[CALL TO ORDER]
[00:00:11]
START. CALL TO ORDER. THE WILEY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING. NOW WE WILL DO THE INVOCATION BY MYSELF, COMMISSIONER BUTLER, AND THE PLEDGE BY COMMISSIONER BLACK.
PLEASE RISE. LORD, THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY. THANK YOU FOR THIS WEEK. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO HAVE SOME A BREAK EARLY IN THE WEEK AND THE RAIN YOU GAVE US THIS WEEKEND.
AND I PRAY THAT JUST HELP US MAKE GOOD DECISIONS TONIGHT AND HAVE A GREAT AND SAFE REST OF THE WEEK. IT'S YOUR NAME, WE PRAY. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY. UP NEXT IS THE COMMENTS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND TALK ON ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, THEY MAY DO SO NOW. AND SINCE NOBODY'S COMING UP, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE
[CONSENT AGENDA]
CONSENT AGENDA. JUST ONE ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. UNLESS SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THAT PULLED AND DISCUSSED, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS IS. MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA, AS IS MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 4 TO 0. OKAY, SINCE WE HAVE NOTHING ON THE REGULAR
[WORK SESSION]
AGENDA, WE'LL MOVE INTO THE WORK SESSION, WHICH IS WORK SESSION. ITEM NUMBER ONE. HOLD A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS AMENDMENTS TO THE COLLEGE PARK PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD 2023 DASH 18. YOU COULD. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A REAL BRIEF INTRODUCTION. DOCTOR CONS PROPERTY. WELL, THE PROPERTY BEING REPRESENTED BY DOCTOR CON, THAT IS COLLEGE PARK OVER HERE JUST NORTH OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NUMBER TWO, THAT WAS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR LIKE 50 HOUSES AND ABOUT 32 TOWNHOMES OR SO THAT WAS ZONED BACK IN 2023. AND TOLL BROTHERS IS HERE THIS EVENING TO PRESENT THAT THEY WANT TO THEY WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT THOUGH, THEY'VE GOT A COUPLE OF AMENDMENTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO THE TO THE PD. AND THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT TO GET ANY INPUT THAT THE COMMISSIONERS CAN OFFER INTO THE DIRECTION THAT THEY WANT TO TAKE WITH THIS PROPERTY. AND WITH THAT, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO. YES. PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. ADDISON ROGERS. ADDISON ROGERS, 2555 SOUTHWEST GRAPEVINE PARKWAY. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU GUYS TONIGHT. I WILL TRY TO KEEP THIS BRIEF. EVERYONE I KNOW, WE GOT PLACES TO GO AND DINNER TO GET TO. I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE RIGHT NOW OF SERVING AS THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY PLANNING FOR DALLAS FORT WORTH FOR TOLL BROTHERS. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I AM THE PROUD PARENT OF A BURNET BUCCANEER AND A FUTURE WILEY EAST RAIDER.
I SAY THAT TO SAY MY WIFE AND I, WHO IS ALSO A REALTOR IN THIS MARKET, HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF LIVING LIFE HERE IN WILEY. SO IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE, TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS FOR ME THAT ARE VERY MUCH HOME WHERE I LIVE, AND AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE I WORK. WITH THAT I WILL JUMP RIGHT IN. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TOLL BROTHERS. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT KNOW, WE ARE THE FOURTH LARGEST BY REVENUE, 10TH LARGEST BY VOLUME HOMEBUILDER IN THE UNITED STATES. FOR ANY OF YOU THAT CAN DO SOME SIMPLE MATH PRETTY QUICKLY IN YOUR HEAD THAT SHOULD SPEAK SOME VOLUMES IS KIND OF WHO WE CATER TO AND THE MARKET THAT WE GENERALLY BUILD TOWARDS. OUR BRANDING MARKETING SLOGAN THAT WE GO BY IS AMERICA'S LUXURY HOME BUILDER. WITH THAT, WE'RE GENERALLY CATERING MORE TO YOUR MOVE UP OR YOUR SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH, FIFTH TIME HOME BUYER. GENERALLY BUILDING HOMES AT THAT MORE LUXURY PRICE POINT, AS WELL AS WITH APPOINTED FEATURES THAT ALIGN IN THAT PLACE AS IT RELATES TO WHO WE ARE. IF YOU TALK TO OUR CEO, HE WOULD IDENTIFY KIND OF FOUR PILLARS OR DISTINCTIONS THAT MAKE US DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHERS IN THE MARKETPLACE, THE FIRST OF WHICH BEING EXTRAORDINARY CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, JUST THE VALUE THAT WE PLACE ON OUR HOMEBUYERS WHEN THEY WALK IN FROM THE DAY THEY FIRST STEP INTO A SALES CENTER TILL THEY CLOSE AND CLOSE OUT OF THEIR WARRANTY PERIOD AT THE END OF THEIR TIME WITH US, NEXT ONE WOULD BE UNRIVALED CHOICE.
