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OKAY. TO ORDER THE WILY PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING JULY 18TH 2023. IT IS
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NOW 6 P.M. SO WE ARE START THIS THING, UM. WE HAVE THE INVOCATION DONE BY MR GAL GOOCH.AND THE PROGRAM, MISS GREISER. MURDERED BOTH THOSE NAMES. OKAY? ONLY FATHER. WE COME TO THIS EVENING, LORD THANKING YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. WE HAVE TO COME TOGETHER. TO HELP OUR CITY.
YOU KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO, AND GIVE US WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING. BLESSED THAT WE DO GUIDE US ASSETS IN JESUS' NAME. OF THE UNITED STATES. ONE NATION. INDIVIDUAL JUSTICE. FOR I'M SORRY. CHEERS. MY ELBOW. OKAY MOVING ON. WE'RE GONNA, UM THEY MAY HAVE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS? BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE COMING UP THEN. MOVE ON FROM
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THERE. UH NEXT ITEM IS ELECTION OF THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. SO I GUESS THE FIRST PERSON WE NEED TO DO IS NOMINATED CHAIR. I ENJOY DOING IT, SO I DON'T MIND TO CONTINUE TO DO IT. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN NOMINATE MYSELF OR I WAS GONNA NOMINATE JOSHUA BUTLER FOR CHAIR. AND THE SECOND NOMINATION, ALL SECOND OKAY. NOMINATION SECOND. PLEASE VOTE SORRY.OKAY? AND IT PASSES 70. SO NEXT NOMINATING, MOTION AND MOTION FOR VICE CHAIR. UM I WAS GONNA NOMINATE. KAREEN I KNOW IF YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT IT, I WOULD LIKE TO BE NOMINATED FOR MY NOMINATION. I'LL SECOND. OKAY, WE GOT NOMINATION SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. AND WE PASSED 70.
SO. OUT. SO UM, DO WE NEED TO MOVE OR ANYTHING? GOOD RIGHT NOW. OKAY? UM OKAY, SO MOVING ON
[WS1. Hold a work session to discuss the Planning and Zoning Commissions rules, procedures, and responsibilities.]
TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS WORK SESSION OF HIS ONE. HOLD A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RULES, PROCEDURES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. AND OVER JASON. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS COMMISSIONER TO COME DOWN HERE BECAUSE IT'S A LOT EASIER FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM TO FACE YOUR OWN EVERYTHING. UM SO WE DO HAVE ONE NEW MEMBER, MR JOE CHANDLER. HE COMES FROM US FROM THE HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION. SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT QUICKER THAN I NORMALLY WOULD, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TO SPELL OUT SOME OF THIS TO EVERYBODY.IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A REFRESHER. UM SO, AS YOU KNOW, ZONING, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS UM, THE THERE BY GENERAL OVERALL AUTHORITIES FOR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS HEALTHY IN WHICH YOU THINK IT IS SAFETY. WHAT YOU THINK IT IS WELFARE? WELFARE CAN DO ANYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE STREETS UM, SAVED ALL THE WAY UP TO PROPERTY VALUES IS CONSIDERED WELFARE. SO UM, WE'VE GOT A WIDE RANGE OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION WHILE WE DO OUR WORK HERE. THE THREE MAIN THINGS WE TAKE CONSIDERATION IS ONLY AUTHORITY , SUBDIVISION AUTHORITY AND LAND USE AUTHORITY. UM A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CARE ABOUT WHERE THIS ALL COMES FROM. IS SECTION 211007 OF THE TEXAS STATE OF TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE THAT ALLOWS A PNG COMMISSION TO EXIST. UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UM OR MAY NOT KNOW , UM YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF WILEY EXISTS JUST BECAUSE OF THE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND SO BASICALLY AS A HOME RULE CITY, THOUGH, WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO WHATEVER THE STATE SAYS WE CANNOT. WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING AS LONG AS THE STATE DOESN'T EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED. LET ME SAY IT THAT WAY. UM AND THAT'S PROBABLY HIDING ZONE COMMISSION WAS CREATED IN BY ORDINANCE IN THE CITY, WILEY IN 1956, AND IT'S ADDED TO THE CHARTER IN 1985, AND IT IS THE ONLY GROUP BESIDES COUNCIL THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE CHARTER. UM NO OFFENSE TO YOUR FORMER GROUP. BUT YOU KNOW , UH OH, YEAH. HRC CBO. A ALL OF
