GETTING THOSE OUT. YES. STATISTICS. GREAT. I 100% I'M A NUMBERS PERSON THOUGH, SO THAT COULD GET ANNOYING WITH THAT. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT I GET THAT TOGETHER AND GIVE IT TO YOU. I THINK FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, UNLESS THINGS HAVE CHANGED BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT. THIS BOND THING IS SHOULD BE JUST NEXT YEAR, I'M NOT 100% SURE. I THINK THERE'S CERTAIN YEARS WHEN YOU GET SO MANY TO GET. YOU DON'T WANT TO JUST DO ONE THING, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A FIRE AND SOME OTHER THINGS. SO I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER HAD ASKED ASKED FOR THIS. I KNOW THAT OUR COUNCIL ASKED FOR THIS WHEN I WAS BEFORE, WHEN I WAS TRYING TO GET THE RENOVATION DONE. WHEN THEY FINALLY GOT THE IMPROVEMENT, THAT'S BEFORE WE STARTED THAT. AND NOW LOOKING BACK AT THIS, IT'S ALMOST TWO YEARS. THINGS ARE JUST GOING TO KEEP GOING UP AND WE ALREADY KNOW WE NEED IT. HOW CAN I HOW CAN I MAKE IT SEEM THAT YES, WE'RE DOING GREAT, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP GETTING COMPLAINTS LIKE,

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OH, THEY WON'T EVEN TAKE MY ANIMAL. WELL, I'M WHERE DO WE PUT IT. YEAH. AND WE CAN'T.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO EUTHANIZE IT. WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO EUTHANIZE IT LIKE THAT. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR VERY BEST. YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE PATIENCE. AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE RUNNING OUT OF PATIENCE SOMETIMES. AND THEN WE GET THE WE GET THE BRUNT END OF THAT DEAL. AND THAT'S NOT OUR FAULT. I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS. THERE'S BEEN NO POINT. ME NOT SAYING IT, PROBABLY DISLIKED FOR IT. SOME OF LEADERSHIP PROBABLY HATES IT, BUT I'M VERY VOCAL ABOUT IT. I'VE NEVER SAID WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING WE NEED. WE DON'T.

THE CITIZENS DON'T. WE WANT TO GIVE GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE 100% OF THE TIME. BUT LOOK, I MEAN, WE DO WE GET A LOT OF GREATNESS WITH WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE GOOD PEOPLE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT YOU CAN'T EXPECT US TO KEEP DOING THIS. I THINK WE GOT TO GET THAT OUT THERE. YOU THINK WE'RE GREAT RIGHT NOW? WELL, IF WE WEREN'T BURNT OUT, TIRED AND DOING ALL THIS, I MEAN, JUST THINK HOW GREAT IT COULD BE. AND I THINK THE RELATIONSHIPS WE COULD BUILD BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO BUILD THEM NOW WITH THESE BUSINESSES. I MEAN, EVEN THE RESCUES, I MEAN, INSTEAD OF JUST DUMPING THEM ON US, MAYBE WE COULD HELP THEM, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SPACE NOW. I MEAN, NOW THEY CAN REALLY HELP. MAYBE THEY'LL STAY IN OUR CITY AND KEEP HELPING AND THEY CAN GO ACROSS THE DEALS. BUT I MEAN, IF WE'RE LIKE, HEY, OKAY, Y'ALL GOT TEN. I MEAN, NOW WE GOT THIS BIG SPACE WE CAN HOLD 45 CATS.

GREAT. DO YOU DID YOU GET THEM HERE? BECAUSE NOW, I MEAN, THEY CAN HELP US WITHIN OUR OWN CITY.

WE GOT THEM RIGHT HERE. WE GOT ONE HERE. I KNOW WE GOT ANOTHER ONE. I MEAN, AND THEY CAN CROSS THE BOUNDARIES. THEY CAN COME UP HERE AND HELP US WITH A COUPLE OF THESE MOBILE HOME AREAS WHERE THEY GET IN THERE OUTSIDE A LOT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD PROTECTION IN THESE AREAS. GET UNDERNEATH THESE UNDERPINNING AND STUFF. I'D LIKE TO JUST HIT THOSE PLACES.

WE'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH TO DO THAT. WE CAN'T. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE AT THIS POINT.

SO I AGREE WITH THAT. I'LL GET ALL THOSE STATISTICS AND STUFF, KIND OF SEE WHAT KIND OF PROBABLY NOT ME. I'M GOING TO HAVE CHRIS HELP OR SOMEBODY HELP WITH THAT, BUT WE'LL KIND OF SEE. AND WHAT MAKES I DON'T WANT TO SAY THE HIGHEST IMPACT. BUT YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M SAYING. LIKE, OKAY, WE WERE AT 20,000. THE THE PROBLEM IS WITH THAT, THOUGH, THE PROBLEM WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO WITH A LOT OF THAT IS FOR YEARS WE DIDN'T HAVE MDCS AND STUFF LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. SO IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE SKEWED BECAUSE LIKE NOW IT'S YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE TRACKED AND WE'RE TIMING IN, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE A FULL BROAD. YOU KNOW I WANT TO BE I DON'T. I HAVE A HARD TIME TURNING A STATISTIC THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS WAY LOWER WHEN I KNOW IT REALLY WASN'T LOWER BECAUSE I WORKED THERE. BUT IT JUST WE DIDN'T HAVE A GREAT TRACKING SYSTEM. SO I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I'M PADDING ANYTHING. I MEAN, I'M BEING TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY DOES SHOW THAT, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IS OUR OVERTIME. LIKE YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING AND NOBODY'S SITTING AROUND LIKE NOT DOING ANYTHING. WE CAN TELL WHEN OUR CALLS ARE OUT OVERSTRETCHED AND THERE'S CERTAIN CALLS WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUSH OVER. YOU KNOW, WE'RE CLEANING UP THE DECEASED ANIMALS WE'RE DOING. I MEAN, THAT'S ANOTHER THING. WE DO ALL OF THESE THINGS. IT'S NOT JUST FLUFFY STUFF. SO I HEAR YOU, I'LL KIND OF PUT THEM TOGETHER.