THAT'S OUR REPRESENTATIVE OF BOTH OUR CHOICES THAT YOU GET TO MAKE IN THE INDIVIDUAL SALES CENTER, TO OUR FULL DESIGN STUDIO EXPERIENCE THAT ANY BUYER THAT COMES IN GETS TO GO THROUGH NEXT TWO, WE'RE GOING TO TOUCH ON BRIEFLY AS PART OF OUR PD AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO
[00:05:04]
BE LOOKING FOR TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT. ONE IS DISTINCTIVE ARCHITECTURE. WE PRIDE OURSELVES IN THE HOMES THAT WE BUILD, THAT UNIQUENESS, THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY SPEAK TO BOTH THE LOCAL MARKETS THAT THEY'RE IN, AS WELL AS KIND OF SOME NATIONAL BRANDING THINGS THAT WE GO THROUGH THAT MAKE OUR PRODUCT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE OTHERWISE IN THE MARKETPLACE. AND THEN LASTLY, MOST IMPORTANTLY, IF YOU WILL, IS OUR PRESTIGIOUS LOCATIONS. IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE. IT'S AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO YOU GUYS HERE IN WYLIE, TEXAS. AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF US, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON WHERE WE BUILD. IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH US, THE COMPANY WAS FOUNDED IN 1967 BY BROTHERS BOB AND BRUCE TOLL IN BUCKS COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA, WHICH IS A SUBURB OF THE PHILADELPHIA AREA. SINCE THEN, WE'VE GROWN INTO 24 DIFFERENT STATES, 60 PLUS MARKETS. AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, WE TEND TO FOCUS OUR BUSINESS IN WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE SMILE STATES. SO THE TWO COASTS AND THEN CENTERED, CONNECTED HERE THROUGH TEXAS, WHERE WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST BUSINESS IN ALL FOUR OF THE MAJOR MARKETS IN THE AREA. THIS IS JUST AN OUTLINE AND A FOOTPRINT OF OUR CURRENT COMMUNITIES THAT WHERE WE ARE BUILDING CURRENTLY, OBVIOUSLY CLOSEST TO HOME HERE IS OUR COMMUNITY, CRESCENT HILL, JUST DOWN 544 IN MURPHY. IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE BY AND SEE THAT WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THAT. YOU KIND OF TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY WHILE IT STILL EXISTS TO GO LOOK AT IT. I SAY THAT THAT WAY WE OPEN FOR SALE IN THAT COMMUNITY JUST THIS PAST JANUARY 37TH LOT COMMUNITY. THERE ARE SIX POTENTIAL SELLING OPPORTUNITIES, INCLUDING OUR MODEL REMAINING IN THAT COMMUNITY. AND BASED ON DEPOSITS, THERE'S ACTUALLY ONLY TWO VACANT LOTS LEFT UP FOR GRABS. IF THE CURRENT BUYERS UNDER DEPOSIT END UP GOING THROUGH CONTRACT. SO SUPER SUCCESSFUL PROJECT FOR US. AND WE'RE WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THIS COLLEGE PARK IN WYLIE COULD BE OUR NEXT OPPORTUNITY IN THIS SIDE OF THE MARKETPLACE. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. SO IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS ARE BOTH THE CURRENT PD SITE PLAN AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR AS A PROPOSED SITE PLAN ADJUSTMENT. BIGGEST AND MOST OBVIOUS, IT SHOULD JUMP RIGHT OFF THE PAGE TO YOU GUYS IS WE ARE LOOKING TO ELIMINATE THE TOWNHOUSES THERE AT THE SOUTHERN END AND SHIFT THAT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. THE PLAN ON THE LEFT IS CURRENTLY OUTLINED AS 50 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND 32 TOWNHOUSES. OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO SHIFT THAT ALL TO SINGLE FAMILY. IT WOULD ALSO PROPOSE TO ELIMINATE THAT AMENITY LOT THAT WAS THERE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER AS AN AMENITY. FILL THAT SPACE AND WITH SOME ADDITIONAL SINGLE FAMILIES, IT TAKES THE TOTAL DENSITY TO JUST UNDER 70 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. WE WOULD HAVE THE GREEN SPACE THERE WHERE THAT PREVIOUS AMENITY WAS JUST GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED PREVIOUSLY, AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE YOUR COMMERCIAL CORNER THERE AT THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, SPECIFICALLY SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON OUR SIDE UNDER GENERAL CONDITIONS, UNDER FOUR, B AND C, THERE IS A CONNECTION MADE IN THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL PERMITTING THE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE AND RESIDENTIAL PERMITS. AS A RESIDENTIAL HOME BUILDER, WE WOULD NEED TO SEE THAT KIND OF SEPARATED OUT TO WHERE THE COMMERCIAL SIDE IS DEALT WITH AS A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE, AND THE RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. I SAY THAT UNDERSTANDING. I KIND OF HAD TALKED TO MY COWORKERS AND GONE THROUGH SOME OF THE PREVIOUS VIDEOS, UNDERSTAND THE THE PAUSE THAT MAY EXIST WITH THAT AS IT RELATES TO ENSURING THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE IS FILLED.PART OF WHAT I WAS SAYING A MINUTE AGO WITH OUR RESIDENTIAL SIDE IS THE SUCCESS THAT TOLL HAS EXPERIENCED, BOTH IN THIS MARKET AND IN DFW. IN THE METROPLEX, YOU'RE BRINGING A HIGHER END HOMEBUYER. I THINK THAT WITH TOLL AS YOUR BUILDER IN THIS PRODUCT, THAT SPACE IS GOING TO BECOME IN MORE HIGH DEMAND AND WOULD QUICKLY FILL AND BE OCCUPIED. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT AS WE TALK THROUGH SOME QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.
