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          ARE WE RECORDING? MICHELLE? WE GOOD? OKAY TELL ME WHEN YOU'RE READY WHENEVER YOU START. 
          [Library Advisory Board on June 26, 2023.]
ALRIGHT WE'RE GOING TO CALL TO ORDER THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD MEETING ON JUNE 26TH AT 701. PM . JUAN IS NOT HERE. HE'S THE ONLY MEMBER THAT IS NOT HERE TODAY AND HE'S OUR CHAIR. SO THAT'S WHY I'M STARTING THE MEETING. UM SO ARE CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER AND OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO NOMINATE AND VOTE ON A VICE CHAIR FOR THE BOARD AS FUEL RAW. Y'ALL WILL RECALL THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IN OUR BYLAWS THAT WE DID NOT REALIZE WAS IN OUR BYLAWS. 
          UNTIL WE FINALLY GOT THOSE PAST ONCE WE GOT THOSE ISSUES THAT WE HAD LAST TIME FIXED. UM SO MY SUGGESTION WAS GOING TO BE IN CHOOSING A VICE CHAIR THAT SINCE WE HAVE SEVERAL OF YOU LEAVING US, UM, FOR THIS IS YOUR LAST MEETING TO HAVE ONE OF THE TWO OF OUR MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT LEAVING. JUSTIN NATASHA, PERHAPS BE NOMINATED FOR VICE CHAIR. UM AND AT THIS TIME, WE'RE READY TO ACCEPT NOMINATIONS. SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO NOMINATE SOMEONE. OR NOMINATE THEMSELVES THAT WORKS, TOO. ROZ YOU'VE GOT IT. OKAY. I NOMINATE TASHA. OKAY, WE HAVE A NOMINATION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND. THANK YOU, CARLA AND, UH, I'LL IN FAVOR. DID WE MAKE THIS A VOTING ITEM, MICHELLE? OKAY? NO WORRIES. THEY WERE IN HERE WORKING ON THIS EQUIPMENT AGAIN TODAY SO WE DIDN'T GET AS MUCH TIME TO SET UP AS WE WERE HOPING . SO YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR CHOICES HERE COMING UP ON THE SCREEN. SO WE'RE VOTING TO MAKE TASHA THE VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD. IF YOU PLEASE VOTE ENTER YOUR ROUTE. THERE YOU CAN SEE THE BOAT PASSES, 60. THANK YOU, MICHELLE FOR YOUR PATIENCE. CONGRATULATIONS TASHA. YOU CAN TAKE IT OVER FROM HERE. GIRL SAW YOU. I'M JUST GONNA SIT BACK YOU GO. WILD ON THE JOB TRAINING. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU WANT TO CALL FOR NON AGENDA? I DON'T KNOW. YES, MA'AM. YOU CAN DO IT. I BELIEVE. OKAY. WHERE ARE WE HERE? UNLESS YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO, THEN I'LL KEEP GOING. WE'RE ON COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA. 
          OKAY WE'RE ON THE COMMENTS ON THE NON AGENDA ITEMS. MICHELLE, DID WE HAVE ANYONE TURN IN? ANY ITEMS. CITIZENS ARE PRESENT AT THIS MEETING, AND WE HAVE NO PUBLIC QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          PERFECT NOW MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES FROM THE APRIL 24TH MEETING. IF EVERYONE IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE REVIEW THOSE AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR THEM NOW. OKAY THIS IS GONNA BE FUN. BECAUSE SINCE TASHA IS THAT A REGULAR CEO, SHE'LL HAVE TO TURN OFF HER MIC. THERE WE GO. AND THEN IT ALL THAT LAST TIME. UM ARE WE GOING TO VOTE ON THE MINUTES? YES SO WE'RE REVIEWING THEM RIGHT NOW THE MINUTE YES, MA'AM. THE MINUTES FOR THE APRIL 24TH MEETING UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA. THAT'S WHAT GOTCHA OH, GOTCHA. I'M SORRY. I MISSED THAT. THAT'S OKAY. 
          HMM. IF NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES. AND I'LL SECOND THAT. AND THEN MICHELLE WILL GET US SET UP FOR VOTING. 
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PERFECT THE MOTION PASSES 60. THANK YOU, MICHELLE MHM. OKAY NOW WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. REVIEW AND APPROVE THE COLLECTION DEVELOPMENT POLICY. THANK YOU, TASHA. SO OUR COLLECTION DEVELOPMENT POLICY AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS ONE HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR QUITE SOME TIME. LOTS OF BACK AND FORTH WITH THE ATTORNEY, LOTS OF BACK AND FORTH WITH THE TEXAS STATE LIBRARY ARCHIVES COMMISSION, UM, ALSO JUST PULLING OTHER LIBRARIES FROM OTHER PEOPLE'S EXPERIENCE. OTHER MM. ANY EXPERT THAT WE COULD FIND. WE WOULD ASK THEM TO LOOK IT OVER AND TELL US YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS STRONGER JUST SO THAT IT'S MORE CLEAR AND THAT THE STEPS ARE EASY TO FOLLOW. SO MOST OF THIS UM, POLICY IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN UP UNTIL THE POINT WHERE YOU GET TO WHERE IT SAYS, STATING CONCERNS ABOUT LIBRARY MATERIALS. THAT'S WHERE THINGS HAVE GOTTEN MORE PRECISE . THE LANGUAGE HAS GOTTEN MORE PRECISE. THE STEPS OF BEFORE IT WAS KIND OF VAGUE LIKE YOU COULD WRITE A LETTER AND THE LIBRARY ADVISOR ADVISORY BOARD WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. BUT THERE WAS NO TIMELINE. THERE WAS NO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHO'S GOING TO MEET? YOU KNOW THAT KIND OF THING? SO THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT OUR BYLAWS AND WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE TEXAS STATE LIBRARY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST PROCESS FOR THAT IS, AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE. SO UM, IT JUST LIKE I SAID, JUST MAKES IT MORE PRECISE AS TO EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THAT CASE, UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE STAYING ON WITH US, TASHA AND, UM, JUSTIN, WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOME TRAINING FOR THIS NEXT MONTH WHEN OUR NEW MEMBERS COME ON MORE IN DEPTH REVIEW, BUT DO ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT STANDS OUT TO YOU THAT YOU WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT. AND YOU'LL TAKE YOUR TIME REVIEWING IT. WE AREN'T IN A HURRY. ONE PAGE EIGHT. THE STATING CONCERNS ABOUT LIBRARY