[Historic Review Commission on September 25, 2025.]
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ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THE HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 25TH, 2025, 2025. THIS TIME IS 614. FIRST UP IS ANY COMMENTS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY? NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND FIRST UP IS TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE JULY 24TH, 2025 HISTORIC REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING.
EVERYBODY REVIEWED THEM. I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN. SECOND THE MOTION. WHERE ARE WE VOTING? ARE WE RAISING OUR HAND? WAIT.
WHICH ONE? OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. PASSES. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA, WHICH IS CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A REQUEST REGARDING THE ENCLOSURE OF AN EXISTING OUTDOOR COVERED STORAGE AREA AND CONVERSION OF A GARAGE FOR OVERFLOW SEATING FOR RESTAURANT LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REPLACE AN EXISTING SCREENING FENCE.
THAT'S THIS AREA RIGHT THERE WHERE THE MOUSE IS MOVING. HOPEFULLY YOU SEE THAT WITH A NEW LOT NON-LOAD BEARING PARTITION WALL FOR THAT STORAGE AREA. AND THEN ALSO TO ADD KIND OF REDO THE FACADE FOR THIS, I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WILL ADD AN AREA TO THAT. IT'LL ADD A FEW SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR A FOYER, THAT SORT OF THING. AND WHAT THEY'RE SEEKING IS HRC APPROVAL ON ON THESE FEW THINGS. AS MENTIONED, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO PROVIDE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEY ARE GOING TO USE ALL THE SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO EXISTING MATERIALS AND COLORS AND THAT SORT OF THING. THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1900, BUT THE ADDITIONS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADDITIONS TO ADDING TO WAS ACTUALLY JUST BUILT IN 1993. THEY'VE LISTED THEIR COLORS THERE. THOSE ARE LISTED IN THEIR REPORT. WHAT I CAN SHOW YOU IS THIS IS THE CURRENT VIEW. SO WHAT YOU WELL, THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY TOO CURRENT BECAUSE ACTUALLY RIGHT HERE THERE IS A SCREENING WALL RIGHT NOW. AND THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT A PERMANENT WALL. THEN THIS WILL GO AWAY. THIS WILL GO AWAY. AND THEN THIS WILL BE LIKE AN ACTUAL FOYER AREA THAT WILL LOOK MORE LIKE LET ME SEE HERE, GET TO IT. THIS THERE WE GO. SO THERE'S YOUR EXISTING STRUCTURE. YOU CAN SEE THIS EXISTING STRUCTURE TO REMAIN. THAT'S THAT'S THIS RIGHT HERE WILL STAY. AND THEN YEAH. YEAH THAT'S GOING TO STAY. AND THEN THE NEW FOYER WHICH I'M POINTING TO RIGHT NOW WITH THE RAMP DOWN RIGHT HERE, THAT WILL TAKE THE PLACE OF THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. SO THIS GARAGE DOOR WILL NO LONGER BE THERE, AND IT WILL LOOK MORE LIKE THAT. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN. I'M REAL CONFUSED ON WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. ON HERE. SO WHAT IS THIS RIGHT HERE USED FOR NOW THAT'S THE OUTDOOR.
THAT'S THE TRASH BIN IF I'M CORRECT. YEAH, THAT'S THE TRASH BIN. SO THAT THEN OUR TRASH FOLKS NEED ACCESS TO THAT. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE ENCLOSURE FOR THAT. WHAT IT'S GOING TO GO FROM SANDRA IS JUST THIS WHERE YOU SEE THE GARAGE DOOR HERE. OKAY. THIS WAY. AND KEEP IN MIND LIKE RIGHT NOW THIS AREA IS ACTUALLY ENCLOSED IN WITH A WALL. THIS IS NOT AN UP TO DATE PHOTOGRAPH. THIS IS GOOGLE MAPS. SO THIS RIGHT HERE THERE'S A WALL RIGHT HERE. SO THIS IS GOING TO GET ADDED TO IT'S GOING TO COME OUT THIS WAY. IT'LL BE A FOYER THAT MATCHES THIS COMING THIS WAY. AND THEN THERE'S AN ADA RAMP THAT WILL COME DOWN AND SIT SOMEWHERE
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ABOUT THERE WOULD BE MY GUESS. WE DON'T HAVE A PICTURE TO SEE WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE.BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE. OH. IS IT? HANG ON. I'VE GOT A DRAWING IN THERE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS ON THE. I'M SORRY. YEAH, YEAH. I HAVE AN ELEVATIONS ON THAT. YOU HAVE THIS THIS DOCUMENT. LET ME CHECK. LET ME JUST SECOND IT. IT WELL IT WAS IN THAT AND THEN I BELIEVE. IS THAT IT. RIGHT THERE. THERE WE GO. I'M SORRY. THERE YOU GO. THAT HELPS.
