[CALL TO ORDER]
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          YES. GOOD EVENING. IT IS NOW 6:00. I CALL TO ORDER THE WILEY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          REGULAR MEETING FOR OCTOBER 15TH, 2024. UP NEXT, WE WILL HAVE THE INVOCATION BY MYSELF AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY COMMISSIONER CREWS. PLEASE RISE. LORD, THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO GET HERE SAFELY. HELP US TO GET TO THESE ITEMS TO MAKE RIGHT DECISIONS AND GET HOME SAFELY, AND HAVE A GREAT REST OF THE WEEK. IT'S IN YOUR NAME, WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STAND. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY. MOVING ON. WE HAVE COMMENTS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. IF THERE'S SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, GENERAL PUBLIC, THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS ON A NON AGENDA 
          [CONSENT AGENDA]
ITEM, YOU CAN COME UP AND DO SO AT THIS TIME. AND AS NOBODY'S GETTING UP WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. COMMISSIONERS IS THERE ANYTHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WE SHOULD HAVE PULLED TO DISCUSS? IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE, WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. I SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. AND THE CONSENT 
          [1. Consider, and act upon, a Site Plan for Lot 1, Block A of Wylie I.S.D. School Complex for the development of an Intermediate and Junior High School on 47.463 acres. Property generally located near 1204 Kreymer Lane.]
AGENDA PASSES SIX ZERO. NEXT UP IS REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A SITE PLAN FOR LOT ONE, BLOCK A OF WYLIE ISD SCHOOL COMPLEX FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN INTERMEDIATE AND JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL ON 47.463 ACRES PROPERTY, GENERALLY LOCATED NEAR 1204 CRAMER LANE. MISTER. MOLINA. YES. GOOD EVENING. OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE REGULAR AGENDA IS A REQUEST FROM THE WYLIE INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR TWO NEW SCHOOLS. ONE IS AN INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL AND THE OTHER ONE IS A JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL. AND THIS SITE IS LOCATED AT 1204 CRAMER LANE. THE SITE PLAN DOES SHOW ACCESS FROM BROWN STREET, CRAMER LANE AND FROM MOSSY OAK LANE. THE PROPOSAL DOES CONTAIN A FOOTBALL FIELD AS WELL AS TWO TENNIS COURTS AND THE FIRE ENGINEERING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAVE LOOKED AT THIS, AND WE'VE EVEN RECEIVED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S INPUT. AND THEY ALSO HAVE SUBMITTED A TIA THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING REVIEWED. AS PRESENTED, THE SITE PLAN IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS. 
          THEY'RE PROVIDING ENOUGH PARKING WITH 481 PARKING SPACES, AND THEY HAVE 51.5% LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS A LOT. SO THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS. ESSENTIALLY, IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHAT ALL THE OTHER SCHOOLS LOOK LIKE. THEY DO HAVE AN ENHANCED ENTRANCE WITH AN ALUMINUM CANOPY. AND IT'S 38FT NINE INCHES TALL. WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M CLOSE TO THAT FOOTBALL FIELD OF THOSE HOUSES. SO IT'S ALSO TO EXPLAIN IT'S A FOOTBALL FIELD. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE USED AS A LIKE A STADIUM. THINK OF IT. IT'S A PRACTICE FIELD. JUST PRACTICE. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE STANDS. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE BURNETT. CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. IT DOES HAVE A RUNNING TRACK AROUND IT AS WELL. I ASSUME IT'S GOING TO BE USED BY OTHER SCHOOLS OR FOR PRACTICE FOR HIGH SCHOOL OR SOMETHING, WITH ALL THE PARKING. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING. MAYBE IT'S NOT FOR THE PARKING. YEAH. SO, YEAH, THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE USED FOR THE JUNIOR HIGH, AND IT'S FOR BOTH BOTH SCHOOLS. IT'S SHARED PARKING ESSENTIALLY. 
          OKAY. I CAN ZOOM IN MORE IF YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE. AND THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE HANDICAPPED SPACES AS WELL. IT'S PROVIDING 1616 ADA ACCESSIBLE SPACES. AND THEY ARE GOING TO 
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HAVE TO INSTALL SIDEWALKS AS WELL. FOR KRAMER LANE AND MOSSY OAK. MOSSY OAK LANE. THAT CURVE SECTION THERE BETWEEN THE TWO SCHOOLS, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BUS LANE. AND THEN THE WHERE THE PARENTS ARE GOING TO PICK UP. SAME PLACE. NOW THE PARENTS PICK UP ON THE FRONT, THE BUS LANES IN THE BACK. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? IF NOT, I KNOW WE HAVE. I RECEIVED ONE FORM FOR CITIZEN COMMENT, SO I'M GOING TO CALL UP THIS PERSON THEN. IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK, YOU'LL BE GIVEN TIME TO. SO FIRST UP IS SANDRA BRASWELL. I JUST WANT YOU TO COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SANDRA BRASWELL, 207 DOUGLAS DRIVE, WYLIE. I'M HERE TO VOICE MY CONCERNS ON THE TRAFFIC. I KNOW PROBABLY NONE OF YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH BROWN, BUT I HAVE HAD TO FOR 38 YEARS, AND IT'S GETTING WORSE. AND WORSE AND WORSE. AND I'M NOT AN OLD PERSON THAT'S AGAINST SCHOOLS. I'M NOT TRYING. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE MINDSET THAT AN OLD PERSON DOESN'T CARE ABOUT SCHOOLS AND THAT'S NOT ME AT ALL. I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THREE SCHOOLS. WELL, ONE BEING BUILT, SO THREE SCHOOLS AND THEN TWO MORE. THAT'S FIVE SCHOOLS THAT, LIKE IT OR NOT, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE BROWN. THEY EVEN THE WYLIE STUDENTS DO NOT TAKE THE WYLIE STREET. THEY TAKE BROWN. I MEAN I KNOW I EXPERIENCED THIS EVERY DAY AND LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE, WHEN I COME OUT MY ALLEY, I HAVE TO TURN RIGHT AND THEN GET OVER TO THE LEFT LANE AND MAKE A U-TURN TO TURN LEFT, TO GET UP TO 78. AND IT'S VERY, VERY DANGEROUS. AND PEOPLE HONK AT YOU AND SAY WORDS TO YOU THAT AREN'T PLEASANT, AND IT'S JUST. AND WHEN I WHEN I TAKE BROWN TO GO UP TO EUBANKS TO CUT OVER, TO GET TO WALMART, PEOPLE FLY BY ME WHEN I'M DRIVING 30 MILES AN HOUR OR LESS, THEY JUST FLY RIGHT BY ME LIKE THERE'S NO SPEED LIMIT. AND I'M JUST REALLY, TRULY CONCERNED ABOUT FIVE SCHOOLS BEING ON BROWN. AND I KNOW THAT KRAMER AND I ISN'T THERE A KRAMER STREET? I THINK THERE IS UP THERE. AND EUBANKS IS AN OUTLET. BUT THEY DON'T TAKE THAT. THEY DO NOT TAKE IT. THEY TAKE BROWN. SO I WAS JUST HOPING THAT THAT WOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS TO MAYBE MAKING A BETTER WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN AND OUT THAN BROWN. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? SINCE NOBODY'S GETTING UP. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS. JASON, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ON EXPANDING? KRAMER? WIDENING IT. I'M GOING TO TOM FROM OUR ENGINEER. PROBABLY COULD ANSWER THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN I CAN. I HAVE SOME GENERAL INFORMATION, BUT. YES, TOM NGUYEN, ENGINEERING DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, THE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT FUNDING OPTIONS FOR RECONSTRUCTING. KRAMER. YOU KNO, UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE EXPLORING POSSIBLE FUNDING OPTIONS WITH COG AND BUT AT THIS TIME WE DO NOT HAVE PLANS TO EXPAND. KRAME. 