MATERIALS THAT SECOND PARAGRAPH A WIDELY RESIDENT TAX DOLLARS PUTS PUBLIC LIBRARY. I KNOW THAT SMITH PUBLIC LIBRARIES DOESN'T HAVE A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT TO CHECK OUT MATERIALS. AH! I WAS JUST WONDERING BECAUSE WE DO HAVE PATRONS FROM YOU KNOW THIS ACTUALLY, YOU'RE PLAYING OVER PARKER? WHEREVER UH, WAS THAT SORT OF A RECOMMENDATION TO SPECIFY THAT IT HAS TO BE A WIDELY RESIDENTS. WHAT ABOUT THOSE PATIENTS THAT LIVE SAY IN MURPHY, OR THE REASONING BEHIND THAT THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE TEXAS STATE LIBRARY IS BECAUSE PEOPLE THAT DO NOT LIVE IN WYLIE OR NOT PAYING THEIR TAX DOLLARS DO NOT GO TO THE LIBRARY. SO THEREFORE NOT THAT THEIR OPINION DOESN'T MATTER, BUT THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR THOSE RESOURCES AND MATERIALS SO THEY DON'T GET THE SAME SAY SO AS TO WHAT GOES IN THE LIBRARY. AND WHAT DOES NOT THE OTHER PROBLEM THAT THE TEXAS STATE LIBRARY WAS SEEING ACROSS THE STATE IS THAT YOU HAD GROUPS OF POLITICIZED PARTIES COMING IN WHO DID NOT REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY WHO WERE NOT LIVING IN THE AREA. JUST COMING TO CAUSE TROUBLE BASICALLY TO, UM UM, PROTEST. MATERIALS IN THE LIBRARY. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN IRVING. THEY ALSO HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THAT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE, AND SO THE TEXAS STATE LIBRARY STRONGLY SUGGESTED THAT YOU MAKE IT. THE TAXPAYERS WHO SUPPORT THE LIBRARY WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD GET TO MAKE THAT. MAKE THOSE OBJECTIONS. ANYBODY IS WELCOME TO COME AND DISCUSS THOSE MATERIALS WITH US . WE WILL GLADLY TALK TO ANYBODY . I DON'T CARE WHERE YOU YOU'RE FROM ABOUT WHY THOSE MATERIALS ARE HERE, WHETHER THEY FIT OUR COLLECTION DEVELOPMENT POLICY, ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT IN ORDER TO FOLLOW THIS FORMAL PROCESS TO, UM APPROACH THE BOARD ABOUT IT. IT HAS TO BE A CITIZEN THAT ACTUALLY SUPPORTS THE LIBRARY WITH THEIR TAX DOLLARS. I HAD A QUESTION ON PAGE SIX UNDER COLLECTION DEVELOPMENT PRIORITIES. THE FOURTH BULLET DOWN IT, SAYS THE LIBRARY STAFF. DOES NOT SERVE IN LOCO. PARENTIS BUT IT DOESN'T SAY LIKE WHAT THAT IS IT DOES IT . SAY IT SOMEWHERE WHAT THAT WORD REPRESENTS AND WHAT IT MEANS. UM THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION . LET'S SEE. PARENTS BASICALLY MEANS WE DO NOT SERVE IN THE PLACE OF PARENTS. WE LIFTED THAT. STRAIGHT FROM. I BELIEVE THE SCHOOLS HAVE THAT IN THERE. 
          I COULD BE WRONG THAT THE SCHOOL YOU CAN MAYBE TALK ABOUT THIS JUSTIN. OR MAYBE NOT THAT THEY SCHOOL DOES ACT IN LOCAL PRENTICE SO SCHOOLS AND I THINK THERE'S THIS EXPECTATION THAT 
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PUBLIC LIBRARIES DO, TOO. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DIFFERENTIATE THEIR THAT, UM SCHOOLS AND LIKE PUBLIC LIBRARIES ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT ENTITIES. AND WE WORK IN VERY DIFFERENT WAYS. SO WHILE THE SCHOOL LIBRARY MAY ACT IN PLACE OF A PARENT WE DO NOT. SO THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A PARENTAL, UH, RESPONSIBILITY AND WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BACK WHATEVER THE PARENTS WANTS TO DO. YEAH. WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT CHOICE. THEY ARE, YEAH. BUT I CAN CERTAINLY TO FIND THAT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? YEAH. PRETTY HAD A. A COUPLE OF MINOR ISSUES, OKAY? GRAMMATICAL SO ON PAGE EIGHT. OKAY, LET'S SEE THE THIS IS THE LAST SECTION THERE THE THIRD BULLET WHERE IT SAYS DISCUSS THEIR CONCERNS. YES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WILY RESIDENTS, SO IT SHOULD BE HIS OR HER, OKAY? AND THEN ON PAGE NINE. OKAY? THE SECOND TO LAST PARAGRAPH, THE LAST LINE WHERE IT SAYS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR FURTHER REEVALUATION FOR FIVE YEARS. I QUESTION WHETHER THE WORD FURTHER IS NEEDED JUST ELIGIBLE FOR REVALUATION. GOTCHA. WE CAN STRIKE THAT, AND WE CAN CHANGE THEIR TO HIS HEART. NO PROBLEM. QUESTION FOR YOU. PLEASE. DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANY ISSUES? BACK TO THIS LOOK IN LOCAL PARENTHESIS. SINCE THE LIBRARY DOES ALLOW WHAT IS THE AGE THAT THEY CAN ATTEND WITHOUT A PARENT? 9 10 10, OKAY, SINCE THE LIBRARY DOES ALLOW CHILDREN, 10 AND UP TO ATTEND WITHOUT A PARENT. DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT? WOULD CAUSE AN ISSUE. GIVEN THAT A PARENT MAY NOT BE WE ALLOW, SO YOU'RE CORRECT. WE DO ALLOW CHILDREN 10 AND UP TO BE AT THE LIBRARY ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT A PARENT. HOWEVER, WE DON'T POLICE WHAT IT IS THAT THEY CHECKED OUT. THAT'S UP TO THE PARENT. SO IF THEY'RE ALLOWING THEIR CHILD TO BE THERE ON THEIR OWN AND CHECK OUT MATERIALS, IT'S UP TO THE PARENTS REVIEW THOSE MATERIALS, WHETHER IT'S AT THE TIME OF CHECK OUT OR WHEN THEY GET HOME. UM UNFORTUNATELY, ARE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ASK US ALL THE TIME. CAN YOU DO A KID'S CARD WHERE YOU CAN LIMIT UM, THEY CAN ONLY CHECK OUT FROM THIS SECTION OR THIS SECTION. THAT SOFTWARE IS NOT THAT SOPHISTICATED. YOU KNOW WHAT WE USE IS JUST NOT. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO DO THAT, SO IT'S REALLY UP TO THE PARENTS TO DO IT ON THEIR END. IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT'S AVAILABLE. SO I DON'T THINK SO. BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW. THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT IT'S UP TO A PARENT. MONITOR THAT. OKAY ON PAGE NINE, THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE. ONCE THE LETTER OF CONCERN IS RECEIVED COMMA I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED A COMMENT THERE, OKAY? EASILY TAKEN OUT. 
