D. Consider, and act upon, the award of contract #W2024-01-I Community Park and East Meadow Restrooms to RFL, a CorWorth Company, in the amount of $670,900.00, and authorizing the City Manager to execute any and all necessary documents.

[D. Consider, and act upon, the award of contract #W2024-01-I Community Park and East Meadow Restrooms to RFL, a CorWorth Company, in the amount of $670,900.00, and authorizing the City Manager to execute any and all necessary documents.]

CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE AWARD OF CONTRACT. W 2024-01. DASH I COMMUNITY PARK IN EAST MEADOW RESTROOMS TO R F L. A CORE WORTH COMPANY IN THE AMOUNT OF $670,900 AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. UM MR STARS BEFORE YOU START MR MALIKI OR COUNCIL UNLEASHED. I BELIEVE YOU HAD ASKED FOR THIS TO BE PULLED. SO IF YOU WOULD ASK, MR TOWERS, WHAT QUESTIONS YOU HAVE? YES THANK YOU, MAYOR. MR TOWERS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT . UM JUST HAD A COUPLE OF CONCERNS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC AND EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT. UM WHILE WE ARE REBUILDING THESE RESTROOMS THERE STARTED FROM SCRATCH. WELL, THERE WHAT'S THE USE OF THE RESTROOM FOR THE FOLKS THAT WILL BE USED IN THE PARK? IS THERE ANY ALTERNATIVES? PUERTO PARTY SAID. THERE IS ANY OR WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR IT? YES, SIR. SO UNFORTUNATELY WE DO HAVE TO REMOVE THE EXISTING ONE SOON. WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT POSSIBLY THE END OF THIS MONTH OR EARLY NEXT MONTH. BUT WE WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, PORTABLE TOILETS IN PLACE. I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY THREE. THAT WILL BE THERE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DURATION. AH IN ADDITION, ALSO THE BASEBALL BASEBALL CONCESSION STAND RATIONAL, BE OPEN THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS AS WELL. AND MY MAIN CONCERN WAS DURING THE BASEBALL TOURNAMENT AND THAT LAST PROBABLY FOR ANOTHER THREE OR FOUR WEEKS, WHICH MOST OF THE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THAT. MOST OF THE TRAFFIC WILL BE THERE, SO THAT WAS KIND OF ONE OF THE CONCERNS. UM THE SECOND CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS I DROVE BY THE JUST THE OTHER DAY BEING THAT ONE OF MY KIDS PLAYS BASEBALL, AND WE DO HAVE A TAPED AREA CURRENTLY. BUT THAT TAPE IS ABOUT MAYBE 3 FT. TALL. SO WHILE WE'RE DOING CONSTRUCTION, WILL THERE BE SOME SORT OF FENCING AROUND THAT AREA. BEING THAT FLIP THAT SMALLER KIDS CANNOT GO THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION AREA AND GOD FORBID, GET HURT OR WHATNOT. YES SIR. SO ALL OF THAT WILL BE SO I BELIEVE THEY'VE THEY HAVE CAUTION TAPE THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE DEMOED, SOME SIDEWALKS, SOME SOME CONCRETE THAT THEY'VE TAKEN OUT ONCE THEY START EXCAVATING AND ACTUALLY MOVING DIRT. THERE WILL BE ORANGE CONSTRUCTION FENCING OVER THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE WORK. WORLD THE BASKETBALL COURTS. IMPECCABLE CORDS BE CLOSED AS WELL. OR IS THAT GOING TO BE OPEN AND FENCE JUST AROUND IT. IT'LL JUST BE FENCED AROUND THE CONSTRUCTION AREA, SO WE STILL WILL BE HAVING PICKLEBALL BASKETBALL. THE PLAYGROUND WILL STILL BE OPEN. THE PAVILION WILL STILL ALLOWED TO BE USED.

HOWEVER WE HAVE SUSPENDED DOING ANY RESERVATIONS SO THAT SHOULD ALSO HELP WITH YOU KNOW THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT COULD BE OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO USE THE RESTROOMS. TO HELP ANSWER YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR JUST TO CONFIRM SO THE BID THAT WE'RE APPROVING THE CONTRACT DOES REFLECT THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED WHENEVER, UM, COUNCIL APPROVED THE INITIAL PLANS FOR THE RESTROOMS ALONG WITH THE SPLASH PADS. YES, SIR. IT'S A DIFFERENT VENDOR THAT WAS SPECTACLE, BUT AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF FACILITIES THAT ARE IN THE RESTROOM, IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING WITH THE DESIGN IS THE SAME. NO CHANGE IN THE DESIGN OR ANYTHING. NO, SIR. AND IT'S WITHIN BUDGET. IT IS. IT'S

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ACTUALLY UNDER WHAT WE ORIGINALLY RECEIVED A BID FOR UNDER BECAUSE Y'ALL PIECED OUT DIFFERENT PARTS OF IT IN OR IS THAT OTHER PARTS OF THE PROJECT ? I BELIEVE IT'S MAINLY JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT THE COMPLAINING IT'S UNDER DON'T GET ME WRONG. IT'S JUST WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MARKUP SINCE WE'RE THE ONES DOING IT. THAT'S GREAT. I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY? DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? IF THERE ARE NONE, I'D BE OPEN TO EMOTION ON THIS ITEM. COUNCILMAN MALIKI . MR MAIL MAKER MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM D MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM. DO WE HAVE A SECOND COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS SECOND HOLD ON REAL QUICK, I'LL SECOND IT. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND TO PROVE THE ITEM COUNCIL PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES 60 WITH COUNCILMAN STRING ABSENT. WITH

[F. Consider, and act upon, a Final Plat of Beaver Creek Estates, Lot 1-10, Block A establishing 10 residential lots on 17.053 acres in the City of Wylie Extra Territorial Jurisdiction, property located at the southeast corner of Beaver Creek Road and Fox Hollow.]

THAT WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM F. WHICH IS TO CONSIDER AN ACT UPON A FINAL PLAN OF BEAVER CREEK ESTATES. LOTS OF ONE THROUGH 10 BLOCK A ESTABLISHING 10 RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON 17.053 ACRES IN THE CITY OF WILEY, EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION PROPERTY, LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF BEAVER CREEK ROAD AND FOX HOLLOW. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. I KNOW YOU'D ASKED FOR THIS TO BE PULLED. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MR ATKINS. HOW ARE YOU? I'M WELL, SIR. GOOD TO SEE YOU.

UM QUESTION MY MAIN THOUGHT AND I COULDN'T SEE IT ON THE PLANS. AND MAYBE I JUST WASN'T READING REAL GOOD BECAUSE IT'S SMALL IS TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THEIR SEWER. THE LOTS ARE ALL OVER, UM, ONE ACRE, SO THEY'RE GOING TO DO SEPTIC SYSTEM. CAN THEY DO SEPTIC THAT CLOSE TO THE LAKE? YES, SIR. I CAN OKAY. THEY GO THROUGH IT.

IT'S CALLED THE O S S F PROCESS BY AND THEN LET IT COME DOWN LOW OR THE SPECIFICS OF IT. I'M NOT AWARE OF MR ATKINS, WHO'S AN ENGINEER FOR THIS PROJECT. ANSWER THAT IF YOU REALLY NEED A NEWLY ANSWER TO THAT. LIKE THEY DO GO THROUGH A COUNTY APPROVAL PROCESS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT.

I'M MR HASKINS HAS THE ANSWER. I MIGHT SEE IF HE CAN GIVE IT IF IT'S A QUICK ANSWER. UH IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD WITH TINO AND PERKINS 8 TO 5 WATERS CREEK BOULEVARD SUITE.

300 ALLEN, TEXAS, 75 013. UM SO COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAM STANCE. YOUR QUESTION? YES THE SEWER WILL ALL BE PERMITTED THROUGH THE COUNTY. AND THEIR ON SITE SEPTIC SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANTS.

UM, SO IT'S SELF CONTAINED. UNIT RIGHT THERE THAT IT GETS AEROBIC TREATMENT, AND THEN IT'S SPRAYED UP. OKAY? THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY? COUNCIL ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? IF THERE ARE NONE, I WOULD BE OPEN TO EMOTION ON THE ITEM. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE THE ITEM IS PRESENTED. THE MOTION TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN HOOVER. I SECOND THAT MOTION WITH A SECOND TO PROVE COUNCIL POLICE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES 60 WITH COUNCILMAN STRING ABSENT. WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM G, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER AND ACT

[G. Consider, and act upon, a request to construct a new residential structure, located at 111 Keefer Street within the Downtown Historic District.]

UPON A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 1 11 KEEFER STREET WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. MR DUKE OR COUNCILMAN DUKE. I KNOW YOU'D ASKED FOR THIS TO BE PULLED. DO KNOW WE'VE GOT THREE FORMS AS WELL FROM CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. DID YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? OR DID YOU JUST WANT THIS OPEN TO CONSIDERATION AND HAVE MR HASKINS PRESENT THE ITEM FOR STARTERS. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. I WOULD JUST LET MR HASKINS PRESENT THE ITEM. I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL SINCE WE SINCE THE CITY AND COUNCIL SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY. IN OUR HISTORICAL DISTRICT. I JUST THINK THIS ITEM NEEDS TO BE PUT FORWARD. OKAY SO , MR HASKINS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO JUST GENERALLY PRESENT THE ITEM OF WHAT THE REQUEST IS, UM AND BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. OKAY, SO SHE SHE HAS QUESTIONS THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER THAT COME UP FROM COUNCIL AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE OF INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE ASKED TO SPEAK. SO, MR HASKINS? YES SO, BASICALLY, THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED TO, UM, BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OF ABOUT I BELIEVE IT'S 212,200 SQUARE FEET. ON A LOT THAT IS ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF KEEP FOR AND MARBLE.

UM THE LOT ITSELF IS 5259 SQUARE FEET. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS, UM PROVIDED ELEVATIONS, COLORS AND THAT SORT OF THING. UM, FOR THIS AND UM THEY'RE DOING A CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOME. UM MISS ALI, WHO IS

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OUR RESIDENT? HRC EXPERT DID REVIEW THIS BEFORE IT WENT TO HRC. UM AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN THE REPORT, IT DOES MEET THE CRITERIA FOR A CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOME. UM, AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUITE ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. TAKE COUNCILMAN MALIKI. THANK YOU, MR HASKINS. UM READING THE ZONING ORDINANCE. IT SAYS THAT THE GARAGE HAS TO BE SEPARATE FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE. AND I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR IN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S THE GARAGE AND THE STRUCTURE HAD TO BE TWO SEPARATE. STRUCTURES. UM LOOKING AT THE PLANTS LOOKS LIKE THE GARAGES. WITHIN THE FIRST WITHIN THE STRUCTURE, SO THE NEW TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. AND WHY DO YOU FEEL LIKE THIS? SO THERE, UM, THE WAY THAT THE ORDINANCE READS, UM OH, IT WAS DISCUSSED AMONG STAFF, AND OUR OPINION IS THAT IF A BECAUSE IT MENTIONS NOT JUST GARAGES, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT SHEDS AND OTHER THINGS CORRECT. THE ORDINANCE READS. IT STARTS OFF WITH THAT AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. AND BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR GARAGES AND BEING PROMOTED AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, IT'S AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE HOME AND CRAFTSMEN. NEW STYLE CRAFTSMAN HOMES DO ALLOW FOR, UM, GARAGES TO BE PART OF THE HOME. THAT WE FELT THAT, UM THAT NOT BEING AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. IT DIDN'T NEED TO BE DETACHED. IS THE WAY THAT WE WERE I SAW THE ORDINANCE.

SO I HAD A QUESTION. I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SETBACKS, UM AND SWEDE RECEIVED SOME INFORMATION FROM IT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED IS ON HERE UNDER. 6.3 AND THERE MAY BE MORE LETTERS FOR BE ESSENTIALLY PAGE 1 50 SECTION II REFERS TO CORNER LOTS THAT SIDE GUARDS SHALL BE TREATED AS FRONT YARDS. YES, AND THEY WILL HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENT AS THE PRIMARY FRONT YARD DOESN'T REFER TO ONLY ONE SIDE YARD. IT JUST SAYS SIDE YARDS, AND THE ONE SIDE YARD ON HERE IS 5 FT. WELL, NO, SIR. WHAT DO YOU FRAME WHAT IT'S REFERRING TO IS THE SIDE YARD THAT FACES THE STREET. LET'S SEE, THAT'S NOT BUT THAT THAT'S MY CONCERN IS WHEN WE'RE READING INTO THE SECTION DIRECTLY AFTER WE'RE SAYING BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT THE EXACT LANGUAGE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES SUCH AS GARAGES SHEDS, GREEN HEAD SAYS ETCETERA SHALL BE LOCATED IN A SEPARATE STRUCTURE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED. A LIVING STRUCTURE UNDER UNDER THOSE STANDARDS. WE'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THAT THEY ANYWHERE THAT THE ACCESSORY USE, SUCH AS GARAGE MUST BE IN AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT IS LOCATED. THE OTHER ONE ABOVE, DOESN'T SAY ON CORNER LOT SIDE YARDS. THAT ARE FACING THE STREET SHALL BE IT JUST SAYS SIDE YARD. AND ALSO THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS EVEN IF IT WASN'T A SIDE YARD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT YARDS SETBACK IS. BUT IN HERE IT DOESN'T TAKE A BLOCK AVERAGE. IT WANTS THE SIDE YARD SETBACK ADJACENT TO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, OR 20. FT. SO IS THE ONE NEXT DOOR 5 FT. IT'S CLOSE TO THAT. UM AND I APOLOGIZE. THERE'S JUST NO WAY FOR ME TO LOOK THAT UP ON A PLATTER AND IT MIGHT BE AND I THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING WHEN I WENT BACK AND READ IT, BUT I KNOW IT DEFINITELY ISN'T GOING TO BE THE 10 FT, WHICH, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS , AND NOT TRY TO READ INTO INTENT BECAUSE MY FEELING WOULD BE INTENT ON THREE WOULD BE THAT THE GARAGE SHOULD BE SEPARATE AS IT IS IN ALL THE OTHER HOMES WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT ARE EXISTING CONFORMING OR HAVE BEEN BUILT AS OPPOSED TO OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE SOME HOMES THAT WERE BUILT BEFORE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS PUT IN PLACE AND WE CONSIDER THAT EXISTING NON CONFORMING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO ASK THEM TO CHANGE. AND I JUST WORRY IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT INTENT ON ONE AND LETTER OF THE LAW AND THE OTHER THE AND SEE IF I CAN GET. SOMETIMES THE ZOOM DOES NOT LIKE TO PLAY ALONG. BUT WE DID REVIEW WHILE I'M TRYING TO PULL THIS UP THE THERE WE GO, UM. THE LOTS THAT ARE FACING. SORRY I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET AND I KNOW, I KNOW. LOOK AT THE

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LOT. THERE'S HOUSE THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THIS ONE, AND THE SETBACKS ON IT ARE LIKE 3 FT IN THE BACK AND TWO OR 3 FT ON THE SIDE. UM AND THE HOUSE THAT'S RIGHT TO THE SOUTH OF THIS ALSO HAS A SIDE SETBACK IN ITS IN THE FOUR OR 5 FT RANGE. SO ALL OF THE SETBACKS I THINK DON'T MEET THE DON'T NOT ONLY MEET THE INTENT THEY MEET THE LETTER OF THE LAW. AS FAR AS IT IS, WE'RE CONCERNED BECAUSE IT IS AN AVERAGE AND LIKE ON THE SIDE THAT FACES WOULD ASK WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THE AVERAGE FROM WE LOOK AT THE HOUSE THAT'S TO THE SOUTH, AND WE LOOK AT THE HOUSE THAT'S TO THE WEST AND THE OTHER AND THE NEXT HOUSE BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE BLOC FACE AND WE WERE LOOKING AT THE BACK SIDE OF THE REAR SETBACKS IN THE SIDE SETBACKS FOR THOSE, AND THEN THE FRONT SETBACKS FOR THE ONES THAT FACE MARVEL. OH, YEAH, IT'S UH IT'S STRUCTURE SHALL CONFORM WITH THE FRONT YARD, SIDE YARD AND REAR SETBACKS THAT EXISTING RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS IN THE BLOCK FACE. FRONT AND REAR SETBACKS WILL BE DEEMED TO BE IN CONFORMANCE IF THEY'RE WITHIN 5 FT. OF THE AVERAGE OF THE EXISTING SETBACK. ON EITHER SIDE OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. RIGHT SO IT'S THE AVERAGE OF THE SETBACKS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH, BECAUSE THIS IS ON A CORNER LOT. WE TOOK A LOT TO THE SOUTH AND WE LOOK WE TOOK A LOT TO THE WEST. OKAY? IT JUST I KNOW YOU HAD SENT US SOME INFORMATION, AND THEN THERE IT STATED BLOCK AVERAGE. AND SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS AVERAGING AND TIGHT. THAT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE IT'S THE ENTIRE CITY BLOCK. THAT WAS NO NO, NO, NO, NO. OKAY. SO WELL, I KNOW I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, BUT COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM MR HASKINS. I THINK I'VE GOT A COMIC BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ACTUAL QUESTION. BUT OR I GUESS I'LL ASK. YOU DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN, DO YOU? THAT'S WHAT I WAS SHOCKED. I DIDN'T SEE AS A SITE PLAN. UM THEY THEY? ABSOLUTELY I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT REPRESENTED ANY LAYOUT. OTHER STRUCTURES. NEARBY STRUCTURES.

THERE WAS ONE JUST JUST SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW THERE WAS ONE ON THE HRC MEETING THAT WAS PRESENTED SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE PULLED UP HERE. YEAH BUT JUST NOT IN THE PACKET AGENDA PACKAGE. IT'S NOT.

UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT. I HAD TO GO BACK TO THE HRC MEETING TO FIND THE TO FIND IT HERE. THIS IS IT HERE. I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT LATER. NO PROBLEM. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE YOU COULD FIND ONE. BUT IT WAS NOT IN THE PACKAGE. THANK YOU. SO I KNOW. I KNOW. SEVERAL PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT SEVERAL THINGS SO WHILE THEY DO THAT, MR HASKINS, WHO DID HAVE THREE CITIZENS ARE TOO WHO COMPLETED A FORM AND THEN I'D LIKE TO GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO RESPOND AS WELL, BECAUSE I KNOW SHE COMPLETED THE FORM AND IS HERE.

