[Historic Review Commission on November 21, 2024.] [00:00:21] PM. I WILL CALL THE MEETING. THE HRC MEETING TO ORDER OUR CHAIRMAN, SANDRA STONE. AS WELL AS OUR VICE CHAIR, ALLISON STOWE, ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT. SO AMONGST THE FIVE OF YOU, SOMEONE NEEDS TO VOLUNTEER OR VOLUNTOLD TO STEP IN AS CHAI. AND I'LL. I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT WHAT'S NEEDED. SO AT THIS TIME, ANY VOLUNTEERS? IF YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT. OKAY. SO CAN IT WON'T MESS UP THE VOTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IF CHRISTY JUST MOVES DOWN HERE. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. FIRST. OKAY. LET'S GO THROUGH ANY COMMENTS ON THE NON-AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT. IF THEY'RE NOT, JUST MOVE ON OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON. THEN. SO FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, ANY UPDATES THERE. YES. WE NEED TO PULL ITEM EIGHT. OKA. FOR CORRECTION TO CAPTAIN'S NAME OKAY. SO LET'S PULL ITEM A FOR A CORRECTION TO I'M SORRY WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AGAIN. ED. EDWIN. EDWIN. OKAY. LAST NAME? CAFFREY. WHAT IS THE CORRECTION AND HOW DO WE R E R E THINGS WE ARE WANTING? GOT IT. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. C A C A F R E Y E R Y. GOTCHA. OKAY, OKAY. YEP. SO THEN JUST ASK FOR A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES WITH THE CORRECTION. OKAY. SO I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES WITH THE CORRECT NAME SPELLING. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE CORRECTION. SECOND. OKAY. AND THEN ALL IN FAVOR WILL VOTE. MOTION PASSES. AND THEN. OKAY. WHAT DO WE DO FOR REGULAR TO THE REGULAR? OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE REGULAR AGENDA TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A [00:05:04] RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGARDING AMENDMENTS OF ZONING ORDINANCE, 20 1509, ARTICLE SIX, SECTION 6.3, DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. OKAY, SO IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS. WE'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH IT, AND I HOPE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH THE PACKET. WHAT I GAVE YOU HARD COPY AGAIN FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHEN WE CONVERT FROM GOOGLE DOCS TO A PDF, IT DIDN'T PICK UP THE CHANGES. BUT THE TAB, THE YELLOW TAB THAT'S IN THE PACKET THAT I GAVE YOU STARTS WHERE WE WE'VE ADDED SOMETHING SINCE OUR LAST MEETING. EVERYTHING ELSE IS EXACTLY LIKE FROM YOUR DIRECTION FROM THE PREVIOUS WORK SESSION. WORK SESSIONS. SO AT THE BOTTOM ITEM H, WE ADDED SPECIAL EVENTS BANNER AND WHAT THIS SECTION IS ARE SPECIFICALLY THOSE EVENT BANNERS THAT GO OVER THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. BASICALLY OVER BALLOT. IF IT'S PROMOTING THE RODEO OR SOME OTHER EVENTS. SO IT'S NOT AN EVENT FOR A BUSINESS OWNER. THIS IS JUST FOR AND I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING, SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP THE 36FT. SO YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT GOES ACROSS RIGHT, RIGHT. MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE. YEAH. AND THEN AS YOU ALSO KNOW OR IF YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF LAWS HAVE CHANGED WITH THE STATE LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS. SO WE REALLY CAN'T GOVERN OR REGULATE CONTENT. SO A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE IN THIS SECTION JUST TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ONLY BANNERS. AND WE ADDED THE COMMENTS SUBMITTED BY APPLICANTS THAT ARE PROMOTING OR SUPPORTING A LOCAL EVENT THAT GIVES US THE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE IT. WE'RE NOT HAVING TO LOOK AT THE SIGN, TO READ IT, TO SEE IF IT'S A SPECIAL EVENT. IT'S BASED ON THAT APPLICANT. SO THAT JUST KIND OF GIVES US SOME LEGAL AUTHORITY. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS THROUGH THAT SECTION. AND THEN IF YOU MOVE DOWN TO SECTION I A, A FRAME, THIS AGAIN WAS JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT COULD BE PLACED ON SIDEWALKS. JUST TRYING TO GET RID OF OR ENSURE THAT WE DON'T GET CLUTTER ALONG THE SIDEWALKS, BE IT ON BALLARD OR JACKSON OR ONE OF THE OTHER STREETS WITHIN THE DISTRICT. WE TOOK OUT THE ENCROACHMENT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY SECTION. AND AT SOME POINT, STAFF WILL PROBABLY TALK ABOUT BECAUSE ON BALLARD SPECIFICALLY THE SIDEWALK IS THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. WE'VE ALLOWED SIGNS TO GO THERE. YOU KNOW, IF WE EVER HAVE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE, WE WANT TO CONTROL THAT MORE. WE WOULD DO THAT THROUGH A SEPARATE ORDINANCE. SO WE JUST KIND OF TOOK THAT THAT LANGUAGE OUT OF HERE. AND THEN IF YOU FLIP OVER TO THE NEXT TO THE LAST PAGE IS WHERE WE ADDED THE PROMOTIONAL SIGNAGE. SO THIS IS SPECIFIC FOR BUSINESSES. AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM YOU ALL WAS YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO KIND OF CONTROL THE NUMBER OF SIGNS. SO THIS IS WHAT THAT SECTION DOES. IT GIVES SIZE. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT THE WIDTH PLACEMENT NOT OBSTRUCTING SIDEWALKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE ADDED SINCE OUR LAST MEETINGS. EVERYTHING ELSE IS, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVE FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AND WE'RE READY NOW TO MOVE FORWARD. AND IF IT'S APPROVED AT THIS LEVEL, THE NEXT STEP, IT WILL GO TO P AND Z FOR APPROVAL, ALONG WITH SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT THAT PLANNING AND ZONING IS PRESENTING FOR OTHER SECTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE. AND THEN THAT WILL GET A RECOMMENDATION THAT WILL ULTIMATELY GO TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL. SO WITH THAT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS IN ANY PART OF THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT. SO I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON PROMOTIONAL SIGNAGE. SO IS THIS LIKE THE BUILDING SIGNAGE? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT WAS KIND OF LISTED SOMEWHERE ELSE? NO. IS IT JUST ADDITIONAL? OKAY. SO AND THE WAY THIS IS REGULATED IS IT'S TEMPORARY IN NATURE. SO AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE TO READ THE SIGN. BUT IF THE APPLICANT COMES IN AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, I'M HAVING A GRAND OPENING AND I WANT THE SIGN TO GO UP FOR TWO WEEKS. SO THAT'S HOW WE REGULATE THAT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF DAYS OR THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT IT'S UP. OKAY. SO JUST TWO QUICK [00:10:06] QUESTIONS. SO ON THE A FRAME SANDWICH BOARD SIGN DOWN THERE IN SUBSECTION FOUR IT SAYS TO THE ESTABLISHMENT WHICH A PERMIT WAS ISSUED IS A PERMIT NEEDED FOR AN A FRAME SANDWICH BOARD. OR IS THAT THE BUSINESS PERMIT. THE BUSINESS PERMIT OKAY. AND THAT'S THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO HAS A BUSINESS ACROSS TOWN, RIGHT, ISN'T PUTTING UP SIGNS. AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION COMES DOWN TO PROMOTIONAL SIGNAGE. SO AN A FRAME SANDWICH BOARD ON THE SIDEWALK IS NOT CONSIDERED PROMOTIONAL SIGNAGE. IS THERE A REGULATION AS TO ATTACHING BALLOONS, THINGS LIKE THAT TO IT? YES. AND I ASK BECAUSE I RUN A RETAIL STORE NOT IN TOWN, BUT WE DO THINGS LIKE THAT. SO YES, WAYS TO GET AROUND THINGS. OH, LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND IT. BUT I BELIEVE I CAN PROBABLY SEARCH IT. I THINK SOMEWHERE IN HERE IT TALKS ABOUT ATTACHING BALLOONS OR STREAMERS. ONCE YOU START ATTACHING BALLOONS AND STREAMERS TO IT, IT BECOMES A PROMOTIONAL SIGN THAT'S UNDER THE PROMOTIONAL SIGNAGE. OKAY. SECTION TWO. SO THE A FRAME IS NOT A THAT'S TYPICALLY FOR, I GUESS FOR WHAT WE SEE DOWNTOWN THAT SOMEONE PUT IN THAT SIGN OUT, WHETHER IT'S THEIR MENU OR, YOU KNOW, ADVERTISING A LUNCH SPECIAL OF THE DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND IT'S OKAY THAT IT CHANGES OVER TIME. YES. OKAY. THANK. YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? DO WE MAKE A MOTION FOR A VOTE? PUBLIC HEARING. OH YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. YOU HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY STATE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. OPEN IT. OKAY. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO I'M OPENING TO THE GALLERY FOR ANY QUESTIONS. AND THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS. SO OKAY SO CLOSE. CLOSE THAT NOW I MAKE A MOTION OKAY I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROMOTIONAL SIGNAGE. AND UPDATES. SECTION SIX OKAY. THE ENTIRE SECTION 6.3 WITHOUT ANY EDITS. SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE IN A SECOND. ANY. MOTION PASSES. THAT'S ALL ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA. BUT I STILL WANT YOU TO KNOW, WE MORE THAN LIKELY WILL HAVE A MEETING NEXT MONTH, BUT IT WILL HAVE TO BE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING ON THE 20 ON THE 19TH, BECAUSE THE FOURTH THURSDAY FALLS AFTER CHRISTMAS. SO IF YOU WILL, JUST IF YOU COULD SHOOT GABBY AN EMAIL AND LET HER KNOW IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE OR IF YOU'RE READY TO TELL ME THAT NOW, FOR SURE YOU'RE AVAILABLE. OKAY, I KNOW WE WILL HAVE AN APPLICANT THEY SENT IN SOME OF THEIR STUFF, BUT THEY DIDN'T GET IT IN TIME FOR THIS MEETING. SO RATHER THAN THEM HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE REGULAR MEETING IN JANUARY, IF Y'ALL ARE AVAILABLE, WE CAN HOLD THAT MEETING ON THE 19TH. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. CAN I TAKE A MOTION FOR SOME FOR US TO CLOSE? MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. OKAY, I'LL SECOND. SO WE SECONDED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.