OBVIOUSLY, I'VE ALREADY TOUCHED ON THE AMENDMENT OF THE MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL DETACHED LOTS SHIFTING THAT FROM THE 50 TO JUST UNDER 70. WE CURRENTLY ARE SHOWING 68 LOTS ON THAT PLAT, THE OTHER ONE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO SEE A REVISION TO UNDER THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS IS ITEM FIVE THAT ADDRESSES THE LOTS THAT BACK TO THE PROPERTY NORTH OF THIS PARTICULAR TRACT IN THAT ONE IT'S CURRENTLY OUTLINED, I BELIEVE, AS ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. THAT IS A CONDITION FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT WAS KIND OF BROUGHT ABOUT BASED ON THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. OUR PROPOSED REVISION TO THAT WOULD BE TO ALLOW BOTH SINGLE AND TWO STOREY RESIDENTS. HOWEVER, WHAT WE WOULD KEEP IN PLAY THERE IS THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY WINDOWS ON THE REAR OF OUR TWO STORY RESIDENCE ABOVE A TEN FOOT PLATE WITH LIVABLE SPACE IMMEDIATELY ABUTTING THOSE WINDOWS, TO THE POINT WHERE SOMEBODY COULD STAND AT THE WINDOW AND LOOK OUT OVER THE PROPERTY. AND I'LL SHOW YOU AN EXACT PICTURE HERE IN JUST A MOMENT OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, TO TRY TO CLEAR THAT UP. I WAS OF THE UNDERSTANDING IT WAS ALL ONE STORY, ONE STORY, ONE STORY AND TWO STORIES. OKAY, THE ISSUE IS THE TEN FOOT PLATE.
[00:10:04]
AND I'LL SHOW YOU EXACTLY HERE IN TWO SLIDES. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THE HUNG UP CAME. SO I'LL SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. I THINK HOPEFULLY IT MY HOPE IS THAT WILL BE AN EASY MOVE FORWARD BASED ON WHAT YOU GUYS SEE, THAT SIMPLE SEVEN A OF THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS.THE METAL FENCE WHEN THERE WAS TO BE AN AMENITY WAS CALLED OUT AS EIGHT FOOT. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DROP DOWN TO A MINIMUM OF SIX FOOT HEIGHT. REASON BEING IS I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT PLAYING IN THAT PARK AND BALLS POTENTIALLY WITH IT NO LONGER BEING AN AMENITY LOT. IN OUR EXPERIENCE, AN EIGHT FOOT TALL FENCE IS GOING TO FEEL MORE LIKE A PRISON. A SIX FOOT FEELS MORE LIKE A COMMUNITY. SO IT'S SIMPLE, JUST OVERALL BETTER FEEL FOR THE COMMUNITY IS OUR HOPE. AND AGAIN, HOPEFULLY THAT'S ONE THAT CAN BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND SIMPLE. DIVING DEEPER INTO SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL AND THIS MAY BE BETTER DISCUSSED. JASON, IN A MEETING OFFLINE BETWEEN US TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE I THINK I ALSO NEED JUST A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON A COUPLE THINGS. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S IN THE STANDARD CODE IS THE 20% STONE OR DECORATIVE BRICK. WE DO HAVE SOME ELEVATIONS THAT WE'D LIKE TO BUILD THAT ARE 100% A BRICK ELEVATION, SO I NEED TO UNDERSTAND IF THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE OR IF THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THIS AMENDMENT, AS WELL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD DO JUST JUST A SINGLE BRICK. THAT'S POSSIBLE. IT HAS TO DO WITH STATE LAW. STATE LAW. UNFORTUNATELY, I SAY UNFORTUNATELY FROM OUR FROM THE CITY SIDE, BUT THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT CITIES CAN NO LONGER DICTATE BUILDING MATERIALS.