          KEVIN, DID YOU STILL SAY THAT WE'RE WAITING ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT FOR THIS? YES. 
          A TRAFFIC I'M SORRY. TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS SUBMITTED ON SEPTEMBER 16TH. WE'VE HAD WE'VE SUBMITTED TO A LOCAL ENGINEERING FIRM FOR A THIRD PARTY REVIEW ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. WE'VE HAD COORDINATION MEETINGS WITH WYLIE ISD ABOUT POSSIBLE ROUTES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND ABOUT THE 
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SITE PLAN AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND POSSIBLE SIGNAL OF YOU KNOW, SIGNAL MODIFICATIONS NEAR THIS AREA. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE HAD BUT IN REVIEW OF THE TIA, IT DOES MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE TRAFFIC COUNTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO WE HAVE A PENDING REVIEW SHOULD BE IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNOW THIS OR NOT. I ASSUME MOST BUSSES ARE GOING TO LEAVE AND TAKE THE ROUTE THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO BROWN, OR IS THAT WHAT'S UP HERE? I BELIEVE DURING THE PRE MEETING THAT WAS DISCUSSED. WE HAVE A WYLIE REPRESENTATIVE WHO CAN COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MIKE GISPERT I WORK FOR PBK ARCHITECTS. MY ADDRESS IS 1809 MARQUETTE IN RICHARDSON. SO I DON'T LIVE UP HERE IN WYLIE. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE BUS, THE WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DISTRICT. THE BUSSES ARE GOING TO GO OUT TO BROWN ON THAT NORTH ROAD BY THE BY THE TRACK. THAT'S THE REASON WE ADDED THAT THAT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY IN THERE RECOMMENDED TO BE ADDED AND THAT SINCE THE DISTRICT HAS THE PROPERTY, IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO SEND THE BUSSES UP TO BROWN AND FORCE THEM TO TURN BACK TO THE EAST. I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE FROM FROM MY MEMORY, THERE IS AN INTENTION TO PUT A CUT THERE, BUT WITH TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF EAST, MOST OF THOSE BUSSES, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AND PUSH THEM BACK TOWARDS WYLIE EAST AND FORCE THEM TO GO THAT WAY TO GET, BECAUSE MOST OF THESE KIDS, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, ARE GOING TO COME FROM THE EAST SIDE OF THE LAKE, ROCKWALL SIDE, LIKE COMING IN FROM THAT SIDE. SO THEY'LL BE SENDING A LOT OF THE BUSSES THAT WAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS, ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE? ESPECIALLY FOR THE ARCHITECT IF HE'S AVAILABLE. I MEAN THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. SO YOU SAID MOST OF THE WHERE THE FEED FROM THE STUDENTS ARE COMING FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD FROM THE DISTRICT, MOST OF THESE STUDENTS WILL COME FROM EAST SIDE OF WYLIE, POTENTIALLY EVEN THAT PART OF WYLIE IS IN NORTHERN ROCKWALL COUNTY, SO THEY'LL BE COMING FROM THERE. SO THEY'LL BE MORE OF THESE STUDENTS WILL BE BUSSED STUDENTS, AND THE BUSSES WILL BE GOING THAT DIRECTION BACK ACROSS THE LAKE. THEY WON'T BE TURNING GOING. YOU MAY HAVE A COUPLE THAT END UP GOING A DIFFERENT WAY TO GET DOWN SOUTH, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE NORTHEAST OF WYLIE. GOTCHA. TO FOLLOW UP ON ONE OF THE OTHER EARLIER STATEMENTS, THE BUSSES WILL STRICTLY BE BEHIND THE SCHOOL. THE BIG LOOP THAT'S BETWEEN THE TWO SCHOOLS THERE. 
          THAT'S EXPLICITLY FOR BUSSES. ALL OF THE PARENTS WILL BE EITHER ON THE WEST SIDE OR THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SCHOOLS. GOTCHA. I'M ASSUMING PARENTS COULD GO NORTH AND FOLLOW A BUS UP, OR IS THAT GOING TO BE JUST THE WAY, THE WAY WE'RE WE WANT TO INTEND IT TO BE IS TO FORCE THEM TO BACK OUT TO THE INTERSECTION AT KRAMER AND BROWN. OKAY. WE ARE PROVIDING 2000 APPROXIMATELY 2000 LINEAR FEET OF STACKING. SO AT LEAST 100 CARS ON SITE, WHICH WAS WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED FROM THE TIA. SO WE ARE TRYING TO STACK ALMOST ALL THE CARS ON THE SITE. NOT IN THE STREET, NOT ON NOT ON KRAMER, AND NOT ON MOSSY OAK. GET THEM ON WYLIE PROPERTY. GET THEM OFF OF THE STREET. FOR THOSE THAT ARE BEHIND YOU, WOULD YOU PLEASE DEFINE WHAT TIA IS? WE KNOW. YEAH. TIA STANDS FOR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. BASICALLY, THERE'S SMARTER ENGINEERS THAN I AM THAT TAKE CAR COUNTS OF EVERY INTERSECTION. THEY TAKE CAR COUNTS OF NUMBER OF VEHICLES, NUMBER OF TRIPS EVERY DAY. AND THEY CAN ESTABLISH WHERE YOU NEED TRAFFIC LIGHTS, WHERE YOU NEED STOP SIGNS, WHAT THE STACKING IS GOING TO BE AT THOSE STOP LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS. I DO BELIEVE THE RECOMMENDATION ON BROWN IS GOING TO BE TO ADD A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT LEAST ONE SIGNAL AT KRAMER AND BROWN, AND FROM MY MEMORY ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY. BUT I THINK THERE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE THERE, AS THE WOMAN DISCUSSED EARLIER, THERE IS ANOTHER SCHOOL, AND THERE IS THEY'RE ANTICIPATING MORE TRAFFIC ON BROWN BECAUSE OF THAT. SO I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION IS AT LEAST TWO LIGHTS UP THERE. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK IT'S GOOD. DO WE HAVE ANY MORE? WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY MORE COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. OH, YOU DID COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. PLEASE. SLIGHTLY DISAGREE. I TURN ON THE MICROPHONE THERE. I 
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LIVE AT 507 RUSTIC CIRCLE, JUST OFF BROWN. BUT WE'RE ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, NOT ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN. KELLY. DISC DISC. SO BROWN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS A FARM TO MARKET ROAD, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF BROWN EXTENDING TO THE EAST SIDE OF 78 IS STILL A FARM TO MARKET ROAD. 
