[Historic Review Commission]
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AT THIS TIME WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THE WILY HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING FOR AUGUST 24TH. SO SIX O'CLOCK. AT THIS TIME, THE INDICATION UM ALLISON, IF YOU'LL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE, AND RENE, IF YOU'LL LEAVE US IN THE PRAYER. IT IS APPLIED. OR WOULD YOU SAYING ONE NATION GOD? INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY. HEAVENLY FATHER. WE THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
LORD WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVE YOUR GRACE AND YOUR MERCY. WE ASK THAT YOU JUST BESTOW UP ON US. THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE FOR US GOT AND ASK THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THIS MEETING BLESSING EVERYONE THAT IS REPRESENTED HERE THAT WE MAY BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU HAVE BLESSED US WITH BEFORE IT IS IN JESUS NAME, I PRAY. AMEN. AT THIS TIME IF WE HAVE ANYONE IN THE GALLERY IS THAT WHAT YOU CALL THAT? THE GALLERY? AN AUDIENCE THAT HAS ANY COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. WITH REGARD IT MOM, WHAT DID I HEAR? ALRIGHT LET THE RECORD SHOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE THAT HAS ANY COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA, ADAMS. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VAST CHAIR ADAM A. IS DENOMINATED IN MOTION. THE NOMINATION IN MOTION FOR CHAIR. I'D LOVE TO. BEFORE WE DO THAT, UM FIRST OF ALL, LIKE TO WELCOME OUR NEW MEMBER.
MR STEPHEN BURKETT. ALL RIGHT, MR STEPHEN BURKETT. UM, THANK YOU FOR WILLING TO SERVE ON OUR BOARD. WELCOME YOU HERE. AND, UM . BEFORE WE DO THE VOTE JUST BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A NEW MEMBER.
I JUST KIND OF WANT TO RUN THROUGH, UM, KIND OF WHAT OUR PURPOSE IS. AND WHY WE'RE HERE.
UM AND KIND OF WHAT THE SOME OF THE DUTIES ARE. SO WE HAVE THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. UM SO THE CHAIR JUST BASICALLY RUNS THE MEETING. WE ARE STAFF WERE JUST HERE TO PRESENT THE CASES AND THEN KIND OF LEAD YOU INTO YOUR DISCUSSION. THE VICE CHAIR WILL STEP IN WHEN THE CHAIRMAN IS NOT AVAILABLE. ALL OF OUR MEETINGS ARE RECORDED, UM AFTER MEETINGS . LILLIAN DOES THE MEETING THE MINUTES THEY'RE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET AT THE NEXT MEETING. UM SEVEN MEMBERS. YES. YES THIS IS HRC. I GET MY BOARDS MIXED UP. YES SO SEVEN MEMBERS, EITHER. THAT WORKING DOWNTOWN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT LIVE IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT OR JUST REALLY HAVE A PASSION FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO WE HAVE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE. I THINK ON THIS BOARD SINCE THE INCEPTION AND 2007 I BELIEVE UM SO THAT'S KIND OF IN A NUTSHELL. WHAT WE DO YOU OVERSEE THE. ANY PROPOSAL THAT COME BEFORE THE BOARD. TO REMODEL. BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN BEIT RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL, UM, OR NEW CONSTRUCTION DOWN THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT ADHERES. TO THE CRITERIA THAT HAS BEEN SET FORTH IN THE ORDINANCE. UM. WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES A NEW BUILDING WILL GO DOWNTOWN. UM AND WHEN I SAY DOWNTOWN, NOT JUST DOWNTOWN, BUT THE DISK, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AS A WHOLE.
AND YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN A NEW BUILDING COMES IN THERE YEAH, IT'S NOT A 19 TWENTIES BUILDING, BUT WE DO WANT TO ADHERE TO SOME OF THOSE HISTORIC STANDARDS AND THE PERIOD IN TIME BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT TO US. IT IS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY. THE CITY COUNCIL HAS MADE IT A POINT TO RECOGNIZE IT AS A DISTRICT, SO THAT IS KIND OF OUR TASK. UM TO ENFORCE THAT IS, YOU KNOW NOT TRYING TO BE BIG BROTHER, FORCING SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE BELIEVE THAT IF SOMEONE HAS PROPERTY IN DOWNTOWN, THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT PASSION FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AS WELL. AND WE APPEAR TO THOSE STANDARDS, SO I KIND OF JUST WANTED KIND OF THROW THAT OUT THERE. UM JUST SO YOU KNOW WHY WE'RE HERE AND AS STAFF LILY AND I, AND AS WELL AS THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION, WE DO APPRECIATE EACH ONE OF YOU. WE MAY NOT MEET YOU KNOW, EVERY WEEK OR EVERY MONTH, BUT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT THAT YOU DO COME OUT . UM AND TWO TO SUPPORT THE DISTRICT AND ADHERE TO THE ORDINANCE. SO I DO APPRECIATE
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THAT. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO SAY ALSO THAT I THINK THE CITIZENS OF WALLY HAS SHOWN GREATLY THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM. HISTORIC DISTRICT. GIVES US THAT HOMETOWN FIELD WITH A LOT. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THAT AND I THINK THAT PRESERVING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, BUSINESS OWNERS THAT THAT'S RIGHT. SO AT THIS TIME, WE'LL DO NOMINATION IN MOTION FOR CHAIR AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE I KNOW ME WELL , AND IF I'M GONNA NOMINATE MYSELF FOR CHAIR IS THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? THE CHAIR. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SERVE? NEED EMOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE YOU FOR CHAIR. I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR CAST YOUR VOTE. OH, YEAH.NOMINATION PASSED. AH, AT THIS TIME, ADAM B IS TO NOMINATE NOMINATION IN MOTION FOR VICE CHAIR. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE ALISON STO FOR LAST YEAR. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SERVE AS VAST YEAR? I CAN GET A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE ALISON AS VICE CHAIR.
SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR CAST YOUR VOTE.
ALRIGHT. MOTION PASSED. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ADAM A CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE APPROVAL OF JUNE 22ND 2023 MEETING MINUTES. HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT YOUR MINUTES IN THE PACKET. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YOU NEED CHANGES THAT WE NEED. OKAY? THIS TIME, I'LL TAKE EMOTION. ON THE MINUTE. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES I SECOND THAT MOTION. CAST YOUR VOTE. AND MOTION CARRIES. AT THIS TIME WE'LL GO INTO THE REGULAR AGENDA. ADAM, ONE IS TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST TO RENOVATE AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 105, WEST JEFFERSON WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT, RENEE. HMM. OF COURSE, THE MOUSE DOESN'T WANT TO WORK. THERE WE GO. YES. MADAM CHAIR. AND. THE COMMISSION, SO THIS ITEM WAS PRESENTED AT OUR TWO MONTHS AGO MEETING. I BELIEVE IT WAS AND AT THE REQUEST OF THE COMMISSION.
