Sep 09, 2025 City Council & Work Session

[CALL TO ORDER]

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CALL TO ORDER THE SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THE CITY OF WYLIE, TEXAS AT THE WYLIE MUNICIPAL CENTER. THE TIME IS 6 P.M. WE DO ASK IF YOU'RE HERE THIS EVENING AND YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SET IT TO VIBRATE OR TURN IT OFF SO AS NOT TO DISTURB PROCEEDINGS. IF YOU DO GET A CALL THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE, WE ASK THAT YOU STEP OUT TO OUR ATRIUM. MADAM, ASSISTANT CITY SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE ROLL AT THIS TIME? MAYOR MATTHEW PORTER, PRESENT. COUNCILMAN DAVID DUKE, PRESENT. COUNCILMAN DAVID STRANG, PRESENT. COUNCILMAN TODD PICKENS, PRESENT. COUNCILMAN SCOTT WILLIAMS. PRESENT.

COUNCILMAN SID HOOVER, PRESENT. MAYOR PRO TEM. GINO. PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MISS BRADLEY. SO AT THIS TIME, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION, WHICH I WILL LEAD, FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE LED BY OUR MAYOR PRO TEM. DEAR LORD, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE MANY BLESSINGS THAT YOU'VE BESTOWED UPON ALL OF US HERE. WE THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN SUCH AN AMAZING PLACE, IN SUCH A GREAT STATE, IN THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. WE COME BEFORE YOU, AND WE ASK YOU TO BLESS THOSE WHO HAVE LESS THAN US. WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD WATCH OUT FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW WHERE THEIR DAILY NEEDS MAY COME FROM, AND CONTINUE TO USE US, AND TO USE THE GENEROSITY OF OTHERS TO PROVIDE FOR THEM. WE ALSO ASK THAT YOU WOULD WATCH OVER OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM WHO SERVE AND PROTECT THOSE THEY MAY NEVER MEET. LORD, WE THANK THEM FOR THEIR SACRIFICE AND WE LIFT THEM UP TO YOU FOR YOUR PROTECTION. LORD, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD GIVE US WISDOM WHENEVER WE ARE HERE ON THIS DAIS, TAKING CARE OF THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS. LORD, LET US CHOOSE WHAT IS RIGHT. LET US CHOOSE WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR CITIZENS. LORD, WE ASK THESE THINGS IN YOUR SON'S NAME. AMEN. AMEN. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. PLEASE BE SEATED. SO THE FIRST ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING ARE PRESENTATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS. UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF ILLNESSES IN OUR ANIMAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT, SO WE ARE GOING TO PUSH THAT BACK TO A FUTURE MEETING. IN ORDER TO HONOR THEM AND ALLOW THEM TO ACTUALLY BE

[PR2. Honoring WISD Superintendent Dr. David Vinson.]

SO THIS EVENING, WE'RE HERE TO HONOR THE WORK, DEDICATION AND SERVICE OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS DEDICATED WELL OVER A DECADE TO WILEY ISD, WHICH ENCOMPASSES NOT ONLY OUR CITY, BUT IT TOUCHES SOME OF OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AND COUNTY AREAS. DOCTOR VINSON HAS BEEN SOMEONE WHO HAS GONE WELL ABOVE AND BEYOND. IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT WHAT HE HAS DONE OVER THE YEARS, WE ALL JOKE ABOUT THE FAMOUS SELFIES. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THOSE SELFIES ARE TAKEN, HE MAKES SURE THAT HE TAKES THE TIME TO GO TO EVENTS ACROSS THE ISD. HE DOESN'T JUST GO TO A BIG CROSS TOWN FOOTBALL GAME. NOT THAT THOSE AREN'T IMPORTANT, BUT HE ALSO MAKES SURE HE'S THERE FOR ALL OF THE EXTRACURRICULARS, WHETHER THAT BE SPORTS, THEATER, CHOIR, BAND, AND MANY, MANY OTHERS. I COULD STAY UP HERE ALL NIGHT. BUT HE DOESN'T ONLY APPEAR AT HIGH SCHOOLS, DOESN'T ONLY APPEAR FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WINNING. HE'S THERE FOR EVERYONE. HE'S THERE WALKING THE HALLS, HANDS ON. BEING ABLE TO GET OUT THERE AND GET FACE TO FACE, NOT JUST WITH HIS STAFF MEMBERS, BUT WITH THE STUDENTS. I THINK YOU HAVE STUDENTS THROUGHOUT THIS

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PEOPLE FLOCK HERE. IN FACT, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A SQUARE FOOT OF LAND, SOMEONE'S BUILDING A HOUSE ON IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE HERE. AND THROUGH ALL OF IT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THE CITY OF WYLIE AND WYLIE ISD HAS DONE IS FOCUSED ON THE POSITIVES AND THE PROMISE. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOUR YOUR BABY IS GOING TO WHEN SHE'S READY TO GO TO TO WATKINS ELEMENTARY, WE'RE GOING TO WELCOME YOU WITH OPEN ARMS AND AND WE'RE GOING TO HUG HER NECK AND SHE'S GOING TO FEEL MORE THAN ANYTHING, SHE'S GOING TO FEEL LOVED THE WYLIE WAY. AND IF WE CAN HAVE THAT PARTNERSHIP. YOU GUYS ARE MY FAMILY. EVEN MY MEAN BROTHER BRANT, YOU KNOW, AND BUT BUT I CONSIDER YOU FAMILY. AND REALLY, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I'M GRATEFUL FOR YOU. AND AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY OF A LIFETIME. REALLY? SERIOUSLY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO I'LL HAND YOU THIS FIRST. IT'S A CHALLENGE COIN FROM MY OFFICE.

FROM THE CITY. SO JUST SOMETHING TO REMEMBER US BY. AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO PUT THOSE UP AS MEMENTOS IN OFFICES, SO I WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU, BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO PUT IT IN YOUR POCKET TO HOLD THIS. THAT'S A LOT OF WORDS. IT IS. AND YET IT'S STILL SHORTER THAN IF YOU GET ONE FROM SOME OF THE HIGHER OFFICES. YEAH. WHEREAS DOCTOR DAVID VINSON HAS FAITHFULLY SERVED AS SUPERINTENDENT OF WYLIE ISD SINCE 2011, LEAVING WITH DISTINCTION FOR MORE THAN 14 YEARS, A TENURE FAR EXCEEDING THE TYPICAL SPAN FOR TEXAS SUPERINTENDENTS. AND WHEREAS, UNDER DOCTOR VINCENT'S VISIONARY LEADERSHIP, WYLIE ISD HAS GROWN FROM APPROXIMATELY 12,600 STUDENTS BACK IN 2011 TO MORE THAN 19,500 STUDENTS IN

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THANK YOU.

THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO CAME THIS EVENING TO TO CELEBRATE DOCTOR VINSON.

GIVE THEM JUST A MINUTE.

[COMMENTS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS]

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[CONSENT AGENDA]

[1. Hold a Public Hearing, consider, and act upon, the writing of an ordinance for a change in zoning from Light Industrial (LI) to Commercial Corridor - Special Use Permit (CC-SUP) on 1.601 acres to allow for a convenience store and fueling station. Property located at 2111 W. FM 544 (ZC 2025-08).]