          AND IF THAT'S SUBJECT TO THE STATE OF TEXAS JURISDICTION, IN OTHER WORDS, CAN YOU PUT A STOPLIGHT THERE ON BROWN WHEREVER YOU WANT? YEAH. THE CITY OWNS BROWN. THE CITY OWNS BROWN OWNS THE RIGHT OF WAY ON BROWN. SO IF THERE'S A STOPLIGHT THAT'S RECOMMENDED, THEN WHEN FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE, A STOPLIGHT WILL GET PUT THERE. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. RIGHT. THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS? NOT ALL. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT. OKAY. I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE PLAN, BUT I'M SORRY. I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE PLAN, BUT KRAMER REALLY NEEDS ANOTHER LANE ON THE RIGHT SIDE. 
          IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN THE STREET RIGHT THERE, TOM CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. IT'S NOT THAT THE CITY DOESN'T THINK THAT KRAMER NEEDS IT, IT'S THAT THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR IT. AS OF RIGHT NOW. 
          SO IT IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A DESIGN. BUT IN THE LONG TERM, KRAMER WILL EVENTUALLY BE EXPANDED AT SOME POINT, BECAUSE I CAN SEE A CONCERN WITH THE WAY KRAMER CURVES RIGHT IN THERE. 
          RIGHT. THAT COULD REALLY BACK UP. YES, IT CAN. AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF FUNDING. YEAH. AT THIS POINT OKAY. TOM, WOULD THAT BE ACCURATE. YES, THAT WOULD BE ACCURATE. AS PART OF THE AS JASON MENTIONED, THE ENGINEERING DESIGN WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT EXPANDING IT FROM LIKE A TWO LANE TO A FOUR LANE, MAYBE DIVIDED ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY WOULD HAVE TO BE ACQUIRED ON BOTH SIDES OF KRAMER. AND SO WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT THE DESIGN. YOU KNOW, IT WOULD IT WOULD YOU HAVE TO FUND THE DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE AND THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION AND UTILITY RELOCATION. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THAT ONE IS. THE CONSTRUCTION TIME FOR THE SCHOOL TO BE COMPLETED. MIKE GISPERT PBK ARCHITECTS. THE SCHOOLS ARE SCHEDULED TO GO UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IF ALL PASSES AND ALL GOES WELL, THE BEGINNING OF 25 AND OPEN IN THE FALL OF 26. SO NOT NEXT SCHOOL YEAR, BUT THE ONE AFTER THAT. SO THEN AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AND THE ROADS BEING IMPROVED, WILL IT BE DONE BY THE END? IS IT POSSIBLE OR I, I AT THIS POINT THE FUNDING IS THE MAIN ISSUE. 
          LIKE I SAID, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FACT THAT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU RECONSTRUCT KRAMER, YOU KNOW, KRAMER LANE, IT COULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE IN THE MILLIONS SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO WE WOULD HAVE TO FUND THE DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE AND THE UTILITY RELOCATION AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. SO SCHEDULE WISE, UNTIL WE GET THE FUNDING, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ANOTHER TWO YEARS, TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO IT'S FINISHED. ONCE THE FUNDING HAS BEEN SECURED. TWO AND A HALF YEARS AFTER THE SCHOOL HAS BEEN COMPLETED. NO. ONCE THE FUNDING HAS BEEN SECURED, WHENEVER THAT MAY BE. YES. CORRECT. NO ONE HAS ANYTHING ELSE. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE, WE ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL AS PRESENTED FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE. OH, YOU HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. I SECOND THE MOTION A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. 
          [2. Consider, and act upon, a Site Plan for Lot 1, Block B of Premier Industrial Park South for an addition to an existing manufacturing use. Property located at 930 Hensley Lane.]
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THAT PASSES 6 TO 0. THANK YOU. OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A SITE PLAN FOR LOT ONE, BLOCK B OF PREMIER INDUSTRIAL PARK SOUTH FOR AN ADDITION FOR AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING MANUFACTURING USE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 930 HENSLEY LANE. MR. MOLINA. OUR SECOND ITEM ON THE REGULAR AGENDA IS A SITE PLAN FOR AN ADDITION OF APPROXIMATELY 7000FT■!S. THEY'RE ALSO WANTING TO BUILD A TRUCK BARN THAT MEASURES 4560FT. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 930 HENSLEY LANE, AND IT'S THE SITE OF AN EXISTING EXTRUSION COMPANY THAT DEALS WITH CONDUCTING SERVICES OF CASTING, EXTRUSION AND FABRICATION, AND FINISHING. AND SO THIS ADDITION WOULD HAVE TO BE SPRINKLED. THEY ARE ALSO ADDING 50 NEW PARKING SPACES, AND THEY'RE PROVIDING SEVEN ADA SPACES. THE LANDSCAPING ISN'T BEING AFFECTED WITH THIS ADDITION. SO THEY'RE STILL PROVIDING. 278,000FT■!S OF LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS OVER THE 10% REQUIREMENT. THE BUILDING IS GOING TO MATCH ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW WITH METAL PANELS. AND SO THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS. THE APPLICANT IS HERE. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE INTENDED USE, HE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS ON THAT. THANK YOU. SO IT'S JUST A SMALL LITTLE ISH AREA. YEAH. 
          IT'S WHERE MY CURSOR IS. THE ATTACHMENT THE ADDITION AND THEN THE TRUCK BARNS IN THE BACK. 
          YEAH. IF YOU RECALL, IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, ANYTIME THERE IS ADDITIONAL SQUARE FEET ADDED, THEN IT HAS TO COME TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND ZONING FOR CONSIDERATION. NOW THE FACADE ELEVATION IS GOING TO LOOK BASICALLY LIKE IF THEY DID IT OVERNIGHT, NO ONE WOULD EVEN NOTICE KIND OF THING. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS. IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. NO QUESTIONS FROM ME, BUT I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF YOU'RE READY. I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF YOU'RE READY. NO QUESTIONS FROM ME MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. YEAH, I'M MAKING A MOTION. UNLESS YOU'RE READY FOR IT. I CAN'T HEAR ANYBODY. WHAT'S SOMEBODY SAYING? HE'S SAYING THAT HE'S READY TO MAKE A MOTION. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHY THE MIC'S NOT PICKING UP. OKAY, SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? IF NOT, YOU CAN PROCEED WITH YOUR MOTIO. 
          MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT IT AS PRESENTED. I'LL SECOND IT. I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND, I SECOND, YEAH I SECOND. THERE IT GOES. THERE WE GO. TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. THERE WE GO. 