YOU WANTED THEM TO COME BACK WITH MORE DETAILS. UM RENDERINGS TO SEE WHAT THE EXTERIOR WOULD LOOK LIKE. UM THEY DID PROVIDE. AND I'M GONNA PASS THESE AROUND WHILE WE'RE TALKING. UM BECAUSE WHAT I DID FIND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE SAMPLES, THEN WHEN YOU SCAN THEM KIND OF DISTORTS THE COLOR, SO I JUST WANT TO PASS THESE AROUND AS WE'RE TALKING JUST TAKE A. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL. UM TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS. SO AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF RECAP. THESE ARE MAJOR RENOVATIONS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, SO THERE WILL BE NEW PAINT, REMOVING SOME DOORS, ADDING SOME WINDOWS. UM, SEE YOU. ADDING A NEW FIRE ESCAPE TO
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THE REAR. OF THE BUILDING. AND A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS, AND I DO APOLOGIZE. UH, HAD IT ALL IN MY MIND. I JUST DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN. UM SO SOME IN HISTORY FROM THE RECORDS THAT WE COULD FIND WITH COLLIN COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT. IT WAS CONSTRUCTED AROUND 1920 FOR SOME OF THE PREVIOUS OWNERS WALLY METHODIST CHURCH WHILE THE BIBLE CHURCH AND THEN THE CURRENT OWNER, UM ROBERT HEAT.COUPLE OF RE PLATZ. SO THIS IS CONNECTED. UH, LET'S SEE. WITH THE METHODIST CHURCH ATTACHED TO IT. TO THE SOUTH OF THAT SOME OPEN SPACE THEY DID. RENOVATED FEW YEARS AGO, REPLANTED INTO TWO SEPARATE LOTS THAN REPLANTED INTO ONE LOT, THEN REPLIED IT AGAIN, UM, SELLING OFF PORTIONS OF IT AND, UM I THINK THEY ADDED TO THE FRONT SIDE OF THE CHURCH ADDED A DOORWAY AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT OVER THE YEARS, SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME UH, UPGRADES TO THE PROPERTY OVER THE YEARS.
UM SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE RENT OF THE RENDERINGS. THE FIRST ONE THEY'RE PROPOSING. I DON'T HAVE THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT WE LOOKED AT. BUT THE PREVIOUS HAD THREE DIFFERENT STRIPES OF BANDS ACROSS THE TOP OF THE BUILDING. SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING HERE IS JUST A BLACK MAN. UM, YOU'LL SEE THOSE COLORS. IN IN THE PACKET THAT THAT'S BEING PASSED AROUND. SO THE PRIMARY WALL IS KIND OF OFF WHITE. COLOR. UM THIS STORM AND MR BOBBY HEATH IS ALSO HERE. SO IF I WE? WE KIND OF TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COLORS BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE COLOR SAMPLES MATCHED.
WHAT THE DISPLAY WAS. SO HE AND I KIND OF TALKED BACK AND FORTH. SO IF I SAY SOMETHING INCORRECT FEEL FREE TO COULD JUMP IN. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE HAS KIND OF LIGHTER COLOR SCHEME. UM, IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. SO WITH THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OR AGAIN FOR MR HEATH? IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM UM, HERE'S AVAILABLE AS WELL. SO THESE ARE THE DRAWINGS OF THE ELEVATIONS. INTERIOR. HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE COLORS ON THIS ON THE ONE WITH THE BLACK STRIPE AROUND THE TOP. SO I KNOW THE BLACK IS THIS TRIBE IS THE BUILDING BLUE. I SEE IT.
I EVEN SEE THE LITTLE THAT'S BRIGHTER BLUE. WHERE IS THAT DARK BLUE? SEE HERE. THE INSIDE THE ARCHES. THAT THAT'S THAT'S THE LATTER. I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT COLOR. IT'S CALLED CHIMNEY ON HERE. IT'S LISTED AS, UM LIKE A BAND. OH, DO YOU WANT TO LET THEM KNOW WHO'S ON THE PHONE. WE DID THIS THE LAST TIME TOO. THIS COLOR? YES. WHERE IS THAT COLOR? THIS COLOR, ISN'T IT? IT'S THIS IS THE BAND. THE BLACK IS THE BAND RIGHT? THE BLUE IS THE BAND DARK BLUE, THE COLOR BECAUSE MY RIGHT WHEN YOU PUT IT UP CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? ROBERT HEATH 4 TO 5, NORTH, WINDING OAKS. SO IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT THIS COLOR RIGHT HERE, JUST ON CENTER LOOKS LIKE IT'S BLACK, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY VERY DARK CHARCOAL. THIS IS ACTUALLY A BLACK RIGHT HERE. SO THIS WAS ONE WAS BLUE, DARK BLUE. THIS ■WAS THIS WAS INCLUDD JUST TO SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO BLACK. BECAUSE WHEN YOU PRINT IT ON HERE, OKAY, SO THEN I UNDERSTAND THAT THE BIG BAND IS CHARCOAL, RIGHT, OKAY. THE BUILDING IS WIDE. MORE LIKE AN EGGSHELL. BUT OKAY, I'LL GO WITH THAT. UM AND THEN THE ARE NOT THE INNER ARCH. BUT THE STUCCO THERE THAT SEPARATE KIND OF STRUCTURE WITH THE ROUNDED DOORWAYS. THAT'S THE LATTER BLUE. THIS ONE. OKAY SO THAT'S THAT RIGHT? AND THEN WHAT'S THE OWNERS? YEAH. WOULD BE THIS
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RIGHT? I LOVE THE STRIPE COLOR CHANCE CHANCE, WOULD YOU WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. GO AHEAD. CAN SEE. 2925 SOUTH WOODSTOCK STREET . ARLINGTON VIRGINIA 22206. AND UM YEAH, I WAS JUST EXPLAINING THAT THE UNDERSIDE OF THOSE ARCHES THE IDEA WAS TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR THERE. TO ANNOUNCE HE ATE THAT THIS IS A SORT OF ENTRY SEQUENCE. BUT THE COLOR IS MEANT TO BE SORT OF A LIGHT PASTEL AS WELL. AND THEN WE ARE ALSO COMFORTABLE IF THAT NEEDS TO BE JUST ONE MONOCHROME COLOR. WE CAN. WE CAN PAINT ALL OF THAT ENTRY SEQUENCE THE ENTIRE WALL THE SAME COLOR. WE JUST THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE FUN TO ANNUNCIATED THAT AND IT'S THE COLOR THAT I ACTUALLY GOT THAT MATCH. THE COLOR THAT WAS ON THE RENDERING IS ACTUALLY NOT. I WOULD I WOULDN'T CALL IT A PASTEL, BUT BUT THE OTHER ON THE OTHER ONE, IT IS MORE PASTEL. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DARKER BLUE. OKAY SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU MY TAKE ON IT FIRST, AND EVERYBODY ELSE I WANT TO TAKE ON IT. I LIKE THE DARK BAND AT THE TOP. I LIKE THE EGGSHELL BUILDING. I LIKE THE BLUE ON THAT. NOT REAL CRAZY ABOUT THE INNER BLUE OF THE ARCHES. BUT I GET WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF GOING FORWARD. I DON'T REALLY CARE FOR IT. BUT THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT. NO, EVERYBODY ELSE TELL US YOUR OPINION. I LIKE THE DARKER WITH THE PINK TO ME IS AND I DON'T LIKE THE PINK IT OFF. UM, THE BLUES, OKAY? BUT HAVE HAS THE BRAND ANY CONSIDERATION. I GET THE EMPHASIS ON THE INSIDE OF THE ARCH ARCHES. WELL, WHAT ABOUT DOING A DARKER BLUE THERE INSTEAD OF A BRIGHTER BLUE? DID YOU HEAR THAT? NO I COULDN'T GET. I'M SORRY. SHE'S ASKING WHAT? I'M THE ON THE ARCHES RATHER THAN THE LIGHTER BLUE.WHAT ABOUT A DARKER BLUE? MAYBE LIKE SOMETHING LIKE WHAT WE DID AT THE ON THE ORIGINALLY THE TOP OF THE BAND THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT? I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE ROUNDED MASSAGE. JUST THE ROUND THIS ROUND. GOTCHA. I DO THINK THE DARKER MIGHT LOOK BETTER THAN AGAINST THAT LADDER . WE WERE WE WERE TRYING TO BE MORE LIGHT FOR SURE. WE WERE JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT AS CLOSE TO PASTELS WE COULD, BUT, YEAH, I THINK HAVE YOUR COLOR IS ALWAYS I'M A BIG FAN OF COLOR. SO. BUT ALSO THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA AND YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE TOO RIGHT, SO, YEAH, YOU KNOW, UM, FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AND HAVE TO SEE IT EVERY DAY AND BUT YET YOU WANT INTEREST. BUT KIND OF KEEPING IT A LITTLE MORE NEUTRAL. THAT MAKES SENSE. HMM I THINK THE COLOR IS DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY ASCERTAINED FROM THE PHOTO ON THE COMPUTER. DO YOU HAVE A COLOR CARD WITH YOU FOR THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THAT ONE. THANK YOU. LET ME ASK WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT, UM. IS ANYBODY IN FAVOR OF THIS LADDER PINK ONE AT ALL? OKAY? GOOD THANK YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS NOT FEEL GOOD.