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS KEVIN PATEL, 1782 WEST MCDERMOTT DRIVE, ALLEN, TEXAS. 75013. I'M THE ENGINEER OF RECORD FOR THIS PROJECT. SO AS APPLICANT FOR THIS PROJECT, I HAVE A DEVELOPER, BEN BENSON, HERE WITH ME AS WELL. SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF OVERVIEW ABOUT THE BRAND. OF COURSE STAFF WENT OVER THE PROJECT SCOPE OF THE

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ANYTHING CAN GO THERE. IT HAS EIGHT DOUBLE STACK FUEL PUMP UNDER THE MODERN CANOPY. OF COURSE, WE COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S PARKING ORDINANCE. SO JUST A QUICK. QUICK, QUICK BENEFITS FOR BENEFITS OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT GENERATES A LOCAL SALES TAX REVENUE, CREATES ABOUT 15 TO 20 JOBS, ENHANCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITIES WITH THE QUALITY FOOD AND BEVERAGE OFFERING, SUPPORT CITY GROWTH WITH A PREMIUM CLEAN AND SAFE FACILITY. I WANT TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE NICK AND MOE'S. NICK AND MOE'S IS A BRAND OUT OF FLORIDA. THEY ARE ENTERING INTO THE TEXAS MARKET. THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST LOCATIONS IN TEXAS AND MANY MORE TO COME. THIS SLIDE DISCUSS ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL OF THE BUILDING LANDSCAPING. WE ARE IN A COMPLIANCE WITH THE LANDSCAPING, WITH THE CITY'S ORDINANCE AS WELL AS THE. WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LIGHTING ORDINANCE AS WELL. WE HAVE AN ACCESS THROUGH THE FM FIVE. EXISTING ACCESS TO THE FM 544, AS WELL AS THE SAND AND BOULEVARD. BOTH OF THEM, YOU KNOW, THE ONE ON THE BOULEVARD IS BASICALLY THE PROPOSED ACCESS POINT, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE EXISTING ACCESS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. LIKE I SAID, WE ARE MEETING ALL THE CITY ORDINANCES AS WELL AS THE TDLR 2012. SO THAT BEING SAID, NICK AND MOVES. LIKE I SAID, THEY HAVE A NATIONWIDE ABOUT 25 PLUS LOCATIONS AND THEY ARE ENTERING INTO THE TEXAS MARKET WITH THIS FIRST LOCATION AND THEY'LL HAVE MANY MORE LOCATIONS HERE IN TEXAS. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION YOU MIGHT HAVE. OKAY. SO COUNCIL, DO WE HAVE ANY? BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, I WANTED TO SEE IF WE CAN GET YOU MENTIONED THIS CAME TO US WITH SOME STATEMENTS OR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PNC. SO YES SIR. MR. HASKINS IF WE CAN GET THOSE FROM YOU FIRST. YEAH.

SO THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION HAD THAT 1000 SQUARE FOOT END CAP AS A SMOKE SHOP. AND THE APPLICANT, ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF PNC, REMOVED THAT. OKAY. HOWEVER, IN MY EXCITEMENT TO GET THE THE AGENDA DONE ON TIME, I FORGOT TO INCLUDE THAT THE FACT THAT THEY WOULD STILL NEED THE SMOKE SHOP PART OF THE SHOP IF THIS WAS APPROVED IN ORDER TO SELL TO JUST TOBACCO STUFF BEHIND THE COUNTER, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THE NEW ORDINANCE READS. SO WHAT THE APPLICANT AND STAFF IS REQUESTING THAT IF THIS ITEM WOULD BE APPROVED, THAT THERE WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT WOULD SAY UP TO 60FT■!S WOULD BE ALLOWED WITHIN THE CONVENIENCE STORE ONLY FOR TOBACCO ONLY PRODUCTS. CIGARS, CIGARETTES AND CHEWING TOBACCO IS A TYPICAL CONVENIENCE STORE KIND OF THING, IS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. OKAY. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT NOT BEING IN THERE. BUT WHEN THEY WHEN PNC ASKED TO REMOVE THE WHOLE THING, I REMOVED THE WHOLE THING. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO COUNCIL, DO WE HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS? IF WE DON'T, I CAN OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT LOOKS LIKE WE DO. MAYOR PRO TEM. LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN I'LL. OKAY. I'LL ASK AFTER OKAY. SO THIS ITEM DOES HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING. SO WITH THAT, MISS BRADLEY, PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM. IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS PRESENT AND WISHES TO STEP FORWARD TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, WE'D ASK THAT YOU DO SO AT THIS TIME. OKAY, MISS BRADLEY, PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT NO ONE HAS STEPPED FORWARD TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. NOW I'LL GO BACK TO OUR MAYOR PRO TEM. SINCE YOU DEFERRED TO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING BUT HAD QUESTIONS, I'LL LET YOU START US OUT. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. APPRECIATE IT. JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS RIGHT AWAY OFF THE BAT IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION, THE GAS STATION AND ALL THAT, APPROXIMATELY IN BETWEEN 544 AND 78. WE HAVE TWO GAS STATIONS, RIGHT? WE HAVE ONE AT KROGER RIGHT NEXT TO SEVEN ON 544. AND THEN WE HAD ONE ON 78 AT THE END OF 78. NAME ESCAPES ME NOW. I CAN'T THINK OF IT

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THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY, I GUESS OKAY. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR EITHER MR. HASKINS, COMMENTS IN GENERAL OR QUESTIONS FOR THE DEVELOPER? COUNCILMAN STRING THANK YOU. MAYOR. YOU KNOW, I WAS REVIEWING THE THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN, THIS PARCEL SET TO BE INDUSTRIAL. THE WHOLE THING EAST OF OF SAND AND BOULEVARD. DID THIS COME UP DURING THE PNC MEETING? YES. GIVE ME JUST ONE SECOND. THINKING ABOUT THERE'S SOME TALK ABOUT THAT. AND THERE WAS IT WAS MENTIONED THAT SAND AND IS SELLING OFF PROPERTY, SOME OF THEIR PROPERTY AND THAT A HARD CORNER WOULD BE MORE CONDUCIVE TO A, A COMMERCIAL TYPE OF PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY ON THE HARD CORNER. OKAY, THAT MAKES SOME SENSE. YES, SIR. YEAH. IT IS KIND OF A IT'S A VERY IT'S ONLY 1.6 ACRES ON A CORNER. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC GOING INTO THAT CORNER. WE ALL KNOW AT 544 LOOKS LIKE NOW ALREADY. SO I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. AND FRANKLY, FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S INDUSTRIAL, I STILL PREFER TO SEE THE KINDS OF THINGS GOING THAT ARE GOING TO BRING PRIMARY JOBS, AS OPPOSED TO BASICALLY PART TIME JOBS. YES, SIR. SO I'M I'M A LITTLE ON THE FENCE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T.

IS THIS GOING TO BE PARCELED OFF TO A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PROPERTY OR SOMETHING. IT IS ALREADY A SEPARATE PROPERTY, SIR. OKAY, MAYBE TWO MONTHS AGO, GIVE OR TAKE. WELL, IT'S A LITTLE SLOW, I GUESS. YES, SIR. THERE'S THIS PROPERTY. AND THE PROPERTY THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE DRIVE THERE. AND THEN TO THE SOUTH IS A MUCH LARGER, LIKE, INDUSTRIAL TYPE OF PROPERTY THAT SAND IS TRYING TO DEVELOP ALL THREE OF THOSE OR SELL THEM OFF TO GET THEM DEVELOPED. I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. OKAY. AND PROBABLY THAT ONE JUST TO THE EAST OF THIS ONE WHERE THERE'S IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ADJACENT TO 544. YES, SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT. OKAY. COUNCILMAN DUKE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. MR. HASKINS, YOU KNOW, FOR, YOU KNOW, LAST MEETING, WE GOT A PENALIZED OVER THE THE TAX RATE. WE HAD SOME CITIZENS COME UPSET. CITIZENS COME AND TALK ABOUT THE TAX RATE. AND I JUST DON'T THINK THIS WILL BRING THE TAX REVENUE THAT WE THAT WE NEED OR SHOULD EXPECT. THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A QUESTION, SINCE THEY'RE ASKING FOR THIS TO ALSO SERVE AS THE PLAT SITE PLAN OR SITE PLAN I APOLOGIZE SITE PLAN, BUT GENERALLY IT WILL FOLLOW FROM THAT. I KNOW IT MAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE AS A CITY. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD FOR DECEL LANES, BUT I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE PUSHED THROUGHOUT THE CITY FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS, AT LEAST ON PLACES LIKE 78 THAT ARE HIGHER SPEED. YES, SIR. WITH THE FACT THAT I KNOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 45 IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THERE WHEN THERE ISN'T BUMPER TO BUMPER TRAFFIC, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET TAILGATED LIKE I DO FOR DRIVING THE SPEED LIMIT. MY CONCERN WITH THAT IS YOU HAVE NO DECEL LANE COMING RIGHT AFTER A STOP