THAT'S SO SANDRA. THIS. YOU SEE THAT THIS IS THE ROOF RIGHT HERE. OKAY. AND THEN THERE'S THE GARAGE DOOR SO THAT THIS WILL BE A THAT WHEN THE WEATHER GARAGES WILL BE A WINDOW BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COME OUT FROM THERE AND THEN IT'LL COME DOWN THIS WAY AND THEN THIS RAMP WILL BE OUTSIDE, AND THEN THIS WALL WILL BE RIGHT HERE BEHIND THIS TREE RIGHT THERE.
AND WHAT'S BEHIND THE WALL GOING TO BE BEHIND THE WALL? I BELIEVE IT'S ADDITIONAL STORAGE.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. SAME THING THAT'S THERE NOW. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE FIVE OF THIS, THIS DOCUMENT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR. OKAY. GIVE ME JUST A SECOND. OH I CAN'T PULL THAT UP BECAUSE THIS IS A GUEST COMPUTER. GIVE ME JUST A SECOND. SEE IF I CAN FIND IT ON HERE.
AND I CAN SHOW THEM THAT WAY. I HAVE FIVE, 11, 16 LIKE THAT. YEAH. LET ME JUST HAVE THAT.
YEAH, YEAH. AND NOW THIS. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT'S MORE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW. RIGHT. AND THE IDEA IS WE'LL PASS THOSE AROUND. WE'LL PASS THEM AROUND TO REPLACE THAT EXISTING FENCE WITH THIS WALL THAT MATCHES THE PACE OF THE BUILDING SO THAT IT ALL IT'LL LOOK A LOT BETTER WHEN IT'S DONE. WELL, THE MISSING PIECE FOR ME WAS NOBODY SAID THAT. I DIDN'T SEE WHERE IT SAID THAT. THE GARAGE IS NOW GOING TO BE A MEETING PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO EAT. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? TURN ON NOW, MIKE. INTRODUCE YOURSELF. HI, MY NAME IS BRIAN ROGERS DESIGN DRAW BUILD LLC CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT. THE GARAGE THAT WAS PART OF THE DESCRIPTION OF THE THE GARAGE IS BEING TURNED INTO AN OVERFLOW SEATING AREA. AND TO FACILITATE THAT, TO FACILITATE THAT, THEY WANTED TO TAKE AND PUT A PARTITION WALL ACROSS THE PART THAT IS VISIBLE ON JEFFERSON, AND A PARTITION WALL UNDER THAT CANOPY ON THE INSIDE TO BASICALLY JUST DRAW IT IN. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HEATED IN AIR CONDITIONS, BUT IT'S GOING TO DRY IT IN TO SAVE EQUIPMENT FROM RUSTING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT AS FAR AS HRC FROM THE JEFFERSON STREET, AS WELL AS IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE SIDE AND YOU LOOK BACK IN, ALL YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS A WALL WITH MATERIALS THAT MATCH EXISTING AND COLORS THAT ARE ON THE HISTORICAL PALETTE THERE AS WELL. SO THERE WE HAVE THE PALETTE IN THE BACK, AND WE'VE NAMED THE ONES THERE. SO THE COLORS ARE THE COVER. THE FOYER IS GOING TO SIT ON THE FRONT OF IT. IT'S GOING TO MATCH THE ROOF LINES. IT'S GOING TO MATCH THE SIDING. THE COLORS WILL MATCH FROM THE HISTORICAL PALETTE AS WELL, AND IT WILL CREATE A AIR GAP AS THEY COME UP AND COME IN. THAT WILL MAKE THE BUILDING MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT, PLUS A LITTLE BIT OF ARTICULATION ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WILL JUST ADD TO THE VIEW THE BEAUTY ON THE FRONT. SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO THIS NEW PARTITION WALL, IS IT GOING IN THE SAME PLACE LIKE BEHIND THAT TREE EXACTLY WHERE YOU SEE THE FENCE. OKAY. HOW IS THAT HOW I GUESS. HOW'S THE NEW PARTITION WALL BEING SECURED? I'M SORRY. PARDON? THE NEW PARTITION WALL.