          PLEASE VOTE. OKAY. THAT PASSES 6 TO 0. YEAH. OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. HOLD A PUBLIC 
          [3. Hold a Public Hearing, consider, and act upon, a recommendation to City Council regarding the writing of an ordinance for a change in zoning from Neighborhood Services (NS) to Townhouse District (TH) on 1.84 acres to allow for single-family attached development. Property located at 701 West Brown Street (ZC 2024- 07).]
HEARING. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE WRITING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR CHANGE IN ZONING FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND S TO TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT TH ON 1.84 ACRES TO ALLOW FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY LOCATED AT 701 WEST BROWN STREET. SEC. 2020 4-07. MR. MOLINA. OKAY, OUR LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A REQUEST FOR A ZONING CHANGE. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 701 WEST BROWN STREET. IT'S JUST SOUTH OF BIRMINGHAM SCHOOL. IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, AND THE APPLICANTS WANTING TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO TOWNHOME DISTRICT AND THEIR PROPOSAL SHOWS THE DEVELOPMENT OF 12 TOWNHOME UNITS. THEY'RE ALL PLANNED TO BE PLATTED ON SEPARATE LOTS TO BE SOLD INDIVIDUALLY. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS. THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE SHOWN A CONNECTION TO RUSTIC CIRCLE. THEY DO HAVE AN EMERGENCY GATE SINCE THE EMERGENCY ACCESS IS REALLY ONLY NEEDED FOR FIRE SAFETY PURPOSES, SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE GATE. SOMETHING TO NOTE IS THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC STREET, SO THE GATE WILL BE MAINTAINED BY 
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THE CITY. THEY DON'T HAVE AN HOA TO MAINTAIN IT AND THEY ALSO DID RECEIVE PERMISSION FROM THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT TO ADD THE PAVEMENT. BECAUSE THERE IS A 60 FOOT EASEMENT BACK THERE. AND I ALSO IN YOUR PACKET YOU HAVE THE ELEVATIONS. THEY TRIED TO MAKE THE DEVELOPMENT LOOK LIKE BIRMINGHAM SCHOOL. THEY PICKED THE SAME BRICK COLORS AND EVEN THE ANGLES OF THE STONE OF THE ROOF SLOPE. AND YOUR PACKET ALSO HAS THE DESIGN STANDARDS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR TOWNHOME DISTRICTS. SO THAT SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEIR MINIMUM LOT SIZES ARE, THE MINIMUM DWELLING UNIT SIZE AND THEIR SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. SO THIS DEVELOPMENT, LOOKING AT THE LAND USE PLAN, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, IT IS IN THE LOCAL COMMERCIAL SECTOR. AND THIS DEVELOPMENT ISN'T DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATCH THAT LOCAL COMMERCIAL SECTOR. SO IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION YOU REALLY HAVE TO DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO STAY WITH THE LOCAL COMMERCIAL SECTOR OR IF YOU WANT TO GO MORE WITH THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND WE DID MAIL 24 NOTICES. WE RECEIVED EIGHT IN FAVOR AND 3 OR 8 IN OPPOSITION AND THREE IN FAVOR. AND THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS PREPARED A PRESENTATION THAT I HAVE UPLOADED. AND I GUESS LET'S LET THEM PRESENT IT BEFORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          I GUESS WE'LL LISTEN TO THE PRESENTATION. YEAH. TOM GREEN, IT'S TOM. JUST COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, SIR. HI. GOOD EVENING TOM GRUNA 2209 SHAKESPEARE CARROLLTON. AND I'M I'M A GAME TIME REPLACEMENT HERE. THE PLANNER ARCHITECT UNFORTUNATELY HAD A FAMILY ACCIDENT ABOUT AN HOUR OR TWO AGO. SO I'M I'VE BEEN RECRUITED TO STEP IN AND I'LL DO THE BEST I CAN TO EXPLAIN EVERYTHING I'M FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH, WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING. BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO HERE. THE MY BACKGROUND. I'M WITH YOUNGER PARTNERS. WE'RE THE BROKERAGE FIRM THAT'S ASSISTING IN IN BETWEEN THE BUYERS AND THE SELLERS. SO WE'RE WE'RE FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH IT. AND I'VE BEEN GOSH I'VE BEEN INVOLVED HERE IN WILEY DOING COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS FOR WELL OVER A QUARTER CENTURY. SO I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH WITH THE AREA AND WITH, WITH BROWN STREET AND MANY OTHER THINGS IN TOWN. AND FAMILIAR WITH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS, IS ACTUALLY IT'S A IT'S A NICE. I WOULD SAY ALTERNATIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES ZONING. THAT'S THAT IS ON THE CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY THE AND I'LL, I'LL ROLL THROUGH THE SLIDES HERE AS BEST I CAN AND EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. IT SAYS REZONE UNDERUTILIZED LAND, BRINGING HIGH QUALITY AND ATTAINABLE HOMES TO THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BRING ABOUT A DOZEN TOWNHOMES. NICE QUALITY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS PROBABLY 350, 400, $450,000 PRICE RANGE AND THE DENSITY IS IT'S THEY'RE ALL HERE. WE'LL GET INTO THE DENSITY HERE IN A SECOND. BUT THE AS WE MENTIONED, IT'S OWN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. BUT CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. THE IT'S A MID-BLOCK SITE. THEY GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY ON THIS PROPERTY. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND HAVE WATCHED IT GO THROUGH THREE DIFFERENT OWNERS, AND WE'VE HELPED IN THE IN THE MARKETING OF IT. AND WHO KNOWS, MAYBE IT'S THE LACK OF A GOOD BROKER THAT THEY'VE HAD. BUT BUT IT'S BEEN TOUGH FOR MANY YEARS TO TRY TO BRING A COMMERCIAL USE TO THIS PROPERTY. IT'S A IT'S A MID-BLOCK SITE. IT'S NOT A TERRIBLY ATTRACTIVE SITE. THERE'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY SPEAKING, THERE'S LOW TRAFFIC COUNTS ON BROWN STREET AND THAT THAT MAKES IT FAIRLY UNATTRACTIVE FOR COMMERCIAL USES. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO 544 AND 78, WHERE MOST OF THE COMMERCIAL, PARDON ME SO, SO THE WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO FIVE 4478 COUNTRY CLUB, THAT'S WHERE REALLY THE SUCCESSFUL COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO BE FOUND. AND SO IT'S BEEN TOUGH TRYING TO FIND A USE FOR IT. THIS IS A PROPOSAL AS I SAY, A DOZEN TOWNHOME UNITS AND YOU'VE GOT YOU REALLY HAVE YOU KNOW WE TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. I THINK KEVIN HAD 
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MENTIONED THAT THE PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT RUSTIC CIRCLE. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CIRCULATE FROM RUSTIC CIRCLE THROUGH THE PROPERTY OUT ONTO BROWN IN EITHER DIRECTION. IT'S ONLY FOR FIRE AND EMERGENCY USES SO THAT THAT YOU WILL NOT SEE ANY IMPACT TO RUSTIC CIRCLE AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, THE AS YOU CAN SEE, IT THERE THE SQUARE, THE RECTANGULAR SPACE THAT'S SHOWING WHERE THAT THAT CONTROL GATE WILL BE. AND YOU CAN SEE THE LOT SIZES AVERAGING, I THINK, 3500FT■!S OR MORE. TO MY UNDERSTANDING. AND YOU'VE GOT THE BUFFER AT THE BACK WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT 60 FOOT EASEMENT FROM THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT, THAT ACTUALLY THAT WHOLE EASEMENT RUNS THROUGH THAT SECTION OF TOWN RUNNING SOUTHWEST TO NORTHEAST. AND THAT THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE A NICE GREEN SPACE BUFFER TO THE HOMES ADJACENT. IF YOU WERE TO TRY TO DEVELOP SOME COMMERCIAL THERE, IT'S VERY HIGHLY LIKELY THAT YOU'LL HAVE PARKING BACK THERE AND OR TRASH PICKUP, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK THAT THIS IS PROBABLY A MUCH QUIETER USE THAN YOU WOULD IF YOU WERE TO BE ABLE TO PUT COMMERCIAL BACK THERE. I THINK YOUR YOUR ACTIVITY LEVEL IS GOING TO BE QUIETER AND LOWER THAN YOU WOULD WITH COMMERCIAL. 