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OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. COUNCIL MEMBERS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE? COUNCILMAN STRANG YEAH. RUSH HOUR IS GOING TO BE FUN. NORTHBOUND, RIGHT. IT'S GOING TO STACK ALL THE WAY UP THERE WAITING TO GO RIGHT ON 544 WITH THE DRIVEWAY EGRESS WHERE IT'S A RIGHT TURN ONLY, THANKFULLY, ALTHOUGH PEOPLE PROBABLY JUST DO WHATEVER THEY WANT ANYWAY. IT LOOKS IT LOOKS ROUGH, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, FOR A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, IN MY OPINION. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN ONLY MAKE THEY CAN'T EVEN MAKE A RIGHT TURN UP THERE.

THEY HAVE TO GO OUT THE BACK AND THEN UP THAT LITTLE ROAD THAT'S GOING TO BE BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES. IT JUST LOOKS HEAVILY STACKED. I THINK THEY WANT TO REBUT OR DISCUSS. YEAH, IF HE WOULD LIKE TO, IF HE WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN POSED, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. AS FAR AS THE RIGHT TURN LANE GOES, WE'LL CONDUCT A TIA AND IF THE RIGHT TURN IS REQUIRED. REQUIRED BY THE TIA, OF COURSE WE'LL ADD THE RIGHT TURN LANE. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WHY WE CANNOT ADD THE RIGHT TURN LANE HERE. TO CALM THE TRAFFIC DOWN. IT WILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE RESULTS OF THE TIA, AND WE CAN ADD THE RIGHT RIGHT TURN LANE. AS FAR AS THE RESTAURANT TYPE GOES INSIDE THE BUILDING. SO THE PRIMARY FOOD WILL BE THE PIZZA THAT WILL BE INSIDE THE BUILDING AS WELL. AS WE ARE TALKING TO THE DUNKIN DONUT AS WELL. SO THERE WILL BE A DUNKIN DONUT. MOST PROBABLY WILL ENDED UP HAVING A DUNKIN DONUT. IT'S NOT CONFIRMED YET, BUT THE PRIMARY FOOD INSIDE THE RESTAURANT IS THE PIZZA. IT'S A GAS STATION SERVING THE PIZZA AS A SUPPLEMENTARY FOOD PRODUCT.

THE HOT PIZZA. AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL COME UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE DUNKIN DONUT. AND DUNKIN DONUT WILL BE. IT'S NOT WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH. IT'S JUST A PICKUP DUNKIN DONUT PICKUP THAT'S NOT CONFIRMED YET. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THOSE TWO ITEMS. BUT AS FAR AS THE JOB GOES, I THINK THAT WILL BE A THREE SHAPES BECAUSE IT'S A 24 HOUR OPERATION, AT LEAST ABOUT A 3 TO 4 PEOPLE IN A PER SHIFT, AS WELL AS IF WE ADD THE DUNKIN DONUT, IT WILL ADD MORE PEOPLE AS A PERMANENT JOB TO THE FACILITY. SO THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT 15 JOBS EASILY, BECAUSE DUNKIN DONUT WILL HAVE ABOUT 4 TO 5 PEOPLE IN THE MORNING AND THE PEAK HOURS, AND AFTER THAT IT WILL CALM DOWN. AFTER LUNCH AND GAS STATION WILL HAVE ABOUT 3 TO 4 PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE OWNER, DURING THE DAYTIME PER SHAPED. MAYOR. OKAY. COUNCILMAN STRANG, THANK YOU MAYOR. SO YOUR MEAN FULL TIME JOBS, CORRECT? CORRECT. EIGHT HOUR SHIFTS? YES, SIR. RIGHT.

BECAUSE IT'S 24 HOURS OFF. NOT QUITE THE SAME AS A PRIMARY JOB AS THE KIND OF JOB YOU CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD TO LIVE ON YOUR OWN. IT'S IT'S OBVIOUSLY A FULL TIME JOB OR PART TIME IF YOU MAKE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT DOESN'T EQUATE TO ANYTHING. IF YOU'RE A FULL TIME EMPLOYEE MAKING LIKE TEN BUCKS AN HOUR, EVEN, YOU CAN'T REALLY LIVE ON YOUR OWN. THAT'S THE DISTINCTION. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. HASKINS, I HAVE ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. YES, SIR. SO I WAS TRYING TO PULL UP HERE AND OVERLAY. I AM ASSUMING THAT PRECISION MANUFACTURING WAS OUTSIDE THE RADIUS FOR NOTICE. IS THAT CORRECT? THEY'RE A LITTLE FARTHER DOWN SAND. AND SO I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT PROBABLY I ASSUME THEY WERE OUTSIDE THAT

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SO THEY'RE JUST FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO ALL RIGHT. WELL COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE ON THIS ITEM. MAYOR PRO-TEM I'M READY FOR A MOTION IF YOU ARE. YES. I WOULD BE OPEN TO A MOTION. MOTION TO DENY THE ITEM AS PRESENTED. WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND, COUNCILMAN PICKENS? SO WE HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND TO DENY COUNCIL. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THE ITEM IS DENIED. WITH THAT. THAT DOES CONCLUDE OUR REGULAR AGENDA THIS EVENING. WE WILL

[WS1. Discuss amendments to the College Park Planned Development (PD 2023-18).]

BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT LISTED. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A DIFFERENT OWNER WE KNOW DOCTOR KHAN. YES.

HE'S COMING AND WORKING WITH US. ARE THEY LOOKING? ARE THEY MAKING THIS REQUEST BECAUSE THEY'RE PLANNING TO PURCHASE ALL OF THE LOTS? OR ARE THESE BEING DEVELOPED ONE AT A TIME? AND THEY ARE. TOLL BROTHERS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS. THE TWO COMMERCIAL LOTS WILL STAY UNDER THE CURRENT OWNERSHIP AND DEVELOPED BY THEM. OKAY. WELL, I MEAN AGAIN THE QUESTION IS ARE THEY GOING TO IS IT A BUILD TO SUIT ONE LOT AT A TIME, WHICH WAS KIND OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE PAST, OR IS THIS A REQUEST TO BE ABLE TO BUILD SPEC HOMES? MORE LIKE I'LL SAY, MORE LIKE A REGULAR NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY CAN HOMES KIND OF GET BUILT. MAYBE YOU PICK YOUR FINISHES IF YOU GET IN AT THE RIGHT TIME, AND THEN THEY GO ON THE MARKET A FEW AT A TIME. YES, SIR. AND IF THEY, IF THEY, IF YOU. YEAH, THEY'LL, THEY'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. BUT THE LONG STORY SHORT IS I THINK I COULD, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THEM KICKING ME SAY THAT TOLL BROTHERS IS A HIGH END SPEC HOME BUILDER. THEY'RE NOT QUITE ACCUSTOMED. AND I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A MEAN WAY.