PERFECT. SO YOU CAN KIND OF DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO THERE. PERFECT. THAT'S FANTASTIC. SO I THINK THAT COVERS QUITE A BIT OF THE REST. THE ONLY OTHER ITEM, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT WOULD BE THE REPETITION. I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER, RON, IF THE PD ADDRESSED THAT OR IF IT WAS THE STANDARD IT. YEAH. AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT MORE OFFLINE. AGAIN NOT GOING TO BE A HANG UP IF IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD. ALREADY MENTIONED THIS BEFORE. REMOVE THE TOWNHOUSE RESIDENTIAL SECTION IN ITS ENTIRETY. WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF PUTTING TOWNHOUSES ON THE PROPERTY WHATSOEVER. AND THEN THE LAST PIECE WOULD BE THE REMOVAL OF THE AMENITY CENTER. AS YOU CAN SEE, BASED ON THE PROPOSED ON THE RIGHT, WHERE THAT LOT WOULD END UP, THERE WOULD BE GREEN SPACE THERE AT THAT NORTH CORNER, BUT NO ACTUAL PHYSICAL AMENITY STRUCTURE. OKAY, JUST GOING TO GO IN A LITTLE BIT OF PICTURES HERE. THIS IS OUR MODEL HOME AT CRESCENT HILL. AGAIN I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BY THERE GO CHECK IT OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN. IT SHOULDN'T BE ON THE MARKET TOO MUCH LONGER BEFORE IT GOES UP FOR SALE AND EVENTUALLY MOVES FORWARD WITH THAT. THIS IS THE SLIDE I SAID I'D COME TO. THIS IS THE AMENDMENT OR ADJUSTMENT THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR. ALMOST ALL OF OUR TWO STORY FLOOR PLANS HAVE WINDOWS LIKE WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE BACK, UNDERNEATH THAT VERY DEEP COVERED PORCH ARE THOSE THREE WINDOWS ABOVE THAT SLIDING DOOR IN ANY CONDITION ON THE REAR OF THE HOME, THOSE WOULD EXIST, THAT IS ABOVE THE TEN FOOT PLATE WITH THAT. THAT IS A VOLUME TO A GREAT ROOM. THERE IS NO WALKABLE, LIVABLE SPACE THERE, PURELY THERE TO LET LIGHT INTO THE GREAT ROOM. YOU COULDN'T WALK UP AND STAND ANYWHERE NEAR THOSE WINDOWS UNLESS YOU'RE ON A LADDER, WHICH IF YOU'RE ON A LADDER, YOU'RE THERE FOR A SPECIFIC REASON FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. AGAIN, THEY'RE ALMOST ALWAYS UNDER A VERY DEEP COVERED PORCH, BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING TO BUILD. SO THAT'S THE AMENDMENT THAT WE WOULD NEED TO INTERRUPT YOU FOR JUST A SECOND.
ALL RIGHT. JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE PNC COMMISSIONERS WHAT HAPPENED AT CITY COUNCIL WAS THERE WAS COUNCIL DIDN'T WANT THE PRIVACY OF THE RESIDENTIAL ESTATES, YOU KNOW, INTERRUPTED BY A NEW DEVELOPMENT. AND SO WHAT THEY HAD ASKED WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE NO WINDOWS AT ALL, EITHER SINGLE STORY ONLY OR NO WINDOWS ABOVE TEN FEET ON THE SECOND STORY. SO WHAT WHAT ADDISON IS SUGGESTING IS THAT BASICALLY YOU CAN HAVE WINDOWS ABOVE TEN FEET, BUT THEY WOULD STILL BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. CORRECT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY? OKAY, SO THERE'D BE NO WAY TO STAND THERE AT THAT WINDOW AND LOOK OUT JUST PURELY TO LET LIGHT INTO THAT SPACE AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO THE DISTINCTIVE ARCHITECTURE THAT'S A TOLL BROTHERS STAPLE THAT WE DO FOR THE PURPOSES OF HAVING LIGHT IN A GREAT ROOM. IT DOES MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IF YOU'VE EVER WALKED THROUGH ONE OF OUR HOMES. A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF ARCHITECTURE. THIS IS JUST ONE OF OUR ONE STORY PLAN. NOT MY FAVORITE COLOR SCHEME, BUT TO EACH THEIR OWN. AGAIN, ALL BRICK PAINTED BRICK CLASSIC ELEVATION THAT'S BEEN VERY POPULAR. STUCCO AND STONE, VERY TEXAS HILL COUNTRY REMINISCENT. AND THEN ANOTHER ALL PAINTED AS WELL. AND OUR LAST ONE IS THAT STUCCO STONE ELEVATION. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THE HOUSES IN THIS COMMUNITY WOULD FEATURE VERY DISTINCTIVE AND DIFFERENT FRONT ELEVATIONS. LIKE WHAT YOU'VE SEEN ON THESE LAST FEW SLIDES. THEY ALL WILL BE WRAPPED IN SOME TYPE OF FULL BRICK, WITH THE ONLY SIDING ON THOSE WOULD BE ABOVE A LOW PITCHED ROOF BELOW, OR AS NECESSARY BASED ON SOME ROOF PITCH ADJUSTMENTS. BUT THERE'LL BE A FULL BRICK ELEVATION ON THE SIDES OF THE REAR. THAT'S ALL THE SLIDES THAT I HAVE. WHAT QUESTIONS CAN I ANSWER FOR
