[Historic Review Commission on September 26, 2024.] [00:00:05] AT THIS TIME. WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2024. TIME IS 6:00. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. WE ARE EMPTY IN THE GALLERY. ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. OKAY WE'LL MOVE ON. WE'LL MOVE TO THE. THERE'S NO PRESENTATIONS. WE'LL GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM A CONSIDER AND ACT UPON APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM AUGUST 22ND, 2020 FOR HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING. AS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE MEETINGS. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, AMENDMENTS? OKAY, IF NOT, I'LL. I HAVE A I HAVE A COMMENT THAT WAS THE WORLD'S FASTEST MEETING, ENDING AT 6:09 P.M, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. IF YOU'LL CAST YOUR VOTE. OH ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSED FIVE ZERO. WHO ARE WE MISSING TONIGHT? GABBY CHRISTIAN. CHRISTIE. OKAY. WE'LL GO INTO THE WORK SESSION. WORK SESSION ONE. HOLD THE WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 6.3 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. RENE. I'M SO SORRY, MY SCREEN WENT DOWN TOO FAR, THE REGULAR AGENDA. SORRY. ITEM ONE. CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE MEETING. START TIME OF THE HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION FROM 6:00 TO 630. RENE YES. SO AT THE REQUEST OF TWO OF THE MEMBERS. AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE MY REPORT OR ANYTHING IN FRONT OF ME. IT WAS ASKED TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS. I WILL START OR DO YOU WANT? YEAH, BECAUSE I'M ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO REQUESTED IT. SO I WORK IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS, AND IT'S A STRUGGLE FOR ME TO GET HERE. AFTER READING THIS, I FEEL THAT THE ONE THING THAT CONCERNS ME, THOUGH, IS BECAUSE THERE WAS AN INSTANCE LAST YEAR WHERE I WAS THE FOURTH PERSON TO BE A QUORUM, AND THEN I COULDN'T MAKE IT ON TIME, AND THEN WE HAD TO CANCEL LAST MINUTE AND SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS, LET'S SAY I AM TEN MINUTES LATE BECAUSE I TAKE THE TRAINS, AND SOMETIMES I LITERALLY CANNOT CONTROL IT. COULD WE START LATE OR DOES THAT HAVE TO BE CANCELED? NO IF LIKE, SAY THAT HAPPENS, YOU'RE IN ROUTE WHERE WE'RE ALL SITTING HERE AT 6:00. AT 605, YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, I'M STILL FIVE, TEN MINUTES OUT. CAN YOU HOLD THE MEETING? YES, WE CAN DO THAT, BUT I DON'T. I WOULD HATE FOR THAT TO BE A PATTERN. AND JUST FOR THE SAKE OF STAFF, I WOULD HATE TO MOVE IT TO 630 WHEN EIGHT OUT OF THE TEN MEETINGS THAT WE MAY HAVE IN THE YEAR, EVERYBODY IS ABLE TO BE HERE AT SIX. BUT NOW, LIKE IF YOU CALL AND SAY, HEY, I'M ON MY WAY, BUT IT MAY BE 620, IF IT'S THE WILL OR IF WE HAVE A LOT OF CITIZENS HERE, OR APPLICANTS WILL PROBABLY CONTINUE ON THE MEETING, WE'LL JUST FILL YOU IN. YEAH. I THINK MY CONCERN IS REALLY JUST IF I HAVE TO BE THE QUORUM, LIKE, I GET IT, Y'ALL GOT TO MOVE ON AND GO ON WITH THE MEETING. I'M NOT TRYING TO STOP THE MEETING. I JUST DON'T WANT FOR EVERYBODY TO ANTICIPATE THERE BE A MEETING, AND THEN I CAN'T MAKE IT ON TIME IS REALLY MY OPINION WOULD BE IF WE'RE IN THAT SITUATION, WE HAVE APPLICANTS HERE THAT KNOWING IF WE CANCEL THE MEETING BECAUSE OF LACK OF QUORUM, KNOWING YOU OR THAT FOURTH PERSON IS ON THEIR WAY, WE WOULD STAY HERE AS LONG AS WE COULD POSSIBLY STAY. NOW ARE WE GOING TO STAY TILL EIGHT? WE'RE JUST GOING TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, BUT NO, WE WOULD, WE WOULD IF WE'RE JUST HAVING A DISCUSSION AMONG OURSELVES, I WOULD TEND TO SAY WE'LL JUST DO IT NEXT MONTH OR THE MONTH AFTE, BUT IT WOULD BE THE CHAIRMAN, WHOEVER'S IN THAT SPOT. WELL LET'S WAIT OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. BUT YEAH, THAT CAN HAPPEN. ON AVERAGE, HOW OFTEN DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE TRAIN PUTS YOU IN THAT POSITION, THOUGH? DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S KIND OF A NO. I MEAN, IT WAS REALLY IT'S BEEN [00:05:03] THAT ONE TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD LIKE THREE YEARS. YEAH SO BUT IF IT'S EASIER FOR EVERYBODY ELSE TO BE AT SIX, THEN I DON'T WANT TO BE. YEAH, I, WE CAN KEEP IT AT SIX. I'M NOT TRYING TO LIKE MAKE IT HARD FOR ANYBODY FOR A QUORUM. IS IT. IS IT FOUR. YES. OKAY. EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO BE DONE. NOBODY ELSE. TAKE THE TRAIN. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT IT? COMMENTS. SO JUST FROM A PROCEDURE PERSPECTIVE, IF THIS IS NO LONGER OPEN FOR CONSIDERATION, DO WE JUST STRIKE IT OR DO WE VOTE? I MEAN, WE CAN EITHER TAKE NO ACTION OR YOU COULD TAKE A VOTE. OKAY I MEAN, I'M NO, NO ACTION. IT WOULD JUST FAIL. AND WE'RE STILL AT 6:00. I MEAN, I, I LIVE RELATIVELY CLOSE. I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES GETTING HERE AT SIX. AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY UNDUE BURDEN ON THE STAFF TO HAVE OVERTIME AS A RESULT OF MEETINGS THAT IF WE WERE MORE CONSISTENT, WE WERE LIKE ONE OF THE OTHER BOARDS THAT HAVE MEETINGS ON SCHEDULE 2 OR 3, WHATEVER. BUT SINCE OURS ARE KIND OF ARBITRARY BASED ON THE NEED, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE SHIFT FOR US TO MOVE TO 630. BUT THAT'S JUST ME, I UNDERSTAND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. SO DO YOU WANT TO TAKE NO ACTION? YEAH. I MEAN, NO ACTION IS FINE WITH ME. LET ME JUST LEAVE IT. YES, THAT'S GOOD, BUT. WELL, YOU YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO ASK FOR A VOTE. AND THERE'S. OR I GUESS YOU COULD JUST LEAVE IT AS. BUT, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DO WANT TO SAY, AND I WILL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD HAS A WAY TO CONTACT US BY EMAIL. AND I WILL GIVE YOU MY CELL NUMBER, BECAUSE I KNOW IF WE'RE SITTING HERE IN THE MEETING WAITING FOR YOU AND YOU SHOOT ME AN EMAIL, WE MAY NOT LOOK AT THAT EMAIL, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CALL US OR SEND A TEXT OR SOMETHING, I'M MORE LIKELY TO SEE MY PHONE LIGHT UP FROM A TEXT THAN I AM FROM AN EMAIL. SO THAT WAY YOU CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE KNOWING THAT YOU'VE LET SOMEBODY KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT, OR YOU'RE NOT. OKAY, SO LET'S LET'S DO THIS, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO DENY AFTER DISCUSSION. I'LL SET. I NEED A SECOND. YES, YES. I'LL SECOND. OKAY CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIED, 5 TO 0. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE CAN GO INTO WORK SESSION. WORK SESSION ONE. HOLD. HOLD A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 6.3 OF THE ZONING ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE. HOW MANY TIMES IN THE LAST THREE YEARS? YEAH BEFORE WE GET STARTED AT THE BEGINNING OF IT IN YOUR PACKET, DO YOU ALL HAVE A SECTION SEVEN SECURITY HARDWARE? THAT YES. SO SHOULD BE LIKE THE LAST PAGE. NO OKAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE IT SHOWS ON ON MY. AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN WHEN I SUBMITTED IT TO GABBY, THE CORRECTIONS DIDN'T TRANSLATE OVER INTO WORD OUT OF GOOGLE DOCS. I'M NOT SURE. IT'S NOT EVEN ON THIS. OKAY, WAIT, WAIT. GO RENEE. OKAY, LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET IT PRINTED OUT WHILE YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT THE OKAY, OKAY. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE IN THE REPORT I DO SAY SECTION THREE. AND THEN I CALL OUT ADDING SECTION SEVEN. SO WE'RE NOT VIOLATING ANY OPEN MEETINGS ACT OR ANYTHING. SO AS CHAIRMAN STONE SAID, FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, SO ALL OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY HAD HAVE INCORPORATED ALL THOSE CHANGES IN HERE, THERE ARE A FEW HIGHLIGHTS THROUGHOUT. IF YOU LOOK AT AND I MAY JUMP AROUND. SO IF THERE'S A SECTION THAT I SKIP OVER THAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, JUST FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN. BUT SECTION UNDER SIGNS SECTION, THIS NO NO. NUMBER SIX SIX. NUMBER 66H SPECIAL EVENT BANNERS. I HAD TALKED WITH SANDRA ABOUT THIS, AND WE WANTED TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH, I DON'T KNOW, PLACEMENT QUANTITY OR THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S [00:10:03] HIGHLIGHTED, FOR US SO I CAN GET INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION AND IT'S H RIGHT? YES. H SPECIAL EVENTS 25. ONE OF MY CONCERNS, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN Y'ALL GO DOWNTOWN AND KIND OF LOOK AROUND, BUT WE HAVE SUCH A SMALL SPACE ON THE SIDEWALKS WHEN SHOPS START PUTTING UP ALL THESE SIGNS, I MEAN, THEY HAVE THEIR SIGN UP FRONT, THEN THEY HAVE THESE BIG OLD, LIKE, LONG, I CALL THEM LIKE, BANANA SIGNS THAT BIG OLD, LONG THINGS STAND UP. IT BLOCKS THE WHOLE FRONT OF THE SHOP ITSELF. SO YOU CAN'T. THERE WAS A COUPLE UP THE OTHER DAY AND IT WAS BLOCKING THE SHOP NEXT DOOR. YOU COULDN'T EVEN SEE THE FRONT OF THE SHOP NEXT DOOR, BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY OF THEM, SO AND I HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE COME AND KNOCK ON MY DOOR KNOWING I WAS ON THE HRC, GOING, I DON'T LIKE THIS. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS? I'M SURE. SO I ASKED RENE IF WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT, JUST TO SEE WHAT WE THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO DO. AS FAR AS YOU HAVE SIGNS UP, YOU HAVE JUST REGULAR BUSINESS SIGNS UP. YOU HAVE SPECIAL SIGNS UP, YOU HAVE RACKS OF CLOTHES OUT FRONT. YOU HAVE ALL KINDS OF THINGS. AND I THINK WE JUST DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR ALL THAT STUFF. AND I DON'T WANT ONE BUSINESS IMPEDING IN ON ANOTHER BUSINESS, BECAUSE THEN THAT BUSINESS WOULDN'T LIKE IT IF VICE VERSA. SO I WANTED TO GET Y'ALL'S COMMENTS ON IT. I GUESS WE CAN TALK. RENE ABOUT WHAT'S ALLOWED NOW. I MEAN, WHAT IS ALLOWED AND WHAT DO WE KIND OF HONE IN ON OR REIN IN? SO NOW WE'RE JUST TALKING LIKE THE NUMBER OF SIGNS OR PLACEMENT, NOT THE CONTENT, BECAUSE WE REALLY CAN'T CONTROL CONTENT VERY MUCH. BUT IN THIS SPECIAL EVENT, WELL, THIS WHOLE SECTION TALKS ABOUT SIGNS. SO YOU HAVE A-FRAMES, YOU HAVE AWNING SIGNS, SPECIAL EVENT SIGNS, WHICH IS WE EVEN GOT A FEW CALLS FROM, A FEW FOLKS THAT WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIAL EVENT SIGNS THAT WERE DOWNTOWN. FOR THE VAPE SHOP. JASON DID GO AND