[00:00:03] OKAY JEREMY HAS HIT AN ACCIDENT SO HE WILL NOT BE HERE UNTIL SEVEN. SO I HAVE DIRECTED HIM TO [Municipal Walking Trails Selection Panel Meeting on September 21, 2023.] WATCH IT ONLINE. SO HE WILL BE UP TO SPEED WHEN HE DOES GET HERE SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND START THE MEETING. UM SO I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE ARTS SELECTION COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER WE HAVE A QUORUM OF THE SELECTION PANEL. AND JEREMY WILL BE HERE SHORTLY. UM. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, JUST HAVE YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELVES AND WHAT YOU DO. UM BEFORE THE PANEL AND ALSO FOR THE BOARD AND ALSO FOR THE ARTISTS. SO, JOSEPH, YOU WANT TO START. MY NAME IS JOSEPH MURDOCH. I'M A TECHNICAL THEATER DIRECTOR FOR SAXON HIGH SCHOOL. ALSO ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE GARLAND CIVIC THEATER, AND ON THIS ON THE CHARTS BOARD. I AM JOSH WINDSOR. I HAVE WORKED IN MUSICAL THEATER. AS I SAID, DESIGNER, ALSO AS A SET CONSTRUCTION BUILDER ON THAT SIDE, AND I HAVE ALSO DONE PROFESSIONAL PAINTING AROUND DALLAS. YOU'LL HAVE TO TURN YOURS OFF. I'M JAN GARNER. I'M A CITIZEN OF WILEY AND I'M RETIRED. AND, UM. I HAVE PREVIOUSLY DONE ARTWORK. WHEN I WAS WORKING. HELLO I'M JULIE PANEL AND I WORK FOR THE PARKINSON RECREATION DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY OF WILEY. UM RECREATION SUPERVISOR AND I OVERSEE ALL THE MARKETING EFFORTS FOR THE DEPARTMENT, ALONG WITH SPECIAL OF IT. HELLO. I'M LINDA MATTHEWS. I AM AN ARTIST, AND I AM ON THE BOARD FOR THE RICHARDSON CIVIC ART SOCIETY. AND I'VE BEEN DOING ART FOR 40 YEARS. THANK YOU ALL. SO THE FIRST PRESENTATION THAT WE WILL HAVE TONIGHT IS FROM PATRICK SULLIVAN. HE WILL DO HIS PRESENTATION. AND THEN YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. AND ONCE HE HAS COMPLETED HIS PRESENTATION WILL HAVE THE OTHER TWO AT THAT TIME. UM MHM. THE ARTISTS WILL GO BACK TO THE HOTEL AND YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THE YARD AND WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS MIGHT BE. THE MARKETS WILL ALL BE ON THIS TABLE SO YOU CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THEM AS SHE DISCUSSED. PATRICK. SPECIALIZED WORKING WITH STONE. MY ENTIRE CAREER IS A SCULPTOR. THOUGH I DID START OUT AS A PAINTER ORIGINALLY. BUT. WHEN I DISCOVERED STONE AT ART SCHOOL. MY INSTRUCTOR DID A FEW PIECES AND SOAPSTONE. VERY HOMES STUDY WITH HENRY MOORE ACTUALLY. AND HE TOLD ME THERE'S A PILE OF STONE OVER THERE. THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO DO NOW. SO THAT WAS 19. 74 SO I'VE BEEN DOING IT EVER SINCE. SO UM, I STARTED OUT WITH WITH HAND TOOLS MAINLY COMPLETELY. AH I WASN'T REALLY INTRODUCED TO MUCH TECHNOLOGY WAS STONED UNTIL I WENT TO, UH, GERMANY AND 1980. PUBLIC ARTS, IMPOSING WITH 25 OTHER SCULPTORS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. BORDERED AND WORKED WITH THEM FOR THREE MONTHS. AND THEN I WAS INTRODUCED TO SAWS AND OTHER TECHNOLOGY. EVEN LASER STUFF THAT JUST BURNING STONE WITH TORCHES AND. BUT THEY I JUST COULDN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND A LOT OF IT. SO THEY HAVE ME DOING ALL THE HANDWORK ALL THE POINT WORK. UH, NOBODY ELSE WANTED TO DO SO. ALTHOUGH OVER THE YEARS I'VE YOU KNOW, ADJUSTED TO USING SAWS AND. AND OTHER POLISHING EQUIPMENT. UM I STILL MAINLY CARVED BY HAND. I STILL HAVE A LOT OF MY HAND TOOLS THAT I HAD [00:05:06] AND SEVENTIES AND ACTUALLY, I USED I CARVED THESE THESE MODELS HERE WITH TO STAY ON TOOLS. THEY'RE COMPLETELY CARVED BY HAND AND ON OUR OF THE K DONATION. AND THERE ARE ARTISANS AND CRAFTSMEN. WORKED STRICTLY BY HAND. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY TECHNOLOGY AND AH, THERE POTTERY WORKS IS TRULY AMAZING. I'M NOT . I DID STUDY A LITTLE POTTERY AT ART SCHOOL, BUT I'M JUST WAS BLOWN AWAY IN MY RESEARCH. UM THEIR DESIGNS ARE. WELL, THEY REALLY SUIT MY STYLE, ACTUALLY, AND, UH JUST REALLY INTRICATE AND BEAUTIFUL STUFF. PRODUCT OF NATURE AND. SO I'M VERY HONORED TO BE HERE AND TO BE ABLE TO DO THESE PIECES BY HAND. AND UH, COMPLETED PIECES WILL MAINLY BE DONE BY HAND. UM. THESE PIECES ARE PROJECTED TO BE ABOUT 6 6.5 FT HIGH. ALRIGHT NOW THEY'RE LIKE TWO BY 2 FT, BUT THEY CAN THE LARGER COMMITTEE. THE CATO. PEOPLE WANT THEM TO BE A LITTLE BIGGER. THEY CAN BE 22.5 OR 3 FT WIDE. THEY TELL THE STORY OF KATO PEOPLE CATO CULTURE. UM, YOU SEE THE POTTERY SHAPES HERE, THERE. OF COURSE, THEY'RE EXAGGERATED TO MAKE THEM MORE INTERESTING IN THE SCULPTURE AND SO ALL PEOPLE CAN ENJOY THEM, ESPECIALLY LITTLE KIDS AND CHILDREN, LOVE YOU KNOW THAT STUFF THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TOUCH IT. AND REAL THAT AND, UH REALLY SEE. YOU KNOW, A GOOD CHUNK OF, YOU KNOW. CATO CULTURE. THE ORIGINAL. INHABITANTS OF THE AREA AND. YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE CATTLE SON HERE. THAT WAS A BIG FEATURE OF THEIR CULTURE. AND, UH, IT'S KIND OF IRONICAL. IT FITS IN WITH A SOUTHWEST NATIVE CULTURES THAT ARE THE FOUR DIRECTIONS IS A BIG SYMBOL. AND SO I MEAN, THEY HAD, LIKE, SORT OF THE POOR DIRECTIONS ON HERE, WHICH IS KIND OF SOMETHING INTERESTING. I JUST SORT OF STUMBLED ON AND UM ON THIS SIDE. HERE YOU HAVE THE. THE IMPLEMENTS WERE DUG UP IN THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIG HERE. IN 2009 , I BELIEVE AND THEY'LL HAVE, LIKE MORE ROUGH. TEXTURES, TOO. YOU KNOW, INDICATE THAT THERE ARE DUG UP AND THEY'RE ROUGH. CRUDE IMPLEMENTS THAT PEOPLE USED TO SURVIVE. AND, UH, SO I'LL BE USING A LOT OF DIFFERENT TEXTURES WITH THIS SCULPTURE LIKE PEOPLE GENERALLY FORGET ABOUT THE MODELS WHEN I DO THE BIG PIECE THAT YOU KNOW THEY'RE ALL OVER THE MODELS OF FIRST, BUT WHEN THE BIG PIECES ARE DONE. THEY'RE JUST COMPLETELY FORGET ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE OBJECT IS THE BIGGER PIECES ARE BETTER. THEY'RE MORE EFFECTIVE. AND THERE ARE THESE SCULPTURES ARE TOTALLY THREE DIMENSIONAL. UM. YOU KNOW, THEY GIVE GIVE GIVE YOU A GOOD IDEA WHAT THE CATO PEOPLE WERE ALL ABOUT. YOU SEE THESE POTTERY SHAPES HERE? UM TAKEN FROM THEIR POTTERY. OF COURSE, ON THE FINISHED SCULPTURE. THERE'LL BE MORE OF A BORDER ON THESE, LIKE YOU KNOW, A BORDER ON THE SIDE SO THEY WON'T SORT OF BLEED INTO THE OTHER SIDE. BUT AND THEN YOU HAVE THE GRASS HUTS. THAT THE CATO LIVED IN AND THERE. CREDIBLE SHAPES. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GOT THEM. SO PERFECT, BUT AMAZING. UM. THAT WAS ONE OF THE HARDEST PARTS OF CARVING. THIS WAS THOSE HEARTS. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THAT ON THE RIGHT TOOL TO GET THE RIGHT TEXTURE. THEN THESE DESIGNS ARE ALL TAKEN FROM PIECES OF POTTERY FRAGMENTS THAT I GOT OFF THE INTERNET. UM. I'M NOT SURE WHAT SOME OF THE MAIN BUT THIS ONE DOWN HERE IS DEFINITELY A WARRIOR. LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT. UM CHILDREN ON LOVE THAT. [00:10:33] HMM JUST USE THE UP DOWN BUTTONS FOR YOUR POWER POINT. REMEMBER, FIND THAT STAY CAN YOU YOU HELP HIM? OKAY THERE YOU GO . UP AND DOWN HERE. THANKS. THANK YOU. SO I'VE GOT. WELL YOU KNOW, I CAN DO ON SITE PROJECTS. I'VE DONE A LOT OF THEM. AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND YOU'LL SEE IN THE WRITTEN PROPOSAL. YOU SEE THE POSTERS THAT HAVE DONE ARE DIFFERENT. PUBLIC ART PROJECTS I'VE DONE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND. THE PUBLIC'S WELCOME TO COME BY AND CHART. UM EVEN CRITICIZED THE WORK THAT THEY WANT TO AND AS YOU SEE BY THAT BOOK, THERE HAS BEEN VERY POPULAR WITH THE PUBLIC. UM THE COMMENT BOOK IS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SIGN IT, THEY USUALLY GIVE THEM A FREE POLLSTER. TO TAKE HOME WITH THEM AND OF TRIP OFF THE BLOCK IF THEY CAN. KIDS USUALLY TAKE LIKE THE PILE OF THEM HOME. UH HUH. SO. THAT'S ONE POSSIBILITY. UM IF. THE COMMITTEE IS INTERESTED. NOT WE COULD PURSUE THAT IF I COMMISSIONED ARTISTS THE OTHER POSSIBILITY IS JUST TO DO WITH MY STUDIO AND SAINT GEORGE. UM IF I DID A LOCALLY HERE WE PROBABLY USE LOCAL STONE. I'VE CONTACTED PROVIDER. FLORENCE. FOR LARGE BLOCKS OF TEXAS LIMESTONE. ABOUT THE SAME HARDNESS IS INDIANA LIVE STONES SO WHETHER IT'S REALLY WELL IT'S LOCAL TRY TO KEEP THE BUSINESS LOCAL IF I CAN SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY. AH INDIANA LIMESTONE IS COURSE IN HISTORIC AMERICAN STONE. AH! IT'S THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDINGS BUILT OUT OF IT. THE PENTAGON THOUSANDS OF BUILDINGS IN THE COUNTRY. IT'S WELL, THAT'S ALL AMERICAN, TOO. THAT'S ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE. BUT THAT COMES FROM OBVIOUSLY FROM INDIANA. SO UM. YEAH, THERE'S DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES IN REALIZING THIS COMMISSION. THE BAR. IN THE PREVIOUS PROJECTS I'VE DONE ON SITE THEY'VE HAD BUSLOADS OF CHILDREN. COME BY FROM THE LOCAL SCHOOLS AND WATCH ME WORK FOR A WHILE. SO. IT'S KIND OF A UNIQUE WAY OF DOING PUBLIC ART BECAUSE PEOPLE GET DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THERE. AND THEIR PUBLIC ART. AND I'M ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE THAT CAN DO IT THAT WAY, ACTUALLY. UM I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I JUST SEEMED TO FEED OFF THE ENERGY OF PUBLIC AND MY BELIEF IS PUBLIC ART. UM. IT'S GOT TO FEED PEOPLE GIVE THEM GOOD ENERGY. AND THE STONE IS VERY GOOD WAY TO DO THAT. UM CREATIVE VISUAL ELEMENT THAT'S VERY PLEASING. THAT MAKES PEOPLE WANT TO COME BACK. AND LOOK AT THE SCULPTURE AGAIN. THEY'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT A ONE TIME AND I'VE SEEN IT, YOU KNOW? SO THEY WANT TO COME BACK, AND THAT'S THE THREE DIMENSIONAL QUALITY OF THE SCULPTURE CREATES AN INTEREST. AND IN THIS CASE, TELLING A STORY ABOUT HISTORY. THE AREA OF BLACK LINE TRAILS AREA AND, UH AND HONORING THESE THESE PEOPLE. SO CALLED PRIMITIVE PEOPLE. LET'S HEAR. DOING IT IN A BIG WAY. SO UM. I . DID BRING A CD ONE OF MY PREVIOUS PROJECTS. UH, ON SITE AND TELL US OKLAHOMA UM, BUT THERE'S NO EQUIPMENT TO SHOW IT [00:15:07] RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO FIND COMMISSIONED ARTISTS. I'LL LEAVE THE CD WITH CAROL AND THE COMMITTEE CAN LOOK AT IT LATER, BUT IT'S A PROFESSIONALLY DONE. I HAVE SEVERAL OF THEM. PROFESSIONALLY DONE. UH HUH. CD VIDEO, ALSO WITH THE MEDIA. THESE PROJECTS CAN GENERATE A LOT OF REALLY POSITIVE. MEDIA. I HAVE A STACK OF NEWSPAPER ARTICLES. UM YOU KNOW REALLY GOOD. PR FOR THE COMMUNITY. I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S SORT OF A MYTH. WELL, AN ARTIST CREATES A LOT OF CONTROVERSY. UM THEN THERE, REMEMBER. WELL YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE IN THAT LOSS, AFI. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN , I CAN'T GO UP THERE WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER AND START DAMAGING MY WORK JUST TO GET SOME NEGATIVE ATTENTION. SO. THAT'S A REAL PLUS WITH AN ON SITE PROJECT. YOU KNOW, IT GETS A LOT OF LOT OF FOLKS INVOLVED. PATRICK YOU WANT TO GO OVER YOUR BUDGET A LITTLE BIT. PARDON ME OVER YOUR BUDGET A LITTLE BIT. BUDGET. OKAY? UM THE BUDGET. PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. UM. THERE'S AN ON SITE SCULPTING BUDGET AND THERE'S BUDGET FOR SCULPTING MY STUDIO AND ST GEORGE'S PRETTY SIMILAR. IN SOME WAYS. THE LOCAL TEXAS LIMESTONE IS A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER THAN YOU KNOW. INDIANA LIMESTONE. UM. IT WAS JUST SORT OF ESTIMATES. I DO HAVE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. I TALKED TO LOCAL GUY. HE GAVE ME A QUARTER $600 FOR THE TWO DRAWINGS OF THERE'S ONLY ONE SCULPTURE WOULD BE $300. THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. UM I TALKED TO SOME PEOPLE ABOUT THE BASE WORK. THEY JUST SORT OF GAVE ME A ROUGH IDEA WITHOUT ANY DRAWINGS. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PURSUE IT TOO MUCH FURTHER. BUT THEY GAVE ME A ROUGH IDEA OF WHAT IT MIGHT COST AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A RAISED BASE, MAYBE HALF A FOOT ABOVE THE GROUND. PROBABLY HAVE TO GO AT LEAST 2 FT DOWN, BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY SOUND E SOIL OUT THERE SO REINFORCED CONCRETE. AND. I UNDERSTAND THE CITY SUPPLIES A PLAQUE AS A IS THAT THE WAY IT WORKS, OR THAT'S CORRECT. SO. INSURANCE WELL, I GOT THAT THAT COVERED. I GOT A PLAN ON THAT AND TRUCKING. THAT DEPENDS ON WHETHER IT'S LOCAL STONE OR SHIPPED FROM INDIANA. THAT'S GOING TO COST A BIT MORE SO UM. COMMISSIONED I'LL GO DOWN TO FLORENCE WITH A STONE IS AND ALL PUT THE CHISELS TO IT, THE FELLOW SAID. IT JUST COME DOWN WITH YOUR TOOLS. CHECK THE STONE OUT. MAKE SURE IT'S SUITABLE FOR THE PROJECT. I'M SURE IT WILL BE, THOUGH. SO. UM MISCELLANEOUS COSTS THAT JUST COVERS. UH YOU KNOW THINGS THAT COME UP. VIDEO. DIFFERENT THINGS. SCULPTOR, HONORARIUMS FREE, STRAIGHTFORWARD. ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK MAYBE EVERYBODY PROBABLY UNDERSTOOD YOUR BUDGET. BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY FOR MYSELF, UM, 10,000 BEING SCULPTED HERE OR IS THAT 10,000 PLUS THE 55? I'M TRYING TO STAND THE LOCAL VERSUS IN YOUR STUDIO. IN YOUR PRESENTATION, SAYS STUDIO SCULPTING PROJECT SAINT GEORGIA. BUT THEN THE PAGES CUT OFF, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE 55 IS COMPLETELY FOR LOCAL, AND THERE'S A DIFFERENT PRICE FOR GEORGIA. AH, WHETHER 10,000 FOR THE INDIANA LIMESTONE THAT INCLUDES THE TRUCKING. TO SAINT GEORGE OR WILEY. UM. THE LOCAL TEXAS LIME STONES ABOUT HE SAID 2500 THEN THERE'S A TRUCKING ON THAT. ELISABET OF A DIFFERENCE HERE AND THOSE TWO LIKE I SAID. IT DEPENDS ON YOU KNOW? WHAT THE COMMITTEE YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO SEE LOCAL STONE OR INDIANA LIMESTONE. I AM OPEN TO EITHER POSSIBILITIES SO YEP. THEY'RE [00:20:02] BOTH. PRETTY TERRIFIC STONES AND THEY HAVE A TOWN SORT OF EARTH COLOR. AND THERE. THERE'S A PERFECTLY SUITABLE FOR THAT KIND OF CARVING, ESPECIALLY BY HARD ESPECIALLY THE INDIANA LIVE. STONE HOLDS AN EDGE FOR LIKE, EVER. IT'S JUST AMAZING STUFF. YEAH. SO I GUESS WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE BUDGET IS REGARDLESS OF WHICH ONE WE CHOOSE. THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST, RIGHT? YEAH, YOU TO BE HERE TO DO IT? WITH THE TEXAS LIMESTONE. THIS DOESN'T NONE OF THIS CHANGES ONLY BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS A BIT CHEAPER BECAUSE YOU GET TO DO IT HERE. IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT I'M GETTING? AN EXTRA CHOICES ARE PRETTY THE OTHER. THEY'RE SOLID. I'VE GOT WRITTEN GUESSTIMATES FROM INDIANA LIMESTONE COMPANY. UM, TRUCKING. THAT'S UH. YEAH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S UH, GUESSTIMATE WHERE 22 PIECES. A COUPLE OF MONTHS. COULD BE COULD BE MORE. I DON'T LIKE TO YOU KNOW, PUT MYSELF UNDER THE GUT. I WANT TO DO THE BEST WORK. I CAN, UH AND , UH, WE JUST STAY AT YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE STAYING ON. PROBABLY. IT'S NICE. NICE HOTEL. I'M SURE THE CITY COULD GET US A PRETTY GOOD DEAL. AND UH, SO YOU KNOW, MONEY STAYS IN THE COMMUNITY. YEAH. UM AND IT'S NOT VERY FAR AWAY, DEPENDING ON YOU KNOW WHAT SITE WE CAN FIND. I'M SURE THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. USUALLY ISN'T SO. UM. THAT'S A YOU KNOW, GUESSTIMATE FOR LODGING HOTEL. FOOD. TRANSPORTATION, THAT SORT OF THING. CAR. SO YOU DID. YOU DID SHOW HERE THAT THE STONE IS 2 FT BY 2 FT, BUT I DID HEAR YOU SAY EARLIER. IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER IF WE IF WE WANTED TO. YEAH CERTAINLY. I DON'T THINK I WANT TO GO TOO MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT, BECAUSE YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE TOP AND YEAH. BUT IT COULD GO WIDER. THEY COULD GO. YOU KNOW, 2 TO 3 FT. 2.5. IT COULD GO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. NOT LIKE THE HEIGHT. I WAS JUST THE WIDTH IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. 2 FT BY 2. FT YEAH, I JUST THAT'S JUST A NUMBER. UM I KNEW WHEN I WAS GOING TO DO MY PRESENTATION. OH, BY THE WAY, I FORGOT TO INTRODUCE WHITEWATER. SHE'S THE OTHER SULLIVAN THERE. I'M SORRY . MY APOLOGIES. WHEN THEY DO ON FRIED. UNDER A TENT. OH, THEY IMPLEMENT TO GIVE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THAT. FOR ANYONE. SHE NEEDS TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM TO SPEAK BECAUSE IT'S A RECORDED MEETING. THANK YOU, AND SHE, YOU KNOW. A LOT OF SUPPORT. YEAH I AM. I'M THE ONE. OKAY LET'S SAY THIS ALL AGAIN NOW I'M WHEN WE DO A ON SITE PROJECTS. I'M THE ONE THAT DEALS WITH THE P R AND MAKE SURE ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THINGS, TOO, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING IN PUBLIC AND PEOPLE ARE WALKING BY AND CHILDREN. WELL WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT SO THAT THERE IS THERE ARE NO SAFETY ISSUES AND ESPECIALLY LITTLE CHILDREN. YOU KNOW YOU DON'T WANT PROBLEMS, BUT I'M THE ONE THAT THAT HANDS OUT THE PAPERWORK. GIVE THEM LITTLE STAR, THE LITTLE STONES AND SIGNATURES OF THEY WANT TO SIGNATURE OR SOMETHING SCRATCHED ON THE STONE. WE DO ALL THAT FOR THEM, EXPLAIN EVERYTHING TO THEM . WALK THEM AROUND. SO I'M THE ONE THAT DOES THAT. AND MY BASICALLY, I'M HIS PROTECTOR WHILE HE DOES THE SCULPTING PRAISING ME UP, YEAH. SO THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE TO GET A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT YEAH, BUT IF THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO TALK TO THE SCULPTURE OR TALK TO THAT TALKED TO THE SCULPTOR OR LITTLE KIDS THAT YOU KNOW WE WILL. I WILL BRING THEM OVER. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO BECAUSE WE LIKE TO BE INTERACTIVE WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE WE'RE SCULPTORS OFF THE PEOPLE. HIS FIRST WORK IN GERMANY ARE BIG, HUGE PIECE WAS CALLED PEOPLE BECAUSE WE'RE THE PEOPLE OF SCULPTORS WERE NOT ELITIST. AREN'T BELONGS TO THE COMMUNITY TO THE PEOPLE AND THE REASON THAT IT'S GOING TO DO PUBLIC ART IS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE HAVE BECOME INVOLVED AND THEY KNOW THAT THEY AREN'T IS THERE'S [00:25:02] IT'S NOT JUST. SOME ELITE SOMEWHERE HIGH UP, DECIDED TO HAVE SOMETHING DONE. THIS BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT ABOUT THE PEACE. WE WILL. HE WILL THINK ABOUT IT AND MAYBE TRANSLATED ONTO THE PIECE. JUST AS WITH, UM IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMMITTEE SAYS, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE THIS TO BE PUT ON THERE. IT'S NOT THERE RIGHT NOW . BUT I WILL. WE WILL DO THAT BECAUSE WE WILL WORK WITH YOU CARVE A BUS ON THAT. NO NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO A BUS. BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING I STICK STRICTLY TO THE DESIGN, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S LITTLE THINGS THAT MAYBE OCCUR. RIGHT YOU KNOW, LIKE TO SEE WARRIOR ON THERE WILL WORK WITH YOU. THAT'S WHY ALLOW PLENTY OF TIME TO DO THE SCULPTING AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE. BECAUSE WE'RE CHILDREN, BUT THE ADULTS NEED NEED THE ENERGY. JUST YEAH. AND THEN WE, UM WE ARE NOT OUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY TYPE OF PEOPLE. WE WILL WORK. WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S IDEAS , BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IT'S A COMMUNITY WHEN YOU DO IT WITH THE PROJECT IN IN THE CITY. IT. IT'S FOR THE PEOPLE. PEOPLE DO COME BY, AND THAT ALSO BRINGS ADVERTISING PAYERSMONEY PLAYERS . PEOPLE SPEND MONEY TO COME SEE THE PIECE BEING. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT TOURIST THING. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ALL BEEN A SUCCESS. EVERY, UH PUBLIC ART PROJECT WE'VE DONE ON SITE. THE BENEFITS ARE. YEAH, PEOPLE GET GET SOMETHING BACK. EVERYBODY LIKES UP SO. ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY IF THEY WANT TO. I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT THIS RIGHT ? REALLY GOOD AT THE PR. I'M VERY GOOD AT TALKING PEOPLE. I MEAN, NOT UP HERE. I'M NOT VERY GOOD. BUT WHAT? I'M AROUND THEIR ON SITE STUMBLE A LOT, BUT, UM, WHEN I'M AROUND THE PEOPLE, I JUST SEEM TO REALLY I ENJOY IT. AND I LOVE THE PEOPLE. I LOVE TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. AND IT'S JUST SO PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER YEAH. COME TO THESE PROJECTS. YOU KNOW, SEVERAL TOGETHER NOW. WE'VE BEEN MARRIED 18 LEGALLY CLOSE TO WHAT? OVER 17 YEARS 17 TOGETHER 18 AND WE STARTED EVER BEEN MARRIED. BUT WE STARTED THIS BUSINESS 18 YEARS AGO BECAUSE I HAD BEEN IN ROSWELL, NEW MEXICO AT THE ART MUSEUM. THEY'RE ACCREDITED ART MUSEUM WITH THE A AND A AND SO I RAN INTO HIM, AND I SAID, WELL, LET'S GET GOING. LET'S GET SOME PROJECTS GOING AND WE STARTED THE WINNER FIRST PROJECTS AND THEN WE'LL WALK WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF CANADA AND WHISTLER. BUT ANYWAY, I'M RAMBLING. SO I GOT TO SAY IS, I HOPE BOTH OF YOU GUYS SIGN YOUR WORK. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD CARVE IT IN, BUT HOPEFULLY BOTH OF YOU GUYS DO BECAUSE IT'S A PARTNERSHIP CLEARLY. WE WILL THIS TIME. YEAH THIS TIME. WELL THE WORLD'S CHANGING. NO IT'S JUST THAT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY WHAT YOU CALL IT. I'M CAMERA SHY. I HAVE NEVER BEEN A PERSON THAT LIKED THE LIMELIGHT. BUT I'M STARTING TO CHANGE THAT A BIT, YOU KNOW? NAME IS ON EVERY EVERY PROJECT THAT WE'VE YEAH, TOGETHER. AND EVERY PLAQUE THAT I'VE DONE SINCE I'M NOT SURE IN SO BUT THIS TIME FORGET HER NAME ON THE STONE. YEAH. SO. NO PROBLEM ANYWAY, SO SHE'S BEEN A HUGE I DO OBVIOUSLY ALL THE PHYSICAL WORK. AND YOU KNOW, SHE CONSULTS ME CREATIVELY AS WELL. AND I'VE GIVEN HIM SOME IDEAS THAT WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH SOME PROJECTS. AND THEY OKAY SERIES HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD. YOU KNOW, IT GOES ON FOREVER. BUT ANYWAY, I'VE HAD A FEW THINGS THAT HAVE TRANSLATED INTO WINNING OTHER THINGS. BUT ANYWAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, PATRICK. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM. PATRICK WOULD YOU MIND PUTTING THE PIECES ON THE TABLE? CAROL. THANK YOU. CAROL. HOW MUCH TIME DOES EACH ARTISTS HAVE? 30 MINUTES, 30 MINUTES. UM [00:30:06] DID YOU NEED TO BE OUT AT A CERTAIN TIME? THAT'S NOT WHY I'M WORRIED. I'M I WAS JUST CONSIDERING THEIR TIME. HOW MUCH HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR THEM TO PRESENT AND THEN ALSO FOR US TO ASK YEAH. IF IT GOES A LITTLE BIT OVER 30, IT'S ALRIGHT. BUT THEY'VE THEY'VE AGREED TO 30 MINUTES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S THE OTHER THING. DEPARTURE. WELL, NO, I'M NOT. BLOOD HERE. DID YOU HAVE TO GO? YEP. YEAH. COOL. YEAH. WHAT A QUARTER. DID YOU EVER. SO MY PLACE. COME ON, COME ON, COME ON. YEAH. YEAH, CRAZY ONES UP. PURE, MAKE REAL GOOD. UH HUH. MORE BEAUTIFUL. YES, GO. YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OKAY OUR NEXT PRESENTER IS ARTIST ERIC NEWBY, AND HE WILL PRESENT HIS MARQUETTE. HOW ARE Y'ALL? UH, I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF GO OVER WHAT LED ME TO THIS PLACE KIND OF STARTING WITH A QUICK BACKGROUND. YOU'LL SEE DIFFERENT IMAGES OF SOME OF MY PAST WORK. BUT I AM PRIMARILY A METAL FABRICATOR WITH THE BACKGROUND. CASTING THREE D DESIGN, WOODWORKING, CERAMICS. ALL ROUGHLY IN THAT ORDER. FABRICATORS SPECIFICALLY MEANS SPECIALIZED IN LIKE BENDING ROLLING TOWARD JING CUTTING DIFFERENT TYPES OF METALS BASICALLY, THE OVERALL GOAL OF MY WORK IS TO CREATE PIECES THAT RENTED RESIDENCE RESONATES WITH BOTH THE ART CRITIC AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC. UH UM. AND WHILE MY WORK IS OVERALL CONTEMPORARY, IT'S NOT PURELY ABSTRACT. ON SOME OF THE BIGGEST PENDANTS OF MY WORK ARE FOCUSING ON THINGS LIKE CRAFTSMANSHIP. WHICH IS KIND OF A UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE FOR EVERYBODY. AND I MEAN, THAT'S JUST PART OF IT. UM SOME OF MY OTHER WORKS. IN YOU AS WELL. UH UM. I USUALLY START ALL MY PROJECTS WITH FROM A PLACE OF REPRESENTATION, MEANING I BEGIN WITH A LITERAL DEPICTION OF A TANGIBLE OBJECT RATHER THAN JUST A PURELY ABSTRACT THOUGHT OR AN IDEA. FROM THIS POINT. I DESIGN WITH THE STRENGTH OF FABRICATION IN MIND. HOW TO REPRESENT AN OBJECT IN A SIMPLIFIED YET EXPRESSIVE, UNIQUE AND [00:35:04] UNEXPECTED MANNER USING TO BEING ANGLE IRON METAL PLATES, ASSUMING I'M NOT CASTING AND IN THIS DISTANCE YOU HAVE A SCULPTURE OF A SEX TENT NEXT TO ACTUAL SEX. DO YOU KIND OF SEE THE YOU KNOW, INSPIRATION AND A FINISHED PIECE. CAN EVERYONE HEAR ALL RIGHT IN THE AUDIENCE. OKAY? AM I TALKING TOO LOUD OR TOO QUIET? OH, IS. IS THAT ANY BETTER? OKAY? UH UM. THIS BACKGROUND HAS INFORMED THE DIRECTION OF MY WORK. AND THEN, COUPLED WITH THE FEEDBACK THAT I RECEIVED WHILE I WAS PREVIOUSLY HERE IN WELLY UM IT REALLY? PROMPTED ME TO REEVALUATE MY APPROACH AND CREATE A PIECE THAT WOULD BETTER BETTER RESONATE WITHIN THE CITY OF WILEY. UM MY MAIN TAKEAWAYS THAT REALLY KEPT STICKING OUT TO ME FROM Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK WAS A PIECE SHOULD BE MODERN YET. REALISTIC AND OR REPRESENTATIONAL. IT SHOULDN'T REQUIRE. THE VIEWERS HAVE A LOT OF GUESTS WORK AND ITS MEANING. TO CONNECT TO THE HISTORY, THE CULTURE CELEBRATING THE HERITAGE OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, SPECIFICALLY THE KEDO. IT SHOULD BE EASILY UNDERSTOOD. AND WITHOUT THE NEED FOR INTERPRETATION. IT SHOULD NOT BE ABSTRACT OR REQUIRE LOTS OF EXPLANATION. UM IT SHOULD ENGAGE IN CAPTIVATE CHILDREN, ENCOURAGING INTERACTION AND CURIOSITY. THIS DIRECT ME TO SOME TWO. SOMETHING STRAIGHTFORWARD AND IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZABLE, UM, TRYING TO AVOID AMBIGUITY. WITH THE GOAL TO ENCAPSULATE A SIMPLE IDEA EXECUTED PRECISELY. AND THEN WHILE LOOKING AT THE SITE PLANS WITH THIS, MAKING A SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD IDEA IN MIND. THE NEXT CHALLENGE WAS TO CONSIDER HOW APIECE WOULD INTERACT WITH THE SITE. AND STAY WITHIN BUDGET. UH GENERALLY SCULPTURE SHRINKS DRAMATICALLY WHEN IT GOES OUTSIDE, AND A 10 FT. TALL. SOMETHING INSIDE THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO LOOK TINY WHEN IT'S NEXT TO A GIANT TRAIL NEXT TO GIANT TREES. UM. SO MY APPROACH TO MAKE A SUBSIDY SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. ON A DECENT SCALE. IS THERE'S ONLY BASICALLY THREE VIABLE OPTIONS FOR MOST OUTDOOR SCULPTURE. ONE BEING STONEWORK, ANOTHER BEING CASTING AND OTHER BEING FABRICATION. UM THERE ARE SOME NEWER MATERIALS THAT ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE. BUT THOSE ARE THE MAIN CATEGORIES OF GOOD OUTDOOR WORK, AND MY EXTRA TEETH RELIES IN FABRICATION AND CASTING. AND KNOWING THAT CASTING EVEN SMALL OBJECTS GENERALLY TENDS TO BALLOON, THE COST OF THINGS I CHOSE TO GO AND THE MORE FABRICATED ROUTES. ADDITIONALLY, ONE OF THE BENEFITS AND LOVES FABRICATION I HAVE IS THE B A. TWO. THE ABILITY TO DIGITALLY DESIGNED AND RENDER UP. THE EXACT INTENT OF THE PEACE AND GET A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT IT WILL BE BEFORE IN THE MIDDLE AND AT THE END OF THE PROJECT. UM AND YOU CAN SEE. NO. WHERE I SHOULD BE POINTING BECAUSE I GUESS YOU GUYS ALL HAVE SCREENS. UM THIS IS YOU KNOW, LIKE THE BEFORE, WHICH WAS THE MODEL AND THEN THE FINISHED PIECE, WHICH IS STILL WAITING TO BE INSTALLED. UNFORTUNATELY, AND AGAIN. THREE D MODEL NEXT TO THE FINISHED PIECE. IN ADDITION TO MY PIECE, WANTING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S EASILY RECOGNIZABLE. I WANTED TO AIM TO DRAW ON ONE OF THE CARGO PEOPLE'S MOST RECOGNIZABLE AND WELL KNOWN CONTRIBUTIONS. UM AND THIS, AT LEAST TO ME WAS SPECIFICALLY THERE AREN'T IN THEIR POTTERY. AND THIS LOVE OF THEIR POTTERY MAY STEM FROM MY BACKGROUND AND CERAMICS BUTTS. THE MORE I RESEARCHED AND SAW THE WORKS, THE MORE ENAMORED I WAS WITH THEIR DESIGNS AND THEIR APPROACH TO DRAWING. AND. ONE OF THESE STRONG INCLINATIONS TOWARDS POTTERY. IT RELATES TO JUST HOW DECORATION ON FUNCTIONAL WARE WORKS THAT IT SERVES THE DUAL PERSON PURPOSE. ALIGNING WITH ONE OF MY MAIN PHILOSOPHIES AND ART, WHICH IS EMERGING FORM AND FUNCTION. AND POTTERY IS KIND OF IT'S VERY IT'S KIND OF THE RED HEADED STEP CHILD IN THE ART WORLD. BUT YOU HAVE A VESSEL THAT HAS A FUNCTION. THAT IS ALSO UNITED WITH A DESIGN. WHICH MAKES BOTH OF THEM BETTER BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING IT'S A PIECE OF ART [00:40:07] YOU INTERACT WITH UNDER DAY TO DAY. AND THAT VERY MUCH INSPIRED. UM THIS DIRECTION AND I'LL GET SOME MORE OF THAT NEAR THE END, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST. IT WAS STARTING FROM PLACE OF FUNCTION WITH DESIGN. THAT ALLOWS BEER ENGAGEMENT. YES HERE'S JUST SOME MORE INSPIRATIONS OF DIFFERENT POTTERY THAT I WAS LOOKING AT. BUT THAT KIND OF BRINGS ME TO MY ACTUAL DESIGN AND. AS OPPOSED TO TRANSLATE LIKE DIRECTLY THEIR POTTERY ONTO A LARGER SCALE. I OPTED TO USE A BOW FOR SEVERAL REASONS. THE BOW, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, AN EQUALLY IMPORTANT ESSENTIAL TOOL FOR LIFE ON THE PLAINS. IS EASILY RECOGNIZABLE TO EVERYBODY NOWADAYS. WHEREAS YOU KNOW, LIKE A GIANT PICTURE OR A POT OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. HAS A DIFFERENT CONNOTATION, EVEN IF I WERE TO RECREATE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. ON THE LARGE SCALE. IT HAS. IT ALMOST FUNCTION MORE AS LIKE SOMETHING YOU MIGHT PURCHASE FROM HOME DEPOT FOR YOUR PLANTS. IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. LIKE IT DOESN'T. IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ENGAGEMENT WITH HISTORY THE SAME WAY THAT I FEEL LIKE A BODAS BECAUSE. EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES IT FROM HISTORY, AND IT'S ALWAYS AND IT'S OUTDATED IN SOME REGARDS, WHICH BASES ITS HISTORY FURTHER BACK. AND BY COMBINING THE BOAT WITH QATAR. DESIGNS. IT'S. USING THAT SAME WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A TOOL. AND ELEVATED. WITH DECORATION. HE WAS JUST ANOTHER IMAGE. AND GIVES YOU KIND OF A SCALE OF WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT. UM AND. YOU KNOW, THE SCALE IS BUILT AROUND TWO THINGS. THE PRIMARY BEING THE SITE IS VERY LARGE AND VERY OPEN, NEEDING TO REPRESENT A LARGE PIECE, AND SECONDLY HOW I DESIGN VERY MUCH DEALS WITH THINGS BUILT ON A COMPUTER AND THINGS BETTER MADE , YOU KNOW, IN REAL LIFE IN THIS CASE. THE STANDARD STRUCTURAL TUBING THAT IS USUALLY SOLD AS A 20 FT PIECE. SO STARTING FROM THAT. I BASICALLY DID THE MATH AND REVERSE ENGINEERED IT TO COME UP WITH YOU KNOW? THIS IS GOING TO BE A 20 FT STRUCTURAL MEMBER. THAT SERVES AS THE ANCHOR AND KIND OF THE STARTING PLACE FOR THE ENTIRE PIECE. AND . THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE ONE OF YOU KNOW THE BIG THING IS ABOUT THE