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THOSE ARE CREATIONS OF ORDINANCE PNC COMMISSION EXISTS IN THE CHARTER AND THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE THE CHARTER IS THROUGH A BOAT FROM THE PUBLIC. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT P AND G IS RESPONSIBLE FOR AND I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE INSTEAD OF JUST TALKING ABOUT HIM HERE. ZONING CHANGES WHENEVER AN APPLICANT OR PROPERTY OWNER COULD BE THE SAME ENTITY, NOT BUT NOT ALWAYS COMES IN AND ASK FOR A ZONING CHANGE. UM BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THEIR LAND THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED. P AND Z HAS RECOMMENDED CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. UM THE THAT GENERAL DECISIONS SHOULD BE FIRST AND FOREMOST RULED BY THE LAND USE PLAN, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A SECOND. THAT'S THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN THAT MOST OF YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH. UM, THIS IS LEGISLATIVE IN NATURE. THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I'VE I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT I'VE MENTIONED THIS SEVERAL TIMES WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT P AND Z WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN ON THAT PROPERTY, THE ZONING APPLICATION IS THE TIME TO ASK FOR IT.PLANNING AND SITE PLANS AS WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE, IT'S TOO LATE BY THEN. YOU KNOW, UM, IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR ITEM THAT YOU THINK WOULD HELP BENEFIT THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITY? UM WHEN AN APPLICANT COMES IN FOR A ZONING CHANGE. DON'T BE AFRAID TO ASK THEM.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THE TIME. PLATZ PLATZ ARE NOTHING MORE THAN I GOT 10. I GOT A 10 ACRE LOT, AND I WANT 10 1 ACRE LOTS THEN I HAVE TO DO A PLAT TO SUBDIVIDE THAT PROPERTY. HENCE THE THAT IS WHY IT'S GOVERNED BY THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. THIS COVERS LOT SIZES, STREET FRONTAGE, UTILITY AND ACCESS EASEMENTS AND PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING. REASON IT COVERS PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING. UM TOM CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. BUT IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 20% ENGINEERING IS WHAT PRELIMINARY USUALLY IS. THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE TO KNOW WHERE IF THEY'RE DUMPING OUT ON A TEXT DOT ROAD OR EVEN ONE OF OUR ROADS THAT HAS A MEDIAN CUT.
WELL AT THAT PLANT SHOWS THAT ACCESS GOING OUT THERE. WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT THAT, UH, CURB CUT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA OR NOT, OR ARE THE UTILITY EASEMENTS IN THE RIGHT PLACE TO HOOK UP TO EXISTING UTILITIES, OR IS THERE A PLAN TO RUN THE UTILITIES TO THAT SPOT? UM SO THERE IS SOME ACCENT. THERE IS SOME PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING THAT HAS TO BE DONE, OR AT LEAST DISCUSSED WHEN A PLAN COMES IN. UM AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME P AND Z DOES MAKE A RECOMMENDATION A COUNCIL UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW A LOT OF OTHER CITIES. P AND Z IS THE FINAL WORD ON PLATTS. UM BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER LIKE 25 YEARS AGO OR SO WILDLY, THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDED THAT THEY AT LEAST WANTED TO SEE THEM. SO THAT'S THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS HERE. UM THEY ARE GENERALLY MINISTERIAL, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS THAT AS LONG AS THEY ARE CORRECT THEN YOU HAVE TO APPROVE IT. SITE PLANS. UM, THOSE ARE GOVERNMENT BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE. UM, THAT'S THE ACTUAL PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF AFTER IT'S BEEN SUBDIVIDED THAT COVERS BULK REQUIREMENTS, WHICH BULK REQUIREMENTS ARE SIZE OF BUILDINGS WHERE THE BUILDINGS PLACE AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS AND ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ALSO REQUIRED, UM IT SHOWS THE ACT SHOWS THE ACTUAL ACCESS WITH THE ACCESS. AND THE REASON IT SHOWS THAT IN ADDITION TO THE PLATT IS JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A 30 FT. WIDE EASEMENT ON THE PLANET DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THE ACCESS IS GOING TO BE BUILT AT 30 FT. IT MAY ONLY BE 24. UM YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRE LINE WITH 26 BECAUSE THAT'S A FIRE LANE WIDTH, BUT THEY MAY STILL PLAN A 30 FT ACCESS EASEMENT, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE IN A LOT THAT'S BEHIND ANOTHER LOT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEIR SUBDIVISION REGS SAY THEY HAVE TO HAVE. THEY HAVE TO HAVE 30 FT. A FRONTAGE. SO EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CONCRETE, THE WHOLE THING WHICH THEY MAY SHOW ON THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO DO THAT ON THE PLATTE. UM AND LANDSCAPING IS COVERED UNDER THE SITE PLAN P AND Z HAS FINAL APPROVAL ON THESE THEY CAN GO TO COUNCIL IF A APPLICANT IF CAN P NZ DENIES IT. UM THEN THE APPLICANT CAN REQUEST AN APPEAL BY TWO COUNCIL. UM BUT NORMALLY BECAUSE OF THE CITY, WILEY IN THE WAY WE WORK COUNSELING PEONS, ER PRETTY MUCH IN LOCKSTEP ON A LOT OF THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO THESE SORT OF THINGS , AND SO WE DON'T SEE A LOT THAT WE HAVE HAD IT HAPPENED BEFORE. UM IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS SINCE WE HAVEN'T THANK GOODNESS. UM NO. WHICH. ONE THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT ONE. THERE IS A CERTAIN I ALWAYS FORGET ABOUT THAT ONE BECAUSE THE ONE THAT ALWAYS STICKS IN MY MIND IS A CERTAIN LARGE CONGLOMERATE WELL, LARGE COMPANY THAT STARTS WITH W . AND HAS FIVE LETTERS WITH A DASH IN THE MIDDLE OF IT THAT I DON'T LIKE. AND THEY THEY DID AN APPEAL. UM A LONG TIME AGO, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT KIND OF STICKS INTO MY HEAD. ANYWAY UM, SITE PLANS ARE MINISTERIAL. IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY ARE CORRECT UM, THEY NEED TO. THEY HAVE TO
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BE APPROVED. THAT BEING SAID THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE LEEWAY. UM, WITH SITE PLANS AS FAR AS DISAPPROVAL, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT TONIGHT. WE HAVE A SITE PLAN THIS EVENING. UM, WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING DISAPPROVAL, BUT THERE IS UM, KEVIN WHEN HE COMES UP AND TALKS ABOUT THAT SITE PLAN, THERE WAS ONE THING THAT THE APPLICANT WASN'T ABLE TO GET ON THERE. AND SO IT WILL BE AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. PNC DECIDES TO GO AHEAD WITH APPROVAL. WE HAVE 13 DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT WE CAN COVER THAT ARE GENERALLY SPELLED OUT THERE. NOT VERY THEY'RE NOT AS PACIFIC AND THAT ALLOWS A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY. UM, NO. PNG HAS USED IT RECENTLY WITH THE SAFETY UM, PUBLIC SAFETY WHEN THERE WAS A DRIVEWAY. REMEMBER WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT THE HEADLIGHTS AND ALL OF THAT OTHER STUFF, SO THERE WAS AN APPROVAL AS LONG AS THAT COULD GET MOVED, SO THERE'S CONDITIONS. SO THAT BEING SAID, LET'S SEE IF WE TALK ABOUT THIS.NO. OKAY, SOMEONE TALK ABOUT IT NOW. WHEN THERE IS A CONDITION FOR WHENEVER THERE'S AN APPROVAL OR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. I'M SORRY APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR DISAPPROVAL. WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO BY STATE LAW. UM. YEAH, SPECIFICALLY SAY WHICH PART OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE USING IN ORDER TO EITHER APPROVAL CONDITIONS OR DISAPPROVED. UM. I WOULD ASK, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THIS HERE IN A SECOND, BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR A DISAPPROVAL IF YOU CAN GET THAT TO US BEFORE THE MEETING STARTS, YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT? I JUST DON'T LIKE THIS. I KNOW STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IT. BUT HERE'S SOMETHING HERE'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT GIVES US TIME TO KEVIN AND I TO DO PROPER RESEARCH AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE GOOD STANDING IN ORDER TO DO THAT. THAT CAN THAT. CHANGES ANY KIND OF POSSIBLE ISSUES GOING FORWARD. UM ORDINANCE AND REGULATION AMENDMENTS. THAT'S WHATEVER THE ZONING ORDINANCE NEEDS TO CHANGE OR THE SUBDIVISION. REGULATIONS NEED TO CHANGE THAT CAN BE INITIATED FOR A MULTITUDE OF REASONS. UM WHERE THE LAST ONE WE DID WAS A SMOKE SHOPS. UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE SMOKING ESTABLISHMENTS, WE'VE JUST GOT STAFF GOT SO MANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE. WE RAN IT BY THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER IN THE CITY MANAGER AND SAID, HEY, WHAT IF WE JUST GO AHEAD AND WRITE THIS STUFF AND SEND IT UP THE CHAIN AND SEE WHAT EVERYBODY SAYS? AND WE DID OUR RESEARCH. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? EVERYBODY YOU KNOW, WE WENT AHEAD AND MADE THOSE CHANGES. UM WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO THAT. AS I MENTIONED. WE'VE GOT 2ND 0.172 AND 74. I THINK ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO YOU, UM AT LEAST FOR A WORKSHOP. UM I'LL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TELL YOU THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA WE'RE NOT GOING TO ASK P AND Z TO, UM APPROVE ANY OF OUR RECOMMEND ANY OF THOSE CHANGES ANYTIME SOON BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF UNICODE, OUR ZONING ORDINANCES.