OKAY SO LET ME GO AHEAD AND WORK ON GETTING THOSE PEOPLE FORWARD BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS THAT KIND OF NATURALLY COME OUT ALONG THE WAY. NO PROBLEM. UM, SO THE FIRST ONE THAT I HAVE HERE IS MISS ALLISON STO. SO IF YOU WILL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES IN WHICH TO ADDRESS COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ALISON STONE ADDRESSES 12, 1, PERIWINKLE DRIVE, AND WILEY. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, SO I AM THE VICE CHAIR OF HRC, AND I'M THE ONE WHO ULTIMATELY RAN THAT MEETING. AND UM, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THAT STRUCTURE DOES NOT BY BY SEVERAL ORDINANCES, WHICH WERE BROUGHT UP AT THAT MEETING. ONE DAY FIXED, WHICH IS THE RAILING, BUT IT IS THE GARAGE IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EXTENSIVELY HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. NOT ATTACHED. THERE'S AN ORDINANCE ABOUT NEW STRUCTURES ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE 6 FT SIDEWALKS . UM JASON SAID THAT THAT DIDN'T APPLY IN THIS INSTANCE. BUT THAT IS IN THE ORDINANCE AS WELL. UM SO I DON'T HAVE THE NOTES IN FRONT OF ME. SANDRA DOES. BUT THERE'S UM I MEAN, THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER THINGS THAT THEY DID NOT MEET THE ORDINANCE FOR THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE, SO I VOTED AGAINST IT. BUT MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE HRC AS IT STATED THAT IT DID MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS , AND I KNOW IT'S PRESENTED TONIGHT ON THE PACKET THAT IT MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. WHICH IT DEFINITELY DOESN'T. I THINK THERE WERE FIVE ITEMS, APPROXIMATELY THAT IT DID NOT MEET, AND MY CONCERN IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE HISTORIC DISTRICT NOT JUST NOW, BUT FOR THE FUTURE. AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. FOR THE PRESIDENT THAT WE SET IN ALLOWING THESE, AND WHILE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S CRAFTSMEN, IT DOES NOT MEET THE ORDINANCE THAT WE SPENT TIME DRAFTING, WHICH IS TROUBLESOME FOR ME BEING ON THAT BOARD. THAT OKAY? AND THEN I ALSO HAVE MISS SANDRA S STONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. AND IF YOU WILL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. MY NAME IS SANDRA STONE. I LIVE AT 2 11 NORTH CLIFFORD STREET IN WALLY

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IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM I LIVE IN A 19 06 CRAFTSMAN. JUST A BLOCK DOWN THE STREET. FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE, NEW BUILD. UM AND I HAVE A HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION ON MY HOME. I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON A CRAFTSMAN, BUT I DO KNOW. WHAT IT TAKES TO HAVE A CRAFTSMAN. UM THE FIRST UH, ADAM IS THE GARAGE AGAIN. THE ORDINANCE STATES THAT IT SHALL BE A SEPARATE STRUCTURE. UM. ARE WE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? ARE WE IN A SUBDIVISION SOMEPLACE ELSE? WE ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THEREFORE WE NEED TO BUILD HISTORIC WHO, WHETHER IT'S A WE SAY IT NEEDS TO BE A CERTAIN ARCHITECTURE, SO IF IT'S GOING TO BE A CRAFTSMAN, WE NEED TO HAVE THE CRAFTSMAN. WINDOWS WE NEED TO HAVE A SEPARATE GARAGE. WE NEED TO HAVE THE EAVES. WE NEED TO HAVE ALL THOSE ELEMENTS THAT MAKE A CRAFTSMAN OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO GLUE SOMETHING UP. THAT IS AN ELEMENT AND CALL IT A CRAFTSMAN, SO I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT THE WINDOWS WHILE THE ORDINANCES ENCOURAGED WOOD WINDOWS, BUT DISCOURAGED VINYL. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH VINYL WINDOWS AS LONG AS THEY ARE CRAFTSMAN STYLE WINDOWS . THESE WINDOWS ARE NOT CRASHED IN STYLE. YOU CAN LOOK AT THE PICTURES THAT ARE IN THE ORDINANCE, IT SHOWS HOW THEY ARE. FRAMED OUT HOW THEY ARE, UM . THEY HAVE ELEMENTS AH, AROUND THE WINDOWS THAT MAKE THEM CRAFTSMAN THERE JUST A FLAT WINDOW. SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE THAT ARE IN THE ORDINANCE. UM ON PAGE 1 53. AND THEN ALSO SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION DIDN'T LOOK AT THERE IS A DOUBLE SLIDING GLASS DOOR ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. WHILE HE DOESN'T ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD, IT IS NOT TRADITIONAL CRAFTSMAN. SO AGAIN . ARE WE BUILDING CRAFTSMAN, OR ARE WE JUST BUILDING SOMETHING AND SLAPPING A COUPLE OF THINGS ON IT? AND CALLING IT A CRAFTSMAN? UM I THINK THIS HOUSE IS TOO BIG FOR THIS LOT, BUT I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THE NUMBERS AND HOW THEY FIT ON LOT, SO I'M GOING TO LOOK TO YOUR EXPERTISE ON THAT. UH, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO DENY THIS THANK YOU. OKAY? AND I DO WANT TO GIVE EM OUR APPLICANT WHO ALSO WANTED TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. THE CHANCE TO SPEAK. THERE MAY BE OTHER COMMENTS THAT COME FORWARD WHEN WE MAY CALL YOU BACK, BUT I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO SPEAK. SO MISS ANGELICA HERNANDEZ. AND IF YOU WILL STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU CAN USE THIS LOCATION AS THE ADDRESS FOR IT SINCE THAT'S WHAT THAT YOU'RE HERE TO APPLY. IS IT ON? YES, MA'AM. UM MY NAME IS ANGELICA HERNANDEZ. UM UM, I. I WAS HOPING THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TRY TO BUILD THIS HOUSE. UM, WE MADE IT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO, YOU KNOW, A CRAFTSMAN HOME. UM WE ARE DEALING WITH A VERY SMALL LAP. I MEAN, IT WAS A LOT THAT WAS LIKE DIVIDED SO WE HAD SO MANY, UM, RESTRICTIONS WITH THE SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING, SO WE HAD VERY LITTLE ROOM TO TRY TO FITTED IN THERE. UM AND SO WE WORKED THROUGH A LOT OF THE MHM ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED ON THE ORDINANCE FOR HISTORICAL AND WE FEEL THAT WE, YOU KNOW, MADE IT LOOK CRAFTSMAN, BUT, UM AGAIN. WE WILL JUST I THINK THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS THE SIZE OF THE LOT. UM WE WOULDN'T CARE IF THE GARAGE WAS SEPARATE. BUT THERE'S JUST NO ROOM. I MEAN, IT'S A VERY, VERY SMALL, UM, LOT TO BUILD A HOUSE AND SO. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE? UM. OTHER THAN IT WOULD LOOK REALLY PRETTY, AND I MEAN IT'S A IT'S A NEW HOME OR WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT LOOK AS AS CLOSE TO THE CRAFTSMAN AND EVERYTHING SO UM, THAT'S ALL I WOULD LIKE TO ADD. UM, AND THAT'S OKAY? WELL, IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL THAT JASON FIELDS WOULD BE BEST ANSWERED BY YOU. WE CAN ALWAYS ASK YOU TO STEP BACK UP. THANK YOU. SO I BELIEVE THOSE WERE THE FORMS THAT I HAD FOR THIS ITEM THIS STORM JUST THOSE THREE CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO UM, OBVIOUSLY HER HEARD SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS AND IT, YOU KNOW? I THINK THE NICE WAY APPEARS THAT THERE IS AN AGREEMENT TO DISAGREE ON SOME OF THE ITEMS BETWEEN YOURSELF AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE BUT OBVIOUSLY WE DID GET YOUR RESPONSE STATED ON THE RECORD. FOR IT. UM I DID WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE ENCOURAGED VERSUS DISCOURAGED PORTION BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED ON THERE WAS SEVERAL OF

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THE ITEMS BEING USED BEYOND JUST THE WINDOWS, BUT ALSO, UH, THE KIND OF EXTENSIVE USE OF HARDY BOARD THE SEMANTICS MATERIALS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S ALSO DISCOURAGED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND I DID TAKE A CHANCE TO GO AND LOOK AT PLACES THAT ARE WE'LL SAY OLDER BOSTON, FOR INSTANCE, PLACES THAT HAVE HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT ARE MUCH MUCH OLDER BUT FEATURE A LOT OF THE SAME STYLE HOMES AND THEY HAVE THE SAME. THERE'S A FULL OUT RESTRICTION. MANY CITIES WILL ALLOW A SKIRT ALONG THE BOTTOM TO BE DUE TO THE WHETHER THAT WE GET UM, BUT THIS ONE SO WHAT IS THE WHAT IS KIND OF THE PURPOSE OF ENCOURAGE DISCOURAGE . UM IF WE HAVE HOMES THAT ARE COMING THROUGH THAT ARE HIGHLY FEATURING DISCOURAGED ITEMS. UM WELL PREMISES BY SAYING THAT I WASN'T HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE WRITING OF THE HRC PART OF THE ORDER, AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN ANYBODY ELSE'S MOUTH THAT THAT YOU KNOW ALL THOSE CITIZENS AND EVERYBODY THAT PARTICIPATED IN THAT. BUT THAT BEING SAID, UM, WHEN WE DO THINGS LIKE THAT IS USUALLY TO OFFER TO APPOINT SOMEBODY IN THE IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME TO ALLOW FOR SOME VARIANTS, DEPENDING ON THINGS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT NEED TO BE DONE IN PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES. I KNOW IT'S A REALLY GREAT ANSWER, BUT THAT'S NO NO, BUT IT HELPS. OKAY I JUST IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT I HAD GONE THROUGH. AND THEN WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, IT WAS KIND OF UNDER THE I THINK THE HEADING WAS PURPOSE OF DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS AND ENLISTED OUT SOME OF THEM SO I KNOW THERE WERE ONES THAT WERE ENCOURAGED, AND THEN THERE'S THINGS WE ASK PEOPLE TO DO. UM, AND NOW THIS ONE IS NOT SHOWING ANY TYPE OF A SKIRT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, EITHER. CORRECT, CORRECT, SIR. I KNOW. I'VE ASKED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS. I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT COUNCIL AND I KNOW A COUPLE OF INDIVIDUALS HAVE HAD QUESTIONS ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORWARD COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MR HASKINS.

WE'VE HAD A GOOD AMOUNT OF TALK ABOUT THE WINDOWS. AND WHAT CRAFTSMAN STYLE IS, UM AND I EVEN DID SOME SEARCHES. I'M TRYING TO SEE IN AND WHAT THE ARTIST HAS DEPICTED. LOOKS LIKE JUST A REGULAR WINDOW. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT DIFFERENTIATES IT. FROM YOU KNOW? ANY OTHER.

GENERALLY IN THE CRAFTSMAN AND AH, THE UM THE LIGHTS. YOU KNOW, THE GRILLS SPEAK ARE GENERALLY WHAT MAKES A WINDOW LEAN TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION. UM A TRUE CRAFTSMAN WILL ONLY HAVE THE GIRLS ON THE TOP. RIGHT WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW YOU CAN ORDER A WINDOW THAT WAY. IF YEAH , THAT WAS THE DESIRE KIND OF WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT AND IT'S MORE THE TRIM PACKAGE THAT HELPS THAT LOOK IF IT'S NOT A WOOD WINDOW TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A WOOD WINDOW WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE A CASED WINDOW, EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE VINYL OR YES, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THOSE GRILLS AND THE TRIM AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE ARTIST DEPICTION HAS HELP THAT OR HURT THAT BECAUSE ARTIST DEPICTION LOOKS LIKE JUST A BASIC WINDOW. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, IF THIS DOESN'T GO THROUGH NOW, AND YOU END UP BRINGING IT BACK, THEY BRING IT BACK. I WOULD SUGGEST DOING? YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT SHOWS THOSE DIFFERENCES TO BE ABLE TO CALL OUT WHAT THAT REALIZED IT SAYS.

A CRAFTSMAN WINDOW, BUT EVERYTHING THAT'S SHOWN THERE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN ANY OF THE OTHER WINDOWS THAT COME THROUGH YOUR THAT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO BE IN THE ORDINANCE, AND I BELIEVE IT. I'M GUESSING THAT IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH THAT IT MATTERS. IT'S NOT SOMETHING I AM INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH. BUT AND. OTHER THAN THAT, I'LL WAIT TO HEAR MY COUNTERPARTS HAVE TO STAY ON THE OTHER. THANK YOU. MM HMM. COUNCILMAN DUKE THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. YEAH. UM I DON'T REALLY HAVE A QUESTION. BUT MY COMMENTS ARE YOU KNOW IT. IT HAS SOME ELEMENTS OF A CRAFTSMAN CELL HOUSE. I'M NO ARCHITECT, BUT IT DOESN'T. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE OTHER CRAFTSMAN HOUSES IN THE AREA. UM, I KNOW THAT'S UM KIND OF HARD TO LOOK AT. BUT SINCE I DON'T HAVE ANY PICTURES, BUT, YOU KNOW DOING A GOOGLE SEARCH ON CHRISTMAS, ALL HOMES.

I SEE THOSE HOMES AND SEE THIS HOME. AND YOU CAN TELL THAT THERE'S IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE CRAFTS HIMSELF HOUSE. IT HAS SOME OF THE FEATURES OF CRASH THEMSELVES HOUSE, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOUSE NOW. NO. I TRIED TO DISSECT THAT MORE AND YOU KNOW WE COUNSELING WILLIAMS SET UP ON ON A WINDOWS, AND THERE'S ALSO THE PILLARS. THERE'S ONLY PILLARS ON ONE SIDE. OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT ONLINE PICTURES OF OTHER CHRISTIANS, I'LL HOUSES YOU SEE PILLARS. ALL ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. UM ALSO, MOST OF THE CRAFTSMAN SELL HOUSES. THEY HAVE FIREPLACES. AND THEREFORE CHIMNEY NOW, I DON'T CARE. NO IF THERE'S AN ACTUAL FIREPLACE, BUT I THINK YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY THERE. THERE SHOULD BE A

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CHIMNEY. UM OR YOU KNOW, A FAKE CHIMNEY ON THE HOUSE OF GIVEN THAT CROSSMAN SELL WORK, BUT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. OKAY? AND YOU HAVE. COUNCILMAN LET'S GO AHEAD. I JUST HAD A FOLLOW UP, MR. HASKINS. UM IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS SIZE LOT. OR THE ORDINANCE READ.

SEPARATE STRUCTURE AS ACCESSORY TO THE MAIN HOUSE. IT'S MOSTLY FOR THE HOUSES THAT ALREADY HAVE BEEN BUILT, AND IF THEY WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO IT. AND THAT'S WHY THE NEW STRUCTURES ALLOW BUILT IN GARAGES. IS THAT KIND OF HOW YOU VIEW THAT EVEN I WOULD SAY THAT THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE COULD STILL APPLY TO A NEW HOME. THAT IS CORRECT. IF THERE WAS NO GARAGE, SAID THE GARAGE WAS TURNED INTO A BEDROOM. OKAY? THIS SIZE HOUSE FITS WITHIN THE LOT. THE 0.133 0.1203 SQUARE FEET. EXCEPT OUR ORDINANCE, EVEN OUTSIDE THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES TWO ENCLOSED PARKING SPACES. SO THEY COULDN'T DO THAT. OKAY? THANK YOU. I HAD A MORE NUTS AND BOLTS QUESTION ON THIS ONE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE WHEN IT CAME THROUGH. AND TRYING TO LOOK HERE. THE RAILING WAS ADDED ON AT SOME POINT IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. NOW IS THAT RAILING ON ALL THREE SIDES BECAUSE TECHNICALLY, THAT PORCH DOESN'T LEAD TO THE DOOR. SO.

ARE THEY ARE THEY SUIT ON TUESDAY ON THE FRONT AND THE SIDE HERE? YES, SIR. OKAY. HIS IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE. TECHNICALLY IT SAYS ALL EDGES EXCEPT FOR THE WALKWAY. YES SIR . TECHNICALLY YOU WOULD HAVE A PORCH IF IT FULLY MET THAT THAT HAD NO ACCESS ACCESSIBILITY EXCEPT THEIR GARAGE WINDOW. THAT IS CORRECT, AND THAT WAS TALKED AT TALKED ABOUT HRC. AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT IT WAS AGREED UPON THAT, AT LEAST COVERING THE TWO SIDES WOULD MEET THE INTENT. OKAY? NO AND I WOULDN'T SUGGEST THAT YOU ROPE IN AN AREA MAKE IT UNUSABLE. I WAS JUST POINTING OUT THAT IT AGAIN. IT DOESN'T QUITE FIT. WHAT WAS ASKED FOR JUST BECAUSE IT'S SHIFTED, AND IT'S TRULY A PORCH IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE, AS OPPOSED TO MORE OF IN FRONT OF THE WALKWAY OR THE FRONT DOOR. YES, SIR. YOU DON'T DESIGN IT. I'M JUST POINTING THAT OUT. SO UM, I WILL ASK IT MIGHT BE FOR YOU AND IT MIGHT BE FOR THE APPLICANT THOSE WINDOWS INTO THE GARAGE. ARE THOSE GOING TO BE SEE THROUGH TO WHERE YOU WILL SEE INTO SOMEONE'S GARAGE THROUGH THE FRONT THERE? OR ARE THEY? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY CALL OUT FOR THEM TO BE OPAQUE, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU WILL SEE DIRECTLY INTO SOMEONE'S GARAGE. THE APPLICANT IS TELLING ME THAT YES, THOSE WILL BE SEATED. OKAY WELL, I'VE ASKED QUITE A FEW. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE ITEM? COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ONE QUICK QUESTION, MR HASKINS. BEST THING I COULD CORRELATE THE LAW, TOO, BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF LOOKING AT THE LOT SIZE. HMM AND BASED ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE AREA, YOU TELL ME IF YOU THINK I'M PRETTY CLOSE TO THIS IT LOOKS LIKE THE LOT SIZE IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, OR MAYBE CLOSE TO UM, THE NEW BILL THAT WAS BUILT ON JACKSON AND BROWN. ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. NOT JACKSON. I'M SORRY, BALLARD, BALLARD AND BROWN IS WHAT I MEANT. SOUTHEAST CORNER OF BALLARD AND BROWN. YES, SIR.