          THANK YOU. PAM SINCE YOU WILL BE MAKING THE DECISION, RIGHT? CORRECT FINAL DECISION. WHAT? UM . HOW WOULD YOU MAKE THAT DECISION OR WHAT I MEAN? I WOULD TAKE OBVIOUSLY, WHATEVER THE BOARD RECOMMENDS. WHATEVER IT'S A THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF STEPS AS YOU CAN TELL, AND I'VE BEEN HERE 16 YEARS AND WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN THIS FAR. IT USUALLY ENDS. THE FURTHEST IT'S GOTTEN IS USUALLY WITH ME. UM WE'RE ABLE TO DEFUSE THE SITUATION OR TO TALK TO THE PARENTS TO SAY, AND IN SOME CASES, THE MATERIAL HAS BEEN RE CATALOGED TO A DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE LIBRARY. UM SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE NOT LISTENING. OBVIOUSLY IF SOMEBODY IS CONCERNED, WE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT. UM SO IT JUST DEPENDS. UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT DOES GO ON, THOUGH IT WOULD JUST LIKE I SAID, BE A MATTER OF WEIGHING ALL OF THE DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS AND IDEAS AND DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE LIBRARY. I THINK THE BIG MISCONCEPTION WHEN PEOPLE BRING THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT LIBRARY MATERIALS, IS THAT THE IDEA OF WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE JUDGING. WHAT WE'RE JUDGING IS. DOES IT FIT THE COLLECTION DEVELOPMENT POLICY? AND DID WE PUT IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE? BECAUSE APPROPRIATENESS THAT'S NOT REALLY THAT'S A JUDICIAL BODY THAT WE'RE NOT A JUDICIAL BODY, SO WE'RE JUST HERE TO HERE. CAN WE MAKE IT? IS IT WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE? DID WE FOLLOW? WHAT WE SET OUT TO DO IS EVERYTHING WAS EVERYTHING FOLLOWED THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE. AND IF 
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IT WAS THAN ARE WE GOOD? OR DO WE NEED TO MOVE IT TO SOMEWHERE ELSE? MAYBE SOMETHING WAS MISSED. OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IN THE CASE THAT I CAN THINK OF WHERE WE ACTUALLY MOVE THE MATERIAL WHEN WE COMPARED TO THE OTHER THINGS IN THAT SAME SECTION. IT FIT BETTER WITH THE THINGS AND THE TEEN ROOM THAT IT DID IN THE JUVENILE SECTION. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE JUST END UP USUALLY DOING THAT ONE THING WE USUALLY END UP KIND OF LOOKING AT OTHER SIMILAR THINGS TO DECIDE. IS THIS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT? OR DOES THIS YOU KNOW? I THINK I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE THAT ARE LIBRARIANS ARE SOME OF THE MOST, UM OBSESSED PEOPLE ABOUT THEIR COLLECTIONS THAT I'VE EVER WORKED WITH. SO UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL ORDER SOMETHING AND TELL ME UP FRONT LIKE I'M NOT SURE THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO. BUT WE'RE ALL GOING TO READ IT. AND I'M LIKE, GREAT. OKAY YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED MY HELP, LET ME KNOW THEY ARE VERY IN TUNE TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING. SO, UM I FEEL LIKE BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY, THE ATTORNEY SAID. WE NEEDED TO BE MORE PRECISE IN WHAT THOSE STEPS WERE AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, BUT LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN HERE 16 YEARS. 
          IT'S NEVER HAPPENED. KNOCK ON WOOD. THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT WON'T BUT YOU KNOW, AT LEAST THIS WAY. 
          IT'S VERY CLEAR SPELLED OUT. UM THERE WAS THERE, STATING CONCERNS ABOUT LIBRARY LIBRARY MATERIAL. IT'S UM THAT THIS MAY NOT COVER WHAT THEIR CONCERN IS LIKE IF THEY'RE SAYING MATERIAL SHOULDN'T BE IN THE LIBRARY. YOU'RE JUST. THIS IS JUST COVERING MATERIAL THAT'S IN THE LIBRARY. IT'S GOING TO STAY IN THE LIBRARY JUST MAY NOT BE IN THE RIGHT PLACE IN THE LIBRARY, NECESSARILY IF WE FIND THAT THAT MATERIAL DID NOT ADHERE TO THIS POLICY, IT DIDN'T HAVE POSITIVE REVIEWS. IT WASN'T UM WHATEVER IT IS THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE SIT OUT HERE WITH THE SELECTION CRITERIA IS MAYBE IT DOESN'T ISN'T ACCURATE. AS FAR AS INFORMATION IS CONCERNED, UM THOSE REVIEWS HAVE TO BE FROM REPUTABLE SOURCES. IF THEY'RE NOT FROM REPUTABLE SOURCES, YOU KNOW EVERYBODY MAKES MISTAKES. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU KNOW THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW IT TO THE LETTER OR SOMETHING IS WRONG. IN THAT CASE, THAT MIGHT, YEAH. I WOULD NEVER. I WOULD NOT RULE THAT OUT, YOU KNOW? NOW IS IT REMOVED BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THE CONTENT THAT'S NOT NECESSARY. 
          THAT'S THAT'S WHERE IT GETS HAIRY. YEAH, I THINK TO THAT POINT ON THE TOP OF PAGE EIGHT TALKS ABOUT AH! THAT THOSE ITEMS MAY NOT BE REMOVED FROM THE LIBRARY FOR THOSE COMPLAINTS. UM UNLESS BY LAW UNTIL AFTER RECEIPT OF AN INDEPENDENT COURT ORDER. WHAT WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT MEAN? SO BASICALLY, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT A LEGISLATIVE BODY. SO AS A PUBLIC LIBRARY, WE CANNOT COLLECT PORNOGRAPHY. WE WOULD LOSE OUR ACCREDITATION. SO THAT'S THE BIG BUZZWORD RIGHT NOW. RIGHT AND ALL OF THESE GROUPS THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROTESTING ITEMS IN THE LIBRARY THAT IT'S POOR, NOT PORNOGRAPHIC. WELL IT ISN'T. IT HASN'T BEEN LABELED AS PORNOGRAPHIC BY THE STATE. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE JUDICIAL BODY OF THE STATE WOULD SAY THESE MATERIALS ARE PORNOGRAPHY AS YOU AS A PUBLIC LIBRARY CANNOT COLLECT THESE MATERIALS THAT THEY WOULD CLASSIFY THEM THAT WAY. AND THEN THAT WAY, WE WOULD KNOW. OKAY WE CAN'T TOUCH THAT. SO IF IN THE COURSE OF THEIR COMPLAINTS, THERE IS A CASE AND IT DOES COME THROUGH THAT IT IS THAT THEY CATEGORIZED IT THAT WAY, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE THAT. REMOVE THAT MATERIAL. THAT WE AS A BODY, A JUDICIAL BODY OR US AS LIBRARIANS. WE CAN'T WE DON'T MAKE THAT CALL. IF IT'S NOT ALREADY CLASSIFIED AS PORNOGRAPHY, THEN IT'S NOT CONSIDERED THAT. SO THE STATE LIBRARY ASSOCIATION. IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE CALLED? NO, IT'S USUALLY THE JUDICIAL BODY FOR THE STATE THAT WOULD MAKE THAT THEY'D HAVE TO BE LIKE A LAWSUIT THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT INTO THE STATE. AND THEN IT WOULD BE SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE STATE LIBRARY BOARD. IT WOULD BE LIKE NO COURT COURT. OKAY, CORRECT. ANY MORE COMMENTS. OKAY SO I MOVED TO APPROVE THE COLLECTION DEVELOPMENT POLICY WITH THE DISGUST. EDITS. DO I HAVE A. DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? WITH THE EDIT. WE HAVE A SECOND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          ARE WE VOTING ON THIS? DO WE? YES. SO LET ME START THE VOTING. OKAY AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY NEXT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, WE HAVE 
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TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER USE POLICY. THANK YOU, TASHA. SO THIS IS A ROOM. WHEN YOU GUYS COME INTO THE LIBRARY, YOU PASSED THE CIRCULATION DESK. THE LEFT. 