A PDF IF YOU EVER LOOKED AT IT ONLINE. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE THAT INTO MUNICH CODE. WHICH MEANS IT'S COMPLETELY SEARCHABLE . YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO HAVE EACH INDIVIDUAL LINE. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT IT TAKES MUNICH CODE. SEVERAL MONTHS TO DO THAT ENTIRE PROCESS. AND WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES ACTUAL CHANGES IN THE OZONE UNLESS IT'S AN EMERGENCY KIND OF SITUATION UNTIL THAT PROCESS IS COMPLETE. THAT BEING SAID KEVIN'S BEEN DILIGENTLY WORKING ON YOU KNOW, 7.17, 0.2 AND 7.4. AND WE'LL HAVE THAT WORK SESSION. ONCE WE HAVE THAT WORK SESSION, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PIECE. WE'RE PROBABLY JUST GONNA PILE ALL THESE UP AND THEN WE'LL MAKE ALL THOSE CHANGES. ONCE YOU KNOW IT'S IN UNICODE. SO THAT WAY WE TOLD YOU WE WERE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF THESE CHANGES COMING FORWARD. WE HAD SOMETHING COME OUT. WE'RE STILL GOING TO DO THE WORK SESSIONS WERE JUST NOT GOING TO ASK FOR THE ACTUAL VOTE ON THE CHANGES. UM UNTIL THIS WHOLE PROCESS HAS TAKEN CARE OF OKAY, SO, UM, THOSE ORDINANCE AND REGULATION AMENDMENTS ARE LEGISLATIVE IN NATURE. UM AS LONG AS WE CAN TIE IT BACK TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS, AND IT'S NOT AGAINST TEXAS STATE LAW OR, AS I LIKE TO SAY, IMMORAL AND ETHICAL OR LEGAL. THEN WE WILL PROCESS THOSE PNG MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL CITY COUNCIL MAKES THE FINAL CALL ON THOSE THE LAND USE PLAN, WHICH WAS FINISHED LAST YEAR. THAT'S THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. UM THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT YOU CAN REFERENCE IF YOU NEED SLEEPING MATERIAL. UM THAT COVERS ALL THE LAND USE DEMOGRAPHICS, THE SOCIAL GOALS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS OF THE CITY. UM IF YOU HAVEN'T GOT A COPY OF THAT YET, UM, MR CHANDLER, ESPECIALLY. I CAN GET YOU ONE. I HAVEN'T ACTUAL COPIES IN MY OFFICE STILL OR IT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE. UM THAT'S CREATED THROUGH THE SPECIALLY APPOINTED COMMISSION WITH STAFF AND CITIZEN INPUT. WE HAD TWO COMMISSIONERS THAT WAS SERVED ON THAT THE CPAC COMMITTEE LAST YEAR. ACTUALLY STARTED TWO YEARS. NOW I'M BLESSED AND THAT'S REVIEWED BY PNC WITH A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL VOTE THAT'S ALSO LEGISLATIVE IN NATURE. IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT'S NOT ILLEGAL, ILL MORAL OR ELECTRICAL, WE CAN DO ALMOST ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO IN THAT TO MAKE THE CITIZENS OF WILEY AND THE CITY THE BEST PLACE THAT CAN POSSIBLY BE UM, WE HAVE THE RULES AND PROCEDURES Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE. I THINK I SENT A COPY OF THAT IN THE EMAIL WITH THIS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT? LET ME KNOW. THIS IS THE GENERAL MEETING FORMAT. I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER ALL THIS
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BECAUSE MR CHANDLER IS ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH THIS THROUGH HRC. IT'S JUST A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT OPINIONS, BUT IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH. AND THEN HERE'S THE ITEM FORMAT AGAIN. WHICH MIRRORS HRC. SO ANY QUESTIONS? GIVE ME A HOLLER. ONE THING THAT IS NEW THIS YEAR. UM AND, UH, MISS BAKER ADDED THIS IN TO OUR PRESENTATION. TEXTING DURING THE MEETING. DON'T LOOK LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR PHONE DURING, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING GOING ON. IT GIVES THE, UH YOU KNOW, IF ESPECIALLY IF SOMETHING'S DENIED THAT WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT, COULD BECOME A MATTER MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD. UM SO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE DOING YOUR UTMOST TO, UM YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SCREENS, THAT'S FINE AND ALL THAT. BUT KEEP YOUR PHONE DOWN IS MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ENTIRE MEETING, ESPECIALLY DURING PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND DOUBLE, ESPECIALLY DURING CONTENTIOUS PUBLIC HEARING HEARING