DETACHED GARAGE WITH THAT TECHNICALLY BE DETACHED BECAUSE IT'S GOT A PORE. TOUCHE THERE. I THINK IT'S TRYING TO DO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE BACK. AND THE LIKE ON THE BACK SIDE OF IT. I CAN'T PICTURE IT. I'M SORRY. I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE IT'S GOT A SEPARATE FOUNDATION. IT'S GOING TO FALL UNDER DETACHED. EVEN THOUGH I GET OFFENSES ATTACHED. IT'S STILL SURE DETACHED. BUT IN LOOKING AT THE SIZE OF THE LAW THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT SHOTGUN STYLE HOUSE CAN HAVE A SEPARATE GARAGE AND STILL. YEAH THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THE LOT ITSELF COULD. I MEAN, IT'S 5200 SQUARE FEET. IT'S YOU KNOW, 400 MINIMUM 400 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE. YEAH. 20 BY 20. UM, BUT. THEN THE HOUSE IS 1200 SQUARE FEET, MAYBE INSTEAD OF 2200. AND THAT THAT'S WHERE THE YOU KNOW THE ISSUE COMES IN, OKAY? THAT HELPS. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE ON THIS ITEM. I KNOW THERE'S STILL A LITTLE BIT OF WE'RE TRYING TO TRYING TO LOOK AT THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS PRESENTED THERE AT 305, HE SAID. THREE OR FIVE BROWN BALLARD. I'M SORRY. THREE OR

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NINE, MAYBE. OKAY? YES. SO YEAH. AND SOME CAN I ASK MR HOSKINS TO APPROACH THEM? SHOW HIM. SO MR HASKINS JUST JUST SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT HE WAS ASKING ABOUT. IT OBVIOUSLY HAS BEEN ATTACHED THE WALKWAY, SOME IS COVERED OR MAY HAVE BEEN ENCLOSED. WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED DETACHED GARAGE? THAT WILL THEN HAVE A WALKWAY COVERED . HOW'S THAT TREATED ACTUALLY? OKAY? NEVER HAS A WALK AWAY LIKE THAT, AND IT SHARES A COMMON ROOF AS FAR AS OUR BUILDING OFFICIALS CONCERNED. HE HE COUNSELS AS ATTACHED BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THAT WITH, UH UM BECAUSE WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING. ONLY WE'VE DONE THAT, AT TIMES FOR SOMEBODY TO HAVE AN EXTRA BEDROOM THAT'S SOMEWHAT DETACHED. SO MAYBE A MOTHER IN LAW HAS NO WE CAN'T DO SEPARATE KITCHENS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT YOU CAN DO LIKE A SEPARATE ROOM WHERE THEY LIVE OFF. A SEPARATE FROM THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S STILL CONSIDERED 11 STRUCTURE BECAUSE OF ITS BECAUSE THERE'S A ROOF BECAUSE IT SHARES A ROOF. YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

DOES THAT HELP? COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS ON YOUR QUESTION AND MAYOR PRO TEM? OKAY? IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND OPEN TO ASK HIM NOW OR I AM OPEN TO EMOTION ON THE ITEM. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING SINCE IT WAS ON CONSENT, SO I'D BE OPEN TO A MOTION AS WELL ON THE ITEM. COUNCILMAN DUKE THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. I MOTION THAT WE DENIED THE OTTOMANS PRESENTED.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY THE ITEM AS PRESENTED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL SECOND IT OKAY. WE HAVE EMOTION WITH THE SECOND TO DENY THE ITEM AS PRESENTED. COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES 5 TO 1 WITH COUNCILMAN HOOVER OPPOSED SO THE ITEM IS DENIED. WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM ONE ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA THIS

[1. Hold a Public Hearing, consider, and act upon, the writing of an ordinance for a change in zoning from Agricultural (AG/30) to Single Family 10/24 (SF 10/24) on 15 acres, Townhouse District (TH) on 3.8 acres, and Commercial Corridor (CC) on 4 acres. Property generally located at and around 605 Country Club Road (ZC 2023-15).]

EVENING. I DON'T WANT US TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE WRITING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL 32 SINGLE FAMILY 10 24 SF 10 24 ON 15 ACRES TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT, TH ON 3.8 ACRES AND COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR CC ON FOUR ACRES PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED AT AND AROUND 605 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD ZONING CASE, 2023-15. MR HASKINS . THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M GONNA MAKE MY PRESENTATION RELATIVELY BRIEF BECAUSE THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A BRIEF PRESENTATION. UM AND COUNCIL HAS SEEN THIS ITEM INTO A WORK SESSION. UM BUT IN GENERAL, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO REZONE 25 ACRES. THAT IS CURRENTLY, UM AG TO ABOUT 15 ACRES OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL FOR ABOUT 45 HOMES. UH FOR ACRES OF TOWN HOMES THAT WOULD CONTAIN ABOUT 30 RESIDENTIAL HOMES. AND ABOUT FOUR ACRES OF COMMERCIAL TO HOUSE ABOUT 2500 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE, AND THAT DOES INCLUDE ALSO A LITTLE OVER TWO ACRES OF OPEN SPACE. UM THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT'S JUST NORTH OF FIRE STATION TO ON COUNTRY CLUB. UM THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN DOESN'T HAVE. IT DOES HAVE IT LISTED AS LOCAL COMMERCIAL AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. UM SO IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE PLAN. THE APPLICANT IS NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCES. THIS IS STRAIGHT ZONING, SO THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. IF THEY ZONING IS APPROVED AS THEY MOVE FORWARD.

WE DID MAIL OUT 41 NOTIFICATIONS THAT ARE WITHIN 200 FT. AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. WE RECEIVED NINE BACK WITHIN THAT 200 FT THAT ARE OPPOSED AND WE RECEIVED 32. ADDITIONAL PROTEST FORMS THAT WERE OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA. WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING AT PNC MEETING AND SEVERAL FOLKS SHOWED UP AND EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS. UM AND THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF STUFF.

A COUPLE OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAD SUPPORT FOR THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT FOLLOWS THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL CONCERNS ABOUT LIKE TRAFFIC CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AND, UM PRESIDENTIAL ESTATES TO THE NORTH. THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC ON COUNTRY CLUB. UM I HAD A TRAFFIC TO COUNTRY CLUB, THE FACT THAT IT HAD COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES INVOLVED IN IT AND THAT THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WASN'T NECESSARILY THOUGHT OF AS INDEED ID. UM ULTIMATELY, THE PNC COMMISSIONERS DID VOTE 61 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT WASHINGTON STREET, WHICH IS THE STREET

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THAT'S UNDERNEATH SOUTH REINA, FAR WEST CORNER OF PRESIDENTIAL ESTATES. BE OPEN TO THIS DEVELOPMENT ONLY FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, SO THEY'LL BE LIKE A KNOCK BOX TYPE OF GATE PUT IN PLACE. AND ALSO THAT THEY TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO PLANTING UM, AND WITH THAT CAN EITHER ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE NOW OR THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION. THEY WOULD LIKE TO GIVE ME OKAY? SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND LET THE APPLICANT GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION. APPRECIATE THAT, SO THEY WANT TO PRESENT LET THEM PRESENT THE INFORMATION THAT THEY BROUGHT THIS EVENING AND WE CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE, OKAY? THANKS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AHMED HELAL SALMON 545. COVENTRY DR GRAHAM PINE, TEXAS 76051. AND YOU'RE FREE TO GO AHEAD AND PRESENT. OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. HMM. OKAY? UH, WE HAVE ALREADY PRESENTED TO THE SAME THING EARLIER AS WELL FOR OUR WORK SESSIONS AND AS WELL AS HE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS, UH, HERE IS ACTUALLY THE SAME SITE PLAN BIRD'S EYE VIEW. WE ARE SHOWING HOW THE DEVELOPMENTS ARE BACK TO DEFINITELY AFTER THE DISCUSSION AND LISTENING WITH THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO THE OTHER MEMBERS. UH ALONG THE LINE . WE HAVE ALREADY UPDATED AND CHANGED TO SOME OF THE STUFF SO THAT TWO WEEKEND FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STRAIGHT ZONING ORDINANCES. RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER APPROXIMATELY THE AREA FOR THIS SINGLE FAMILY IS 15 ACRES DOWN HOMES AT 3.8 ACRES. COMMERCIAL LAND IS FORAKER PLAY AREA IS 0.8 OPEN SPACES. POINT EJECTOR DETENTION POND THIS 0.6 SECONDS.

IF WE MOVE AT THIS AH, WHAT IS CALLED THE NET. NEXT ITEM. WHAT YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE ALREADY STUDIED THE PRESENT WIDELY ADOPTED 22 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHERE WE RE SHOWING THE SITE LOCATION. IF YOU LOOK AT CAREFULLY, THERE IS A COMMERCIAL . ALMOST LIKE 50% OF THE LORD IS SHOWING. MAYBE GOMA COMMERCIAL. AND THEN THE REST OF IT IS LOADING CITY RESIDENTIAL AREA.

AH WE JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE TRAFFIC SYSTEM ON THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND SIDE YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A DASHED LINE SHOWING FOR CONNECTION FUTURE IS REQUIRED. UH AND WE HAVE ALSO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT CONNECTION AS WELL. AH! RIGHT NOW. I'M JUST MOVING TO THE NEXT ONE. WE ARE TRYING TO TELL EVERYONE THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING THE 22 AND 2022 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WHAT IS THE, UH, I MEAN, THE CITY HAS ADOPTED. YOU CAN SEE HERE, ACTUALLY, ON THE NORTH SIDE. UH THERE IS A PRESIDENTIAL I'M SORRY. HI IT'S MOVED. SOME OF THESE. HE SAID. WE DIDN'T. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AH! YOU CAN SEE ON THE NORTH SIDE. THOSE ARE ACTUALLY. PRESIDENTIAL UH, RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THEN AH, THERE IS A FIRE STATION AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH, ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT SHOWN. WHAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THIS LOT ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH IS COMPARABLE WITH LOT SIZES AND EVERYTHING STANDARD AND EVERYTHING WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW LIKE AND THE NORTHERN AREA. THEN ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WHAT WE ARE SHOWING IS THAT TOWN HOMES AND IN THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES SO WE CAN ADD MORE TOWN HOMES ON THE SOUTH SIDE IT OR SOMEBODY WANTS TO CONVERT THAT

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FIRE STATION TO AREA. AS WELL. WE HAVE LEFT ONE ACCESS YOU CAN SEE ON THE ARROW LINE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. AH THAT IS FOR THE FUTURE EXPANSION CONNECTION PURPOSES. WE WANT TO MENTION ON THE WEST SIDE. THERE IS A CONNECTION. WE ARE SHOWING THAT THIS ROAD CAN BE CONNECTED AS THE CITY IS INSISTING TO HAVE A CONNECTION FOR THE WEST SIDE, ALL THOSE LOTS AND FACILITIES FUTURE. AH YOU CAN YOU NOTICED THAT THERE IS A EXISTING CONNECTION FROM THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY IT'S A LITTLE BIT DARKER SHADOW MARKS SHOWN THAT IS. OKAY THAT IS ACTUALLY, UM, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS THEY ARE TRYING TO OBJECTED BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE DISTURBING THEIR COMMUNITY. BUT WHAT I CAN TELL THAT THIS PARTICULAR ROAD IS ACTUALLY DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED AS FAR FOR THE FUTURE CONNECTION PURPOSES. THERE IS ANOTHER ROAD. ALSO THERE IN THE CENTER LOCATED WE HAVE ALREADY BLOCKED THAT BECAUSE THAT ONE DOES IS NOT FEELING ANY EXISTING LOTS OVER THERE. BUT ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IF YOU LOOK AT THAT THE CORNER LORD IS ACTUALLY THEY NEED A CONNECTION FOR THAT ROAD. OTHERWISE IT WILL BE A CURRENTLY SECOND CONDITION. YES, BUT THE CITY REGULATION. SO I CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WHERE ACTUALLY ALL THE DATA SIDE DATA ARE AVAILABLE. I DON'T WANT TO GO FOR THE DETAILS OF IT. UH THEN NEXT ONE IS ACTUALLY THERE IS A TRIP GENERATION PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT. INFORMATION IS THERE AND ALSO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, PARTIALLY WHAT IT IS SHOWING THE FUTURE COMMERCIAL AREA, THE BUILDING LOCATION AND THE TENTATIVE PARKING. TEND TO THE PARKING, SO I HAVE GOT A CIVIL ENGINEER PRESENT OVER HERE WHO HAS ALREADY DONE ALL THIS TRIP GENERATION STUDY PARTIALLY AND AS WELL AS THE OTHER CIVIL ENGINEER ITEMS HERE SO HE WILL BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTION IF YOU HAVE NEXT ONE IS ACTUALLY THE YOU CAN SEE THE TOWN HOMES. THIS IS A PROTOTYPE CONDITION. AH SO THERE WILL BE A BIG BREATHING SPACE IN FRONT OF THIS COMMERCIAL AREA, AND IN BETWEEN, THEY HAVE GOT A PLAYGROUND FOR THE KIDS AS WELL SHOWN. OKAY? I'M SITTING OKAY.

THIS ONE NEXT SLIDE IS SHOWING THE EVER FRONT APPROACH OF A TYPICAL, UH DOWN HOMES AND THE BACK ACCESS WHERE ACTUALLY THE GARAGES IN THE LAW STRUCTURE THERE. HMM. HERE IS ACTUALLY THE SINGLE FAMILY, ALTHOUGH IT IS SHOWING THE FLAT ROOF, BUT IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW THE ORDINANCE IS PERMITTING US TO DO THAT. BACK TO THERE WILL BE SOME ROOF. WHAT IS CALLED THE ROOF WALKING SPACES OR LETTERS, SPACES. THEY CAN ENJOY THE PEOPLE THAT KIND OF THING WE CAN THINK ABOUT IT.

UH NEXT SLIDE IS ACTUALLY THE BACK ACCESS, WHICH IS FROM THE ALLEY, SO THIS IS A TYPICAL KIND OF CONDITION. UH ALTHOUGH THESE ARE FLAT ROOFS SHOWING, BUT IT WILL BE A MIX OF BOTH SIDE WHICH WILL BE PARTIALLY WILL BE FLAT AND THEN THERE WILL BE SOME PITCH ROOF. TO FOLLOW THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AREA. THE MAYOR PRO TEM BEFORE YOU GO ON, I THINK MAY HAVE A QUESTION EITHER FOR YOU OR I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ACTUALLY, AS WE ENTER INTO THE ELEVATIONS. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WHEN YOU WERE HERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO UM THERE WERE SEVEN MEMBERS SITTING HERE WE HAVE ONE ABSENT THIS EVENING AND ALL SEVEN HAD THE SAME COMMENT ABOUT A FLAT ROOF. BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANTED TO SEE. IN FACT. ANOTHER THING THAT WE STATED WAS THAT THESE HOMES DON'T MATCH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND YOU HAD AGREED AT THAT TIME. TO COME BACK WITH A PLAN THAT HAD HOMES THAT LOOK SIMILAR TO THE HOMES NEARBY. UM THESE ARE SINGLE CAR GARAGE IS WE REQUIRE DOUBLE CAR GARAGE. AND I JUST LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN AND I'M I'M I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT I'M DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE I SEE WHERE WE'VE. TAKE HIM OUT. WHAT WAS A SOCCER FIELD? AND PUT IN. FOUR PICKLES TO PICKLE BALL COURTS AND HALF BASKETBALL COURT. WE'VE TRIED TO

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PUSH A ROAD THROUGH IN THE BACK. WE'VE GOT A ROAD TO NOWHERE ACROSS THE BOTTOM OF THE PROPERTY THAT LEADS OFF INTO A FIELD WHERE WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS. WHO ALREADY LIVE IN HOMES THERE. AH! AND THEN YOU STATED SOMETHING ABOUT OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A ROAD BUILT BECAUSE THERE'S A DOTTED LINE THERE. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE SUBJECTIVE.

THOSE ROADS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE BUILT. THAT'S A THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT WILL CHANGE AND IT HAS ALREADY CHANGED. UM I JUST I DON'T THINK THAT WHEN YOU APPEARED BEFORE US THE LAST TIME DURING THE WORK SESSION, YOU TOOK THE COMMENTS SERIOUSLY? BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE WAY THAT THIS PROJECT LOOKS RIGHT NOW I WILL NOT SUPPORT IT. AND THAT'S MY FINAL COMMENT. CAN I ANSWER ON THAT? YOU'RE WELCOME TO OKAY. YES ACTUALLY, WHAT HAPPENED IS, UH, FIRST OF ALL, WHEN WE HAVE ALREADY PREPARED THOSE, UH, BUILDING ELEVATIONS. THOSE ARE ACTUALLY PRELIMINARY ONE AND WE GOT THE COMMENTS REGARDING THE FLAT ROOF. AND WE DID NOT REALLY. WE DID NOT REALLY WORKED ON THE DETAILED PLAN AT ALL. BECAUSE BECAUSE THESE ARE THREE D DIFFERENT COMPANIES NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED , BUT BUT YOU CAN SEE, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE AND THE BOTTOM CORNER. THERE IS A COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBOR AREA, WHICH IS NOT SIDE. THEY HAVE GOT SLOPE PROOF AND THAT THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO MAKE A COMPROMISE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE, UH, BEACH ROOF ANYWAY.

