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ORDER THE WYLIE HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION. REGULAR MEETING FOR JULY 25TH, 2024. TIME IS 4:00.
ACCORDING TO MY LAPTOP. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. ABOUT 603 MAYBE. ALL RIGHT, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS? I KNOW THERE'S NOT ANYBODY OUT IN THE GALLERY.
GALLERY FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO THE ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN UP THE NOMINATION FOR CHAI. WELL, OF COURSE, I'M GOING TO NOMINATE YOU, SANDRA, AS CHAIR.
GLADLY. ACCEPT YOUR NOMINATION. ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? CAN I SECOND THAT? ARE WE THERE YET? YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE NOMINATIONS. JUST A SECOND. OKAY. YOU WANT YOUR SECOND? OKAY. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY, CAST YOUR VOT. ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASS, SECOND ITEM IS TO NOMINATE, FOR NOMINATION OF VICE CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE ALISON STOWE TO CONTINUE AS VICE CHAIR. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? OH, COME ON, GUYS. ALL RIGHT. CAN I HAVE A SECOND? OH, I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. CAST YOUR VOTE. AT THE NOVEMBER ELECTION GOES AS EASY. OKAY. THANK ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. IS TO GO INTO WORK SESSION. WORK SESSION NUMBER ONE, STAFF PRESENTATION ON HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION RULES, PROCEDURES AND EXPECTATIONS. JASON THANK YOU. OKAY, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOOD. YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO YOU TURN IT DOWN. OKAY, PERFECT. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT, SO, THIS IS A GOOD REFRESHER FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD AND A GOOD INTRODUCTION FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NEW TO THE BOARD. BUT WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS GO THROUGH, THE RULES, REGULATIONS AND PROCEDURES FOR, THE HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION. SO, YEAH. YEAH. SO YOU ARE ON THE HISTORY.
WE'VE GOT ONE FOR IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND LOOK, WE'VE GOT ONE FOR P AND Z AND Z BOA AND ALL THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT I GET IN FRONT OF ANYWAY, SO, HRC WAS APPOINTED BY THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 20 1317. AND THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TO REVIEW AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING, THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT IN VARIOUS THINGS, THOSE VARIOUS THINGS ARE NEW CONSTRUCTION, SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATIONS, ORDINANCE AND REGULATION, AMENDMENTS, AND RECOMMEND DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC LANDMARKS, NEW CONSTRUCTION, THAT'S BASICALLY GOVERNED BY SECTION 6.3 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES AND COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES DOWNTOWN, AND DOWNTOWN IS ONE OF THE FEW PLACES THAT WE ALLOW BOTH, USES WITHIN BOTH TYPES OF STRUCTURES, HRC IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, HRC MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT, THIS TYPE OF, RECOMMENDATION, HRC THIS IS THE POINT WHEN YOU WANT TO, NEGOTIATE WITH THE APPLICANTS, WITHIN REASON, YOU CAN ASK FOR ALMOST ANYTHING. THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS YOU TO DO. THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS PREFERRED, I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER TONIGHT. BUT, LIKE I TOLD PNC ON THE SITE PLANS, THE SITE PLAN, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE. BUT THERE'S STILL THERE'S STILL AREAS WHERE YOU CAN NEGOTIATE OR YOU CAN ASK, YOU KNOW, IT NEVER HURTS TO ASK AND THE APPLICANT TO SAY, HEY, CAN WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THIS OR
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SOMETHING LIKE THAT? EVEN IF THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO, IT'S STILL WELL WITHIN YOUR RIGHT TO, TO NEGOTIATE THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATIONS, THAT'S BASICALLY TO MAKE IT A REALLY SHORT, ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT CHANGES THE WHAT THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE, THAT ALSO DOES INCLUDE, RENOVATIONS TO THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT WILL ALTER THE OUTSIDE FOR IF YOU'RE, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU'RE ADDING A ROOM AND YOU'RE GOING TO ADD A WINDOW TO THAT ROOM, THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT TURNS IT INTO A EXTERIOR RENOVATION. I HAVE A QUESTION. CAN YOU PLEASE WAIT TILL THE END? NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. I'M JUST KIDDING. HAVE YOU EVER KNOWN ME TO WAIT TILL THE END? YES CHAIRPERSON STONE, WHAT CAN I HELP YOU WITH? GO BACK TO THAT LAST. YES, MA'AM. PLEASE. AN INCREASE OF FLOOR AREA OF THE BUILDING. GREATER THAN 10%. FLOOR AREA MEANS WHAT? AND BUILDING MEANS WHAT? AND THIS IS WHY I'M ASKING. FLOOR AREA OF THE BUILDING. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE LIVING AREA OF THE HOUSE? OR IS A PATIO A BRICK PATIO OR A DECK? IS THAT INCLUDED IN THAT? MISS ALI, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO HELP WITH THAT. ONLY BECAUSE I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ANSWERS.I'VE GOT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL ANSWER, YOU KNOW, AND THEN. BUT DOWNTOWN, I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. BUT IT'S NOT REALLY THAT DIFFERENT, IT'S REALLY THE FLOOR. FLOOR AREA IS OUTSIDE FLOOR AREA. SO BASICALLY NO MORE THAN JUST LIVING SPACE REALLY. ANYTHING THAT'S THAT'S UNDER A SHARED ROOF. NOW, IF YOU HAVE LIKE A PATIO THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, YEARS AFTER THAT, THERE'S NO ROOF ON IT, THEN THAT WOULD NOT BE COUNTED. BUT BASICALLY ANYTHING WITH IN THE WALL SPACE AND THAT SHARES A COMMON ROOF. OKAY DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MISS STONE? YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ORDINANCE AND REGULATION AMENDMENTS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT. LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT BASICALLY THEY'RE GENERALLY INITIATED BY STAFF OR CITY COUNCIL OR HRC. IT COVERS ANYTHING THAT'S WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. HRC MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO, TO COUNCIL, BUT P AND Z, BECAUSE IT'S THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS ALSO INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. SO YOU BASICALLY HAVE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS GOING TO COUNCI, IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, THESE COME UP WHENEVER, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED CLARIFICATIONS OR IN THIS CASE, WE'RE DOING A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT REWRITE, BECAUSE ONE HASN'T BEEN DONE IN A WHILE AND EITHER LAWS CHANGE, ATTITUDES CHANGE PHYSICAL, THE GROUND, PHYSICAL APPLICATIONS ON THE GROUND CHANGE. THERE'S LOTS OF REASONS FOR IT, BUT HRC HAS THE, THE DUTY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, RECOMMENDED DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC LANDMARKS. ESTABLISHED CRITERIA IS USED TO DETERMINE WHETHER CERTAIN BUILDINGS, LAND AREAS AND DISTRICTS SHOULD BE DESIGNATED AS HERITAGE RESOURCE, HRC AGAIN ALSO MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL THAT'S BASED ON THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I THINK IN THE PACKET THAT WE'RE CHANGING, I THINK THEY DIDN'T THEY CHANGE THE LAW THAT NOW WE HAVE SOLE DISCRETION FOR LANDMARKS. I THINK, OKAY, SO I NEED TO UPDATE THE PRESENTATION FOR NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SO THE RULES AND PROCEDURES FOR HRC WERE WRITTEN BY HRC, SO MY POINT IS, IS THAT OVER TIME, IF YOU ALL WANT TO CHANGE, YOU KNOW, HOW THINGS GO, GO ABOUT I'M GOING TO COVER LIKE MEETING PROCEDURES HERE IN JUST A SECOND. THOSE WE FOLLOW CITY COUNCIL AND THE REASON WE AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE I MEAN THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS CHANGE.
THERE'S SLIGHT DIFFERENCES IN HOW THEY OPERATE. BUT IN GENERAL THEY LIKE TO FOLLOW WHATEVER COUNCIL DOES. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. BUT THERE ARE OTHER LITTLE THINGS, MEETING START TIMES IS ONE WHEN I FIRST STARTED. AND PLEASE DON'T, YOU KNOW, DON'T LISTEN TO THIS. BUT WHEN I FIRST STARTED, WHAT P AND Z STARTED AT SEVEN AND Z BOA STARTED AT 730, WHICH MADE FOR SOME REALLY, REALLY LONG NIGHTS. LUCKILY, OVER TIME, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MOVE THAT FORWARD TO MAKE IT REASONABLE FOR BOTH PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, 6:00 WE'RE HERE, HRC, THE MEMBERS CAN GET HERE AFTER WORK. ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN STILL EASILY GET HERE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN BE AVAILABLE FOR THEM, WHICH IS YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S FOR THE CITIZENS OF WILEY. SO THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT. BUT ANYWAY, MY POINT BEING IS THAT YOU ARE WELL WITHIN YOUR RIGHT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEM. YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME, WE CAN PUT THEM ON THE AGENDA. USUALLY IT'S EVERY TWO YEARS WE REVIEW THEM ANYWAY, BUT AT ANY TIME, IF THE, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD WISHES OR THE COMMISSION WISHES TO LOOK AT IT, BY ALL MEANS WE CAN, THAT BEING SAID, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE WRITTEN BY HRC, COUNCIL STILL HAS TO APPROVE THEM. SO GENERAL MEETING FORMAT.