ACTIVELY WALKED INTO THAT BUSINESS AND TALKED TO THEM. THEY PUT UP A FEW SIGNS THAT WERE NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE. THEY DIDN'T HAVE PERMITS, BUT THEY DID COME IN, FILL OUT THE PERMITS. SO THE SPECIAL EVENTS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE GRAND OPENING SIGNS. THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS THEM, I BELIEVE, TWO TIMES PER YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. JASON CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THAT PART OF IT IS IN THE REGULAR SIGN ORDINANCE, NOT ALL JUST SPELLED OUT HERE. SO THEY HAVE THOSE SPECIAL EVENT SIGNS. YOU KNOW, IF I DON'T KNOW, SAY THE VAPE SHOP OR THEIR GRAND OPENING OR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, THEY WANT TO DO AN OCTOBER FEST VAPE. VAPE. I'M MAKING THINGS UP, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE A DESIGNATED LENGTH OF TIME THAT THEY COULD PUT THOSE SIGNS UP WITH A PERMIT, WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING WITH OUR CODE OFFICERS TO GO DOWNTOWN AND JUST LOOK AT EVERYTHING FROM SIGNS TO, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, TO CHAIRS TO TABLES, EVERYTHING THAT'S PLACED THERE, OUR ADA COORDINATOR ALSO WENT OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A CLEAR I WANT TO SAY IT'S 36IN OF CLEAR SPACE THAT'S REQUIRED BY ADA. THAT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED. SO A LOT OF THAT WILL BE CORRECTED ON JUST THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SIDE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS WE NEED TO PROBABLY REWRITE A COUPLE OF THINGS IN OUR ORDINANCE, BECAUSE ALL OF THAT SIDEWALK ON BALLARD IS ACTUALLY PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. IT IT'S NOT THE SHOP STOP AT THE FACE OF THEIR WALLS. SO OUR THE WAY OUR ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, YOU CAN'T PLACE ANYTHING ON PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. WELL, THIS IS DOWNTOWN. SO WE DO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE, WHICH IS KIND OF WHERE WE ARE NOW BECAUSE THAT FLEXIBILITY WAS GIVEN YEARS AGO. AND JUST LIKE WITH EVERYTHING, IF YOU GIVE TOO MUCH FLEXIBILITY, PEOPLE, SO WHAT WE LOOKED AT BECAUSE I'M NOT SO SURE THAT IT'S THAT THEY PUT A SIGN OUT, IT'S THAT, OKAY, HERE'S MY GRAND OPENING SIGN. THEN I GOT A SANDWICH SIGN, A SIGN, AND THEN I'VE GOT THIS SPECIAL BECAUSE I'M DOING TWO FOR ONE. AND SO THEN YOU HAVE SO MANY, SO COULD ARE WE ABLE TO SAY ONE SIGN AT A TIME KIND OF THING, OR YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT THIS MUCH SPACE IN FRONT OF YOUR SHOP AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT IS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO WE'RE KIND OF GIVING YOU SOMETHING ALREADY TO LET YOU PUT ONE SIGN OUT AT A TIME AND THEN SAY, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE SIGN TO SOMETHING ELSE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, [00:15:07] THAT'S FINE. BUT ONE AT A TIME KIND OF THING. SO OR A NUMBER OF YES, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY NARROW IT DOWN TO A QUANTITY OR MAYBE A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SANDWICH SIGN HAS TO BE SO MANY INCHES OR FEET AWAY FROM A PROMOTIONAL SIGN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT WOULD KIND OF NARROW DOWN THE NUMBER. BUT AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS IS GOING TO BE CODE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE. YEAH. AND I SEE PEOPLE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T ABIDE BY THESE RULES AND DON'T KNOW THE RULES AND TO ASK FOR PERMISSION. YEAH. SO A LOT OF IT WILL. AND I THINK ONCE WE READ THROUGH THE ORDINANCE, A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE IS THERE. IT'S JUST ENFORCING IT THAT LIKE YOU SAID, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ASK FOR IT REALLY. NOT STRICTLY ENFORCED, RIGHT? I MEAN, JUST IF THEY HAPHAZARDLY SEE IT AND FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE THE TIME TO. YEAH, YEAH, DO THE WHOLE THING. SO WHAT HAVE WE I MEAN, I, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF LIMITING ONE SIGN AT A TIME. AGAIN, HOW MUCH SPACE DO THEY HAVE BETWEEN THIS SHOP AND THIS SHOP? IT'S ALL PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. I THINK IF YOU DON'T PUT A NUMBER ON IT, THEY THEY WILL GO AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET OUT THERE AND MEASURE. OKAY. MY SANDWICH SIGN IS THIS MANY FEET FROM THIS SIGN. AND IT'S REALLY EASY TO COUNT. YEAH BUT I THINK FIRST WE AS STAFF NEED TO LOOK AT HOW HOW ARE WE GOING TO CONTROL THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T SET SOME DESIGNATIONS, THERE, I CAN TELL YOU, IF YOU OWN A SHOP, I CAN TELL YOU YOU CAN ONLY PUT TWO SIGNS, BUT ALL OF THAT'S PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. WELL, NOW YOU PUT YOUR TWO SIGNS IN FRONT OF YOUR SPACE, BUT THEN YOU PUT A THIRD ONE IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S SPACE. OH, NO. YEAH, I WOULDN'T THINK YOU COULD PUT ONE IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S SPACE. WHY COULDN'T YOU? BECAUSE IT'S NOT THEIR SPACE. THAT'S PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO WE NEED WE NEED TO BETTER DEFINE