AND GIVE HIM YOUR NUMBER. SO JUST SOMEBODY FROM A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY I'D LIKE
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TO CALL TO ORDER THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING FOR OCTOBER 7TH, 2025, 6 P.M. TAKING PLACE HERE AT 300 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD, BUILDING ONE, WYLIE, TEXAS. AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE'LL HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AND THE INVOCATION. COMMISSIONER BLACK. DEAR LORD, THANK YOU FOR GATHERING US ALL HERE TODAY TO CONDUCT THE BOARD'S BUSINESS. PLEASE GIVE US THE STRENGTH AND WISDOM TO RENDER FAIR JUDGMENT ON EVERYTHING BROUGHT BEFORE THE COMMISSION. IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THIS PORTION OF THE COMMENTS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR ISSUES THAT THEY'D LIKE TO BRING UP TO THE COMMISSION, THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT. IT'S NON-AGENDA ITEMS. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY RUSHING TO TALK, SO CLOSE IT. NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. THIS IS[CONSENT AGENDA]
CONSIDER AND ACT UPON APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING A MOTION TO ACCEPT. SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. PLEASE VOTE. OH. LET ME. PASS. IS SIX OH. ON TO ITEM[1. Consider, and act upon, a Site Plan for Lot 1, Block A of Creek Bend Industrial Park for the development of an office/warehouse use. Property located on 0.69 acres at 1603 Martinez Ln]
NUMBER ONE. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A SITE PLAN FOR LOT ONE, BLOCK A OF CREEK BEND INDUSTRIAL PARK FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN OFFICE WAREHOUSE USE. PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON .0.69 ACRES AT 1603 MARTINEZ LANE IN WYLIE, TEXAS. KEVIN. YES, OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A REQUEST TO DEVELOP TWO OFFICE WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS FOR. SO THIS IS A SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL AND IT'S FOR SHELL SPACE. THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS GOING TO BE JUST UNDER 12,000FT■!S. THE DEVELOPMENT DID ACQUIRE A VARIANCE PRIOR TO THIS SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL, AND THE MAIN PURPOSE FOR THAT VARIANCE WAS TO HAVE A REDUCTION TO THE FRONT SETBACKS FACING MARTINEZ. THEY HAVE A TEN FOOT FRONT SETBACK. THE MAIN REASON FOR THIS WAS TO ALLOW FOR THE PARKING AND THE FIRE LANE TO BE ON SITE. ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE LOT. THE DEVELOPMENT JUST WEST OF THIS HAS SOMETHING REALLY SIMILAR. AND I CAN SHOW THAT IF YOU WANT ON THE. SO IF YOU SEE THEY DID THE SAME THING, IT'S JUST MIRRORED WHERE THEY HAVE THE PARKING IN THE BACK. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY ASKING FOR. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOOK THAT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO THAT BUILDING AS WELL. THIS COMPUTER HAS BEEN SLOW TODAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT, BUT YEAH, BUT ESSENTIALLY THEY HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT'S RIGHT ALONG THE BUILDING. AND THEN THEY DO HAVE SOME LANDSCAPING. BUT YEAH, THE STREET VIEW WASN'T WORKING. SO THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. AS YOU CAN SEE. I CAN ZOOM IN.THIS IS WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR SIDEWALK RIGHT ALONG THE BUILDING. AND THEN THEY HAVE LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS ALSO ALONG THE FRONTAGE. AND THEY ARE PROVIDING ALSO A TREE NEAR THEIR BACK PARKING AREA. IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PARK, THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AND THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THEY HAVE 16 PARKING SPACES, WITH ONE BEING AN ADA ACCESSIBLE, AND FIRE SERVICES ARE GOING TO BE THROUGH MARTINEZ AND AND KRISTEN WAY.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE A FIRE LANE ON SITE. IT'S JUST AN ACCESS EASEMENT. AND THE BUILDING IS PLANNED TO BE STONE AND BRICK AS WELL. AND THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS. SO THIS WOULD BE
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THE SIDE THAT FACES MARTINEZ. AND THEN THIS IS FACING THAT INTERNAL PARKING LOT. YEAH.THAT'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE DEVELOPER IS ALSO HERE AS WELL. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS KEVIN. YEAH. WELL THIS THIS WILL BE ACCESSIBLE FOR IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE ACCESSIBLE FOR 18 WHEELER. NO, NO OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, THOSE GARAGES ARE A LOT LOWER. YEAH. THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET IN THERE. YEAH. ANYONE ELSE? WELL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO. MOVE ON WITH THIS ITEM. IS THERE A MOTION TO SECOND? OKAY. MOTION HAS BEEN MOVED THERE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. SECOND IT OKAY. THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE. AND SECOND PLEASE VOTE. SIX ZERO. THE MOTION CARRIES. NOW
[2. Hold a Public Hearing, consider, and act upon, a recommendation to City Council regarding the writing of an ordinance for a change in zoning from Single Family - 10 District (SF-10/24) to Planned Development - Townhouse District (PD-TH) on 5.52 acres to allow for single-family attached development. Property located at 603 E Marble. (ZC 2025-07)]
ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO. THE REGULAR AGENDA TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE WRITING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM SINGLE FAMILY. TEN DISTRICT SF 1024 TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT, TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT PO T ON 5.52 ACRES TO ALLOW FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY LOCATED AT 603 EAST MARBLE. Z ZC 20507. YES. SO THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A REQUEST TO REZONE 603 EAST MARBLE STREET. IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY SF 1024, AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR A TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S FOR A TRIPLEX. THE MAIN REASON THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE PD INSTEAD OF STRAIGHT ZONING IS DUE TO PRIMARILY THE DEPTH OF THE LOT BEING 75FT.MOST DEVELOPMENT IN WILY FOR EITHER TOWNHOMES OR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, IT'S AT LEAST 100FT LOT DEPTH. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR WITH THE PD. THEY'RE ALSO ASKING FOR A TEN FOOT FRONT SETBACK IN LIEU OF THE REQUIRED 25 FOOT, AND FOR REDUCED GARAGE SIZES OF 450FT■!S. SOME BACKGROD HISTORY ON THE SITE. IT USED TO BE ZONED MULTIFAMILY. IT WAS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY IN 2020. AT THAT TIME, IT WAS ZONED 2020 FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THAT PERSON, THAT PROPERTY OWNER, ALSO GOT A VARIANCE THAT REDUCED THE SETBACKS TO 11FT. BUT THAT VARIANCE DOESN'T APPLY SINCE THAT THAT WAS FOR A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS IS FOR A TRIPLEX. THE UNITS ARE GOING TO BE 1600 SQUARE FEET, WITH MINIMUM LOT SIZES OF 3500FT■!S. AND THESE AE THE ELEVATIONS THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED. WE DID MAIL OUT 14 NOTICES AND RECEIVED ONE IN OPPOSITION. WE JUST GOT THAT TODAY. SO THAT'S WHERE IT WAS LOCATED. THE ONE IN OPPOSITION WHERE THE X IS. AND THEN THIS IS THE NOTICE THAT WE GOT. AND SO YOU CAN READ IT ON YOUR COMPUTERS TOO IF YOU WANT. YEAH. IT'S MOSTLY RELATED TO TRAFFIC TRAFFIC CONCERNS. THE DEVELOPER IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL.
COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND SAID THIS WAS A TRAFFIC SAID THIS WAS A TRIPLEX.
