[Historic Review Commission]
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          OKAY WE CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. 6 P.M. OKAY UM, FIRST UP ON THE AGENDA, ANY COMMENTS OR NON AGENDA ITEMS? HONEY, OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS TO REVIEW THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING HAS EVER HAD CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE OKAY? THEY LOOK GOOD. OKAY? I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETINGS FROM FOREST 24TH. I SECOND THE MOTION. 
          THEY WERE BOTH DOWN THERE, OKAY? OKAY PERFECT. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT THE NEW RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 1 11 NORTH KEEPER STREET WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM I'M GONNA BE PLAYING THE ROLE OF RENE ALI THIS EVENING. UM, SHE IS OUT. UM BUT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS, UH, WITH MR HERNANDEZ AND THE PROPERTY FROM ALMOST TO GET GOING ON THIS PARTICULAR THING, SO I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH IT THAT BEING SAID THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A NEW RESIDENTIAL DWELLING ON A LOT THAT IS AT 1 11 KIEFER. UM IT IS A ABOUT 2200 SQUARE FOOT HOME FROM THE LOT IS ABOUT 20. I'M SORRY ABOUT THE 300 SQUARE FEET. UM THE DESIGN DOES INCLUDE THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED IN YOUR REPORT THAT STAFFS, UM FEELING IS THAT THEY DO MEET. IT DOES MEET ALL THE HISTORICAL STANDARDS FOR THAT PARTICULAR STYLE OF HOUSE. UM, AS WAS STATED IN THE REPORT. UM WE DO FEEL ALSO THAT THE DWELLING DOES CONFORM WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE LISTED IN ARTICLE 63 FOR THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND I WILL. THIS IS THE LOT IN QUESTION RIGHT HERE. 1 11. AND THIS. IS A LAYOUT SHOWING THE PLACEMENT OF THE STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN WE'VE ALSO IMPACT AND THIS IS INCLUDING YOUR PACKET, BUT THE ELEVATIONS UM FROM FRONT SIDE AND REAR. AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE THIS EVENING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE. I HAVE A QUESTION. UM IT APPEARS THAT THE, UM, POSTS HAVE A BRICK. ON THE BOTTOM PORTION. 
          HMM WHAT? WHAT COLOR BRICK? IS THAT INTENDED TO BE? UM EVEN. DO YOU WANT TO? CAN YOU COME UP AND SPEAKING THE MICROPHONE? IN. HI. MY NAME IS ANGELICA HERNANDEZ. UM LET ME PULL IT UP, SO I THINK SHE HAS IT. UM IN THE SAME COLOR AS THE LITTLE WAVY SHINGLES THAT ARE ON THE VERY TOP. SO THEY CAN MATCH WITH THIS STRUCTURE, SO IT WILL BE THE SAME COLOR. AS THE WAY WE SHINGLES OVER HERE WOULD BE CRAFTSMAN BROWN RIGHT HERE. WHICH IS ON THE LIST FOR APPROVED. YEAH. YES, MA'AM. IT LOOKS REALLY CUTE. I THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK REALLY NICE. AND WE WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES. I'VE BEEN TALKING TO RENEE AND EVERYTHING THAT SHE WAS LIKE. CAN YOU ADD SOME PILLARS HERE AND SHE WAS AT THE END? SHE WAS LIKE NO PROMISES, BUT I THINK IT LOOKS VERY CUTE. UM I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PORCH. DOES IT HAVE RAILINGS ON THE SIDE? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THIS SIDE OF IT? NO AND YOU KNOW, I DID ASK RENEE WHAT SHE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND SHE SAID, YOU KNOW MY OPINION, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE TOO BUSY AS YOU HAVE THE WAY BE SHINGLES ON TOP, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BRAKE ON THE PILLARS. SO SHE WAS THINKING THAT MAYBE IT WASN'T NEEDED. OKAY BECAUSE I KNOW IN THE ORDINANCE IT DOES STATE THAT FOUR PORCHES YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE RAILINGS ON THE SIDE OF IT, SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THE FRONT BUT ON THE SIDE, CORRECT? YES SO I WONDER WHAT MY OTHER PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS ON THIS ARE BECAUSE IT IS IN THE ORDINARY. I HAVE A THOUGHT MYSELF. ONE MIGHT THINK IT LOOKS VERY BUSY. BUT WHEN YOU THINK 
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ABOUT TYPICAL STEREOTYPICAL OR WHATEVER CRAFTSMAN HOMES THEY USUALLY DO HAVE A RAILING WITH BANISTERS? MM HMM. SO NOT TO HAVE ANY RAILING AT ALL OR NOT TO HAVE ANYTHING ON THE FRONT PORCH. ACTUALLY. MY NOT REALLY BEING COMPLIANT WITH AN ACTUAL CRAFTSMAN. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. I WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH IT, OKAY? WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. IF YOU GUYS NEED US TO, YOU KNOW, EITHER RAILING WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, ADDING THE MOB. UM, I ACTUALLY HAD. DRAWING WHERE SHE HAD, LIKE NO BREAK AT THE BOTTOM. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT DOING THE BREXIT DOESN'T LOOK TOO BUSY AND THEN DOING THE RAILING. BUT WHATEVER. WHATEVER IS REQUESTED, WE DON'T MIND DOING IT. WE JUST WANTED TO LOOK PRETTY. PERSONALLY, I DON'T I DON'T MIND THE BRICK UM, I SEEN IT WITHOUT BROOKE. ALSO WITH, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE HARD AIR WOULD BACK IN THE DAY. UM. IT IS CUTE THE WAY IT IS, BUT IF ARE WE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE CRAFTSMAN STANDARD? AND THEN YOU KNOW IN THE HISTORIC UM, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY , IT'S UP TO US TO MAKE THE DECISION ON THAT. YOU KNOW WHETHER HOUSE DIRECT. WE WANT TO BE IN MATCHING THE ORDINANCE. SO I MEAN, IT'S REALLY UP TO US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. I MEAN, DO YOU BECAUSE THEY WERE IN STATES THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A RAILINGS ON THE SIDES. I THINK IF YOU HAD A RAILING ON THE SIDES AND NOT IN THE FRONT, IT WOULD LOOK WEIRD. TO ME, IT WOULD LOOK ODD. YOU BOTH HAVE POPPED IN THAT. NO I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. UM BECAUSE IT'S ALSO AN ORDINANCE THAT THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE A NEW 6 FT. SIDEWALK THAT'S INSTALLED IS THAT IN LIKE THE PLANS, MEANING IT WON'T BE TOO CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK. THANK YOU, MA'AM. UM AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE MAP THE AERIAL HERE, THERE'S ALREADY SIDEWALKS IN THERE. AND THAT IS ACTUALLY WITHIN THE CITY RIGHT AWAY SO IT WOULDN'T BE UP TO THE APPLICANT. TO REPLACE THOSE THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE A SIDEWALK FROM UM, HOUSE SHOULD FACE THIS DIRECTION. IT'S FACING KEEPER. THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. CORRECT. WOULDN'T HAVE PUT US THEIR SIDEWALK WILL HAVE TO BE 6 FT. PERSONAL SIDEWALKS DO NOT NEED TO BE THAT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT AWAY, BUT THEY WILL NEED TO PUT A CONNECTION TO THIS EXISTING SIDE. WE IN THE ORDINANCE, WE DO, SAY 6 FT. SIDEWALK SO THEN THAT REALLY WE THERE THERE WAS. THERE WAS NO SIDEWALK THERE. FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD ON AN EMPTY LOT, AND THERE WAS NO SIDEWALK WHERE WE WOULD ENFORCE A 6 FT SIDEWALK, OKAY, GOTCHA. 