MEETINGS. UM ALL COMMUNICATIONS SHOULD GO THROUGH EMAILS. PLEASE DO NOT IF I MAKE A MISTAKE AND DON'T BLIND COPY YOU ALL PLEASE. DO NOT REPLY. ALL THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED A QUORUM. I TRY TO BCC EVERYTHING WHENEVER I SEND IT OUT THAT WAY, YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO WHENEVER I SEND ANYTHING OUT TO EVERYBODY. BUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, I FORGET, OR IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, PRE MEETING QUESTIONS . STAFF CAN ALWAYS GIVE YOU BETTER ANSWERS IF YOU GET IF YOU REVIEW THE PACKET OVER THE WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, EMAIL ME ON SATURDAY SUNDAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THE MEETINGS ARE USUALLY ON TUESDAY. SOMETIMES I'LL LOOK THEM OVER THE WEEKEND.SOMETIMES IT'LL BE MONDAY MORNING. YOU KNOW, KEVIN AND I'LL GO OVER HIM AND WE CAN GET YOU A MUCH BETTER ANSWER, AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT AT THE MEETING THAT'S DIFFERENT. BUT IF YOU'VE GONE OVER SOMETHING, PLEASE MAKE NOTES. GIVE US A HOLLER, YOU KNOW, WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY. AND IF YOU WANTED ANSWERED AT THE MEETING WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THE THINKING THAT WENT INTO SOMETHING. UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S YOU KNOW, MAYBE POSSIBLY CONTENTIOUS, A LITTLE BIT. UM ATTENDANCE IF YOU MISSED THREE MEETINGS IN A ROW WITHOUT A SOLID EXCUSE. COUNCIL CAN REMOVE YOU. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. UM CORNS AND OPEN MEETINGS. IF THREE OF YOU ARE AT WALMART WALKING AROUND THAT CAN CONSENT . THAT COULD BE A, UM, OPEN MEETING. SO JUST BE AWARE OF THAT. BE CAREFUL OF THAT, UM, THAT INCLUDES EVEN TEXT, PHONE CALL ZOOM MEETINGS. YOU KNOW ANYTHING? UM IF THERE'S EVER THREE PNC MEMBERS OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING THAT STILL COULD BE CONSIDERED A WALKING QUORUM AND UM, THERE COULD BE CONSEQUENCES . THINGS ARE DETERMINED TO BE INCORRECT. UM OPEN RECORDS. CONSIDER EVERY EMAIL THAT YOU SEND FOR P AND Z. THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS SAY, HAVE YOUR DEDICATED EMAIL TO JUST THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, JUST A P AND Z. UM AND UM . SORRY AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU TALKED TO STAFF WITH ABOUT THAT IS CONSIDERED THAT CAN BE OPEN RECORDS. UM, SO JUST BE AWARE OF THAT CONFLICT OF INTEREST. UM IF YOU DO HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH A PARTICULAR ITEM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW OUR FORMER CHAIR. MR ROGERS HAD SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT HE HAD TO RECRUIT HIMSELF FROM MR BUTLER MAY HAVE THAT OPTION EVERY OR MAY HAVE THAT PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROBLEM ISSUE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, BUT IF ANYBODY ELSE DOES HERE'S THE THING. DON'T EMAIL ME AND SAY, DO I HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST HERE? PER OUR CITY ATTORNEY. IT IS UP TO THE COMMISSIONER TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR NOT. OKAY, IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT. STAFF IS BEEN TOLD TO STAY OUT OF IT, SO I'M JUST GONNA LEAVE IT AT THAT. I'M GOING TO SAY YOU KNOW WHAT THAT'S FOR YOU TO DECIDE. OKAY? UM PNC TRAINING. UM THERE IS ONLINE TRAINING THAT I HAVE, UH, THEY UM ARE ONE OF OUR HR FOLKS HAVE SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY? UM YOU KNOW, GET THOSE DONE AS YOU CAN. AND THEN WHEN THERE IS IN PERSON TRAINING OR SOMETHING THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE NEO GOV SYSTEM. UM I WILL SEND THAT OUT AS OPPORTUNITIES ARISE. UM I DID MANAGE TO GET OUR TRAINING BUDGET UP A LITTLE BIT ARE TRAVELING TRAINING BUDGET, SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO SEND ANYBODY TO AUSTRALIA FOR ANY KIND OF TRAINING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS, BUT YOU KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS, THAT'S TRAINING RELATED. I KNOW THAT YOU I L. THE URBAN LEAGUE INSTITUTE. UM AND THAT'S THE OTHER ONE. KEVIN. CN YOU HAD TO DO WAS LOOK AT, UM THAT'S THE CONGRESS OF NEW URBANISM. UM THEY HAVE STUFF ALL THE TIME.