YES. IT'S A PD TO ALLOW FOR A TRIPLEX WITH INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED LOTS. SO. THAT'S HOW THAT'S THE FLOOR PLAN. AND THE REASON IT'S A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS BECAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL VARIANCES THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. IF IT WAS ONE, IT WOULD PROBABLY JUST GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS INSTEAD OF PNC AND CITY COUNCIL. BUT YOU KNOW, AS SHOWN ON THE
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REPORT, THEY'RE THEY'RE ASKING FOR 75 FOOT LOT DEPTH INSTEAD OF 100. THE SETBACK OF TEN FEET INSTEAD OF 25FT, AND THEN A SMALLER GARAGE THAN WHAT'S NORMALLY REQUIRED. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THE JUST NUMBER OF VARIANCES. THAT'S WHY IT'S HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH THERE TALKS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF A TRIPLEX TO SERVE AS INFILL HOUSING. WHAT IS INFILL HOUSING? INFILL HOUSING IS ESSENTIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A VACANT LOT AROUND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED WITH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. OFTENTIMES THOSE LOTS CAN BE NON-CONFORMING, AND THAT'S WHY PDS ARE SOMETIMES APPROPRIATE WAY TO HANDLE THAT. IF IT'S MINOR VARIANCES, IT SOMETIMES IT'S THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS TO. IN THIS CASE, SINCE THE USE IS CHANGING FROM SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED TO ATTACHED. THAT'S WHY WE STAFF BELIEVE THE PD WAS APPROPRIATE WAY OF HANDLING THE SITUATION. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? THE PERSON WHO WAS AGAINST IT, WHAT WAS THEIR COMMENTS AS TO WHY IT'S NOT ON HERE? THIS IS RIGHT THERE. I CAN ZOOM IN ON IT. IT'S MOSTLY RELATED TO TRAFFIC. TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC CONCERNS. BECAUSE THERE IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX LOCATED JUST SOUTH OF THIS, AND IT IS A STREET THAT DEAD ENDS. SO. YEAH. WELL, KEVIN, PULLING THAT UP, BASICALLY IT WAS DUE TO LIKE TRAFFIC AND THAT THE AREA WAS REALLY ZONED AND DESIGNED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, NOT MULTIFAMILY HOMES, IS THEIR TAKE ON IT. AND YOU SAID YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THERE ARE SEVERAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THERE IS A DUPLEX AROUND THE CORNER. BUT THAT THAT DUPLEX AT 202 DOES MEET THE ZONING ORDINANCE. AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE DOWN AT 510, BUT THOSE ALSO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS WITHOUT ANY VARIANCES. SO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IS RIGHT IS NORTH OF THAT. CORRECT. SOUTH. IT'S RIGHT THERE ISN'T THERE ONE. IT'S RIGHT HERE. SO 603 IS WHERE THE MOUSE IS. AND THEN JUST THERE WAS ONE ON OAK. THERE WAS ONE FURTHER DOWN FURTHER SOUTH. IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE. OKAY. DOWN SOUTH. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. 105. OKAY, I GOT YOU. ANYONE ELSE? IT MENTIONS I DO HAVE A QUESTION. IT MENTIONS IN THE WRITEUP THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LIES WITHIN THE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL SECTOR OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. THE PROPOSED ZONING IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE PLAN. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED IS IF IT'S OKAY FOR THAT TO NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PLAN TO GO FORWARD, RIGHT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT, ALONG WITH THE VARIANCES. OKAY. YEAH. SO THE LAND USE MAP PRETTY MUCH HAS EVERYTHING NORTH OF MARBLE STREET, LIKE WHERE MY MOUSE IS AS COMMERCIAL. SO THIS, THIS WHOLE AREA, WHICH GENERALLY MEAN WAS THE PLAN THAT AS REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENED IT WOULD BE LEANING MORE TOWARDS COMMERCIAL THAN RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO MORE, WE'LL OPEN UP THE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA? WELL, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY COMING UP. SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON WITH THIS. IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.REMEMBER, THIS IS EITHER RECOMMENDING WE'RE NOT APPROVING. WE'RE RECOMMENDING ONE THING, ONE THING OR ANOTHER TO THE CITY COUNCIL. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PROPOSE TO MOVE. RECOMMEND THAT ONE. RECOMMEND. RECOMMEND. APPROVAL. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO AS PRESENTED. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND YOU HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION. COMMISSIONERS PLEASE VOTE.
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RESULTS ARE SIX OH. THE MOTION IS CARRIED. NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. I GOT GOOFED UP HERE. MY LAPTOP IS NOT DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO. ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE[3. Hold a Public Hearing, consider, and act upon, a recommendation to City Council regarding the writing of an ordinance for a change of zoning from Agricultural District (AG/30) to Planned Development (PD), amending PD 2020-54, to allow for single family residential development on 4.04 acres, generally located at 2601 & 2701 Sachse Road (ZC2025-12)]
REGULAR AGENDA IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE WRITING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AG. SLASH 30 TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD AMENDING PD 2020 DASH FIVE FOUR TO ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON 4.04 ACRES, GENERALLY LOCATED AT 202601 AND 2701 SEXY ROAD. THAT'S Z ZC 2025-12. YES. SO THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE PROPERTY THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. THE MAIN REASON IT'S ZONED AGRICULTURAL IS BECAUSE IT WAS RECENTLY ANNEXED IN AUGUST OF 2025. ALL LAND THAT GETS ANNEXED WITH THE CITY IS AUTOMATICALLY AGRICULTURAL. AND. BUT THE DEVELOPER DID THIS WITH THE GOAL OF INCLUDING THIS TRACT OF LAND WITH THE DOMINION OF PLEASANT VALLEY DEVELOPMENT.AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. IT'S THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT TO ADD THOSE 4.4 ACRES AND INCREASE THE LOTS FROM 1104 TO 1123. SO THE DOMINION OF PLEASANT VALLEY HAS THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF LOTS. THIS IS INCREASING THE TYPE A LOT FROM 149 LOTS TO ONE LOT, THE TYPE B LOTS FROM 464 LOTS TO 28 LOTS, AND THE TYPE C LOTS FROM 510 LOTS TEN LOT DECREASE. EACH LOT HAS DIFFERENT LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS. TYPE A IS 8400, TYPE B IS 7200 AND TYPE C IS 6000. AND THIS IS THE GENERAL PLAN. THEY ARE EXPECTING FOR THIS TO BE PART OF PHASE EIGHT THAT HASN'T BEEN APPLIED FOR YET, AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH JUST SHOWING THE SUBJECT. THE ZONING EXHIBIT SHOWS THE TRACT OF LAND AND NO, NO OTHER CHANGES ARE BEING PROPOSED WITH THE PD. SO IT REALLY WAS JUST AMENDING THOSE LOT COUNTS. THIS IS EXPECTED TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL ON THE 28TH. AND WE MAILED FOUR NOTIFICATIONS AND DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION OF THE REQUEST. THAT'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. MR. HAYNES DOES HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION HE'D LIKE TO GIVE. I'D SEND IT TO YOU.