IS IT BEING SECURED TO THE BUILDING? YES. I MEAN, IT WILL BE BUILT UP. IT'S A WALL. SO IT'LL HAVE A SOLE PLATE. IT'LL HAVE STUDS COMING UP. OKAY. UNDER EXISTING LUMBER ON THE FRONT. OKAY. SO IT'S GOING TO BE ATTACHED WITH TOP PLATES. EVERYTHING JUST LIKE BUILDING A REGULAR WALL OKAY. AND THEN WHEN YOU SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO MATCH, DO YOU MEAN MATCH LIKE THE MAIN BUILDING OR THE GARAGE? BECAUSE THE GARAGE DOESN'T HAVE, LIKE, THE WINDOWS ARE NOT PAINTED LIKE THE MAIN BUILDING. SO IS IT GOING TO WHICH ONE'S IT GOING TO MATCH. IT'S GOING TO MATCH THE GARAGE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S ATTACHED TO OKAY. IT'S ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY ATTACHED TO THE WELL I MEAN LIKE RIGHT. BUT I MEAN, ALSO LIKE WHEN YOU REPLACE THE GARAGE DOOR WITH A WINDOW, SO YOU'RE IN THE SIDING TOO, BUT LIKE THE GARAGE DOOR WILL JUST
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BE FILLED IN. AND THEN A SEPARATE ROOM FOYER WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE FRONT OF IT. SO THE WINDOW YOU'RE SEEING ON THAT DRAWING IS IS OUT IN THE FOYER. YES. I'M SORRY, I'M POINTING UP THERE AS IF. YEAH, BUT YES, THAT WINDOW IS OUT IN THE FOYER. I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THIS IS 2D AND IT'S LIKE A 3D WHERE THERE'S LIKE A HOWEVER, LIKE TEN FOOT OR HOWEVER WIDE THE FOYER IS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. SEE, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS LIKE RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THE GARAGE DOOR IS NOW WHERE I'M POINTING GARAGE DOOR. RIGHT. OH, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A GARAGE DOOR. NOW THIS IS THE CURRENT PICTURE, RIGHT? NOT THIS ONE. GOTCHA.THAT THAT PICTURE IS ABOUT THE CURRENT. THAT PICTURE IS ABOUT A WEEK OLD. A WEEK OLD. SO IT'S NOT THE BIG. YEAH I'M JUST USING THAT FOR A POINT OF REFERENCE OKAY. SO THIS IS. IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR REASON WHY THE TRASH CAN AREA WAS SET WHERE IT WAS INSTEAD OF BEHIND THE BUILDING? I CAN TELL YOU THAT I DID THE ORIGINAL BLUEPRINTS TO CONVERT THIS HOUSE INTO TASTE OF HOME. AND THAT'S ALWAYS WHERE THE GARBAGE CAN IS ALWAYS BEEN. WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY COVERED IT. NOW YOU DON'T LOOK AT THE DUMPSTER. I MEAN, IT IS A METAL WALL, BUT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT A DUMPSTER LIKE IT WAS BACK ORIGINALLY. JASON, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY THAT? I DON'T THINK IT COULD GO ANYWHERE ELSE. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. IS THAT WHY IT'S RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S. THAT'S WHY IT'S RIGHT THERE. IT'S BECAUSE YOU GOT TO REMEMBER, EVEN THOUGH IT COULD THEORETICALLY, MIGHT POSSIBLY FIT AROUND THE CORNER, HE'S GOT TO GET TO IT AND, YOU KNOW. YEAH. WELL, I CAN TELL YOU TWO THINGS. ONE, THERE'S NO MANEUVERING ROOM IN THAT ALLEY, AND THERE'S NO THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM UNLESS THEY IMPOSE ON THE NEIGHBORS AND SET IT OVER THERE. BUT THERE'S STILL NO ROOM FOR C.W.D TO MAKE. YEAH, THERE'S THERE'S JUST LITERALLY NO OTHER PLACE TO PUT IT. THAT'S. I JUST THOUGHT AUTOMATICALLY THAT WOULD. RIGHT. OH, SURE. YEAH. I CAN TELL YOU THAT HAVING BEEN THERE MULTIPLE TIMES, IT'S NOT REALLY AN ISSUE. THEY DO A GREAT JOB WITH CLEANLINESS AROUND THERE. YEAH.
THERE YOU GO. YEAH. SO YES, THE WHOLE IDEA IS JUST SIMPLY AS YOU SEE THERE TO REPLACE THE FENCE WITH THE PARTITION WALL. WE CALL IT A PARTITION BECAUSE IT'S NOT LOAD BEARING. THE LOAD BEARING IS IN THE EXISTING COLUMNS AND HEADERS AND BEAMS IN THERE. SO THERE'S NO STRUCTURAL CHANGES. WE'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE IT MATCH THE BUILDING THAT IT IS BEING ATTACHED TO. OKAY. AND THEN THE NEW RAMP, IS THAT GOING TO MATCH THE RAMP THAT'S ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. NO THIS IS GOING TO BE CONCRETE. WELL I MEANT THE HANDRAILS. THE HANDRAILS. YES. WE CAN MAKE THE HANDRAILS LOOK LIKE ANYTHING. YOU KNOW, THE PLAN RIGHT NOW, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IS THEY'RE GOING TO MATCH THE SAME OTHER THAN THE OTHER HANDRAILS. OKAY.