YEAH. NO, NO, NO, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN PEOPLE HAVING TO PURCHASE LOTS ONE AT A TIME AND THEN GO FIND THE BUILDER. YES. WHICH WAS KIND OF THE ORIGINAL. YEAH. NO, THIS IS A THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD ALL OF THEM. AND THE FOLKS WILL COME IN AND PICK FROM A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS AND FLOOR PLANS AND GO FROM THERE. FAIR ENOUGH. IT'S JUST THAT WOULD BE A DEPARTURE FROM WHAT THAT IS A DEPARTURE FROM WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY. SO. AND I'M NOT SAYING I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. IF IF WE'RE AGAINST THAT CHANGE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT BEFORE THEY PRESENT. YES, SIR. AND THEN AFTER THEY GET DONE WITH THEIR WORK SESSION, I'LL ALSO JUST KIND OF MENTION WHAT PNC MENTIONED DURING THE WORK SESSION THEY HAD WITH THEM. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM MAY HAVE TO JUMP IN ON A QUICK CLARIFICATION. WHEN WE APPROVED THIS PROJECT, WE APPROVED THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. IT WAS. AM I CORRECT IN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY SUPPOSED TO BUILD COMMERCIAL AT THE SAME TIME AS THEY BUILD THE RESIDENTIAL? THAT IS. BEFOREHAND THERE WAS A CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENT? YES, SIR. CONCURRENCY. BUT IT WASN'T ALL I BELIEVE IT WAS. 50% OF THE COMMERCIAL HAD TO BE BUILT BEFORE, OR THEY COULDN'T GO PAST 50% RESIDENTIAL UNTIL AT LEAST ONE OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WAS BUILT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. IS THAT THE UNDERSTANDING THAT TOLL BROTHERS IS TAKING ON THIS? WHILE DOCTOR KHAN AND HIS TEAM, THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THEY WOULD LIKE TO, AS SEPARATE DEVELOPERS, GET RID OF THAT CONCURRENCY, TOO. THANK YOU. PART OF IT. THANKS FOR CLARIFICATION. SURE. OKAY. GOOD QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL BE HAPPY TO HEAR YOUR PRESENTATION. OKAY. SO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IT IS AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE. MY NAME IS ADDISON ROGERS. I AM THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY PLANNING FOR TOLL BROTHERS HERE IN THE DFW METROPLEX. MORE IMPORTANTLY, THOUGH, I WILL TELL YOU, I AM THE PROUD PARENT OF A BURNETT BUCCANEER AND A FUTURE WILEY

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IF OUR CEO DOUG GURLEY WAS HERE TODAY, HE WOULD TALK ABOUT THE FOUR PILLARS THAT MAKE TOLL BROTHERS WHO THEY ARE. FIRST ONE WE'RE KIND OF ALREADY TOUCHING ON, OR THE FIRST TWO A LITTLE BIT. WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON AN EXTRAORDINARY CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE THAT STARTS THE SECOND YOU WALK INTO ANY OF OUR SELLING CENTERS. THE SECOND PART WOULD BE UNRIVALED CHOICE, UNRIVALED CHOICE IN THE ABILITY TO PICK YOUR OWN HOME, PICK YOUR OWN STRUCTURAL OPTIONS.

AND THEN OUR FULL REPERTOIRE OF DESIGN STUDIO OPTIONS THAT EVERY BUYER THAT STARTS THE PROCESS AT THAT STAGE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND SELECT THE INDIVIDUAL FINISHES AND ITEMS INSIDE OF THEIR HOME. LAST TWO DISTINCTIVE ARCHITECTURE. WE'LL TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AS TO ONE OF THE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PD THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WE'VE GOT A SPECIFIC SLIDE I'LL PULL UP HERE AND SHOW YOU GUYS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THERE.

THE LAST ONE IS PRESTIGIOUS LOCATIONS. FOR ME PERSONALLY, THAT SOUNDS LIKE WYLIE, TEXAS, BUT THAT'S WHO WE ARE. OUR ANOTHER ONE OF OUR INTERNAL SLOGANS THAT WE USE OFTEN IS WE WANT TO BUILD AT THE CORNER OF MAIN AND MAIN. THAT'S OUR DESIRE FOR OUR LOCATIONS AND WHERE WE WANT OUR COMMUNITIES TO BE PLACED. THIS SLIDE JUST SHOWS YOU KIND OF OUR FOOTPRINT.

WE ARE CURRENTLY IN 24 STATES, 60 MARKETS. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT GEOGRAPHICALLY, WE ALIGN THOSE AS KIND OF THE SMILE STATES, THE TWO COASTS AND THEN ALONG THE SOUTHERN EDGE IN TEXAS, WE ARE IN ALL FOUR OF THE MAJOR METROPOLITAN MARKETS AT THIS POINT AND ACTIVELY GROWING ALONG THE WAY. MORE LOCALLY. WE'VE GOT OUR MAP HERE THAT SHOWS ALL OF OUR CURRENT ACTIVE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE EITHER OPEN FOR SALE OR WILL BE HERE SHORTLY. OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN DOWN 544, YOU'VE SEEN OUR PROJECT IN MURPHY AT CRESCENT HILL. THAT'S A PROJECT WE'RE VERY PROUD OF. WE OPEN FOR SALE OFFICIALLY IN JANUARY. I STOOD AT THIS PODIUM LAST TUESDAY AND SAID THERE WERE SIX OPPORTUNITIES LEFT TO GO AND BUY A HOME IN CRESCENT HILL. AS OF TODAY, THERE ARE THREE. WE ARE VERY RAPIDLY APPROACHING OUR FINAL AGREEMENTS OF SALE IN THERE, AND BY THE TIME WE FINISH, WE ANTICIPATE ABOUT AN 18 MONTH TOTAL CYCLE FROM OPEN FOR SALE TO WHEN WE SHOULD DELIVER OR BE CLOSE TO DELIVERING OUR LAST HOME IN THAT COMMUNITY. SO TO SAY IT'S BEEN A SUCCESS WOULD BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT. AND OUR GOAL WITH COLLEGE PARK WOULD BE TO EXPAND THAT SAME SUCCESS INTO WYLIE. SO FOR REFERENCE ABOUT

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OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHIFT TO MULTIFAMILY MOVING FROM FAULTY TO SINGLE FAMILY.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, OUR GOAL IS SIMPLY TO BE ABLE TO BUILD OUT THOSE 68 LOTS IN A PACE THAT WORKS WITH OUR SALES PROCESS. THE OTHER THING I CAN SHARE, I DID SHARE THIS LAST WEEK AS WELL, IS IN GENERAL, WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT IN FRONT OF A TOLL BROTHERS COMMUNITY, WHAT WE HAVE SEEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS IT DOES, IN A POSITIVE WAY, SHIFT WHAT ENDS UP OCCUPYING THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE. WHEN YOU BUILD AND SELL HOMES TO A MORE AFFLUENT, MOVE UP BUYER, THEIR SHOPPING PREFERENCES OR THEIR PREFERENCES FOR STORES OBVIOUSLY COME WITH THEM. AND IN THAT ALSO THE FINANCIAL MEANS TO SUPPORT THOSE STOREFRONT SHOP FRONTS. SO IT GENERALLY LANDS IN A BETTER PLACE THAN POTENTIALLY WAS PROPOSED PREVIOUSLY. AGAIN, NO GUARANTEES THERE. THAT'S JUST KIND OF TRENDS OF WHAT WE USUALLY SEE ACROSS THE WAY. WITH THAT, WE'LL KIND OF JUST LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT OF OUR ARCHITECTURE. AGAIN. IF YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH CRESCENT HILL, WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE MODEL HOME THAT IS THERE IN CRESCENT. I SAID A MINUTE AGO WE WOULD GET TO THE POINT OF DISCUSSING ARCHITECTURE JUST A LITTLE BIT. SO ANOTHER AMENDMENT THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO MAKE IS UNDER THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS. ITEM FIVE, AS IT RELATES TO SECOND STORY WINDOWS THAT ARE BORDERING THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY, THAT COMMUNITY THERE TO THE NORTH. WHAT WE WOULD BE ASKING TO AMEND IS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THE HOME, AS YOU SEE THERE IN FRONT OF YOU. THAT SLIDING DOOR AT THE REAR OF THE HOME IS AN EIGHT FOOT TALL DOOR.