OKAY. COME ON, TELL US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. MY NAME IS RON HAYNES. YEAH. THE LITTLE RED BUTTON. THERE'S A BUTTON. RIGHT. THERE YOU GO. MY NAME IS RON HAYNES. MY ADDRESS IS 6206 LUPTON DRIVE IN DALLAS. AND I AM THE OWNER AND DEVELOPER OF DOMINION OF PLEASANT VALLEY. SO THIS IS A VERY BRIEF LITTLE PRESENTATION. THAT'S THE LOCATION WHICH IS JUST INSIDE
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THE NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE TABLE THAT OUTLINES THE LOT SIZES, AS WAS MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO. WE'VE INCREASED BY ONE THE 70 FOOT LOTS BY 28, THE 60 FOOT LOTS IN REDUCED THE SMALLEST CATEGORY BY TEN LOTS. AND WE HAVE LEFT THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE THE SAME AS IT WAS BEFORE. AND BY ADDING THIS FOUR ACRES AND THE LAND PLAN OF THE WAY THE STREETS WOULD CONFORM IN THAT AREA, IT WILL IMPROVE THE CONNECTIVITY AND CIRCULATION IN THIS PART OF THE COMMUNITY. AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE THE FOUR ACRES IS AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE STREET PATTERN IN THAT AREA. JUST A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT. THESE ARE THE TYPES OF HOMES THAT WE HAVE IN THE DOMINION OF PLEASANT VALLEY. AND LASTLY, ACCORDING TO THE WEBSITES OF OUR TWO BUILDERS, GRAND HOMES AND COVENTRY HOMES, THE CURRENT PRICE RANGE OF THEIR HOMES IS BETWEEN 514,000 AND $1 MILLION. AND WITH THAT I WILL END AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. COMMISSIONERS. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THERE'S NO QUESTIONS.AND GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC MEETING. PUBLIC MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER. IS THERE ANYONE IN. THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS TONIGHT THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? NONE. AND I WILL CLOSE THE REGULAR MEETING. ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR IF NOT, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. REMEMBER, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION. IT'S NOT AN APPROVAL. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL. WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND. AND A SECOND THE MOTION AS PRESENTED, THE ITEM AS PRESENTED. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. MOTION PASSED 6 TO 0.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON THE REGULAR AGENDA IS TO CONSIDER. HERE
[4. Consider, and act upon, a recommendation to City Council regarding the writing of an ordinance for a change in zoning from Agricultural (AG/30) to Planned Development - Commercial Corridor (PD-CC) on 8.5 acres generally located at 2710 & 2722 W FM 544. ZC 2025-10]
AGAIN. WE WILL BE HOLDING A PUBLIC MEETING AFTER THIS INITIAL PRESENTATIONS. CONSIDER AN ACT UPON A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE WRITING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL AG TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR PD SIX ON 8.5 ACRES, GENERALLY LOCATED AT 2710 AND 2722 WEST FM 544. THAT'S ZC 2025-10 KEVIN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE 8.5 ACRES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE DEVELOPMENT IS FOR OFFICE, RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL SERVICES. USES. IT'S FOR SIX COMMERCIAL LOTS WITH A TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF AROUND 34,000FT■!S. THEY ARE PLANNING N HAVING SHARED PARKING THROUGHOUT ALL THE LOTS. THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ALSO HAS CONDITIONS FOR SIGNS. FOR MONUMENT SIGNS, EACH LOT IS GOING TO BE ALLOWED ONE MONUMENT SIGN, AND THEY'RE ALLOWED UP TO THREE MULTI-TENANT MONUMENT SIGNS, AND THEY'RE PROVIDING 361 PARKING SPACES. EACH LOT IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK INDIVIDUALLY WITH SITE PLAN REVIEW. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL LOOK AT. SO THESE CONFIGURATIONS THAT YOU'RE SEEING MIGHT NOT BE WHAT WE GET. SO BECAUSE THIS IS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S[00:25:03]
GOING TO HAVE TO BE A COMPLIANCE WITH FIRE CODE AND ACCESS REQUIREMENTS. THE IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE PD, IT DOES HAVE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED BY.RIGHT. SO I WOULD LOOK AT THESE USES AND THAT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING WITH THIS PD. SOME USES ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT WHERE AND OTHERS ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED BY SUP. SO IF I CAN GO BACK TO MY REPORT, IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT THOSE USES ARE AND. SO ANOTHER REQUEST THAT THEY'RE HAVING IS ANY BUILDING THAT'S OVER 40,000FT■!S, INSTEAD OF HAVING % LANDSCAPING, IT'LL BE 15%. AND THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT FOR WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING. THIS IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND USE MAP. IT'S IN THE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL SECTOR. AND SO THAT MATCHES THAT. AND WE DID MAIL 25 NOTIFICATIONS AND WE RECEIVED TWO IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST. AND THOSE ARE THOSE. THE CHECK MARKS ARE. SO KEVIN YOU SAID TWO IN FAVOR. NONE OPPOSED. NONE OPPOSED. NONE OPPOSED. YEAH. AND SO THE CHECK MARKS THERE, THE ACTUAL APPLICANT THAT WE'RE IN FAVOR. SO. JUST TO CONFIRM, THAT'S WHERE THE OLD CALDWELL BANKER. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. AND SHE IS IN FAVOR OF IT. WE GOT AN EMAIL FROM HER TODAY. YEAH. YEAH, I WATCHED THAT EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I ONLY GOT ONE QUESTION AROUND THE. DOES THE MASTER PLAN OF SIX COMMERCIAL LOTS WITH ACCESS FROM WEST FM 544. BUT THEN IT SAYS THEY ALL SHARE PARKING. IS THERE ANY KIND OF CONCERNS WITH ADA COMPLIANCE FOR MULTIPLE LOTS SHARING PARKING SPACES? NO, THAT'S FEDERAL LAW. SO AS THEY MOVE FORWARD, IF FOR EVERY 25 SPOTS, THEY WILL HAVE AT LEAST ONE HANDICAPPED SPOT THAT IS AS CLOSE TO THE DOOR AS ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE. OKAY. EACH PARTICULAR AREA. I'M WITH YOU, I HAVE MORE, BUT MY WHOLE POINT IS ZONES. I GET IT 25 SPACES, BUT YOU CAN JUST THROW THE SIGN UP AND YEAH, BUT EACH LOT WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY PARKING SPACES THEY HAVE GOT IT. AND IF THEY HAVE MORE THAN THAT, THEN, YOU KNOW, ON THAT PARTICULAR LOT, THEN THAT'S WHERE THEY'LL PROBABLY GO. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE LIKE THE BIG LOT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THREE, FOUR, FIVE PARKING AND THEN EACH OTHER LOT WILL HAVE AT LEAST ONE. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING A SCARCITY OF THAT IS WHY I BRING IT UP. SO WE GOT A DEVELOPMENT THAT BIG. WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S COVERED FOR SURE. YES SIR. SO ANYONE ELSE? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE HOOPER ROAD, IS IT GOING TO BE ADJUSTED TO HANDLE IT. THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO. THE LONG ANSWER IS YES. AS OF RIGHT NOW, HOOPER ROAD IS AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S ASPHALT WITH BAR DITCHES. IT WILL EVENTUALLY GO TO CONCRETE WITH CURB AND GUTTER. THAT BEING SAID, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MUCH WIDER THAN IT CURRENTLY IS. IT'LL GO TO PROBABLY TWO LANES, MAYBE A SUICIDE LANE, AND THAT'S AS WIDE AS IT WILL GO. THERE'S ALSO THE POTENTIAL, AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. BUT JUST AS WILEY GROWS AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH, THERE IS A STUDY THAT'S BEING LOOKED AT RIGHT NOW THAT THERE MAY BE A POSSIBLE THAT THERE COULD BE A STOPLIGHT THAT WILL GO THERE EVENTUALLY. YEAH, YEAH.
ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE BUSINESSES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. CORRECT? YEAH. YES.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? THEN WE'LL GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE CHAMBER TONIGHT THAT WISHES TO COME UP AND TALK OR COMMENT ON THIS ITEM THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TONIGHT? NOPE. I ALWAYS TRY TO GET MR. GREINER UP HERE. I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW, HE'S SHY. A LOT OF TIMES HE'LL DUCK AROUND THE CORNER IF NEED BE. IF THERE ARE NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. GO RIGHT AHEAD. WHAT GROCERY STORE? JASON IS GOING
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TO WANT TO GO IN THERE. I MEAN, KROGER AND H-E-B. H-E-B RIGHT THERE IN BETWEEN. AND ALDI. SO I NOTICED WALLS ARE GOING UP ON THE NEW H-E-B. NOTICE THAT TODAY DEFINITELY PUT US ON THE MAP. MURPHY. ANYONE ELSE? THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO. RECOMMEND RECOMMENDATION.EXCUSE ME. I RECOMMEND WE HAVE APPROVE AS PRESENTED. I HAVE A MOTION TO. RECOMMEND AS PRESENTED I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND. COMMISSIONERS. PLEASE VOTE. TALLY ON THE MOTION IS 6 TO 0. MOTION IS PASSED. NOW WE ARE GOING TO GO ON TO A WORKING SESSION. I MADE IT OKAY. THE
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WORKING SESSION IS TO HOLD A WORKING SESSION TO DISCUSS THE REZONING OF PROPERTY, GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF STATE HIGHWAY 78, JUST SOUTH OF ANNIS DRIVE. MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. SO THE APPLICANTS GOING TO COME AND GIVE A PRESENTATION. AND THEN FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NEWER TO THE THE PNC COMMISSION WORK SESSION IS JUST A BACK AND FORTH. THERE'S NO VOTES TONIGHT. THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO PRESENT SOME PLAN THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BRING BACK IN THE FUTURE. AND IN ORDER TO DO THE BEST JOB THAT THEY POSSIBLY CAN FOR WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR. THEY'RE ASKING FOR YOUR INPUT THIS EVENING. AND JUST A REAL, REAL BRIEF INTRODUCTION. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE AREA THAT WAS ZONED SEVERAL YEARS AGO BY A DIFFERENT COMPANY. AND THEY'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE MOUNDS OF WILEY RIGHT NOW, OR THE HILLS OF WILEY OR THE MOUNTAINS OF WILEY. DEPENDS ON WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. BUT THAT'S THE AREA RIGHT NOW SOUTH OF WHERE ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE FIREWOOD SALES LOT IS. AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND JUST TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT.AND MAYBE THAT'S THEY MAYBE THEY'LL BE OPEN TO THAT, I DON'T KNOW. BMX THERE'S NO THERE'S NO VOTE THIS EVENING. YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST A BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHEN THEY DO BRING FORTH A ZONING CASE. OKAY? BMX RIDERS MIGHT MIGHT NOT BE HAPPY. THE BMX RIDERS, BIKERS. SORRY. CAN YOU CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. JAMES DILLON, 53, 19 QUAIL RUN, FORT WORTH, TEXAS. THANK YOU. SO, AS JASON SAID, THIS IS A AN ASSET THAT'S SO CRESTLINE WEREN'T WEREN'T AN INVESTMENT MANAGER OUT OF FORT WORTH. WE PREVIOUSLY LENT MADE A LOAN TO THE DEVELOPER ON THIS ASSET.
THE DEVELOPER WAS OPERATING UNDER A PD AGREEMENT. WE WE EXTENDED THE LOAN. THEY DEFAULTED PRETTY QUICKLY, KIND OF POST THE LOAN. UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAD TO FORECLOSE ON THE ASSET. SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT TODAY IS WE'VE WE'VE EXPLORED A COUPLE DIFFERENT AVENUES WITH RESPECT TO THIS ASSET, WHICH WE'LL WALK THROUGH. BUT I THINK THE GOAL HERE IS TO TRY TO GET TO A SOLUTION THAT THAT PNC IS SUPPORTIVE OF AND MOVE THIS FORWARD AND DEVELOP IT. BUT WE'LL WALK THROUGH THIS PRETTY BRIEFLY AND DEFINITELY JUMP IN WITH QUESTIONS AS WE GO. SO AS I SAID, AND EVERYONE'S AWARE OF THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPER PROPOSED A PRETTY LARGE RETAIL ACCOMPANIED WITH MULTIFAMILY ON THE PROPERTY. THEY HAD APPROVAL FOR 144 MULTIFAMILY UNITS. THIS WAS APPROVED IN MARCH 2019. AS I SAID, WE PROVIDED FINANCING AFTER. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THE DEVELOPER DEFAULTED ON THAT FINANCING AND WE FORECLOSED ON THE ASSET. CURRENTLY, THE ZONING INCLUDES 144 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY AND 36,258FT■!S OF RETAIL AND OFFICE AND 11 PAD SITES. THAT'S WHAT'S IN THERE TODAY OR APPROVED TODAY. WE INITIALLY, AS AFTER WE HAD TO TAKE OVER THE ASSET, WE WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH WAYS TO MAKE THIS MORE MARKETABLE. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE CAME TO CITY COUNCIL WITH IN JUNE 2024 WAS AN EFFECTIVELY JUST INCREASING THE DENSITY FROM 144 UNITS TO AROUND 250 UNITS. WE BROUGHT THAT TO COUNCIL AND IT WAS DENIED IN JUNE OF 2024. SO WE MOVED FORWARD FROM THAT TO
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TRY AND WORK UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING. WE HAD. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER KIND OF SECOND OR SECOND ITERATION THAT WE WERE TRYING TO PREPARE WITH. RESPONSE TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT. BEFORE I GET THERE, I THINK IT'S WORTH POINTING OUT THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD WE HAD A BUYER UNDER CONTRACT FROM A MULTIFAMILY SIDE EARLIER THIS YEAR, WHICH WE INTERACTED WITH JASON, A LITTLE BIT ON THAT. I THINK THIS BUYER ULTIMATELY WASN'T ABLE TO GET WELL. I THINK THE WHERE WE FOUND OUT WAS THAT ANY BUYER FOR THIS WASN'T ABLE TO GET COMFORTABLE OPERATING UNDER THE PD THAT WAS APPROVED. SO I THINK THE PLAN OF HAVING NO RESIDENTIAL WORKED, SO TO SPEAK. SO NOT SOMETHING WE WANT, BUT I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE REALISTIC HERE AND FIND A PATH FORWARD. IT'S BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT ANY SORT OF MULTIFAMILY ON THE SITE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO ADJUST OUR PLAN ACCORDINGLY AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ASSET AND GET IT DEVELOPED. AND, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF THE DIRT PILE. SO THE PROPOSAL THAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS TONIGHT WAS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING KIND OF THE THIRD ITERATION. WE PUT ON THE THE CURRENT ZONING MAP, ALONG WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THAT THE KIND OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAS THIS PLAN FOR COMMERCIAL USE. SO WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING OR PRESENTING FOR DISCUSSION IS AN AMENDMENT AMENDING THE RESIDENTIAL APPROVALS TODAY, JUST TO MORE A STRICT COMMERCIAL USE. I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESENT HERE, YOU KNOW, WHILE I THINK FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT, WE'RE CERTAINLY SACRIFICING SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS PRETTY VALUABLE, VALUABLE, WHICH IS MULTIFAMILY ENTITLEMENTS. AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO BE REALISTIC AND KIND OF NOT FIGHT THE WIND HERE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CITY WANTS ON THIS. WE'RE NOT