          THERE'S LIKE LITTLE BUSINESS COPY CENTER AND THEN AT THE CORNERS, THE MAKER SPACE AND THERE WAS THAT ONE ROOM KIND OF THERE BY ITSELF. IT LOOKS LIKE A STUDY ROOM. THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT A STUDY ROOM. IT WAS PROVIDED BY THE WIDELY OR FURNISHED BY THE WALLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. UM, IT USED TO HAVE ALL SORTS OF BUSINESS RESOURCES . HAD A COUPLE OF COMPUTERS IN THEIR PEOPLE COULD GO IN AND WORK ON THEIR RESUME THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND, UM, EVEN BEFORE COVID. WE WERE NOTICING THAT IT JUST WASN'T GETTING USED. IT WAS JUST KIND OF A DEAD SPACE. AND SO WE TALKED TO THEM. WE RECONFIGURED IT WE THOUGHT WERE GOING TO MAKE IT MORE DIGITAL FRIENDLY. SO NOW WE HAVE LIKE A TV IN THERE, YOU CAN HOOK IT UP. YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR COMPUTER THAT WAY PEOPLE COULD DO EVEN THEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO DO PRESENTATIONS AND STUFF. OBVIOUSLY, THIS WAS BEFORE COVID. SO THERE WAS NO ZOOM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN COVID HIT AND IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL, THEN WE SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN. UM AND WE KIND OF DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT AFTER THAT, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE KIND OF SO WE DECIDED TO TRY TO GO BACK AND TRY THAT ORIGINAL PLAN. OF MAKING IT KIND OF A NOW THEY COULD DO VIRTUAL MEETINGS IN THERE OR TRAININGS. IT'S A SMALL ROOM RIGHT NOW. IT'S ONLY FURNISHED TO WHERE IT CAN FIT ABOUT FOUR PEOPLE COMFORTABLY, BUT YOU CAN DO TELE WORK THERE. YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE HAVING A MEETING OR TRAINING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM OR YOU NEED A PRISON. UH YOU KNOW, PRACTICE A PRESENTATION. OR MAYBE YOU HAVE A JOB INTERVIEW. A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE VIRTUAL JOB INTERVIEWS, AND THEY JUST NEED, YOU KNOW A PLACE TO DO THAT. SO, UM, WE DECIDED TO TWEAK THAT A BIT SO THAT WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THEM. SO IT'S NOT LIKE A STUDY ROOM THAT YOU CAN RESERVE WITH YOUR CARD. UM THE STUDY ROOMS. YOU'LL NOTICE THEY DON'T HAVE TVS IN THEM. 
          THEY'RE NOT WIRED ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THIS IS MORE AND THE EQUIPMENT EVERYTHING IN THERE IS STUFF THAT THE BUSINESS CENTER, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION PROVIDED SO WE DEFINITELY WANT TO. UM CONSIDER THEIR REQUESTS AS FAR AS WHAT THAT ROOM IS INTENDED FOR, AND SO WE DECIDED TO MAKE IT PART OF THE RESERVATION SYSTEM, ALONG WITH THE CONFERENCE ROOM AND THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM. UM WHICH GO THROUGH MICHELE SO MICHELE WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD BE MAKING THOSE RESERVATIONS. KIND OF FEELING PEOPLE OUT. MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UM ABIDING BY WHAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION WANTED FOR THAT ROOM. FOR THE USE OF PROMOTING ENTREPRENEURSHIP. UM A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THERE, ESPECIALLY UNDER THE TO USE SECTION TO USE THE SPC. COMES DIRECTLY OUT OF OUR MEETING ROOM POLICY. UM SO IT'S A LOT OF THE SAME LANGUAGE THINGS LIKE YOU HAVE TO BE 18 YEARS OLD OR OLDER. IT'S NOT FOR SOCIAL EVENTS. YOU KNOW THINGS LIKE THAT. HOW TO CHECK IN AND CHECK OUT THE ROOM. THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER. SO WHO DISTINGUISHES WHEN THEY'RE MAKING THIS RESERVATION ONLINE? MAKE SURE THAT IT. MEETS WHAT THE ROOM SHOULD BE USED FOR. VERSUS WHAT? IT SHOULD NOT BE USEFUL, MICHELLE. SO MICHELLE GETS ALL OF THE ROOM RESERVATION REQUESTS FOR THE CONFERENCE ROOM IN THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM, AND WE'LL BE ADDING THIS ROOM TO THAT. AND WHEN THEY FILL OUT THE FORM, IT ASKS VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. ABOUT WHAT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE USING THE ROOM FOR? HOW LONG DO YOU NEED IT IN THAT KIND OF STUFF? YOUR MIC IS OFF. SORRY THAT'S OK. I WOULD TYPICALLY IF I SAW SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THE POLICY, CALL THAT PERSON BACK AND ASKED THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE POLICY WITH ME. AND THEN I WOULD REFERENCE WHATEVER IT IS IN THE POLICY THAT DOESN'T MATCH WHAT THEY'VE REQUESTED TO DO WITH THE SPACE. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE WORDING IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH THAT LAST SENTENCE IT IS AVAILABLE FREE. AND YOU JUST SAID, BUT YOU JUST SAY IT IS FREE FOR INDIVIDUALS. ABSOLUTELY. AND THEN, UM, ON THE BOTTOM UNDER TO USE THE SBC. THE SECOND PARAGRAPH THE SECOND SENTENCE, COMMA. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED NO GROUP MAY USE IT ON A CONTINUING WEEK TO WEEK. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S EXACTLY HOW OUR OTHER TWO ROOMS WORK, SO WE JUST MADE IT THE SAME, SO IT'S JUST EASY. HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. SO IT 
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SAYS THAT IT CAN BE RESERVED AND USED FOR GENERAL NON COMMERCIAL. ACTIVITIES. THAT MEANS NO SALES. 
          OKAY? SO YOU CAN'T LIKE RENT THE ROOM TO PITCH SOMEBODY RIGHT TO SELL THEM SOMETHING CORRECT. BUT YOU COULD BE A COMPANY WHO'S SELLS SOMETHING BUT USING IT FOR TRAINING PURPOSES. OKAY? YEAH. 