DESIGN IS IT'S ANGLES. AND IT'S YOU KNOW. IT'S VERY YOU KNOW. WITHOUT THIS ADDITIONAL CIRCLE. THIS IS NOT STABLE, WHICH IS NOT REALLY A PROBLEM IF IT'S BOLTED INTO CONCRETE, BUT FOR NOW. IT'S A PIECE THAT WANTS TO FOLLOW OVER THAT WANTS TO BE WITH GRAVITY. BUT IT'S FIGHTING IT AND IT'S GIVING SOMETHING THAT'S UNEXPECTED IN THE WORLD. AND THIS OVERALL GOAL WAS TO CREATE DIFFERENT ANGLES THAT BY GRAVITY AND ENGAGE VIEWERS. WITH THE BOW, CREATING ONE ANGLE. THE ARROW, CREATING A DIFFERENT ANGLE. THE STRING, CREATING A DIFFERENT ANGLE AND THE FEATHERS , ACTING AS A DIFFERENT ANGLE WITH GRAVITY AND ALL OF THESE ARE DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS WITHIN THE PIECE. I FEEL LIKE I ENVISIONED. THIS IS JUST A CLOSE UP OF THE FEATHERS AND I BELIEVE THAT A HANGING ELEMENT IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PIECE. THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS. I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT. ARE OPEN TO FEEDBACK WOULD ACTUALLY ENJOY FEEDBACK BECAUSE IT IT IS A COMMUNITY PROJECTS AND IT'S BEST TO HEAR FROM WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. WHAT PARTICULARLY, UM, I CHOSE AT LEAST FEATHERS TO START OUT WITH BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY DO HOLD CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE. THEY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH ARROWS . THEY CAN ADD A TOUCH OF COLOR TO THE PEACE OVERALL. AND THEY'RE MAL. IT'S MUCH MORE [00:45:01] ORGANIC THAN THE REST OF THE PEACE. SO THEY HAD A NICE CONTRASTS EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON AND WITH THEM FALLING IN GRAVITY. THEY ALSO CONTRAST, EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING ON. BUT THIS ELEMENT COULD ALSO FUNCTION AS SOMETHING AS LIKE WIND CHIMES. IT COULD BE AN ELEMENT THAT YOU COULD I COULD ACTUALLY MAKE. WELL I'M NOT GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK, BUT IT COULD HOUSE ACTUAL PIECES OF LIKE CATTLE POTTERY THAT CAN ALSO HAVE LIVING PLANTS IN IT. HALF OF THE PIECE WOULD HAVE LIVING PLANTS IN IT. I WOULD ADD A TOUCH OF COLOR IN THAT REGARD. BUT. AGAIN. THIS IS ONE DIRECTION THAT IT IS UP TO EVERYBODY ELSE TO THE SIDE. OVERALL ONE OF THE MAIN GOALS AS WELL IS TO CREATE A PIECE THAT HAS LOW MAINTENANCE. UM I PLAN TO FABRICATE ALL THIS OUT OF ALUMINUM BECAUSE IT'S LIGHTWEIGHT. IT'S VERY DURABLE. IT'S VERY WEATHER RESISTANCE. UM AS OPPOSED TO STEEL, WHICH IS VERY STRONG, BUT RUST VERY QUICKLY AND REQUIRES MAINTENANCE. UM. SO THE GOAL WAS TO HAVE THIS THING BE ALIVE FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. UM THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF KIND OF THE APPROACH TO THE ACTUAL DESIGNS. OF THE CATTLE POTTERY THAT I WANT TO INCORPORATE ONTO THE PIECE. UM. I PLAN TO SUPPOSED TO, LIKE, PAINT THEM ON SIMPLY OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. I PLAN TO ETCH THE DESIGNS INTO THE SURFACE OF THE METAL. UM THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES THAT I COULD USE AND THAT CAN GO INTO DEPTH. YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. BUT I BELIEVE THE STRONGEST ONE GOING FORWARD IS TO UM BASICALLY POLISH UP ONE POLISH UP THE METAL AND THEN SANDBLAST AREAS TO CREATE THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE METAL. AND THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF SOME PIECES I'VE DONE. AND YOU CAN SEE LIKE THERE'S NONE OF THAT IS PAINT THAT IS ALL JUST SURFACE TREATMENT. AND IT'S JUST HOW IT'S SANDED HOW IT'S SEALED. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO. YOU KNOW YOU CAN SCRATCH IT, BUT IT'S NOT COMING OFF THAT COLOR DISTINCTION IS PERMANENT. AND IT'S SUPER LOW MAINTENANCE. AND IT'S MUCH LIKE THE POTTERY, WHICH USES LIKE THE NATURAL EARTHENWARE AND USES LIKE I'M ASSUMING SLIP. TO CREATE THE DIFFERENT COLOR CONTRAST. THIS IS KIND OF SIMILAR IN THAT. BASICALLY CUTTING INTO THE METAL TO CREATE THE PATTERNS. AFTER, UM LET'S SEE. THIS IS JUST. SHOWING THE DESIGNS NEXT TO THE POTTERY, BUT. AFTER COMPLETING THE ETCHINGS. I PLANNED THIS SEAL THIS ENTIRE PIECE WITH A HEAVY DUTY LACQUER. THAT'S I'VE BEEN USING FOR YEARS NOW. THAT'S VERY WEATHER RESISTANT. IT LASTS. I THINK IT'S YOU KNOW. ON PAPER GOOD FOR A DECADE. IT'S EASY TO REPLY. EASY TO REAPPLY. UM, IT'S EASY TO CLEAN UP. AND IT'S JUST AS YOU KNOW? I'M AWARE OF HOW HIGH MAINTENANCE SCULPTURE CAN BE. SO I'M TRYING TO JUST CUT THAT OUT FOR EVERYBODY'S SAKE. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS WITH THE LACQUER THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY GO. UM IT'S WE CAN INCLUDE TENTS OR MICA POWDER IN THE LACQUER TO CREATE DIFFERENT COLORS. SUBTLE ON THE PIECE. THAT'S MICHAEL PATTERNS, SPECIFICALLY, WOODMERE KIND OF THE I GUESS THE MILLENNIUM TILES ON YOUR THE COURTHOUSE CITY HALL. UH UM. AND AGAIN, THIS IS OPEN TO FEEDBACK AS WELL, JUST DEPENDING ON WHICH DIRECTION EVERYTHING COULD POTENTIALLY GO, BUT COLOR, NO COLOR. IT'S JUST IT'S REALLY UP THE ALL YOU KNOW ANYTHING. THAT'S. DOES HAVE SAID COLOR. IT IS GOING TO BE IN THE SEALER AND THEN HAS A POTENTIALLY SHORTER LIFE THAN THE METAL ITSELF. BUT A SHORTER LIFE BEING 5 TO 10 YEARS AS OPPOSED TO WHEN THE METAL EVENTUALLY DIES. UM AND I GUESS AND. KIND OF THE FINAL PARTS OF THIS UM, I DID WANT TO INCLUDE A PIECE OF FUNCTIONALITY , AND THIS IS JUST TO GIVE THAT KIND OF A SCALE. UM, [00:50:02] SPECIFICALLY. KIND OF WHERE THE ARROW KIND OF ENDS UP. UM THE. ARROW COULD END UP BEING AN ACTUAL FUNCTIONAL KALEIDOSCOPE. AND IT WOULD NOT BE THAT HARD TO BE, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE THIS ELEMENT OF FUNCTIONALITY. UM IT WOULD BE. THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS AS FAR AS DIRECTIONS ON THIS, BUT OVERALL , IT COULD BE A STATIC ELEMENTS THAT NOBODY CAN MESS WITH IT COULD BE MOBILE, BUT MOBILE MAKES IT MORE LIKELY THEY COULD BREAK DOWN THE ROAD. BUT UH UM, KALEIDOSCOPE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW YOU GUYS MENTIONED YOU WANT PEOPLE TO INTERACT WITH IT, AND THIS IS LIKE A VERY SIMPLE AND SUBTLE WAY TO CREATE AN INTERACTIVE ELEMENTS OF THE PEACE. UM THIS TUBING ISN'T JUST MEANT TO KIND OF BE A STAND IN POTENTIALLY GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE SCALE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S I MADE A FUNCTIONAL KALEIDOSCOPE BEFORE AND IT'S IT JUST REQUIRES SIZE A LITTLE BIT, SO IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT JUST PROPORTIONED AS YOU KNOW. ACTUAL ARROW IS THINNER THAN THIS AGREE. BUT YOU KNOW? YOU HAVE A PERSON THAT JUST IS ABLE TO STAND HERE AND GET A VIEW. AND YOU KNOW, THESE ARE JUST IMAGES OF A KALEIDOSCOPE. UH UM. SO. I GUESS TO SUMMARIZE. YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO CREATE A VERY DYNAMIC PIECE THAT BLENDS THE HISTORY OF THE CADDO PEOPLE WITH AN ELEMENT OF FUNCTIONALITY, JUST LIKE THE POTTERY. AND THEN CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS EASILY RECOGNIZABLE, TOO. YOUR AUDIENCE AND COULD BE FUN FOR EVERYBODY. UM. I CAN GO INTO THINGS LIKE CONSTRUCTION OR BUDGET THAT'S REALLY UP TO YOU ALL FIGURED THAT IS LESS IMPORTANT THAN JUST LIKE. SAYING WHAT MY IDEA IS BUT . BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'LL WANT TO HEAR. I DID HAVE A QUESTION YOU MENTIONED COLOR, WHICH THEN BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION ON BUDGET. HAVE YOU FACTORED THAT IN? UM GENERALLY, THOSE THINGS ARE NOT SUPER EXPENSIVE. LIKE. YOU KNOW THE LACQUER REQUIRED FOR THIS PIECE? PROBABLY LESS THAN A 500 BUCKS. DEPENDING DEPENDING ON THE TENTS. INDEPENDENT LIKE. YES AND NO, OBVIOUSLY IT'S LIKE IF I WANT TO MAKE IT GOLD POWDER, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE NO, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT BUDGET FOR THAT, BUT GENERALLY MICA POWDER INTENSE OR NOT TERRIBLY EXPENSIVE. WELL, WHEN WE OPEN UP THE COMMENTS, I GOT PLENTY OF COMMENTS. AND SUGGESTIONS. UM I MEAN, THERE'S YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ELSE IS STUFF THAT'S LESS INTERESTING. SURE WE CAN BE OPEN TO COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO GO FIRST OR CARRY ON WITH YOUR COMMENTS? OKAY SO FIRST OF ALL I'M GONNA SAY I AM SUPER PROUD OF YOU. BECAUSE THERE WHEN I TOLD YOU THAT, THOUGH, YOUR WORK IS VERY ABSTRACT. MY CONCERN WAS YOU. USUALLY WHEN YOU TALK TO AN ABSTRACT ARTIST, THEY HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THAT. NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A HARD TIME BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T SAID THAT. BUT YOU YOU YOU DEFINITELY MET THE MARK. AS FAR AS YOU DIDN'T SACRIFICE YOUR SIGNATURE SKILL, FORAGING AND. YOU HAVE YOUR FINGERPRINT ON THIS WORK, AND YOU WERE ABLE TO GIVE SOMETHING THAT IS EASILY IDENTIFIABLE. UM AND STILL GIVE VISUAL APPEALING AND INTEREST AND ENGAGEMENT. I DO LIKE THE CURVATURE BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR HOME ELEMENTS IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR POTTERY THAT A LOT OF IT IS CURSED, AND THAT WAS LIKE I MEAN, YOU KNOW THIS IS ALL THE IDEA LIKE TIME I HAD TO PUT INTO AN IDEA. BUT LIKE THE NEXT THE NEXT YEAR. ONE WAS LIKE MAN, THOSE HOMES WOULD BE RIGHT. RECREATE BUT I THINK THE ELEMENT HERE OF THE CURVE IS VERY IT'S VERY PROMINENT HERE AND IN THEIR CULTURE FROM THEIR HOMES TO THEIR POTTERY TO THEIR TOOLS. THERE'S A LOT OF CURVATURE, EVEN IN THEIR DESIGNS WITHIN THEIR POTTERY. THEY LOVED CURVES. HAVE YOU KNOW YOU SHOWED IT IN YOUR PICTURES, TOO? AND IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR CULTURE, YOU SEE THAT OVER AND OVER. UM SO I LIKE THAT YOU TOOK THE BOW, AND YOU KEPT IT A SMOOTH CURVE. AND THEN THE OFF BALANCE IS REALLY ENGAGING. UM, ALSO I ASKED ABOUT THE PRICING ON PAINT, BECAUSE, UM WITH YOU HAVING DESIGNS LIKE THIS, LIKE THEY DO ON THE POTTERY, WHICH YOU MENTIONED IN EVERYDAY TOOL WAS BEAUTIFUL IS THAT THEY HAD ART AND HISTORY CARRYING THEM WITH THEM EVERYWHERE. YOU TOOK A WEAPON, A TOOL THAT THEY ALSO HAD, AND THEN YOU ALSO IMPLEMENTED THE SAME DESIGNS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE. SO WE SEE THAT AND THAT'S VERY EVIDENT. UM BUT MY TWO [00:55:04] QUESTIONS ON THAT IS NUMBER ONE. WOULD YOU BE OPEN IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE OF THE POTTERY? THE EARTH TONES. THERE YOU GO. THE EARTH TONES HERE. WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS WITH THIS PIECE HERE? UM QUESTION. IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE THOSE UNDERTONES IN THOSE ESPECIALLY THE ITCHING THAT WE SEE. YEAH. IS IT POSSIBLE TO RECREATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THAT METAL WORK? UM AS WITH ANYTHING ELSE, YES AND NO, I GUESS IS THE ANSWER. SURE, UM YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO THIS, YOU KNOW. UM. LIKE THESE ARE KIND OF THE NATURAL COLORS OF ONE OF THEM. UM AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF REASONS WOULD AIM TO WORK WITH ALUMINUM. UM ONE BEING IT IS MUCH MORE DURABLE. SURE, GOING WITH SOMETHING LIKE STILL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT MORE EARTH TIME WHEN IT'S RUSTING, BUT IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S COURT 10, WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY. IF IT'S RUSTED AND THEN SANDBLASTED HAVE A RUSTY SURFACE NEXT TO I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. THE CONTRAST IN THE END OVER TIME WOULDN'T BE DESIRABLE. IT'S I MEAN IT. IT'S POSSIBLE. ANYTHING WITH ANY STEEL. PATINA IS JUST INEVITABLE. IT'S NOT AS IF IT'S A WIN WIN. I THINK I SAID THAT RIGHT? YES, IT'S A WIN. IT'S NOT AS IF LIKE. IT'S EVEN COURT IN WHICH IS DESIGNED TO RUST AND CREATED SUBSTANTIAL LAYER FOR PROTECTION AND EVEN THE LAYERS THAT WOULD BE NEXT TO IT. THAT WOULD BE SANDBLASTED AND, YOU KNOW GREAT. SURE. EVEN SEALED EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GOING TO START RUST SO IT WOULD LOSE THAT OVER TIME. OKAY SO IT IS POSSIBLE TO UM, TENT THE WHOLE PIECE. THAT IS ALSO VIABLE. IT'S THEN IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW. IT'S STILL LIKE THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE. WHERE IT IT GOES. IT'S VERY SILVER, AND THEN IT GOES VERY GRAY, AND IT WOULD STILL CREATE A CONTRAST WITH A TENT. ON TOP OF THAT. IT'S JUST WHAT DIRECTION DOES THIS MAKE FROM? THIS IS THE ONE IN, UM UM. YES AND NO, THERE'S I DID MENTION THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL DIRECTIONS YOU CAN GO WITH AS FAR AS LIKE. TINTING, UM THIS WAS TREATED WITH AN ACID AND THEN JUST DRAWING ON UM BECAUSE ORIGINALLY I WAS. IF I CAN GET A STRONG ENOUGH ACID, IT WILL GO INTO MORE OF THE BLACKER RANGE. THE ACID I USED LIKE YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S DARKER, GRAY. IT'S JUST NOT. IT DIDN'T GO AS DARK AS I WANTED. AND PROBABLY BE A SAFER BET TO JUST STAND IT AND THEN EDGE IT WITH THE YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE A VERY SHARP CONTRAST. AND IT'S VERY CONTROLLABLE. UM, I DIDN'T MENTION BUT LIKE YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE DRAWING OUT MOST OF THE DESIGNS ON THE COMPUTER AND JUST STENCILING EVERYTHING IN SO IT'S REALLY CRISP. IS THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION. YEAH, I THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS CONTRAST LIKE BEING ABLE TO REALLY WHEN YOU COME UP ON IT. YOU'RE BEING ABLE TO SEE THAT DIFFERENCE. YOU KNOW OF THE THING, AND I THINK IF YOU'RE SAYING YEAH, YOU CAN HAPPEN THEN. YOU KNOW YOU'RE THE EXPERT. SO I'M ASSUMING YEAH, IT CAN HAPPEN. BECAUSE I SEE IT THERE IN THAT ONE. FOR THE MOST PART. SO THAT'S EXACTLY YEAH. BECAUSE I DO LIKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DARKER ONE WITH THE LIGHT. IN THE LIGHTER 11 ON THE LEFT IS ACTUALLY HIGHER POLISH THAN THE ONE ON THE RIGHT. SO LIKE BASICALLY, THE MORE POLISHED PUT INTO IT. THE BIGGER THAT CONTRAST, GET IT'S JUST THE ONLY DRAWBACK IS I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER GUYS HAVE EVER MADE A MIRROR OUT OF METAL. IT'S NOT FUN. I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT NOW. I WAS. I HAVE BEEN COVERED HEAD TO TOE AND BRONZE DUST AND GREEN ALL OVER FROM IT BEFORE. HOW DO YOU PROTECT YOUR EYES, MAN? I WASH STATION. OKAY. YOU BETTER HAVE ONE. WHAT MY LAST. MY LAST POINT IN QUESTION IS THE ONLY THING THAT I HAD CONCERNING IS I KNOW THESE ARE LOOSELY BASED, RIGHT? THESE DESIGNS. THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT WHEN IT WAS, BUT SORRY. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. THAT'S THE PART WHERE I'D LIKE. SPECIFICALLY WITH LOVE. SOME INPUT ON LIKE. SOME THOUGHTS. [01:00:02] THAT'S YEAH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, PART OF THE REASON I DID. THIS MOSTLY ON THE BACK IS ESPECIALLY WHERE IN YOUR IN THE VIEWING ANGLE. YOU'RE BASICALLY YOU KNOW? LOOK AT HIM. ROTATION, AGREES. LOOKING AT IT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME LIKE THE FRONT OF THE PIECES A LITTLE BIT MORE BUSY. YEAH. SO I FIGURED, KEEP IT ON A QUIET AREA. PUT IT ON THE FUNCTIONAL SIDE OF IT. SO YOU KIND OF GET THE VIEW OF YOU. YOU HAVE THIS OTHER VIEW. UM, I WAS THINKING LET'S SEE IF I HAVE ANY IF I HAD. MY QUESTION REALLY WAS ON ON THE DESIGNS. WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO MORE IMPLEMENTING THE HISTORY OF THE CULTURE WITHIN THAT DESIGN, RATHER THAN BEING YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS IS JUST REPRESENTATION. WAIT. WAS THAT A QUESTION? NO YOU WILL. YES IT IS. ARE YOU OPEN TO MAYBE REFLECTING THE CULTURE, THE HISTORY WITHIN DESIGN, MAKING, MAYBE MAKING IT MORE PURPOSEFUL. OH, I SEE. THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE. REALLY? REALLY INTRIGUED IN THIS PIECE IN THE BACK. THAT'S KIND OF THAT. WITH ALL OF THE ANIMALS AND THE AND THE ACTUAL CATTO. SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT'S SUPER INTERESTING TO ME TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON A PIECE WOULD BE PRETTY COOL, AND NOT EVEN THAT EVEN INTEGRATES THE CIVIL SON THAT THEY HAVE, LIKE, IF YOU NOTICE THAT AMONGST THE DESIGN YEAH. UM YES. IS THE SHORT ANSWER? UM I SPECIFICALLY LIKE I DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD PICTURE IN THE SLIDESHOW. BUT UM I OKAY? I GUESS WE'LL JUST START BACK AND THEN WORK MY WAY FORWARD. UM, I DID LIKE LIKE THEIR ANIMAL ELEMENTS WERE REALLY NICE. BUT WITH THE FRONT BEING BUSY. I DIDN'T THINK IT NEEDED. COMPLETE DESIGN, BUT SOMETHING LIKE INCORPORATING A SMALLER ASSIGN DESIGN OR YOU KNOW, LIKE WE COULD EVEN BE AS CRAZY AS LIKE, MAP OUT THE LUNAR CALENDAR, OR WHATEVER. UM BUT INCLUDING SMALL LIKE THESE ARE GONNA BE HAVE A LOOK ON MY COMPUTER, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW. LARGE PANELS THAT CAN INCLUDE A SINGLE DESIGN WHERE IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT GETTING TOO BUSY, BUT IT STILL HAS A NICE ANOTHER ELEMENT OF IT. RIGHT AND I WASN'T REALLY AND JUST CLARIFICATIONS LIKE I WASN'T ASKING FOR THIS SITE BECAUSE I DEFINITELY GET WHAT YOU'RE GETTING FOR WHENEVER THE VIEWER WALKS IN. THAT'S A NICE SURPRISE TO SEE THE DESIGN UNDERNEATH. IT'S REALLY THE DESIGN UNDERNEATH IS WHERE I WAS KIND OF QUESTIONING. WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO PUTTING MORE MORE IN DEPTH OF HISTORY AND REPRESENTATION. I THINK THAT'S COOL. I MEAN, THAT'S THE THIS IS THE AREA WHERE I'M LIKE. THIS IS THE EXPERTS KIND OF NEED TO BE CALLED IN KIND OF THING. SURE, GREAT. THAT'S THAT'S THE BIG ONE WAS LIKE LIKE I, YOU KNOW. LOOKING AT ALL THE DESIGNS. BUT . GETTING DIRECT FEEDBACK WOULD BE GREAT. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UM JEREMY'S N EVERYONE. HELLO, HOLLY DOUGH. UM I'M TUNICA, BILOXI AND CHOCTAW. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THAT HE HAS, UH THE SPARROW DESIGNS FROM THE CATTLE CULTURE ON THIS ON HIS PIECE, WHICH IS REALLY FASCINATING. I MEAN, THAT WAS I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I MEAN, I GUESS. SPECIFICALLY LIKE THE ONE IN THE FRONT. I DON'T KNOW. IT'S JUST SOMETHING ABOUT THE SPIRAL DESIGN REALLY? LASHED ONTO ME. AGAIN LIKE ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS IS A POTTER AND HE MAKES DRAWINGS. I JUST LIKE I DON'T HAVE THE HEART TO TELL HIM LIKE A DOG. JUST TAKE THE POTTERY. IT LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER ON POTTERY. LIKE I LOVE THE GUY. AND HIS WORK IS JUST AMAZING WHEN IT'S ON A CUP, BUT IT JUST IT JUST LOSES SOMETHING WHEN IT'S ON THE WALL, AND THAT'S THAT PART OF THAT MENTALITY HAS BEEN WITH ME THE WHOLE TIME. ANYONE ELSE? OH, AND I GUESS JUST, YOU KNOW. LIKE I TALKED TO AN ENGINEER FRIEND. AND. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE GOAL IS TO BE AS DYNAMIC AS POSSIBLE, AND IT DOESN'T SCREW THE STRUCTURAL MEMBER. AND YOU KNOW IT MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE JUST ON LIKE, HEY, THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE KIND OF THING. BUT I IT SHOULD BE DOABLE. HAVING LIKE A RUDIMENTARY LIKE DISCUSSION WITH [01:05:02] ENGINEER. THAT WAS JUST A LAST MINUTE THING I'VE FORGOTTEN. THANK YOU. YES, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS. PODIUM. I LOVE YOU ADDRESSED IT. YOUR ABILITY AND THE WEATHER THAT WE HAVE HERE. IF WE HAD A STRONGEST TO WIN, WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITY THAT IT WOULD DAMAGE AND OR THE FEATHERS THAT YOU DISPLAYED HERE THAT THEY MIGHT FALL OFF OR BE DAMAGED. UH, THAT'S ONE QUESTION. I GUESS THE OTHER YOU PROBABLY KNOW THE ANSWER IS THAT THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE WEIGHT UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT IF YOU'VE CALCULATED IN THERE FOR THE CENTER OF GRAVITY , YOU'VE ADDRESSED THAT AND THAT WON'T BE AN ISSUE. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FEATHERS THAT YOU PUT IN. I WAS WONDERING AS WELL. I MEAN, IT'S GONNA I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA BE MADE OUT OF METAL. UM AND, YOU KNOW, STRONGLY ANCHORED IN BUT LIKE I DON'T HOW LIKE WE'RE TALKING TORNADO WINDS OR LIKE, WHAT'S WHAT AM I TRYING TO GENERALLY THAT WINDY HERE? BUT LAST WEEK WE HAD GUSTY WIND OF OVER 50 MILES AN HOUR. THAT'S UNUSUAL, BUT SO GENERALLY MAYBE FASTER, GENERALLY SPEAKING, AND THE GENERAL WEATHER CONDITIONS HERE IN IN THIS AREA. IT WOULD IT WOULD HOLD UP. I MEAN, YOU KNOW FOR THOSE PROPORTIONS. THAT'S ROUGHLY. 