BUT I DO I DO LIKE THE SECOND ONE OR THE FIRST. I GUESS IT'S THE FIRST ONE. SO I LIKE, UM, I THINK I LIKE THE NEW RENDERING, NOT A HUGE FAN OF THE PINK. UM BECAUSE IT'S VERY NEUTRAL AND PINK. I DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT. BUT I DO LIKE THIS. FIRST ONE, I WOULD BE OKAY. WITH THE LIGHTER BLUE OR DARKER BLUE, SO I THINK IT'S. I AGREE. I PREFER THE DARKER UM RENDERING AND THEN I'M I WOULD BE OKAY WITH EITHER THE LIGHT OR THE DARKER INSIDE LARGE WAY. SO WHAT? WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE DON'T LIKE THIS SPECIFIC BLUE, BUT YOU DO LIKE THE IDEA OF A BLUE ME PERSONALLY, I COULD SEE EITHER ONE. BEING OKAY. I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PREFERENCE OVER THE TUBE, BUT I DO JUST LIKE THE DARKER RENDERING. SAME FOR ME. THE ONLY QUESTION I REALLY HAVE IS WHAT COLOR WAS IT WHEN IT WAS BUILT? IF THIS IS A HISTORICAL DISTRICT, UM IT WAS
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THE SAME COLOR AS THE MAIN PORTION OF THE BUILDING. KIND OF THE EGGSHELL, I GUESS IS WHAT IT'S OKAY. I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE IF WE'RE STAYING WITHIN A HISTORICAL TYPE OF THING, MAYBE, YOU KNOW IT'LL, IT'LL BE IN THE SAME I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT WORD IS COLOR FAMILY. I WON'T BE THE EXACT SAME SHADE THAT MAY BE USED. YEAH I WAS JUST CURIOUS MYSELF, BECAUSE IF IT'S THAT OLD THE BUILDING THEN WE KIND OF REALLY WANT TO STAY WITHIN. THAT TYPE OF SCOPE. I BELIEVE I MEAN , I DO, BUT YES, AND CHANCE. MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS ABOUT HOW THIS COLOR PALETTE WAS ACTUALLY UM GOES WITH THAT IS PERIOD CORRECT, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T NECESSARILY BUILT THAT WAY. THESE COLORS ARE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE FOR THIS TYPE OF BUILDING, OKAY, THE SORT OF PLASTER AND EARLY USE OF EMPHASIS. IN THE 19 TWENTIES THIRTIES FIFTIES. THERE WAS A MOVEMENT, ESPECIALLY IN MEXICO. OF USING SORT OF LIGHTER PASTEL COLORS. AND SO THE IDEA WAS TO SORT OF HARKENED BACK TO THAT. UM AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THE MEXICAN CULTURAL COMMUNITY CENTER IN DALLAS. AND THEY USE MUCH MORE VIVID COLORS. BUT WE ARE BASICALLY IT'S ALL SOLID SORT OF PLASTER. CONSTRUCTION. AND THE COLORS ARE EVERY SINGLE GEOMETRIC ELEMENT HAS A SPECIFIC COLOR DEDICATED TO IT, SO WE WERE TRYING TO SORT OF OUR LINE OURSELVES WITH THAT. BUT IT'S ALSO IT'S ALSO WE ARE FOR THE MOST PART. STICKING WITH THE COLOR SCHEME THAT SORT OF EXISTED ALREADY WITH THE TOP BAND HAS ONE COLOR. THE MAJOR PORTION OF THE BUILDING HAS ANOTHER COLOR ANYTHING OR JUST HOUSE, ANOTHER. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE PAINT A LITTLE BIT NICER. AND UPDATED THANK YOU. WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD BECAUSE I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. I LIKE THE DARKER COLOR SCHEME, BUT DEFINITELY THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE A DARKER BLUE ON THE ARCHES. I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE THAT CHARCOAL COLOR AND PUT IT IN THERE, SOMETHING DARKER VERSUS MORE PASTEL, RIGHT? I THINK THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDINGS A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE THE MAIN PART OF THE BUILDING LOOKS VERY MODERN. THAT'S VERY CLEAN LINES AND GEOMETRIC AND THEN YOU HAVE THE WALL PIECE THAT HAS THE ARCHES THAT LOOKS VERY SPANISH. AND SO THEY DON'T REALLY GO TOGETHER. AND I FEEL LIKE THE COLORS THAT ARE HERE. LEAN MORE TOWARDS THE SPANISH AND THE COLORS ON THE BUILDING, LEAN MORE TOWARDS THE MODERN AND SOMEHOW THEY NEED TO BE MADE COHESIVE. DID YOU HEAR THAT? NO, I DIDN'T. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T HEAR IT. HERE TURN YOUR MIC ON. YEAH, MY HUSBAND NEVER HAS TROUBLE HEARING ME. UM SO WHAT I'M SAYING. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE TWO SECTIONS OF THE STRUCTURE ARE. ALTERNATE OR DIFFERENT STYLES. YOU HAVE THE BUILDING THAT'S GEOMETRIC AND MODERN AND YOU HAVE THE WALL THAT HAS THE ARCHES THAT LEND ITSELF MORE JUST SPANISH ARCHITECTURE. SO IN THE RENDERING. I FEEL LIKE THE WALLS , COLORS ALSO LEAN TOWARD MORE OF A YOU KNOW, ADOBE KIND OF A SPANISH COLOR SCHEME WHERE THE MAIN BUILDING LENDS ITSELF TO MORE MODERN, CLEAN LINES. DARK WHITE, YOU KNOW, DARK WINDOWS. UM BUT SOMEHOW I THINK THAT IT DARKER BLUE INSIDE THOSE ARCHES WOULD MAKE IT FEEL MORE COHESIVE. OR EVEN MAYBE EVEN THE CHARCOAL. WHAT ABOUT THE CHARCOAL COLOR? AND ON THE ENDS , THAT MIGHT BE TOO HARSH.CHARCO COULD TIE THE BUILDING TOGETHER. YOU'VE GOT THE CHARCOAL AROUND THE TOP AND CHARCOAL INSIDE. IT WOULD. GO ON ONE PAGE CHARCOAL ON THE OTHER PIECE. IT WAS TIME TOGETHER MORE WHEN YOU NEED AN INTERACTIVE THINK ABOUT WHAT WOULD YOU BE GOOD WITH THAT? THE CHARCOAL THE SAME, THE SAME INSIDE THE ARCH AS AROUND THE STRAW. EXACTLY THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BRING BOTH PIECES TOGETHER. WHAT WE THINK ABOUT THAT. I THINK I THINK THAT'S A QUICK HOLD ON. IF WE CAN DO IT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD GOOD. PLACE TO THE END. I THINK YOU'RE GOOD. YES. OKAY I THINK THEY JUST SAID THEY LIKE TO CHARCOAL. SO FOR THE ARCHES. IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH CHARCOAL, THE CHARCOAL AROUND THE TOP WHERE THE 105 WEST IS THE. EGGSHELL COLOR THAT YOU HAVE FOR