          OKAY. GOOD QUESTION. THAT'S HOW WE DIFFERENTIATE THAT. YES. SO YOU CAN'T GO IN THERE WITH THE INTENT TO SELL ANYTHING OR TRY TO PROMOTE YOUR PRODUCT, BUT YOU CAN GO IN THERE TO TRAIN YOUR WORKFORCE TO DO THAT. YEAH. I HAD THE FURNISHINGS IN THIS SMALL BUSINESS CENTER PROVIDED BY THE WILY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. IS THAT A SORT OF CONTINUING SUPPORT THAT THEY OFFER WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FURNISHING THE MAINTENANCE OF THE MATERIALS? WHAT HAPPENS WITH SOMETHING BREAKS OR NEEDS AN UPGRADE? VERY GOOD QUESTIONS. IT IS CONTINUOUS. SO, LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE FIRST OPENED THE BUILDING, IT WAS A VERY DIFFERENT ROOM, AND IT WAS USED VERY DIFFERENTLY. SO EVERY FEW YEARS WE KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND GO. WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THIS SOME MORE DYNAMIC SPACE OR A MORE RELEVANT SPACE? UM SO THERE USED TO BE BIG BOOKCASES IN THEIR BIG, HEAVY DARK FURNITURE? UM LIKE I SAID, THERE SHOULD BE A COUPLE OF COMPUTERS IN THERE THAT PEOPLE COULD USE TO WORK ON RESUMES AND STUFF AND ALL OF THAT'S GONE, SO WE'VE WE'VE REVAMPED IT AND THIS WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, LIKE I MENTIONED TO MAKE IT MORE STREAMLINED, MORE KIND OF, UM UH HUH. DIGITAL FRIENDLY BECAUSE BEFORE IT WAS NOT DIGITAL FRIENDLY AT ALL, UM, SO AND THEN , IN A WAY, YOU KNOW THE PANDEMIC HIT AND KIND OF ACCELERATED ALL THAT NOW, EVERYBODY, THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. SO THAT KIND OF WORKED OUT WELL, BUT, UM YES. SO EVERY FEW YEARS? YEAH WE DO TALK TO THEM ABOUT. IF SOMETHING WERE TO GO OUT, WE WOULD TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT. OR IF WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW THIS SPACE MIGHT BE BETTER USED, OR MAYBE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING IT ARE SAYING WE REALLY WANT THIS OR THIS. OR WOULD YOU CONSIDER ADDING THIS OR THIS AND WE WOULD TAKE THAT TO THEM AND GO. THIS IS WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR. HAVE A QUESTION AT THE TOP OF 11 IT STATES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PARAGRAPH, THE LIBRARY CARD OR PICTURE IDEA OF THE APPLICANT MUST BE PRESENTED AT THE TIME OF THE MEETING. TO THE SERVICE DESK. NOW THE LAST SENTENCES LIBRARY CARDS OTHER THAN THE APPLICANTS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED. SO IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LIBRARY CARD OR PICTURE I D. 
          THEN WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT? WHAT HAPPENS IS SOMEBODY WILL BOOK THE ROOM WITH THEIR LIBRARY CARD NUMBER, AND THEN THEY'LL SEND SOMEBODY ELSE UP WITH THEIR LIBRARY CARD NUMBER, AND IT'S LIKE YOU DIDN'T BOOK THE ROOM. WE NEED THE PERSON HERE WHO ORIGINALLY BOOKED THE ROOM WITH THEIR NUMBER, AND THEY'LL BE LIKE, WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR CARD NUMBER. SO WE'RE USING MINE WERE LIKE NO, WE NEED TO SEE YOUR PICTURE IDEA. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IN THOSE SITUATIONS. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE YOUR CARD ON YOU WILL TAKE YOUR PICTURE IDEA. WE'LL LOOK AT, BUT YOU CAN'T USE SOMEBODY ELSE'S NUMBER TWO. BUT IT STILL HAS TO BE THE PERSON WHO RESERVED THE ROOM CORRECT. BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE. MHM. ANY MORE COMMENTS. OKAY I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION OR MOVED TO APPROVE THE SMALL BUSINESS THAT ARE USED POLICY WITH THE DISGUST. EDITS. DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? I'M MOTION THAT WE APPROVED THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER USE POLICY. YOU HAVE A SECOND. I WILL START THE VOTING NOW. MOTION PASSES 60. THANK YOU. OKAY WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO OUR WORK SESSION AND START WITH THE REVIEW MONTHLY REPORT. THANK YOU, TASHA. SO OUR MONTHLY REPORT IS ACTUALLY TWO MONTHS BECAUSE WE DID NOT GET TO MEET IN MAY SO YOU'LL NOTICE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTHLY REPORT ON PAGE 12, THE FIRST SEX SET OF , UM, STATISTICS OR APRIL 20TH THROUGH MAY 17TH AND THEN THE SECOND SET OR MAY 18TH THROUGH JUNE 21ST. SO THAT KIND OF ENCOMPASSES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS THERE, UM KEEP IN MIND THAT THE MONTH OF MAY WE DON'T DO VERY MUCH VERY MUCH PROGRAMMING BECAUSE WE'RE ESPECIALLY FOR CHILDREN AND 
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TEENS BECAUSE WE'RE PREPARING FOR SUMMER, SO THAT'S USUALLY KIND OF A SLOWER MONTH FOR US IN THAT REGARD, SO IF YOU SEE THESE NUMBERS, AND YOU'RE LIKE, WOW, THAT'S REALLY LOW. THAT'S PROBABLY WHY HMM. MOVING INTO THE DIGITAL RESOURCE TO USAGE. UM LIBYA'S HELD PRETTY STEADY AS HAS, WHO PLAYS DONE. BEEN DOING PRETTY GOOD. WE DID HAVE A UPTICK THERE IN MAY, BUT CHECK OUT CANOPY FOR MAY 2023. I WENT BACK AND CHECKED THIS LIKE 16 TIMES. Y'ALL I'M LIKE THIS CANNOT BE RIGHT. THERE'S GOT TO BE A GLITCH. I EVEN HAD LISA LIKE, CALL THEM WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          THIS IS CRAZY. UM BUT I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE POSTED SOME VIDEOS ON FACEBOOK ABOUT IT. AND ONE WAS LOOK AT WHAT YOUR KIDS CAN DO ON CANOPY, AND ONE WAS JUST WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR ADULTS , AND I THINK IT JUST KIND OF GENERATED INTEREST AND I CHECKED OUR STATS SO FAR THIS MONTH, AND THERE'S STILL REALLY HIGH. SO UM , YEAH, PEOPLE ARE CATCHING ON TO CANOPY. ANOTHER FUN THING IS WE'RE STARTING JULY 1ST RIGHT NOW AND HOOPLA. YOU GET 10 CREDITS A MONTH AND YOU ONLY GET FIVE ON CANOPY. STARTING JULY 1ST. YOU'LL GET 10 ON CANOPY AS WELL. IT WILL BE 10 AND 10 SO LOTS OF CREDITS TO GO AROUND. SO THAT'S NICE. AND THEN THE PLAYS BY DEVICE. I ALWAYS FIND THAT INTERESTING, BUT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS OR ON ANY OF THEM MEETING OR TRAINING HIGHLIGHTS? CORRECT SPACING FOR THE CIRCULATION STATISTICS. CORRECT US STAGE 12. OKAY 24,000. 
          THERE'S A SPACE 1 38. OH, UNDER VISITORS. I SEE YES. GOT IT. YOU CAN DO. I DON'T KNOW. THAT SHOULD APPLY ALSO TO THE NUMBER OF HOLDS PROCESS. UNDER CIRCULATION STATISTICS TO THE 4000. THERE'S A SPACE OK. OH, I SEE IT. YEP. 