          SO, SO THERE'S THOSE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS TO PUT INTO CONSIDERATION. IT IS RELATIVELY LOW DENSITY WHEN YOU CONSIDER A NORMAL TOWNHOME DENSITY, TRADITIONAL TOWNHOME DENSITY. 
          THIS HAS ONLY COMES TO BE ABOUT SIX AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE. AS WE MENTIONED. WE TALKED, YOU KNOW, VERY LOW TRAFFIC IMPACT ON BROWN STREET AND JASON OR KEVIN IS THERE. WHAT ARE THE PLANS THERE? IS THERE ANY PLANS FOR EXPANSION OF BROWN STREET TO WIDEN THE RIGHT OF WAY OR ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE? BROWN'S ALREADY BEEN EXPANDED AS FAR AS IT'S GOING TO ON THAT SIDE. SO IT'S AS IT AS IT WILL BE. AS FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, OKAY. WE TALKED ABOUT THE EASEMENT AT THE BACK, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE CUL DE SAC. AGAIN, THE ELEVATIONS. THAT'S RELATIVELY A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, I THINK WHAT THEY BELIEVE, WHAT THEY PLAN TO BUILD AND LET'S SEE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S IT IN BASIC. BUT I THINK I'LL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I CAN AS BEST I CAN I, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY GOOD ALTERNATIVE WITH A GOOD QUALITY PRODUCT AND NICE, QUIET, SENSIBLE, REASONABLE USE. SO. ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE BEFORE WE LET HIM SIT BACK DOWN? I GOT ONE. HOW IS THE TRASH PICKUP GOING TO WORK? IT'S NOT SHOWN IN THE SITE PLAN. C.W.D WOULD HANDLE THAT. IT WOULD JUST BE A TRUCK COMING DOWN THE STREET, AND THEN THEY'D HAVE TO BACK UP. BACK UP INTO BROWN AS OF RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHY IT'S SOMETHING TO WORK ON. WILL IT BE A DUMPSTER IN THERE OR. I MEAN, PROBABLY ONCE ENGINEERING LOOKS AT IT, IF THIS WAS TO BE APPROVED. I MEAN, KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A ZONING CASE. 
          SO THIS IS PRELIMINARY AT THIS POINT. IF IT GOT APPROVED, WHAT WOULD ENGINEERING WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE. BUT I CAN'T SAY THIS FOR SURE WOULD BE THAT WHERE THE STREET IS THAT THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER KIND OF CUL DE SAC ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GATE, ON THE TOWNHOME SIDE OF THE GATE. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST ME GUESSING BECAUSE I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. SO. BUT YEAH. MR. MCMURRAY, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SO I'M LOOKING AT IT. IS THERE JUST ONE WAY IN PRELIMINARY RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT LOOKS JUST DOWN THE STREET, EVEN FOR THE RESIDENTS TO TULANE, TULANE STREET AND IN AND OUT. YES. YEAH. IT'S A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL STREET. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES REQUIRE TWO ENTRANCES IN A SUBDIVISION, AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PROPOSING THE GATE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. BUT ALSO IN ORDER, YOU KNOW, FOR RESPECT OF THE FOLKS THAT LIVE ON THE CUL DE SAC THAT WILL BE CLOSED TO EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY. GOOD TO KNOW. SO THE ONLY PARKING, I GUESS, INSIDE THIS. DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE ON THE DRIVEWAYS THEY'RE GOING WITH STANDARDS. SO THERE'D BE TWO CAR GARAGES WOULD 
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BE REQUIRED IN THE TOWNHOMES. SO YOU'D HAVE TWO PARKING SPOTS THERE. AND THEN YES, ANY EXCESS OF ANY EXCESS PARKING WOULD BE THE DRIVEWAYS. COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS. GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OR SOMEBODY, ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK. YOU CAN DO S. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'VE RECEIVED ANY COMMENT FORMS, BUT I WILL SAY IF YOU DO COME UP AND SPEAK, PLEASE SEE MISS GABY AFTERWARDS AND SHE CAN GIVE YOU A FORM TO FILL OUT. YOU CAN DO IT AFTERWARDS. YOU HAVE. I'M MARK DRISCOLL. I LIVE AT 507 RUSTIC CIRCLE. I GOT A COUPLE CONCERNS WITH WHAT I'VE JUST SEEN ON THE ON THE PRINT. I UNDERSTAND THE GATE IS GOING TO BE CLOSED. WHAT KEEPS THE PEOPLE FROM PARKING ON OUR STREET AND WALKING BACK TO THEIR HOUSE? THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING. THE WAY IT IS ON OUR STREET. TWO THE ONE WAY IN AND THE ONE WAY OUT. I KNOW HE DOESN'T. WHEREVER HE WENT, HE DOESN'T LIVE HERE IN WYLIE. BUT IF YOU'VE EVER TRIED TO DRIVE DOWN THAT STREET DURING SCHOOL TIME, YOU AIN'T DRIVING NOWHERE. I MEAN, IT'S A PARKING LOT. I'M SORRY, BUT THEY CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY, BUT. SO YOU GOT ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. EVERYBODY'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO, RIGHT? COMING OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE YOU'LL NEVER TURN LEFT UNLESS YOU GUYS PUT A STOPLIGHT AT THE SCHOOL, WHICH MAY NOT BE A BAD THING. THE SCHOOL CAN USE IT TO WALK ACROSS THE STREET. WE'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 89. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY KIDS WALK ACROSS THAT FIEL. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THE SAFETY WITH THE KIDS THAT ARE STILL GOING TO WALK ACROSS THAT FIELD? GOING BACK AND FORTH TO SCHOOL, BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE WALKING, FIGHTING THE TRAFFIC OR THEM PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO WALK RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. YOU KNOW HOW KIDS ARE. I WAS A KID ONCE. ALL YOU GUYS WERE KIDS ONCE. I'VE LIVED THERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW I USED TO MOW A PATH ACROSS THAT FIELD SO THE KIDS DIDN'T HAVE TO WALK IN THE HIGH GRASS. 