          SO BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY THERE, OKAY THEM TO TEAR THAT ONE OUT AND ADD A NEW ONE IN OKAY, GOTCHA. UM I THINK THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD IS ABOUT OR DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM RAILING. I GUESS WE WERE KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH AS WELL. 
          UM, I THINK OF THE ORDINANCE IT WAS TALKING ABOUT LIKE HAVING THREE OF THE ITEMS AND THEN YOU KIND OF PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ONES. SO YOU KNOW, SHE ADDED, THE PROOFS AND THE WAVY SHINGLES AND PILLARS AND YOU KNOW THE WINDOWS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT. MAYBE IT WASN'T GONNA BE REQUESTED. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'RE OPEN. YEAH I MEAN, IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO US. SO YOU KNOW , HOW DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THE RAILINGS? OKAY? UM IF WE'RE KEEPING IT WITHIN THE ORDINANCE AND ALSO WITHIN THE HISTORICAL PART OF WHY I ALWAYS AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A REALLY OKAY AND MAYBE NOT JUST ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, BUT ACROSS THE FRONT ALSO, BECAUSE IF I LOOK AT SOME OF THE OLDER HOUSES AROUND TOWN, AND HERE AND THERE THAT THEY DO HAVE THAT. SO IT'S KIND OF A YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY OPINION. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE IT AS CLOSE TO THE HISTORICAL AS WE CAN. AND I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY? IS THAT GOING TO BE IN THE BACK OR SIDE OR OKAY? I DIDN'T SEE IT. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY? YES. OKAY I THOUGHT IT WAS MILLS. SORRY. OKAY? SO WE'RE OPEN. I'M SORRY ABOUT THE 
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RAILINGS AGAIN IF I LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS OF THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT ELEVATION, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT RAILING. IF YOU INSTALL THEM ON THE SIDES. SO I UNDERSTAND THE ORDINANCE MAY SAY SO. BUT I DON'T NOT SURE THAT WOULD REALLY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. IF YOU CAN'T SEE THEM ANYWAY, IF THEY'RE INSTALLED UM, BUT THE FRONT RAILING WOULD BE SEEN. THE FRONT RAILING WOULD BE SEEN AND MADE. THAT MAY NOT BE IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD CERTAINLY LOOK NICER. AND BE VISIBLE. OKAY UM, SO YEAH, AS SOON AS YOU STOOD OFF CENTER OR WE'RE DRIVING, YOU KNOW. ON KEY FOR YOU WOULD SEE THE SIDE RAILINGS. 
          AND THEN THERE WOULD BE NO, REALLY IN THE FRONT AND TO ME, IT WOULD JUST BE VERY ODD. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. AND I DIDN'T CONSIDER NOT BEING DIRECTLY ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. TO SEE THOSE RAILINGS FROM AN ANGLE. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU WOULD SEE THEM FROM AN ANGLE. THERE WE GO. HOW OFTEN IS SOMEBODY GONNA BE STANDING DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE FOR MORE THAN A SECOND? YOU KNOW? SO IS THE DOES THE ORDINANCE STATE THAT THEY HAVE TO BE ON BOTH SIDES BECAUSE IF YOU PUT HIM ON THE SIDES AND THE FRONT THAT CLOSES IN THAT FRONT PORCH, MISSTATES THE SIDE NOT THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON THE FRONT. WHERE THE STEPS ARE LEADING UP TO IT, BUT THE SIDE SIDES BUT NOT THE FRONT. CORRECT YES, BUT ALSO I THINK THE ORDINANCE STATES THAT THE UNLESS IF THERE IS A LIKE A SOME KIND OF BUMP OUT THE PORCH IS SUPPOSED TO BE TWO THIRDS THE WIDTH OF THE BUILDING BUILDING ALSO SO JUST TELLING YOU WHAT THE ORDINANCE STATES. AT HERE'S THE SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE THAT SHE MAY BE REFERRING TO PORCHES SHALL HAVE COLUMNS AND RAILINGS AROUND THE EDGES OF THE PORCH EXCEPT FOR THE ENTRANCE STEPS. SO THAT SAYS AROUND THE EDGES OF THE PORCH. SO THAT INCLUDES THE FRONT. IT DOES INCLUDE THE FRONT. YES. NOW, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, BUT IN ORDER ONE FOR ACCESS AND TWO FOR THE WAY THE ORDINANCE READS. THE EDGE. MAY OR MAY NOT. NO, HANG ON. I'VE GOT TO LOOK. THERE YOU GO. SO THIS SIDE OF THE PORCH WHICH WOULD BE THE SOUTH SIDE OR THE LEFT SIDE, AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT. IF YOU WANTED TO USE THAT PORCH AT ALL YOU CAN PUT THEIR THE GATE WOULD HAVE TO BE OVER ON THIS SIDE. OR THERE COULD BE NONE THERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT. I MEAN, IT IS AN EDGE, BUT JUST A THOUGHT. YEAH MY THOUGHT IS, IF WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THE RAILINGS, I DON'T THINK TO ME THERE'S SHOULD NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF RAILING BETWEEN THE FRONT DOOR OVER TO THE PORCH BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE YOU WOULD WALK THERE ALIVE AND THAT BUT WHAT DO YOU ALL THOUGHTS? IF I WERE DESIGNING THE HOUSE, I WOULD HAVE THE PORCH COME OUT FURTHER AND GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT. I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE A DEEPER PORCH, BUT THAT'LL THE LOT IS VERY SMALL. YEP, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, UM THIS HOUSE IS ALREADY KIND OF PUSHING THE LIMITS. IT'S RIGHT AT THE LIMIT OF WHAT THE OTHER HOUSES AS FAR AS SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING GO SO REALLY COULDN'T EXPAND THE LAYOUT MUCH FARTHER. OR ANY FURTHER, ACTUALLY. SO THIS WHAT IS THE SETBACK? ON THE FRONT. IT'S 25. AND WHAT IS IT AT RIGHT NOW? 25. IT'S RIGHT AT 25. OKAY WE HAVE NOTHING. UM I HAVE A QUESTION ALSO, UM BECAUSE AGAIN IF WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE ORDINANCE, IT STATES THAT GARAGES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SEPARATE. FROM THE MAIN BUILDING. DID Y'ALL LIKE? LOOK AT THAT AS A POSSIBILITY. OR IS A LOT JUST TOO SMALL PUT IT. 
          YEAH IT WAS JUST SO SMALL. ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT. YEAH, I THINK HE'S PULLING IT UP. UM ALSO, I'VE LOOKED AROUND LIKE I GUESS IN THIS AREA, AND THERE'S SEVERAL HOUSES THAT HAVE ATTACHED GARAGES. BUT I WOULD SAY ALL OF THEM ARE NOT. UM I FORGET WHAT YOU CALL IT THEIR THEIR HOMES AND BUILDING THE EIGHTIES OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW. YEAH EVERY OTHER ONE IS THE 