          WHAT IS THE COMBINATION REFERENCE ASSISTANT POSITION. GOOD QUESTION. COMBINATION REFERENCE ASSISTANT POSITION MEANS THAT THEY WORK BOTH IN ADULT SERVICES AND USE SERVICES . THERE'S ONLY ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS IN THE LIFE. SO THEY SPEND HALF THEIR TIME IN THE ADULT SIDE AND HALF THE TIME ON THE YOU'RE WELCOME. AND I'LL POINT OUT UNDER MISCELLANEOUS JUST BECAUSE I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT. Y'ALL ON 4 27. LISA AND I MET WITH TLC. IT'S THE LIBRARY CORPORATION REPS BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING A LIBRARY APP SO EXCITED. IT'S GOING TO BE SUPER COOL. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CHECK YOUR ACCOUNT PUT HOLES. UM, IF YOU'RE AT A BOOKSTORE YOU CAN OR ANY STORY THAT HAS A BOOK. YOU CAN SCAN THE ESPN ON THE BARCODE ON THE BACK TO SEE IF WE OWN IT BEFORE YOU BUY IT. I KNOW. AND IF YOU USE THE DRIVE THRU CATALOG I KNOW YEAH. AND IF YOU DO THE DRIVE THROUGH, YOU CAN DO CLICK AND COLLECT. WHICH MEANS IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY, YOU JUST CLICK ON THERE AND LET US KNOW THAT YOU'RE COMING AND WE'LL HAVE YOUR STUFF READY AT THE WINDOW. SO I KNOW IT'S FANTASTIC. ISN'T THIS B? WE'RE WORKING ON THE CONTRACT AND EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW WE'RE PLANNING ON TRAINING STAFF AND AUGUST MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF SEPTEMBER, SO IT'LL PROBABLY OUT SEPTEMBER OCTOBER. SO AFFILIATE, THE CURRENT. I HAVEN'T APP ON MY PHONE, BUT I GUESS REALLY, IT'S NOT TRULY AN APP. IS IT JUST USING THE WEB? BECAUSE I CAN DO ALL OF THAT ON MY PHONE. YEAH YOU'RE JUST USING THE WEBSITE. OKAY, SO IT'S LIKE A FAKE AT FIRST, IT'S PROBABLY NOT FORMATTED TO YOUR PHONE OR IF IT IS, IT MAY BE A LITTLE WONKY. 
          THIS ONE. YES THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE FORMATTED FOR YOUR PHONE. AND IF YOU EVER USED THE PLANE, A LIBRARY UP, IT'S VERY SIMILAR . WE GET TO PERSONALIZE IT. HOWEVER WE WANT, BUT IT WILL HAVE LIKE I MEAN, IT'S BEAUTIFUL . I LOVE IT. YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY AWESOME. SO COULD THAT. 
          ELIMINATE I MEAN, MAYBE NOT COMPLETELY ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THE COMPUTER CARD CATALOGS 
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THAT PEOPLE ACCESS. BUT LIKE, IF YOU COULD JUST WALK IN THE LIBRARY AND ONE OF FIND A BOOK, YOU GET A STUDENT ON YOUR PHONE COMPUTERS, YOU SURE COULD. YEP. I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT. 
          BUT YES, THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S WHAT I DO NOW, BUT IT'S VERY SLOW. SO I WAS THINKING THAT WAS THAT. YEAH THIS SHOULD HELP THAT , UM THE ONLY THING OF COURSE FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE DEVICES ARE FOR KIDS. YOU KNOW, KIDS LIKE RIGHT THERE AND TYPE THEIR THINGS, BUT BUT, YES, IT'LL MAKE IT MUCH EASIER AND WILL BE FORMATTED FOR YOUR PHONE. SO IT'LL BE SO MUCH PRETTIER. IT'LL BE GREAT. ON THAT THE TLC REPS. IS THERE ANY SORT OF AGE RESTRICTION OR ANYTHING CAN CAN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS ARE WILL THEY HAVE ACCESS AND FULL ACCESS TO THE APP? YES. AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A LIBRARY CARD, YOU DOWNLOAD THE APP. ARE YOU? YOU'RE OPEN TO EVERYTHING ON IT, AND PARENTS CAN LINK THEIR KIDS CARDS TO IT SO YOU CAN HAVE FLIPPED IN BETWEEN ALL YOUR KIDS SEE WHAT THEY'VE GOT, SO MAKES IT EASY. NOT ONLY SEE WHAT THEY'VE CHECKED OUT IF YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, OR JUST TO SEE WHEN THINGS ARE DO BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S HARD TO JUGGLE ALL THAT. YEAH. YEAH. SO THERE IS THERE A POSITION OPEN. I SEE ON PAGE 14 AT THE BOTTOM 6 20. YES THAT WAS THE COMBINATION REFERENCE ASSISTANT PHYSICIAN, SO WE HAD ONE OF OUR ADULT SERVICES. UM REFERENCE ASSISTANCE LEAVE AND ARE PERSON THAT WAS IN THE COMBO REFERENCES TO POSITION DECIDED TO TAKE THAT POSITION, SO HE MOVED INTO THAT POSITION. FOR NOW. WE'VE GOT THE COMBO REFERENCES SYSTEM OPEN. WE DO HAVE TO INTERVIEW SCHEDULED FOR THE WEEK AFTER FOURTH OF JULY. WHAT IS THAT COMBINATION REFERENCE ASSISTANT. THAT WAS WHAT CARLA JUST ASKED. IT'S THE ONE POSITION THAT WORKS BOTH IN THE ADULT SERVICES AND THE YOUTH SERVICES DEPARTMENT, SO THEY GO BACK AND FORTH. ANYTHING HAPPENING? EXCITING WITH THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY. OOH GOOD QUESTION. LET'S SEE. WE JUST HAD OUR FRIENDS MEETING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. WE'RE GEARING UP FOR THE BIG BOOK SALE NEXT MONTH, SO I HOPE YOU GUYS CAN COME. I THINK IT'S JULY 21ST AND 22ND. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. LET ME DOUBLE CHECK IT IS. THANK YOU. UM SO WE'RE DOING OUR PRE SALE AGAIN ON THAT FRIDAY. YOU JUST HAVE TO BE A MEMBER OF THE FRIENDS TO GET IN. AND IF YOU'RE NOT A MEMBER, WE CAN MAKE YOU ONE ON THE SPOT. SO NO WORRIES. 