A DEVELOPER BY TRADE. WE WERE A LENDER. WE KIND OF GOT INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, THROUGH SOME, YOU KNOW, A LOAN THAT THAT DIDN'T GO WELL. BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HERE IS WHAT IS WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL GOALS, WHICH WE'VE KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED SOME GOALS. WE DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF PNC OR THE CITY AT ALL, BUT JUST TRYING TO OPEN THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION. SO I THINK ONE OF THEM WAS TO MINIMIZE OR ELIMINATE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I THINK THE PATH THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE DOES THAT RELINQUISHES THE EXISTING MULTIFAMILY ENTITLEMENTS, EFFECTUATE A MORE LARGE COMMERCIAL PRESENCE ON THE SITE, WHICH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE TO HERE, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND AND I THINK WHAT WE WERE TALKING TO THE OUTSET OF THIS WAS PROMOTE THE DEVELOPMENT OF A DORMANT SITE. AND I THINK WHAT WE WERE ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO DISCUSS WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOME SORT OF STREAMLINED APPROACH FOR ANY SORT OF SPECIAL USE PERMITS THAT MAY COME ALONG WITH THIS. SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE GOALS AND NEXT STEPS, BUT THAT'S THE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE AND OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION. SO I'LL STOP THERE. SO GO AHEAD IF YOU WANT TO GO FRANKLIN GO AHEAD OKAY. THE CURRENT ZONING FOR THE CURRENT ZONING FOR THIS RIGHT NOW IS KIND OF IS IT COMMERCIAL WITH LIKE SPECIAL USE FOR RESIDENTIAL OR IS IT RESIDENTIAL WITH COMMERCIAL? NO, IT WAS ACTUALLY LIKE A ALMOST LIKE A HORIZONTAL MIXED USE TYPE DEVELOPMENT WHERE IT WAS ALL KIND OF JUMBLED IN TOGETHER. OKAY. THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME APARTMENTS, LUXURY APARTMENTS OVER SOME COMMERCIAL AND YEAH, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING. SO AND THEN ONE THING THAT HE HASN'T MENTIONED AND IT'S BECAUSE THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THEIR PROPERTY. SO YOU KNOW, BUT THERE IS THIS WHOLE PD IS TIED TOGETHER WITH A TRIANGLE PIECE THAT'S LIKE RIGHT ACROSS WHERE THE THE DRAINAGE IS. AND THAT WILL ALSO HAVE TO BE REZONED. WE ARE WORKING TO GET IN CONTACT WITH THE LANDOWNER. BUT BECAUSE THAT WAS FORECLOSED ALSO BY A DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNER, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THEIR BLESSING. BUT IF NOT, THE CITY DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REZONING IT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, THEIR APPROVAL, SO TO SPEAK. BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S AN OUT OF STATE COMPANY. THE LAST WE LOOKED, YOU KNOW. SO ANYWAY THAT'S JUST PART OF THE OVERALL PROCESS. BUT THAT BEING SAID, TO GO BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, IT WAS KIND OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. AND BECAUSE OF THEY HAD A VERY SPECIFIC PLAN, IT MAKES IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR THESE FOLKS TO DEVELOP IT THAT PARTICULAR WAY, BECAUSE TO BE HONEST, IT WAS NEVER A REALISTIC PLAN TO BEGIN WITH.OKAY, THAT WAS THE BASIS FOR MY QUESTION. SO IF IT MOVES TOWARDS BEING COMMERCIAL ONLY, WOULD IT BE LIKE ONE LARGE PLOT FOR ONE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, OR ARE YOU GUYS THINKING MULTIPLE
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COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THERE OR WITHIN IT? I THINK IT'D BE MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL. I MEAN, IT'S A THE THE PAD ITSELF IS ABOUT 15.5 ACRES. SO IT'S A PRETTY LARGE, LARGE SITE. SO I THINK IT'D BE MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES. IS SINCE THIS IS A WORKING SESSION.SO I'M NOT PROBABLY ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS WITH THAT BEING ONE TRACT OF LAND. AND LET'S SAY WE IT GETS REZONED AS COMMERCIAL. CAN IT BE SPLIT UP INTO SMALLER COMMERCIAL LOTS.
YES. OKAY. YES. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH EACH INDIVIDUAL TIME? I'M GETTING TO THE STREAMLINED PROCESS. LIKE WE WOULD HAVE TO BREAK IT UP EACH AND THERE WOULD BE A SPECIAL THERE'D BE DIFFERENT SITE PLANS. IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE APPLICANT GOES FORWARD. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MAYBE THEY KEEP IT A PD, BUT JUST LIKE WIPE THE RESIDENTIAL OUT AND THE REASON FOR THEY MIGHT WANT TO KEEP IT PD IS BECAUSE IT WOULD GIVE THEM VESTED RIGHTS FOR, SAY EXAMPLE, THEY WANTED TO HAVE A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH. YEAH, THAT'S NORMALLY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH AGAIN. WELL MAYBE THEY KEEP THE PD AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO LIKE ONE RESTAURANT ON OR WITH A DRIVE THROUGH OF X NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET, YOU KNOW, ON THIS PROPERTY. AND THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION OF PD WHERE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THE ZONING AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN FOR SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S SPECIAL USE PERMIT. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD SEE BEING FAVORABLE FOR THEM TO KIND OF WRAP SOME OF THOSE THINGS IN. SO. RIGHT. BECAUSE I'M NOT SAYING THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN EYESORE. I MEAN, THERE'S A PART OF ME THAT WANTS TO GET OUT MY MOUNTAIN BIKE AND RIDE ON THE HILLS, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT REALITY. THE FASTER WE COULD GET RID OF THE MOUNDS OF WILEY, AND I THINK, HOWEVER, WE CAN HELP THEM MAKE COMMERCIAL ONLY. OKAY, THAT INCLUDES THOSE OTHER ITEMS I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD START.
ALL RIGHT. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M GOING TO KIND OF GO, OKAY, THE MAYOR USUALLY HANDLES THIS AT CITY COUNCIL. AND SO YOU CAN DO THIS GOING FORWARD. BUT JUST KIND OF AN IDEA IS YOU'VE SAID THAT YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE IDEA OF HAVING A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR BASED ZONING THAT'S WRAPPED IN A PD TO ALLOW FOR THE THE SPEEDIER DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. OKAY. SO WHAT I WOULD ASK IS EVERY COMMISSIONER KIND OF, YOU KNOW, NOD YOUR HEAD YES OR NO, THAT YOU'D BE OKAY WITH GOING FORWARD LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT GIVES THEM THE IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OTHERWISE EVERYBODY SAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE SOMETHING THERE WHERE YOU CAN GO STRAIGHT ZONING OR GO STRAIGHT ZONING WITH A, YOU KNOW, PD TO ALLOW SOME SHOPS. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AT OTHER TIMES. SO BUT LIKE DRY CLEANER ALLOWS FOR YOU KNOW, IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. WELL MAYBE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT OVER THERE. AND THEY CAN PUT THAT IN AS AN ALLOWED USE OR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. JUST NO CHICKEN PLACES. THAT'S MY ONLY REQUIREMENT. NO. NO CHICKEN. I KNOW WE CAN'T SAY NO TO THAT, BUT I'M JUST RIGHT. WE'RE PROBABLY NOT ON THE SAME PAGE.