CHAIRPERSON CALLS THE MEETING CITIZEN COMMENTS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS WHICH WE DID CONSENT
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AGENDA ITEMS, WHICH WE'LL DO HERE IN A SECOND. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. LET ME GO BACK. THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, USUALLY IN THIS PARTICULAR COMMISSION IS JUST THE MINUTES. BUT THERE CAN BE OTHER THINGS. I KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THERE'S A TON OF ITEMS. THOSE ARE GENERALLY ITEMS THAT DON'T JUST DON'T NEED DISCUSSION. THEY'RE ROUTINE ITEMS OR THEY'RE ITEMS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT, THAT DON'T NEED A PUBLIC HEARING, IN THIS AND, Z BOA, SOME OF MY OTHER COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS, IT'S USUALLY JUST THE MINUTES, BUT IT CAN BE MORE, REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS, LIKE IT SAYS, REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS, EXECUTIVE SESSION AS NEEDED. THE EXECUTIVE SESSION CAN ONLY BE ABOUT, LAND AND PURCHASING AND THAT SORT OF THING. OR LAWSUITS AND THAT SORT OF THING. IF WE WERE TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS TO BE PRESENT, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN JUST GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING, IT NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING OR, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE OUT IN THE PUBLIC AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, THE ATTORNEY CAN BE PRESENT ON THE PHONE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, LIKE AT COUNCIL WHERE, HEY, SOMETHING CAME UP. THEY NEED TO TALK. THEY GO IN THERE, THEY GET THEM ON THE PHONE, AND THEY CAN GO THAT ROUTE. I DON'T THINK HRC. I THINK IT'S HAPPENED ONCE IN P AND Z, AND IN MY 18 YEARS HERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE WORK SESSIONS. WE'RE DOING THAT RIGHT NOW. THAT'S A NON ACTIONABLE ITEM. WE CAN INTERACT. WE CAN TALK AS MUCH AS WE WANT. BUT THERE'S NO VOTE BEING TAKEN. THERE'S NO ACTION BEING DONE. AND THEN ADJOURNMENT GENERAL ITEM FORMAT. SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA FOR UNDER THE REGULAR AGENDA, THE CHAIRMAN INTRODUCTION OR CHAIRPERSON INTRODUCTION, STAFF REPORT, APPLICANT REMARKS. SO IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE, THEY CAN MAKE A REMARK ON IT AND CITIZEN COMMENT. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT EVEN IF IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, THE STATE LAW OF TEXAS SAYS THAT EVERYBODY GETS THEIR THREE MINUTES ON ANY ITEM IF THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, IF IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, THAT'S WHEN AT THE VERY BEGINNING THEY CAN COME UP. IF IT IS ON THE AGENDA, THEY CAN STILL COME UP AND TALK ABOUT IT, THEN THERE'S COMMISSION DISCUSSION GENERALLY AND THEN MOTION APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, DISAPPROVE OR CONTINUE APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS THAT GOES BACK TO WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THE, NEGOTIATING. YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT IF IT'S NOT APPROVED AS WRITTEN, THEN THAT'S WHEN IT'S APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE. LIKE WE'RE GOING TO YOU KNOW, STAFF WILL PRESENT SOMETHING A PARTICULAR WAY THAT THE APPLICANT ASKS US TO PRESENT AFTER WE'VE DONE OUR WORK WITH THEM, BEFORE IT GETS HERE, IF YOU ALL DECIDE, HEY, WE WANT TO DO THIS. AND THEY AGREED TO THAT, THEN YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THE MOTION HAS TO BE WE APPROVED, BUT OR, YOU KNOW, RECOMMEND APPROVAL. BUT WITH THESE AND ACTUALLY THAT SHOULD SAY RECOMMEND APPROVAL NOT APPROVE. BUT ANYWAY THEN THERE'S RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL AND CONTINUE CONTINUES. JUST TABLE. BUT IT'S TECHNICALLY TECHNICALLY IT'S A CONTINUANCE. BUT WE GENERALLY USE THE WORD TABLE. SO OTHER CONSIDERATIONS PACKET DELIVERY. WE TRY TO GET THE PACKET OUT ON THURSDAYS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BUT THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN, SO BUT EXPECT IT FRIDAY BEFORE CLOSE OF BUSINESS. WE ASKED. OH, WELL, I TALK ABOUT THAT LATER HERE. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT NOW? WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN TO THE FOURTH ONE. PRE-MEETING QUESTIONS, WHEN YOU GET YOUR PACKET, PLEASE READ IT. LOOK AT IT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WE ASK THAT YOU EMAIL US, BEFORE THE MEETING IF YOU CAN FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE THE REASON IS WE CAN GIVE YOU A MUCH BETTER ANSWER AS STAFF, WHEN WE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME WHAT IS GOING TO BE ASKED. WE WILL ALSO SHARE THOSE QUESTIONS, WITH THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, OBVIOUSLY THINGS ARE GOING TO COME UP DURING THE MEETING. YOU KNOW, YOU THINK OF THINGS ALL THE TIME THAT MAYBE WE DIDN'T THINK OF BEFOREHAND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. BUT WHEN YOU DO LOOK AT IT AND IF YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING, PLEASE LET US KNOW AHEAD OF TIME. IT JUST IT HELPS US GIVE YOU BETTER ANSWERS SO YOU CAN MAKE BETTER DECISIONS FOR THE CITIZENS OF WILEY AND FOR THE DOWNTOWN. CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? NOPE.NO DIDN'T THAT LOOK? YES, MA'AM, JUST ESPECIALLY FOR THE NEW MEMBERS, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT JASON IS SAYING. LIKE WITH THE PRE MEETING QUESTIONS, EVEN IF NOT TO THE DETAIL OF, YOU KNOW, A SPECIFIC ITEM. BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE JUST BY BEING NEW, YOU MAY NOT QUITE UNDERSTAND, FEEL FREE TO JUST GIVE US A CALL OR COME BY EMAIL. AND WE'RE ALWAYS AVAILABLE, TO EITHER EXPLAIN SOMETHING, CLARIFY OR WHATEVER YOU NEED. I'LL TELL YOU TOO THAT THE YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION, THEY'RE ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO YOU, WHETHER IT'S PRE MEETING, IT MAY BE A MONTH BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING. AND IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR IF YOU SEE SOMETHING IN THE DISTRICT, YOU'RE YOU ARE THE EYES OF THE DISTRICT BEING ON THIS COMMISSION. SO DON'T BE AFRAID TO EMAIL ASK A QUESTION. HEY I SAW THIS. IS THIS RIGHT? WHAT DO
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WE NEED TO DO ABOUT THIS? OR THAT? YEAH. SO IT'S JUST WE SEE IT AS THAT'S OUR JOB IS TO HELP YOU MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS YOU CAN FOR WILEY AND FOR DOWNTOWN, ATTENDANCE. WE NEED A QUORUM EVERY TIME. THAT'S MINIMUM OF FOUR OF YOU ALL, THE MORE PEOPLE HERE, THE BETTER DECISIONS WE GET. YOU KNOW, THE MORE IDEAS THAT WE HAVE, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE. THE MORE IDEAS THAT WE HAVE, THE MORE DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT WE HAVE, THE MORE DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE, THE BETTER THE OUTCOME AT THE END. SO YOU KNOW, WE ASK ATTENDANCE, IS REALLY SUPER IMPORTANT, NOT JUST FOR QUORUM SAKE, BUT JUST FOR GETTING THE BEST POSSIBLE RESULT THAT WE CAN, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU MISS THREE MEETINGS IN A ROW AND YOU DON'T HAVE AN EXCUSE, WE CAN. STAFF CAN ASK COUNCIL TO REMOVE YOU. NOT SAYING WE WILL. I'M JUST SAYING WE CAN. SO TAKE THAT FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH. CANCEL THREE MEETINGS IN A ROW. CAN I REMOVE YOU? OH WELL, WHO CANCELS THEM? THAT'S WHAT I. WHAT? I WANT TO KNOW WHO CANCELED. I WILL NOT CANCEL THREE MEETINGS IN A ROW. I WILL ALWAYS BE HERE. SO OPEN RECORDS, EVERYTHING YOU SAY OR DO THAT'S PART OF THIS COMMISSION IS AN OPEN RECORD THAT MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THAT MEANS IN GENERAL, ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND THERE IS LIKE THAT CAMERA RIGHT NOW IS POINTING AT ME. IF YOU ARE ON TV, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ON TV LOOKING AT IT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ME TALKING.WHEN, SAY, MISS STONE IS TALKING AND THAT CAMERA IS OUT HERE. IF YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN AT YOUR PHONE AND A DECISION IS MADE THAT SOMEBODY DOESN'T LIKE, GUESS WHAT THEY MIGHT DO? THEY MIGHT ASK TO SEE WHAT WAS ON YOUR. WHY WERE YOU TEXTING SOMEBODY? YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE JUST BEEN TEXTING YOUR SPOUSE OR YOUR KIDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS, BUT JUST BE AWARE OF THAT, THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. THAT'S WHY WE GIVE YOU GUYS THE COMPUTERS, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT YOU LOOK UP SHOULD BE ON THE COMPUTER.