          THE TRASH. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MAKING A CUL DE SAC IN THE BACK. THAT MEANS ALL THE TRASH IS GOING TO BE RIGHT NEXT TO GARY STARNES HOUSE, WHICH IS ONLY A COUPLE HOUSES DOWN FROM ME. I DON'T WANT TO SMELL THEIR TRASH. WHEN I WAS GETTING AT WAS THAT WOULDN'T BE WHERE THE TRASH WOULD GO TO GO OUT IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY'S HOUSE, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, LIKE IT NORMALLY DOES. BUT THAT WOULD BE WHERE THE TRASH TRUCK WOULD EITHER WOULD HAVE TO TURN AROUND, LIKE ALL APARTMENT COMPLEXES. YOU CAN CALL THIS WHATEVER YOU WANT. IT'S A GOOD DUMPING SPOT FOR PEOPLE TO DUMP THEIR MATTRESSES AND THEIR TRASH THAT THEY DON'T WANT. THEY DRIVE BY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, CHUCK IT IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A HOME. IT'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. I'M SURE YOU GUYS GET ALL KINDS OF CRAP DUMPED HERE AT THE CITY THAT YOU DON'T WANT. THAT'S NOT YOURS. THEM ARE MY CONCERNS. PARKING IS THE NUMBER ONE. THANK YOU. SIR. DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? I'M SURE YOU HEARD ME, BUT JUST COME UP AND SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. AND, SIR, IF YOU'LL FILL OUT A FORM SPEAKING FORM, SIR. I'LL GET IT. I'LL GET IT TO HIM. OKAY. OH, GARY STARNES, 515, RUSTIC CIRCLE. WHENEVER I BOUGHT MY LOT IN 1984, I TALKED TO JOHN AIKIN, OUR MAYOR THEN, AND RITA ALLEN AND THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THEY ZONED IT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT IT'S ZONED NOW. THEY SAID IT NEVER CHANGED. SO I BUILT MY HOUSE THERE IN 85. I'VE BEEN IN MY HOME FOR 39 YEARS. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST TOWNHOMES. I'VE BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION ALL MY LIFE. 50 YEARS AS A PLUMBER, BUT I DO NOT WANT TOWNHOMES NEXT TO A CUSTOM HOME EDITION BECAUSE THEM ARE ALL CUSTOM HOMES IN OUR EDITION. AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY'RE AFFORDABLE TOWNHOMES. THEY HADN'T TOLD US THAT PART BECAUSE I ALREADY CHECKED. SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY CONCERN. AND I'M WITH MARK. I LIVE NEXT DOOR. I'VE TAKEN CARE OF THAT EASEMENT FOR 40 YEARS, MOWED IT FOR NORTH TEXAS. I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A GREENBELT IN THERE. I DON'T CARE IF THEY PUT, YOU KNOW, A ALL WEATHER CARPET, BUT I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT A FENCE THAT'S AN IRON FENCE BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A WROUGHT IRON FENCE BECAUSE IT WAS ZONED WHEN IT WAS ZONED, IT WAS ZONED TO PUT NOT A WOODEN FENCE, NOT AN IRON FENCE, BUT A RETAINING WALL OR A CONCRETE RETAINING WALL OR A BRICK WALL. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD. AND 
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I GREW UP IN PLANO AND I MOVED OUT HERE. I MOVED OUT HERE FOR MY SONS. THEY GREW UP HERE. IT'S LIKE MARK SAID, WE USED TO MOW WHERE KIDS COULD WALK ACROSS THAT FIELD. SO YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING TO BUY THE LOT WHEN MERLE YOUNG YEARS AGO. BUT THE FIRST OWNER WANTED HE THOUGHT HE HAD $1 MILLION PROPERTY THERE, YOU KNOW, AND I WAS GOING TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT WAS ZONED LIKE COMMERCIAL. SO I'M TOTALLY AGAINST TOWNHOMES OR, YOU KNOW, PERIOD. SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. Y'ALL GOT TO MAKE THE DECISION. BUT TO YOU GOT TO THINK IN ALL Y'ALL'S MINDS, I'VE BEEN PAYING TAXES HERE FOR 40 YEARS. I'M BORN IN TEXAS IN PLANO IN 1957. I'M GOING TO FIGHT IT WITH PONTIUS. WOULD YOU LIKE IT NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE? THAT'S THE QUESTION. I'LL LEAVE YOU ALL WITH ALL RIGHT. THANKS. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK, SIR? I'LL GO ON FOR. ONE. OKAY. KIM MARTIN 511. RUSTIC CIRCLE. I'M TWO DOORS DOWN FROM GARY. TWO DOORS DOWN FROM MARK. I'M RIGHT ACROSS MY HOUSE. I HAVE THE PERFECT VIEW OF BIRMINGHAM ELEMENTARY, WHICH MEANS IF THESE GO UP, I HAVE NO VIEW OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN TWO STORY TOWNHOMES WITH CARS PARKED OUT FRONT, TRASH BINS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THIS GATE NOW, AS FAR AS THE GATE, THE TRASH, THE CONSTRUCTION, EVERYTHING ELSE. I'M THE NEWBIE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE ONLY LIVED HERE SIX YEARS NOW, AND IN BEING IN WILEY, I MOVED HERE FROM GARLAND TO GET AWAY FROM THAT KIND OF STUFF, WHICH NOW IS AT MY FRONT DOOR. BUT SINCE I'VE BEEN IN WILEY, NO CONSTRUCTION HAS GONE AS PLANNED. NONE. UNLESS Y'ALL CAN TELL ME SOMETHING DIFFERENT. NONE. MY DAUGHTER HAS BEEN IN MULTI-FAMILY RENTALS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. THE LETTER THAT WENT OUT SAID LIKE GARY SAID, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I LOOKED UP WHAT IS CONSIDERED AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN COLLIN COUNTY, 80% OF THE MEDIAN INCOME. THAT'S LOW INCOME. THAT'S NOT THREE, 350 OR $400,000 HOUSES. OURS ISN'T EVEN OURS IS BARELY UP THERE NOW. SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO HELP OUR APPRAISED VALUE. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP GETTING TAXED ON OUR APPRAISED VALUE. AS WILEY RAISES IT, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SELL IT FOR THAT BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE TOWNHOMES, HOWEVER GOOD THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE. WE ALL KNOW THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE BECAUSE NOTHING HAS HAPPENED THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. THAT GATE THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN, IT WILL BE OPEN. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THESE WATER TANKS ARE NEXT TO GARY'S HOUSE. THEY HAVE GONE OFF MAKING THIS GOD AWFUL NOISE THREE TIMES SINCE I'VE LIVED THERE. AND ONE TIME THE CITY OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAME AND TRIED TO EVACUATE ME. AND I SAID, FOR WHAT? AND THEY SAID, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS. HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT THIS IS? SO THEY HAD TO PUT A SIGN ON IT SO THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD KNOW THAT IT'S WATER. SO I FEEL LIKE THE RIGHT HAND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE LEFT HAND IS DOING HERE IN WYLIE. AND I REALLY DON'T FEEL CONFIDENT PUTTING THESE HOUSES HERE THAT I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE EXACTLY HOW THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE. AND I'M SORRY THAT I DON'T HAVE THE CONFIDENCE IN THAT. BUT LIKE I SAID, I'M THE NEWBIE HERE. BUT I GENERALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM SPEAKING MY MIND. SO I WOULD HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS. BUT IF THIS PASSES, I GUARANTEE YOU ALL OF US WILL BE AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FIGHTING THIS AS WELL. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? OKAY, OKAY. WE GOT MORE PEOPLE. OKAY, I TURNED IT OFF. YOU JUST PUSH IT. SO YOU SEE THE RED LIGHT? YEP. THERE WE GO. OKAY, KELLY, DISCUSS 507 RUSTIC CIRCLE. I THINK A NUMBER OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. HAVING TO DO WITH THE GATE AND WHAT HAVE YOU. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHAT I PAID FOR MY HOUSE IN 1989, WHICH WAS 