SO LET ME INTERRUPT YOU FOR ONE SECOND. SO YOU'RE EXPLAINING TO ME WHY YOU DID NOT FOLLOW. WHAT WE RECOMMENDED REQUESTED, AND YOU HAD AGREED TO EARLIER NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO. NOT ONLY DO WE CONTINUE TO HEAR THE SAME THING, BUT THERE'S WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE. WE'RE NOT GETTING OR YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO WHAT WE ARE SAYING, AND INSTEAD YOU'RE BRINGING BACK THE SAME THING. TONIGHT YOU'RE HERE FOR APPROVAL OF A PROJECT AND YOU ARE NOT PREPARED. YOU CAME BEFORE US WITH THE SAME DRAWINGS YOU BROUGHT LAST TIME. YOU DIDN'T DO ANY PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING. IF I APPROVED THIS , YOU CAN BUILD IT THE WAY THIS LOOKS. I'M NOT GOING TO APPROVE THIS. PERSONALLY THERE ARE FIVE OTHER GENTLEMAN SITTING HERE THIS EVENING. I WILL NOT VOTE AND SUPPORTED THIS PROJECT. IT DOES NOT MATCH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. YOUR WORDS AND YOUR PICTURES DO NOT MATCH. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY SO IN THAT IS, I WOULD SAY THAT WHAT YOU SEE ON THE FLAT ROOF. WE WILL FOLLOW THE, UH, WHAT IS CALLED A STANDARD ORDINANCES FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, BUT STILL THE BUILDING COLORS AND SETBACKS AND DESIGN WISE WINDOWS AND OTHER STUFF. WILL REMAIN SO IN THAT CASE, THE ROOF IS THE ONLY, UH, ISSUE WE CAN OVERCOME WITH THE SITUATION. IS THAT OKAY FOR WELL, I APPRECIATE THE RESPONSE. WE DO HAVE SEVERAL OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS IN ADDITION TO MYSELF, WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BOTH YOURSELF AND MR HASKINS? SO COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM SO I WANT TO ECHO SOME OF WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM HAS SAID, AND I WANT YOU TO HEAR OUR FRUSTRATION AND I DON'T GET FRUSTRATED VERY OFTEN. UM AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I THINK WE ALL DID YOU COME INTO A WORK SESSION. AND SAYING, HEY, I WANT TO TAKE TIME. I WANT YOU ALL TO CARVE OUT TIME. I WANT EVERYONE TO STOP AND LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, AND WE FELT LIKE WE TOOK A LOT OF TIME TO EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU TO HELP YOU SEE THAT VISION AS TO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND WHAT WE FEEL LIKE THOSE THAT VOTED US INTO OFFICE WOULD LIKE TO SEE BUT NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT THAT WE HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE. WE HAVE ALL OF THE TIME ENERGY AND EFFORT OF STAFF. WE HAVE EVERYONE WHO'S COME TO DO SO AND SO AND WHAT YOU PRESENTED IS THE SAME THING THAT YOU BROUGHT TO THE WORK SESSION. ALL I HAD PLANNED ON ASKING YOU IS WHAT CHANGES DID YOU MAKE? WE TALKED ALL THAT TIME ABOUT EVERYTHING. AND WHAT IS HERE NOW? AND THE FRUSTRATING PART FROM OUR STANDPOINT IS THEN LOOK LIKE YOU CHANGED. ANYTHING WAS KIND OF MAKES IT LOOK LIKE WE WASTED THE TIME EVEN HAVING THE WORK SESSION AND WE'VE WASTED EVERYBODY'S TIME COMING HERE. SHE GOT TO UNDERSTAND OUR FRUSTRATION IS TIME ENERGY EFFORT AND FINANCIAL RESOURCES, PART OF WHICH ARE ON YOUR COUNTERPARTS FOR THE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN PREPARED, OR SHOULD I SAY NOT BEEN PREPARED BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GO BACK AND MAKE ANY CHANGES? I'LL ECHO MAYOR PRO TEM. I WON'T SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AS IT STANDS, AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S MY ANSWER. OKAY UH, ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A MISUNDERSTANDING FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, AND I'M SORRY FOR THAT , BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING WAS

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ACTUALLY WE ARE GOING FOR A STRAIGHT, UH, ORDINANCES FOR THE CITY. AND THERE IT IS ALREADY EXPLAINED THAT THE FLAT ROOF IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. IT IS ALREADY CLEAR OVER THERE. SO MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT SINCE WE ARE NOT REALLY ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCE, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR BLACK ROOF AT ALL. I APPRECIATE THAT WE CAN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT IN CIRCLES. COUNCILMAN MILITIA WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AND THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. THANK YOU, MR AHMED. FOR BEING HERE TODAY. I WANT TO ECHO COUNSELOR WELLS AND MAYOR, PRO TEMP. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE MISUNDERSTANDING EACH OTHER. WE'RE NOT UNDER OR WE'RE JUST TALKING TO DIFFERENT WAYS. YOU'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE THE PROJECT. IF I GIVE YOU MY VOTE TONIGHT FOR THIS PROJECT, THERE IS NOTHING FOR ME TO STOP YOU FROM BUILDING WHAT YOU PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT. AND WHAT YOU PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT DOES NOT MEAN WHAT WE DISCUSSED DURING THE WORKSHOP TOGETHER. THE WORK SESSION. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROOF. MAYOR PRO TEM MENTIONED THE GARAGES. THAT'S NOT EVEN BEING MENTIONED TO THE DETENTION POND THAT'S ON THIS PROPERTY. WHO'S MANAGING? THAT IS H O A MANAGING THAT PROPERTY.

I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. AND WITHOUT ME HAVING THESE TYPES OF INFORMATION I CANNOT GIVE MY VOTE OR APPROVE A PROJECT THAT IT'S NOT DOES NOT MEET WHAT WE DISCUSSED THE LAST TIME. OKAY, SO I HOPE YOU GUYS GO BACK TO REDOING AND REVISITING. BUT YOU KNOW, MY I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS PROJECT TONIGHT. OKAY OUT. RATHER I MEAN REQUEST TO COME BACK FOR THE NEXT SESSION. FOR NOW, BEFORE BEFORE WE CAN CONSIDER ANY OF THAT. ANY REQUESTS LIKE THAT TONIGHT. WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. AND SO I'M GONNA ASK THAT IF YOU WILL STEP BACK. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE. SINCE WE HAVE POSTED FOR IT. SO IF YOU WILL STEP BACK AND GOING TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU TAKE A SEAT FOR US, OKAY, SO AS THIS, UH, FOR THIS ITEM THIS EVENING, I WILL HEREBY OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. IF WE HAVE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WAS PRESENT AND WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT OR IN GENERAL. BUT ASK THAT YOU STEP FORWARD AT THIS TIME. THEY WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

SIX. IF YOU ARE OFFICIALLY REPRESENTING AN ORGANIZATION, I DO WANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT I HAVE HAD QUITE A FEW FORMS THAT WERE TURNED IN. SO I WILL START WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS.

ONCE WE'RE DONE. I WILL THEN ASK IF ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK AT THAT POINT. UM I WILL ESSENTIALLY DO MY BEST TO CALL YOU IN ORDER OF RAISING YOUR HAND. BUT WE DO ASK THAT YOU COMPLETED FORM WITH MISS STORM OVER HERE SO THAT WE CAN RECORD WHO YOU WERE THAT CAME TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. SO WE'LL WORK THROUGH EVERYBODY HERE. SO THE FIRST FORM THAT I HAVE IS SEAN KIEFER. AND AGAIN WHEN YOU COME FORWARD IF YOU'LL START BY STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD FOR US, AND THEN WE'LL GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES IN WHICH TO ADDRESS COUNCIL. I DO ASK AS WELL. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE POSTED DEVELOPER THAT'S FINE, BUT I'D ASK THAT WE DON'T TURN AROUND AND TRY TO ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE WHO AREN'T FORWARD AT THE MICROPHONE. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS SEAN KIEFFER AND I LIVE AT 16, 11, KENNEDY DRIVE AND WILEY.

AND I WAS HOPING I WASN'T GONNA GO FIRST. BUT HERE I AM. IN THE ORDER THEY COME. I APPRECIATE THAT. UM SO. I JUST WANT TO START WITH TRAFFIC. I KNOW. COUNTRY CLUB OVERALL IS NOT AT EXPECTANCY. BUT YOU CAN'T TELL ANYBODY HERE THAT'S DRIVEN ON COUNTRY CLUB DURING RUSH HOUR AT 5, 44 AND BROWN, THAT IS NOT AT CAPACITY. I MEAN, THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY CRAZY, AND I THINK, ADDING 40 SOMETHING HOUSES 30 SOMETHING TOWN HOMES. IT'S JUST GOING TO MAKE IT EVEN WORSE. UM YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR THEY REDREW THE BOUNDARY LINES FOR ELEMENTARY BECAUSE IT'S OVERCROWDED. SO WE HAD TO GET PERMISSION FROM MY DAUGHTER TO FINISH HER LAST YEAR AT DOD SO THAT SHE COULD, YOU KNOW, FINISH ELEMENTARY WITH THEIR FRIENDS. SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE A SCHOOL OR WE WORK ON INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST, BEFORE WE ADD ALL THESE PEOPLE, AND THEN YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE SCHOOLS AND INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS ISN'T GONNA STAY A FIELD FOREVER. I'M WELL AWARE THAT SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS. YOU KNOW, THE CITY NEEDS MONEY. I GET IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT TOWN HOMES AND RETAIL IS THE ANSWER. UM YOU KNOW, I CAN AND I GUESS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHAT HE'S SAYING. THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK LIKE BUT YOU KNOW, I CAN CLIMB ONTO ANY ROOF AND WIDELY WITH THE 24 FT LADDER, AND THESE ARE 40 FT BUILDINGS WITH FLAT ROOFS WHAT HE'S SHOWING. UM IT'S JUST AN EYESORE LIKE THERE'S NOTHING IN WIDELY THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS. IT DOESN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S JUST IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING YOU WOULD FIND IN A GENTRIFIED NEIGHBORHOOD AND AUSTIN OR

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UPTOWN, NOT IN SMALL TOWN. WIDELY SO I JUST ASK, YOU KNOW. THAT ALL OF YOU VOTE UM, AS IF.

THEY WERE BUILDING RETAIL AND TOWN HOMES THAT LOOK LIKE THIS IN YOUR BACKYARD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT SPEAKER THIS EVENING IS DEANNE MONTINI. AND I DO APOLOGIZE. I DO MY BEST TO CORRECTLY PRONOUNCE EVERYONE'S NAME, BUT I TELL PEOPLE I AM VERY HUMAN. SO IF IT'S INCORRECT, I APOLOGIZE. DEANNE MARTINI, AND I LOVE IT. 404 ADAMS AVENUE AND WILEY. AND I'M HERE TONIGHT. MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED HERE ACTUALLY FROM WISCONSIN A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO. AND UM, IT'S KIND OF BEING OUT HERE IN WYLIE IS MORE KIND OF LIKE OUT IN THE COUNTRY TO US BEING KIND OF SIMILAR TO WISCONSIN AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE KIND OF TOOK TWO PRESIDENTIAL STATES IS DUE TO IT WAS SMALL, QUIET, NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND LIKE THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE ME, SAID YEAH, WE WEREN'T REALLY THRILLED WITH COUNTRY CLUB. I MEAN, I COULDN'T BELIEVE HOW YOU JUST CAN'T GET ACROSS. I MEAN, YOU SIT THERE FOREVER. I MEAN, ONCE YOU GET GOING, IT'S OKAY. BUT I CAN'T BELIEVE THE TIME WASTED JUST SITTING THERE. AND, UM, I WAS ACTUALLY IN WISCONSIN FOR THE LAST MONTH AND I HAD HEARD ABOUT ALL THIS GOING ON AND I WAS WE WERE REALLY CONCERNED BECAUSE UM AS WE ALL KNOW, THIS CAN ONLY MAKE COUNTRY CLUB CLUB EVEN BUSIER. I MEAN, THERE'S JUST NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. AND IF THEY MAKE A PATHWAY THROUGH OUR SUBDIVISION, I MEAN THAT'S GONNA CAUSE MORE CARS AND I ASK YOU AS A COUNCIL. YOU KNOW IF THIS WERE YOUR SUBDIVISION, WOULD YOU VOTE? YES FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE YOU WANT MORE PEOPLE COMING DOWN YOUR STREET AND YOU WANT TO WAIT LONGER AT COUNTRY CLUB BECAUSE IT WASN'T LONG ENOUGH AT FIRST FOR YOU TO SIT THERE. I'M SURE YOU'D BE THINKING. NO WAY. WOULD WE WANT THIS AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE FEEL. AND PRIOR TO ME COMING UP HERE. I HEARD THE COMMENT. I BELIEVE THAT HE SAID 40 HOMES WERE GIVEN A RIGHT TO VOTE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CORRECT AND NINE GAVE KNOWS BECAUSE FIELD ALL WE HEARD WAS THE PEOPLE AND KENNEDY WERE GIVEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT. LET ME EXPLAIN THAT REAL QUICK BECAUSE WE CAN DO A LITTLE BACK AND FORTH DURING THIS TIME. IT'S DIFFERENT THAN NON AGENDA. JUST SO, YOU KNOW, SO STATE LAW HAS A REQUIREMENT BASED ON HOW MANY FEET YOU ARE AWAY AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT SOMEONE GETS A CHANCE TO VOTE, BUT THEY ARE AUTOMATICALLY SENT A FORM SO THAT THEY CAN RESPOND AND IT IS JUST BASED. MR HASKINS. I BELIEVE IT'S 200 FT. YES SO IT'S 200 FT IN ANY DIRECTION FROM THE PROPERTY, SO THAT'S WHAT DETERMINES WHERE WE SEND THOSE OUT, TOO. SO IT WASN'T IT'S NEVER DONE IN A WAY TO TRY TO KEEP IT FROM SOMEONE ELSE OR THAT NO ONE ELSE CAN SPEAK. BUT THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO BY STATE LAW AUTOMATICALLY GET SENT THAT RESPONSE OUT SO THAT THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY SINCE IT DIRECTLY KIND OF ABUTS THEIR PROPERTY, SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW I DON'T I DON'T THINK THERE ARE 40 HOMES THAT ARE 200 FT. FROM THAT THAT I'M AWARE OF. SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM. I CAN ALWAYS HAVE MR HASKINS GIVE THAT I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T MEAN TO DERAIL YOU GO AHEAD AND FINISH. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WHY THEY GET SELECTED IN THAT MANNER. RIGHT WELL, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE IT'S THE TRAFFIC. THAT'S THE NOISE. AND THEN YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS PROJECT WOULD GO ON FOR, BUT YOU KNOW THE NOISE, THE CONSTRUCTION, THE DEBRIS IN THE AIR. I MEAN, THAT ALL DOES AFFECT YOU. YOU KNOW, I KNOW WINDOWS DON'T GET OPEN AS OFTEN HERE IN TEXAS. BUT WHAT THEY DO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT HERE. I GET IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THOSE THINGS TO BE ADDED IN, YOU KNOW, TO THE TO THE PICTURE, AND IT'S NOT A REALLY FUN SITUATION. SO I'M HOPING THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO GET TO GO THROUGH THAT. MAYBE WE CAN ONCE IN AWHILE, LEAVE OUR AREA TO BE A LITTLE COUNTRY. AND NOT BE SOUL, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL AND IN RESIDENTIAL, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. OUR NEXT HAVE MS WENDY GOOD. OKAY? MY NAME IS WENDY. GOOD I LIVE AT FOUR OR FOUR WASHINGTON PLACE. I'D MUCH RATHER TALK TO YOU ABOUT OR READ THIS BECAUSE OF TIME. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ZONING COMMISSION HAS SAVED US FROM PAST PROPOSALS FROM THIS AREA THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY DETRIMENTAL FOR WHICH WE ARE EXTREMELY GRATEFUL FOR. HOWEVER THERE ARE TWO MAJOR ASPECTS OF THIS PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT BECAUSE THEY DIRECTLY RELATE TO SAFETY. THE FIRST MAJOR CONCERN IS THE DIRECT CONNECTION AND ACCESS INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT AT WASHINGTON PLACE, IT WOULD MEAN AN INCREASE OF TRAFFIC WHERE THERE HAS BEEN NO THROUGH ACCESS. THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTS ALL OF US, BUT ESPECIALLY OUR OLDER NEIGHBORS AND FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN. ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS ON WASHINGTON PLACE HAS A LOT OF KIDS. AND THE

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MOTHER SAID THAT IF THIS HAPPENS , THEIR KIDS CANNOT PLAY IN THE FRONT YARD. IT IS NOT OKAY FOR OUR FAMILIES TO NOT FEEL SAFE IN THEIR OWN YARDS. THIS IS NOT THE WIDELY WAY I APPRECIATED THAT THE ZONING ZONING COMMISSION HEARD SOME OF OUR CONCERNS ENOUGH TO FIND SOME CREATIVE SOLUTIONS. ONE OF THEM WAS TO PUT A GATE AT WASHINGTON PLACE WHERE EMERGENCY CREWS CAN GET THROUGH. BUT INSTEAD WHY NOT EXTEND STREET BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO CREATE THE OTHER ACCESS ROAD AWAY FROM EXISTING HOMES OR SIMPLY EXTEND STREET C TWO COUNTRY CLUB? YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEN THERE IS THE ISSUE OF FLOODING WHEN IT RAINS BECAUSE IT ALREADY FLOODS BACK THERE, AND THERE'S THE ISSUE OF ADVERSE EFFECTS OF UH, INCREASED TRAFFIC ON OUR STREETS THAT ALREADY A POTHOLES A SECOND MAJOR CONCERN HAS TO DO WITH ADDING COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND BUSINESSES. IT'S ONE THING THIS YEAH, IT'S ONE THING TO BUILD HOMES. IT'S ANOTHER TO ADD BUSINESSES. THE MAIN POINT, THE BUILDER HAS SAID ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST WAS THAT WE NEED MORE BUSINESS. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NO MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF YOUR TEETH.

YOUR HAIR, YOUR NAILS, PET CAR, GET MEDICAL EMERGENCY MEETS AND IT NEEDS MET. EAT AT RESTAURANTS GO TO CHURCHES BUY GROCERIES, ALCOHOL, CIGARETTES, VAPING SUPPLIES, COFFEE, DONUTS, CLOSED FURNITURE, HOME DECOR, BUILDING SUPPLIES, AND YOU CAN EVEN GO TO COLLEGE WITHIN ONE MILE OF PRESIDENTIAL STATES. WE DO NOT NEED MORE BUSINESSES NEAR US, AND IT ONLY ADDS TO THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY CONCERNS. WE DO NOT WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT COUNTRY CLUB IS OWNED COMMERCIAL, BUT IF WE ARE WILLING TO CHANGE THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING TO RESIDENTIAL ARE YOU WILLING TO CHANGE THE COMMERCIAL ZONING TO RESIDENTIAL HOW ABOUT WE DON'T EVEN PUT COMMERCIAL THERE AND THERE ARE OTHER CREATIVE WAYS TO USE AND PRESERVE THAT LAND. AND LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN REMOVE THE COMMERCIAL PORTION AND YOU CAN SIMPLY EXTEND STREET STATED COUNTRY COVERED UP COOK CLUB ROAD YOU ONLY HAVE. THEN YOU HAVE YOUR TWO EXITS, AND YOU KEEP THAT TRAFFIC CONTAINED ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND ELIMINATES THE NEED TO CONNECT TO PRESIDENTIAL ESTATES. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR PROGRESS. I UNDERSTAND. WE CANNOT EXPECT TO HAVE FIELDS OF COWS BESIDE US FOREVER. BUT DOING THIS PROPOSAL ONLY MAKES WIDELY JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CITY BECAUSE USING OUR LAND LIKE THIS AND ADDING WORK, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS DIMINISHES OUR SMALL TOWN FEEL THAT I THOUGHT WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO PRESERVE IN THE MIDST OF PROGRESS THAT ALIGNS WITH THE WILY WAY. I DID IT. AND . COPIES SINCE I HAD TO SAY IT SO FAST IF YOU WANT TO COPY AND PAST SO YOU CAN LEAVE THOSE WITH MISS STORM. NEXT WE HAVE STEVE MONNIER. HELLO MY NAME IS STEVE MONJE. I LIVE AT FOUR OR THREE WASHINGTON PLACE. WILEY I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 30 YEARS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR CHANGE AND NEED FOR GROWTH. I DIDN'T EXPECT ALL YOU GUYS TO ACTUALLY KIND OF LISTEN AND HAVE THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD AS A NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'VE ALL KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE'RE CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM SOME OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, ALSO IS THE FLOODING BEHIND THE HOUSE WITH MUDDY CREEK BEING RIGHT THERE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO CONTAIN ALL THAT WATER THAT ACTUALLY RUNS THAT DIRECTION. SO UM, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF MY CONCERNS. UM ONE OF THE THINGS WE REALLY ASKED FOR IS IF WE COULD JUST BLOCK OFF WASHINGTON WITH MAYBE A GATE AND NOT THE BOX TO GIVE THE DEPARTMENT ACCESS IT WHENEVER THEY NEED IT, UM AND THEN KEEP OUR ROAD KIND OF CLOSED DOWN LIKE IT USED TO BE. I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GONNA GROW. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT FIELDS NOT GOING TO BE A FIELD FOREVER. I'M GLAD Y'ALL DIDN'T VOTE IN ANY APARTMENTS OR GROCERY STORES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN REALLY BAD FOR US. SO VERY APPRECIATIVE OF EVERYTHING YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT. I UNDERSTAND. HOUSING IS A IS A BIG THING RIGHT NOW AND I'M I'M FINE WITH HAVING HOUSES COME IN. IF THEY MEET THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY ARE A NEIGHBOR TO US. SO UM AGAIN, ONLY THING I WANT TO SAY IS TRYING TO SHUT OUR ROAD OFF. GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF PRIVACY BECAUSE WE'VE HAD IT FOREVER AND WE KIND OF DON'T WANT TO GIVE THAT UP. SO, UM AGAIN. THANK YOU ALL FOR LOOKING AT EVERYTHING KIND OF REWORKING ALL THE PLANS AND, UH I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. SO NEXT I HAVE GALA DOLL. I DO BELIEVE I BELIEVE SHE STEPPED OUT SO SHE RETURNS SHOULD BE WELCOME TO SPEAK. AND I BELIEVE DAVID DULL ALSO STEPPED OUT. SO IF HE RETURNS, HE WILL BE MORE THAN WELCOME TO SPEAK. MISS STORM THAT THE RECORD REFLECTED THERE ARE NO LONGER PRESENT. NEXT WE HAVE AMELIA BRAILLE. MY NAME IS MALIA BRIO, AND I LIVE AT 403 ADAMS AVENUE. UM I MOVED HERE

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FROM COLORADO AND WE SEARCHED AND SEARCHED FOR A HOME. FOR A VERY LONG TIME WHEN WE FOUND BAILLY. IT JUST IT WAS PERFECT. YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING. WE'RE NOT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF DALLAS.