AND THAT WAY, IF ANYBODY HAS TO GO, HERE YOU GO. OKAY, CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GENERALLY TELL YOU WHEN YOU HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. BUT MY GENERAL ADVICE ON THAT IS IF YOU HAVE A MONETARY GAIN SOMEHOW, SOME WAY, THAT IS DEFINITELY A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER GRAY AREAS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE UP FOR YOURSELF THAT COMES STRAIGHT FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY SECRETARY, SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. YOU CAN ASK US AND I'M GOING TO BE LIKE, UNLESS IT'S MONEY, I'M I'M GOING TO SAY, YOU HAVE TO MAKE UP YOUR MIND ON YOUR OWN. SO THAT'S GENERALLY THE BIG ONE. THAT IS PRETTY OBVIOUS. AND THERE'S SOME OTHER ONES, BUT YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO KIND OF DECIDE FOR YOURSELF ON THAT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TEMPO OF THE MEETINGS. I WAS TOLD THAT THE MEETINGS ARE AS NEEDED. THAT IS CORRECT, NOT CONSISTENT. LIKE THEY'RE NOT EVERY SINGLE MONTH. THEY ARE NOT EVERY SINGLE MEETINGS. OKAY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL DO, IS SEND OUT A NOTICE THAT SAYS, HEY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A MEETING THIS MONTH, WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS DONE THAT, BUT IT'S, WE'VE GOTTEN SO MANY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS NOW THAT IT AND SO MANY MEMBERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ACTIVE THAT IT'S IT'LL CREATE A LITTLE CONFUSION IF WE DON'T. SO WE'LL SEND OUT EITHER A PACKET THAT SAYS WE GOT A MEETING OR WE'LL SEND OUT JUST A LITTLE QUICK THING SAYING, HEY, WE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING IN TIME, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A MEETING THIS WEEK OR THIS MONTH, AND HERE IS YOUR STAFF, MISS ALI IS THE LIAISON, I AM AN ASSISTANT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, AT THIS POINT, KEVIN MOLINA IS OUR MY SENIOR PLANNER, HE CAN HELP YOU OUT IF RENEE OR I ARE NOT AVAILABLE IN WITH GENERAL QUESTIONS AND THEN YOU'VE ALL MET GABY, AND THAT'S ALL OF OUR CONTACT INFORMATION.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THAT IS ALL I HAVE THIS EVENING. COMMENTS. WHERE ARE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS? LIKE, CAN I SEE THE ORDINANCES? BUT WHERE ARE THE RULES? I CAN SEND YOU A COPY IF YOU ASK. OKAY I DIDN'T BRING THEM WITH ME, BUT WE HAVE THEM ON OUR, AVAILABLE. YEAH, I CAN EITHER EMAIL IT TO YOU OR PRINT ONE OUT. EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS. OKAY. YEAH. THERE WE GO. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. IS THAT WHAT THIS IS THE RULE. IT JUST DOESN'T SAY IT. NO, THAT'S NOT IT. YEAH I MEAN I WILL IF WE HAVE RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR US I'D LIKE TO SEE IT. I WILL. YOU KNOW WHAT I WILL AS SOON AS I SET OUT TO CHANGE SOMETHING. IF I DON'T HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER. WELL, SEE, THAT'S THAT'S THE THAT'S THE TRICKY PART. WE KIND OF. WE DON'T SHOW YOU ANYTHING. I GET YOUR TRICK. YEAH, I GET YOUR TRICK. YOU APPROVED THEM. YOU WROTE THEM. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHOW THEM TO YOU. YEAH. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU JASON. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO BACK. THE NEXT ITEM IS THE CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM A, CONSIDER AND ACT UPON APPROVAL OF THE JUNE 27TH, 2024 MEETING MINUTES. HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT
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THOSE MINUTES? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CHANGES? ANYTHING ALL RIGHT. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. CAST YOUR VOTE.ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE'LL GO INTO. THIS IS WORK SESSION NUMBER TWO. RIGHT. OKAY. WORK SESSION NUMBER TWO, HOLD A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 6.3 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCES. I GOT A LITTLE OFF THERE BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMETHING BETWEEN THE WORK SESSIONS, IS IT OKAY IF I SIT HERE, OR WOULD YOU PREFER. YOU'RE FINE. HEAR ME DOWN THERE. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR HER? OKAY.
YEAH. YEAH. OKAY OKAY. SO WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THESE CHANGES AGAIN SO WE CAN GO THROUGH HOWEVER YOU WISH. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, I KIND OF OUTLINED THEM, IN THE SUMMARY REPORT, BASED ON OUR MEETING 2 OR 3 MONTHS AGO, SO WE'VE UPDATED THOSE. THERE ARE A FEW COMMENTS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS ON AND TALK THROUGH, BUT WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OR HIGHLIGHTS YOU WANT TO, I KNOW THIS MIGHT NOT BE EXTREMELY POPULAR, AND I PROMISE NOT TO TAKE UP A WHOLE LOT OF TIME, BUT I WOULD KIND OF LIKE FOR YOU TO, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE NEW PEOPLE JUST KIND OF GLIDE THROUGH FROM START TO. SHALL WE GET TO THE FIRST QUESTION OR CHANGE THAT? WE NEEDED TO DISCUSS? OKAY. KIND OF WHAT THE YOU KNOW, THE FIRST SECTION OKAY. PURPOSE. OKAY. SO SECTION 6.3, THIS IS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. SO THESE ARE ALL THE GUIDELINES THAT KIND OF DICTATE THE DESIGN STANDARDS, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THE FIRST PART. AND I'M HOPING OUR PAGE NUMBERS ARE ALL THE SAME, BUT I AM ON PAGE 19 AND THIS IS JUST THE PURPOSE UNDER SECTION 6.3. SO REALLY THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE IS BROKEN OUT INTO CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES AND NON CONTRIBUTING. AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN IS KIND OF A HODGEPODGE OF A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING. SOME ACTUAL HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND SOME BUILDINGS THAT ARE JUST SIMPLY OLD, SO THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE JUST SIMPLY OLD, NO HISTORIC VALUE AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A FOUNDING FATHER THAT BUILT THE HOUSE OR LIVED THERE OR NOT A DEFINED CHARACTER STYLE OF THE HOUSE, THEN THAT WOULD FALL INTO OUR NON CONTRIBUTING, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT I JUST PICKED UP FROM THE US SECRETARY OF STATE, JUST KIND OF GIVING A LITTLE BIT OF MEAT TO OUR, OUR PURPOSE OF THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. AND THEN IF WE GO OVER TO PAGE 22 AND THIS IS UNDER SECTION C, TWO AND THREE SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATIONS IN COMMON, ROUTINE RENOVATION, MAINTENANCE. SO THIS PART, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN THE PAST, AND I THINK CHAIRMAN STONE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS, BUT REALLY WHAT THIS SECTION IS, IT AGAIN, IT DEFINES AND BREAKS OUT THE REQUIREMENTS BASED ON SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATIONS. IF SOMEONE IS MAKING SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CHANGING THE FACADE, ADDING WINDOWS, RELOCATING DOORS, THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT IS SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATIONS THAT WOULD REQUIRE REQUIRE OVERSIGHT FROM HRC AND ULTIMATE APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL. THE MORE COMMON RENOVATIONS WOULD BE THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN NO, IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, CHANGING SINGLE SHINGLES, PAINT ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT ALREADY MATCH WHAT THEY HAVE, OR IF THAT PAINT COLOR IS PART OF A HISTORIC COLOR PALETTE THAT CAN BE APPROVED AS STAFF LEVEL. AND THE WAY THAT HAPPENS IS WHEN AN APPLICANT CONTACTS US AND SAYS, HEY, I WANT TO PAINT MY HOUSE, GREEN. YOU KNOW, WE'LL SAY, WELL, WHAT SHADE OF GREEN? WHAT COLOR? GREEN. WHAT'S YOUR COLOR PALETTE THAT YOU'RE USING FROM? THEY WILL HAVE TO SEND THAT TO US. AND I ALWAYS LIKE FOR THEM TO SEND IT IN AN EMAIL. AND THEN I WOULD RESPOND TO THEM THAT WAY. THERE'S A RECORD THAT THEY SUBMITTED TO US AND WE APPROVED IT. THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN SOMETHING AND THE COLOR THAT THEY SELECT IS EITHER QUESTIONABLE OR I CAN'T FIND IT
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ON A PALETTE. AND I WILL TELL THEM IF THAT IS THE COLOR YOU'RE DEAD SET ON, IT HAS TO GO TO HRC BECAUSE JUST BY THE ORDINANCE, WE AS STAFF DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO JUST MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT. SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME TO YOU ALL.OR AGAIN, EVEN YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW IT'S CHALLENGING FOR THAT HOMEOWNER. IF THEY JUST SIMPLY WANT TO MOVE A DOOR, TAKE A DOOR OUT AND PUT A WINDOW IN. YEAH, IT MAY SEEM JUST REALLY MINOR, BUT ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE THAT IS CHANGING THE EXTERIOR LOOK OF THAT BUILDING. SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME TO YOU ALL. AND THE IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THAT, WHEN YOU SAY IT COULD BE JUST CHANGING A DOOR OR CHANGING A WINDOW, IS IF YOU HAVE A CONTRIBUTING HOUSE, YOU CAN'T CHANGE A DOOR OR A WINDOW ON A VICTORIAN AND STILL HAVE IT BE HISTORICALLY VICTORIAN. AND WE HAVE SEEN THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A CONTRIBUTING HOUSE, SAY, VICTORIAN STYLE AND THEY WANT TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, A 1920S WOOD FRAME DOOR OUT AND PUT AN ALUMINUM DOOR IN. WELL, THAT'S NOT IN LINE WITH THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT TYPE OF HOME. WE WILL TELL THEM, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T CONFORM. BUT AS THE OWNER, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO ASK. SO THAT WOULD BE AN ITEM THAT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU ALL. SO AND I SAY THAT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SEE AREN'T BECAUSE WE THINK THAT IT'S GOOD OR THAT IT'S RIGHT OR CONFORMING. IT'S BECAUSE AS A PROPERTY OWNER, THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT TO PETITION YOU FOR IT. SO WE BRING IT TO YOU AND THEN YOU MAKE THAT DECISION. AND DID I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY, RENEE, THAT WHAT WHAT DEEMS SOMETHING STAFF APPROVAL AND HRC APPROVAL IS THAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS AND IS THIS THE PART OF THE ORDINANCE? OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IN THE WHOLE COLOR SCHEME THING, OF THEM PICKING A COLOR, SHOWING YOU, TELLING YOU WHAT PALETTE IT'S ON AND ALL THAT, HOW DOES THAT COLOR THEN FIT INTO WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE PLACED IN THE DISTRICT, CONFORMING TO WHAT'S AROUND IT? YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO I FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE STEP, BE OUR SECOND STEP, NOT ONLY APPROVING THE COLOR, BUT DOES AS ONE THAT'S ON A PALETTE, UNAPPROVED PALETTE, BUT WILL IT FIT PROPERLY WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE POSITIONED? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE IN THE COLORS THAT ARE AROUND IT KIND OF THING? YES, THAT MAKES SENSE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE, TO A DEGREE, PINK BUILDINGS OR NONE, YOU KNOW.