BUT I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, BEING A RESIDENT HERE, AND WE DO LISTEN TO THE VOICES OF THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. WE GET A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT'S LIKE, HEY, WE WISH WE HAD MORE THINGS HERE, RIGHT? AND SO THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO LEAVE OUTSIDE OF IT.
THEY COME HERE FOR SERENITY. I'LL DRIVE TO CHAOS TO WORK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY. BUT I WANT TO COME HOME HERE. BUT I WANT HOME TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE THINGS. RIGHT. SO SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. SO MORE UPSCALE FAMILY. UPSCALE. YEAH. OKAY. JUST NOT RANDOM SUP STUFF.
CORRECT? OKAY. YEAH. FOR EXAMPLE, A CONTRACTOR'S MAINTENANCE YARD IS TECHNICALLY ALLOWED IN CC WITH AN SP, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE'D BE INTERESTED IN. YEAH, YEAH. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M JUST I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT THEM. I'M JUST TRYING TO THROW SOMETHING OUT. THAT MAY NOT BE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT. RIGHT. BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT SIZE OF A LOT THOUGH, YOU KNOW. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. AREN'T SAYING ART. TELL ME MIKE. OKAY. BUT I THINK OFTENTIMES I'VE ALSO SEEN WHENEVER LIKE PDS ARE PRESENTED, IT'S LIMITED TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS. AND THAT'S. YEAH, THAT'S WHY I SAID ONE EARLIER. MAYBE THAT'S YOU KNOW, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, UP TO FURTHER DISCUSSION. OKAY. ABOVE ALL ELSE WHAT WE WANT IS WHAT'S BEST FOR WILEY. RIGHT.
AND WORKING WITH YOU GUYS, HELPING YOU DO BE DIVERSE IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO COME TO US AND WE CAN WORK THROUGH IT BECAUSE AFTER ALL, WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE RESIDENTS HERE. AND I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 2020, 2005, AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES. GLAD TO SEE SOME REALLY GOOD THINGS COMING IN, I REALLY DO. BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF LAND AVAILABLE IS SHRINKING ALL THE TIME. BUT YEAH, WE WANT TO HELP YOU IF IT'S POSSIBLE AND IF IT'S THE BEST THING FOR THE WILEY NAME AND ADDRESS IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK. SURE. AUSTIN RILEY, 5429 HUNTLEY DRIVE, FORT WORTH, TEXAS. ONE
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OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO ASK AS IT RELATES TO THE PD, IT IS A LARGE SITE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD DIRECT DISCUSSION WITH PREFERRED DEVELOPERS OF THE LARGE BOX, THE GROCERS, THOSE TYPES OF FOLKS, AND THEN SOME OF THE JUNIOR BOX ANCHORS AND STUFF. AND IT'S A CHALLENGING SITE BECAUSE A IT'S MID-BLOCK, IT DOESN'T HAVE CONNECTIVITY TO IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT THAT CORNER CONNECTIVITY LIKE THE PREVIOUS CASE DID. RIGHT. EVEN THOUGH THAT'S A CHALLENGING ROAD. AND SO IT DOES LEND ITSELF TO A DIFFICULT LIKE, OKAY, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE BALANCE OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S A LARGE SITE. AND SO IF WE DO APPROACH IT IN A PD MANNER, LIKE WOULD YOU ALL BE OPEN TO OTHER TYPES OF USES BACK THERE TO COMPLEMENT THE, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL FEEL OF THE PROPERTY, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, SMALL BUSINESS OFFICE, YOU KNOW, THE COULD BE LIKE THE SMALL BUSINESS INDUSTRIAL BUILDING, STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DRESSED UP NICE. AND THEN WHAT WOULD YOU REQUIRE OF A PD IN TERMS OF A SITE PLAN? BECAUSE THAT COMPLICATES THINGS TOO, JUST IN TERMS OF LIKE MAKING THINGS AS FLEXIBLE AS POSSIBLE. AS WE KIND OF MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS WHAT THE PROPOSALS ARE, WHERE WE'RE AT AS A CITY AT THE TIME, BUT WE WOULD BE OPEN AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. I WILL SAY THIS THINGS WITH YOU FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, KICKING IN WHAT I KNOW COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE OUR WORK SESSION WITH COUNCIL IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, THEY'LL PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'D BE INTERESTED. BE INTERESTED IN LIKE A WAREHOUSE, DISTRIBUTION CENTER OR ANYTHING ON THE, ON THE BACKSIDE. RIGHT. WE'VE GOT A TON OF THOSE. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND THIS WOULD BE LIKE NON DISTRIBUTION. YOU KNOW FOR SMALL BUSINESS YOU KNOW IN THERE FOR DAYTIME YOU KNOW EMPLOYMENT. I JUST WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT ACTIVATING THAT SITE RIGHT. YOU CAN ACTIVATE IT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS. YOU CAN ACTIVATE IT WITH A JUNIOR ANCHOR OR A GROCER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SMALLER SCALE GROCER. YOU CAN ACTIVATE IT WITH PEOPLE, AND PEOPLE WOULD EITHER BE IN, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY KIND OF FORMAT, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL FORMAT OR SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE MORE DAYTIME RIGHT IN THE BACK. AND THAT'S THOSE ARE KIND OF OUR OPTIONS. AND I THINK IF, IF. YEAH. OKAY. SO RETAIL LIKE COMMERCIAL ON THE FRONT AND THEN MAYBE MORE LIKE OFFICE DENTAL DOCTORS. YEAH. JUST JUST WAIT WAYS TO ACTIVATE THE BACK OF THE SITE. WHAT DOES EVERYBODY THINK. COHESIVE WAY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO TALK WOULD THINK ABOUT IS ONE OF THE THINGS I SEE THE CITY TO THE NORTH OF US, I SEE THE DEVELOPMENT GOING IN ON PARKER AND AND COUNTRY CLUB GOT A GOLDEN CHICK AND A CAR WASH RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. ANOTHER CAR WASH. AND THEY'LL SAY, WELL, YEAH, BUT LOOK AT ALL THE EXTRA REVENUE WE'RE BRINGING IN. IT'S NOT US. SOMEBODY IN NORTH, THINK OF THE EXTRA REVENUE YOU'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING IN WITH THIS NEW CAR WASH. NO, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BE BATTLING WITH THE OTHER ONE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT BIG A THING OR GOOD THING FOR THE THIS TOWN TO THE NORTH OF US. WE JUST DON'T WANT THAT, THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO HAPPEN.WE WANT TO WATCH FOR THOSE KIND OF THINGS. WHAT WE PROBABLY WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM IS ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE TO REDEVELOP. IF IT DOES, I MEAN, WE JUST LITERALLY LAST WEEK A CAR WASH WENT UNDER HERE IN TOWN. AND NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH IT, YOU KNOW. AND THEY ARE. WELL, THAT GENTLEMAN BACK THERE WORKS FOR THE EDC. SO WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS THE CITY HAS TO SOMEHOW GET INVOLVED, AND THEY SPEND A TON OF MONEY TEARING IT DOWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT FUN FOR ANYBODY. SO THOSE KIND OF USES, YOU PROBABLY WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM ANYTHING THAT IS DIFFICULT TO REDEVELOP. YOU KNOW, BIG BOXES ARE PRETTY EASY, YOU KNOW, STRIP MALL TYPE OF STUFF'S EASY. DOCTOR'S OFFICE, SMALL OFFICE TYPE OF IS EASY. YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY GOES OUT OF BUSINESS, SOMEBODY'S READY TO COME IN AND FILL THAT SAME SPOT WITH VERY MINIMAL, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF INVESTMENT. BRING YOUR PROPOSALS. WELL, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE KIND OF LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT IS JUST, YOU KNOW GENERAL. SO I THINK INDUSTRIALS OUT MULTIFAMILIES OUT. HAVE YOU ALL THOUGHT ABOUT SOMETHING FOR TEENAGERS FOR THERE'S NOTHING HERE IN WALLINGFORD FOR THE CHILDREN TO DO. PRETTY MUCH THEY HAVE TO EITHER GO TO ALLEN AND MCKINNEY I MEAN LIKE A MAIN EVENT OR STRIKING OR SOMETHING. THAT WAS MY SUGGESTION INITIALLY. RIGHT. WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. THEY'VE TRIED TO DO THOSE AND THEY HADN'T SUSTAINED WHATSOEVER. BUT WE GOT FAMILIES. WALLY IS GROWING AS FAST AS WE CAN THINK LIKE WILDFIRE HERE. RIGHT. AND SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THAT AND
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YOU THINK ABOUT THAT SPACE IN THAT LOT. YEAH, FAMILIES ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GO THERE THAT WOULD BE SUSTAINABLE OR WHATNOT. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT BECAUSE ON THE WEEKEND IT'S IT'S KIND OF HARD TO GET OUT OF. WALLY. 544 AND 78 AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC RUNNING UP AND DOWN 78. AND SO FOR SOME HERE FOR THE CHILDREN TO DO THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, BRING MORE REVENUE HERE TO WALLY AND KEEP IT HERE RATHER THAN GOING TO THESE OTHER CITIES. THERE'S NOTHING HERE LIKE THAT. SO THERE MAY BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. AND I THINK WE'RE I MEAN, LOOK, WE'RE I THINK PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS MOVE THIS FORWARD. WE'RE NOT A DEVELOPER BY NATURE. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY. AND I THINK ONE THING, THE THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID HERE IS PUT THIS PROJECT IN ANOTHER, LIKE LOGJAM, WHERE IT SITS, WHERE WE'RE COMING BACK EVERY THREE WEEKS ON SOMETHING AND SAY, WELL, WE GOT TO WE GOT TO BID. MAIN EVENT MIRACULOUSLY SHOWED UP LAST WEEK AND THEY WANT TO DO A SITE HERE AND WE'RE COMING BACK IN LIKE SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS SAY, LOOK, WE'RE WE'RE GIVING UP SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN DOESN'T WANT, PROBABLY HAS A LOT MORE VALUE FROM A VALUE PERSPECTIVE, WHICH IS MULTIFAMILY. AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET IS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY ON, LIKE, WHAT FROM THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WHICH IS ULTIMATELY IS LIKE. SO I THINK FROM I THINK THAT'S WHAT AUSTIN'S QUESTIONS WAS OR A LITTLE BIT AROUND THE SITE PLAN IS LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE A LIKE WE'RE WE DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GONE OUT AND, YOU KNOW, STARTED TALKING TO COMMERCIAL USERS LIKE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE WHAT'S OUT THERE ON THAT KIND OF REALM. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN START MOVING FORWARD. AND, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY A SMALL GROCER COMES UP, WE WE GO OUT. IT'S ACTUALLY COMMERCIAL. A SMALL GROCER COMES IN, WE CAN PUT THEM IN THE SITE. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO SOMETHING HERE VERSUS JUST GET LOGGED, JUST GET KIND OF BOGGED DOWN. I THINK THE MAIN QUESTION, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE BIG HURDLE TO GET OVER IS A PD WITH CC UNDER WITH COMMERCIAL COURT OR UNDERLYING ZONING THAT ALLOWS FOR SOME SHOPS TO BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN ORDER TO SPEED UP THEIR PROCESS. YEP. IS THAT WHAT. THAT'S THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. YEAH. AND EVERYBODY'S GENERALLY ON BOARD WITH THAT. I MEAN, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE ULTIMATE USES ARE. AND WHEN THE ZONING CASE COMES IN, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GIVE YOU YOUR OPINIONS ON THOSE PARTICULAR ONES. I THINK I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD HANDLE ON WHAT THESE FOLKS ARE GENERALLY INTERESTED IN. AND SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AFTER WE GO TO COUNCIL AND GET THEIR INPUT ALSO. YEAH. AND I THINK AND THAT'S WHY I HAD ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SITE PLAN. AND IT BEING SITE PLAN, WAIVER SITE PLAN REQUIRED. AND JUST I DIDN'T KNOW HOW YOU WE CAN'T DO THAT WITH PDS OKAY. YEAH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT OKAY. SO YOU WELL SO IT'S JUST SOME YOU KNOW SOME MUNICIPALITIES CAN WAIVE THAT STUFF. AND SO YEAH IT JUST IS OKAY. SO IS IT GENERAL SITE PLAN. LIKE HOW DOES IT. YEAH YOU WOULD HAVE TO EVERY LOT THAT WOULD COME IN WOULD HAVE TO BE JUST LIKE THAT PD THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL THIS EVENING. THEY HAVE SEVEN LOTS RIGHT. EACH ONE OF THOSE IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AS A SEPARATE SITE PLAN. BUT IT'S JUST TO THIS BOARD. THIS THIS BOARD HAS JUST US. YEAH.THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPROVE IT. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, USUALLY A 3060 DAY TYPE OF YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S PRETTY QUICK. OKAY. IT'S NOT LIKE ZONING WHERE YOU'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH AN ENTIRE HUGE PROCESS WITH IT. AND THEY'LL BE BY. RIGHT. SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING IT. YOU KNOW, IF AS LONG AS YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE THE ORDINANCE, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND THEN YOU MOVE FORWARD. ONCE YOU GET THAT ESTABLISHED, IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LISTING OF THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORY. AS AS LONG AS YOU'RE IN THOSE, YOU'RE IN WITH WHAT'S CALLED BY. RIGHT. YEAH, RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING IS FOR. OKAY. AND SO YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE TO IT CUTS A LOT OF THE PAPERWORK OUT OF IT.
AND THEN YOU'LL KNOW WHO TO IF YOU HAVE TO DEVIATE A LITTLE BIT FROM, YOU KNOW, SAY ONE OF THOSE PADS, SAY IT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT WIDER. YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A THAT'S NO PROBLEM.