          UM IT WILL BE FOR TWO HOURS FROM 5 TO 7 AND THEN THE SALES THE NEXT DAY FROM 9 TO 4. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF FOCUSING ON AT THE MOMENT. UM AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME FUN THINGS COMING UP IN THE FALL. ALL WILL STILL BE DOING OUR SPOOKY NIGHT. HOWEVER WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE THEATER SHOW LIKE WE USUALLY DO. WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT, AND THEN WE'RE SAVING THAT THEATER TROUPE SHOW UM FOR SOMETHING, UM, A LITTLE MORE EXCITING. I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE TOLD YOU ABOUT THE MURDERING MURDER MYSTERY NIGHT IDEA AT THE LIBRARY, OKAY? YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS, SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW. UM TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, SO, BUT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THE LINE. RIGHT NOW WE'RE ALL ABOUT BOOKS, SELL BOOKS, SELL BOOKS, SELL BOOKS SELL CAN YOU THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE WE'RE DOING MICHELLE WITH THE FRIENDS. NOT TILL AFTER BOOK SALE. YEAH. BOOKS, SELL BOOKS SELL BOOKS. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. SO WHEN YOU MET WITH CONNOR FROM THE WILD RENEWS, WHAT WERE SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT YOU PUT IN? HE CAME AND IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE IT WAS IN MAY. STILL SO OF COURSE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE KICKOFF, UM, WHICH WE HAD RECORD ATTENDANCE AT THE KICK OFF THIS YEAR. 3076 PEOPLE I BELIEVE. YEAH HUGE. UM AND WE HAD THE PHONE PARTY WHICH EVERYBODY LOVED. SO THAT WAS FUN. AH! AND SO WE HIGHLIGHTED THAT HIGHLIGHTED HOW WE'VE GOT SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY, BECAUSE YOU KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK SUMMER. OH, IT'S FOR KIDS. WELL THAT'S NOT TRUE, AS ROSS KNOWS SHE'S COME TO SEVERAL OF OUR ADULT PROGRAMS. SO WE HAVE OTHER THINGS FOR ADULTS, TOO. AND UM TEENS AND TWEENS AND EVERYBODY, UH SO WE LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THEY ARE INCLUDED AND, UM, ARE WELCOME. AND OF COURSE, HARRY POTTER. 
          THAT'S OUR BIG, YOU KNOW. I LOVE THE HARRY. THAT'S THE BEST DAY OF THE YEAR. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED AT THE LIBRARY, LOVE IT'S LIKE MY CHRISTMAS. I LOVE IT. EVERYBODY. YEAH. 
          HMM. OKAY NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO REVIEWING THE FINE SUMMARY BY FISCAL YEAR. THANK YOU, TASHA . SO FOR THOSE OF YOU, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER WAY BACK IN APRIL, THE LAST TIME WE MET, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE WANTED TO GO FIND FREE. HOWEVER IT'S BEEN 
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A BIT OF A CHALLENGE BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH WE ACTUALLY BRING IN TO FIND. UM AND SO SOMEBODY TO ASK. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER WHO SOMEONE SAID. WELL, CAN WE GET THOSE NUMBERS? SO HERE THEY ARE. UM I JUST WANT TO KIND OF GIVE YOU ALL AN IDEA OF YOU KNOW, FY 21. THAT WAS FISCAL YEAR 21, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN SUB OCTOBER 1ST 2020 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH 2021 AND THEN AT FISCAL YEAR, 22 WOULD BE OCTOBER 1ST 2021 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH 2023 2022 SORRY. AND THEN 23 STARTED OCTOBER 1ST OF LAST YEAR AND IT GOES THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH OF THIS YEAR SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE OUR BIGGEST, OBVIOUSLY, IS THE OVERDUE BY FAR, UM, DAMAGED COMES IN, RIGHT. UM YOU KNOW NOT TOO MUCH TOO BAD UNDERNEATH THAT, BUT THEN LOST ITEMS DO ADD UP AS WELL. AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ELIMINATING FINES. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DAMAGED OR LOST. WE'RE JUST TALKING OVERDUE. YEAH PEOPLE WOULD STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR AN ITEM IF THEY LOSE IT OR IF IT WAS DAMAGED OR IF WE HAD TO REPLACE BARCODE OR WHATEVER THAT WOULD STILL BE SOMETHING THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR IT, BUT WE JUST WOULDN'T CHARGE THEM IF THEY WERE LATE. IN THAT SCENARIO. AND I DO KNOW THAT FOR PATRONS WITH OVERDUE ITEMS AND EMAIL IS GENERATED AND SENT TO THEM IS SOME KIND OF NOTIFICATION GOING TO BE SENT TO THEM WITH THIS. NEW NEW APP THAT WE'RE DEMOING. YES ACTUALLY, YOU COULD SEE ON YOUR THERE WILL BE YOU COULD GET SOMETHING ON THE APP SAYING UH AND I THINK THAT'S ALL CUSTOMIZABLE. I THINK YOU CAN TELL THE AFTER A MIGHT TO PUSH NOTIFICATION TO TELL YOU. 
          HEY YOUR STUFF IS ABOUT TO BE. DO YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS? UM BUT IF YOU'RE LIKE ME, I JUST GO. YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO IT. SO I GUESS IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT YES, I BELIEVE SO THAT THE APP HAS THAT CAPABILITY. ARE THESE JUST THE AMOUNT OF FINES OR IS THIS MONEY COLLECTED? THIS IS JUST WHAT'S OWED, NOT WHAT WAS COLLECTED. DO YOU TRACK WHAT'S COLLECTED AND IT'S NEVER ANYWHERE NEAR THAT. PEOPLE LOSE A BOOK THEY OWE FOR IT. THEY NEVER PAY FOR IT. NEVER PAY FOR IT. WE SOMETIMES WE NEVER SEE THEM AGAIN. SOMETIMES THEY GET A CARD AND THE KID'S NAME AND USE THAT INSTEAD. YOU KNOW, YOU JUST YOU NEVER KNOW. SO BE HELPFUL TO JUST. I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY NOT MUCH OR MAYBE NOT WORTH IT, BUT TO IN THE COLUMN. HERE'S WHAT'S OWED. HERE'S WHAT? YEAH NO. AND I HAVE THAT DATA. I JUST Y'ALL HAD ASKED FOR WHAT IT WAS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS BRINGING. LET ME HAVE YOU CLICK OFF BRAS. SO I'M SORRY. LOSE A BOOK. I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN IT'S LOST. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WELL, I MEAN, IF SOMETHING DOESN'T COME BACK, THEY'LL GET A NOTICE SAYING, HEY, THIS WELL, THE FIRST THING TO NOTICE THIS IS LONG OVERDUE. AND THEN AT SOME POINT, IT WILL SAY AT THIS POINT, IT'S GOING TO MOVE INTO LOST AND IT WILL SHOW UP AS A CHARGE ON THEIR CARD. UM SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL COME IN AND SAY, I KNOW WE TURNED IT IN THAT SPARKS A WHOLE OTHER PROCESS WHERE WE LOOK FOR IT, AND WE TRY TO FIND IT, UM, IN CASE IT GOTTEN, YOU KNOW MICHELLE'S OR SOMETHING. UM, BUT A LOT OF TIMES THEY KNOW THEY LOST IT OR THEY DON'T WANT TO BRING IT BACK UP. KIND OF LIKE AN INFORMAL BOOKSTORE. THOSE DO THEY GET THEY LOSE THEIR LIBRARY CARD. WELL, I MEAN, ONCE THEY HAVE A LOST ITEM ON THEIR CARD, THEY CAN'T CHECK ANYTHING OUT UNTIL THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF. THEY CAN USE THE COMPUTERS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT THEY CAN'T CHECK ANYTHING ELSE OUT. UNTIL THAT'S RESOLVED. YES, MR CARLO. SO WAS SO MANY LIBRARIES GOING TO NO FINES. IS AT WHAT POINT DO YOU THINK THIS CITY MIGHT THINK IT'S NOT WORTH THE I MEAN, FINES COME WITH A COST. YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO TRACK ALL THIS STUFF. THE WORK IT TAKES TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE CREDIT CARD MACHINE AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. ALTHOUGH WE HAVE THE CREDIT CARD MACHINE ANYWAY FOR LOST ITEMS, REALLY. 