WE HAVE ACCESS TO EVERYTHING WITHIN A FEW MILES, UM TRAFFIC IS HORRIBLE, EVEN FOR BEING SMALL, TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT OF UM OUR RESIDENTS ONTO COUNTRY CLUB. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT. I HAVE A SON HERE IN SCHOOL, BRINGING IN MORE HOMES AND STUFF. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THE KIDS. I TALKED WITH NEIGHBORS SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GETTING MORE KIDS AND EVERYTHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO, UM THE SCHOOLS BEING AS FULL AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW HE'S I AGREE WITH WHAT WAS SAID. YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE LOOK AT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THERE, UM, BEFORE ADDING MORE HOMES AND MORE KIDS IN THESE SCHOOLS. UM. THE OTHER THING. THAT WAS A CONCERN WITH ME AND MY HUSBAND WAS JUST NOT ONLY TRAFFIC, BUT THE SAFETY SIDE OF THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH ONLY HAVING THOSE TWO ACCESS POINTS INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE KNOW WHO'S COMING IN AND OUT. UM WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH VEHICLES, ADDING THAT ACCESS ON THAT BACKSIDE IS GOING TO CREATE MORE TRAFFIC AND MORE PEOPLE THAT WE WOULDN'T KNOW. COME THROUGH. I FEEL THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS SAFE WITH. WITH JUST HAVING THOSE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS THERE. UM LIKE THEY'VE SAID I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR, BUT I KNOW SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS AND I SEE THEM HERE AND WE WAVE AT EACH OTHER AS WE'RE WALKING. OUR DOGS ARE OUTSIDE PLAYING THERE. ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LISTENING TO US AND HEARING OUR CONCERNS.

IT'S THE SAME AS AS WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE BUT I WANTED TO BE HERE SO THAT MY VOICE WAS HEARD ALSO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY NEXT, I HAVE ALEXANDRA RAWLSON. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ALEXANDRA ROBSON. I LIVE IN 19 SEVENTIES FOR A CLAIM JUST ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF NORTH OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I FIND WRONG WITH THIS. WHOLE THING. AT LEAST 100 AND 50 VEHICLES FROM 75 HOUSING UNITS IS GONNA BE ADDING TO THAT. COUNTRY CLUB PLUS UNKNOWN NUMBER. OF ALL THE COMMERCIAL FRONT. FANS DEVELOPER THAT PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO'S GONNA BE THERE NOW. INADEQUATE PARKING FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN TOWN HOUSES.

BUILDING SETBACKS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IS 20 FT FRONT FRONT SET BACK IN 25 FT REAR SETBACK. HOUSES ARE GOING TO HAVE A 25 FT WIDE BACKYARD. VISUAL. MY PICK UP TRUCK IS 20 FT. LONG? THAT'S HOW YOU'LL MAKE SURE ADDRESS COUNCIL YAHOO! IF THAT'S HOW THAT'S HOW WIDE THEIR BACKYARD BACKYARD ARE GONNA BE. UM WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE PICKLEBALL COURT, BASKETBALL, COURT PLAYGROUNDS H I OR SYRIA VIOLENCE. EVERY SERIAL WILEY'S RESPONSIBLE. I AM NOT. I'M OPPOSED TO THAT. TO THAT IDEA, AND I'M NOT A FAN OF MY TAX MONEY. GOING TOWARDS SOMETHING TO BUILDER DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO AFTER IT'S BUILT.

DETENTION POND. WILL THIS BOND HAVE A FOUNTAIN? OR IS THE BUILDER PLANNING TO HAVE A MOSQUITO BREEDING GROUND BY LEAVING THE WATER STAGNANT? WHERE IS THE MALE BLOCK MAILBOX CLUSTER FOR, UH, LOCATED. UM IN MY OPINION ELEVATIONS OF THE SINGLE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES AND TOWNHOUSES OR HIDEOUS AND THEY DO NOT GO WITH ANYTHING ALONG WITH SYRIA, WIDELY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE IT. THEY BELONG IN DOWNTOWN DOLLARS. MAYBE AND, UM IMPACT AND I D. WE HAVEN'T HEARD OF DEVELOPER TALK, TOO. I SEE. WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IS GOING TO HAVE ON IT? MY GUESS IS KNOWING I DIDN'T WANNA SAY YEAH. BRING HIM IN. BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT. LET'S NOT FORGET THAT THE FM THE INTERSECTION OF 13 78 44 IS GOING UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S

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GONNA BRING MORE TRAFFIC. NARROWER TRAFFIC. AND, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA HELP. AND I KNOW I'M FORGETTING SOMETHING AMAZING. VERY FENCE ON A SOUTH WEST AND NORTH SIDE OF DEVELOPMENT. I'M NOT SURE BUT MASONRY FENCES. IT'S EITHER GREENING WALL. THINK SCREENING WALL FIXED SCREENING WALL. I DON'T FANS WOULD FENCE I DON'T KNOW WHAT MASON OFFENSES IS THAT LIKE JUST PILLARS AND IRON FANS, BUT THAT WAS JUST MY THINGS. SORRY THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I HAVE ONE MORE FORM, AND I BELIEVE IT'S FERRIS IS IT GOT AS CASSIE. MY NAME. FERROUS GHAZI. I LIVE ON 16 13 RECEIVED THEIR DRIVE, WHICH IS ABOUT ONE MILE TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROJECT. I SUPPORT I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY. BUT ANY ISSUE WE CAN. WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION FOR IT. EVEN IT'S FLOODING ISSUE OR ANYTHING , MOSTLY IF MORE FAMILIES MOVED TO WIDELY, WHICH IS WHAT ALL WILDLY ABOUT LIKE FAMILY. UH IT'S GONNA IT'S GONNA BE, I THINK SAFE FOR THEM. BUILDING A PROJECT IN THE FUTURE OR A WAREHOUSE OR SOMETHING. TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC, EVERYBODY TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC COUNTRY COUNTRY CLUB. IT'S THREE LANES EACH WAY . I TRAVEL A LOT, AND YOU SEE APARTMENT COMPLEXES BUILDING BUILT ON LIKE TWO WAY STREETS. TRAFFIC IT'S NOT AN ISSUE EVEN RUSH HOUR. ONLY THE FM AND COUNTRY COUNTRY CLUB LIKE IN THE MOST WE WAIT LIKE 23 MINUTES, SO WE CAN ADJUST THAT THAT TIMING OR ON THE TRAFFIC LIGHT TO ACCOMMODATE THE PEOPLE. THE TRAFFIC. I MEAN, WHAT? IN GENERAL, I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE NEED MORE FAMILIES TO MOVE TO WIDELY AND INSTEAD OF HAVING THE WIDELY PEOPLE GOING SOMEWHERE 10 15 MILES TO A DENTIST OR SOMETHING. THEY CAN DO IT JUST RIGHT. RIGHT. RIGHT. THE CORNER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. MISS STORM IS THAT IS THAT FOR THIS ITEM OF AS WELL? OKAY AND SO NEXT, WE'LL HAVE DARREN REEVES. DARREN REEVES, 16 03 KENNEDY DRIVE, WHILE HE TEXAS UM. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 25 YEARS . UM OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. I'VE WALKED OUT MY BACK DOOR AND LOOKED ALL ACROSS THAT OPEN FIELD IN NEW AT SOME POINT, THERE WAS GONNA BE SOMETHING BUILT THERE. I DIDN'T EXPECT A HODGEPODGE. THIS IS TOWN HOMES. THIS IS A PARK. THIS IS COMMERCIAL. THIS IS SINGLED WATTS. SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. THERE'S NO. AS I SAID, I'VE LIVED HERE 25 YEARS, AND THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT IN WALLY, SO THAT HODGEPODGE OF WHAT IS TRYING TO BE BUILT BEHIND MY HOME THAT I'VE LIVED AFTER 25 YEARS. THIS DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE. UM AGAIN. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO CHANGE WHEN WE MOVED HERE. COUNTRY CLUB WAS WAS TWO LANE SO AH, I NEVER IMAGINED THAT YOU WOULD FIT SIX LANES ACROSS IN THAT LITTLE IN THAT LITTLE GAP OF WHICH ALL DONE AND SO, UM, BUT I JUST I'M VERY, VERY SURPRISED AND DISAPPOINTED THAT SOMEONE WOULD TRY TO PUT A HODGEPODGE OF JUST ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN THAT THEY CAN IMAGINE IN IN THAT AREA. IT'S NOT LIKE THAT IN ANY OTHER AREA AND WILEY , IT MAKES NO SENSE TO HAVE A PARK RIGHT BEHIND PICKLEBALL COURT RIGHT BEHIND THE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL AND THEN SINGLE DWELLING HOMES RIGHT BEHIND IT. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST INCONSISTENT WITH ANYTHING WE HAVE IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND SO I'M OPPOSED. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO CHANGE, BUT I'M OPPOSED TO THIS CHANGE.

THANK YOU. OKAY? SO THAT DOES COMPLETE THE FORMS THAT I HAVE HAD TURNED IN. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND I WANT TO OPEN THE FLOOR NOW, IF YOU HAVE NOT COMPLETED A FORM, BUT YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM HAD ASKED THAT YOU RAISE YOUR HAND. IDENTIFY YOURSELF AT THIS TIME.

YES MA'AM. AND THEN WHEN YOU GET DONE SPEAKING, IF YOU WILL START BY MISS STORM AND COMPLETE A FORM FOR US, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. OH YOU, MA'AM. YOU CAN SPEAK

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FIRST, IF YOU'D LIKE TO. YEP IF YOU IF YOU WELL, WE'LL ASK YOU TO COMPLETE A FORM WHEN YOU'RE DONE. BUT THAT WAY YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SPEAK. THANK YOU. WELL I'M GLORIA HOLLIE AND OLLIE A BIT FOR A WAY TO ADAMS. AND WHEN WE DID COME TO A WHILE AGO, WE WANTED TO BE OUT THERE. PEOPLE COULD JUST BE FRIENDS. AND GET ALONG WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND WE WERE THINKING SO THANKFUL. WE FOUND A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT. AND WE THINK WELL, FOR Y'ALL LOST, SO THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF US. WHAT I HAD READ ON THE LITTLE PLATT. THAT WAS PRESENTED IS THAT. THE REASON I WANTED TO PUT THE HODGEPODGE OVER THERE IS BECAUSE OF THE COLLEGE. AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, IT IS THEIR JUNIOR COLLEGE. BUT THEY'RE ONLY HERE TWO YEARS RIGHT NOW. WHY WOULD THEY NEED A LITTLE AREA CALLED COLLEGE PARK. AND I THOUGHT, WELL, OF COURSE, KIDS WILL BE COMING IN AND OUT OF WHICH THEY DO FOR THE COLLEGE. WHAT YOU NORMALLY THINK OF AND SOMETIMES I COME A LITTLE FAST DOWN THAT ROAD. HOUNA COUNTRY CLUB. BUT THEN I THOUGHT, WELL, WHY COULDN'T THEY BUILD NASSER LITTLE HOMES AND SPREAD THEM OUT? NOT TRYING TO PUT ON SO CLOSE TOGETHER. AND NOT. PUT THEM LIKE THIS SIZE SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF LITTLE HOMES. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL PART. I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT A COMMERCIAL PART AND THEN HAVE OUR HOUSES. I'M JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE THAT DOESN'T QUITE MAKE SENSE. THE END. I'M NOT HAVE A PLACE TO COME IN AND OUT. THAT WOULD BE LIKE A YOU KNOW BEST FOR EVERYBODY THERE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. AH! WE'VE LOVED LIVING HERE AND NOW WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE OLDER.

NOW YOU COULD TELL THAT WHEN I WALKED UP HERE THAT JUST THINK ABOUT US OUT THERE TRYING TO PROTECT US LIKE YOU'VE BEEN DOING. AND AGAIN. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IF ANYONE IS PRESENT WOULD LIKE TO STEP FORWARD TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. WE WOULD ASK YOU TO DO SO AT THIS TIME. OKAY? BUT THAT MISS STORM, PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS SOUGHT TO STEP FORWARD TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. SO WITH THAT I WILL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS ALREADY, MAYOR PRO TEM IF YOU'RE PREPARED , I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION WOULD BE OPEN TO EMOTION. I WILL REMIND YOU BEFORE, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE APPLICANT DID ASK ABOUT TABLING THE ITEM. BUT THE MOTION IS THAT ABILITY TO CREATE A MOTION IS YOURS. THANK YOU. MAYOR WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS PROJECT THIS TIME. OKAY? WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND COUNCILMAN? MILLISECOND WE HAVE A MOTION WITH THE SECOND. TO DENY THE ITEM IS PRESENTED. COUNCIL POLICE CAST YOUR VOTE.

IN THE MOTION CARRIES 60 WITH COUNCILMAN STRING ABSENT THE ITEM IS DENIED. WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER TWO THIS EVENING, ACTUALLY MISS STORM. UM, WE'LL TAKE A QUICK RECESS. I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE BEEN HERE FOR ONE ITEM, AND WE HAV

[2. Hold a Public Hearing, consider, and act upon, the writing of an ordinance for a change in zoning from Neighborhood Services (NS) to Neighborhood Services - Special Use Permit (NS-SUP) on 1.814 acres to allow for a Smoke Shop Use. Property located at 456 Country Club Road Suite 126 (ZC 2023-16).]

WITH THAT I WILL MOVE US BACK INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. WE WERE ON ITEMS TO WHICH IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDERING ACT UPON THE WRITING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, AND ASKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND S S U P ON 1.814 ACRES TO ALLOW FOR A SMOKE SHOP USE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 56 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD SUITE 1 26 ZONING CASE, 2023. DASH 16 , MR HASKINS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. UM AS MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A VAPE SHOP AT 4 56 COUNTRY CLUB. THAT'S JUST RIGHT UP THE STREET HERE. UM PAST 7 11. UM THE S U P DOES ASK FOR A COUPLE OF VARIANCES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE. ONE IS AT THE S U P BEING ALLOWED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, UM, WHICH IS NOT LISTED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. BUT THE S U P CONDITIONS CAN ALLOW THAT. UM THAT NO SMOKE SHOP ESTABLISHED ME BE WITHIN 1500 FT OF ANOTHER SMOKE SHOP, AND THERE IS A VAPE SHOP ALREADY IN A, UH STRIP MALL . THAT'S RIGHT TO THE NORTH OF

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THIS, AND ALSO THAT, UM, YOU'RE NOT BE WITHIN 300 FT OVER PRIVATE SCHOOL, AND THIS WOULD BE WITHIN THE 300 FT TO THE PRIMROSE DAYCARE, WHICH IS CONSIDERED A PRIVATE OR PUBLIC SCHOOL BY STATE LAW. UM WE DID SEND NOTICES TO SIX PROPERTY OWNERS. THERE WAS ONE RESPONSE RECEIVED IN FAVOR TWO OR AN OPPOSITION. AND THEN P AND Z DID OFFER SOME DISCUSSION AND DUE TO THE PROXIMITY TO NOT ONLY THE VAPE SHOP, BUT THERE IS ALSO A ONE STOP BEER AND WINE AND A 7 11 THAT ALSO SELL SELL SIMILAR PRODUCTS, UM WITHIN THE 1500 FT. UM AND THE RESIDENTIAL AND NEXT TO THE DAYCARE. THEY DID RECOMMEND DENIAL BY A UNANIMOUS VOTE OF 7 TO 0. AND IN THE LIGHT OF THAT IT WOULD TAKE A SUPERMAJORITY TONIGHT AT COUNCIL TO OVERTURN THAT DECISION, AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY? COUNCIL. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU BELIEVE WE'RE RIGHT? IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL, UM I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS PRESIDENT WAS JUST TO STEP FORWARD TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO SO AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT. THE STORM.

PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT NO ONE HAS STEPPED FORWARD TO SPEAK DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING. SO WITH THAT I WILL CLOSE IT. AND UNLESS WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM OPEN TO A MOTION ON THE ITEM. COUNCILMAN MALIKI. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST. MR OR DO WE NEED TO READ IT OUT AS WRITTEN OR IS A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST SUFFICIENT. I WOULDN'T READ IT OUT. OKAY SO, COUNCILMAN MALIKI, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO AMEND YOUR MOTION AMEND MY MOTION MOTION TO DENY A REQUEST FOR CHANGING IN THE ZONING FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. SPECIAL USE PERMIT. ON THE ONE POINT. 814 ACRES TO ALLOW FOR A SMOKE USED PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 56 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD SUITE. 1 26 ZONING. 2023-16 OKAY? WE HAVE A MOTION THAT IT WAS AMENDED AND STATED. TO DENY . DO WE HAVE A SECOND COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS? THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL SECOND IT, OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION WITH THE SECOND AS STATED TO DENY COUNCIL PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES 60. AND THE ITEM IS DENIED. WITH COUNCILMAN STRING APPS. THANK YOU. THAT WILL MOVE US TO ITEM THREE, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER AND

[3. Consider, and act upon, the award of a professional services project order (PSPO) #W2023-84-E for the Historic Downtown Traffic & Drainage Improvements Phase 1, Project to Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc. in the amount of $1,367,700 and authorizing the City Manager to execute any necessary documents.]