WELL THERE'S NOTHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS IT HAS TO BE EVERY FIFTH HOUSE HAS TO BE A DIFFERENT COLOR BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE WE DON'T HAVE THIS, BUT TECHNICALLY YOU COULD HAVE SOMEONE DEVELOP TEN VICTORIAN HOMES IN A ROW. THEY MAY ALL BE THE SAME COLOR OR THEY MAY NOT.
OR YOU MAY HAVE A VICTORIAN RIGHT NEXT TO AN ARTS AND CRAFTS THAT ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT COLORS. SO I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE DISCUSSED THAT? REMEMBER, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE ORDINANCES, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, REMEMBER THE WHOLE GARY TAYLOR? YES, AND I REMEMBER WHEN IT WENT TO COUNCIL, COUNCIL WAS LIKE, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO. SO THEY SAID, BE THAT DETAIL WHERE WE TELL SOMEONE WHAT COLOR THEY HAVE TO PICK. SO COUNCIL SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO THE I KNOW WHO TO TALK TO OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. SO I DEFINITELY GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT IS IT POSSIBLE TO FOR US TO REVIEW THE PAINT COLORS LIKE JUST IN CONTEXT OF, YEAH, THE HOUSES BESIDE IT, EVEN IF THEY ARE ON THE HISTORICAL PALETTE OR. NO, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THEY DID NOT LIKE BECAUSE LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, FOR ME, LIKE LET'S SAY THERE'S LIKE A YELLOW THAT'S ON HISTORIC PALETTE AND THEN SOMEONE NEXT DOOR WANTS TO DO AN ORANGE THAT'S ALSO ON THE HISTORIC PALETTE. SO THEN WE MAY THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT MAY NOT LOOK GREAT TOGETHER. AND THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAYING I THINK. YEAH SO THEY'RE SAYING YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S WHAT THEY DON'T WANT. YES YES. BUT OKAY. LET ME DEFINE THEY THEY WAS A COUNCIL THAT IS NOT SITTING ON COUNCIL RIGHT NOW. WELL MAYBE 1 OR 2 OF THEM MAY BE THERE NOW. BUT I MEAN JUST LIKE THIS BOARD, THIS IS A NEW BOARD. IT'S WELL SO THEN MY QUESTION WOULD BE CAN WE NOT AT THIS POINT, SINCE WE AT LEAST ASK YOU HAVE YET TO TRY TO MAKE NOT THAT EVERY WE DON'T WANT EVERYTHING TO LOOK THE SAME BUT JUST AS OVERALL WHAT THE DOWNTOWN AREA LOOKS LIKE TO HAVE A SAY SO IN PAINT. YES YOU CAN, YOU CAN ASK BECAUSE AS JASON
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SAID EARLIER, YOU CAN JUST LIKE A DEVELOPER CAN ASK ANYTHING, YOU CAN ASK ANYTHING. BUT AS THE PERSON SITTING HERE WHO WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO TYPE THIS UP, TYPE THE ORDINANCE UP, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT TO THE DETAIL THAT YOU'RE TALKING NOW. YOU CAN YOU CAN TALK IN GENERAL THAT, YOU KNOW, NOTHING HAS TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT IT HAS TO WHAT BLEND MATCH? NO, I WAS THINKING WE COULD JUST SAY SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE WE SUGGEST YOU USE THE PALETTES, THESE THESE PALETTES, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY US TO LIKE SOMETHING ABOUT UNIFORMITY OR CONTINUITY OR COHESIVE COHESIVENESS OR SOMETHING. BUT WHAT'S COHESIVE WHEN YOU HAVE STATED IN AND PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I'M NOT BEING ARGUMENTATIVE AT ALL. I WILL EVEN GO AS FAR TO SAY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS THIS BOARD HAD THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD, I THINK HAVE BEEN GREAT, BUT I'M THINKING IT FROM I HAVE TO WRITE IT AND ENFORCE IT, SO WHEN YOU SAY CONFORMITY, WHAT'S CONFORMITY? I MEAN, WHAT'S CONFORMITY WHEN YOU HAVE IN YOUR ORDINANCE THAT A NEW BUILD OR A DEVELOPMENT HAS TO SELECT A STYLE. SO YOU HAVE TO SAY, IS IT ARTS AND CRAFTS? IS IT VICTORIAN? IS IT COLONIAL? WELL, ONCE THEY'VE SELECTED THAT, ARE YOU GETTING DOWN INTO A PREFERENCE AS OPPOSED TO HOW AN ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN? BECAUSE IF I BUILD A HOUSE NEXT TO YOU AND YOU WANT BEIGE AND THEN I WANT PURPLE, WHICH I WOULD NEVER DO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I WANT PURPLE. BUT BUT YEAH, BUT AS THE BOARD, HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU DENY SOMEONE AND HOW DO YOU. WHAT'S THAT REASON THAT IT DOESN'T CONFORM TO THIS. YEAH AND I YEAH I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ENFORCE THAT. AND IF Y'ALL HAVE REASONS, PLEASE TELL ME. I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THAT SIMPLISTIC OF WELL, I THINK THIS CLASHES WITH THAT. SO YOU CAN'T PAINT THAT HOUSE THAT COLOR. I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT IT IT'S COHESIVE. IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE DOWNTOWN COMMITTEE. GET THE NAME OF THE COMMITTEE I'M ON STATE GOVERNMENT AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BENCHES AND SIGNS AND CONFORMITY THAT EVERYTHING'S CONFORM AND THEY LOOK RIGHT TOGETHER. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COLORS ARE KIND OF THE SAME THING OF WHAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO PUT DOWN THERE AS WELL, THAT THAT IT'S COHESIVE. IT'S I DON'T THINK WE'D EVER GET IT. BUT THEN DEFINE SO ARE THEY ARE THEY NOT? I MEAN, I THINK IT'S KIND OF IN THERE BECAUSE WE KIND OF HAVE TO GO WITH THE SHERWIN WILLIAMS HISTORIC PALETTE. RIGHT. AND SO THOSE COLORS FOR THE MOST PART, KIND OF GO TOGETHER. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO WITH THE SHERWIN WILLIAMS PALETTE IS ANY HISTORIC PLACE OR ANY HISTORIC, BUT IT'S STILL HISTORIC. IT'S A HISTORIC IT'S A HISTORIC PALETTE THAT HAS BEEN VETTED BY THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION AND GOT IT. AND IT'S NOT ABOUT IT BEING A HISTORIC COLOR. IT'S ABOUT IT. IT BEING COHESIVE WITH WHAT'S AROUND IT, ABOUT BEING ABOUT IT, LOOKING PROPER WITH WHAT'S AROUND IT, OR ARE STOPPING US FROM HAVE HAVING FIVE BLACK HOUSES IN A ROW OR FIVE PINK HOUSES IN A ROW, OR I MEAN, DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT LOOKS RIGHT WOULD LOOK RIGHT, BUT THAT'S A PREFERENCE. I MAY THINK IT DOES. AND THE NEXT PERSON MAY THINK IT DOES NOT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. I AGREE, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN ENFORCE. RIGHT. BECAUSE LIKE IF YOU WALK INTO YOUR LIVING ROOM AND THEN YOU WALK INTO MY LIVING ROOM, THEY'RE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DESIGN PREFERENCES. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BOARD GETTING LIKE AN OPINION ON THEIR HOUSE COLOR. RIGHT? LIKE I THINK GENERALLY HISTORIC PALETTE THAT'S. BUT I DON'T THINK GETTING ANY FARTHER DOWN IN LIKE THE NITTY GRITTY. I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE ABOUT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO KIND OF CONTROL. RIGHT. AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE AS THE PROPERTY OWNER, AS THE HOMEOWNER TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS? YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN IS I THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY TO FIGURE IT OUT. BUT I THINK IT MAY TAKE A SITUATION COMING UP THAT WE GO, YOU'RE LIKE, OH, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS ON. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN. I THINK REALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU CAN DO IT IS IF YOU[00:35:03]
LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF COLORS, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO IS PICK OFF OF THIS WHEEL.I DON'T THINK WE CAN GO FURTHER AND SAY, WELL, WE DON'T LIKE THE ONE THAT YOU PICKED OFF OF THIS WHEEL, BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK THAT IT MATCHES OR BLENDS WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THE ONLY WAY THAT I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IS IF YOU LIMIT THE OPTIONS ON THE HISTORIC COLOR WHEEL, WHICHEVER, WHATEVER THE VERSION IS. AND I'M NOT GOING TO LIE, I DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT ANY OF THE COLORS ARE, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT I THINK YOU CAN DO THAT.