THOSE WINDOWS THAT ARE ABOVE IT OPEN INTO A TWO STORY GREAT ROOM WITH VOLUME, AND WE WOULD BE ASKING JUST TO AMEND, TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW FOR THAT EXACT CONFIGURATION OF WINDOWS IN A VOLUME SPACE WHERE THERE IS NO LIVABLE, WALKABLE SPACE WHERE NOBODY COULD STAND AT THAT WINDOW AND LOOK OUT THROUGH THE REAR OF THE HOME, THAT YOU JUST ALLOW THAT NATURAL LIGHT INTO THAT LIVING SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. THE OTHER BIG ITEM THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR, AND I BREEZED OVER THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT, IS IN THE SITE PLAN. WE'D BE LOOKING TO REMOVE THE AMENITY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED THERE ALONG THE NORTHERN ENTRANCE. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT CAME WITH A LITTLE BIT OF CONFLICT WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PUSHED THROUGH. FOR US, IT'S A COMMUNITY THAT, WITH 70 LOTS IN AMENITY CENTER, IS A LOT TO CARRY ON AN HOA. IN GENERAL, WHEN HOMEOWNERS WOULD MOVE TO A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS, THEY'RE GOING TO PREFER TO SPEND THEIR OWN DOLLARS ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, AGAIN, KEEP REFERENCING CRESCENT HILL. VERY SIMILAR IN LOT WITH TWO CRESCENT HILL, WITH THESE BEING 70 FOOT HOME SITES AND 50 FOOT WIDE PRODUCT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE OVERSIZE LOTS. SO IN GENERAL, WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT BUYERS WOULD TEND TO PREFER TO BE ABLE TO BUILD AND SPEND WHAT THEY WOULD SPEND TO AN HOA TO MINIMIZE THEIR OWN LOT. AND IN GENERAL, AGAIN, BACK TO TRENDS THAT WE SEE ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IT'S EASIER TO MAINTAIN, IT'S EASIER TO REGULATE, AND IT TENDS TO BUILD A STRONGER, ALMOST BETTER SENSE OF COMMUNITY. WHEN YOUR CHILDREN ARE AT A NEIGHBOR'S HOME VERSUS BEING DOWN AT A COMMUNITY AMENITY CENTER. SO

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IN OUR EXPERIENCE, AN EIGHT FOOT TALL FENCE, ESPECIALLY ALONG A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, TENDS TO FEEL KIND OF MORE LIKE A PRISON VERSUS A SIX FOOT FEELS LIKE A COMMUNITY. AND WITHOUT THE AMENITY, WE FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD FIT BETTER FOR THE AREA, FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE OVERALL APPEARANCE. I THINK THAT SUMS THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO AMEND. THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE ADDITIONAL ELEVATION RENDERINGS. EARLIER TODAY, I DID SEND KIND OF A BASE IDEA OF THE PLANS THAT WE WOULD LOOK TO IMPLEMENT INTO THE COMMUNITY OVER TO JASON AND JUST GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO VIEW THOSE. BUT THESE ARE JUST KIND OF WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT, SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS A NEW, UNIQUE AND OUTSTANDING. AGAIN, DISTINCTIVE IS THE WORD WE USE ARCHITECTURE THAT WOULD FIT PERFECTLY IN WIDELY. QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU GUYS. I KNOW THIS ISN'T A FINAL SITE PLAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IN LOOKING AT KIND OF THE PROPOSED WHAT HAPPENS TO AND IT'S HARD TO TELL, THERE'S A LOT THAT LOOKS LIKE IT RUNS RIGHT ALONG COUNTRY CLUB THERE AT THE NORTHERN, I'LL CALL IT THE NORTHERN END. AND THEN THERE'S A BIG HOOK AROUND THE CUL DE SAC AND BACK. IS THAT ALL? ONE LOT. AND IS THAT LEFT AS GREEN SPACE OR SO IT IS CURRENTLY DRAWN AS AN HOA LOT.

SO THE HOA WOULD OWN THAT. HOA MAINTAINS THAT. YES. OKAY. SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF AN EMPTY SPACE. CORRECT. AND THIS IS A QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP. I DID NOTICE THAT THE POTENTIAL FOR CROSS ACCESS TO A DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH IS REMOVED. IF YOU LOOK BACK, IT WAS WHAT BLOCK H AND THE TOWNHOMES HAD THE POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE CROSS ACCESS DEVELOPMENT. THERE. IS THERE A SPECIFIC REASON THAT WAS REMOVED OTHER THAN TO OBTAIN AN ADDITIONAL LOT? RON, ANYTHING ON YOUR SIDE BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED OR AND THEN LEADS LEADS INTO THE FIRE STATION PROPERTY EVENTUALLY. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PUBLICLY MOVING THAT AT SOME POINT. SO. HI RON ROBINS 2557 SOUTHWEST GRAPEVINE PARKWAY AND GRAPEVINE DIRECTOR OF LAND ACQUISITIONS FOR TOLL BROTHERS. TO YOUR POINT, WE LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, SAW THAT IT WAS THE FIRE STATION WAS AT THE TIME OF OUR DEVELOPING THIS CONCEPT DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WAS POTENTIALLY FOR SALE OR COULD BE FOR SALE. SO WE WERE JUST CREATING A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SELF-CONTAINED COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, WE CAN POTENTIALLY REVISIT THAT. I WOULD JUST I'D NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, COMMIT TO A, YOU KNOW, A ACCESS POINT TO THAT PROPERTY. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. SO I FIGURED IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP. AND IT'S STILL IT'S ON OUR LIST OF THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO DO. IT. YEAH. IT COMES IT COMES DOWN TO. YEAH. IT COMES DOWN TO WHEN WE CAN AFFORD TO POTENTIALLY RELOCATE THAT STATION OFF THE PROPERTY.

BUT WE'VE LEARNED IF YOU DON'T PLAN FOR THE FUTURE AND YOU BUILD SOMETHING THERE IN BETWEEN, PEOPLE DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE THEIR HOUSE AND BULLDOZE IT TO PUT A CROSS ACCESS IN. SO OKAY. AND THEN ARE YOU GUYS ARE YOU ALL THE ONES WHO SEPARATED WHAT LOOKS LIKE SEPARATED THE OTHER COMMERCIAL LOT INTO TWO SECTIONS THERE? OR WAS THAT IN CONJUNCTION? IS THAT JUST WHAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU? SO WHAT'S THAT? WHAT THAT'S DEPICTING IS POTENTIAL FIRE ACCESS LANES DRIVING ACROSS THAT COMMERCIAL PART. IT'S STILL A TOTAL OF TWO SITES. IT'S ALL OKAY. IT'S STILL JUST GOING TO BE MARKETED AS ONE LOT. YES. OKAY. AND ONE LAST QUESTION AND THEN I'LL TURN IT TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM. JUST WANTED TO VERIFY NO CHANGES TO THE SECOND POINT OF ACCESS BEING THROUGH RESIDENTIAL ESTATES, BUT ONLY FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES. WITH THE OPTICOM, I ALWAYS WANT TO SAY NOX BOX AND I GET CORRECTED THAT THAT IS LONG SINCE MOVED ON FROM THAT. SO. BUT IT WOULD JUST BE RESTRICTED, CORRECT? OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU MAYOR. APPRECIATE IT. MR. ROGERS, THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE I START MY LINE OF QUESTIONING. SO THIS IS A PURPOSE OF WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROJECT AND PUSHED THIS PROJECT 6 OR 7 DIFFERENT TIMES. AND WE'VE GONE