[00:15:05]
YOU GUYS? WE CAN GO BACK A FEW SLIDES TO THE COMPARISON. YOU WERE SAYING. I THINK YOU WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL SPACE WANTING TO. I MEAN, I SEE YOU WERE THERE'S LIKE, YEAH. SO THE SIX OR WHATEVER, YOU PUT A DRIVE THROUGH THERE, BUT WHAT WAS THE OTHER THAT WAS. SO THE COMMERCIAL SPACE REMAINS. IT IS THE TWO LOTS AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS JUST A DEPICTION OF A POTENTIAL FIRE LANE TO ACCESS THOSE TWO AREAS. THAT'S WHAT THE LINES ARE CURRENTLY UNDER THE PD. AS WRITTEN. THERE'S A GENERAL CONDITION THAT TIES THE ABILITY TO ISSUE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCY ON THOSE HOMES BASED ON THE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE. AS JUST A HOME BUILDER, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THE PROJECT. WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO ELIMINATE THAT PROVISION AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE, OR AMEND IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE RESTRICTED BASED ON WHAT WE CAN BUILD AS THE HOME BUILDER IN THE COMMUNITY AND MOVE FORWARD, ESSENTIALLY BREAKING THOSE TWO INTO TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES. SO TO ADD TO THAT, THE THE PREMISE IN THE PAST FROM BOTH THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL HAS BEEN MOSTLY TIED TO MULTIFAMILY, INCLUDING SOME TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENTS WHERE A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND SAYS, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE WANT TO DO THE RESIDENTIAL FIRST AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL NEVER GETS BUILT, AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND THEY WANT MORE MULTIFAMILY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I FEEL MORE THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION AS THE PLANNER, BEING THAT THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. IF OUR WORST CASE SCENARIO WAS TOLL BROTHERS CAME BACK AND SAID, THIS IS THE GREATEST THING EVER AND WE'RE SELLING LIKE CRAZY, AND WE WANTED TO TURN ONE MORE SECTION INTO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD BE AS HEARTACHE IN WILEY AS IF IT WAS MULTIFAMILY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S JUST JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION ON THAT. BUT THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE PREMISE BEFORE FOR HAVING THOSE CONNECTED IS SO THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH JUST MORE DIFFERENT STYLES OF HOUSING AS OPPOSED TO THE COMMERCIAL THAT WAS QUOTE UNQUOTE PROMISED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.HOPEFULLY THAT CLEARS THAT UP. AND THAT IS SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE WITH THE INITIAL PLAN THAT'S IN PLACE HAS TO DO WITH COUNTRY CLUB BEING THE MAIN OFF STREET AND COUNTRY CLUB BEING COMMERCIALLY THAT IS ZONED COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY.
YEAH. THAT'S WHY THE COUNCIL AND I EVEN SUGGESTED, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THE COMMERCIAL UP FRONT. YOU KNOW, ANY STREET THAT WE'VE GOT FOUR LANES OR MORE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SUCH A FEW AMOUNT OF LAND LEFT, WE SHOULD TRY TO GET AS MUCH OF THAT AS IT'S NOT ALL GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL, BUT GET AS MUCH OF IT AS WE CAN. AND SO WHAT THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR IS TO UNCOUPLE THAT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THEY'RE LEAVING THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE, YOU KNOW, AS AS COMMERCIAL LOTS.
IT'S JUST THEY'RE NOT GOING THEY DON'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. ALL RIGHT.