OTHERWISE, IF YOU'RE TELLING SOMEBODY WE KNOW YOU PICKED OFF OF THE COLORS WE GAVE YOU, BUT WE DON'T LIKE THE ONE THAT YOU PICKED. SO GO PICK SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE WE DON'T FEEL, YOU KNOW, THIS. HOWEVER, MANY OF THE SEVEN OF US DON'T FEEL LIKE IT BLENDS WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO DESIGN YOUR THE EXTERIOR OF YOUR HOUSE FOR YOU. RIGHT? AND IF YOU RECALL WHEN WELL, YOU'RE PROBABLY SANDRA IS PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS ON THE BOARD. THE FIRST ROUND WHEN WE FIRST, DRAFTED THE DOWNTOWN ORDINANCE. I BELIEVE IT SAID THAT IT HAD TO BE A VALSPAR HISTORIC PALETTE. AND WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE, WHY DO WE WANT TO SINGLE OUT VALSPAR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT PAYING US. SO WE STILL LISTED THEM AND LISTED SHERWIN-WILLIAMS, BUT SAID ANY HISTORIC PALETTE. SO, YOU KNOW, IF WHATEVER COMPANY'S OUT THERE WE'RE NOT CATERING TO ANY ONE COMPANY. SO I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION THEN. LIKE IF IT SAYS HISTORIC PALETTE, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT'S BEEN APPROVED? LIKE LIKE THE STATE RECOGNIZES THAT THAT IS DEFINITELY A HISTORIC PALETTE OR CAN CAN A COMPANY JUST STICK HOT PINK IN THERE AND SAY IT'S HISTORIC? NOW THAT ANSWER, I DON'T HAVE. I DO KNOW THAT, THROUGHOUT THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION, THEY DO LIST SOME COMPANIES NOW, YOU KNOW, FLY BY NIGHT COMPANY. I CREATE A I GUESS THEY COULD YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, ART DECO HAD A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT CRAZY COLORS IN THERE. SO ART DECO, ART DECO. YEAH. WELL, THERE IS AN ART DECO PALETTE, SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS A COMPANY COULD, BUT THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION DOES HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LIST OF COMPANIES NOW HOW THEY VET THEM. I DON'T KNOW, GARY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? THIS ONE THING ABOUT THE COLOR STUFF. GO AHEAD. NO, NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE COLOR STUFF, BUT IT IS. I WROTE IT DOWN IN THIS SECTION. SO I WANT TO SAY BEFORE I FORGET. SO LET ME JUST SAY THAT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS UNTIL I FIGURE OUT ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING IT AND PRESENTING IT OKAY. AND WHAT I MEAN, AND IT MAY JUST TAKE SOMEONE PRESENTING SOMETHING. I MEAN, WE GO, YEAH, OH, OKAY. NOW I KNOW WHAT SHE'S DONE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THAT HAPPENS. I MEAN, THE LADY WITH THE HOUSE MADE US THINK A LOT. YEAH, YEAH. SO YES. YEAH, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS. SO THIS GOES BACK TO THAT WHOLE GARAGE THING I FOUND WHERE THERE'S DEFINITIONS, WHICH I THINK I TOUCH ON EMAIL ABOUT, BUT I NOTICED THAT IT'S THE WORDS ARE DEFINED, BUT THEY'RE NOT, LIKE, CAPITALIZED IN OUR ORDINANCE. AND I WOULD LIKE THEM CAPITALIZED ONLY BECAUSE. AND WHEN YOU'RE CREATING LIKE A LEGAL DOCUMENT, YOU DEFINE THEM AND THEN YOU CAPITALIZE THEM. BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND WHAT THAT WAS. BUT I DID NOT REALIZE THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY DEFINED ALREADY, WHICH I IF I WOULD HAVE CAPITALIZED, IT WOULD HAVE I WOULD HAVE KNOWN WHEN WE HAD THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER HER GARAGE WAS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IN THE DEFINITIONS, IT'S ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE ZONING ORDINANCE OR THE CODE OF ORDINANCE? SO OUR ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE CHANGING. YEAH, OKAY. BUT I ASSUME IT'S PULLED FROM THIS. RIGHT. LIKE, YEAH, THAT IS SO FOR LANDMARK. IS THAT CHAPTER 58. YEAH. SO THERE'S NO DEFINITIONS FOR ANY OF THIS STUFF IN HERE. SO WHEN WE SAY LIKE A NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, IF SOME PARTS OF THIS SECTION 6.3 HAS SOME DEFINITIONS, THEN THERE ARE DEFINITIONS FOR THE OVERALL ZONING ORDINANCE. THAT'S WHAT SECTION TEN. SO THESE DEFINITIONS UNDER SECTION 58 DASH 20 WHAT DO THESE DEFINITIONS GO TO. LANDMARKS. LANDMARKS. THAT IS THE LANDMARKS FOR THE CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR THE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCE, NOT FOR THE ZONING ORDINANCE. OKAY, SO THEN WHERE WE WHERE WE DEFINING OUR OUR WORDS. WHAT DEFINITIONS ARE WE USING TO DEFINE SOME OF THEM ARE IN THIS SECTION AND THEN SOME ARE IN ARTICLE TEN. I CAN WELL WHAT IS IT SPECIFIC DEFINITION THAT YOU'RE JUST LOOKING FOR? SHE WAS SPEAKING ABOUT. THERE'S SO MUCH CONFUSION ABOUT. YEAH. BECAUSE I
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THINK THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF IS COMING DOWN TO IS WHAT ALL THE DEFINED WORDS ARE LIKE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND ALL OF THAT. SO FOR ME I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT IS DEFINED. SO IT'S LIKE I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS LIKE. BUT FOR EXAMPLE LIKE RIGHT HERE I HAVE LIKE THE SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATIONS AS LISTED BELOW, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, BUT I THINK LIKE, YOU KNOW, OVER HERE, IT TALKS ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND IN-KIND REPAIRS OR SOMETHING. SO LIKE MAYBE WE COULD SAY LIKE SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATIONS, WHICH IS ANYTHING OTHER THAN MAINTENANCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO BUT WE KNOW WHAT MAINTENANCE MEANS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO IT'S LIKE THE MAINTENANCE I GET THAT THAT DOESN'T BELONG THERE. RIGHT. BUT MY POINT IS, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO READ THIS AND WE USE WORDS LIKE FLURRY OR WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.GOTCHA. WHAT THAT DEFINING IT. YEAH. OKAY. WHICH DEFINITIONS TO GO OFF OF. YEAH. OKAY. AND WHAT WAS THIS SOMETHING IN THERE THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT, ABOUT THE PAINTING AS IT HAD TO DO WITH CHANGING THE CODE. I MEAN, CHANGING THE OUTSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. DO YOU REMEMBER ON THE STAGE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN HERE IN THIS MEETING? WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT. RENOVATION, AS IT HAD TO DO WITH PAINTING A BUILDING THAT HAD NEVER BEEN PAINTED BEFORE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S NOT IN THIS SECTION. I THINK IT'S ANOTHER SECTION SOMEPLACE ELSE. YEAH.
OKAY. WELL, THAT WAS WHAT YOU WERE TALKING. PAINTING A BUILDING THAT HAS NEVER BEEN PAINTED. I THINK IT WAS LISTED UNDER DISCOURAGED OR SOMETHING, BUT WE REMOVED ALL THAT. I THINK IT MIGHT BE. I THINK IT MIGHT STILL BE HERE. I COULD BE WRONG, BUT IT'S LATER. OKAY. IF IT IS OKAY, WE'LL FUND IT. OKAY ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE O, ON. OH, I'M ON 19, 22. SO ARE WE DONE? ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK ON PAINT? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON PAGE 19.
NONCONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. DOES THAT NEED TO HAVE THE DASH DO? WHAT DOES IT NEED? THE HYPHEN, THE NONCONTRIBUTING. SORRY. GRAMMAR, SPELLING, PUNCTUATION. I WAS LIKE, I FEEL LIKE THAT NEEDS. YES. OKAY. YEP GOT IT. SO HERE'S I'M ON PAGE 23. SECTION SIX, ROMAN NUMERAL THREE. I AM REMOVING THAT PART THAT SAYS THE COMMISSION WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND THIS IS JUST IN REGARDS TO LANDMARKS. SO THIS WAS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, BASED ON THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, THE LEGISLATIVE I THINK IT WAS THE LAST SESSION THEY CHANGED IT WHERE ANY LANDMARKS, COUNCIL CAN GIVE THE AUTHORITY TO THE COMMISSION, I BELIEVE. YES, TO GRANT A LANDMARK, UNLESS A PROPERTY OWNER DOES NOT WANT IT. AND YOU WANT TO FORCE THEM TO HAVE IT, THEN IT HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL. HOW DARE US? YEAH OKAY. OKAY, IF YOU WILL, ON PAGE 24, SUBSECTION E, C, JUST IF EVERYONE WOULD JUST TAKE A MINUTE AND READ THAT AND I WONDER IF THIS CAN KIND OF HELP YOU GET TO THAT WHOLE, BEEN IN CONFORMITY OR MAINTAINING CHARACTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THA. BUT THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION. YEAH. WHERE IS THE LIKE, RENOVATIONS? LIKE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT TALKS ABOUT EXISTING STRUCTURES LIKE THIS OR. NO, ONLY ON JUST, THE SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATION IN COMMON, ROUTINE MAINTENANCE.