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DECEMBER. TIME FRAME DECORATED AGAIN. WENT TO MARKET, OPENED IN EARLY JANUARY. SINCE THEN, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE DOWN TO THREE SELLING OPPORTUNITIES, ONE OF THOSE BEING OUR MODEL HOME OF THE 37 LOTS YOU DRIVE THROUGH. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER OF HOMES THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THIS GIVEN TIME. I THINK WE'VE SETTLED FIVE LOTS IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE REST ARE STILL EITHER UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR ABOUT TO START. OKAY, AND IF THIS WERE TO GET APPROVED, WHAT'S YOUR TIMELINE ON DEVELOPING THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS FROM START TO END? OBVIOUSLY IT DEPENDS ON THE SALES AND ALL THAT. ABSOLUTELY. WHAT'S YOUR PROJECTION? OUR PROJECTION. WE WOULD ANTICIPATE ASSUMING A SIMILAR SUCCESS. WE WERE LOOKING AT ABOUT A THREE YEAR SALES CYCLE IS KIND OF THE BALLPARK. AND THEN YOU WOULD ANTICIPATE ANYWHERE ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL 12 MONTHS UNTIL YOU'D BE AT FULL SETTLEMENT. SO THREE ISH YEARS OF SALES, FOUR ISH YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION. AGAIN, THAT'S ALL MARKET DEPENDENT, OKAY. IN TERMS OF TAX REVENUE GENERATOR. TALK TO ME ABOUT WHAT HE WAS PROPOSED VERSUS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED BY YOU GUYS AND HOW THAT WILL AFFECT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN WYLIE IS WE HAVE VERY LITTLE LAND TO BUILD AND VERY LITTLE COMMERCIAL LAND TO BUILD.

AND IF WE DON'T PUT SOME COMMERCIAL LAND, ALL THE BURDEN IS GOING TO STAY ON OUR TAXPAYERS, ON THE HOMEOWNERS. AND BY TAKING, YOU KNOW, AWAY OR BUILDING IT LATER AS COMMERCIAL, AS I MENTIONED IN MY FIRST COMMENT, WE WERE TOLD SOMETHING TONIGHT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO SPLIT OR WORK. IT'S A WORK SESSION. SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING IT, BUT WE'RE BEING SPLIT. THE COMMERCIAL VERSUS THE RESIDENTIAL. MAYBE 12 MONTHS FROM NOW, I'M GOING TO SOMEONE IS GOING TO COME IN FRONT OF ME IN DYESS AGAIN AND ASK FOR, WELL, THAT'S NOT WORKING. LET'S CHANGE THAT OVER AGAIN. AND SO FOR ME, I JUST HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS OF HOW DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR THE CITY OF WYLIE AND OVERALL TAXPAYERS OF WYLIE. SO HOW DOES THAT CHANGE IN TERMS OF TAX REVENUE GENERATOR VERSUS WHAT IT WAS PROPOSED TO CURRENTLY? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. LET ME START OFF FIRST WITH SAYING TOLL BROTHERS IS VERY COMMITTED TO THIS PROJECT. SIMPLE DOLLARS. YOU LOOK AT THE SUCCESS JUST DOWN THE ROAD. WE SEE THIS AS JUST THE NEXT LOCATION FOR A SIMILAR PLAN OF SUCCESS. OUR ANTICIPATION ASSUMING AN APPROVAL WITH THESE THINGS THAT WE NEED. LAND DEVELOPMENT STARTS JUST AS SOON AS THEY CAN GET YELLOW STEEL OUT THERE TO GET DIRT MOVING, GET PERMITS OBVIOUSLY IN PLACE, BUT THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD BEGIN IMMEDIATELY AT THIS STAGE, GIVEN JUST CONSTRAINTS IN THE MARKET, GENERALLY SPEAKING, FROM START TO FINISH, 14 TO 18 MONTHS IS A PRETTY SOLID DEVELOPMENT STAGE ON A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS SIZE. SO ESSENTIALLY A YEAR AND A HALF, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT A POINT WHERE WE WOULD START OUR MODEL HOME AND THEN ROLL INTO CONSTRUCTION FROM THERE. FROM A TAX STANDPOINT, AGAIN, THE MARKET'S ALWAYS GOING TO DICTATE. SO I CAN'T TELL YOU TODAY WHERE WE WOULD LAND ON SALES PRICES. OUR ANTICIPATION IS THAT THE BASE SALES PRICE, MEANING WHAT YOU WOULD PAY BEFORE YOU ADD ANY LOT PREMIUMS, ANY STRUCTURAL OPTIONS OR DESIGN STUDIO SELECTIONS SOMEWHERE IN THE MID 700,000 TO THE JUST OVER JUST CRESTING KIND OF AT 900,000 IS WHERE WE WOULD TARGET TODAY WITH AN AVERAGE DELIVERED PRICE SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT 900,000 TO JUST CRESTING OVER A MILLION AT THE DELIVERED PRICE. AGAIN, TOLL PRIMARILY OPERATES IN THAT MOVE UP OR AFFLUENT BUYER. THAT'S GENERALLY WHO YOU KNOW. WE CATER OUR PROCESS AND OUR

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THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCILMAN STRING. YEAH. THANK YOU. MAYOR. YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST BEEN CHECKING OUT THE CRESCENT HILL STUFF. YOU KNOW, I NEVER REALLY NOTICED IT BECAUSE I JUST DON'T. I'M TOO BUSY. WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THERE WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO SMASH INTO MY CAR. YEAH, IT LOOKS VERY NICE. AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THESE WOULD BE PRETTY COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING OVER THERE IN CRESCENT HILL, BOTH IN TERMS OF SIZE, LOTS OF THE LOT SIZES THERE, I CAN'T TELL. I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT, BUT THEY RANGE FROM 70 TO 75 FOOT WIDE. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE LOTS THAT WOULD BE JUST A LITTLE BIT WIDER. BUT THEY'RE IN TERMS OF TOTAL SIZE THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY COMPARABLE OKAY. AND THEN AND I IMAGINE THE PRICE POINT IS GOING TO BE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THIS MID 1750S OR MID 70S AND UP. OKAY. OKAY I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT MAKES SOME SENSE. THE OTHER THING IS NOW ON THE OLD PLAN WE HAD SOME SPACE IN THE BACK. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT WAS FIRE LANE AND SOME PARKING. BUT I THINK PART OF THE REASON WHY WE ALSO WANTED THE SPACE AT THE TIME, IT HAS BEEN A WHILE TO COUNCIL OR THE MAYOR PRO TEM POINT. SO MY, MY MIND'S A LITTLE FOGGY.