AND SO CURRENTLY THAT GARAGE DOOR IS NOT THERE. THERE IS A REGULAR DOOR. YES. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BE REPLACING IT WITH A WINDOW. YES AND NO. THE WINDOW IS ABOUT EIGHT FEET FARTHER.
THERE YOU GO. RIGHT THERE. SEE THERE. SEE THAT DOOR? THERE'S THE DOOR THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE BY EIGHT FEET. SIX INCHES. WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S GOING TO BE OUT. SO THAT'S A WHOLE NEW SEPARATE THIS WHOLE THIS NEW WHERE IT SAYS NEW FOYER. THAT'S THE ADDITION.
IT'S GOING TO GO OUT HERE. YEAH. YOU GOT TO HAVE A DOOR TO GO IN THERE. RIGHT. BUT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE ADDING A WINDOW. YES. RIGHT. WHICH I GUESS IS STILL MY QUESTION. WILL THE WINDOW BE FRAMED TO MATCH THE FRONT BUILDING OR THE GARAGE, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE COLORED TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS? THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN THE GARAGE NOW ARE ON THE ALLEY AND ON THE BACK SIDE OF THIS PICTURE. SO I WOULD SAY WE COULD JUST AS EASILY MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE FRONT FRONT BUILDING TRIM IS TRIM. WE CAN MAKE IT LOOK LIKE WHATEVER IT CAN MATCH. BRIAN. SO IF YOU LOOK UP THERE, YOU CAN MATCH LIKE THIS DOOR AND THIS WINDOWS. OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT THEM MATCH THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE NOW THIS THE GARAGE AREA IS GOING TO BE AN OVERFLOW.
THAT'S PERSONALLY TO ME TO THAT WOULD BRING MORE CONSISTENCY. WE CAN MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THAT WINDOW ABOVE. WE CAN MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE DOOR BELOW. IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S TRIM AND THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. OKAY. DOES MY ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? WHAT IF IT CAN YOU SEE THESE WINDOWS. WHAT IF THEY MATCH THOSE WINDOWS. THEY'RE. ARE YOU I MEAN I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I MEAN I JUST THINK YEAH BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE SAME. THOSE ARE ALSO THE SAME AS THAT.
YEAH. I JUST THINK THAT CONSISTENCY EITHER WAY. SO I DON'T. ANYBODY ELSE AGREE WITH YOU. YEAH. MATCHING THOSE WINDOWS ABOVE THERE WILL MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS ALWAYS BEEN
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THERE. YEAH OKAY. AND AGAIN THAT'S JUST TRIM WORK. SO THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE. SO BRIAN ASSUMING THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO COUNCIL, I'LL NEED A NEW DRAWING WITH THIS TO SHOW THAT THIS WINDOW IS GOING TO MATCH TRIM AND COLOR WITH EXISTING. OKAY.ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OR DO YOU WANT TO JUST STIPULATE IT IN THE MINUTES TONIGHT AND WE WILL GO. WELL NO I'M JUST SAYING EVEN IF THEY ESPECIALLY IF THEY DO STIPULATED IN THE MINUTES. BUT REGARDLESS I'M GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO NEED THAT. YEAH I CAN DO IT OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS. NO. OKAY. HOW ABOUT YOU, SANDRA? ARE YOU GOING TO TRY TO DO ANY MORE OUTSIDE SEATING THERE LIKE AROUND THAT TREE OR ANYTHING RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO ROOM. NO, NOT AT THIS TIME. NO, I CAN'T TELL. HOW MUCH ROOM IS THERE. I CAN JUST SEE IT. SO. SURE. I THINK THAT BY THE TIME WE GET THE RAMP IN THERE WITH THE RAILING AND STUFF. ANY SEATING OUT THERE WOULD BE TAKEN UP. YEAH. OKAY. I'M GOOD. OKAY.
OKAY. ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. THAT WE.
OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE WINDOW ON THE FOYER MATCHES THE EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE BUILDING CRAFTSMAN STYLE, OLD SCHOOL CRAFTSMAN STYLE. NOT THIS NEW STUFF, PLEASE. ANYBODY WANT A SECOND? YEAH, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.
OKAY. MOTION PASSED. COMMISSIONERS, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. HOW SOON WE'RE GOING TO BE SITTING IN THIS NEW ROOM. WE MIGHT WANT OUR TABLE MOVED OUT THERE. 2 TO 3. 2 TO 3 WEEKS. WOW. WOW. YEAH.
WELL, HEY, IT'S GOT TO GO TO COUNCIL. OH, YEAH. THIS IS ONLY RECOMMENDED. DOESN'T GO TO COUNCIL UNTIL THE 14TH BECAUSE THAT'S THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. YES, SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS NOTHING ELSE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA? NO. AND AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SUBMITTALS FOR NEXT MONTH. AS OF AS OF RIGHT NOW. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.