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A FORECLOSURE THAT WAS THREE YEARS OLD, WAS WAY, WAY LESS THAN WHAT WE'RE BEING TAXED AT NOW. BUT I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS, AND MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, DO YOU WANT TO SEE A NEIGHBORHOOD AND A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO KNOW EACH OTHER? WHEN I GOT THIS NOTIFICATION IN THE MAIL, I WENT DOOR TO DOOR DOWN EVERY SINGLE HOUSE ON OUR CUL DE SAC, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T JUST AFFECT US. WE WERE THE LAST ONES. AT 507. I WENT TO 505, 503, 501, 500. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE HOUSES, AND NOBODY KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. BUT THEY ARE ALL IMPACTED BY THIS CHANGE. SO ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE IMPACTED WILL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON? HOW CAN YOU ENSURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY STAYS THE SAME? WE HAVE RENTALS IN OUR AREA. WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE WE ARE APPROACHING RETIREMENT AGE AND AFFORDABLE IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE INTERESTING TO US. BUT I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND. AND I THINK THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT HOW HE'S THE THIRD BROKER AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO SELL THIS, AND THEY CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENT AND BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TRAFFIC. AND YOU COMPARE IT TO 544 AND 78. THIS IS NOT 544 AND 78. THIS IS A NOW FOUR LANE ROAD AND A NEIGHBORHOOD AND A COMMUNITY ACROSS THE STREET FROM AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THE THIRD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BUILT IN WYLIE. SO HOW CAN YOU JUSTIFY ADDING THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC? 12 HOMES, TWO CARS PER HOME, MAYBE IN A THIRD ONE, THAT TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT ONCE OR TWICE A DAY DURING A SCHOOL ZONE. THERE'S A LITTLE BLINKING LIGHT RIGHT NOW WHERE THAT ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE OFF BROWN. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ADDRESS TRAFFIC CONCERNS WHEN IT'S A FARM TO MARKET ROAD ON BROWN, WHEN YOU'VE GOT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS WHO ARE RUNNING ACROSS THAT STREET ALL THE TIME, YOU'VE GOT KIDS FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD GOING TO DAVIS AND TO MCMILLEN, KIDS RIDING THEIR BICYCLE. THERE'S A PARK RIGHT BEHIND THE SCHOOL. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT INCREASE TRAFFIC? HAS A TRAFFIC SURVEY BEEN DONE? I HEARD ABOUT A TRAFFIC SURVEY. A SECOND AGO. DO WE HAVE A TRAFFIC SURVEY? DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO TO BROWN? OKAY, NO, I THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA. WE NEED TO DO SOME WORK. THANK YOU. OH, YEAH. 
          I CAN ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC SURVE. YOU ALL MAY DISAGREE WITH ME FUNDAMENTALLY ON THIS, BUT I WILL JUST SAY THAT THE GENERAL RULE IS THAT UNLESS IT'S A COMMERCIAL, A HIGH DENSITY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THAT HAS 100 OR MORE SINGLE FAMILY OR 100 OR MORE UNITS, A TIA IS GENERALLY NOT DONE. DOES ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION? COME ON UP, SIR. ALL. RIGHT. WITH THAT. OKA. 
          OH, TURN IT OFF. PRESS IT AGAIN. THERE YOU GO. NOW IT WAS ON. OKAY. MY NAME IS LELAND EKBLAD. 
          I'M AT 509 RUSTIC CIRCLE, AND I AM RETIRED IN THE HOUSE THAT I WANTED TO RETIRE IN. WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 32 PLUS YEARS. I'VE BEEN RETIRED FOR 14 OR 10 YEARS NOW. THAT IS MY RETIREMENT HOME. 
          THAT'S MY INVESTMENT FOR MY KID. OKAY. WE START PUTTING AND I'M SORRY, TOWNHOUSES UP IN A RESIDENTIAL AND I CALL THAT AREA IS STILL A RESIDENTIAL AREA WITH HOMES WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT HAS RAISED KIDS AND SET THE KIDS TO SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING ELSE PUT THERE THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE KIDS IN THE AREA. SOME KIDS CAN'T RUN 
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ACROSS THE STREET TO THE PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BROWN STREET. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE IS NOTHING ON OUR SIDE OF BROWN STREET FOR ANY OF THE KIDS. IN ALL OF RUSTIC TRAILS, RUSTIC CIRCLE, RUSTIC PLACE TO GO TO ANY PARK TO DO OR PLAY OR HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH. IT COULD BE DONE. AND I KNOW YEARS AGO SOMEBODY WANTED TO ASK TO MAYBE MAKE THAT A PARK, MAKE IT A CITY PARK, PUT SOME STUFF FOR THE KIDS IN THERE. DON'T JUST THINK OF BUILD, BUILD, BUILD. WHY NOT THINK OF THE KIDS AS FUTURE? ALSO AND EVERYBODY ELSE'S FUTURE? THE BOTTOM LINE DOESN'T COUNT WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING SOMETHING EASIER FOR THE KIDS THAN PLAYING IN THE STREETS, PLAYING BASKETBALL, OR TRYING TO PUT A HOOP UP AND FALLING ON THE CONCRETE. I'VE SEEN THAT ON RUSTIC TRAILS, SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, LET'S PUT SOMETHING THERE FOR THE MASSES OR FOR THE KIDS, EVEN FOR ADULTS TO GO. EVEN LITTLE OLD ME RETIRED ME COULD WALK OVER THERE AND MAYBE SIT IN A PARK AND ENJOY A PARK. AND THAT'S THAT'S ALL I'D LIKE TO SAY. PLEASE THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU PULL THIS. YOU CAN BUILD THESE DOWN WEST. WHERE THERE ARE BUILDING TOWNHOUSES. THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM. OTHER PLACES FOR TOWNHOUSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN. DO YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW MORE THINGS? YES. YEAH. JUST. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT THERE. OH, SORRY. YEAH, THE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT ARE NOT THERE TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S NOT WHAT THEIR INTENTION IS. AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE IDEA OF THESE ARE NOT GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED, AFFORDABLE RENTAL AT ALL. THESE ARE THESE ARE THESE ARE NICE QUALITY TOWNHOMES IN A PRICE RANGE. THAT'S PROBABLY AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ASSESSED VALUE I THINK OF THE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK MANY OF THE ASSESSED VALUES ARE 3 TO $400,000 ON THE TAX ROLLS OF THE HOUSES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THESE WOULD BE EQUAL OR GREATER TO THAT. SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANYTHING LIKE THAT WOULD NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THEM. THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION OF THE DEVELOPER. THEY WANT TO BE A FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR. THEY WANT TO MAKE THIS THING WORK AND HAVE A NICE DEVELOPMENT. THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS BY RIGHT, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT COULD BE PUT THERE. AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THAT CAN BE IMPACTED, SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS. I THINK UNFORTUNATELY MIGHT BE EVEN WORSE IN THAT ALTERNATIVE. 