SO THEN ESSENTIALLY THE CHANGE WOULD BE THAT THE LAND ITSELF IS ALLOCATED OR EARMARKED FOR A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. BUT I'M SORRY IF I SAY TOLL HOUSE. IT JUST STICKS. WANTS TO BUILD THE RESIDENTIAL FIRST AND SEPARATE THE RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THE PROCESS FROM WHAT HAS TO GO INTO FOR WHAT COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES MIGHT ACTUALLY BE BUILT ON THAT PARTICULAR LAND. CORRECT. OKAY. WHAT'S IF WE IF WE MAKE THAT CHANGE AND PULL THAT OUT? WHAT LANGUAGE ACTUALLY HAS TO BE MODIFIED? NOTHING. IT LITERALLY JUST COMES OUT OF THE PD. OKAY.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S A SECTION THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT SO MANY OF THE HOUSES HAVE TO GET BUILT OR THE COMMERCIAL HAS TO BE FINISHED BEFORE IT GETS TO X NUMBER OF NEXT NUMBER OF HOMES. THEY'LL JUST TAKE THAT OUT WHERE THEY CAN BUILD ALL THE HOMES. AND IF THE COMMERCIAL SITS FOR A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, EMPTY, THEN SO BE IT. BUT IT WILL STAY COMMERCIAL. SO AS THE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES BEING BUILT. ARE Y'ALL SAYING Y'ALL HAVE NOTHING? WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. I WILL TELL YOU THAT IN OUR EXPERIENCE IN CASES LIKE THIS, OUR COMMUNITY BEING BUILT OUT DOES GENERALLY TEND TO SHAPE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAT COMMERCIAL. GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU'LL DRAW A HIGHER END OF COMMERCIAL TENANT IN THOSE SPACES WITH THE COMMUNITY BEING BUILT BEHIND IT. IF THAT WERE TO BE THE CASE AND YOU, WE ATTRACT, YOU KNOW, A BETTER COMMERCIAL TENANT, ARE THEY GOING TO BE USING A DIFFERENT DEVELOPER ENTIRELY TO BUILD ON THAT LAND FROM YOU? YEAH. IT
[00:20:05]
WOULDN'T WOULDN'T HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT WITH THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. OKAY. IN THAT CASE, WOULD THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO BUY THE LAND FROM THE CURRENT OWNER TO DO THAT? OR IS IT JUST BUILDING AS A TENANT THE THE CURRENT LANDOWNER? MY UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE KERNEL. THE CURRENT LANDOWNER WILL MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP OF THAT AND TRY TO DEVELOP IT, OR PARTNER UP WITH A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER ON THEIR OWN. CORRECT? OKAY, WE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY CLOSE ON THOSE TWO PARCELS. SO IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, THERE WON'T BE ANY GREEN SPACE OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOU SEE THERE, KIND OF AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE. AND THEN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER IS ALSO GOING TO BE A VACANT LOT FOR DETENTION WATER DRAINAGE. THERE WON'T BE ANY ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE BEYOND THAT AS WELL. PART OF THE REASONING BEHIND THAT IF I CAN, THESE ARE 70 FOOT WIDE HOME SITES. THE PRODUCT THAT WE WOULD BRING TO MARKET IS GOING TO BE 50 FOOT WIDE. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE OVERSIZE LOTS FOR THE HOMES THAT MATCHES, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S JUST DOWN THE ROAD IN CRESCENT HILL. OUR ANTICIPATION, WHAT WE GENERALLY TEND TO SEE IS OUR BUYER PROFILE PREFERS TO DO THEIR OWN AMENITY IN THEIR OWN LOT, AND IT ENDS UP WORKING OUT IN THEIR FAVOR. ANY ADDITIONAL SPACE BEYOND THAT REPRESENTS A COST TO AN ASSOCIATION, WHICH THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY AS HOA DUES, SO GENERALLY IS SEEN MORE FAVORABLY ON ON THE BUYER SIDE, BEING ABLE TO JUST SPEND THOSE FUNDS IN A DIFFERENT PLACE AND ALLOCATE THEM IN THEIR BACKYARD. IN ADDITION TO THAT, COMMISSIONER SCRUGGS, THEY WILL HAVE A PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES. EACH HOUSE IS GOING TO GENERATE. DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, BUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2500 TO $2500 IN A FEE WILL BE PAID TO THE CITY TO FOR EACH HOME THAT'S SOLD. AND THAT GOES TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOUNDERS PARK OR, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY PARKS.COMMISSION. IS THE ACCESS TO WASHINGTON PLACE STILL THE SAME FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS THAT'S GOING TO STAY CLOSED OFF? YEAH, IT'LL BE EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY. YOU BEAT ME TO IT. THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY.