4 FT. LARGE PIECES OF METAL SO I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE IN THE WIND, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE WHY, LIKE A FLAG? DOES THAT? ANSWER THE QUESTION? I MEAN, I THINK THE WAY THE WEIGHT MIGHT HELP IT FROM I HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A BIG OLD GIANT FLAGSTONE AND FLAGS SPIN. AND WHEN IT GETS LIKE THAT, THEY'RE JUST SPINNING, SPINNING SPINNING. AND IF NOT BLOWN UP. BUT THE WEIGHT MIGHT REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF SPINNING THE EXPERIENCE. YES UM , THAT, ACTUALLY, SO THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT ROUTES, WHICH ACTUALLY JUST REMINDED. WELL I MEAN AGAIN, I'M STILL OPEN TO LIKE. IT COULD. IT COULD BE A WIND CHIME. UM, THERE'S ALSO YOU KNOW? AT LEAST RIGHT NOW AND VISION, MAKING EVERYTHING OUT OF THE SAME MATERIAL, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE THAT HARD TO DECIDE TO MAKE. LIKE THIS OUT OF COURT, 10 AND THIS OUT OF COPPER THEN THERE'S MORE COLOR AND CONTRAST ON THE PIECE. AND AS. IF. I MEAN, COPPER. IS NOT GREAT TO WELD WITH AND IT'S NOT GREAT. WOULD BE MADE OUT OF BRONZE WOULD BE THE WAY TO DO IT. BUT BRONZES UM IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE. IT'S. IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THIS PROJECT. UM SHE BRONZES. YEAH ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE MATERIALS YOU CAN BUY LIKE IT'S I BOUGHT TWO SHEETS FOR A PROJECT DURING COVID, AND IT WAS $8000. AND THAT WAS A SMALL PRICE. LET'S SEE. MHM. NOPE. UH PIECE ON THE LEFT. THAT'S AT LEAST $8000 IN MATERIAL. AND THAT'S NOT A BIG PIECE. THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER. NO. IT. AND. REALISTICALLY. THAT PIECE. THIS PIECE WOULD HAVE PROBABLY BE. IT WOULD BE A LOT OF MONEY. IT'S JUST NOT REALLY DOABLE FOR THIS PROJECT. IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I HAD THAT QUESTION WRITTEN DOWN AND I JUST I WAS LOOKING AT ALL THE OTHER STUFF AND FORGOT TO ASK. BECAUSE YEAH, WE DO GET PRETTY STRONG WINDS. AND SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU REMEMBER TO DO THAT. BUT I MEAN, EVEN IF IT'S A WOMAN, UM, UM, IF SHE THAT BIG IT'S STILL GOING TO [01:10:06] BE £30 MAYBE. AND YOU KNOW, STEEL OR THINGS LIKE COPPER. BRONZE IS GOING. BUT I, BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF IF IT BECAUSE WE KNOW WE GET WIND HERE LIKE I MEAN, WE GET WIND HERE AND SO TAKING ADVANTAGE OF KNOWING THAT AND MAKING IT AN ELEMENT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD INTERACT WITH THE ENVIRONMENT WOULD BE KIND OF COOL, SO JUST AS A FIGHT. I GUESS. IT'S DEPENDING ON. IF IT'S DESIGNED TO BE REALLY IN THE WIND. FINALLY CONCERNED LIKE , YOU KNOW, THIS WILL BE LIKE STAINLESS WIRE. BUT LIKE REALLY WHIPPING AROUND. IT'S STILL GONNA. I MEAN, IT'S. YOU WOULDN'T USE TENSION CABLING FOR THAT, OR YOU. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IT WOULD BE SET. IT WOULD BE A PIECE OF METAL MADE TO LOOK LIKE THE CABLE. OKAY? WHAT'S THE PROPOSED THICKNESS OF THAT CABLE? THAT I DON'T KNOW. JUST DEPENDS. OKAY? YEAH. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THE GAUGE DOESN'T MATTER. THIS IS PROPORTIONATE TO THE PROJECT. YEAH. IT PROBABLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT HOLDING ANY WEIGHT. IT'S NOT WEIGHT BEARING . IT'S JUST STAYING. CONCERN WOULD BE JUST SO IT DOESN'T COME ON, AND IT DOESN'T SNAP. I MEAN IT. NOT REALLY LIKE. REALISTICALLY LIKE. THE ACTUAL ANGLE OF THE LIKE YOU KNOW, WE CAN DECIDE ON THIS AS WELL. AND IF IT WAS LIKE A STRAIGHT STATIC ARROW NO WAY. THEN WE COULD, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY USE IT AS ANOTHER METHOD. TITLES IN NOT SO MUCH WHEN IT'S LIKE. THAT'S MORE. I WOULD PREFER THIS I HAVE TO WORK WITHIN ANY WITHIN REALITY. MY BACK. AS IT TURNS OUT. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IT APPENDS. IT STAYS WITH THE CITY. WE PAY THEM FOR THEIR WE PAY THEM A STIPEND FOR THEIR MARKETS. IN GENERAL IT IT'S A DEPENDS, I GUESS. THANK YOU, ERIC. [01:15:58] HMM. OH, IT WAS THAT. IT WOULD BE MY FEELING YOU WANT TO FOLLOW ALONG? THANK YOU. MAYBE NOT EVERYWHERE. YOU KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO POUNDS. I DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS. YEAH. JUST. IN THIS WAY. OKAY, WELL, UM. WELL UH, TAKE AWAY FROM THE BREAK NOW, AND OUR NEXT PRESENTER IS YOSHI, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. HELLO. MHM. OKAY, SO I'VE GOT MY SPIEL THEIR SELF I'M JUST GOING TO READ ALONG. DO YOU WANT TO STOP ME AND ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS? GREAT. SO. IT'S INTERESTING WORKING OUT AN APPROACH TO THIS PROJECT. MANY PROJECTS. YOU'RE JUST WORKING [01:20:05] OUT AESTHETIC CONSIDERATIONS. THIS PROJECT IS UNIQUE AND SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH AN ANCIENT CODDLE CULTURE. AS WELL AS A RESEARCHING MODERN CUDDLE CULTURE. BECAUSE OF THEIR HISTORY. MY APPROACH TO THIS PROJECT IS THAT OF A SPIRITUAL HEALING. THIS PROJECT NOT ONLY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CREATE AWARENESS OF CATTLE CULTURE BUT ALSO TO PROMOTE AND CELEBRATE MODERN DAY CULTURE. FOR ONE SIDE OF CREATED A SYMBOLIC FIRE AND SMOKE SCULPTURED. ENTITLED SACRED FIRE. SO THIS THIS IS THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THIS IS THE FIRE MISSES THE SMOKE. THESE ARE YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE SACRED FIRE THAT THEY HAD AND IN THE HOUSE THAT THEY DELEGATED FOR THEY'RE FIRED. THEY ALWAYS HAVE BIG LOGS. WHICH WERE POINTED TOWARDS THE CARDINAL DIRECTION. SO. THROUGH MY RESEARCH, I DISCOVERED THAT THE FIRE WAS VERY INTEGRAL TO THEIR CEREMONIAL EVERYDAY LIFE. FIRE REPRESENTS LIFE. IN THEIR CREATION STORY. THE FIRST MAN AND WOMAN BROUGHT FIRE. TOBACCO PIPE. A DRUM AND SEEDS FOR PLANTING. ALL OF THESE ITEMS APPEAR IN CEREMONIAL LIFE. WITH FIRE FEATURING PROMINENTLY. AS RECORDED BY A SPANISH EXPLORER AND EACH VILLAGES. SPECIAL HOUSE WAS CREATED FOR THE FIRE. THIS FIRE WAS TENDED TO BY THE HIGH PRIEST. IT WAS BELIEVED THAT IF THE FIRE WENT OUT, THE VILLAGE WOULD PERISH. FOR CERTAIN CEREMONIES. THE SMOKE WAS UTILIZED. IT IS IN THIS HOUSE THAT THE CHIEFTAINS AND PRIESTS WOULD MAKE IMPORTANT DECISIONS. SACRED FIRE SCULPTURE WILL BE PLACED ON A 4 FT HIGH EARTH MOUND. AND THE LOGS AT THE BASE WILL BE ORIENTED TO THE FOUR CARDINAL DIRECTIONS. SO. YOU CAN PASS. SOME IDEA OF. SO. THIS PIECE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE MADE OUT OF TEXAS LIMESTONE. THE DIMENSIONS. WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT THE BERM IT'S ON THE MOUND THAT IT'S ON, AND I THINK THE MOUNT IS IMPORTANT. SYMBOLICALLY BECAUSE THE ANCIENT CODDLES WERE MOUND BUILDERS. SO THIS THIS PIECE IS PLACED ON AMOUNT. WHICH WILL BE ABOUT 4 FT. HIGH THIS SECTION OF THE SCULPTURES 3 FT HIGH, BUT THEN THIS COLUMN IS 7 FT. HIGH. SO ALTOGETHER, IT'S ABOUT TIME. LET'S SEE. THE SECOND SET WILL BE A CUDDLE EFFIGY THAT'S SO SCULPTURED ENTITLED ANCESTORS VOICE AND. LET'S SEE THE PIECE THAT I CHOSE FOR THAT. THE CONCEPT IS THE VESSEL IS RE EMERGING FROM A DEEP SLEEP. THE VESSEL IS EMERGING FROM THE EARTH. THE LADY'S HAND THAT SHAPED THIS VESSEL TELLS US OF THE PRIDE AND POWER OF HER CULTURE. FACE ON THE EFFIGY VESSEL WILL BE ORIENTED TO THE SACRED FIRE SCULPTURE. SHE CAN QUOTE, SEE, AND THERE'S GRATEFUL THAT NEARBY THE SACRED FIRE IS STILL BURNING. THIS VESSEL COULD BE A STANDALONE SCULPTURE AS SHOWN IN THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE VESSEL COULD BE EMERGING FROM EARTH BURB. AND SO I HAVE. QUESTION. LET'S SEE. SO THIS THIS SO THE LAST PIECE WOULD WOULD BE BASICALLY A REPLICA REPLICA OF THAT, UH, EFFIGY VESSEL. AND SO I WOULD CARVE THAT OUT OF LIKE A AN 8 FT. GRANITE BOULDER. AND AGAIN [01:25:06] THE ORIENTATION OF THAT PEACE WOULD BE TOWARDS THE FIRE. SO WHILE DOING MY RESEARCH, I CAME ACROSS THE SITE ENTITLED CUDDLE MOUNT STATE HISTORIC SITE IN ALTO, TEXAS. BESIDES HAVING MOUNDS AND THE MUSEUM, THEY HAVE A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COORDINATION IN OKLAHOMA. ONCE A YEAR, THEY HAVE CUDDLE DAY. RICARDO ELDERS PERFORM DANCES AND THE ARTISTS AND CRAFTSPEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SELL THEIR WARES. I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THEIR PROGRAMS, AND SO I VISITED THE SITE. I TALKED WITH THE SITE MANAGER ANTHONY SOUTHER AND WAS CURIOUS IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IMPLEMENTING SIMILAR PROGRAMS HERE AND WILEY. OF COURSE, THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO SO. THAT'S IT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS. YOUR, UM QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE I BELIEVE IT WAS THE YEP. THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. COULD YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON THE WEAPON THERE? IS THAT SIGNIFYING AMOUNT OR I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS ONE, RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY? HAVE TO SHOW THAT THE OTHER. THE PHOTOGRAPH YOU SAW THIS ONE. OH, PARDON. OH, I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE. IT'S THIS STYLE, BUT YET COMING OUT OF A MOUND OF ITS OWN, OKAY. THAT'S THE SAME. YEAH IT'S BASICALLY IT IS THE SAME. IT'S JUST ORIENTED. DIFFERENT OKAY, I GET IT. NOW I SEE IT NOW. YEAH. YOU BETCHA. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. THANK YOU, BOTH OF THEM BEYOND MOUNDS, OR JUST THE WOULD BOTH OF THEM BEYOND MOUNDS OR JUST A FIRE. AGAIN AGAIN, IT COULD GO EITHER WAY. IT'S JUST WHATEVER THE PREFERENCES YEAH, FOR ME. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS PIECE IS DEFINITELY ON THE MOUND. BECAUSE ORIGINALLY WENT WITH THE ANCIENT CAR DOORS. WITH THE MOUNDS. YOU HAD MOUNDS THAT WERE DEDICATED. THEY WOULD BE LIKE A BURIAL MOUNDS. THE OTHER ONES THEY WOULD HAVE THERE THERE. GRASS HOUSES ON. AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE FIRE IN THAT STRUCTURE. YEAH. YEAH, I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT. I THINK ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB. UM HERE IN THE MODEL FOR THE MODEL SAKE, YOU I SAW YOU SET IT UP AND I KNOW THAT IT COMES IN PIECES. THE ONE YOU'RE PROPOSING WOULD BE ALL ONE PIECE. WELL IT WOULD BE FABRICATED AS WELL. BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW YOU HAVE STAINLESS STEEL PINS AND EPOXY. OK YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE ENGINEERED HAS TO BE PASSED BY THE ENGINEER. SO EVERYTHING WILL BE THERE IS OKAY. AND BUILD LOCAL OR DISTANCE. I WOULD DO IT IN MY STUDIO, OKAY? BUDGET. DO YOU HAVE GOING FOR BOTH SIDES? OKAY. BUT FOR ME, THIS ALLOWS ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE BOTH PIECES AS BIG AS I CAN. OKAY? AND THIS IS BASED OFF OF PROPOSALS YOU'VE GOTTEN FOR THE TEXAS LIMESTONE PARDON? SO, UM. HAVE YOU TAKEN PROPOSALS OUT THERE OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR THIS MAGNITUDE ON THE TEXAS LIMESTONE? TO BUILD THESE OUT. ACTUALLY THE PERSON THAT I GET MY TEXAS LIMESTONE FROM HE'S IN NEW MEXICO. AND SO, YOU KNOW, HE GIVES ME A QUOTE FOR UH, THIS IN A NORMALLY I USE TEXAS LIMESTONE IS CALLED HILLSBOROUGH . IN ORDER TO GET A BLOCK THIS BIG. I HAVE TO GO WITH A [01:30:02] DIFFERENT TEXAS LIMESTONE SELF. IT'S NOT QUITE THIS COLOR IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LIGHTER. OKAY? I THINK IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. YOSHI. HOW WIDE IS IT? WE KNOW HOW TALL IT IS RIGHT. LIKE THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE IS LIKE A 4 FT DIAMETER. THIS DOT DOT FIRE LOGS ARE EXTEND ABOUT 3 FT. OUT. SO THIS IS OR. YEAH. 10 FT DIAMETER WITH THE LEGS. AND THEN THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN. I WANT LIKE 2 FT. FURTHER THAN THAT. IT WOULD. THAT WOULD BE A FLAT MINUTES, THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAINS FLAT. SO CAN'T LET HIMSELF 14 FT THAT I'M GONNA SURE. YEAH, PERSON. BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE FACT THAT IT'S 4 FT. THEN AT THIS YOU KNOW? WITH WITH A FIREBASE BEING ABOUT THIS LEVEL, THEN THEN IT REALLY PUTS YOU INTO THE SCULPTURE. BUT THEN THEN, WHEN YOU LOOK UP, YOU KNOW THE SMOKE SECTION OF IT ELEVATORS. CARE I THINK THIS IS ADDING TO THE WILY CULTURE BECAUSE I CAN DEFINITELY SEE AN EVENT HAPPENING HERE. YOU KNOW, AS HE DESCRIBED THAT HAPPENS IN OKLAHOMA. WHAT WHAT IS THAT? I WAS JUST NOTING THAT YOUR IDEA OF MAYBE HAVING EVENTS SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAVE IN OKLAHOMA. I THINK THAT ADDS TO THE CULTURE AND MAYBE TO THE COMMUNITY AND YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF BRINGS THEM TOGETHER AND HAVE SOMETHING TO CELEBRATE AND REMEMBRANCE OF THE CAR DONATION, WHICH IS ULTIMATELY WHAT IS THE ASSIGNMENT IS LET'S HONOR AND RESPECT AND BRING LIGHT OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, REALM THIS AND DOMINATED FOR SUCH A LONG TIME. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I FELT THAT I WAS SURPRISED TO FIND ON MY RESEARCH. YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING DOWN IN I'LL PUT TEXAS BECAUSE. IF IT STARTED A GARDEN BASED ON THE PRIMARY TECHNIQUES OF THE KADO. THEY ACTUALLY CALLED THE GARDEN SNAKE WOUND. SNAKE WOMAN GARDEN. BECAUSE THAT THE SNAKE WOMAN IS THE ONE THAT GOT THE SEAS. SO I DON'T KNOW. I THINK I THINK IT'S JUST FASCINATING. YOU KNOW, ALL THE HISTORY THAT TIES INTO THAT AND IT JUST, I THINK MAKES A LOT OF CONNECTIONS A LOT OF DIFFERENT CONNECTIONS BECAUSE EVEN THE CARDO ARTISANS COME GET SHOWED DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES LIKE HOW DO THEY MAKE THEIR BASKETS? YOU KNOW. THERE'S JUST A LOT TO BE INVOLVED. I THINK I MEAN, IF YOU JUST TOTALLY LOOK ON THE PRACTICAL SIDE OF IT, IT'S JUST I JUST THINK IT'S GOOD COMMERCE ON FOR BOTH PARTIES. SO YEAH. SO . THE CARVINGS THAT WE SEE. UM WHAT WHAT TECHNIQUE ARE YOU GOING TO BE USING, LIKE? IS IT HANKERS? THIS HAND CARVED, IS IT BUT WHAT TOOLS ARE YOU USING? A LOT OF IT JUST HAND CARVED. BUT YOU KNOW WHEN I GET TO THE POINT WHERE I'M PUTTING IN THIS RELIEF THAT'S DONE WITH A DIAGRAM. THANK YOU, YOSHI. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. HEY, YOSHI CAN ASK YOU A QUESTION. AS AN ARTIST. OUT OF ALL THE STORIES AND YOU TOOK THAT TRIP. I'M SURE YOU LEARNED A LOT. YOU HEARD A LOT. YOU ASKED A LOT. OUT OF ALL THE STORIES YOU COULD HAVE PICKED. WHY'D YOU PICK TO REPRESENT THIS ONE? OKAY, FIRE. THE FIRE AND THE LADY EMERGING FROM THE GROUND. TO KEEP THE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IT'S IF IT WENT OUT. HMM. I THINK I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL STORY. YES, THEY DID. A BIBLE COMMUNITY. THEY'RE TRYING TO RESURRECT. AND SO IT'S THE PLANE IS SUPER. SEVERE. IS THE LIFE. RESILIENCE. YOU OKAY? THE RESILIENCY. IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YEAH. YES, DESPITE UP YES. [01:35:25] YES I'M GOING TO PUT HIM DOWN THERE WITH THE REST OF IT. AWESOME. THANK YOU. WE CAN TAKE ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK JUST SO YOU CAN GO DOWN AND VIEW THE PROPOSALS AND GET AN IDEA OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WILL HAVE WHEN WE COME BACK. OKAY WE WILL OPEN THE MEETING BACK UP. THE ARTISTS HAVE GONE BACK TO THE HOTEL. SO, UM, YOU CAN FREELY DISCUSS ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS. AND I'M GOING TO GO AROUND THE TABLE FIRST, AND JUST GET COMMENTS FROM EACH PERSON ON EACH PIECE OF ART. AND I'D LIKE TO START WITH JEREMY SINCE HE IS OUR AUTHENTIC IST. WELL UM ALITO AGAIN? THAT MEANS HELLO AND CHOCTAW. UM AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE. UM I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. I JUST WANT TO OBSERVE. FIRST OFF. I WANT OUT JUST NOTE THAT EACH OF THESE ARTISTS HAVE CLEARLY TAKEN A LOT OF TIME AND IN DETAIL. TO REALLY, UM REFLECTS SOMETHING THAT'S CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE AND ALSO ALSO CULTURALLY PROFICIENT BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE HOPING AND SEEKING TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON UM NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW THE FACT THAT THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY NATIVE DEDICATED TOWARDS NATIVE OR INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, BUT THERE ARE ALSO HOPING TO EDUCATE PEOPLE AND WHY AND PARTICULARLY THAT THE THIRD ARTIST REALLY THERE'S A STORY BEHIND THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, REALLY IMPORTANT FOR NATIVE PEOPLE TODAY TO UNDERSTAND, UH, FOR OTHERS TO UNDERSTAND THE WHY IN IN THESE CULTURES AND MY CHART TUNICA BILOXI WERE CLOSELY RELATED TO THEM. WE ARE ALSO AMOUNT BUILDING TRIBE. AND IF YOU'RE WONDERING, UM OUR TRIBES WERE NOT SORT OF THE STEREOTYPICAL UH, TERMS THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY YOU'VE GROWN UP IN SCENE WHERE A LITTLE OLDER THAN THEM? I'M ALSO BILOXI, WHICH IS SOO. WE SPEAK THE LANGUAGE, WHICH IS PRETTY CLOSE TO LAKOTA DAKOTA. BUT UM, I GOT TO SAY, UM EACH OF THESE ARTISTS I THINK HAVE DONE JUST A BRILLIANT JOB AND I HONESTLY THINK THIS IS GOING TO DO THE CITY OF WALLY JUSTICE, AND IT SETS OUT TO DO EVERYTHING WE HOPE TO DO AND SET OUT TO DO FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. SO I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF RESEARCHING OF GOING OUT AND LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS. THESE ARTIFACTS AND REALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT BEST SUITS THEIR STYLE. ALONG WITH WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT WHAT THEY DO BEST. AND PUT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF US THAT HAVE LOSE GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT TO CHOOSE BETWEEN. UM AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS ART AND WHAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE THE BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY. UM EACH ONE HAS THERE. KIND OF. PLUSES AND MINUSES. I GUESS. YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT YOU LOOK AT PATRICK PATRICK BEING ABLE TO BE HERE TO INTERACT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND ACTUALLY CARVED THIS ON SITE. I MEAN, THAT'S AMAZING. THAT'S PRETTY COOL. UM YOU KNOW THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THIS HUGE PIECE OF METAL. THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW. REALLY LARGE PIECE THAT HAS ELEMENTS OF MOTION IN IT THAT LOOKS IT LOOKS REALLY COOL. I THINK, UM AND THE FACT THAT CHEVY YOSHI'S WHO WHO HAS THIS THIS FIRE ELEMENT, THIS ELEMENT THAT IS TRULY PART OF THE CATTLE TRADITION IN WHAT THEY REALLY BELIEVED IN PART OF THEIR CEREMONIAL, UM. LIFE STYLE THAT THEY HAD, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO EMBODY IN ALL OF THIS. I THINK THEY TOOK OUR NOTES THAT WE GAVE THEM AND JUST BLEW IT OUT OF THE WATER AND I HATE THAT WE HAVE TO CHOOSE. I WISH WE COULD PUT THEM ALL OUT THERE. BUT. I AGREE WITH JOE ON PATRICK'S PIECE IS A GREAT IDEA. THAT HE'S GOING TO [01:40:06] CARVE IT ON THAT HE COULD AND WOULD BE WILLING TO CARVE IT ON SITE WOULD BRING ATTENTION, INTERACTION, ENGAGEMENT AND QUESTION AND CURIOSITY, WHICH ULTIMATELY, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS BRING ATTENTION TO THE TRIBE AND GET PEOPLE CURIOUS TO KNOW. RIGHT, UM BUT THEN ALSO, WE GOT TO CONSIDER THAT'S ALSO FLEETING . UM TIME WILL GO BY. AND THEN NO LONGER DO YOU HAVE A GUY CARVING THIS OUT? SO THEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PIECE AND THEN DECIDE IS THIS PIECE SOMETHING THAT WILL DO THE TRIBE JUSTICE OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WILL BE A GOOD PR LIKE THEY SAID, FOR A MOMENT, WHICH IS GREAT ENGAGEMENT. UM BUT AS PEACE AS THE PIECES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLUS AND MINUSES TO ALL OF THIS AND LIKE JOE SAID, IT IS EXTREMELY HARD. THEY REALLY DID TAKE WHAT WE SAID LAST TIME, AND I THINK YOU GUYS WOULD AGREE THEY IMPLEMENTED A LOT OF IT. WHICH IS GOOD WHAT YOU WANT FROM ARTISTS. UM, OFTENTIMES THEY DON'T. UM SO AND THEN YOU HAVE ERIC ERIC PIECE IS DIFFERENT THAN BOTH. AND I THINK YOU KNOW , IT'S VERY OBVIOUS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT METAL WORK VERSUS LIMESTONE. UM BUT IT'S VERY MODERN AND BUT IT IT IS A TIE BETWEEN PAST AND PRESENT. UM I THINK THAT'S A NOTEWORTHY AND IF HE'S WILLING TO REALLY WORK WITH SUGGESTIONS, I THINK IT COULD BE WELL REFINED. UM, YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, YOU HAVE VERY HARD. RUNNER UPS, YOU KNOW, UM AND THEN YOU HAVE. THEN YOU HAVE YOSHI AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND SAY, YO, SHE WAS PROBABLY MY FAVORITE ONE FOR SEVERAL REASONS. HE REALLY DID GO OUT AND DO THE RESEARCH THAT WE DESIRED. AND WE CHALLENGED THEM TO DO. HE WENT OUT THERE. HE FOUND THE STORY. HE LEARNED THE CULTURE. HE ASKED THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND THEN THE ENGAGEMENT BETWEEN THESE TWO PIECES ON TWO DIFFERENT SIDES IS AMAZING TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WALK AND THEN JUST IMAGINE SEEING THESE PIECES AND THEN TO ONE DAY HAVE A CURIOSITY OR YOU FIND OUT. OH, THE FACE COMING OUT OF THE GROUND. IS ACTUALLY PAID FACING THE ORIENTATION OF THE FIRE. AND THEN FINDING OUT THE WHOLE ELEMENT OF THE WHOLE STORY. NOW IT REALLY DRAWS YOU INTO THE PEOPLE AND THEIR STORY AND THE WAY THEY BELIEVED SO. IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I THINK THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY MY FAVORITE ONE AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE TWO SIDES AND HE'S REALLY BANKING ON TWO SIDES BEING THE PROJECT. YOU CAN'T JUST CHOOSE ONE SITE AND PUT HIS WORK IN THERE. YOU KNOW? SO I THINK HE REALLY TIGHT IN HISTORY, CREATIVITY. HE REALLY NAILED THE ASSIGNMENT. I WOULD SAY HE RESPECTED THE HISTORY YOU RESPECTED THE ASSIGNMENT AND THE PEOPLE. UM. I REALLY I REALLY LIKED ALL THREE PIECES. I THINK THE METAL WORK. IS PRETTY AMAZING, AND IT'S QUITE LARGE. AND IT'S GOING TO BE AN OUTDOOR SPACE WITH A LOT OF AREA. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY DYNAMIC. I LIKED. THE IDEA OF THE FIRE. ALSO, I THOUGHT THAT PEACE WAS PRETTY AMAZING. I. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT METAL WORK IS THE SUSTAINABILITY OF IT. OR . YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT HE SAID HE WOULD WORK WITH OPTIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WITH THAT PIECE. YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET. THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. I WILL SAY WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY THAT THE ALUMINUM IS VERY SUSTAINABLE. WE HAVE PIECES OUT OF THE ANIMAL SHELTER THAT ARE ALUMINUM AND CORTON STEEL, AND THEY HAVE HELD UP VERY, VERY WELL. UM AS FAR AS THE DESIGN I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT YOU ALL WILL HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. OKAY, UM. I'LL START WITH WITH ERIC'S PIECE. I DO. I LIKE ALL THREE OF THEM. OF COURSE. ERIC'S PIECE IS THE ONE THAT IT'S GONNA BE. AN EASY DECISION FOR ME. I FEEL LIKE THE OTHER TWO OR MUCH. BETTER AND WHAT WE NEED OUT OUT THERE. UM. I LIKE I LIKE THE SCALE OF IT, ALTHOUGH WE ALREADY HAVE TWO LARGE SCALE. METAL PIECES BEHIND THE COMPLEX ON THE PRAIRIE AND WE DON'T HAVE THE STONE AND THE STONE WORK OUT THERE. UM BUT WE DO ACTUALLY IN FRONT OF BEHOLD, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I JUST TO ME. [01:45:02] I DON'T I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED ANOTHER LARGE SCALE METAL SCULPTURE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ENTWINE AND THEN WE HAVE PRAIRIE CROSSING. UM AND THAT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO ME. WHAT HE PROPOSED. UM. AND THEN ON PATRICK'S. I THINK IT'S GREAT. I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH. UM I KNOW HE HE'S BIG ON THE INTERACTIVE ELEMENT IN HIS IN HIS, UM, HIS WORK. AND . I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF POLICY THE CITY OF WILEY HAS, AS FAR AS PEOPLE. BUT LIKE BEING PRODUCING PUBLIC ART FOR MONTHS AT A TIME, AND WHAT KIND OF SUPERVISION THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE, I'M THINKING OF IT. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE MY PARKS AND REC HAT ON AND YOU KNOW SPECIAL EVENTS. AND IF WE HAVE GATHERINGS OF PEOPLE, WE HAVE TO PUT A LOT OF PLANNING AND ENERGY AND TIME BEHIND THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT. THERE THERE IS, YOU KNOW, A CONTROLLED ELEMENT AND ALSO YOU KNOW, WITH WITH HIS HIS WIFE, UM. HUSBAND AND WIFE DUO AND I, AND YOU KNOW IT JUST TO ME. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WE WOULD HAVE NEEDED TO CONTROL THAT KIND OF WHAT ARE THEY PROMOTING THIS THEMSELVES? ARE WE PROMOTING IT? LIKE HOW? HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK AND THAT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S AN ADDED UM, WORKLOAD FOR US. THAT'S IT. THAT'S BAD. I THINK IT'S A VERY NEAT IDEA. UM BUT ALSO IT'S GONNA PROVIDE A LOT OF EXTRA RESOURCES FROM CITY STAFF TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT ON. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. UM AND THEN YOSHI'S. I LOVE YOU. SHE'S I THINK IT'S GREAT. UM. IT. JUST DEFINITELY. I DEFINITELY AM GOING BETWEEN THE TWO STONE WORKS. UM BUT FOR ME, YOSHI'S IS IT'S MORE REFINED. I GUESS IT'S MORE POLISHED AND. YEAH I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IN THE WORLD I COULD ADD ANY OF THAT. WELL, I WOULD CHOOSE ERIC'S PIECE. AND I WOULD ALSO CHOOSE YEAH, SHE'S PINK. TIRED. AND LESS THOUGHTS FOR JEREMY. SINCE YOU REALLY HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT WHICH ONES YOU LIKE THE BEST. I HAVEN'T DONE THIS IN A WHILE IN OFFICE. I WAS I WAS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL FOR MY TRIP A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. UM SO MY JUST HANDS DOWN ON. I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT. UM MY HANDS DOWN FAVORITE WAS YOSHI. AND HERE'S WHY. UM. IT WASN'T JUST A STORY . FOR ME. IT WAS THE IDEA THAT HE'S THERE'S SOMETHING WE MISSED . HE'S ACTUALLY OFFERING TO BUILD A MOUND. THAT DOESN'T EXIST. THAT'S GONNA MAKE THIS CITY LIKE A STATE OR REGIONAL TOURIST ATTRACTION. UM FOR PEOPLE PEOPLE, IT'S GOING TO DRAW AN INTEREST BECAUSE OF THE STORY BEHIND IT, AND OBVIOUSLY THE FACT THAT HE DID HE DID THE RESEARCH. HE WENT IN THE COMMUNITY AND SPOKE WITH THE PEOPLE AT ALTO. WHO AND THE FOLKS THAT RUN THAT, BY THE WAY OUR CATTLE UM, I THINK THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT HIS INTENTIONS. UM SO THAT WAS HANDS DOWN. MY FAVORITE. UH SECOND WOULD BE NEWBIE. I LOVE THE WORK. I DO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY AS WELL, THOUGH, AND HEARING THAT NOW THAT THERE'S OTHER SIMILAR PIECES UM , THAT MAY RAISE IT CAN CERNER TO PROBABLY WANT TO SEE MORE FROM HIM. UM MR SULLIVAN. I ALSO APPRECIATED HIS WORK AND ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, ALTHOUGH THE AND I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I AM NOT KETO. BUT ALTHOUGH THE DESIGN ITSELF IS CATTO THE SPIRALS. THE STRUCTURE OF IT [01:50:02] APPEARS MORE ALIGNED WITH TURKEY NATION. AND THAT IS SOMETHING I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT I'M NOTICING RIGHT NOW. THOSE SCULPTURES I'VE SEEN AT CHEROKEE AND TRIBES IN THAT CHEROKEE NATION IN OKLAHOMA AND UM, TERMS IN THAT REGION, WHEREAS CATTLE IS MOUNT BUILDING, SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE. OKAY EVERYONE HAS KIND OF GIVEN THEIR COMMENTS. UM ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR WOULD YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION? SURE. I DO WANT TO COMMENT ON ON SOMETHING ON THE FLOOR ON THE PILLAR LIKE, UM, I THINK YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT ON WHETHER THAT REALLY RESEMBLES IT. BUT HE DID SAY THAT AND HE DID POINT THIS BACK TO THE CAR DONATION. IMPORTANT FOR THEM WAS THE CARDINAL DIRECTIONS. AND WHICH YOU WE CAN EASILY LOOK AT HIS WORK AND SAY, OKAY, MAN, YOU EITHER STUCK TO YOUR GUNS AND WHAT'S FAMILIAR, WHICH IS THOSE PILLARS THAT WE'VE SEEN HIM DO BEFORE IN HIS PORTFOLIO, OR HE REALIZED HEY, THERE IS MY SIGNATURE OF WHAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH. IT DOES HAVE A ROLE IN IMPLEMENTATION HERE, WHICH TO THEM WAS THE POINTING OF THE CARDINAL DIRECTIONS. HE DID MENTION, SETTING THEM IN PLACE TO WHERE THEY EACH FACE WOULD I WOULD POINT TO THAT DIRECTION. SO I THINK HE DID ADDRESS THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING STILL NOT WORTHY TO NOT SKIP OVER. BUT YEAH, AND MAYBE WE COULD GET CLARITY ON THAT. OF WHETHER THAT OR NOT THAT WAS TRADITIONAL CONTEMPORARY BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S REFLECTED. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, UM, PEN TRIBAL TODAY BEFORE DIRECTIONS. THE MEDICINE WILL IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN THOSE COLORS THAT IS SORT OF, UM, REFLECTED IN MOST TURBO NATIONS TODAY, NOT MINE, BUT OTHER TRIBAL NATIONS IN THIS REGION. SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S TRADITIONAL CATTLE OR IF THAT'S YOU KNOW THE PILLARS OR SOMETHING THAT'S MORE CONTEMPORARY. SO THAT'S A GREAT POINT. OKAY SO KEEPING THAT IN CONSIDERATION UM IS ANYONE READY TO MAKE A MOTION OR DO WE NEED TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION? BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE A LOT OF YOU WERE LEANING THE SAME WAY. OKAY? THEN WE'LL NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND. SO MOVE. TO CLARIFY BOTH OF YOSHI'S. YOU KNOW WHAT. I GUESS THERE'S CONFUSION BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT YOSHI HAS THE TWO THINGS THAT GO TOGETHER, RIGHT? AND SO PATRICK HAS THE TWO THINGS THAT GO TOGETHER. KIND OF. I MEAN, THAT'S HOW THEY DESIGNED IT. AND THEN ERIC HAS THE ONE SO WE WOULD HAVE TO SPLIT. YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE TO DECIDE TO TAKE BOTH YOSHI'S OR ONE OF YOUR ONE OF PATRICK'S OR WE TAKE ERIC'S AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER TWO, SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. SO THAT'S UM I MEAN, I MOTION TO TAKE TO USE BOTH OF YOSHI'S BECAUSE I THINK IT TELLS THE STORY LIKE YOU SAID, AND I THINK IT I SECOND THAT THIRD THAT. YEAH I SAID, I SECOND THAT BECAUSE THAT THAT IS HOLISTICALLY A STORY. UM, USING BOTH LOCATIONS. IT'S UNANIMOUS. HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THAT? THUMBS UP. THE SECOND THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE MINUTES FROM OUR INPUT MEETING WHICH ARE SHORT, BUT I JUST NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THOSE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST INPUT MEETING. OKAY SO WE'VE HAD A MOTION BY JOSEPH AND WE'VE HAD A SECOND BY LINDA ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HANDS. THANK YOU ALL SO, SO MUCH FOR BEING ON THIS COMMITTEE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.