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THE BUILDING THE BLUE THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE MAIN PART OF THE ARCH, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TIE THAT CHARCOAL INTO THE ROUNDED PART OF THE ARCH COLOR FROM THIS TOP. STRAP. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT. ALRIGHT, LET'S HAVE A MOTION TO DO THAT. CAN YOU PUT THAT TOGETHER? OKAY I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. THIS DARKER RENDERING WITH THE CHARCOAL BAND AT THE TOP, THE EGGSHELL PAINT ON THE MAIN PORTION OF THE BUILDING THE LIGHTER BLUE ON THAT. OTHER SQUARE PORTION WITH THE ARCHES, BUT THE ARCH COLOR. UM IT NEEDS TO BE THE CHARCOAL THAT IS THE BAND AT THE TOP OF THE OTHER PORTION OF THE BUILDING. MY SECOND NO MATTER. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. CAST YOUR VOTE. DO WE GET THAT? OKAY? ALRIGHT MOTION PASSES. YOU GOOD WITH THAT, BOB. BOBBY, YOU GOOD WITH THAT? CHARCOAL BAND EGGSHELL BUILDING BLUE FRONT WITH CHARCOAL IN THE INSIDE. WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY? AT THIS TIME WE'LL GO INTO WORK SESSION. WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS LANDMARK ORDINANCES. RENEE YES. SO UM, I WANTED TO JUST BRING YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT OUT. UM I WANT TO JUST TO BRING THIS BACK TO YOU GUYS AND JUST GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON MOVING FORWARD . WE'VE HAD SOME INTEREST IN THE FEW BUILDINGS TO GET LOCAL LANDMARKS. SO I WANT TO GET YOUR OPINION AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, IN YOUR PACKET, WE PUT A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES FROM ARLINGTON FORT WORTH. DO WE WANT JUST A MEDALLION? DO WE WANT TO JUST GIVE HIM A PIECE OF PAPER AND SAY HEY, THANK YOU. GLAD YOU HAVE THIS LANDMARK. IS IT SOMETHING THAT WILL GO ON THE BUILDING? IS IT SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO IN THE YARD? UM, JUST KIND OF GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE WHAT WE WILL HAVE TO DO IS START BUDGETING FOR THAT. UM ALSO IN YOUR PACKAGE, YOU'LL SEE SOME CITIES THEY CHARGE THE APPLICANT FOR THE MEDALLION AND I MEAN, JUST DOING SOME ROUGH NUMBERS AND TALKING WITH OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER. I MEAN, IT COULD GO FROM $95 TO $900. I MEAN, IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD. AND SOME OF THE CITIES THEY WILL CHARGE A MINIMAL FEE.THE MOST THAT I SAW. MAY HAVE BEEN 9 $95. OR MAYBE 100 BUCKS IS WHAT SOME CITIES WILL CHARGE THE APPLICANT. UM AND THAT MAYBE IN ADDITION TO THE APPLICATION FEE, WHICH. WHAT IS OURS, 100 TO 50. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM SO REALLY, JUST. YOU KNOW NOTHING REALLY FORMAL RIGHT NOW. JUST KIND OF GET YOUR THOUGHTS WILL START WORKING ON SOME BUDGETS. AND UM, YOU KNOW, BRING ALL THAT BACK TO YOU WHEN WE WANT TO FINALIZE THE DESIGN OR OR THE METHOD AND PROCESS. TO DO THAT, UM, ALSO IN THE PACKAGE WHEN WE CREATED THE LANDMARK, IF YOU RECALL, WE DID HAVE SOME CRITERIA. YOU KNOW IT. CAN'T JUST BE. OH, IT'S JUST A NICE OLD BUILDING. AND SOME OF THE ONES THAT HAVE APPROACHED US. ONCE WE GET THE INFORMATION AND START LOOKING THROUGH IT. IT'S JUST AN OLD BUILDING. NO NOTHING REALLY THAT TIES TO ANY FOUNDING FATHERS OR ANYONE THAT HAS DONE SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY SERVICE OR ANYTHING, WE WALL ISH. JUST A NICE BUILDING. SO AGAIN. JUST WANT TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS. WHAT DO YOU FEEL? HOW DO HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD? BERNICE ON THE ONES THAT ARE KIND OF JUST AN OLD BUILDING. DO THEY HAVE A REASON OTHER THAN ITS LIKE? ARE THEY HOPING THAT I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE LEGISLATION WILL PREVENT THEM FROM SOMEBODY WHO BUYS IT, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE FROM DOING SOMETHING OR SOMETHING. I'M NOT REALLY AND ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE RECEIVED. KIND OF WHAT I DID NOT EVEN BRING IT TO THE BOARD WAS BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A REASON. UM REALLY, THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT IN THE FUTURE. UM CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE? JUST JUST SO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT? YOUR RESIDENTIAL HOUSE, UM , NOT OCCUPIED. NO ONE'S LIVING THERE. IT'S NOT A BUSINESS THERE . UM, THE THOUGHT WAS, IS IT A
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PERSON? PERSON PLACE THING. ARCHITECTURE IS THERE ANY OF THOSE ELEMENTS? NOTHING AT ALL.I MEAN, IT'S A NICE HOUSE. IT'S A NICE OLD HOUSE. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT IT IS? I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT ADDRESS. IS IT IN THE DOWNTOWN? NO IT'S NOT IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT IN WILD WILEY, UM NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT WITH IT IN THE FUTURE. UM I THINK THEY WERE LEANING MORE TOWARD IT NOT BEING A RESIDENTIAL USE MORE OF A COMMERCIAL USE, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE UM, REZONING BECAUSE OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED. UM BUT JUST BECAUSE OF THE UNCERTAINTIES. AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT S STAFF. NOT ONLY DO I FEEL LIKE IT'S MY DUTY. TO CARRY OUT THE WISHES OF THIS BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL AND OUR ORDINANCES , BUT I THINK I ALSO HAVE A DUTY TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER TO TELL THEM. YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT. BE VERY CAREFUL. BEFORE YOU PUT THIS LANDMARK ON IT, BECAUSE ONCE YOU PUT THIS LANDMARK ON IT, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHY WE WENT DOWN THAT AVENUE AS OPPOSED TO JUST TAKING THE APPLICATION AND BRINGING IT TO YOU. BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT GOT ME TO THINKING. WHERE DO WE REALLY WANT TO GO? WITH THIS PROGRAM. WHERE DO WE WANT TO SEE THESE LANDMARKS? GO, AND I THINK MY FIRST QUESTION JUST ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC CASE IS WHAT RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE. DO WE KNOW. THE REAL HISTORY OR HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY LIKE YES, WHEN WAS IT BUILT AND WHO BUILT IT? SO WE KNOW BACK THAT FAR? YES THAT'S PART OF THE CRITERIA IS THAT YOU KNOW WHEN YOU SUBMIT YOUR APPLICATION THAT PROPERTY OWNER NEEDS TO OKAY WHO BUILT THE HOUSE? WHY WAS IT BUILT? WHAT WAS IT USED FOR? WHAT'S THE PERIOD OF STYLE? WHAT'S YOUR PLANS FOR THE FUTURE? AND YOU KNOW. AND THERE WAS NONE OF THAT ELEMENT WITH THIS ONE. AND I MEAN, WE CAN GO BACK THROUGH QUITE QUITE A BIT OF COLLIN COUNTY RECORDS TO FIND OUT WHEN THE HOME WAS BUILT. DIG A LITTLE DEEP, EVEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THEY