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HISTORICAL ONES ALL HAVE DETACHED GARAGE IS JUST FOR REFERENCE. SO HERE'S THE SECTION FOR GARAGES. UM FROM THE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND. EACH GARAGE. SHELBY AMOUNT AROUND IF IT SAYS IF DETACHED. IT DOESN'T SAY IT HAS TO BE RIGHT HERE. I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING WORTH YOUR LIKE IF IT'S AN ALREADY EXISTING PROPERTY, AND THEN YOU WERE TO WANT TO ADD A GARAGE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DETACHED. YEAH, IT IS IN HERE. HERE. I'M GONNA SHOW YOU. WHERE I'M AT STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES FOR ON 1 50, I GUESS. OKAY? LOOK THERE. THE NUMBER FOUR E. THE VERY TOP SECTION. ACCESSORIES STRUCTURES SUCH AS RELIGIOUS. OKAY, THAT'S IT, OKAY. AND SHALL BE LOOKING AT SEPARATE STRUCTURE FROM OKAY. THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THOUGH, THAT A GARAGE HAS TO BE SEPARATED. THAT'S JUST SAYING THAT IF YOU HAVE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE GARAGE SHED GREENHOUSE OH, IT'S THE SHELBY LOCATED IN A SEPARATE STRUCTURE FOR THE MOMENT AND VISIBLY COMPARABLE WITH I'M SORRY. WITH THE MAIN BUILDING. YEAH I MEAN, I ASSUME IT TO APPLY BECAUSE IT'S UNDER THE BUILDING PLACEMENT RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ONE SECOND ON IT? IN THE GARAGE. I THINK AS LONG AS THE GARAGES ON, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SWING IN AND FACING THE SIDE. AND IT'S NOT THE GARAGE DOOR IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT. THAT ORDINANCE CLEARLY SAYS IF DETACHED SO NOW I'M I'M I WAS MISTAKEN. I APOLOGIZE. UM THAT'S WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU GET THE SECOND INSTEAD OF THE PRIMARY PERSON HERE. UM THAT IS CORRECT. UM, THE PART THAT I WAS LOOKING OUT FOR DETACHED GARAGES IS IN CHAPTER SIX. BUT IT WAS UNDER THE SOUTH BALLOT OVERLAY, NOT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO THE ORDINANCE DOES SAY THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. SUCH AS GARAGES. UM NOW HERE'S JUST MY INTERPRETATION. AND THIS IS WHERE I UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO ME, MISS ALI ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ASPECT OF IT, BUT THE WAY THAT I WOULD INTERPRET THIS IS THAT UM IT SAYS ACCESSORY STRUCTURES SUCH AS GARAGES. UM. SHALL BE LOCATED IN A SEPARATE STRUCTURE FROM THE MAIN BUILDING. BUT IF IT'S PART OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE, THEN IT'S NO LONGER AN ACCESSORY BUILDING. 
          THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT. I WOULD. I WOULD LOOK AT BASICALLY WHAT IT'S SAYING IS THAT IF THE GARAGE IS NOT AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IN THIS CASE IT IS THEN IT'S ACTUALLY IT DOES NEED TO BE DETACHED. AND IT DOES NEED TO BE SEPARATE, YOU KNOW, AND ACTUALLY AND MATCH AND COORDINATE, RIGHT AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF, BUT THIS IN MY OPINION, THIS IS NOT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. THIS IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE HOUSE. BUT THAT'S JUST MY INTERPRETATION OF THE. GOING BACK TO THE FRONT PORCH. SORRY. I DON'T MEAN TO BELABOR IT. UM BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE DIMENSIONS OF IT. SO THE FRONT PORCHES 4 FT. DEEP IN 20 FT WIDE. WHAT IS THE DIMENSION? IS IT TWO AND THREE QUARTERS SQUARE OF THE POST? WHAT IS THE POST DIMENSION? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE POST DIMENSION. SO IF THE POST MENTION IS TOO TWO AND TWO AND THREE QUARTERS, FEET. YEAH. 
          THE 2 FT EIGHT INCHES, RIGHT? MM HMM. THEN THAT WOULD ONLY LEAVE YOU 1 FT. FOUR INCHES OF OPEN SPACE BEHIND THE POST. TO WALK THROUGH TO GET INTO THE HOUSE. 