BUT IF I DON'T THINK THAT SOMETHING IS AN HONEST ARTICULATION, I WON'T INCLUDE IT ETHICALLY. I WON'T DO IT. I WON'T DO IT. I MEAN, I COULD I MEAN, IF I PUT IT OUT THERE AND I KNOW BECAUSE ETHICALLY THAT'S JUST NOT NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THINGS. I WANT TO BE AT THE IF, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS GROWN THE WAY IT'S GROWN. I KNOW IN MY 18 YEARS THAT WE HAVE GROWN A WHOLE LOT MORE. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH. LIKE IT'S, I THINK TWO AND TWO.

AND I THINK I JUST WAITED TO PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE AND ALL THE LITTLE BITS OF MONEY THAT HAVE BEEN THROWN INTO WHERE WE'RE AT AND WE'RE NEVER GETTING WHERE WE NEED TO BE. IF I CAN JUST TRY TO GET THOSE NUMBERS TO BALANCE OUT, I THINK THE GUYS CAN HELP ME WITH THAT A LOT, TOO, BECAUSE THESE TENURED PEOPLE HAVE SEEN IT, AND I THINK THAT'LL HELP. AND I KNOW YOUR RESCUES AND I'M SORRY, I KNOW THE RESCUES ARE AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEY'RE DYING AND WE'VE GOT SEVERAL RESCUES IN OUR CITY AND RIGHT AROUND OUR CITY. AND THEY ARE THEY ARE PACKED AND THEY'RE PACKED AND I CAN'T HELP THEM AND I THAT I, I DON'T LIKE THAT THESE ARE OUR ANIMALS. I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO MORE AND EVERYBODY ELSE DOES. AND BELIEVE ME, THEY VENT ABOUT IT. BUT I CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH. I'M JUST ASKING FOR THE ABILITIES TO GET THERE. SO I'LL GET ALL THAT TOGETHER. YOU GOT THAT WHILE YOU'RE COLORING, ANYONE? OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS. I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WHEN YOU SAID IT'S A CUSTOMER SERVICE ISSUE. BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THE FACILITY, I'VE SEEN, EVEN WITH THE RENOVATION, THAT YOU GUYS ARE STILL I MEAN,

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IT GAVE YOU A CHANCE TO TAKE A BREATH, BUT YOU'RE BEING SQUEEZED AND THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE HAPPENING. AND RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE THE PERCEPTION OF THE SHELTER IS IT'S IT'S NOT A PUBLIC SPACE. AND I KNOW YOU WANT IT TO BE A PUBLIC SPACE. YOU WANT THAT ADOPTION CENTER, YOU WANT TO BRING THE COMMUNITY IN. SO IT'S A COMMUNITY SERVICE. IT'S NOT JUST A PART OF THE CITY IS RUNNING THIS OR DOING ANYTHING.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENTS SHOULD REALLY TAKE PRIDE IN, AND IT'S PROTECTING THE ANIMALS IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND YOU GUYS DO A PHENOMENAL JOB WITH WHAT YOU HAVE. I JUST I CAN SEE AMAZING THINGS. IF WE CAN GET THIS TO MOVE FORWARD, I CAN SEE THE PROGRAMS. I CAN BECAUSE I'VE SEEN YOU DO IT WITH NOTHING. I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT YOU COULD DO IF YOU HAD THE FACILITIES AND THE RESOURCES TO DO WHAT YOUR HEARTS ARE TELLING YOU. THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I MEAN, I DEFINITELY HAVE MORE CATS AS MY PETS BECAUSE OF THIS ISSUE, BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE OR THERE. NO, I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON THAT. AND LIKE I SAID, AS A BOARD, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO ADVOCATE, COME TO MEETINGS, MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC HEARS EVERYTHING THAT SHEILA'S SAYING, BUT HEARS IT FROM OTHER PERSPECTIVES, TOO, BECAUSE WE ALL SEE IT. THE PROGRAMS ARE INCREASING. THE COUNCIL ADDED THE TNR PROGRAM ONTO YOU. YOU TOOK IT AND YOU'RE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB. BUT YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF SOME OF THE RESCUES WEREN'T THE ONES HAVING TO GO OUT THERE AND DO IT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CATS OUT THERE THAT YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW ABOUT, BECAUSE WE WERE OUT THERE DOING IT TOO. SO YEAH, BUT I THINK AGAIN, YOU GUYS DO A FANTASTIC JOB. I WANT TO ECHO WHAT SHE JUST SAID, BUT YOU COULD DO SO MANY MORE THINGS IF YOU HAD THE SPACE IN THE STAFFING AND THE VOLUNTEERS THAT YOU COULD. SO IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD.

NO. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE CAN NOW RECONVENE INTO THE REGULAR SESSION. THERE ARE NO OTHER ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. LET'S VOTE. ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES 5 TO 0

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.