CAN GET A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAN WHAT WE CAN BUT EVEN THROUGH THAT PROPERTY OWNERS AND THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THAT PROPERTY OWNER COULDN'T FIND ANY TIES TO TOO MUCH, ANYTHING, ANYTHING OR ANYBODY? OH, I WANT TO SAY WAS BUILT MAYBE EARLY FIFTIES. I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY. ACCORDING TO THE. IT IS, YES. SO ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, ANYTHING 50 YEARS OR OVER CAN BE DEEMED HISTORIC. HOWEVER WHAT IS OUR CRITERIA OTHER THAN 50 YEARS OF AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I CERTAIN ARCHITECTURE, OUR FOUNDING FATHER OR SOMEBODY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO THERE'S MORE THAN JUST A 50 YEAR CRITERIA. CRITERIA OR YOU CAN SET MORE. WHAT IS THE ARCHITECTURE? AND IT WAS VICTORIAN. BUT THE OTHER THING TOO. THAT IS, I MEAN, TECHNOLOGIES THERE. I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK ON GOOGLE EARTH AND IF YOU HAVE ANY TYPE OF ARCHITECTURES, ARCHITECTURAL SAVVY, YOU CAN LOOK AT A BUILDING AND TILL 1000 NOT NEW WINDOWS. OH THAT DOOR HAS BEEN RELOCATED, OR THAT'S A NEW ROOF. SO WHEN ALL THOSE THINGS PLAY INTO IT TO ME, THAT'S ALSO PART OF THAT CRITERIA. IT REALLY? ISN'T IT TRUE? VICTORIAN EARLY 19 HUNDREDS 19 FIFTIES. 19 FIFTIES. WOULDN'T I MEAN IT WAS COULD BE A VICTORIAN STYLE, BUT IT'S NOT TRUE. VICTORIAN, EXACTLY. EXACTLY AND YOU BROUGHT UP ANOTHER GET IT GOOD. POINT.
HISTORIC ELEMENTS OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? IT IT IS THE SHELL. IT'S 50 YEARS OLD. BUT THERE ARE NO ORIGINAL WINDOWS. THERE'S NO ORIGINAL FLOORING. THERE'S NO ORIGINAL. ANYTHING TO THE HOUSE.
YOU YOU'VE TAKEN OUT ALL THESE ELEMENTS OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE MAN DOES SPECIFICALLY WANTING A HISTORIC LANDMARK PLAQUE OR JUST SOME SORT OF RECOGNITION OF ANY COMMON THIS THAT PARTICULAR UM INSTANCE. THEY KIND OF BACKED AWAY. THEY UNDERSTAND WELL, THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CRITERIAS AND THAT THEY REALLY DIDN'T MEET IT, SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE ANYMORE, BUT I JUST KNOW MOVING FORWARD. AS WELL. THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE I'VE SEEN OTHER CITIES WHERE THEY'LL HAVE SPECIFIC HISTORIC REFERENCES HIS SPECIFIC HISTORIC LANDMARK PLAQUES, BUT THEY'LL ALSO HAVE OTHER ONES THAT WILL SIMPLY SAY SOMETHING LIKE CIRCA 1930 ATTENTION TO IT, IF THAT'S WHAT
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THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO FIT ALL THE CRITERIA. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. RIGHT? RIGHT AND MY AND MY THOUGHT WOULD WOULD. THAT WOULD BE IF THEY'RE SIMPLY WANTING SOME SORT OF RECOGNITION THAT THIS HOUSE MEETS LIKE A MINIMUM CRITERIA. WE MAYBE WE CHARGE THEM FOR THAT, WHEREAS IN COMPARISON TO SOMETHING THAT LITERALLY THAT FITS THE HISTORIC LANDMARK UM, DEFINITION. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE THAT MHM. AND MAYBE YOU CAN. I PROBABLY STILL HAVE MY COPY. BUT MAYBE YOU CAN PROVIDE THE COMMISSION WITH A COPY OF WHAT THAT ORIGINAL. CONVERSATION AND PAPERWORK. WITH LUCK LIKE THERE WAS AN APPLICATION AND EVERYTHING, YES. UM MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN I THINK IN YOUR PACKET WE HAVE YES, LET'S SEE. SO ON. THIS IS ARLINGTON. OKAY? YES. SO IN YOUR PACKET. I DON'T. I THINK WE JUST INCLUDED THE ORDINANCE THAT ADOPTED THE LANDMARKS 23. THE CRITERIA. A HISTORICAL REVIEW COMMISSION THERE. I DON'T SEE. JUST THE ORDINANCE. YES THE HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT I'M SAYING? SO IT I MEAN, IT SAYS, DESIGNATING LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARKS AS PLACES OF IMPORTANCE BRINGS ATTENTION TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND PROTECTS THE HISTORIC RESOURCES FROM INAPPROPRIATE CHANGES OF DEMOLITION. BUT I THINK IN THE ACTUAL ZONING OR THIS IS IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES DO THINK IN. HERE WE GO CRITERIA AND MARKERS . WHAT STREET? I MEAN AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 23 SECTION 58-23. OKAY? OKAY, GOOD. YES SO LIKE IDENTIFICATION WITH THE PERSON OR PERSONS WHO SIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE CULTURE AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. UM LOCATION. OF A SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC EVENT.VALUE AS AN ASPECT OF COMMUNITY SENTIMENT OR PUBLIC PRIDE. SO I THINK GOING BACK TO COMMISSIONER BURKITT COMMENTS MAYBE THERE'S. TWO SETS OF CRITERIA. YOU KNOW THE CRITERIA WHERE IT MEETS. ALL OF THESE STANDARDS GETS TO PLAY . YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT GETS MAYBE EVEN SOME TYPE OF FINANCIAL INCENTIVE OR TAX DEDUCTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT . THEN THERE'S THIS OTHER CRITERIA THAT YES, IT DID. IT'S A NICE HOUSE WE WANT. YEAH IT'S PRETTY. WE WANT TO, UH, KEEP IT INTACT. THE OWNER WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IT STAYS A VICTORIAN 1920 HOUSE. BUT YES, SOME THINGS HAVE BEEN MODIFIED. BUT YEAH, WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE IT. AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST A RECOGNITION OF SOME SORT. SO MY THOUGHT IS AS FAR AS THE PLAQUE. AND AGAIN, THAT'S A THAT'S KIND OF ANOTHER WHOLE DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT BLACK AND ALL THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION. UM JUST THINKING OUT LOUD WORK SESSION. I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THE PERSON WANTING THE PLAQUE FOR THE DESIGNATION. MAYBE THERE'S A APPLICATION FEE THAT DAY PAY, BUT THE CITY PROVIDES THE PLAY. MHM. I THINK THAT'S A TO ME. THAT'S A GOOD EVEN. SHE SAW OF RESPONSIBILITY. I DON'T THINK I DON'T. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE HOMEOWNER BE SADDLED WITH THE WHOLE THING. BECAUSE WHAT BENEFIT IS IT THEN? I MEAN, YOU'RE HAVING TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING, AND THERE'S REALLY NO BENEFIT. SO THE CITY WOULD THEN SUPPLY THE PLAQUE AGAIN.