          SORRY IS IT 2 FT. WIDE OPENING, GOING TO BE AMPLE SPACE AS A PASS THROUGH TO GET INTO THE HOUSE. AND THEN IF WE ALLOWED THAT NOT TO HAVE A BANISTER OR RAILING THAN YOU KNOW, IT WOULD 
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BE A VARIANCE TO THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE ABILITY TO GET ONTO THE FRONT PORCH FROM THE HOUSE. SO IF YOU HAD THE RAILING ON THE OUTSIDE EDGE AND THE FRONT BUT YOU LEFT THAT INSIDE PART BECAUSE IT'S ONLY 2 FT. AND YOU'VE GOT THE POST THERE TO ME THAT WOULD VISUALLY AND AESTHETICALLY BE OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. MY THOUGHTS. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE SIDING OF THE HOUSE AND WHAT'S LIKE, UM, THAT HARDY BACKER BOARD OR WHATEVER IS THAT WOOD GRAIN? OR IS IT LIKE THE SMOOTH KIND? YOU KNOW, IT'S THE ONE THAT LOOKS. LIKE LIKE WOULD I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT GRAIN IS ACTUALLY REQUIRED BY THE ORGANS. AND I THINK THE LAST QUESTION I MAY HAVE, UM THEY'RE VINYL WINDOWS, RIGHT? OKAY DID Y'ALL CONSIDER LIKE YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME CRAFTSMEN WILL DO LIKE THE THREE LIGHTS ARE FOUR LIGHTS ABOVE THE ONE LIKE PAIN OR WHATEVER Y'ALL CONSIDER THOSE OR LOOK AT THOSE AT ALL. NO. WE WERE LOOKING AT THE JUST THE CRAFTSMAN. STYLE THAT THEY SELL AT THINK ABOUT IT. BUT THEY'RE NOT SPECIAL ORDER. OH OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK IN HERE YOU HAVE IT. I THINK THAT'S LIKE THE BRAND NAME OF IT. OKAY GOTCHA. OKAY. OKAY, CORRECT. OKAY? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? YEAH I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE COLORS OTHER IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE ORDINANCE ABOUT COLORS BEING SPECIFICALLY CHOSEN? UM AS IT MENTIONS IN THE REPORT, THERE IS THESE ARE ANYWAY. OH, HERE WE GO. SORRY. UM THE COLORS ARE ALL PART OF THE SHERWIN WILLIAMS HISTORIC COLOR POWER. RIGHT? AND SO THEY DO. MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. YES, SIR. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY PAINT SAMPLES OR NO? OF THE COLORS. NO OKAY. PICTURE THAT I GOT FROM THE SHERWOOD WILLIAMS. OKAY? YEAH. 
          CAN THE PAINT COLORS BE ACCESSED ON THE INTERNET ON THE THERE ARE MONITORS. IF YOU IF YOU GOOGLE SHERWIN WILLIAMS, OR S W WHATEVER THE NAME IS, YOU'LL FIND IT. AND IF YOU JUST GO TO STYLE PAINT COLORS. EXTERIOR. IT'LL. I HAVE TO DO IS JUST NAME WHATEVER THE COLOR IS SW WHATEVER THE COLOR IS. OH I SEE . YEAH I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO CHOOSE THE ENTIRE PALETTE BECAUSE WE GOT IT FROM THE PALETTE OF THE ENTIRE HOUSE. AND, OF COURSE, EVERY MONITORS DIFFERENT AND WE'LL SHOW COLOR DIFFERENTLY. SO BUT IT GIVES YOU AT LEAST A GENERAL IDEA WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I DID DO THAT EARLIER TODAY. AND THEY LOOK FINE TO ME. I HAVE THE ACTUAL PICTURE. CAN I PASS IT AROUND? TRY TO PULL IT UP ON MY PHONE. 