ACT UPON THE AWARD OF A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES PROJECT ORDER P S P O W 2023-84 DASH E FOR THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN TRAFFIC AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS PHASE ONE PROJECT KIM LEE HORN AND ASSOCIATES AND CORPORATE RATED IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,367,700 AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. SO MR PORTER, ARE YOU KICKING THIS OFF FOR US? MR MARY? YES, I AM AHEAD. THANK YOU FOR SEEING ME HERE ONCE AGAIN. I FEEL LIKE IN FRONT OF EVERY MEETING, TRYING TO SPEND MORE MONEY. YOU'RE GETTING THE ROADWAYS COMPLETED.

I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GONNA HEAR ANY COMPLAINTS. SO UM, I WILL TELL YOU I'VE LISTED ALL THE BULLET POINTS IN THE ITEM THAT WE'RE COVERING UNDER HERE. IT DOES SEEM LIKE A PRETTY LARGE NUMBER I SEE FOR ENGINEERING. HOWEVER IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS YOU PUT THEM TOGETHER. IT REALLY IS, UH, OIL WITH THAT THE WAY WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, UM IT WAS REQUESTED OF STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER KIND OF A FIRST PHASE AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD DOWNTOWN. THIS IS STAFF'S BEST. UM IDEAS AS FAR AS , UM, THE FIRST STEPS AND MOVING FORWARD WITH A WITH DOWNTOWN RENOVATIONS, SO TO SPEAK, INCLUDING DRAINAGE TRAFFIC. UM THERE'S GONNA BE UPDATES TO TWO DIFFERENT SIGNALS THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADDING TO SIGNALS WE'RE GOING TO BE UM, PUTTING TOGETHER PLANS FOR BIRMINGHAM FOR THAT PIECE THAT'S MISSING, ADDING TO LEFT TURN LANES ON 78 AT BALLARD. AH AND THEN DOING SOME UM, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS ON BIRMINGHAM. AND DO IT. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA ATTEMPT TO DO THE DO THE ONE WAY CONFIGURATIONS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE IN COUNCIL BEFORE AND HAS BEEN SUPPORTED. SO WITH ALL THOSE THINGS TOGETHER, UM DO YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU? THE TOTAL FROM THE. OH I WANT TO ALSO ADD THAT AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS BEFORE. I HAVEN'T DONE THIS BEFORE. WITH COUNCIL BUT WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO COME COME UP WITH A THEME FOR DOWNTOWN TO YOU KNOW, UM WE ASSUMED IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE HISTORIC THEME. AND SO PART OF WHAT? THIS IS THE ITERATIONS. WE'RE GONNA GO

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THROUGH WITH THE DESIGN ENGINEER IS THEY'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER SOME COLOR RENDERINGS, AND WE'RE GOING TO COME TO COUNSEL WITH THOSE AND SHOW YOU KIND OF DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT WE HAVE IN COUNCIL WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF TELL US WHAT THEY LIKE WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE AND HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, AND THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION OF KIM LEE HORN. THAT'S DONE THIS BEFORE AND IS READY TO MOVE FORWARD AND HELP WILEY OUT WITH THIS, TOO. UM I WILL TELL YOU THAT JUST IN PUTTING TOGETHER THE SCOPE WE HAVE WE HAVE HAD WHAT PROBABLY SIX DIFFERENT MEETINGS WITH KIM LEE HORN TO TRY AND JUST BACK AND FORTH THE IN PERSON MEETINGS, VIRTUAL MEETINGS, UM, TO COME UP WITH WHAT WE FIGURE IS A IS WHERE WE WHERE WE THINK COUNCIL MAY WANT TO GO WITH THIS. NOW IT'S UP TO YOU ALL TO LET ME KNOW WHETHER YOU ALL HAVE THAT SAME FEEL OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. WELL, THANK YOU, SIR. UM I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF QUITE QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU THE FIRST ONE. OBVIOUSLY I KNOW THAT IT'S LOOKING AT SOME DRAINAGE DESIGN, OBVIOUSLY OVER ON BIRMINGHAM. IS THAT A SURFACE DETENTION RETENTION ON THE LITTLE ABUTMENT OR BUT OUT OR, HOWEVER, IT'S PHRASED OR IS THAT KIND OF A PHASE ONE OF UNDERGROUND? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF BOTH ABOUT SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE DETENTION THAT'S THERE ALONG THE BIRMINGHAM ALONG THE WEST SIDE THERE. AND THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT GETTING THE THAT OF THE DRAINAGE ALONG BIRMINGHAM UNDERGROUND. OKAY? AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS. I KNOW IT. TALKS ABOUT SIGNING STRIPING WAY FINDING I'M GOING TO CALL IT THE BLUE AREAS WAS DIRECTED TO THIS EXHIBIT. YEAH MY QUESTION ON THAT IS DOES THAT INCLUDE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STRIPING AND THINGS DOES THAT INCLUDE DESIGNING OR PLANNING FOR THE NEW SIDEWALKS AND THINGS THAT WILL GO IN? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GOING WHEN WE GO ONE WAY THE TALK HAD BEEN ABOUT CHANGING TO PARALLEL PARKING, AND THEN ALL THE CHANGING TO HEAD IN PARKING AT TOWARDS BALLARD AND 78. SO RIGHT, SO TO BE HONEST WITH YOU THIS THIS IS A PHASE ONE. SO WE SO THIS PHASE ONE DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL OF THE UPDATES TO THE SIDEWALKS AND THE . PARALLEL PARKING AND LIGHTING . UM AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. WHAT WE FIGURED IS THAT, UM WE WOULD USE THESE PLANS AND THEN, LIKE A PHASE TWO WOULD BE MORE DETAILED DESIGN OF EACH INDIVIDUAL BLOCK THAT WE WOULD WANT DONE FROM THERE AS WE GET FUNDING FOR THOSE, OKAY? AND I UNDERSTAND IT. I BELIEVE IT MAKES SENSE THAT WE KNOW I'VE TALK TO YOU AND MANY PEOPLE BEFORE, AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ABOUT WE CAN'T GO THROUGH AND REALLY TRY TO REMOVE A LOT OF THAT PARKING BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, SIDEWALKS AND NEW PARKING DOESN'T GET INSTALLED OVERNIGHT. ON THAT KIND OF SCOPE , AND SO UNTIL DO WHAT WE MAY HAVE SOME IDEAS AS TO HOW TO IMPROVE THOSE AREAS, OBVIOUSLY, FOR CHANGING TO A ONE WAY DIRECTION. THE PARKING HAS TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT. YOU KNOW, NOW WE WON'T BE MOVING ALL THE SIDEWALKS OUT. AT THIS POINT, HOWEVER, THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER IDEAS THAT WE COME UP WITH THAT WE COULD USE THEM. SOME OF THOSE AREAS MORE. SUCCESSFUL. NO WORRIES. I JUST WAS GOING TO POINT OUT NOW THE BIRMINGHAM EXTENSION AND GETTING I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER STEPS TO GETTING THAT PARKING OVER THERE.

BUT UNTIL SOME OF THAT'S DONE. IT'S REALLY HARD TO TAKE AWAY ALL THE EXISTING PARKING FOR ALL OF OUR BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE VISITING DOWN THERE, SO CORRECT UNDERSTAND THE PHASED APPROACH, MR PARKER. I JUST WANTED TO ADD REAL QUICK MAYOR. THANK OUR INTENTION FROM MY PERSPECTIVE WILL BE. UM TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND HAVE SEVERAL WORK SESSIONS REALLY, TO TRY TO GET YOUR VISION. FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT YOU WANT DOWNTOWN TO LOOK LIKE. I KNOW MISS ALI'S WORKED QUITE EXTENSIVELY ON ON KIND OF HER VISION FOR WHAT DOWNTOWN COULD BE. AND, UM. SINCE WE ARE LTD. ON FUNDING RIGHT NOW, UM THESE WERE JUST KIND OF THE STILL MENTIONED PHASE ONE, BUT UM, I THINK THE NEXT PHASES WILL BE FOR ANOTHER BOND ELECTION. AND YOU KNOW KIND OF JUST FINISHING OFF DOWNTOWN. BUT THOSE WILL BE SEVERAL WORK SESSIONS THAT WILL WILL HOLD WITH Y'ALL TO TRY TO GET YOUR VISION ON. EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT TO LOOK LIKE. OKAY THANK YOU, SIR. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT RENE. MISS ALI WAS ALSO IN ONE OR TWO OF THESE MEETINGS WHILE WE WERE COMING TO THE SCOPE TO SO OKAY, NOW I UNDERSTAND COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR, MR PORTER. FOLLOWING UP ON MR PARKER STATEMENT. ABOUT FUNDING AND BUDGETS, THE BOND THAT WE PASSED FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AM I RIGHT? WOULDN'T THAT 5,000,005 MILLION? YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE POINT. SIX IS THAT RIGHT? 1.3 0.3, SO THE BALANCE

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THAT'S LEFT THAT IS GOING TO END UP GOING TOWARD EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ALL THE SIDEWALKS, THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT PREVIOUSLY WITH THE PARKING AND CHANGES DOWN THERE. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH SO THE 1.3 MILLION THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED TONIGHT IS JUST FOR THE DESIGN. IT'S NOT FOR ANY OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE ITEMS. JUST THE DESIGN THAT'S CORRECT. ANY OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S CORRECT. YES. OKAY, SO FURTHER ON THAT. WHATEVER IS REMAINING, UM, AT THE END OF DESIGN. WE. THE RULE OF FILM IS WELL, I WON'T I WON'T GO INTO THAT. BUT WE PROBABLY WON'T GET UP WITH THE CURRENT BOND FUNDING THAT WE HAD. WE PROBABLY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD EVERYTHING THAT OUR DESIGNERS GOING TO PUT TOGETHER FOR US. UM BUT WE WILL WORK TO PHASE IT SO THAT WE CAN USE WHATEVER MONEY WE THAT WE DO HAVE TO WORK. THOSE ITEMS THAT THAT WE AND COUNCIL FIELDS ARE THE BEST PERSON ITEMS TO WORK ON OR IF SOMEHOW OTHER FUNDING COMES AVAILABLE. THEN WE COULD USE THAT AND WE WOULD ALREADY HAVE PLANS IN THAT 1.3. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE BIG BULK OF THE COST BEING THE DEBTS? BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A I MEAN, WE PASSED THE $5 MILLION BOND. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 20% OF THE BOND IS, YOU KNOW MORE THAN 20% 22 23% OF THE BOND IS JUST DESIGNED WHERE? WHERE ARE WE? RIGHT? SO. SO I'LL TELL YOU I'LL JUST BE UPFRONT.

HONEST WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. I HADN'T I HAD IT. OKAY WE DIDN'T. WE DIDN'T MISS.

THIS IS JUST WHAT WAS DECIDED TO PUT IN. BOND PACKAGE. WE DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING. IT WAS JUST DECIDED TO 5 MILLION WAS GOING TO BE ALLOCATED FOR DOWNTOWN. WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT UM, THE COST WERE TO DO ANYTHING DOWNTOWN. WE KNEW THAT. UM THE. AND IN THE WORK MINISTER MIGHT BE A STRONG WORD IS GOING TO BE QUITE EXTENSIVE. I MEAN, LAST TIME 10% IT ON DOWNTOWN. I THINK THE TOTAL WAS ABOUT $20 MILLION.25 MILLION DOLLARS. TO DO THAT PROJECT CORRECT DOWNTOWN. SO UM, THIS WAS JUST. UM TO GET SOME OF THESE PHASE ONE ITEMS ACCOMPLISHED. IT WILL BE. YOU KNOW, IT'LL HAVE TO BE ON ANOTHER BOND. UM AND I DON'T RECALL ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WENT INTO THIS, OBVIOUSLY THAT PREDATES ME. UM I WILL SAY THAT FROM A FUNDING STANDPOINT, WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE LANGUAGE AND THE CURRENT BOND, BUT WE MAY HAVE UM SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE BALLARD STREET. SEXY ROAD. BECAUSE THAT THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE COMPLETED BECAUSE SAXON DOES NOT HAVE THERE. FUNDING. TO FINISH THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT BUT I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THE LANGUAGE SAYS. I HAVE TO. STEPHANIE SENT ME AN EMAIL ON IT AND NOT HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT. BUT IF IT SAYS IN THERE THAT IT'S FOR BALLARD STREET AND YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO GET IN A LEGAL OPINION, BUT BASICALLY WE COULD SINCE WE'RE USING IT FOR BALLARD. YEAH POTENTIALLY COULD BE SOME FUN IN THERE. UM. BUT IT'S WE KNEW ALL ALONG THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. UM AND I KNOW WE KNEW THAT WE HAD DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WORK YOU KNOW, ON UNKNOWN AND THAT THEY WERE EXTENSIVE. SO THAT THAT'S NO SHOCK. I JUST I THINK SOME OF IT WAS ON THE BOND PACKAGE IN MY MIND. IT DOESN'T MEAN I'M RIGHT IN MY MIND. THAT LONG PACKAGE WAS MORE OF A SIDEWALKS AND ALL OF THE THINGS WE HAD DONE THE STUDIES ON AND THIS IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO THAT. SO WE CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT DOING THIS. I UNDERSTAND. I THINK THE NUMBERS ARE JUST LIKE ALWAYS WHEN YOU GET INTO A PROJECT A LITTLE ALARMINGLY. I DON'T REALLY RECALL REALLY HAVING ANYTHING OUTLINED DOWNTOWN. UM AND THE BOND PACKAGE OTHER THAN JUST THAT MONEY SET ASIDE. I DON'T THINK THERE WERE ANY SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED. YEAH, BUT I RECALL. AND JUST I'LL ADD TO THAT WE KIND OF GOT A RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME FROM THE BOMB COUNCIL OR THE THAT BOND COMMITTEE. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THEIR TECHNICAL TITLE WAS. THEY GAVE US AN AMOUNT THAT WAS KEPT VERY OPEN ENDED ON WHAT THE MONEY WOULD BE USED FOR BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER HAD I SHOULDN'T SAY. NEVER LOOK. WE HAD NOT HAD ANY RECENT DRAINAGE STUDIES, TRAFFIC STUDIES OR ANYTHING REALLY DONE TO UNDERSTAND. THE TOTAL IMPACT THAT IT WOULD HAVE SO JUST JUST A LITTLE BIT BACK FROM LIKE THAT TO ADD ON TO HELP. ANSWER, UH WILLIAMS. UM. WELL WORKING IN DOWNTOWN AREA. IT'S NOT LIKE BUILDING A ROAD. UH OUT IN THE

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COUNTRY. YOU KNOW HOW TO OUT ON THE OUTSKIRTS? YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN. THERE ARE A LOT OF EXTENUATING FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY. THERE'S A LOT OF EXISTING UTILITIES. WE HAVE TO DO GEO TEXT STUDY. WE HAVE TO DO SUBSURFACE UTILITY INVESTIGATION TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE CAN PUT THINGS AND HOW THINGS FIT IN THE GROUND. ALSO, AS I WAS MENTIONING THE THEME NG THE WAY FINDING ALL THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY DO WITH A REGULAR LIKE ROADWAY PROJECTS. SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS KIND OF ADD UP TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH A LITTLE BIT WITH MAY LOOK LIKE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER PRICE TAG FOR, UM, FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING DOWNTOWN, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW JUST JUST DESIGNING SINGLE SIGNAL IS 200 TO OUR QUESTION. $1000 SO YOU KNOW THIS. THIS INCLUDES TWO OF THOSE AND THEN UPDATING TO OTHER SIGNALS. SO THERE'S A LOT THAT THAT'S GOING INTO THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE THAT'S HELPING ANSWER A LITTLE BIT. YEAH, OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO TIM. I'M PRETTY EASY GOING GUY. I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND. WHAT I KNOW THE SCOPE WORK. I'VE READ THROUGH THIS THING. 15 TIMES IN THE LAST THREE DAYS TO UNDERSTAND IT BETTER. BUT AS I LOOK AT THIS, I KIND OF WANT TO KNOW WHAT TO DELIVER. RUBBLES ARE AT THE END OF THE DAY. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PHASE ONE, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING A STRATEGY AND SIGNALS. IMPROVEMENTS AND DESIGN, ETCETERA. WHAT'S SOMETHING TANGIBLE? THAT IF I WAS SPEAKING. FOR THE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ELECTED US THAT SAY , OKAY, WE'RE GETTING READY TO SPEND $1.36 MILLION WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR THAT? WHAT CAN I SEE FOR THAT? WHAT AM I GOING TO SEE MOVING FORWARD SO THAT IT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT SAYS HEY, THIS IS THE PLAN, BUT NOW WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO DO THE PLAN. BUT THIS IS A $5 MILLION BOND. ELECTION THAT CAME THROUGH THIS IS ABOUT 3.7 REMAINING AFTER THIS IS DONE. SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET FOR THAT? WHAT? WHAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE A DELIVERABLE THAT WE CAN SAY? HEY, YEAH, WE SPENT THAT ON THE DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN ON THE DESIGN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T START WITHOUT A DESIGN. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WHAT? WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE CITIZENS GOING TO SEE FOR THAT $5 MILLION AT THE END OF THE DAY? IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. UM AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GOING TO TRY THAT. WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND FIGURE THAT OUT DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS AS FAR AS I MEAN, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE SOMETHING I KNOW AT THE VERY MINIMUM. WE'RE GOING TO GET ONE WAY STREETS, RIGHT? UM IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO NEED THE SIGNALS, BUILD AND WHATNOT TO GET THAT DONE. THOSE THINGS I CAN I CAN SAY TODAY THAT THAT'S THAT'S IN THE PLAN AS FAR AS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE CONSTRUCTED AT THE END OF THIS, THOSE HIGH DOLLAR ITEMS. THE BUILDING OF BIRMINGHAM IS A HIGHER DOLLAR ITEM. UM IN ORDER TO GET THE ONE WAY STREETS. WE HAVE TO GET THAT DONE SO IT ALL KIND OF FITS TOGETHER, AND WE'LL WEAR ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, SO MAYBE WAY FINDING YOU KNOW, GETS DESIGNED BUT NOT AND INPUT IT AT THIS POINT. I MEAN, I DON'T WE DON'T KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS WHOLE SCOPE IS TO DO IS TO HELP US IDENTIFY NEXT STEPS AND ACTUALLY, THEY'RE THEY'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING PLANS TOGETHER . THIS IS NO LONGER A STUDY ANYMORE. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOU ALL BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR A WHILE. AND WE DID NEED TO DO STUDIES. WE NEED TO DO TRAFFIC. WE NEED TO DRAINAGE. THEY ARE THEY ARE USING THOSE STUDIES JUST EVEN IN COMING UP WITH A SCOPE. THIS. WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY START SEEING SOME RESULTS FROM NOW. YOU WON'T SEE IT FOR A LITTLE WHILE BECAUSE THE DESIGN AND ALL IN ALL THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT SO ANOTHER KIND OF KIND OF FRIEND WE HAD ON THIS BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S THE YEAR HALF PROBABLY UNTIL COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, AND I GUESS THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT AS WE GET CLOSE TO COMPLETING THIS PHASE ONE. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE PHASES INSIDE THIS THAT WE'LL SEE COMPLETED. SO IN OTHER WORDS, AS WE GET FINISHED WITH THIS DESIGN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN IMPLEMENT FROM THIS DESIGN. WITH THE REMAINING FUNDS, AND I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TIMETABLE IS TO DWELL DOWN TO THOSE SO THAT WE CAN SAY HEY, YES, WE'RE DOING. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND HERE THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN OVER THIS PERIOD OF TIME, OKAY? AND WE CAN ALSO START FUTURE PLANNING TO WE CAN ALSO START. FIGURING OUT WHEN YOU KNOW WEDNESDAY NIGHT BEST TIME FOR BOND TO GO FORWARD WITH SOME OF THESE FUTURE AND WE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE FORWARD THIS I WILL TELL YOU. THIS IS THE LAST DESIGN OR STUDY THAT WE'RE GONNA DO BEFORE WE ACTUALLY START SEEING WORK HAPPENING DOWNTOWN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. YOU'RE WELCOME.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN MILITARY YES. THANK YOU, MR REPORTER. UM, I GUESS MY THOUGHT IS. WE'RE DOING BIRMINGHAM, JACKSON AND BALLARD. BUT I CONSIDER JEFFERSON MARBLE OAK THROUGH GROUND ALL THE WAY