YOU COULD HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS. DO YOU WANT TO PLAQUE ON YOUR NEXT TO YOUR DOOR? OR DO YOU WANT SOMETHING IN THE YARD AND THAT WOULD BE YOUR CHOICE. PERSON SUBMITTING THE APPLICATION WILL PAY AN APPLICATION FEE. CITY SUPPLIES THE PLAQUE, WHICHEVER CHOICE.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, HOMEOWNER. I WON'T ALWAYS WANTS TO SAY SOME TYPE OF TAX BENEFIT FROM BECAUSE THEY ARE PROMISING, THEN MOVING FORWARD. THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS KEEPS THE HISTORIC RIGHT? THE CITY WANTS RIGHT. CITY IS GOING TO BENEFIT FROM IT. HOMEOWNER BENEFIT FROM
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IT, SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT. OKAY? ANYBODY ELSE? SO. SO I AGREE. I LIKE THE IDEA OF KIND OF GIVING THEM THE OPTION. I THINK DOWNTOWN. WE SHOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER KIND OF LIKE MAIN DONE, BALLARD. UM JUST BECAUSE THERE'S LOT SIZES ARE SO SMALL, WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER JUST HAVING THOSE ON THE BUILDING JUST BECAUSE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. UM I DO AGREE WITH SANDRA THAT I THINK THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOME KIND OF GIVE AND TAKE, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY TEXT BENEFITS RIGHT NOW. UM SO IF THE CITY IS ABLE TO PROVIDE THE PLAQUE, THEN I THINK THE APPLICATION BEING SHOULD BE COVERED BY BY THE OWNER. ABSOLUTELY. SHOULDN'T WE MAKE THEM LIKE THE SAME? THEY ALWAYS THE SAME DOWN TO MURPHY, WHERE THEY HAVE THEIRS. THE ONES YOU CAN SEE. THEY ARE ALL STANDARD AT THE SAME SIZE. CONTROLLERS AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION TOO, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT IN 50 DIFFERENT KINDS. DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A YOU KNOW, A VARIETY OF PLAQUES, BUT, UM, MAYBE IT'S JUST TO EITHER ON THE HOUSE IN THE YARD, AND THEY COULD DECIDE WHICH ONE THAT THEY WANTED FOR DEPENDING ON WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. I MEAN, I CURRENTLY HAVE A CALLING COUNTY HISTORIC LANDMARK. ROUND FLAT.HANG NEXT TO MY DOOR AND IT WAS MADE BY THEY DID THAT AT A TIME WHEN THERE WAS AN ARTIST THAT MADE THOSE AND THERE'S THEY'RE NUMBERED ON THE BACK AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO IT'S A COLLIN COUNTY HISTORIC LANDMARK. IS WHAT IT SAYS. AND IT HANGS NEXT TO MY FRONT DOOR ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. BUT THAT'S THAT'S A COUNTY PLAQUE CITY PLAY. SO FOR ME, I MIGHT GO WITH A YARD SOMETHING IN MY YARD WHEN I APPLY FOR MINE. I ALREADY HAVE A COUNTY ONE ON MY HOUSE. SO THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA FOR BOTH TO SOME PEOPLE COULD HAVE ONE OR BOTH, RIGHT? OKAY WHAT OTHER I MEAN, WHAT ARE THEIR OPTIONS? ARE WE REALLY KIND OF WANTING TO LOOK AT AS FAR AS JUST PLAQUES AND THEN WE ARE. WE HAVE AN APPLICATION. WE ALREADY HAVE THE APPLICATION. UM AND I'LL GET THAT TO EVERYBODY. WE'LL JUST SHOOT AN EMAIL OUT SO YOU'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, UM, AND THAT'S BASED ON WHOM WE ADOPTED THE ORDINANCE. THAT APPLICATION FORMAT WAS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, AND WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION AND DRAFTED THAT APPLICATION. SO LET ME ASK YOU, RENEE. HOW SOON I MEAN, HOW SOON COULD THIS BE KIND OF FAST TRACKED BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A GOOD WHILE. AH, AND. I'D LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE DESIGNATIONS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE ARE PRESERVING SOME PLACES AND, WELL THINGS BEFORE WE ADOPTED THE ORDINANCE. IT WAS IN PLACE. I MEAN, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE A PLAQUE. WE HAVE THE APPLICATION WE KNOW. PROPERTY OWNER HAS COME FORWARD TO SEEK A DESIGNATION EXCEPT THIS LAST ONE. I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS FINALIZED WHEN WE ADOPTED THE ORDINANCES APPLICATION WE HAVE IS FINALIZED. WHAT'S THE APPLICATION FEE? DO WE HAVE A ONE? BECAUSE I THINK. WELL I CAN'T GO ON HERE. WHAT IF I WANTED TO DO MY PLAQUE MY APPLICATION A MONTH AGO, I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT THE FEE WAS. I'LL EMAIL YOU. YOU YOU YOU WOULD KNOW SOON AS YOU CALL LILY , AND SHE WOULD LOOK IT UP AND SHE'D BE ABLE TO JUST DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF OUR HEAD. SO HOW? SO? WE'VE GOT THE APPLICATION. WE HAVE THE FEE ALREADY SET UP ALL THAT STUFF WE KNOW IT HAS TO BE PERSON PLACE. ARCHITECTURE THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THREE CRITERIAS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND. AH AND THEN ONCE WE SUBMIT THE APPLICATION, WHAT'S THE PROCESS? WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ? WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT IN PLACE? YES. I MEAN, IT'S ALL SPELLED OUT IN THE ORDINANCE. UM, I BELIEVE ONCE THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT TO US AT LEAST 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. AND ONCE THEY SUBMITTED TO US, IT COMES TO THIS SPORT. YES IT COMES TO YOU FOR APPROVAL AND THEN FINAL APPROVAL IS BY CITY COUNCIL. UM THE APPROVAL IS BASED ON THE OWNER HAS TO SUBMIT TO US AND WE CAN GO TO AN OWNER AND SAY, HEY, DUDE, WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET YOUR HOUSE AS A LANDMARK. IF THEY SAY YES, WE START THAT PROCESS. IF THEY SAY NO, THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO FORCE RIGHT PROPERTY ON THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT SAY IF YOU AS A BOARD YOU DECIDE. HEY, THERE'S A HOUSE AT 102 JACKSON. WE WANT A LANDMARK. AND THAT OWNER SAYS NO, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. I GUESS YOU