BUT THERE WAS WE WANTED A LITTLE BIT OF SEPARATION BETWEEN THE FIRE PROPERTY AND REALLY THE FIRE STATION AND THE TRAINING FACILITY. SO ONE THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS WE JUST GOT A NEW MODULAR TRAINING TOWER. THERE'S GOING TO BE DAYS WHEN THAT THING IS ON FIRE BLOWING SMOKE. NOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT ON DAYS WHEN THE SMOKE'S GOING TO BLOW IT INTO THE RESIDENCE. BUT THE THING THAT WORRIES ME JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IS WHEN YOU GET FOLKS BUYING PROPERTIES CLOSE TO A MILLION BUCKS, IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY COME DOWN HERE AND START. COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS THING NIMBY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF A DISCLOSURE MADE THAT THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S THEIR BECAUSE I'M NOT INCLINED TO HELP THEM OUT. IF THEY BUY A PLACE WHERE IT'S REALLY OBVIOUS. ABSOLUTELY. SO ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT GOES INTO EVERY AGREEMENT OF SALE FOR EVERY BUYER THAT PURCHASES A HOME WITH TOLL BROTHERS INTERNALLY, WE REFER TO IT AS AN EXHIBIT H, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY A MANDATORY DISCLOSURE THAT THEY HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE. IT'S A VERY IN-DEPTH RESEARCH PROJECT THAT GOES INTO EVERYTHING THAT IS SURROUNDING THIS COMMUNITY, STARTING FROM EVERYTHING FROM A PRISON WITHIN FIVE MILES, AIRPORT CELL TOWERS, FIRE TRAINING FACILITIES THOSE ARE ALL DISCLOSED AND ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE BUYER AT AGREEMENT. AND THAT CARRIES WITH THEM ALL THE WAY TO CLOSING. OKAY, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. AND COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU MAYOR. APPRECIATE YOU. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT A GREAT PRODUCT. THANK YOU. I CAN'T SEE BECAUSE

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OKAY. AND THEN I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS COMPARISON DOESN'T DEPICT IT. BUT I THINK WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS BLOCK F IS ACTUALLY GREEN SPACE AND NOT COMMERCIAL. CORRECT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT LOSING ANY ACTUAL COMMERCIAL. BUT WHAT WE ARE LOSING IS GREEN SPACE. CORRECT? THAT'S WHERE THAT PROPOSED AMENITY WAS TO GO AND THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD BE. OKAY. SO IF WE'RE LOSING THAT GREEN SPACE, WHAT AREAS ARE WE ADDING GREEN SPACE. SO UNFORTUNATELY BASED ON THIS PROPOSAL WE AREN'T ADDING. THAT COMES BACK TO THE COMMENT I MADE OF, YOU KNOW, HOW THE RESIDENTS WOULD LIVE IN THIS TYPE OF COMMUNITY. AND AGAIN, SIMILAR TO CRESCENT HILL, EXPECTATION WOULD BE MORE OF A ON YOUR OWN LOT TYPE OF AMENITY IN THAT IT IS NOT A NORMAL. AND TRADITIONALLY WHEN WE WOULD SEE A PRODUCT OF THIS SIZE, NOT SPEAKING TOO WIDELY, SPECIFICALLY JUST THE METROPLEX, IN TOTAL YOU WOULD SEE A FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, A MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE. SO HAVING AN OVERSIZE LOT WITH A SMALLER FOOTPRINT OF A HOME JUST OFFERS THAT THAT FEEL. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU MY OPINION, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS A WORK SESSION, NOT, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL AGENDA ITEM, MY OPINION, I LOVE THE PRODUCT.

I LOVE SWITCHING IT TO A SINGLE FAMILY. I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL SITTING SO LONG AND WITH THE. BUT I KNOW WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO BUILD OUT FOR COMMERCIAL, SO THAT MIGHT NOT BE AN ISSUE. MORE THAN ANYTHING, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF OFFSET THERE FOR GREEN SPACE, TO ADD SOME GREEN SPACE AND END UP SEEING SOME AMENITIES ADDED. IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A FULL AMENITY CENTER, WHAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PLAYGROUND OR WHAT KIND OF PARK BENCHES OR PATH OR YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THERE. OKAY. AS IT IS, IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING IS GOING AWAY. SO EVEN IF IT COST 2 OR 3 LOTS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING CHANGE THERE. SO THAT'S MY OPINION. HOPE IT HELPS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HOOVER. YEAH I'M SORRY SIR. THANK YOU FOR COMING. I'M LOOKING AT THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. OKAY. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE. DISCUSSED WITH DOCTOR KHAN BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A A FLOOD PROBLEM THAT WAS A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. SAME ROAD. THAT WAS THE DIFFERENT ONE PROPERTY, NORTH COUNTRY CLUB ESTATES, THAT WAS BEING DONE BY US. SCHAUBERG. OKAY. IS THERE A REASON WHY THAT CUT OUT, THAT CUT THROUGH ONE AWAY? THIS IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROPERTY, SIR.

NO, THAT'S OH THAT THAT PROPERTY WAS NEVER OR THAT CUT-THROUGH WAS NEVER THERE. IT DEAD ENDS INTO A ALLEY AND IT'S STILL DEAD END. DEAD ENDS INTO AN ALLEY. OKAY. I KNEW YOU WEREN'T GOING TO. YOU WERE LIKE WHAT? OKAY, SO I KNOW WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS. DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? MAYOR PRO TEM? OKAY, SO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT. DID YOU. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, COUNCILMAN? DO I JUST HAVE A COMMENT? SURE. AND THEN IF YOU IF YOU WOULD, I'LL JUST LET YOU KICK IT OFF. YOU'VE IN ADDITION TO YOUR COMMENTS, THE BIG ONES, I BELIEVE WERE. ARE YOU INTERESTED? WELL, MAKE YOUR COMMENT. LET'S HEAR WHAT PNC HAD TO SAY BECAUSE WE NEVER GOT BACK TO JASON AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH. SO SO FOR THIS FOR TOLL BROTHERS. SO I LIKE THE PRODUCT. I LIKE THE CONCEPT. WHAT I DON'T LIKE IS, YOU KNOW, TO ME TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM POINT IS WE WORKED WITH DOCTOR KHAN FOR SIX, EIGHT MONTHS ON REFINING THINGS TO GET THE DEVELOPMENT THE WAY WE WANTED, THE WAY THE COUNCIL WANTED IT. AND NOW, I MEAN, IT'S A WHOLE NEW DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN, I CAN LOOK AT THE PICTURES AND IT'S IT'S IT'S DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT THE SAME TO ME. IT'S JUST COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. AND BACK TO MR. HASKINS. THERE'S NO NUMBERS ON HERE. THERE'S NO SETBACKS. THERE'S NO LOT SIZES. THERE'S NO NO ANY. NO. THE NORMAL PD STUFF THAT'S INCLUDED THERE, NONE OF THAT'S IN THIS PACKET. SO I LIKE THE PRODUCT.

BUT I NEED I NEED NUMBERS TO, TO FULLY ANALYZE IT. SO I'LL ASK MR. HASKINS IF YOU WILL TELL US WHAT PNC HAD TO SAY FIRST. YES, SIR. AND THEN TO WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM A FEW MEMBERS. ARE THEY REQUESTING ANY VARIATIONS FROM OUR, I'LL CALL IT OUR STANDARD 1024 TYPE ZONING? OKAY. BECAUSE I DON'T I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. SURE. SO FIRST OFF, WHAT PNC HAD TO SAY WAS THEY WERE OVERALL VERY POSITIVE TOWARDS THE CHANGES THAT WERE REQUESTED. THERE WAS SOME TALK ON THE CONCURRENCY, AND THEN STAFF AND THE COMMISSION MEMBERS TALKED ABOUT

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AND HE FINALLY HAS. AND SO WE'VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO POSSIBLY MOVE THIS THING FORWARD. HE'S BEEN TRYING TO DO THIS ON HIS OWN FOR SEVERAL YEARS. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF SLOWED DOWN HIS PROGRESS, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE HE'S KIND OF HAD TO LEARN AS HE GOES.