AND KIND OF WHAT THIS SECTION, THIS PARAGRAPH REALLY TAKES THE PLACE OF ALL THE ENCOURAGE THIS, DISCOURAGE THAT. BECAUSE I REMEMBER WE HAD A CONVERSATION WHERE WE WANTED TO KIND OF HAVE
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A LITTLE BIT MORE MEAT, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, SO WE DID REMOVE THE, THE ENCOURAGE AND DISCOURAGE, AND THEN JUST REPLACED IT WITH, WITH THIS, I DO HAVE ONE THING ABOUT THIS, SO TOWARDS THE END IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE IT AS AN INFILL INTO THE DISTRICT, OUR NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BEHIND AN EXISTING RESIDENCE. IS THERE A REASON WHY WE SAY BEHIND, LIK, COULD IT BE ON THE SIDE OR ANYWHERE ELSE? DOES THAT MATTER? I WANT TO SAY, AND I'D HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH IF IT'S STILL IN HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS. AT ONE POINT WE HAD THAT YOU COULD NOT BUILD AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE SIDE FRONT, SO MIDWAY THE MIDPOINT ON THE SIDE DIDN'T SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND WHAT THAT THE REASON FOR THAT IS YOU WANTED TO SEE THE MAIN STRUCTURE. YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. SO THAT'S WHY. SO IT WAS BUILD IT BEHIND MIDWAY MIDWAY OR BACK BACK. RIGHT OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE NEW ROW HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT ON ON BALLARD, THAT GARAGE IS SET BACK. WELL THAT WAS THE SIDE THAT WAS BUILT UNDER THE OLD CODE. SO IT HAD TO BE MIDPOINT AND BACK. YES OKAY. SO YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S STILL ALLOWED MIDPOINT AND BACK, I'LL JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GO READ THROUGH HERE AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE OKAY. IT SHOULD STILL BE ALLOWED MIDPOINT. YOU HAVE SUCH SMALL LOTS LIKE YES THAT YOUNG LADY ON THAT CORNER. IT HAD TO BE A SEPARATE STRUCTURE. IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY BEHIND. SO YOU HAD TO HAVE A BIGGER LOT, BUT IT HAD TO BE MIDPOINT. OKAY, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S COVERED. WHAT ABOUT, LET'S FINISH THIS FIRST.GO AHEAD. OH, YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE. OKAY. WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE? SO ON THE DEMOLITION, WE DID ADD BASED ON DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION, THAT PRIOR DEMOLITION OR STRUCTURE LETTER FROM A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IS REQUIRED. IF THE REQUEST IS BASED ON A LACK OF INTEGRITY AND STRUCTURAL SOUNDNESS. OH. WAIT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS PAGE TOO. SORRY FOR ALL MY QUESTION. OH, NO, ON NUMBER FOUR, UNDER THE DEMOLITION, IT SAYS IF IT'S PROPOSED REPLACEMENT WOULD NOT MAKE A POSITIVE VISUAL CONTRIBUTION, WOULD DISRUPT THE CHARACTER OR BE VISUALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE RARELY OBVIOUSLY GET WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IF THEY'RE GOING TO DEMOLISH, ESPECIALLY WITH, LIKE, THE EDC AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO HOW DO WE MAKE THAT DETERMINATION IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD? BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME THEY KNOW SOMETIMES THEY THEY DON'T KNOW. THEY JUST AT THE TIME THEY WELL, THEY DON'T TELL THEY DON'T SHOW US ANYTHING AHEAD OF TIME ANYWAY. YEAH, THEY MIGHT KNOW, BUT THEY DON'T SHOW US, THEY, WE'RE JUST LIKE THAT HOUSE. AND THEN THE BUILDING UP ON BALLARD.
WELL, AND IF THEY. SO IF THEY DEMOLISH. SO THEY HAVE TO COME TO US TO DEMOLISH IT, BUT THEN TO REBUILD IT, WOULD THEY NOT HAVE TO COME? YES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME. THEY WOULD HAVE.
SO BUT WHAT. SO MAYBE. YEAH, WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY MADE THE DETERMINATION ON THE DEMOLITION BEFORE THEY EVER CAME BACK TO US TO SHOW US WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD. OH YEAH. I WOULD THINK, OR I WOULD PROPOSE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THAT JUST NUMBER FOUR IS TAKEN OFF, BECAUSE IF SOMEONE COMES TO YOU TO DEMOLISH THEIR BUILDING, IF IT'S STRUCTURALLY NOT SOUND, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU BASE YOUR DETERMINATION ON. IF THEY'RE JUST WANTING TO DEMOLISH IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MARKET IT AND BUILD SOMETHING NEW, THEN WHAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT THERE SHOULD NOT BE A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER YOU ALLOW THEM TO DEMOLISH IT, BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD, YOU CAN STILL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT THAT DEMOLISH DEMOLITION, DEMOLITION OR NOT. THANK YOU. SO THAT ONE PROBABLY NEEDS TO GO AWAY. YEAH. BECAUSE IS THAT OKAY? YEAH. YEAH I WAS JUST GOING TO LIKE ALSO ASK IS THERE ANYTHING ON THE APPLICATION PROCESS WHERE THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU ASK WHAT WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO PUT IN ITS PLACE OR ANYTHING. AND THEN IF THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW, BUT THEN THE VERY NEXT DAY THEY COME WITH BLUEPRINT. OBVIOUSLY YEAH, YEAH. AND THE THING IS, IS EVEN ON THE APPLICATION FOR DEMOLITION, THEY COULD SAY, OH YES, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS RIGHT. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL THEY SUBMIT. YEAH. UNLESS IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. AND YEAH IT'S NOT WORTH ANYTHING. AND TO
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ME YOU KNOW, IT, IT ALSO ALLOWS YOU MORE SCRUTINY TO ASK THE QUESTION. AND AGAIN THEY CAN SIT AND SAY ANYTHING, BUT YOU STILL HAVE THE AUTHORITY BEFORE THEY CAN BUILD ANYTHING AGAIN, YOU WILL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REVIEW THAT OKAY. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE NUMBER FOUR OKAY.ANYTHING ELSE? THE ALL DEMOLITIONS DO COME BEFORE THE HRC RIGHT. THERE'S NO THERE'S NO AREAS WHERE A DEMOLITION WOULD BE STAFF APPROVAL. NO NOT THAT I CAN THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. OKAY. YEAH. SEE. SO ON PAGE 27, THE PARKING. YEAH. WE TOOK ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL USES OVER 4000FT■!S, CAN HAVE 25% OF 25% OF THEIR PARKING. CAN BE PROVIDED ON STREET. WE TOOK ALL OF THAT OUT AND BASICALLY JUST PUT A SIMPLE PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS IF PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE SUCH THAT IT IS DIFFICULT TO REHABILITATE A BUILDING OR CONSTRUCT A NEW BUILDING WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE LOT, THEN THE APPLICANT CAN PETITION TO THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES, AND THAT WOULD JUST BE ON A CASE BY CASE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY PLEAD THEIR PLEA, THEIR CASE TO YOU AS TO WHAT THAT USE IS. YOU KNOW, WE SAID A LOT OF TIMES, LIKE WITH A ONE MAN INSURANCE COMPANY, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE MAY SAY AN OFFICE BUILDING REQUIRES ONE SPACE OVER 300, BUT IT'S A SMALL HOUSE THAT THEY'RE CONVERTING FOR AN OFFICE, AND THEY ONLY NEED ONE SPOT, BUT IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME TO YOU ALL. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THAT PARAGRAPH TAKES. ALL THAT 4000FT■!S AND ALL THOSE CALCULATIONS TAKES THAT OUT.
WHAT IS YOUR NOW THAT IT'S ON THIS ONE? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THIS OTHER ONE THOUGH. PAGE 28. OH, THAT LITTLE NOTE. MY LITTLE COMMENT THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE COMMENT FROM THE VERY LAST MEETING THAT THAT'S WHY WE TOOK ALL THIS, ALL THE STUFF YOU SEE IN RED. WE TOOK ALL THAT OUT. OKAY. AND THEN THE BIG AD WE DID GO OVER THIS LAST TIME, BUT, WE'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT WHAT'S HERE. SO IN THIS ORDINANCE I AM ON PAGE 30, UNDER SUBSECTION C, IDENTIFYING FEATURES. WHAT CAN I STOP YOU? SORRY. BECAUSE I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING BEFORE THAT.