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COULD PETITION TO COUNSEL IT WOULD TAKE A SUPERMAJORITY. COUNCIL TO APPROVE IT, BUT I DOUBT THAT WOULD HAPPEN. WE'RE NOT GOING TO FORCE THAT'S NOT GOOD PR, AND I THINK YOU CAN'T REALLY FORCE IT BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE CERTAIN. PIECES OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED. THE INTEGRITY WOULD HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED. AND THEN YOU'RE TELLING AT HOME OWNER OF WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO ALREADY, ORDINANCES FOR THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT IN A CERTAIN RESPECT ANYWAY, ESPECIALLY ANYTHING ON THE INSIDE. AND THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT FROM THE INSIDE. BUT THERE'S THE OUTSIDE THAT WE DO HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER ALREADY BECAUSE THE ORDINANCES RIGHT SO WE HAVE AN APPLICATION. WE HAVE A FEE. UM, WE HAD THAT PROCESS. SO WE NEED TO DECIDE ON A PLAQUE . WE NEED TO DECIDE ON A 11 OR TWO. OPTION PLAY. IS THAT WHAT IS THAT THE NEXT STEP BECAUSE IT BARS HAVE BEEN IN MY APPLICATION TODAY. I'M GOING TO KNOW THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO PROVE IT TOMORROW. THEN WHEN DO I GET MY PLAY? WHEN DO I KNOW WHAT I CAN CHOOSE FROM? KIND OF THING. YOU WON'T KNOW THAT.UNTIL WE DECIDE WHAT TYPE OF PLAY AND THAT WAS LIKE RIGHT NOW. SAY IF YOU WERE TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION RIGHT NOW, CONVERSATION WITH YOU WOULD BE YES, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH DESIGNATING IT AS A LANDMARK. ALL YOU'RE GONNA GET IS ON THE ZONING MAP. IT'S GOING TO SAY HRC ARE, UM H. L M. IT'S ON ON THE ZONING MAP. IT IS OFFICIAL. IT'S AN ORDINANCE, BUT AS FAR AS SOMETHING TANGIBLE THAT YOU GET , YOU WOULDN'T GET THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT PLAQUE. IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, SO THAT'S AND BECAUSE THAT AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, SO IS OUR NEXT STEP TO DECIDE ON THAT. AND IS THAT US DECIDING ON THAT? IS THE COUNCIL DECIDING ON THAT? WHAT IS NO. SO THIS IS JUST THE WORK SESSIONS? SO I'M GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK. WHAT WE'LL DO IS GO BACK, START WORKING ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE WHAT THE DESIGN WOULD LOOK LIKE WE WOULD GET WHAT THAT COST WOULD LOOK LIKE. THEN WE S STAFF WOULD BRING THAT BACK TO YOU FOR AN APPROVAL. IT WOULD BE, UM WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING. NO NOT A PUBLIC HERE.
IT WOULD JUST BE AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCE AND THEN AN AMENDMENT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE LANGUAGES SO WE PUT IT IN THERE COME BACK TO YOU FOR APPROVAL AND THEN ULTIMATELY TO COUNCIL TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE. SO AS STAFF THAT'S WORKING ON IT. WHAT DO YOU SEE A TIMELINE BEING BECAUSE, HONESTLY , IF YOU PEOPLE WANT TO DO THIS , THEY WANT TO SEE SOME PEOPLE IN THAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT. THEY WANT TO SEE SOME ACTION AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY'RE NOT. THEY DON'T WANT TO WRITE A CHECK. TO GO. MAYBE TWO YEARS FROM NOW, RIGHT? WANT TO SEE YOU? SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING? WHAT THIS IS, I WOULD SAY. BY THE END OF THE YEAR, WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE THE ORDINANCE WRITTEN AND ADOPTED. UM TO ACTUALLY HAVE A PLAN TO GET READY TO GIVE TO SOMEBODY. OH, I'D SAY IT'S A YEAR AWAY. AND THAT'S WHICH SO MANY. WELL, I MEAN, I CAN'T JUST GO WALK. AND TO A MANUFACTURER AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS MY DESIGN. I NEED FIVE OF THESE. THEY'RE GONNA SAY OKAY, WELL, YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR SOME STEEL. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR EVERYTHING. NOTHING. IS GOING TO BE QUICK. YEAH BUT DON'T WE? DON'T WE FIND THE MANUFACTURERS ALREADY MANUFACTURING HISTORICAL MARKERS . PRACTICE ALREADY MANUFACTURING SIGNAL LIGHTS, BUT IT TAKES TWO YEARS TO GET CONTROLLER IN AND ALSO JUST BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND WELL IN JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, AND IT'S GOING TO SAY WILEY ON IT. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COMPLETELY REDO KIND OF WITHIN THEIR PROGRAMS. BE ABLE TO PRINT YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, IF I WAS GUESSING I WOULD TELL YOU IT WOULD TAKE A YEAR BEFORE I WOULD TELL YOU. IT'LL TAKE TWO MONTHS. I WOULD NOT STAND HERE AND SAY LOOK, I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT KILL THE FIRST OF THE YEAR'S, TOO AND SLOW BUT . BUT TO MANY CALLS TO MANUFACTURERS, DO YOU LIKE SHOOTING OVER AN ANSWER? VERY WELL. WELL NOT EXACTLY. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT CHANGE ON THIS . GLAD TO HELP, YOU KNOW? UM SO WHAT DO WE THINK? I MEAN, ARE YOU GIVING US THESE EXAMPLES TO KIND OF GIVE US A THOUGHT OR YES. OKAY? OR IF THERE'S YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE. THAT YOU LIKE. SHOOT ME A COPY OF IT. LET ME KNOW. UM YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST KIND OF WHAT GOOGLE TOLD ME . YEAH. I WAS ACTUALLY LIKE THE THOUGHT OF A, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A ACTUAL HISTORIC, UH, A LITTLE STORY ON THE PLAQUE. OH
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THEN NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO YEARS. NO NO, NO. I APPLIED AND GOT A HISTORIC MARKER FOR A CEMETERY AND IT DIDN'T TAKE THAT LONG. LOT LONGER GUY GOT WHAT YEAR? I DON'T KNOW IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS. THAT IT WAS 3000 COVID 13 COVID? YES, IT WAS PRETTY COVID. UM. BUT I DO LIKE I LIKE THAT CONCEPT. I LIKE THIS LITTLE ONE HERE THAT SHOWS THAT LIKE IT'S IN THE YARD. ALTHOUGH THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH NOT A BIG, LONG STORY, BUT SOMETHING ALSO KEEP IN MIND. AND I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. I WAS TALKING TO OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER WHEN I SHOWED HIM THIS WE ALSO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND. THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY. THIS ISN'T LIKE THIS IS GOING OUT IN FRONT OF CITY HALL WHERE WE'RE WELCOMING PEOPLE TO COME. I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL IN PUTTING SOMETHING LONGER. SOMEONE ACTUALLY HAS TO COME REALLY CLOSE TO THE LOOK BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WHO WANTS THAT? I DON'T KNOW, BUT SO POSSIBLY MAKE THE CRITERIA THAT IF YOU WANT THE PLAQUE ON YOUR HOUSE, THEN YOU ACCEPT THIS FLAG THAT JUST SAYS SYRIA WILEY HISTORIC LANDMARK. BUT IF YOU WANT SOMETHING IN YOUR YARD THAT WILL GO AT THE SIDEWALK.BASICALLY SAYING EXACTLY, BUT WE'RE NOBODY'S REALLY IMPEDING ON YOUR PRIVACY. THEY'RE WALKING DOWN A PUBLIC SIDEWALK. THEY CAN READ THAT MUCH. SO THEN YOU HAVE YOUR APPLICATION B IS 1 54 JUST CITY WALL AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR $550 APPLICATION FEE. IF YOU WANT ALL THIS ROOM, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I'M KIND OF JOKINGLY, BUT I'M SAYING IT TO UNDERSTAND. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT COST RIGHT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYTHING SO THAT THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. IS THAT WORKS OUT THERE WASN'T WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS OUT THERE? WHAT'S THE COST OF THAT FOR THAT ONE FOR FRISCO, IT SAYS THAT IT'S $900 DOLLARS MARKER AND THAT INSTALLED AND COULD SOMEONE FALL? MIKE. I ALWAYS FORGET. I'M OLD SCHOOL. UM MAYBE WE COULD ASK THE CITY OF MURPHY WHERE THEY GOT THERE. AND GO FROM THERE BECAUSE THERE'S A VERY NICE LOOKING AND YOU'RE NOT YOU KNOW, REAL BUILT. YOU CAN SEE HIM. YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS? SO I WOULD SAY IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO CALL THEM AND ASK THEM WHERE THEY GOT THEM AND GET SOME INFORMATION AND MAYBE WE GO FORWARD AND THAT WILL BE PART OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE. YOU KNOW WHAT I WANTED TO GET TO YOU WAS JUST WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON STYLES? SO NOW THAT I KNOW THAT THAT I KNOW WHAT TO GO BACK, AND WE'LL START PRICING, SO WE BRING IT BACK TO YOU. WILL HAVE HATE.
THIS STYLE IS GOING TO COST X AND HOPEFULLY I'LL HAVE A BETTER TIMEFRAME TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT? HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO GET THEM. AND THEN, UM THAT WAY. WE'LL KNOW REALLY WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH YOUR LOOKING FOR STYLE RECOMMENDATIONS. I REALLY LIKE THE CAST ALUMINUM STYLE PERSONALLY. OKAY WHICH ONE IS THAT? IS THAT THE SILVER LETTERS? THE ONE REPRESENTED BY CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. YES, I LIKE THAT. AND IT LOOKS IT LOOKS HISTORIC MHM. OKAY THE SILVER RATHER THAN THE GOLD. UM SO IF YOU ARE, IF YOU COULD BRING US BACK SOMETHING LIKE THAT, JUST AS AN IDEA, AND THEN SOMETHING SMALL, EVEN IF IT IS JUST A FEW LINES OF HISTORY ABOUT THE HOUSE OR BUILDING. NOT ANY NOT THE NOT THE LONG STORY OR ANYTHING ELSE, UM AND. IF YOU IF YOU HAD THAT OPTION, RENE, I WOULDN'T EVEN BE OPPOSED TO, UM THIS THE HOMEOWNER IF THEY OPT FOR THAT PLAQUE, THEN THEY SHARE THE COST WITH THE CITY IN SOME WAY, OKAY? BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE YOUR PREFERENCE. THEY COULD ALWAYS CHOOSE THE CHEAPER ONE ROUND AND JUST THE HISTORIC KIND OF THING. OKAY I JUST KNOW I'M WILLING TO. I'M WILLING TO PAY FOR MINE. WHEN I GET MINE. I'M WILLING TO PAY SOMETHING INTO WITH THE CITY OF THE CITY'S WILLING TO GO, YOU KNOW, MEET ME HALFWAY SO THAT I CAN ACTUALLY TELL THE PUBLIC THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE IS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY. OKAY? OKAY SO PUTTING MY, UM MARKETING HAT ON. I CAN'T HELP IT. UM SO ORIGINALLY, OF COURSE WE'RE RAILROAD TOWN, SO I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD INCORPORATE MAYBE A TRAIN OR SOMETHING KIND OF ON THE MARKET ITSELF. UM IS KIND OF AN IDEA. UM, I ALSO WONDERED
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BECAUSE I'VE ALSO SEEN THEM WHERE THE PLAQUES HAVE BEEN IN COLOR AND SO FOR WANTING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO KIND OF STAND OUT WE COULD LOOK AT LIKE DO WE DO BLUE? DO WE CHOOSE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SO JUST KIND OF THROWING OUT SOME IDEAS AS WELL? UM AND THEN, OF COURSE , WOULD LOVE TO SEE ONCE THIS PROGRAM KIND OF GETS UP AND GOING ON THE WEB ON THE CITY WEBSITE IF WE COULD KIND OF HAVE A MAP, SO THAT WAY MAYBE PEOPLE COULD COME INTO AROUND AND EVERYTHING SO THAT'S A GREAT POINT ACTUALLY ARE PART OF MY IGNORANCE. BUT ARE THERE WALKING TOURS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE AROUND HERE IN THE CITY? POSSIBLY NOT, BUT NOT THAT THE CITY'S SPONSORS THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT I KNOW THE WILY HISTORIC SOCIETY. WILL DO A WALKING TOUR . I WANT TO SAY IT'S AN OCTOBER MAYBE LIKE A HAUNTED WALKING THE SIXTH AND THE SEVENTH. IT'S THE HAUNTED, OKAY, THANK YOU. THERE IS A THERE IS WHAT WAS NOT SURE I HAVEN'T SEEN IN A WHILE. AIDEN KIND OF A BROCHURE THAT I THINK IS IN SOME OF THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN THAT YOU CAN DO YOUR OWN WALKING TOUR OF WHERE SOME HISTORIC THINGS ARE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ACTUALLY LIKE, GET A GROUP TOGETHER OR SELL TICKETS TO GET A GROUP TOGETHER TO WALK AROUND YOU AND TELL YOU EVERYTHING WOULD BE GREAT THING TO DO, BUT I DO KNOW. I'VE SEEN THAT BROCHURE. IS IT AT THE BROWN HOUSE? SO WHERE THEY COULD BE AT THE BROWN HOUSE? UH HUH. I'M NOT IN THERE REAL OFTEN, BUT I THINK MIGHT BE THERE. THAT'S IT. WELL THANK YOU. THAT GIVES ME GREAT DIRECTION YOU NEED. ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL RECONVENE BACK INTO REGULAR SESSION. AND IT SAYS EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE'LL RECONVENE BACK INTO OPEN SESSION AND IF THERE'S NOT ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY HAS I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN SECOND. ANYONE FROM VOTING TO GO HOME.YEAH. GO AHEAD AND TRY IT NOW, PLEASE. ALRIGHT. MOTION PASSED, YOU CAN ALL GO HOME. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
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