AND AS IT RELATES TO IF YOU LOOK ON THE PROPOSED SIDE, THE ROAD THAT CUTS IN THERE TO THE COMMERCIAL, IF IT WAS POSSIBLE, OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE ALSO AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY LANE WHERE THERE WOULD BE A GATE ACROSS THAT AREA. SO OUR ACCESS IS IN AND OUT JUST THROUGH THE MAIN STREET. THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE THE MAIN ENTRY AND THIS WOULD BE EMERGENCY ONLY. OKAY. BASICALLY MAKES IT A FIRE LANE. AND BASED OFF ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, CHOOSE TO ACCEPT OR NOT WITH THIS, THIS STILL HAS TO GO BACK THROUGH CITY COUNCIL, CORRECT? YEAH. THIS IS JUST A WORK SESSION. IT'LL COME BACK TO YOU ALL OKAY. AND THEN GO TO THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO COUNCIL NEXT TUESDAY. I'M GOING TO TELL COUNCIL WHAT THIS WHAT THE COMMISSION SAID, WHAT ANY CONCERNS WERE. AND THEN HE'S GOING TO TELL EVERYBODY THAT HIS KID GOES TO THE WRONG HIGH SCHOOL ON THAT SIDE. I'M JUST KIDDING. THE MAYOR IS GOING TO LOVE IT BECAUSE THE MAYOR'S KIDS GO OVER THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, I'M A WHITE GUY. WE'RE ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN. BUT THAT'S OKAY ANYWAY. ONE CITY, ONE TEAM, RIGHT? HE DOES LIVE IN THAT DISTRICT ANYWAY, BUT HE'S ALSO IN THE SALE PROGRAM, SO HE'S HE HE WOULD BE THERE REGARDLESS OF WHERE IN WHILE HE WAS ZONED. YEAH. BUT YES, ASSUMING THAT THEY GET A FAVORABLE REACTION FROM Y'ALL AND FROM COUNCIL, THEY'LL COME BACK WITH AN ACTUAL ZONING CASE AND THAT WILL ALL BE OFFICIALLY LAID OUT. AND THEN YOU'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AT THAT TIME. THIS IS JUST TO KIND OF GET IDEAS AND GENERALLY SEE WHETHER THIS IS ACCEPTABLE AND WORTHY OF THEIR TIME TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OR NOT. GOTCHA. I THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION. I DON'T PARTICULARLY SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT, BUT. I THINK IT DOES GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF PAUSE OR HESITANCY FROM POTENTIALLY OTHERS THAT WE COULD GO FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME WITH THE COMMERCIAL PART NOT EVEN BEING DEVELOPED AT ALL. AND THERE IS AN UNDERLYING GOAL TO TRY AND PUT COMMERCIAL FRONT FACING ON COUNTRY CLUB. BUT I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE CHANGES THEMSELVES. IT'S JUST I CAN'T MAKE YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS, SO I UNDERSTAND, I APPRECIATE THAT, YEAH. AS DIRECTOR HASSAN MENTIONED, THAT IS A LONG STANDING PLOY. PLOY, IF YOU WILL, IN THE MULTIFAMILY SIDE, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PROMISE YOU SOME LEVEL OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. OH, IT DIDN'T COME. SO CAN I JUST HAVE SOME MORE APARTMENTS HERE? AND IT'S WELL KNOWN. IT'S IT'S BEEN AROUND THE BLOCK A FEW TIMES. AND BLOCK F THAT WASN'T COMMERCIAL. THAT WAS JUST THE. YES, THAT WAS THE OLD CITY CENTER.
[00:25:05]
PICKLEBALL. YEAH. PICKLEBALL AND A TENNIS COURT OR SOMETHING. AND AND AN AMENITY CENTER. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, THE ONLY THING I'M. AS FAR AS THE CHANGES TO THE NORTH SIDE RESIDENCES, THE ONLY CHANGE WOULD BE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE. WINDOWS THAT ARE NOT EASILY ACCESSIBLE ABOVE TEN FEET. THAT'S IT. OKAY. BECAUSE WAS THERE A FENCE? WASN'T THERE A PART IN IT TO HAVE A LARGER FENCE BACK THERE TO THE ONLY FENCE THAT WAS LARGER WAS OVER BY THE AMENITY CENTER. IT WENT FROM A REQUIRED SIX TO A REQUIRED EIGHT, AND THAT WAS JUST DUE TO LIGHTING AND NOISE AND THAT SORT OF THING. YEAH, I WILL SAY IN GENERAL IN PROPERTIES LIKE THIS, FOR THAT NORTHERN BOUNDARY, WE WOULD WANT TO INSTALL AN EIGHT FOOT CEDAR FENCE ALONG THAT BOUNDARY, JUST ACTING AS A DOUBLE BARRIER. WHEN WE DO THAT, WE GENERALLY PUT THE PRETTIER SIDE, THE SIDE WITHOUT THE PICKETS AND BOARDS TO THE EXISTING HOMEOWNER SIDE, AND THEN OUR SIDE WILL TAKE IT WILL BOX IN THE PICKETS ON OUR SIDE, DRESS IT UP AS BEST YOU CAN, BUT THAT WAY IT'S ESTABLISHED OUR BUYERS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GETTING BEFORE THEY DECIDE TO PURCHASE A LOT. YEAH, I JUST BRING THAT UP BECAUSE THAT WAS A BIG ITEM WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE US LAST TIME. ABSOLUTELY. BUT. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE TIME. YEAH. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, TOWNHOMES GO IN FRONT OF ME. I DON'T I FELT LIKE THAT WAS KIND OF A YEAH, IN MY OPINION, I ALMOST LIKE THIS WAS A A SITUATION THAT KIND OF WORKED. I KNOW SOMETIMES THAT'S. YEAH.SO GETTING RID OF THEM, I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY HAVING A PROBLEM WITH. I DON'T THINK SO EITHER. YEAH. THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS JUST THAT THEY NEEDED VOLUME TO JUSTIFY THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS. THAT'S THAT THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT ON THAT. BUT AS, AS HE SAID, I THINK THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD OF THE HOMES, IS PROBABLY GOING TO HELP MAKE UP FOR DEVELOPMENT COSTS ON THESE PARTICULAR ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. SO IT'LL WORK OUT FOR HIM. YEAH. I MEAN, MY OTHER THAN THE NORTH SIDE THING, THE COMMERCIALS STILL STAND. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S GETTING ANY SMALLER. SO I DON'T I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHER THING. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT? QUESTION? CONCERN? GRIPE? I GOT ONE QUESTION OUT OF CURIOSITY WITH THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. SAY IF THEY JUST WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND DEVELOP ALL THE ALL THE LAND AS A RESIDENTIAL AND JUST DO AWAY WITH THE COMMERCIAL.