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TO 78 WITH THE PROPERTY THAT IT'S GOING TO COME. THESE DESIGNS ARE GOING TO TAKE A YEAR AND A HALF TO GET THIS PROJECT EVEN IN THE PIECE OF PAPER. BY THAT TIME, I SUSPECT THAT SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS ARE GOING TO COME IN, SHOULDN'T WE? EXPAND THERE'S DESIGN THROUGH TO GET THE CONCEPT. ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE 78 AND COMING BACK BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF DOWNTOWN THAT'S GOING TO BE INTEGRAL PART OF DOWNTOWN AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE DOWNTOWN WALK THROUGHS THROUGH JEFFERSON THROUGH MARBLE THROUGH BROWN. SO I DON'T WANT TO. SPEND . $1.4 MILLION TODAY ON PHASE ONE. THERE WAS A PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO COME ON BROWN AND 78. AND THEN WE'RE HAVING TO ADJUST OR THE MONEY WE JUST SPENT. WE MAY HAVE TO REDUCE SOME OF THE THINGS SO I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF MY UNDER MY THOUGHT PROCESSES. ARE WE TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WE'RE DOING THESE STUDIES? ARE WE TAKING THAT? THOUGHT DEVELOPMENT PHASE OR DO WE NEED TO EXPAND THE SCOPE A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE SPENT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO INCLUDE THAT. AS PART OF THIS DOWNTOWN BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S PART OF DOWNTOWN. THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA AFFECT WALKWAYS THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT ALL OF IT. SURE, THE A. D. C. IS ADDRESSING A LOT OF THAT AS THEY DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY. THE DRAINAGE. THE SIDEWALKS. ALL THAT IS BEING ADDRESSED ON THE PROPERTY. OKAY WE'RE FOCUSING MAINLY ON THE DOWNTOWN AREA. BETWEEN BALLARD AND MOVING. WEST. THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE IS TO AND THAT IS PART OF WHAT I NEED TO GET OUT OF COUNSEL, MS. NOT TONIGHT, BUT I NEED TO GET OUT OF COUNCIL IS WHAT DO YOU ALL WANT TO INCLUDE? AS THE DOWNTOWN AREA? WHAT ARE THE BOUNDARIES OF DOWNTOWN IS A RAILROAD TRACK. BROWN AND 78. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO INCLUDE IN A FUTURE BOND PACKAGE? WHAT EXACTLY IS THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD. YEAH, THIS CURRENT PROJECT IS NOT INCLUDE. THE 78 DEVELOPMENT AND THE E. D. C. I MEAN, I KNOW TIM'S WORKING WITH JASON ON THE DRAINAGE AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS ON THAT ABC PROPERTY BUT IT WON'T BE. I KNOW JASON IS TAKING A LOT OF THE WATER OFF OF BASICALLY EAST OF BALLARD. MARBLE AND JEFFERSON JACKSON JACKSON. E. EAST. TO THE D. C PROPERTY, SO THERE ARE CONSIDERATIONS BEING MADE. ON THAT DEVELOPMENT, BUT FROM A. I GUESS IMPROVEMENT STANDPOINT FOR ROADS AND SIDEWALKS AND THINGS. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR AND IN ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I BRING IT UP.

NOT TO SAY THAT THIS PROJECT WHAT I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT I SEE JEFFERSON JEFFERSON IS GOING TO GO TO THAT EU SEE PROPERTY AND YES, BBC IS GOING TO DO THEIR STUDIES WITHIN THAT PROPERTY AND DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY. BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE WALKWAYS TO BALLARD SHRINK FROM THE E. D. C PROPERTY THROUGH JEFFERSON THROUGH MARBLE THROUGH OAK. ON THAT AREA COMING UP AND SHOPPING, EVEN SHOPPING DOWNTOWN. MAYBE PARK ON. ON THE PROPERTY ONCE IS DEVELOPED. FROM WHAT I HEARD. IT'S A YEAR AND A HALF UNTIL THIS DESIGN IS EVEN PRESENTED TO US. AS ONCE WE APPROVE IT TODAY. SO THAT WILL ALREADY HOPEFULLY ALREADY TAKE SOME SORT OF EFFECT AND START DEVELOPING. IN THAT SENSE, SO I JUST I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS I'M NOT TRYING TO DO TOO.

DOUBLE WORK. SURE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY TO IMPROVE THIS IN A YEAR AND A HALF OR SO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR BOND SITUATION IS IN TERMS OF GETTING PROPERTY BE DEVELOPED IN THE YEAR AND A HALF. SOME OF IT JUST HOPEFULLY , SOME OF IT WILL START AND I GUESS MY UNDERSTANDING IS SHOULD WE EXPAND SINCE THERE IS MONEY LEFT. TO INCLUDE SOME OF THE WALKWAYS ALL THE WAY TO THE CDC PROPERTY AND ASSUME SOME OF THE DRAINAGE STUDIES SOME OF THE THINGS THAT GO THROUGH THERE, OR SHOULD WE JUST I DON'T WANT TO DO DOUBLE WORK FROM THAT SIDE AND DOUBLE COST TO US AND THE CITIZENS AND EVERYBODY ELSE. COUNCILMAN IF YOU IF YOU DON'T MIND, THAT WAS WHEN I ASKED HIM ABOUT BALLARD THERE. THE AREAS THAT ARE IN BLUE ARE NOT GETTING SIDEWALK REDESIGN AND THOSE THINGS DONE. ONLY THE GREEN AREA WHERE IT'S A NEW ROADWAY. AND THEN THERE'S A JOG ON 78, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IS A DSL LINE. MHM SO WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THIS STUDY , NOT PAYING TO GET ANY OF THOSE NEW WALKWAYS AND SIDEWALKS DESIGNED ON ANY OF THE STREETS YET. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY

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LEAVING THOSE OUT OTHER THAN FROM A STRIPING WAY FINDING UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT THAT THE SIDEWALKS AREN'T GETTING DESIGNED ON BALLOT OR JACKSON OR ANY OF THOSE EITHER.

I GUESS MY. I UNDERSTOOD THAT RIGHT? MY THING IS, WE'RE PUTTING TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS ARE A VERY EXPENSIVE THING. ARE WE TAKING ACCOUNT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY IF THAT'S GOING TO BE DOWNTOWN, LIKE LIKE BRENT SAID. IS THAT GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN DOWNTOWN? IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT THE TRAFFIC DOWNTOWN, SO THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT.

PROCESSES SHOULD WE TAKE THAT ALL INTO ACCOUNT BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION TO PUT 1.4 MILLION ON THIS AND THEN TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS. FOUR YEARS LATER, WE'RE COMING BACK, AND WE'RE HAVING TO REDO THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS WERE HAVING TO REDO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALREADY PAYING FOR IT AS WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS. UM, WE'VE HAD THOSE WITH THE DESIGN ENGINEER. YES THE IDEA IS THAT WE WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND TERROR ANYTHING OUT THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE. UM YOU KNOW, WELL AS STAFF. IT WAS A CHALLENGE FOR US TO, YOU KNOW , FIGURE OUT HOW BIG OF A BITE WE CAN TAKE OUT OF THIS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY. I COULD. OBVIOUSLY WE COULD DESIGN THE WHOLE THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN, BUT IT WOULD BE A MUCH LARGER NUMBER AND YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE ANY RESULTS FROM THE 5 MILLION. YOU KNOW, IT WOULD JUST BE ALL IN DESIGN. SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS REALLY JUST AND WELL AND THIS DESIGN ENGINEERS DONE MANY PROJECTS LIKE THIS BEFORE. SO THE IDEA BEING WHEN IS SIGNALS BUT IN YOU WON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND TEAR IT OUT. THEY ANTICIPATE WHAT THAT FUTURE LAYOUT. HE'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DESIGN IT, BUT THEY'RE ANTICIPATE KIND OF THE GENERAL AREA WHERE THAT THAT LAYOUT IS GOING TO BE, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REDO ANY OF THAT IS THAT HELP? YEAH LIKE I SAID, FOR ME, THAT WAS JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INCORPORATING. AND I GUESS I'M ONE OUT OF SIX GENTLEMEN STANDING HERE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S IF WE'RE GONNA CALL BROWN AND 78 DOWNTOWN. THEN I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S TAKEN IN ACCOUNT ON HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT DOWNTOWN TRAIN AGE TRAFFIC. SIGNAGE, PARKING THE WHOLE THING, AND WE ONCE WE DESIGNED AS THE DESIGN IT ONCE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND NOT DO PATCHWORK. AS WE GO AS WE DEVELOP AS WE'RE DOING THINGS RATHER CITIZENS, WAIT. AN EXTRA YEAR UNTIL WE PUT A BOND TO DO WORK THAN SEE A SIDEWALK BEING DONE AND THEN HAVING TO RETAKE SOME OUT AND REDO THE WHOLE THING AGAIN. THAT'S MY THOUGHT.

COUNCILMAN DUKE THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. UM MAYBE NOT SO MUCH OF A QUESTION, MR PORTER. MAYBE MR PARKER CAN ALSO ANSWER THIS. BUT I GUESS IT IS MORE OF A QUESTION KIND OF ALLUDING TO MAYOR.

PROTEIN. FORCERS COMMENT, YOU KNOW? I DON'T MIND SO MUCH TO $1.4 MILLION BEING SPENT ON DESIGN, BUT WHAT I DO WHAT? WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHAT ARE THE CITIZENS GETTING OUT OF THE WHOLE 5 MILLION. NOW WHAT CAN WE SHOW THEM? AND WHAT CAN WE TELL THEM AND SIX MONTHS? IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IMPROVING DOWNTOWN, AND HERE'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE BY THIS STATE. SO AND AGAIN, THAT'S A THAT'S A VERY VALID QUESTION. VERY GOOD QUESTION. UM YOU DON'T NEED IN ENGINEERING.

THERE'S. THERE'S STAGES THAT WE GO THROUGH AN ENGINEER. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE FIRST STAGE NOBODY REALLY SEES ANYTHING DONE RIGHT? BECAUSE ITS FIRST STAGE I MEAN, I'M READING OFF THE LIST RIGHT HERE. I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN STRATEGY, THE WAY FINDING, BUT WE NEED TO GET SURVEY OF ALL DOWNTOWN. WE NEED RIGHT AWAY AND INSTRUMENTS FOR EASEMENTS. UH WE NEED GEO TECH INVESTIGATION. WE NEED A SUBSURFACE UTILITY. INVESTIGATION. WE NEED ARCHAEOLOGICAL SURVEY. ALL OF THESE ITEMS HAVE TO BE DONE, BUT THAT THAT'S JUST AN ADVANCE OF BEING ABLE TO DO MORE WITH THAT SO GOING BACK TO KIND OF WHAT I TOLD, UM COUNCILOR FORRESTER IS WE? WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT I MEAN THESE THIS IS THIS IS ALL BACKGROUND INFO. THAT'S GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE FUTURE TO YOU KNOW, WE WON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDO ALL OF THESE ITEMS AGAIN. ONCE WE DO IT THE FIRST TIME THROUGH THERE WERE THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING INCLUDED IN THIS BECAUSE I KNOW I KNOW YOU COULDN'T GET THROUGH AND LIST EVERYTHING AND WE DON'T HAVE A COPY. OBVIOUSLY THE PROPOSED CONTRACT AND THE PACKET SO THAT'S RIGHT ABOUT ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, SUB SURVEYS AND ALL THE ENGINEERING THINGS THAT YOU THROUGHOUT THOSE ARE IN HERE AND IS THAT FOR THE ENTIRE AREA? THOSE ARE IN HERE ONLY FOR THAT LITTLE GREEN SECTION. IN TAIWAN.

OKAY LET ME PUT IT IN NON ENGINEERED YEAH. RIGHT GIVE UP IF YOU'LL TURN YOUR MIC ON FOUR.

SO OKAY, LET ME PUT THIS IN NON ENGINEERED TERMS FOR EVERYBODY, BECAUSE I'M DEFINITELY NOT AN

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ENGINEER. THE DESIRES FOR NORTH FOR BALLARD STREET TO BE NORTH AND BIRMINGHAM TO BE SOUTH ONE WAY. SO IN THIS PROPOSAL OUT OF THE $5 MILLION THAT THE THAT WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED. THAT WILL INCLUDE THE DRAINAGE. THAT WOULD INCLUDE MAKING THOSE ROADS ONE WAY. AND THAT WILL INCLUDE THE SIGNALS. MUCH PAST THAT I'M NOT SURE WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH MONEY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO ACQUIRE SOME RIGHT AWAY. PROBABLY AND, UM. I GUESS THAT'S IT. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE PROJECT. UM SO I MEAN, HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOT ENOUGH TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. THOSE THREE THINGS REALLY BUT THAT IS SIMPLICITY. UH I'M NOT SHELL WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET FOR OUR 5 MILLION BUCKS. SO THE CLARIFY THAT'S ACTUAL UH, WORK. THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT'S PHYSICAL DRIVE ON THAT OR WALK ON IT OR RAINWATER RUNNING DOWN THE STREET. NEXT QUESTION SINCE IT'S $1.4 MILLION. WHEN IS THIS DESIGN GOING TO BE DONE? WHEN DO WE ANTICIPATE THE YEAR YEAR AND A HALF A YEAR AND A HALF, MR PORTER? I'M SORRY, JOHN. THE QUESTION HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE FOR THIS TO DESIGNED TO TAKE PLACE? YEAR YEAR YEAR AND A HALF? I BELIEVE YEAH. YOU'RE IN A HALF. OKAY THANK YOU, MR PRUITT. YOU'RE WELCOME. YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY TWO YEARS BEFORE. YOU SEE ANY DIRT MOVING? MR COUNCILMAN FORRESTER MAYOR PRO TEM. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO. YOU POSED AN INTERESTING QUESTION. CITY MANAGER ABOUT WHAT AREA DO WE INCLUDE? IN THE DOWNTOWN? AND I JUST THINK THAT. THE BROWN AND 78 TO COUNCILMAN MILITIAS. POINT AROUND 78 STARTS THE DOWNTOWN. AND IT GOES DOWN THROUGH TO THE RAILROAD AND OVER TWO TO, UH BROWN. SO FROM BROWN. DOWN THROUGH BALLARD. OVER TO THE RAILROAD. ACTUALLY, THAT TRIANGULAR SHAPE. AND I THINK THAT WE'VE KIND OF SET THE PRECEDENT WITH THAT WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF BROWN IN 78, AND THE REQUEST OR REQUIREMENT ACTUALLY ON THERE. ON THEIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO MATCH THE LOOK AND FEEL OF DOWNTOWN.

SO I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MALIKI WHEN IT COMES TO LOOKING AT THE TOTAL, THE PROJECT AND ITS TOTALITY AS FAR AS THE WALK ABILITY. AH AND THE ROADS THAT LEAD THROUGH OVER TOWARDS THAT PROJECT AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE IS CONCERNED, AND THE PART OF THE PROJECT THAT THE ABC IS TAKING ON. I KNOW THAT MR PORTER'S BEEN WORKING WITH MR GRINER AND THEIR TEAM. AND UTILIZING SOME OF THE SAME ASSETS TO COME UP WITH THE DRAINAGE PLAN. COME UP WITH WAYS TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC, ETCETERA, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU COME BACK SEVERAL TIMES WITH BROWN AND 78 SIGNALS TO ENSURE THAT THE SIGNAL CAPACITY THERE WAS ENOUGH TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC.