          OH, YEAH. LOOKS GOOD. YEAH, I LIKE IT. UM SO. I ALSO NOT TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE, BUT I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT. UM I HAVE SOME CONCERNS. I THINK ONE OF THEM IS I DON'T THINK THIS IS REALLY OBVIOUSLY A BUSY AREA, BUT I NOTICED THAT THE GARAGE IS GOING TO BE CLOSER TO KEEPER. DOES NOT OWN KEEPER. AND I KNOW THERE'S EXISTING LIKE WHERE I 
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GUESS THERE USED TO BE A DRIVEWAY, SO IT'S NOT THERE. IT'S LIKE CLOSER TO KIEFER. I MEAN, DO YOU THEORETICALLY THINK THAT IT'S LIKE TO CLOSE WITH LIKE TRAFFIC AND BACKING CARS OUT OF THERE BEING LIKE, ALMOST LIKE SUPER CLOSE THAT INTERSECTION. WHEN. I DON'T THINK SO. HOWEVER THIS WILL GO THROUGH. UM A REVIEW. UM WHEN THAT BUILDING PLANS AND PART OF THOSE BUILDING PLANS REVIEWS IS ENGINEERING. OKAY IF THE CITY ENGINEER FEELS THAT IT'S TOO CLOSE, UM, DUE TO THIS THE SPEED LIMIT, UM TRAFFIC CONDITIONS AND THAT SORT OF THING, THEN THERE MIGHT BE AN ADJUSTMENT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE. OKAY. AND IF ADJUSTMENT WAS MADE, IS THAT DOES IT COME BACK? DOESN'T START OVER OR JUST RIGHT THERE. IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH IT IS. IT WOULD BE A KIND OF MISS ALI CALL, YOU KNOW? OKAY? YEAH WHETHER IT TOOK TOO MUCH, WHETHER IT'S TOO MUCH OR NOT. MY OPINION IS THAT IF IT'S ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE HOUSE NO IF IT HAD TO FLIP TO THE COMPLETELY HOUSE, YES. YEAH BUT IF YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE SAYING, NO, WE JUST NEED TO MOVE IT A LITTLE BIT. UM AND I WOULDN'T OKAY, OKAY. BUT I THINK THE OTHER TO ME CONCERN IS THAT IT IS ATTACHED. I KNOW THE ORDINANCE STATES THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. BUT TO ME THE WAY THE ORDINANCE READS IS THAT IT IS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, BUT IT'S ONLY THAT IT'S NOT YOURS, SAYING IT'S NOT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ONLY BECAUSE IT'S BEING BUILT AS IT'S ATTACHED, BUT IT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE A HOUSE, SO IT TECHNICALLY IT'S STILL IS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A GARAGE FOR HOUSE. AND I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED BY HAVING IT ATTACHED THAT PERSONALLY, I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD WITH A CRAFTSMAN, BUT I THINK IF YOU GET ANOTHER STYLE OF HOUSE THAT SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD IN THIS DISTRICT AND THEY WANT TO ATTACH IT AND IT DOES. IT DOESN'T LIKE, MATCH IT. 
          THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN THAT WE HAVE NOW LET THIS HAPPEN WITH IT ATTACHED. AND THEY, BUT THEY DID IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE ORDINANCE. TALKS ABOUT LIKE BUILDINGS THAT ARE LEND THEMSELVES TO THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT AND OTHERS THAT DON'T LIKE THE ONES WHO BUILT IN THE EIGHTIES. AND SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT GOING FORWARD EVERY SINGLE BUILDING THAT GOES IN THERE IS NOT KIND OF LIKE THE IN BETWEEN WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S HISTORICAL, BUT IT'S VERY CLEARLY LIKE MODERNIZED IF THAT MAKES SENSE. DO WE KNOW WHAT THE DEPTH OF ALATAS. YEAH RIGHT HERE. IT'S 56 FT. ONE WAY IN 86 FT THE OTHER WAY. UM. I WILL SAY THIS THAT THIS AREA WAS BROUGHT INTO THE DISCOUNT ON OUR STORY, AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING. MHM TELLING YOU STAFFS THOUGHT PROCESS WHILE WE WERE OKAY WITH IT, UH, INTERPRETATION OF THE ORDINANCE . AND THEN THE OTHER PART ABOUT IT WAS IS THAT THIS AREA WAS BROUGHT IN. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSES THAT ARE ALSO UM, THIS ONE HAS A GARAGE. THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE AT 107301 HAS A GARAGE. THAT'S A PART OF THE HOUSE. 109 IS DETACHED. UM 105. DOESN'T HAVE A GARAGE AT ALL. 