INSTEAD OF COMING BACK LATER ON. IF NOBODY DECIDES TO BUY THE LAND, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND JUST SEE? I WILL SAY THAT BASED ON THE LAND USE PLAN, THAT'S NOT HOW WE'D WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.
THE LAND USE PLAN ACTUALLY DOES CALL FOR THE FRONT OF THIS TO BE COMMERCIAL, AND COUNCIL HAS BEEN PRETTY PROTECTIVE OF OUR COMMERCIAL LAND, YOU KNOW, RIGHTFULLY SO. SO Y YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD GET PASSED COUNCIL'S REVIEW. OKAY. I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE THAT SOMEHOW SOME WAY IT'LL GET IT MAY BE A COUPLE OF YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT'LL IT'LL GET DEVELOPED. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT TOO. THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN. AND WE MAY NOT ALL BE HERE, BUT AND WHO KNOWS, IT MAY GO SO WELL THAT THEY WANT TO BUY THE FIRE STATION TO TEAR IT DOWN AND EXTEND THIS, BECAUSE, YEAH, I CAN MAKE THAT A CONDITION. RIGHT. FIRE CHIEF WANTS TO MOVE IT OVER HERE. HE WANTS A NEW STATION. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE WILLING, THAT'S THE GUY THAT BUYS LAND. I GOT ONE ONE MORE QUESTION. THE ON THE NORTH SIDE, IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S A PUBLIC STREET THERE WHERE THERE'S BLOCKED ACCESS. THAT'S LIKE, KIND OF LIKE THE ALMOST BACK ALLEY ENTRANCE TO SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES. THAT IS ALL ALLEY. THAT'S ALL ALLEY THAT ALL WILL REMAIN IN PLACE. YES, SIR. OKAY. THAT'S ON THE THAT'S PART OF PRESIDENTIAL ESTATES.
AND THEIR ALLEY WILL REMAIN IN PLACE. OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS, BUT SINCE THIS IS A WORKING SESSION, I DON'T KNOW. DO WE MAKE OFFICIAL MOTIONS TO INCLUDE IT? OKAY.
WHEN HE'S. Y'ALL HAVE SAID EVERYTHING YOU'VE GOT TO SAY. I'M SORRY WHEN Y'ALL HAVE SAID EVERYTHING YOU'VE GOT TO SAY. AND HE'S GOT ALL HIS QUESTIONS ANSWERED, THEN HE CAN FINISH IT
[00:30:04]
UP WHENEVER HE WANTS. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE. OTHERWISE, IF Y'ALL HAD ANY QUESTIONS. I MEAN, I THINK SOUNDS LIKE I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.WE'VE GOT OUR INPUT. LIKE MANY PEOPLE HAVE MUCH OF A CONCERN ABOUT IT. I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS JUST THE TOWNHOMES CHANGING AND THE AMENITY CENTER LEAVING. SO I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING. SO ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. SORRY FOR THE DELAY. I WISH I HAD A COOL EXCUSE. SO. OKAY. WELL, THAT WRAPS UP THE WORK SESSION.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE. WE WILL HAVE A MEETING IN TWO WEEKS. 6:00. RIGHT? YEAH. 6:00 TUESDAY, 6:00. I'LL MAKE SURE ABOUT THAT. OKAY. WELL, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO ADJOURN US SO WE CAN GET OUT OF HERE? MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL SECOND MOTION A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. WE'RE
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.