ONCE ALL OF THESE CHANGES WERE MADE. SO JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THAT TO INCLUDE THE INTERSECTION OF BROWN 78 IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. IS WOULD GIVE US I KNOW IT'S A LARGER FOOTPRINT. BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY BIGGER. IT CAN'T GET ANY BIGGER THAN THAT. CAN'T GET ANY SMALLER THAN THAT, UH, IN MY ESTIMATION, BUT I JUST THINK THAT THAT GIVES A GOOD FOOTPRINT THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT TO KEEP THAT SMALL TOWN LOOK AND FEEL AND GIVE WALK ABILITY TO AN AREA WHERE YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN ON THE E. D. C S PLAN FOR THAT MAKES SENSE AND IT WOULD GIVE. CITIZENS AWAY TO UTILIZE THOSE AREAS AS WELL. MR PARKER, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING OR RESPONSE WAS JUST GOING TO GET REAL QUICK TO THE MAYOR. PRO TEM IS COMMENTS. UM I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE BIGGER PICTURE FOR ME IS THE WE HAD THE SOUTH BALLAD OVERLAY IN THERE, AND THAT'S WHY I SAY IT'S A BIGGER CONVERSATION THAN THE NIGHT IN THIS STUDY IS WHAT EXACTLY DOES ALL THAT STUFF LOOKS LIKE? UM BUT I DO THINK TO YOUR AND COUNCILMAN RELIGIOUS COMMENTS. I DO THINK WE'RE ADDRESSING WHAT'S BOTH OF Y'ALL HAVE STATED AS FAR AS ENSURING THAT WE INCORPORATE THE BROWN IN 78 AREA. UM WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALL ALONG, SO I THINK WE HAVE THAT COVERED. OKAY. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, MR PORTER. WHICH ONE SOME THINGS MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE. SO THANK YOU FOR HELPING EXPLAIN THAT. AS FAR AS ACTUALLY PUTTING LIGHTS IN LIKE THE ACTUAL TWO LIGHTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ADDED. WHAT ARE THOSE NORMALLY ABOUT RUN REALIZED THAT DEPENDED ON THE ENGINE? DID THEY JUST BID FOR RECENTLY? YEAH ASSUMING YOU CAN GET THEM, RIGHT, UM. A MILLION DOLLARS, 10 MILLION, HALF A

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MILLION DOLLARS. OKAY, UM BECAUSE I'M AND THEN THE DRAINAGE FROM DRAINAGE FROM BROWN DOWN TO 78. IF YOU WERE GONNA THERE WERE A NUMBER OUT OF OUT OF THE AIR. WHAT DO YOU SOME OF THAT IS IN WHAT I'M TOTALING IN MY HEAD IS I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE I REALIZED WHAT YOU HAVE DONE HERE IS YOU'RE JUST DEALING WITH SOME DESIGN ON INFRASTRUCTURE SOMETIMES, SO THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF MONEY STARTS TO KICK IN. IS THE DRAINAGE ON BALLARD, RIGHT FROM BROWN TO 78. BECAUSE THERE AND. BECAUSE THERE NEEDS TO BE DRAINED. PUT ON BALLARD. THAT'S THEN THAT STARTS ADDING A LOT OF MONEY TO THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND DESIGN COSTS ME SO I WAS THINKING THAT THE THAT THAT DRAINAGE WAS GOING TO BE DEALT WITH WITH THE CDC PROPERTY. WOULDN'T THAT HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT AREAS, SAID BALLARD. AND I WAS THINKING THE ONLY DRAINAGE I THOUGHT WE HAD HERE WAS JUST THE DRAINAGE DOWN BIRMINGHAM. UM THAT'S ALL I GET ON THIS DESIGN DESIGN. THAT'S CORRECT. BECAUSE ALL WE'RE DOING IS BUILDING BERMS WERE BUILDING THAT PIECE OF BIRMINGHAM. IT MADE SENSE TO WORK ON THE DRAIN IS FOR BIRMINGHAM. WE'RE BUILDING THAT PIECE. THE NEXT PHASE OF THIS IF WE WENT DOWNTOWN AND REBUILT CONCRETE. BALLARD. THEN WE WOULD ADDRESS DRAINAGE ON BALLOT AT THAT TIME . AND WOULD WE AGREE THAT THE WAY FINDING AND STRIPING IS REALLY ONLY GOING TO BE LIMITED ON THIS DESIGN WORK TO THE ONE WAY DIRECTION IN THE ROAD TRAVEL ? NOT NECESSARILY ALL OF THE WAY FINDING FOR DOWNTOWN AND THE MASTER PLAN OF THE LOOK AND ALL OF THAT? AND I SAY THAT ONLY BECAUSE. OKAY FINE JUST FOR THE STUDY AREA, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING WELL, AND JUST BECAUSE OF THE TRAVEL OF THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE I KNOW THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DO WITH SIDEWALKS DOWNTOWN AND WHAT WE DO, YOU KNOW WHAT WE DO WITH THE OTHER STUFF. THOSE THINGS MIGHT END UP CHANGING, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T PUT TOO MUCH INTO THAT.

KITTY POOL UNTIL WE'RE READY. RIGHT YES, IT INTO THAT BUCKET. YEAH AND SO WHAT? I HEAR YOU SAYING WHEN I START RUNNING NUMBERS IS UM THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT ARE 5 MILLION IS GONNA BE EXHAUSTED BEFORE WE EVER REALLY GET TO END. THE TOUCHING. THE DIFFERENCE OF BALLARD. SIDEWALKS OUTSIDE OF CHANGING THE DIRECTIONAL, RIGHT , OKAY. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO SET EXPLOSIVES REBUILDING BALLARD TO LIKE A CONCRETE ROADWAY WITH THE LIGHT WOULD BE IN A FUTURE. THAT WOULD BE YES, I DON'T THAT WON'T OKAY. THE END OF THIS, THE CURRENT $5 MILLION . OKAY THAT HELPS THANK YOU. SO I'LL GET RIGHT TO YOUR COUNCILMAN. I WANTED TO JUMP IN REAL QUICK. SO OBVIOUSLY, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE. TO GET A FINAL OPINION ON IF SOME OF THAT BOND MONEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE USED FOR BALLARD, MY QUESTION ON THAT IS DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF ADDITIONAL COST TO THE SCOPE WOULD ADD TO ADD BALLAD INTO IT? BECAUSE I GUESS MY CONCERN IS IT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF OUT. I'M ASSUMING WE'LL HAVE AN OPINION BY THAT POINT. AND IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY DO ANY CONSTRUCTION. I'D HATE TO GO ANOTHER YEAR YEAR AND A HALF. OF WAITING FOR ANOTHER DESIGN FOR BALLARD ITSELF. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF STREETS AND A LOT OF WORK, BUT UM AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING SWAPPING OUT THE THEME NG AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IF WE'RE JUST IF WE'RE JUST SETTING UP ONE WAY AS FAR AS WAY FINDING AND THEME NG AND ALL THOSE THINGS I DON'T KNOW IF DOING THAT AT THE VERY BEGINNING. AS OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET THAT STREET IN. IF THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FUNDS, AND I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER TONIGHT, AND SO THAT'S JUST MY QUESTION ON THIS ON WHAT WE'RE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT IS I KNOW THERE'S ALL THE DRAINAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE BUT ACTUALLY HAVING A KNOWLEDGE OF HERE'S THE DESIGN. HERE'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO GET BALLARD ITSELF DONE, WHICH LET'S FACE IT WITH MOST PEOPLE THINK ABOUT DOWNTOWN IS THE PART, SHALL WE SAY? AND HAVING THAT AS PART OF THE SCOPE. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE TALKING. THAT'S ANOTHER COUPLE $100,000, AND MAYBE IT'S BEST TO GET THAT INFO NOW. UM AND IF I HAD TO, YOU KNOW, SWAP SOMETHING OUT. I'D RATHER HAVE BALLARD THAN THE THEME NG AND PEDESTRIAN WAY FINDING AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANY OF THE OTHER CHANGES AND BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THOSE YET. SO AS FAR AS THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, THAT'S MY QUESTION ON IT IS THAT MR PARKER? I THINK THE CHALLENGE REALLY. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY. ON THE BALLARD SEXY ROAD

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PIECE TO DO BALLARD. CORRECTLY. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT REALLY MATTERS. I MEAN, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT IF YOU WANT TO ADD IT TO THE STUDY. THAT'S ONE THING. YEAH I KNOW. WE MAY NOT HAVE THE MONEY. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE MONEY TO THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY. UM, THERE TO DO. TO DO THAT ROAD. YEAH WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET ENOUGH DONE TO SET THE TRAJECTORY OF THE WAY WE WANT DOWNTOWN TO GO. UM I MEAN, IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE I MEAN IS BRENT WAS SAYING EARLIER AND THEN IT'S GOING TO TAKE MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ADDITIONAL TWO TO GET TO THAT POINT. THE PROBLEM IS THIS IS A THIS IS KIND OF A HUGE MONSTER THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WRANGLE RIGHT NOW AND IN ORDER TO DO THE ONE WAY YOU HAVE TO BUILD BIRMINGHAM, YOU KNOW WELL IN ORDER TO GET TO WORK, AND YOU HAVE TO PUT THE SIGNALS IN IN ORDER, SO, YES, WAY FINDING SIGNAGE. YES, WE CAN PUT THAT ON HOLD. BUT IT'S NOT A HUGE PERCENTAGE OF THIS. SCOPE, BUT I'M WILLING TO TAKE IT OUT OF IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WANTS. I MEAN, I'M HERE FOR AND WAIT FOR THE LOST. I MEAN ME AS AN ENGINEER. IF IT WERE UP TO ME, I'D I'D WANT TO SCOPE THAT COVERED THE DESIGN OF EVERYTHING ALL RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S GOING TO COST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. AND IF ALL WE WANT TO DO IS PRESENT THE TRAJECTORY OF WHERE WE WANT DOWNTOWN TO GO WITHOUT ACTUALLY BUILDING A WHOLE LOT DOWN THERE. THAT WE COULD DO THAT. BUT THIS WAS KIND OF I THOUGHT COMPROMISE AND FIGURING OUT THE TRAJECTORY WHERE WE WANT DOWNTOWN TO GO ALONG WITH BEING ABLE TO BUILD A FEW THINGS TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, TO SHOW THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT TOWN TO WOULD THAT WOULD THAT? WELL NOT JUST A COMPROMISE. IT WAS USING THE MONEY THAT WE WERE GIVEN AND NOT NOT EXCEEDING THAT BUDGET, RIGHT? AND. AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND LET YOU GO. COUNCILMAN MALIKI. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO START A PROJECT. WE'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF MONEY. WE'RE GONNA DO BITS AND PIECES OF IT. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK TO BOND AGAIN. OR HAVING TO REDO THE WHOLE THING AGAIN. INSTEAD OF USING THIS MONEY OR SETTING UP STEPS. ON HOW THE FUTURE IS GOING TO LOOK UP DOWNTOWN. PRESENTED. TO HOW AND WHAT WOULD THE VISION THAT WE SEE IS GOING TO LOOK AND THEN EXECUTE BITS AND PIECES BASED ON THE NEXT PHASE OF IT. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO HAVE I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO HAVE A FOUNDATION OF WHERE WE'RE GOING, INSTEAD OF DOING BITS AND PIECES BECAUSE THE $5 MILLION FROM FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IS I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET MUCH OF IT. INSTEAD OF MAYBE USING THAT $5 MILLION, SETTING UP THE FOUNDATION OF OVERALL AND THAT'S A BIGGER CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE TO USE TO HAVE THE OVERLAY MAY BE INCLUDED IN IT AND WHATNOT. BUT I'D RATHER DO THAT WAY, THEN START BITS AND PIECES OF IT. AND THEN HAVING GO BACK AT IT WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING WHAT IS GOING TO COST US. I THINK THAT'S A DECISION. THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE YOU THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO USE THIS 5 MILLION JUST FOR DESIGN AND NOT NOT HAVE ANY CONSTRUCTION DONE. AND DO A BIGGER BOND BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A BOND. IT DOESN'T REALLY, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A BOND PERIOD. UM, THIS THIS SCOPE DOESN'T VISION. BUT THIS WHAT WE'RE DOING IS NOT A WASTE. IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE WAY THEY HAVE IT DESIGNED IS NOT GOING TO BE IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE TO BE REDONE. IT'S NOT A WASTE OF MONEY IS NOT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT. THERE'S NOT ANY CONSULTANTS IN HERE ARE THEY DIDN'T SOME CONSULTANT COMING IN HERE SELLING YOU A BILL OF GOODS AND THEN FIVE YEARS LATER, COMING BACK IN HERE AND SONIA ANOTHER BILL OF GOODS BECAUSE YOUR LAST ONE WAS WAS OUTDATED. UM THIS DESIGN IS NOT GOING TO BE A WASTE. SO I THINK THAT'S THE DECISION COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE IS DO YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND USE THE $5 MILLION? AND YET ONE WAY STREETS AND A COUPLE OF SIGNAL LIGHTS. UM WITH THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE. OR DO YOU WANT TO USE THIS BOND TO DESIGN AT ALL? MY FEAR THEN IS AND THIS IS JUST MY PERSPECTIVE. IT IS. HOW LONG IS THE DESIGN? GONNA WAIT? UM YOU KNOW, ANOTHER BOND IS PROBABLY NOT FOR ANOTHER. FIVE YEARS. SO IF THIS TOOK A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO

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YEARS TO DESIGN, YOU'RE STILL WAITING ANOTHER THREE YEARS. BEFORE WE HAD ANOTHER BOND.

THERE'S THE BOND PASSED. THERE'S A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT I THINK ARE KIND OF UNKNOWNS. BUT BUT I MEAN, Y'ALL MAKE GOOD POINTS AS IT SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY I GOTTA AND I WANT TO CLARIFY. I DIDN'T MEAN WASTE OR I MEAN, WE'RE PUTTING MONEY AND WE'RE SPENDING THE MONEY THAT IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. I DIDN'T MEAN IT THAT WAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT IT'S THE WAY TIM AND THE DESIGN ENGINEER HAVE. THIS DESIGN IS IT'S A PHASED IN APPROACH SO THAT WE AREN'T WOW. HAVING TO GO BACK AND REDO. WE DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE WE ARE WITHDRAWING THE ROAD. I'M JUST SAYING, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GONNA HAVE WE'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE DESIGN GRAPHICS, BALLARD AND ALL OF DOWNTOWN EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS MAP THAT WE'RE DESIGNING THAT PIECE. WELL THE VISION IS GOING TO BE THERE WERE GOING TO BE APPROACHING YOU ALL WITH WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. UH, ALSO. ALSO I GO BACK AND ANSWER THE MAYOR'S QUESTIONS . GO AHEAD AND HAVE A WE DID HAVE A PHASE. TO THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ADDED, AS PART OF THIS, THAT WE, UM TOOK OFF, BUT IT WAS TO DESIGN TWO BLOCKS OF VALOR DOWNTOWN, AND IT WAS, UM WITH. ONE WITH THE DRAINAGE IS 820,000. FOR DESIGN ADDITIONAL DESIGN ON TOP OF THIS POINT. COUNCILOR MALAYSIA DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO NO STILL IN. THAT'S WHY I APOLOGIZE. NO. OKAY WELL, I KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS SO COUNCIL . I THINK AT THIS POINT THAT THE QUESTION IS IF WE WANT TO TAKE THE PHASED APPROACH WE HAVE WE HAVE IT SET IN FRONT OF US. OF THE PHASED APPROACH, WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS EVENING. IF THERE IS A DESIRE BY COUNCIL TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND MOVE TOWARDS ENGINEERING. ONLY THEN I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF WOULD WANT US TO TABLE IT SO THEY COULD MODIFY IT OR HOW THEY WOULD WANT THAT APPROACHED. BUT IF THAT IS THE WORLD THE COUNCIL THEN WE NEED TO GO THAT DIRECTION. SO UM, I JUST I'D BE OPEN TO HEARING WHAT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS ARE SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ITEM THAT'S IN FRONT OF US. NOW THAT WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN THE INFORMATION, SO MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK I'M OF THE BELIEF THAT TO GET PHASE ONE STARTED. WE'VE GOT A YEAR AND A HALF. WAIT TO GET IT BACK. IF WE DON'T GET IT STARTED NOW AND WE GO BACK TO THE TABLE TO EXPAND THIS. WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER TWO YEARS, AND I THINK WHEN WE ORIGINALLY STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN PROJECT WE STARTED, WE TALKED ABOUT DOING IT IN PHASES. BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THIS IS ONE NUT THAT'S GOING TO BE HUGE, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A $5 MILLION BOND. NEXT TIME AROUND, IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO GET TO THE VISION THAT WILL BE DELIVERED FROM THIS PROJECT. SO I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT IS A GREAT START. TO THE PLAN FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND I WOULD SUPPORT THIS. AND I'LL ECHO YOUR SENTIMENTS AND ADD JUST BRIEFLY TO IT THAT I THINK IT'S ALSO GOOD TO TAKE THAT FIRST STEP AND SHOW PROGRESS. WE ALL KNOW HOW LONG IT CAN TAKE TO GET THE LIGHTS IN WHEN WE ORDER THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, AND IT ALSO WILL GET THE TEXT OUT APPROVALS FOR THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND ESSENTIALLY LAY THE BONES OR THE GROUNDWORK FOR THE DOWNTOWN IN GENERAL BY GETTING THOSE TRAFFIC THAT THE TRAFFIC FLOWS AND PATTERNS CHANGED. UM AND TO YOUR POINT GETTING THE VISION FOR THE ENTIRE AREA, AND I DO THINK IT'S EASIER TO GO BACK AND ASK THE CITIZENS TO SUPPORT ANOTHER BOND TO FINISH A DEVELOPED VISION THAT WE HAVE MADE PROGRESS ON AS OPPOSED TO GOING BACK AND SAYING WE GET NOT NOT MEANING IT AT ALL AND OFFENSIVELY, BUT WE'VE GOT THIS PAPERWORK THAT WE PAID $5 MILLION FOR DON'T YOU WANT TO HELP US NOW MOVE FORWARD WITH MORE WORK. AND AGAIN TO ECHO THE MACMILLAN POINT, HAVING PLANS THAT YOU NEVER MOVE FORWARD WITH AND YOU NEVER SHOW ANY PROGRESS ON AND IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT, IN MY OPINION, SO I WOULD SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH IT AS IT IS AND TAKING THAT FIRST STEP OR FIRST BITE. COUNCILMAN DUKE THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. I SUPPORT THIS PLAN. I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL SINCE 2019 AND ALL WE'VE DONE UNTIL NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE DOWNTOWN. I REMEMBER THE PHASES THAT WE SAID WHAT WE WANTED TO GO IN PHASES, AND NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO START ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING. SO, YES, I DO SUPPORT THIS. OKAY? AND I'LL JUST START TO MY RIGHT. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS YOUR THOUGHTS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD START. OKAY AND COUNCILMAN HOOVER DAM IN SUPPORT OF ITS MAYOR. COUNCILMAN MALIKI . COMMON SUPPORT OF IT. OKAY SO IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCIL IS THEN

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IN SUPPORT OF A PHASED APPROACH . GIVEN THAT I WILL ASK IF WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE ITEM FOR THAT IS IN FRONT OF US. COUNTS MAYOR PROTEIN FORRESTER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE THE ITEM AS PRESENTED. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS? SECOND, IT MOTION WITH THE SECOND TO APPROVE THE ITEM IS PRESENTED. COUNCIL PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES 60 WITH COUNCILMAN STRING ABSENT. THANK YOU FOR COMING THIS EVENING. I KNOW IT WAS A LITTLE LONGER THAN DISCUSSION THAN YOU MIGHT HAVE ANTICIPATED,

[4. Consider, and act upon, Resolution No. 2023-25(R) casting a nomination for a candidate for the Board of Directors of the Collin Central Appraisal District.]

BUT I THINK IT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION TO HAVE WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE TO. AND THANK YOU, MR PORTER AND MISS L. KHALID FOR COMING THIS EVENING AS WELL. WE EVEN FOUND A WAY TO PUT MCMILLAN IN THERE. WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM FOR WHICH IS TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON RESOLUTION NUMBER.

2023-25 ARE CASTING A NOMINATION FOR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR A CANDIDATE FOR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE COLIN CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT MISSED OR IF I AM CORRECT IF COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE SOMEONE THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORTH WE CAN TAKE NO ACTION ON THIS ITEM. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WILL ASK MY COLLEAGUES. I DON'T HAVE A NAME TO PUT FORWARD. DOES ANYONE HAVE A CANDIDATE THEY WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE FOR AH! CONSIDERATION AND FUTURE VOTING ON. WITH NO ONE SEEKING TO SPEAK OR PUT FORWARD A NOMINATION FOR A CANDIDATE. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND TAKE NO ACTION ON THIS ITEM. MISS STORM AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD TO OUR WORK SESSION. BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE WILL HAVE A BRIEF RE WITH THAT WILL MOVE US BACK INTO SESSION. WE'RE IN OUR WORK

[WS1. Wylie Fire Rescue overview of the EMS Division providing emergency medical services to the citizens of Wylie, Texas to begin in October 2024.]