IT'S NOT LIKE A SIGNIFICANT OKAY. IT'S JUST WE ARE SO TIED LIKE SHACKLED TO THIS SITE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS FREE. YOU GUYS UP. YEAH. AND IT'S IT'S JUST IT'S REALLY IT'S ABOVE ALL ELSE YOU GUYS HAVE GOT TO BE ABLE TO DO YOUR WORK, DO YOUR JOB. AND AND I THINK OKAY. COUNCIL ALSO KNOWS BECAUSE THEY'VE TALKED TO YOU ALL YOU KNOW THEY'VE SEEN YOU BEFORE THAT YOU'RE NOT THE DEVELOPERS. YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT EVEN GOING TO BE THE ULTIMATE YOUR JOB. YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW YOU WANT TO GET THE ENTITLEMENTS IN PLACE. SO HAVING A VERY SPECIFIC ZONING EXHIBIT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN. WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN IS GETTING RID OF THE OLD AND GETTING THE NEW ENTITLEMENTS IN PLACE TO SHOW USES THAT WILL BE ALLOWED YOU NOT SPECIFICALLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAIN EVENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? RIGHT. JUST IN GENERAL, LIKE, HEY, RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE THRUS ARE ALLOWED BY. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL INSIDE
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AMUSEMENT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. BECAUSE SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE SUPS. RIGHT. AND THEN THERE WILL BE OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD BE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING ANY MORE OF THESE. OKAY. YOU KNOW, AND SO THOSE WOULD THOSE WOULD REMAIN AS SPECIAL USE PERMITS IF IT CAME DOWN TO IT, YOU KNOW. SO THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE THING, BUT ONLY FOR THE THINGS THAT ARE MORE CONTROVERSIAL. YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, A CAR WASH, OKAY. OR A SMOKE SHOP, DON'T DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO PULL YOU BACK TO THE 35,000FT LEVEL AND GET YOU OUT OF THE WEEDS. THIS IS PERFECTLY POSITIONED. IF YOU GO LOOK AT SAXY AND YOU LOOK AT US, THERE'S NOTHING. YOU'VE GOT OPPORTUNITY AND THERE'S NO LIKE BIG STEAKHOUSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS IF YOU STAY AT 35,000FT AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING, THEN I THINK YOU'LL GET A LOT OF BUY IN. SO LIKE IF YOU SAY, LOOK, LET'S SAY WE'LL KEEP IT THE MOUNDS OF WILEY AND WE'LL SAY, LOOK, WE WANT A STEAKHOUSE OR WE WANT THIS OR THIS, BECAUSE HAVE YOU EVER SEEN, WHAT'S THAT ONE IN ALLEN? THE ONE THAT. CREEKVIEW OR CREEK? WATER CREEK. WATERS CREEK WITHOUT THE APARTMENTS. I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT.WITHOUT THE APARTMENTS WOULD GO CRAZY. AND SAXY AND WILEY, I'M JUST SAYING THAT A 35,000FT LEVEL, IF YOU COULD LAY IT OUT WHERE IT ALL WORKS TOGETHER AND SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE BRING PEOPLE IN. BUSINESSES ON TOP, LITTLE BUSINESSES ON TOP, LIKE THEY DID THAT IN FIREWHEEL YOU HAVE THE BUSINESSES ON BOTTOM, AND THEN THE LITTLE BITTY BUSINESS LIKE A REGIS OR SOMETHING ON TOP. SO YOU'RE GETTING PEOPLE DOWN THERE AND YOU'RE GOING, LOOK, WE GOT THIS PLACE THAT NOBODY ELSE HAS. THERE'S NOTHING UP 78 AND THERE'S NOTHING DOWN 78. YOU GET TO FIREWHEEL, YOU'RE PLOT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A GOLD MINE IF YOU DID IT RIGHT. SO JUST THINKING THAT A 35,000 FOOT LEVEL TO THINK ABOUT IT THAT WAY, OKAY. OH, NO. GAS STATIONS. CUT IT DOWN. YEAH, WE GOT ENOUGH OF THEM. INGRESS. EGRESS ISN'T GREAT FOR GAS. AND AT THAT LOCATION ANYWAY. SO. YEAH. YOU WANT THE CORNER? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO ADD? YOU KIND OF KNOW WHAT WE WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AT LEAST. YEAH. WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL. YEAH I THINK SO. I MEAN WE'VE WE'VE GONE THROUGH COME THROUGH THE, THE USE TABLES HAVE A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING. THERE IS SOME OVERLAP. THERE IS SOME KIND OF STRANGE OVERLAP IN SOME CASES WHERE LIKE DOESN'T ALLOW AMUSEMENT HERE OR DOES HERE. AND SO I THINK JUST TRYING TO FINE TUNE THAT AND JUST PLUG THINGS IN. I THINK WHAT MAY BE HELPFUL IS WHEN WE DO THIS WORK SESSION AT COUNCIL, THAT YOU AND I HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION BASED ON THEIR INPUT, AND MAYBE TRY TO LOCK A COUPLE OF THOSE USES TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL AND GO, HEY, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING THESE IN THE PD. WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? THAT WAY WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT FIRMER IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE INTERESTED IN. SO IF YOU WANT TO GET IN TOUCH WITH ME BEFORE WE GO TO THE COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE, I THINK THE 28TH, THREE WEEKS FROM TONIGHT, AND DO THE WORK SESSION AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. THANK YOU. OKAY, JUST ONE QUESTION IN TERMS OF TIMING ON HOW LIKE LIKE THE PD DEVELOPS, LIKE SO FOR US LIKE WE'LL OBVIOUSLY BE IN TOUCH ON THIS BUT LIKE HOW HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT LIKE IS THERE A TYPICAL I MEAN, THE WAY I KIND OF THINK ABOUT THIS AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE THINKING THE SAME THING IS LIKE THIS IS KIND OF A IT'S NOT LIKE A PD IN LIKE THE NORMAL SENSE. THIS IS MORE OF LIKE A HOPEFULLY KIND OF A PD LIGHT OR SOMETHING. RIGHT? WHERE WE'RE JUST LAYING WE'RE SAYING IT'S REALLY IT'S REALLY LAYING OUT WHAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IS KIND OF THE LIKE MAIN COMPONENT HERE. SO, SO FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE THERE, I THINK AGAIN WE WANT TO THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN ON EVERYONE'S HANDS FOR A LONG TIME. WE JUST WANT TO GET THIS MOVING. SO YEAH, ONCE WE GET TO COUNCIL'S INPUT I MEAN KEVIN AND I CAN WORK WITH YOU ALL TO GET THIS. OKAY. BACK BEFORE THIS COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL PRETTY QUICKLY. OKAY. GREAT. ONE THING TO LOOK AT BROAD CATEGORIES. YEP. THE BROADER YOU CAN KEEP IT BUT BE SPECIFIC IF POSSIBLE. BUT DON'T BECAUSE THEN WE CAN GET THINGS DEFINED UNDERNEATH THAT. PERFECT. NOW WE'LL GO INTO THE SITE PLANS.
GREAT. COOL. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH. WE WILL
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HAVE A MEETING IN TWO WEEKS. IT'LL BE JUST AS BUSY AS THIS ONE, IF NOT A LITTLE MORE. AND I'VE SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL. BUT THEY MADE IT OFFICIAL TODAY. THE PLANNING MONTH PROCLAMATION WILL BE ON THE AGENDA NEXT TUESDAY, SO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ALL OF YOU HERE IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE. THAT'LL BE RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. SO BE HERE AT SIX AND YOU'LL GET INVITED DOWN TO MARRY ME. AND I'LL MAKE MY LITTLE SPEECH AND INTRODUCE EVERYBODY, AND THAT'LL BE THAT. BUT YOU CAN IF YOU WANT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO. SO, YEAH,[01:00:07]
NEXT TUESDAY WE'LL HAVE THAT. AND THEN THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY WE WILL HAVE A MEETING. WE'VE GOT, LIKE I SAID, FIVE SIX ITEMS ON ALSO. SO FINISHING OUT THE YEAR BUSY. YEAH. ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO PRESENT TONIGHT. THEN I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION'S BEEN MADE TO ADJOURN. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECOND TO ADJOURN. ALL VOTE PLEASE. NO. YOU CAN STAY HERE. THE MOTION PASSES* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.