          THE ONES I TALKED ABOUT THAT DON'T HAVE LIKE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE BECAUSE THEY'RE BUILT. THEY'RE LIKE NEW. SO TO ME. THAT'S WHY ESPECIALLY PUTTING IT SURROUNDED BY SO MANY THAT DO HAVE ATTACHED GARAGES THAT DON'T IT DOESN'T DISTINGUISH IT AS BEING HISTORICAL BUILDING. AT LEAST LOOK HISTORIC IN THE DISTRICT VERSUS THE OTHERS WHO LOOK LIKE THEY ARE. SO IF WE IF WE WERE TO SAY NO TO THAT GARAGE, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY IS NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR THEM TO HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE. SO WHERE WOULD PUT THE PARK CAN BE AND THEN? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THIS LOT IS VERY SMALL. IT'S VERY CHALLENGING. SO WOULD YOU FEEL BETTER? IF THE GARAGE WERE AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, AND THE MASTER WAS AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. HOLD ON. LET ME LOOK AT THIS. IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT IT'S ATTACHED BUT IT IT'S TO ME. IT DOESN'T. I DON'T THINK IT'S CRITICAL ISSUE FOR ME. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK THAT MAKE ME FEEL BETTER. THAT'S ME. PERSONALLY I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRESIDENT THAT IT SETS GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THE GARAGE LOOKS GOOD ON THIS CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOUSE. IT'S NOT THAT IT'S JUST WHAT I'M AFRAID OF AFRAID OF. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD SOME KIND OF VICTORIAN HOUSE, AND THEY PUT A GARAGE ON IT THAT'S ATTACHED. AND THEY USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE UNDER THIS EXACT SAME ORDINANCE THAT THEY DID IT, SO THERE IS A VICTORIAN 
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HOUSE OF UM. TAKING LANE MHM. AND RUSH CREEK. ON THE CORNER WAS BUILT IN THE MID EIGHTIES, AND IT DOES HAVE AN ATTACHED GARAGE AND IT LOOKS FINE. TO ME. IS THAT IN HISTORICAL DISTRICT? I DON'T KNOW. NO IT'S NOT. BUT IT'S STILL DOESN'T REALLY DETRACT FROM THE AESTHETIC. YOU KNOW, OKAY VALUE OF THE HOUSE TO ME. BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S PLACED AND IT'S A SWING. IT'S ALSO SWING. IT'S ON THE SIDE. SO YOU DON'T SEE IT FROM THE FRONT. UM, I. JUST AS AN EXAMPLE. LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO DRIVE BY IT. TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, OKAY? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THOUGHTS ON IT? UM. WHAT ELSE WOULD BE USED FOR? WE DIDN'T ALLOW THIS. THIS SIDE IS RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S ALWAYS SO IT'S EITHER GOING TO HAVE A HOUSE ON IT, OR IT'S GOING TO STAY AN EMPTY LOT. THE QUICK ANSWER. YEAH. I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT YES, QUICK ANSWER IS YES. SO THE HMM. CHOICES DO WE ALLOW A GARAGE THAT'S ATTACHED TO DO WE NOT ALLOW GARAGE AT ALL, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO GET ANOTHER ONE ON THERE. IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT? OKAY WITH THE GARAGE. OH I WANTED AND WENT TO RAILING. OKAY, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS. SO YOU WANT THE RAILING LIKE ALL THE WAY, INCLUDING LIKE FROM THE DOOR TO THE PORCH? NO, NOT THERE, BUT EVERYWHERE ELSE, LIKE THE SIDE THE FRONT. ALL THAT. OKAY OUTSIDE ON THE FRONT. ANY OTHER CHANGES THAT Y'ALL. AND I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THEN. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ADDING THE RAILINGS TO THE FRONT FACING SIDE OF THE HOUSE. ASIDE OF THE PORCH AND THE, UM SIDE OF THE STREET FACING THREE MARVEL. I SECOND THE MOTION. 
          OKAY? OKAY, SO I GUESS THAT'S IT. YOU MIGHT WANNA MAKE A AND FOR ADJOURNMENT. AND MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. OUR SECOND THE MOTION TO ADJOURN. GREAT.
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