I MEAN, HE'S A VERY SMART, DEDICATED INDIVIDUAL, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW IN THESE KIND OF THINGS. AND TO COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE I'LL WORK WITH, ASSUMING THAT COUNCIL IS GENERALLY FAVORABLE TOWARDS THIS, WILL WORK TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, CREATING SOME KIND OF SPACE THERE. BUT I ALSO WANT TO JUST MENTION THAT WITHOUT THAT AMENITY CENTER THERE, THEY WILL TOLL BROTHERS WILL BE. EVERY LOT. CARMEN MAY KNOW THIS OFF THE TOP OF HER HEAD. IT'S EITHER 2500 OR $3000 PER SQUARE. PER LOT IS GOING TO GO TOWARDS PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES, WHICH WILL GO TOWARDS OUR PUBLIC PARKS IN THE CITY. SO THERE STILL WILL BE AMENITY IN A ROUNDABOUT SORT OF WAY. THERE'S STILL DOLLARS BEING PUT TOWARDS AMENITIES OUTSIDE THE THE SUBDIVISION. OKAY, SO THANK YOU MR. HASKINS. SO WITH THAT, I KNOW WE'VE WE'VE HEARD A FEW COMMENTS AROUND BUT NEED TO KNOW IN GENERAL IF IF WE WOULD LIKE COUNCIL IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE THEM TO WORK ON MOVING FORWARD, I'LL PUT MYSELF OUT FIRST. I HAVE THE SAME FRUSTRATION WITH THE CONCURRENCY GOING AWAY WITH THE COMMERCIAL. HOWEVER, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE MULTI I KNOW IT'S MAYBE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE LISTED AS. I LIKE SEEING THE TOWNHOMES TURN INTO SINGLE FAMILY. I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST NEGATIVES THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH HAD WITH THEM. AS LONG AS IT CAN BE WRITTEN AS FAR AS THE WINDOWS, IF THEY'RE IF IT'S THAT ONE DESIGN WHERE IT'S JUST EXTRA LIGHT THAT THEY'RE GETTING IN AND YOU CAN'T LOOK OUT, THAT WAS THE CONCERN THERE. YES, SIR. SO HOWEVER, IF WE CAN BE THAT SPECIFIC I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. I JUST WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO STILL TELL PEOPLE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS LOOKING INTO YOUR BACKYARD. YES, SIR. THAT WAS THE CONCERN THERE. PEOPLE HAVE THEIR YARDS, AS WAS MENTIONED IN POOLS, PRESIDENTIAL ESTATES I DON'T THINK HAS ANY PARKS IN IT EITHER THAT I CAN RECALL. SO I THINK SIMILAR TO THIS, MOST PEOPLE ARE USING THEIR BACKYARD FOR THAT SPACE. SO I UNDERSTAND THEIR DESIRE FOR PRIVACY. JUST TRYING TO LOOK THROUGH IT. THE TWO POINTS I WOULD WANT TO SEE CONSIDERED WOULD BE THE CROSS ACCESS, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO POTENTIALLY TALK WITH STAFF ABOUT. I ALSO LIKE THE FACT THAT SOME TYPE OF CROSS ACCESS ALSO SPLITS THAT RESIDENTIAL LOT FROM THE COMMERCIAL LOT, TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF A SETBACK FOR WHOEVER IS THE LAST ONE THERE, THAT'S EVERYONE ELSE IS GOING TO HAVE EITHER THE GREEN HOOK OR A STREET THAT WILL BLOCK THEM FROM BEING BACK TO BACK WITH COMMERCIAL. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO BE, AND CERTAIN THINGS CAN BE APPROVED WITHOUT COMING TO COUNCIL IF THERE BY RIGHT. AND SO GIVEN THE LEVEL OF HOME, I WOULDN'T WANT SOMEONE TO PURCHASE A $900,000 HOME AND THEN END UP WITH NEXT TO SOMETHING THEY REALLY DON'T WANT TO SHARE A FENCE WITH IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. THERE'D BE NO SEPARATION, SO I'D LIKE THERE TO BE SOME SORT OF CONSIDERATION FOR THAT. FOR THE GREEN SPACE, I RECOGNIZE HOW CLOSE IT IS TO OUR MUNICIPAL COMPLEX AND WHAT THOSE DOLLARS COULD DO. I THINK IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY POSSIBLE FOR Y'ALL TO TAKE A LOOK. AND I'M SPEAKING TO THE THE DEVELOPER HERE. YOU HAVE THE GREEN SPACE THAT FORMS A HALF YOU OR A LITTLE MORE MAYBE PUTTING TO COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS POINT SOME SORT OF A VERY BASIC TRAIL WITH

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SO I WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT AS LONG AS THOSE THINGS ARE MET. OKAY. BUT WHO WOULD LIKE TO? DOES ANYONE? ALL RIGHT, I'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN STRING THIS TIME. YEAH, I'M ACTUALLY IN FAVOR OF THE CHANGES. I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE DOING AWAY WITH TOWNHOMES. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE WINDOWS. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SIX FOOT FENCE IN THE FRONT.

GREEN SPACE I'M RATHER AMBIVALENT TOWARDS. BUT YOU DO NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT ODDBALL SPOT UP THERE THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME TO THROW SOMETHING ON IT. YEAH, GRASS BENCHES IS ALL GREAT. YEAH. PLUS YOU ALWAYS GOT THE DETENTION POND. THAT'LL BE GREEN. SO. YEAH. OTHERWISE, YEAH, I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF IT. OKAY, I'LL GO TO MY RIGHT AND GO TO COUNCILMAN HOOVER NEXT. WITH THE CHANGES THAT THE MAYOR SUGGESTED. I'M OKAY WITH IT. OKAY? OKAY. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, I THINK WHAT I SAID PRETTY MUCH MATCHES UP WITH WITH WHAT YOU SUGGESTED, SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME, YOU KNOW, LIKE, SAY SOME BENCHES AND JUST SOME KIND OF SOMETHING ADDED IF WE'RE TAKING EVERYTHING OUT. OKAY.

COUNCILMAN PICKENS, THANK YOU. MAYOR. MOST OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TONIGHT, I AGREE WITH I DO WANT TO STRESS THE AMENITIES PART OF THIS. YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE THERE ARE NO PARKS ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN. AND IF FAMILIES THERE HAVE SMALL CHILDREN THAT WANT TO GO TO PLAY SOMEWHERE, YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO GET IN YOUR CAR AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, OR THERE'S GOING TO BE AN AMENITY ON THAT PROPERTY. THAT'S THE ONLY CHOICES THERE ARE. SO I WOULD HIGHLY CONSIDER THE FACT THAT YOU NEED TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE OR ELSE, WELL, THEY JUST GOT TO GET IN THEIR CAR AND LEAVE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. IF THEIR KIDS WANT TO GO PLAY IN A PARK. OKAY. THANK YOU COUNCILMAN, I'LL GO TO OUR MAYOR PRO TEM. YEAH, MAYOR, I'M IN FAVOR OF TOLL BROTHERS TAKING OVER THE PROJECT AND DEVELOPING THE BACK END.

HOWEVER, I WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING ANYTHING WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHERE DOCTOR KHAN IS WITH THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT THEY WILL DEVELOP A GREAT PRODUCT THAT WILL FIT THE NEEDS OF OF THE COMMUNITY. WITH THE CHANGES THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT AND THE COUNCIL TALKED ABOUT, INCLUDING COUNCILMAN PICKENS, BUT I DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING ANYTHING FORWARD. AND IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH TOLL BROTHERS WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE FRONT PADS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THAT IN 6 TO 8 MONTHS AFTER WE GIVE GREEN LIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AT TOTALLY SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AND I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE IN EVEN HAVING THAT DISCUSSION.

OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH, COUNCILMAN DUKE, I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, SO YEAH. OKAY, SO MR. HASKINS KIND OF GOT OUR FEEDBACK TO WORK WITH THEM ON. HOPEFULLY THEY THEY NEED AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, EVEN THOUGH NOT HERE THIS EVENING, REACHING OUT TO DOCTOR KHAN ON WHAT HIS PLANS WOULD BE WITH THOSE REMAINING COMMERCIAL. YES, SIR. JUST SO THAT WE HAVE SOME SORT OF AN UPDATE FROM. YES, SIR. OKAY. WILL DO. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. SO WITH THAT,

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