YES. AND MY PAGE NUMBERS ARE ON THERE, SO. OH YEAH. THAT'S THE ONE RIGHT THERE. SO WHAT IS THAT UNDER FOUR. IT TALKS ABOUT THE BASICALLY HOW GENERALLY THEY WANT, YOU KNOW COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO OF THE FOLLOWING, SO FOR EXAMPLE THE LOU AND BEEF PROJECT THAT JUST CAME BEFORE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE. SO IF LIKE A PROJECT COMES BEFORE US AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE, ARE WE ALLOWED TO LIKE, DOES THIS SAY THAT WE CAN TELL THEM THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE TWO OF THESE? I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE STYLE OF THE BUILDING. I MEAN, YOU FOR LOU AND B, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ASK THEM TO GO IN AND PUT CORNICES OR PILASTERS ON THAT BUILDING. RIGHT SO, LET ME LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE I WAS THINKING THAT THIS WAS JUST PERTAINING TO NEW BUILDINGS, NEW CONSTRUCTION. BUT I COULD BE WRONG. WELL, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE I DON'T WANT THE COUNCIL TO FEEL LIKE WE MISSED SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY ASKED, WHY DIDN'T WHY DON'T YOU HAVE THIS ON THERE? WE WANT YOU TO PUT THAT ON THERE. I DON'T WANT THEM TO FEEL LIKE WE MISSED IT. SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. LIKE LOU AND B, A BUILDING LIKE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAVE REALLY ANY TYPE OF ARCHITECTURAL. YEAH, YEAH. DESIGN STYLE. DESIGN STYLE. YEAH. OR ARE THEY, THEY WANT US TO ADD IT. SHOULD WE I MEAN WE'VE BEEN THE ONES THAT SAY THAT AND INSTEAD IT GOT TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL ASK. TRYING TO THINK HOW TO I DON'T KNOW
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TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ANSWER IF I THINK RIGHT. I THINK WE WERE THINKING IT IF THIS WAS A BUILDING THAT LOOKED RIGHT, A CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, WE WOULD BE SAYING, WHERE ARE YOUR ELEMENTS? RIGHT BUT THIS BUILDING NOT HAVING IT, WE DIDN'T THINK WE WOULDN'T EVEN THINK TO ASK THAT. BUT THEN COUNCIL ASKED, SO AND I WOULD NOT HAVE THOUGHT TO DIRECT YOU TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT THE STYLE OF THAT BUILDING. AND IT WASN'T A NEW BUILD. SO THAT'S PROBABLY SOME CONVERSATIONS STAFF NEEDS TO HAVE WITH COUNCIL. WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS? YES. AND I'M NOT SURE I DON'T KNOW. YEAH I AGREE YEAH OKAY. BUT EVERYTHING THAT I'M READING IN THIS SECTION THIS IS FOR NEW BUILDINGS OKAY. AND AGAIN IF, IF IT'S A RENOVATION OF A BUILDING THAT HAS A DEFINED STYLE, YOU ALL ARE GOING TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS BASED ON THAT DESIGN STYLE IF. YEAH. BECAUSE I'M THINKING MORE LIKE HOUSES MORE THAN BUILDINGS PER SE. AND A HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SEVERAL LITTLE HOUSES AROUND ME THAT WERE BOUGHT AND REDONE.LET'S SAY IT'S A HOUSE THAT HAS NO STYLE AT ALL, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO READ, THEY'RE GOING TO COMPLETELY DO A MAJOR REMODEL. WE WOULD ASK THEM WHAT'S WHAT ARCHITECTURAL STYLE ARE YOU GOING FOR. AND THEN THAT WAY WE WOULD KNOW WHAT FEATURES TO ASK ABOUT EXACTLY. OKAY. EXACTLY.
I HAD A QUESTION, RENEE, ABOUT I LIKE ADDING THE IDENTIFYING FEATURES AND THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. I LIKE PUTTING THESE. YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL, THE NATIONAL FOLK, VICTORIAN. I HAD A QUESTION. WOULD WE NOT? AND IF COULD WE NOT ADD RANCH? YES, WE CAN, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT STYLE GOING FORWARD. WHICH I'M ALREADY GOING TO POINT OUT IN THE MATERIALS FOR A HOUSE, WE HAVE THE SIDING. WE SAY THAT IT HAS TO BE WOOD OR WOOD COMPOSITE. SO I THINK WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THAT. IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW RANCH, WHICH ARE TYPICALLY YES. RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT. YES AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING WITH HISTORIC IS AS WE'RE DEFINING, CONTRIBUTING AND NONCONTRIBUTING, WE'RE DEFINING THAT 50 YEAR MARK, THAT 100 YEAR MARK AND STYLES ARE GOING TO CHANGE. YES, STYLES ARE GOING TO CHANGE. YES, YOU ARE CORRECT. SO THAT PART WILL HAVE AND I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT LATER AND IT WOULD BE OUT BASED ON THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE THAT YOU'RE DOING. IN OTHER WORDS, I WOULDN'T GO IN THERE AND BUILD A CRAFTSMAN AND STICK BRICK ON IT, EXCEPT IT HAS BRICK COLUMNS, RIGHT? A LOT OF THEM HAVE BRICK COLUMNS. BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT WE TOOK THAT PART OUT THE SIDIN.
THE, YEAH. WHEREVER THAT PART IS, IT IS ON. I DON'T IS IT. IT LOOKS LIKE THIS. SORRY, I DON'T HAVE PAGE THE CORRECT PAGE NUMBERS, BUT IT HAS THIS LITTLE HOUSE. OH YES. THAT HOUSE IS MARKED OUT. THAT'S WHERE. YEAH, THE SIDING IS. OH, YEAH. THAT HOUSE, THAT ALL THAT'S MARKED.
THAT HOUSE IS ALL MARKED OUT. YEAH, YEAH. SO WE'LL HAVE TO, TO UPDATE. I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT. THAT SECTION. YEAH. YEP OKAY. I, IF WE HAVE IDENTIFYING FEATURES FOR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, DO WE NEED TO DO THE SAME FOR COMMERCIAL. SINCE WE HAVE COMMERCIAL BELOW. WE CAN I THINK THE COMMERCIAL WILL PROBABLY BE 2 OR 3 PARAGRAPHS. OKAY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE AS MANY. YEAH. THERE'S NOT AS YOU KNOW IT'S. YEAH A CORNICE PILASTERS, BRICK TWO STORY, YOU KNOW, A HEIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I CAN DEFINITELY LOOK MORE INTO THAT AND SEE HOW WE CAN RESTRUCTURE THAT COMMERCIAL SECTION. OKAY ONE OTHER THING. I THINK THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT BEFORE ON THIS IS, IT HAS THE USE OF FOUNDATION PLANNINGS TO SOFTEN AND CONCEAL THE FOUNDATION, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T CONTROL, BUT IT'S IN HERE, SO WE PROBABLY SHOULD BREAK THAT APART. TALK ABOUT TAKING THAT OUT, IT IS RIGHT BEFORE THE IDENTIFYING FEATURES SECTION FOR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. OH, THE USE OF SKIRTING. YEAH. NUMBER EIGHT. I THINK. WE PULLED IT OUT
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IN ONE SPOT, AND THEN WE MOVED IT ON PAGE 30. OH. MOVED IT OVER. OKAY OKAY. WE CAN CLEAN THAT UP. I MEAN, IF WE COULD ENFORCE IT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT, YEAH, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I WANT TO BE REMINDED OF EVERY TIME WE. EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY THAT HOUSE, I'M REMINDED OF IT.OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WHERE ARE WE AT WITH YOU FOR YOUR. I THINK I'M DONE. WHEN YOU MAKE ANY CHANGES IN THE SIGN PORTION. OH IN ARCHITECTURAL STYLES. WHAT ABOUT, MID-CENTURY? WE CAN ADD THAT BECAUSE I MUST SAY, RANCH AND MID-CENTURY BOTH COMING IN KIND OF AROUND THE SAME TIME FRAMES. OR WAS ONE EARLIER THAN THE OTHER? I THOUGHT MID-CENTURY WAS EARLIER. YEAH. YEAH, IT WAS EARLIER. BUT, I'LL MAKE SURE WE HAVE KIND OF LIKE A DISCLAIMER IN HERE ALSO THAT WHATEVER WE LIST IS NOT ALL INCLUSIVE. YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT. OKAY. UNDER SEE WHERE IT SAYS WAS THE I GUESS THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 30. IT SAYS ALTHOUGH YOUR HOUSE EXACTL. THIS LIST IS NOT INTENDED TO BE ALL INCLUSIVE. OKAY. VERY GOOD. AND WHAT I DID FROM FOR A LOT OF THESE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU FIND THESE IN ALL HISTORICAL AREAS. BUT I ACTUALLY DID A GOOGLE STREET VIEW AND JUST KIND OF GOOGLED ON THE MAP ALL THE STREETS DOWNTOWN AND JUST TRYING TO PULL OUT HOUSES THAT I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD MENTION. SO SOME WE HAVE, SOME WE DON'T. SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW I GOT TO THAT LIST. YEAH. OH, HERE IT IS. ALSO THIS, THE BOOK THAT, RENEE REFERENCES A FIELD GUIDE TO AMERICAN HOUSES, VIRGINIA SAVAGE MCALISTER, I'VE GOT 4 OR 5 COPIES OF THAT. I PULLED 4 OR 5 COPIES FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN TAKING A COPY AND, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH IT AND LOOKING AT IT, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING. IT IS. I'LL BRING IT, YEAH, I'LL BRING IT. AND I WANT TO SAY SHE'S FROM DALLAS.