          THAT'S WHY I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS A NICE, QUIETER. AND YES, I THINK SURE, THEY'RE PROBABLY RIGHT ON SOME OF THE TRAFFIC THE KIDS CROSSING STREETS, THINGS LIKE THAT. THOSE ARE CONCERNS. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN. IN ANY CASE, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE HIGHER TRAFFIC BECAUSE YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE NOISE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE LIGHTING, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO JUST THINGS TO CONSIDER. ONE ALTERNATIVE VERSUS THE OTHER. 
          COMMUNITY PARKS A NICE IDEA, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY IS READY TO STEP UP AND BUY THAT PROPERTY. I THINK THE PROPERTY WE'RE SITTING ON IS TWO 300 ACRES OF COMMUNITY AVAILABLE PARKLAND AND, AND FACILITIES AND THINGS JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY. SO A LOT OF THINGS I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S HERE TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THEY WANT TO, AS I SAY, BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND WOULD LIKE TO GO FORWARD. AND SURE, THE PLAN PROBABLY NEEDS A LITTLE TWEAKING HERE AND THERE, BUT I THINK THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED. AND WITH INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND EVERYBODY TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT WORKS, TRY NOT TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT PEOPLE'S VIEW OF NEGATIVE THINGS, OF WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. I THINK ALL THOSE THINGS WITH EVERYBODY'S INPUT COULD PROBABLY BE ALLEVIATED AND FIGURED OUT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. I THINK COMMISSIONER SCRUGGS HAD A GOOD POINT. KIND OF CONCERNING ABOUT THE TRASH PICKUP. IT'S NOT REALLY A TURNAROUND. AND OBVIOUSLY, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S MORE OF NOT APPROVING A SITE PLAN. WE'RE BUT THIS IS WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US. AND SO THAT'S WHY I HAVE TO KIND OF ENVISION THE OTHER THING THAT KIND OF CONCERNS ME. I KNOW THERE'S ONLY. 12 OF THESE 
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TOWNHOMES, BUT IF YOU LOOK ON GOOGLE EARTH, THERE'S A CROSSING. I CAN'T PULL IT UP, BUT YOU CAN TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. THERE'S A CROSSING THAT GOES RIGHT OVER TO THAT PROPERTY. SO I KNOW WHEN THE NEIGHBORS ARE TALKING ABOUT KIDS CROSSING THERE, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY LINES FOR I'M ASSUMING THERE'S A CROSSING GUARD THERE. AND IT'S KIND OF CARS GOING OUT DIRECTLY TO IT KIND OF MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS. BUT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ANYTHING? OKAY. I HAVE. I GOT ONE QUESTION AND THIS STEMS FROM SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS MADE THAT THERE ARE STILL SOME TANKS THAT NORTH TEXAS WATER HAS ON THERE IS THE WAY THIS PROPERTY IS BEING PRESENTED GOING TO BE COMPLETELY FENCED IN. SO THE ONLY ACCESS TO IT WOULD BE THROUGH THE FRONT STREET OR THE EMERGENCY GATE. IF THEY HAVE TO DO ANY SERVICING OR WHATNOT. NO, THE FENCING WOULD, THERE WOULD BE NO FENCING REQUIRED FOR LIKE PEDESTRIAN LIKE TO STILL CROSS INTO THAT EASEMENT DUE TO THE FACT THAT WHERE IT'S LOCATED, THERE WILL BE A WALL OR A FENCE THAT'S REQUIRED ON BROWN, BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT'S OVER 80, I THINK IT'S 80FT OF RIGHT OF WAY, HAS TO HAVE SOME KIND OF DIVIDER. OKAY. BUT BEING THAT IT'S BACKED UP TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED. OKAY. 
          OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF APPLICANT? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          I MOVE WE ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS IDENTIFIED IN THE WRITE-UP PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT AND DISAPPROVE THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. YES. YEAH, YEAH. JUST TO BE CLEAR, IF YOU VOTE YES, YOU'RE VOTING YES TO RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL OR WHAT? DID YOU VOTE? YES. IF YOU VOTE YES, YOU'RE VOTING YES TO RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL. YES YES YES EXACTLY. SOMETIMES THAT CAN GET A LITTLE CONFUSING. GLAD I ASKED. OKAY. AND THAT WAS DISAPPROVED 6 TO 0. SO FOR THE AUDIENCE WHO YOU DON'T DO THIS EVERY DAY. THIS STILL GOES TO COUNCIL FOR A FINAL VOTE BECAUSE PNC IS RECOMMENDING DISAPPROVAL. IT WILL REQUIRE A SUPERMAJORITY OF COUNCIL TO OVERTURN PNC. SO IF YOU STILL HAVE CONCERNS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO BE AT THAT MEETING. 
          ALSO. OKAY. I THINK THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA OTHER THAN ANNOUNCEMENTS. KEVIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A MEETING. WE HAVE, WE HAVE WE'RE SKIPPING A MEETING AND THEN IT'LL BE THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER. YES. YEAH. SO OCTOBER IS A FIVE TUESDAY. SO WE WERE GETTING A WEEK EXTRA ANYWAY. AND THEN THAT FIRST TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ITEMS, BUT WE WILL HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS ON THE 19TH. ON THE 19TH. YES, SIR. OKAY. 
          OTHER THAN THAT I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SAY MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION I SECOND THE MOTION SECOND. WE'RE ADJOURNED
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.