AND IF SOMETHING INTERESTS YOU, YOU KNOW, I DON'T GO TO TOO MANY OF THOSE ANYMORE BECAUSE MY ROLE HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT. PLANNING IS JUST A PART OF WHAT I DO. UM SO I DON'T SEE ALL OF THOSE. BUT IF YOU WANT TO, BY ALL MEANS, YOU KNOW, LOOK THROUGH WHAT THEY HAVE TO OFFER IF YOU WANT TO GO, AND IT'S LIKE THERE'S A COST. TO IT. LET ME KNOW AND I'LL SEE IF THE CITY CAN PAY FOR IT OR NOT. AND THERE'S OUR CONTACT INFORMATION. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, LET'S HAVE A GOOD YEAR. THANK YOU, MR HASKINS. OKAY MOVING ON, UM CONSENT AGENDA.
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BECAUSE JUST THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 20TH MEETING, UM UNLESS SOMEBODY. WANTS TO DISCUSS THAT DON'T NEED TO PULL IT OFF THERE TO DISCUSS IF NOT ENTERTAIN THE MOTION MOVIE EXCEPT THE CONGENITAL CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED GOT EMOTION. SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. AND WE PASSED 70.[1. Consider, and act upon, a Site Plan for Lot 1 & 2 Block A of Estacado Addition for the development of a fueling station with a convenience store on .806 acres and a car wash on .920 acres. Property generally located at 1001 South State Highway 78.]
MOVING ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM ONE. CONSIDER AN ACT UPON A SITE PLAN FOR LOT ONE INTO BLOCK A OF ESTACADO EDITION FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A FUELING STATION WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE. ON 0.806 ACRES AND A CAR WASHING 0.920 ACRES PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED AT 1001 SOUTH STATE HIGHWAY, 78. OKAY HERE WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN FOR A CAR WASH WITH CONVENIENCE STORE AND FUELING STATION. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WE RECENTLY APPROVED IN ME . UM IT LOOKS REALLY SIMILAR TO THE ZONE IAN EXHIBIT BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY MUCH MATCHES IT. AH THEY ARE PROVIDING 10 PARKING SPACES FOR THE FUELING STATION AND 20 SPACES FOR THE CAR WASH.IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE DESIGN STANDARDS. THE ONE THING THAT JASON WAS MENTIONING THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING FOR PINZI TO DO A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL. AND THAT'S FOR WAR WOODEN FENCE THAT'S GOING TO BE INSTALLED IT ON MY MOUSE. IT'S GOING TO BE ADJACENT TO THE MOBILE HOME PARK , AND THAT'S JUST BEEN ADDED FOR ADDITIONAL SCREENING PURPOSES. UM I'M GONNA CITE THE CRITERIA FOR THE SITE DESIGNS FOR THE THAT'S IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT, UM, GIVES US THE RIGHT TO ENFORCE THIS. UM I HAVE IT ON A STICKY NOTE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MENTION IT WITH THE MOTION, SO IT'S ACTUALLY SECTION 8.1 POINT . C 0.5 POINT C. 0.10. YEAH, WE'LL NEED TO STICK, YOU KNOW.
YEAH. BUT WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. KEVIN WHAT DID THEY WIND UP DOING TO SCREEN? THE EXIT? OF THE CAR WASH. SO IS IT A PHYSICAL BARRIER? IS IT A BUSH? IT'S ACTUALLY THAT'S WHAT THIS IS RIGHT HERE. I'LL SHOW IT. IT'S ACTUALLY THE LIVING SCREEN.
THAT'S 8 FT. IN HEIGHT. SO IT'S A BUSH. RIGHT? YEAH. SEVERAL BUSHES. THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION AT COUNCIL WAS, THEY FIGURED IT WOULD LOOK BETTER THAN A WALL. AND SO, UM, THEY SAID, WELL IF THEY CAN DO A LIVING SCREEN THAT THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. I'M FINE WITH IT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT MADE IT ON THE PRINT. YES, SIR. AND SO THAT WALL THAT IT'S NOT ON THIS PLAN.
IT'S GONNA BE A FENCE. THAT'S 8 FT. IN HEIGHT, WOODEN FENCE ALONG THERE, RIGHT, OKAY.
ANYMORE. JUST HAVE A DESCRIPTION OF THAT FENCES IN BOARD ON BOARD. UM YEAH, ONBOARD IS WHAT IT'S GONNA BE OKAY. IT'S NOT ON THE PLAN. AND SO IF THE MOTION ULTIMATELY IS TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN, THEN, UM, STAFF WOULD APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, STYLE AND THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO IT.