IS SHE REALLY I, I THINK SO IT SEEMED LIKE IN ONE OF HER BOOKS I READ SOMETHING THAT MADE ME THINK SHE'S GIVEN TO ME AS A GIFT. AND THEN I WENT AND FOUND I JUST WENT TO SOME OLD BOOKSTORES AND PULLED COPIES OF IT. AND I HAVE ONE IN MY OFFICE. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO EVER LOOK THROUGH IT, YOU JUST HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK, BECAUSE I LIVE AND BREATHE. READING THROUGH THAT BOOK, I KNOW, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD TO HAVE COPIES THAT I COULD BRING UP, AND PEOPLE COULD JUST, YEAH, CHECK THEM OUT OF MY LIBRARY. SHE IS FROM DALLAS, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE BUILDING MATERIALS OF COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES, SO WE LIST A LOT OF MATERIALS THAT CAN BE USED, LIKE BRICK AND STONE, CAST IRON AND ALL THAT. BUT GOING BACK TO LUMBEE FOR EXAMPLE, THEY USED ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND DOORS AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT LISTED. I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING I WANT TO ADD IT, BUT. YEAH, RIGHT. YEAH. I MEAN, BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO LIKE CROSS OUR, OUR T'S AND DOT ALL OUR I'S SHOULD WE TALKING ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION OR EXISTING EVEN EXISTING AND REPLACED WHEN THEY REPLACE IT. DON'T WE WANT TO STILL GO WITH A. DO WE WANT TO GO STAY WITH PARTICULAR MATERIALS? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WITH LU AND B IT WAS IT, BUT IT WAS FINE. IT WAS APPROPRIATE. IT WAS ALUMINUM BEFORE. YEAH THAT I MEAN I DON'T KNOW, THE PREVIOUS OWNERS CHANGED IT I GUESS AT SOME POINT. YEAH. SO I MEAN I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION. I WAS JUST BRINGING IT UP FOR EVERYBODY TO TALK ABOUT. WILL WE NOT LOOK AT, THE FACT WHETHER WHETHER IT'S A CONTRIBUTING OR NON CONTRIBUTING, I MEAN TO A POINT I THINK ALL OF THAT HAS TO YOU KNOW, TO ME, THE DEFINING POINTS OF INTEREST I GUESS WOULD BE IS IT A NEW BUILD OR IS IT CONTRIBUTING OR NOT CONTRIBUTING? I AGREE, THEN IT
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KIND OF SETS YOU OFF IN WHAT DIRECTION TO GO IN, RIGHT? WITH YOUR QUESTION. RIGHT. WELL, SO, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE IF SO, IF THEY HAD COME AND THEY HAD WOOD WINDOWS BEFORE DOORS AND THEY WANTED A PLACE WITH ALUMINUM AND I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION OF WHY. RIGHT. SO WE WOULD HAVE GONE PAST STAFF REVIEW TO US BECAUSE HE'S CHANGING THE MATERIALS FOR EXAMPLE. OKAY. GOTCHA. OKAY. WELL, I THINK THAT'S COVERED UNDER THE RENOVATION PIECE OF IT BECAUSE IT SAYS BASICALLY, IF YOU'RE DOING ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF PAINT LIKE IT'S COMING. SO RIGH.ANYTHING ELSE WE'RE DONE WITH ALL THAT. YEP OH NO. THE SIDING SECTION RIGHT THERE. SORRY. THE SIDING SECTION RIGHT BELOW THE BUILDING MATERIALS FOR COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES, IT TALKS ABOUT HOW IT HAS TO BE THE WOOD SIDING AND OR COMPOSITE. YES. I HAVE THAT HIGHLIGHTED. WILL, UPDATE THAT. OKAY YES. OKAY ARE YOU READY TO MOVE ON? OKAY SO THIS LAST PART IS THAT, PAGE 42, HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE IDENTIFYING FEATURES GUIDELINE. SO THIS WILL BE NOT PART OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT LIKE JUST A SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL TO HELP, A POTENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER, IDENTIFY THE TYPE OF STRUCTURE. SO, WHAT I NEED FOR, I MEAN, MOST OF THIS IS COVERED IN THE ORDINANCE. WE'RE JUST PULLING IT INTO A SUPPLEMENTAL THAT WE WOULD HAND OUT TO A POTENTIAL DEVELOPER. PICTURES. YOU KNOW, EVERY BOOK YOU LOOK IN, THERE'S A PICTURE OF A HOUSE THAT NONE OF US KNOW WHERE THAT HOUSE IS, AND WE'LL NEVER SEE IT. BUT I THOUGHT, WHY NOT DO A GUIDELINE WITH HOUSES THAT ARE HERE, YOU KNOW, REALLY MAKE IT WYLY'S GUIDELINE, SO, THIS FIRST PICTURE. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S JUST A STOCK PICTURE THAT I GOT OUT OF, VIRGINIA SAVAGE'S BOOK.
BUT LIKE, THE QUEEN ANNE, THAT'S A PICTURE OF THE BROWN HOUSE. I COULD PUT THAT IN BECAUSE CITY OWNS IT, THE OTHER PICTURE ON THE LAST PAGE IS CHAIRMAN STONE'S HOUSE, AND SHE DID GIVE ME PERMISSION TO PUT IT IN HERE. SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THE LETTER THAT'S IN HERE IS JUST A GENERIC LETTER WE KIND OF TYPED UP THAT WE WOULD SEND TO POTENTIAL HOMEOWNERS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO USE THEIR HOUSE, A PICTURE OF THEIR HOUSE. THEY CAN EITHER PROVIDE US ONE OR WE'LL GO TAKE A PICTURE OR WE'LL DO GOOGLE STREET VIEW AND INCLUDE IT IN THE PACKET, THEY WOULD GIVE US THE PERMISSION. AND ON THE VERY LAST PAGE I HAVE A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES THAT JUST BY STREET VIEW, I THOUGHT WOULD BE GOOD TO REACH OUT TO IF THERE ARE OTHERS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF.
OR EVEN NOT RESIDENTIAL, EVEN IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT YOU THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE. YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW AND WE CAN GET THESE LETTERS OUT. BUT I THINK IT WOULD AGAIN, THE DISCLAIMER WOULD BE, THIS ISN'T ALL INCLUSIVE, BUT TO AT LEAST GIVE THAT POTENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER AN IDEA OF, HEY, I HAVE THIS VACANT LAND NOW. THE HOUSE HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED. I WANT TO BUILD A CRAFTSMAN. WHAT ARE THOSE CHARACTERISTICS? THEY CAN GO TO THIS BOOK AND YOU KNOW, IT MAY MAKE ALL OF OUR JOBS A LITTLE EASIER. THEY HAVE THE GUIDELINES. THEY GO BY THAT EVEN IF THEY GO BY THE EXACT GUIDELINES. BRING IT TO US, YOU. IT WILL STILL COME TO THE BOARD.
IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT THAT STAFF WOULD. I THINK IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT GIVES THEM SOMETHING TO LOOK AT THAT'S ALREADY IN THE DISTRICT. YES, YES. SO THEY HAVE A THOUGHT OF WHAT AGAIN? WHAT WOULD BE COHESIVE OR WHAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NEXT TO THEM, THEY'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT BECAUSE I KNOW IT CAME UP EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFYING FEATURES. AND THERE'S A GOOD SECTION ON RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, BUT AND I KNOW WE WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, BUT IS THERE A REFERENCE MATERIAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE TO KIND OF BASE THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OFF OF AS WELL, SINCE WE'RE USING A BOOK FOR THE RESIDENTIAL? OKAY, YES. MOST OF THAT WILL PROBABLY COME SOME FROM THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION. AND THEN JUST LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES LIKE MCKINNEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THE CORNICE, THE BALUSTERS, THE PORCH. YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE YOUR BASIC IDENTIFYING FEATURES. BUT WE'LL TRY TO NARROW IT DOWN. JUST GRABBING INFORMATION FROM OTHERS AND THEN PRESENT THAT BACK TO YOU FOR APPROVAL. IT'S A GREAT IDEA, RENEE. I LIKE IT. AT LEAST IT
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DOESN'T JUST LEAVE THEM GOING OFF ON THEIR OWN. YEAH, KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA. YEAH AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ORDINANCES OR WHAT? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT? YEAH. SO OUR NEXT STEP WILL START WORKING ON THIS. GETTING IT ALL DRAFTED UP, I KNOW JASON HAS SOME THINGS THAT HE'S WORKING ON ON OTHER PARTS OF THE ORDINANCE THAT HAS TO GO TO PNC. SO THE PLAN IS WE'LL HAVE ALL THIS, IN AN ACTION ITEM BACK TO YOU, AUGUST 25TH. HOPEFULLY AND THEN FROM THERE, YOUR RECOMMENDATION WILL GO TO P AND Z, RIGHT? JASON AND THE WAY IT READS THAT IT GOES, THEIR RECOMMENDATION GOES TO COUNCIL. BUT WE'LL COME HERE FIRST. THEN WE'LL GO TO P AND Z.AND THEN WE PUT THOSE TWO TOGETHER AND WE SEND IT TO COUNCIL. YEAH. SO WE'RE LOOKING PROBABLY OCTOBER BEFORE IT'S ACTUALLY FULLY ADOPTED. BUT YOU YOU WILL SEE IT AGAIN BE WELL BEFORE THEN. THAT'S ALL. WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK. YOU AND JASON IN THE TIME YOU SPEND ON IT, WE APPRECIATE IT. I THINK IT'S COME A LONG WAY. YES. SINCE WE FIRST STARTED WORKING ON IT.
YEAH. ALL RIGHT. IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO. I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I SECOND CAST YOUR VOT. AND I DO WANT TO THANK THE NEW, NEW MEMBERS. WE'RE MISSING ONE, RIGHT? ONE. OKAY I GAVE HIM SAME WITH YOU. YOU GAVE HIM THE SAME. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS IT PASSED
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