PUBLIC BALLOT STREET BECAUSE IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY LIKE ANY OTHER NORMAL STREET. SO WE JUST NEED TO CLEAN THAT UP. AND WE HAVE I MEAN, HONESTLY, I THINK WE STARTED WORK ON THAT ON THAT PRE-COVID AND IT JUST GOT PUSHED ASIDE. AND I'LL TAKE THE BLAME BECAUSE I WAS WRITING IT. AND WHAT IS THAT? I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT AGAIN. WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR THAT. SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND LIKE STAFF DOES IT STAFF WILL WORK ON IT AND, WE'LL HAVE TO PUT SOME BECAUSE NOW I THINK MOST OF THAT LANGUAGE IS IN JUST THE REGULAR ZONING ORDINANCE. WE NEED TO PUT SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC ORDINANCE. SO THAT WAY IF THERE'S ANY DISCREPANCIES OR ANY VIOLATIONS OR VARIANCES, EVEN THAT'S REQUESTED, IT WOULD COME THROUGH YOU ALL. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DRAFT IT, COME TO YOU FOR, A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN GO TO P AND Z AND ULTIMATELY COUNCIL. SO IT WILL BE IT WOULD BE PART OF THIS WHOLE 6.3. AND DON'T YOU THINK? I MEAN NOW MOVING FORWARD IS A GOOD TIME TO DO IT, BUT. OH YES. AND HAVE IT IN PLACE BEFORE THE NEW DOWNTOWN. OH EMERGES BECAUSE YES, I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BIGGER SIDEWALKS AND ALL THESE THINGS. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE SOME RESTRAINT BEFORE THE BIGGER SIDEWALKS COME UP, THEN WE COULD HAVE ALL THOSE FILLED WITH STUF. YES, I DO AGREE. OKAY SO I MEAN, I'M I THINK IT'S GREAT JUST TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS? I MEAN, HAVE YOU SEEN ANYTHING DOWN THERE YOURSELF THAT CAUSES YOU TO BE CONCERNED. JUST ONE QUESTION. I'M LOOKING AT THIS THING. IT SAYS MAXIMUM BANNER SIZE ALLOWED IS FOUR BY 36FT. THAT'S AN THAT'S AN H5 H V. WE HAVE FIVE. MAXIMUM BANNER SIZE ALLOWED IS FOUR BY 30 OH 36FT. THAT'S A LONG BANNER. WELL, UNLESS EXTENDED OVER THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. RIGHT. BUT YES. YEAH. OKAY AND WE CAN EVEN LOOK AT THAT TO, IN THE REGULAR SIGN ORDINANCE. I THINK IT'S BASED ON JUST THE LINEAR FEET OF THE BUILDING FRONT. SO RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, GIVING A MAX AT FOUR BY 36, IT COULD BE HOW IS IT WRITTEN IN THE ORDINANCE, JASON? LIKE ONE AND A HALF. IT'S ONE. YOU'RE ALLOWED TWO SQUARE FEET FOR EVERY LINEAR FOOT. OKAY [00:20:01] SO IT'S SO IF YOU'VE GOT 18, IF YOU'RE IF YOUR FRONTAGE IS 18FT, THEN YOU GOT 36FTâ– !S, THAT IS YU CAN HAVE UP TO THE WIDTH OF YOUR SHOP. OKAY I GOT IT. 36FT SEEMS LIKE A LOT A LONG BANNER. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. SO RENEE WILL JUST GIVE US AN UPDATE AS HOW KIND OF HOW IT'S GOING AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR US GOING FORWARD. IS THERE SOME GOOD VERBIAGE TO USE FOR PEOPLE THAT COME KNOCK ON MY DOOR? I'M WORKING ON IT. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. WE HEARD YOU. ALL RIGHT, LET'S SEE. WELL, WE HAD LET ME GET BACK HERE. JASON, ARE ARE YOU WORKING ON A FULL AMENDMENT OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE? OKAY SO WE'LL COLLABORATE WITH THAT TOGETHER AND WHATEVER IN THE MAIN SIGN ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT JUST FOR THE DOWNTOWN. HISTORIC WILL INCLUDE IT IN THAT 6.3. YEAH IF EVERYTHING GOES ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY IN THE STARS ALIGN EXACTLY. IT'LL GO TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. BUT I WOULDN'T HOLD MY BREATH ON THAT. BUT I'LL DEFINITELY GET IT TO THE ONE AFTER THAT. OKAY. SO IT'LL BE THE SECOND MEETING IN OCTOBER AT THE AT THE LATEST. OKAY. SO I'M PRETTY FAR ALONG WITH IT. IT'S JUST I THINK IT'S 28 PAGES OF A SIGN ORDINANCE. YEAH. THE SIGN ORDINANCE IS LIKE 28 PAGES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND IT'S A COMPLETE REWRITE DUE TO, SUPREME COURT. DECISIONS SO THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES OR TEXAS. YES WAIT, WHICH ONE OF THOSE? BOTH OF THEM, ACTUALLY. BUT YEAH, THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES IS THE MAIN ONE THEY'RE WEIGHING IN ON. IT'S BASICALLY THE LONGEST THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT IS WITHOUT GETTING INTO IT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. IT'S, CONTENT CANNOT BE REGULATED. AND SO EVERYTHING WE HAVE, IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SIGN TO FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF SIGN IT IS, OR READ THE SIGN TO FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF SIGN IT IS, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. SO LUCKILY, I'VE GOT PLENTY OF OTHER, MODELS TO GO OFF OF, BUT IT'S SO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. IT'S A COMPLETE REWRITE, SO IT'S JUST TAKEN ME SOME TIME, BUT WE'RE ALMOST THERE. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS. WE'LL COME OUT OF THE WORK SESSION. NO, NO, NO. OH SORRY. JUST THAT PART. WE'RE JUST DONE WITH THAT PART. PART. OH I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD MORE. SORRY THE OTHER ONE IS. OH, THAT'S THIS. THIS IS WHAT WE JUST DID HERE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE JUST DID THIS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. PREVIOUS MEETINGS, WE TALKED ABOUT PAINT, SO I HAVE THAT HIGHLIGHTED, UNDER BUILDING MATERIALS. WE'LL GET TO IT. OH, SO THIS WAS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, ROUTINE MAINTENANCE AND WHAT'S APPROVAL AT STAFF LEVEL OR WHAT REQUIRES HRC APPROVAL. SO THE WAY THAT IT'S THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN NOW, AND I'M READING SECTION C. 3C3D UNDER COMMON, COMMON ROUTINE MAINTENANCE. SO APPLICATION OF PAINT THAT IS THE SAME COLOR AS THE EXISTING OR THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE DOMINANT TRIM OR ACCENT COLOR AND PART OF A HISTORIC COLOR PALETTE IS JUST COMMON ROUTINE MAINTENANCE THAT IS APPROVED AT STAFF LEVEL SHALL FIND THAT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT PAGE 11, PAGE 11. SO THROUGHOUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY SAY YOU HAVE TO USE A CERTAIN COLOR PALETTE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE REFERENCE VALSPAR OR SHERWIN-WILLIAMS, BUT IT JUST SAYS OR ANY HISTORIC COLOR PALETTE. SO THIS IS HOW IT'S WRITTEN. NOW, IF SOMEONE COMES IN, THEY WANT TO PAINT THEIR BUILDING AND THEY'VE GIVEN US A PRODUCT NUMBER, YOU KNOW, FROM A HISTORIC PALETTE THAT'S GOING TO BE AT STAFF LEVEL, IT'S NOT GOING TO COME TO THE BOARD. AND I JUST NEED DIRECTION. IF Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH THAT BEING THERE, STAYING LIKE THAT. YOU MEAN VERSUS ALL THE PAINT DECISIONS COME TO US? HAVE WE EVER TALKED [00:25:13] ABOUT BEING ABLE TO NAME 3 OR 4 PALETTES INSTEAD OF SAYING BASICALLY ANY HISTORIC PALETTE YOU CAN FIND? YES WE AND WHAT WERE THE I MEAN, NO, WE DIDN'T COME UP WITH FOUR, BUT, AT ONE POINT I THINK IT WAS ONLY JUST SHARON WILLIAMS. AND THEN OUR THOUGHT WAS, WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO CATER TO JUST ONE COMPANY, RIGHT. AND AT THE TIME I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YEAR WE PUT IT IN THERE. SHARON WILLIAMS AND VALSPAR WERE JUST THE HOTTEST TWO AROUND HERE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE PUT, I WOULD ALMOST BE MORE INCLINED TO NOT PUT ANY COMPANY NAME AND JUST SAY A HISTORIC PALETTE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE PUT FOUR, THEN WHY NOT FIVE? YEAH, I'M NOT. YEAH. I'M NOT I DIDN'T I WASN'T RECOMMENDING A CERTAIN NUMBER, JUST. SOMETHING MORE CONFINED AND THEN EVERYTHING IN THE ROOM. BUT IF IT'S ON A HISTORIC PALETTE, THERE'S A REASON FOR IT BEING ON A HISTORIC PALETTE. SO. AND THAT'S THE THING. AND WITH THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE, BECAUSE LITERALLY YOU CAN GO PULL A HISTORIC PALETTE AND FIND EVERY SINGLE COLOR ON THERE. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? PROBABLY NOT. BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. IF IT IS DESIGNATED AS A HISTORIC PALETTE. AND WHAT WE DO IF WHEN SOMEONE SUBMITS SOMETHING, THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT TO US, THE COMPANY AND THE, TELL YOU SPECIFICALLY WHAT PRODUCT NUMBER, AND I ALWAYS GO ONLINE TO VERIFY IT. AND THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES I'VE BEEN GIVEN A NUMBER AND THEY SAY IT'S A HISTORIC PALETTE. BUT ONCE YOU PUT THE NUMBER IN, IT'S NOT SO THAT WE CAN CONTROL. BUT I JUST HATE TO CONFINE SOMEBODY TO JUST A CERTAIN BRAND. YEAH, I DON'T I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT ALTHOUGH HOW DO YOU SAY A HISTORIC PALETTE WITHOUT SAYING THE BRAND BECAUSE THEY MAKE THE PAINT. RIGHT. SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION, SO IT SAYS THAT, WHATEVER APPLICATION OF PAINT THAT IS THE SAME COLOR OR IS EXISTING OR THERE'S AN APPROPRIATE BASICALLY COLOR AND PART OF AN HISTORIC COLOR PALETTE, WHAT SCENARIO WOULD SOMEONE COME TO YOU? AND MAYBE IT IS PART OF THE HISTORIC PALETTE, BUT YOU DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE BECAUSE WE'VE ADDED AN AND IN THERE INSTEAD OF AN OR. SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WOULD THERE BE A SCENARIO WHERE IT'S ON THE HISTORIC PALETTE, BUT YOU DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE? YES. I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, WHEN BLAKE CAME IN WITH HIS BUILDING AND HE WANTED THE BLACK, I TOLD HIM I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE. I DIDN'T PERSONALLY LIKE IT, NOR DID I PROFESSIONALLY LIKE IT, BUT IT WAS ON A HISTORIC PALETTE, SO I. MOST OF YOU KNOW ME. I ALWAYS MAKE IT KNOWN WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS. AND IF THEY ASK ME MY PERSONAL OPINION, OH, NO, I DON'T PERSONALLY LIKE IT. BUT THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS YOU TO DO IT. SO LET ME. SO IN THIS SCENARIO, IF HE CAME BACK BEFORE YOU, WOULD YOU SAY THAT WAS APPROPRIATE OR NO. AND WOULD IT MAKE IT TO US. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. CAN WE TURN HIM DOWN BECAUSE IT SAYS APPROPRIATE AND FEEL IT WAS APPROPRIATE? YEAH. BASED ON OUR HISTORIC KNOWLEDGE, NOT OUR OPINION. WELL, NOT OUR PERSONAL. I DON'T THINK WE CAN. BECAUSE FOR THAT HISTORIC COLOR, WE ARE LEANING ON THAT PAINT COMPANY THAT HAS DESIGNATED THIS HISTORIC HISTORIC COLOR PALETTE. SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S COMING FROM. IT'S NOT OKAY. I MEAN, APPROVAL, IT DOESN'T HINGE WITH APPROPRIATE. OKAY. THEN I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY PUT THE APPROVAL HINGES ON OR INSTEAD OF AND OR I WAS GOING TO SAY INSTEAD OF SO WHERE IT SAYS OKAY OR THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE DOMINANT TRIM OR ACCENT COLOR THAT AND RIGHT THERE WHAT IF WE CHANGE THAT TO THAT IS PART OF AN OF AN HISTORIC COLOR PALETTE THAT WAY? I MEAN, BECAUSE WE I MEAN, WHO'S TO DETERMINE WHAT IS AND ISN'T APPROPRIATE, RIGHT? I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THAT. SO I WOULD CHANGE THE SECOND AND SO THAT SO IT'LL READ APPLICATION OF PAINT THAT IS THE SAME COLOR AS THE EXISTING OR THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE DOMINANT TRIM, DOMINANT TRIM OR ACCENT COLOR OR PART OF A HISTORIC PALETTE. NO. INSTEAD OF OR I WOULD SAY LIKE THAT IS OR OH, THAT INSTEAD OF AN IS. YES OKAY. YEAH. JUST TO [00:30:07] LIKE MORE DEFINE THAT IT HAS TO BE AN APPROPRIATE COLOR. THAT IS INCLUDED IN A HISTORIC RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT THAT IT IS, IS PART OF A. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO JUST SAY IS PART OF IT OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. ARE WE LEAVING THE WORD APPROPRIATE IN THERE. YES. AND WHY IS DOMINANT. WHAT WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY DOMINANT. THAT WOULD BE THE MAIN FACE OF THE BUILDIN. LIKE THE ENTIRE BLACK OF BLUE. AND BE IS THE DOMINANT. OH, I GOT YOU. OKAY YEAH. HE HAS NO TRIM COLOR AT ALL. IT IS A FLAT BLACK BUILDING. DOESN'T HAVE TO PLAIN NO TRIM, NO NOTHING, NO SECOND COLOR AT ALL. EXCEPT I'VE NEVER SEEN A HISTORIC HOUSE WITH ONE COLOR ON IT. THERE'S ALWAYS A SECOND COLOR, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT A HOUSE. WELL, THAT'S TRUE, IT'S NOT A HOUSE. I WAS THE CREEPY HOUSE ON THE HILL IS WHAT THAT WAS. IT'S WHAT? THE CREEPY HOUSE ON THE HILL THAT EVERYONE STAYED AWAY FROM. ALL RIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? WAIT ON THE WHOLE THING. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JUST PAINT ABOUT THIS PAINT PART, OKAY? NO, NOTHING ELSE ON THE PAINT. OKAY, WE KNOW YOU GOT MORE, BECAUSE I MIGHT HAVE MORE. OKAY. GO AHEAD. NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE ON THE PAINT. I'M GOOD ON THE PAINT. THOSE ARE. THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN SECTIONS THAT I, THAT I JUST HIGHLIGHTED AND NEEDED SOME CLARIFICATION. THEN WE'LL JUMP TO SEVEN, AFTER YOU GUYS HAVE IF THERE'S OTHER PLACES. OKAY. WELL I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE. OKAY. I HAVE A FEW BECAUSE I THINK WE DISCUSSED CHANGING SOME OF THIS, BUT IT WASN'T IN HERE. SO I JUST WANT TO BE SURE, THE, THE DEMOLITION PART, I THOUGHT THERE'S LIKE, ON IT'S ON PAGE 1414 A AND NUMBER FOUR, IT SAYS IF IT'S PROPOSED REPLACEMENT WOULD NOT MAKE A POSITIVE VISUAL CONTRIBUTION, WOULD DISRUPT THE CHARACTER OR BE VISUALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO REMOVE THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T TELL US WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT BEFORE THEY DEMOLISH IT RIGHT NOW, NOT BE ALLOWED IF YOU DO THE FOLLOWING. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO DO. I COULD BE WRONG. YEAH, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT. OKAY AND THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE REASON WAS BECAUSE I THINK WE ASKED, ARE YOU ASKED OR THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TELL US WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO WRITE. SO IT SEEMS UNNECESSARY TO BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE THAT ASSESSMENT, WHETHER IT'S MAKING A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE IT WITH. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO STRIKE NUMBER FOUR, I THINK I ONLY HAVE A COUPLE MORE. BUT ON PAGE 18, WHICH IS THE STREET FACADE, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, NUMBER EIGHT HAS THE USE OF FOUNDATION PLANNINGS, WHICH I THOUGHT WE WERE ALSO GOING TO STRIKE. YEAH, BUT I COULD BE WRONG IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT. I WANT MY SHRUBS AT THAT HOUSE. I I APOLOGIZE, I REALLY THINK WHAT HAPPENED IS WHEN I TRANSFERRED IT FROM GOOGLE DOCS, IT TOOK TO WORD. YEAH, YEAH. BECAUSE I THINK, ONE MORE WHICH IT'S ON THE BUILDING MATERIALS, BUT WE DID, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO ADD BRICK IN THERE BECAUSE WE ADDED A RANCH STYLE AND I IT'S NOT. SO I'M SURE THAT'S IN THERE. I WROTE BRICK, I KNOW I DID. IT'S ON PAGE 19 UNDER BUILDING MATERIALS RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, OKAY. SO I THINK OTHER THAN I THINK THE REST OF THE CHANGES WERE WHAT WE HAD IN THERE. BUT THE ONE QUESTION I DID HAVE AND MAYBE THAT'S ALSO IN THERE, IS I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO ADD IDENTIFYING FEATURES OF COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES. I AT LEAST WROTE THAT ON MY NOTES. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND I HAD IT IN MY NOTES AND JUST YOU'LL HAVE TO JUST GIVE ME MORE TIME, BECAUSE I STARTED LOOKING AT IT TO SEE HOW WE WOULD WRITE THAT BASED ON I MEAN, THERE'S TONS OF STUFF I COULD JUST PULL OUT OF BOOKS, BUT BASED ON WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE DOWNTOWN, I COULDN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND WHAT TO PUT IN THERE. I MEAN, I'M WITH YOU, I AGREE, I JUST KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT. YES, WE HAVE NOTHING TO ADD TO THAT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I GOT. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T THAT GO ALONG WITH THE COUNCIL ASKED HIM TO PUT ON BLAKE TO PUT ON PUT SOME PUT SOME ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT BUILDING. IT WAS LIKE, OKAY. WHAT. YEAH. I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO IT, BUT, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT. AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY THOUGHTS OR IDEAS, PLEASE SHOOT ME AN EMAIL. SO SINCE SOME OF MY MARKUPS, IF YOU WILL, LOOK AT THE END OF THE IDENTIFYING FEATURES SECTION, DO YOU SEE RANCH THERE? OH OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT ONE CAME. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THE REST OF THEM DIDN'T. [00:35:16] DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING. DID ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE WE GO TO. NO. I'M DONE. NO. OKAY SO, SECTION SEVEN. JASON HANDED YOU THE PAPERS, SECURITY HARDWARE, BURGLAR BARS ON BUILDINGS. SO I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN KIND OF A HOT TOPIC DOWNTOWN RECENTLY, SO, JASON, DID A LOT OF, RESEARCH TALK WITH CITY ATTORNEYS ON HOW TO, IMPLEMENT SOME TYPE OF REGULATION. JASON, YOU WANT TO KIND OF HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS. COME ON. YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE SPACE. TAKE UP SPACE DOWN THERE. SO BASICALLY, THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT IS YOU CAN'T WE CAN STOP. WELL, OKAY, WE CAN REGULATE, LIKE, EXTERIOR. WE CAN MAKE IT LIKE, WHERE THEY HAVE TO BE INTERIOR INSTEAD OF EXTERIOR. WE CAN'T WE CAN'T, REGULATE. SOMEBODY'S NOT USING THEM. WE CAN ONLY REGULATE IF THEY'RE GOING TO USE THEM. HOW CAN THEY USE THEM? AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT THIS TALKS ABOUT, AND IN ORDER TO KEEP THE, KEEP IT TO A MINIMUM, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE LOOK AND FEEL OF IT, WE HAVE SUCH THINGS AS, NOT HAVING THEM LIKE IT SAYS, SHALL NOT BE BLACK, WHITE OR BRIGHT COLORS. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT IT. THEY SHOULD BLEND INTO THE BACKGROUND, THEY NEED TO BE, RETRACTABLE. SO DURING THE DAY, YOU KNOW, DURING BUSINESS HOURS, THEY'RE NOT OUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO NEED FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED ON THE OUTSIDE. IF YOU'RE ON THE STREET. I'M SORRY. IF THEY'RE ON THE INSIDE, WHICH THEY WILL HAVE TO BE, WE CAN SAY THAT THEY HAVE TO BE RETRACTABLE DURING THE DAY. YES. WHICH RIGHT NOW, BOTH OF THEM ARE STATIONARY. CORRECT? CORRECT WHICH THERE'S WE CAN'T RETROACTIVELY. SO THAT MEANS YOU'RE ONLY THEY'RE ONLY REALLY GOING TO BE VISIBLE AT NIGHT CLOSING. YES. AND SO THAT WOULD BE BETTER DON'T YOU THINK. THAT'S THE IDEA WE PUT IN EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A YOU CAN'T JUST WE CAN'T HAVE A LANDOWNER OR PROPERTY OWNER JUST GO AND PUT UP SOME RANDOM STUFF. THEY HAVE TO HIRE A COMPANY THAT'S CERTIFIED TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, AND IT HAS TO BE PERMITTED. IT HAS TO BE INSPECTED, YOU KNOW, SO WE'VE WE'VE ADDED EVERYTHING THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY SAYS THAT WE LEGALLY, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN ENFORCEABLE IN THE PAST. AND WE THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD SOLUTION TO, TO WHAT IS DEFINITELY BETTER THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. OKAY. SO BASICALLY ONE THROUGH SEVEN SAYS THAT YOU CAN HAVE THEM. THEY HAVE TO BE INSIDE. THEY HAVE TO BE RETRACTABLE RETRACTABLE DURING THE DAY. THEY CANNOT BE BRIGHT COLORS. THEY CAN'T BE BRIGHT COLORS. THEY HAVE TO FADE IN. YEP OKAY. AND THEY HAVE TO BE INSPECTED OR PERMITTED INSTALLED BY A PROFESSIONAL COMPANY THAT DOES THIS AND INSPECTED WHEN THE INSTALLATION IS COMPLETE. OKAY. SO WE'RE WE'RE GREAT WITH NEW INSTALLATIONS. WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE TWO THAT ARE THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THOSE UNFORTUNATELY. WELL, AND I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WE CAN KEEP THEM FROM I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS THAT WE CAN WE COULD REGULATE ANY MODIFICATIONS, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'LL TAKE WE'LL HAVE PICTURES OF THE FRONT END, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT. AND IF WE SEE A DIFFERENT ONES WE CAN SAY, OH, WELL, THOSE WERE NEVER PERMITTED. RIGHT YOU KNOW, BUT WHAT'S THERE TODAY? YOU KNOW, THAT SHIP HAS ALREADY SAILED. BUT WE CAN KEEP AN EYE ON THEM. AND WHEN, IF AND WHEN THEY EVER TRY TO UPGRADE, CHANGE WHATEVER, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE CAN NOTIFY THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO BE PERMITTED, WHAT IF THEY FELL AT ANY POINT? SORRY. LIKE IF THE PROPERTY TRADES HANDS AT ANY POINT, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL TAKE THEM OUT. BUT IF ONCE THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE THERE, IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE, YEAH, IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE IF SOMEBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, ANY BUILDING DOWNTOWN, IF SOMEBODY MOVES OUT, SOMEBODY ELSE MOVES IN, THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING TO THE BUILDING. WE HAVE NO SAY IN THAT. HOW HOW SOON? I KNOW WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS TONIGHT. HOW SOON DOES THIS GO INTO EFFECT? WELL, THIS HAS TO BE GO THROUGH, Y'ALL FOR APPROVAL OR FOR RECOMMENDATION THROUGH P AND Z FOR RECOMMENDATION. AND THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. SO MY GUESS WOULD BE LIKE THE FIRST YEAR IF WE REALLY GOT ON THIS, WE JUST WON'T PERMIT ANYBODY ELSE WITH BARS UNTIL AFTER THIS IS WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. WE JUST WE'RE GOING TO KEEP OUR FINGERS CROSSED. IT'S GOING. SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. CAN WE FAST TRACK THIS? I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN GENERAL IS ONE OF THE LIKE MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S THE ONLY AREA WHERE IT [00:40:03] CAN BE A RESIDENCE OR A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. SAME BUILDING. DOES THIS APPLY TO ANYTHING THAT'S RESIDENTIAL IN THE DOWNTOWN? HISTORIC. LIKE IF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING TRANSLATES INTO A RESIDENTIAL LATER ON, HOW DOES THIS APPLY TO THOSE? BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WHEN IT'S A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE VERSUS A IT'S THE SAME. IT WOULD BE THE SAME. IT'S ANY STRUCTURE DOWNTOWN. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO CALL THAT OUT, THAT THIS APPLIES TO BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND ACTUALLY IN A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, REGARDLESS OF THE USE, WE CAN BE MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE BECAUSE YOU CANNOT, FOR EXAMPLE, PUT A BURGLAR BAR ON THE ONLY WINDOW IN AND OUT OF A PARTICULAR ROOM BECAUSE IT'S A FIRE HAZARD. SO IF IT YEAH, I IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT DOWNTOWN FOR ANYBODY EVEN ONE WANT TO AND TO BE ABLE TO PASS THE FIRE CODE. I JUST PUT THESE ON WE HAVE LANGUAGE LIKE ONLY TO BE SECURED DURING NON OPERATING HOURS AND A HOME IS NOT. YEAH. IF SOMEONE. YES. WELL IT SEEMS LIKE IT ONLY APPLIES IF IT WAS A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AND A RESIDENTIAL USE THAT IT REVERTS TO THE FIRE COD, BUT IF IT'S A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE WITH A COMMERCIAL USE THEN THIS APPLIES. GOT IT. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY SO THERE'S NO REALLY NO NEED TO SAY COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, RIGH? GIVEN THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS. AND IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANYTHING EASIER FOR. NO. RIGHT. YOU STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE WHOLE THING. OKAY. THAT'S OKAY, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S WRITTEN ON THIS PAGE THEN? OKAY. THEN I MAKE A MOTION TO, OH, THIS IS JUST FOR THIS IS A WORK SESSION. SO THEN WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT MEETING TO PASS IT ON. ARE WE GOING TO MISS OLLIE? WILL WE ARE WILL ALL THE OTHER CHANGES? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU TALKED ABOUT. CAN YOU FAST TRACK THIS? I MEAN, IF YOU'RE READY FOR THIS TO GO, THIS CAN COME JUST THIS SECTION SEVEN CAN COME BACK TO YOU NEXT MONTH AND THEN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO IT WILL COME AS A, A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM FOR ACTION AND THEN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF P AND Z. AND THEN ONCE WE GET EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER THAT CAN COME BACK TO YOU. WELL, MY THOUGHT IS BECAUSE WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT COMES INTO THOSE BUILDINGS DOWN THERE, I'M NOT GOING TO LOOK A GIFT HORSE IN THE MOUTH. I WANT THIS TO GO AS FAST AS WE CAN GET IT ON HERE, BECAUSE 2 OR 3 MORE BUSINESSES MIGHT WANT TO PUT SOMETHING UP AND NOBODY CAN STOP THEM. YEAH. AND SO YEAH, THAT'S MY OPINION. BUT WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS, THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS. WE CAN WE CAN DO IT. THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO DO IS ADVERTISE IT. YEAH. THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD. THEN WE CAN GET THAT NEXT MONTH. OKAY. WORKS FOR ME. DO I HAVE TO DO ANYTHING? IT'S OKAY. IS THAT IS THAT THE DESIRE OF EVERYONE TO GET IT IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION NEXT MONTH FOR AN ACTION ITEM? YEAH. OKAY. YES OKAY. OKAY. SO WE JUST ADDED THE DESCRIPTION OF RANCH STYLE. WE DIDN'T DO ANY NEED TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT. CORRECT. RIGHT, AND THEN ADDED FEATURES OF RANCH STYLE. THERE'S NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. CORRECT? CORRECT OKAY. SO THAT'S ALL WE HAVE HERE. I'M NOT GOING OUT OF THIS WORK SESSION. SO I KNOW WE'RE THROUGH. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALL RIGHT, THEN WE WILL COMMANDED THIS WORK SESSION AND RECONVENE INTO REGULAR SESSION THERE. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA. NO EXECUTIVE SESSIO. WE DON'T NEED AN OPEN SESSION. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.