8 FT BOARD ONBOARD FANS. OKAY, BUT WE WANT TO MENTION THAT AND THAT'S I MEAN, MIKE KENNEDY. MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT THEY DO A MASONRY CONSTRUCTION JUST BECAUSE IT'S A BETTER SOUND BARRIER THAN THE WOOD. BUT IF IT MEETS SPECS AND GUARANTEE IT NEEDS TO BE BORED ON BOARD. ONLY APPLICANTS HERE. SO AND THIS IS GONNA IT'S GONNA BOTH PNC AND COUNCIL MENTIONED IT, AND THE APPLICANT WASN'T ABLE TO GET IT ON THE SITE. PLANET TIME. SO STASH RECOMMENDATION ARE ONLY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOME SCREENING THERE. THEORETICALLY, IT COULD ALSO BE LIVING SCREEN, RIGHT? BUT WHATEVER. SO WHATEVER PNC DECIDES, IT'S FINE WITH STAFF.
UM AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT THE APPLICANT IS INTERESTED IN. IF PNG WOULD PREFER MASONRY WALL, THEN THE MASONRY WALL IT IS I'M WITH COMMISSIONER LORRAINE THAT, UM ESPECIALLY THAT THE APPLICANT HERE DO YOU MIND COMING UP AND. OH I'M SORRY . OKAY UM, I JUST I'M NOT A SOUND TECHNICIAN, BUT I'VE BEEN TO THESE PLACES BEFORE. AND TYPICALLY, THE LOUDEST PART IS THIS VACUUMS, THEY SAID. THEY DID SAY THEY WERE GOING TO BE HERE, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE
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RUNNING LATE, BUT THE OTHER MAJOR WE WAS, THEY SAID, IF THAT'S WHAT PNC REQUESTED AND WE HAVE OUR ANSWER. THEY GOT TO TAKE DOWN THE MASONRY WALL. THAT'S THAT. CURRENTLY SCREENING THE ENTIRE OF THE AREA FROM 78. THAT'S ALL HAS TO BE REMOVED. SO IF MASON WAS PROPOSED OR REQUESTED, WHAT'S THE HATE 6 FT OR EIGHT CURRENT ONES ABOUT 6 FT. THE CURRENT ONE. THAT'S THEIR SCREENING NOW. 8 FT. I'M JUST LOOKING ON GOOGLE MAPS AND THERE'S RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD WOULD BE SOME PEOPLE. STILL THE MURPHY GAS RIGHT? YES THEY'RE GOING TO BE ALL OVER THE WORLD ACROSS THE ROOFTOPS OF MURPHY GAS. AND THE OTHER. I'M SORRY, SO THEY WEREN'T GONNA PUT ANYTHING. THEY'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE THAT OPEN TO THE, UM THEY KNEW ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WAS MENTIONED IN BOTH P AND Z AND THEN COUNCIL WAS ADAMANT ABOUT IT, BUT I MEAN, ORIGINALLY, THEY WEREN'T GOING TO DO ANYTHING. IT'S ALL MOBILE HOMES. THEY'RE JUST GOING TO STARE AT THE GAS STATION. HMM SEEMS ODD TO ME. YEAH, IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY MOBILE HOMES AND APARTMENTS ARE NOT CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL FOR SCREENING REQUIREMENTS IN OUR ZONING ORGANS RIGHT NOW, THAT IS ONE AREA THAT MR MOLINA'S WORKING ON AS FAR AS THAT 7.17 0.27 0.4 AND SO I'VE GOT IT MEMORIZED NOW BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH, UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, MAYBE ADJUSTING, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN REQUIRED. UM BUT LIKE I SAID, IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED, UM ENOUGH AT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR IT, AND, UM YOU KNOW, LOOKING THROUGH THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THERE IS A SPOT ABOUT SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT. SO OTHERS. JOE MY BAD. ALRIGHT SO WE COULD MAKE THEM BUILD A MASONRY WALL BECAUSE WE MAKE THEM PUT PLANTS ON THE OTHER SIDE, SO AT LEAST LOOKS GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OVER THERE.INSTEAD OF JUST THIS BORING WALL. FROM THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS YOU GOT TO MAINTAIN IT. YEAH RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE TO BRING THE WALL BACK. SO THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO GO AROUND ON THEIR PROPERTY AND MAINTAIN WHAT'S THERE. THEY GET A LITTLE UPTIGHT WHEN YOU ASK THEM TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT AND OUR GENERAL CONCERN IS YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE ENOUGH OF AN EASEMENT TO MAINTAIN THE WALL. AND THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF ROOM THERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOSE A LITTLE BIT THERE. UM SOMEWHERE IN ORDER TO EVEN PUT THE WALL IN, BUT YOU KNOW THAT CAN FIT. UM BUT ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT. I THINK WE'RE KIND OF PUSHING IT. BASED ON THE CURRENT LAYOUT. I JUST THINK A MASONRY MASONRY WALL LEAD FOOT. IS A BETTER NOISE ABATEMENT. SOLUTION THAN A 6 FT BOARD ONBOARD FANS. FOR THAT LOCATION WITH THE NOISE ISSUES THAT THEY WILL HAVE THEIR I HAVE ONE QUESTION. WE'RE OKAY WITH THE ENTRANCE. BUT THAT KIND OF 20 MILE AN HOUR. HOOKING TURN THERE. WHAT IS THAT? SO I SEE THAT BECAUSE THEY THEY'RE PUTTING AN ENTRANCE ACROSS. MAKING AN INTERSECTION IS WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING, RIGHT? YES THEY ARE IN ORDER TO GET IN. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT YOU TURN. IT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE THEY PUT THE YES, STATION RIGHT THERE. WE'RE OKAY WITH YOU. OKAY WITH THE D ACCELERATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO ENGINEERING. ALRIGHT WITH THAT. SO THEY BECAUSE IT LOOKED KIND OF SHORT. THE BUT THE DIESEL LANE LOOKS KIND OF SHORT FOR 78. THE EXITS. FINE BECAUSE YOU'RE COMING FROM A, YOU KNOW, SLOW DROP OUT, BUT YEAH, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. WITH THE RECOMMENDED TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED TO TECH START, OKAY, WE'RE HAVING THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF HAVING THAT REVIEW BY A THIRD PARTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NUMBERS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR DOUBLE BUT THAT WILL BE REVIEWED SHORTLY. DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE PART OF THE MOTION THAT CAN FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORY OF CHANGES AS NEEDED BY ENGINEERING. THAT'S ON EVERY REPORT, SO ENGINEERING CAN MAKE MINOR CHANGES. UM TO THE TO THE SITE PLAN, EVEN WITH A P AND Z REVIEW WITHIN CERTAIN LIMITATIONS, THAT MAY JUST BE ONE OF THEM. I THINK THAT'S GOOD. BECAUSE ISN'T IT THE SPEED LIMIT THERE ABOUT 50 MILES AN HOUR? BOTH WAYS. YEAH, GOOD. IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, KEVIN, CAN, YOU KNOW? CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THAT FIRE PREFER TO STRAIGHTEN MEDIAN IN AND OUT OF THERE. ALSO, BECAUSE THAT THOSE TIGHT TURNS LIKE THAT WAS GOING TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THE QUEEN TO GET IN THERE. AND SO THOSE THERE WAS LITTLE JET OUTS THAT FORCE TRAFFIC ONE WAY DIRECTION OR THE OTHER. THE MEDIA IS GOING TO STAY, BUT THOSE MAY DISAPPEAR AS PART OF THAT MEDIAN WHEN THIS THING GETS FINALIZED. THIS MAY BE SOMETHING SIMPLE. WHY IS A PART OF THIS
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GRAY AND ANOTHER PART NOT THAT'S THE FIRE LANE. FINALLY NOT. THE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR AFRICAN IN HERE, BUT. IF NOT ALL , ENTERTAINED EMOTION. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF ON THE SAME PAGE. DO YOU HAVE THAT STICKY NOTE? KEVIN? WHOEVER YES, THAT'S IT DIDN'T STICK. OKAY, I'LL. PUT A MOTION FORWARD THEN, UM I WOULD MOTION TO APPROVE. THE SITE PLAN. UM. THAT IS PRESENTED AH! CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OF SITE PLAN. MY BAD, UM WITH. THE STIPULATION OF HAVING AN 8 FT.SOLID MASONRY. FENCE PLACED ALONG, UM THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE. THE CLEANING BAYS. AND THE SECOND PROPERTY ON THE I GUESS THAT'S THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. AH, BASED ON SECTION 8.1 POINT C 0.5. POINT C 0.10 REVIEW CRITERIA, LANDSCAPING AND SCREEN PROVISIONS APPROPRIATELY DESIGNED. AND WHOEVER SECONDS IT HAS TO REPEAT ALL THAT. HOW ELSE SECOND BUT I WILL NOT REPEAT IT.
YOU'RE GOING SLOWLY AND MAKING ME THINK I'M DOING SOMETHING WRONG HERE. AH OKAY. WE GOT A MOTION TO CONDITIONALLY APPROVING A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.
SOMEBODY THAT VOTE. OKAY PAST 7 TO 0. GREAT. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? ANY THING TO TALK ABOUT? YEAH YEAH, I STRONGLY I CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE BUG PROBLEM HERE. I WILL. I WILL EMAIL FACILITIES IN THE MORNING. UM WE WILL HAVE A MEETING ON AUGUST 1ST. WE WILL HAVE A MEETING ON AUGUST 1ST. YES. AND WELCOME TO MR CHANDLER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS AND INPUT. LOOK FORWARD TO MORE OF IT, SO UM OKAY, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO WITH , UH SECOND. YEAH. THERE WE GO.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.