          BUT WITH THE CREDIT CARD FEES YOU PAY RIGHT NOW WE ABSORB ALL THAT. SOMEBODY COMES IN AND PAYS A NICKEL FINE WITH THEIR VISA. WE'RE PAYING THE $2 PROCESSING FEE AND, YOU KNOW, SO THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL. UM BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE TO, UM ROSSES POINT WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY IS ACTUALLY COLLECTED, UM IT'S KIND OF I MEAN, I CAN'T SAY, TOO. 
          WHETHER IT DEPENDS ON THE YEAR. SOME YEARS ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. BUT IT REALLY JUST BECOMES A BARRIER FOR PEOPLE TO USING THE LIBRARY. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S MY QUESTION IS REALLY NOT COLLECTING THIS 8000 OR 14,000 OR 17,000, AND THEN YOU'RE USING SO MUCH MANPOWER. KEEPING UP WITH SENDING NOTICE. SENDING CERTIFIED LETTERS. YES, THINGS. YES THEN IF YOU REALLY WANT THE COMMUNITY TO USE THE LIBRARY, THEY MAY BE MORE RELUCTANT TO USE OUR LIBRARY CORRECT TO A NEIGHBORING LIBRARY . AND SO THEREFORE YOU'RE LOSING WORSE. NOT YOU NOT USE THE LIBRARY AT ALL. AND RELY ON WHAT THE INTERNET TELLS YOU. WHICH 
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THAT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA. UM SO ANYWAY, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH RIGHT NOW IS SHOWING THEM THAT HISTORY THAT A YOU'RE NOT REALLY GETTING ALL THIS MONEY AND BE REALLY ALL WE'RE DOING IS PUTTING UP BARRIERS. AND IS THAT REALLY A GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE? THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE THAT'S NOT OUR PURPOSE. IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE REVENUE GENERATOR GENERATING . THAT IS NOT OUR MISSION, SO IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO DO A COST BENEFIT TYPE OF ANALYSIS TO PULL IN ALL THOSE OTHER. FENCES THAT MHM ER, TRY TO COLLECT THESE FEES AND THEN SHOW THAT IT'S YOU KNOW. YEP. BUT THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S TRENDING TO BE EVEN HIGHER THAN 22. IF THE PACE KEEPS WITH 23, SO YEP. OH, AND I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE. THE NUMBER OF PATRONS WITH YOU KNOW, DAMAGED OVERDUE OR BOOKS I GET IF IT'S A LARGE SELECTION OF THE POPULATION OR THE MAJORITY OF OUR LIBRARY PATIENTS OR IF IT'S JUST A FEW THAT HAVE DECIDED TO TAKE A COUPLE OF BOOKS AND DISAPPEAR, UH AND THEN I'D LIKE TO JUST SORT OF FLOAT. THE IDEA IS LIKE BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN IN OTHER LIBRARIES WHERE THEY HAVE, LIKE FINE FORGIVENESS DAY LIKE, HEY, COME ON UP. 
          WHATEVER YOU GOT TO BRING YOUR BRADY CARD. WE WANT YOU HERE. YOU KNOW, JUST FORGET YOUR CLIENTS WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. WE WANT YOU BACK. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THAT PUBLIC LIBRARIES EVER CONSIDERED OR WATER. SOME CHALLENGES LIKE WHY WOULDN'T WE? WE HAVE DONE, UM, FIND FORGIVENESS FOR OVERDUE FINES WITH LOST ITEMS. IT GETS A LITTLE TRICKIER. THE CITY'S DOESN'T REALLY LIKE TO DO THAT, UM, WE HAVE DONE WHERE IF YOU BRING US BACK, THE ITEM WILL WAIVE ALL THE FINES JUST ALL WE WANT THIS STUFF BACK. WE DON'T CARE, YOU KNOW. UM BUT HALF THE TIME THEY TRULY LOST IT. THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS. SO THAT'S KIND OF A PROBLEM. UM BUT WE DO DO FIND FORGIVENESS PROGRAMS PROPERLY. I THINK TWICE A YEAR LIKE WE JUST DID ONE IN MAY, WHICH WAS FURRY FRIENDS, WHICH IS WHERE YOU BRING SOMETHING FOR THE FROM THE ANIMAL SHELTER, AND WE WAVE UP TO $10 WORTH OF FINES FOR YOU AND THE OTHER ONE WE DO IS USUALLY IN SEPTEMBER FOR SCHOOL SUPPLIES. AUGUST SEPTEMBER. YOU BRING IN SCHOOL SUPPLIES TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOLS AND WE WAVE YEAH, WE'LL WAVE FINDS FOR YOU. WELL, AT WHAT POINT DO YOU REPLACE THE DAMAGED AND LOST ITEMS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE ITEM. 
          SO IF IT'S SOMETHING, OBVIOUSLY HIGH DEMAND, WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF HOLDS WAITING FOR IT. IT'S RIGHT AWAY. UM YEAH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T WAIT. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S MAYBE A LITTLE OLDER. 
          MAYBE HE'S NOT CHECKED OUT SO MUCH. MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING BETTER OUT THERE. WE MIGHT REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING NEWER, A NEWER EDITION SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT GENERALLY, THE LIBRARIANS HAVE AN ORDERING SCHEDULE. THEY GO BY SO THEY'LL PULL THOSE LOST ITEM. REPORTS TO SEE WHAT'S BEEN LOST IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WHETHER THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING SOMETHING THE SAME THING OR SOMETHING BETTER. OR MAYBE THEY DECIDE WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY SEARCHING ANYWAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT ANYMORE. WE'RE GONNA GET SOMETHING ELSE IS DEBTS, SO ON THE ON THE FLIP SIDE TO THAT, UM IF YOU FEEL LIKE MONEY IS NOT A GREAT MOTIVATOR FOR PEOPLE TO BRING THEIR BOOKS BACK. I KNOW LIKE OUR FAMILY IS WAITED LONG TIME FOR BOOKS AND I'M HOPING THAT THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEM CHECKED OUT ARE MOTIVATED BY MONEY BECAUSE WE WANT OUR OUR TURN RIGHT. IS THERE A DIFFERENT MOTIVATOR? UM TO GETTING PEOPLE TO RETURN. BOOKS LIKE LIKE, MAYBE YOU NO LONGER CAN CHECK OUT UNLIMITED ITEMS, OR MAYBE YOU HELD ON TO ALL OF THE CHRISTMAS BOOKS ALL OF DECEMBER . AND SO YOU CAN'T CHECK OUT HOLIDAY BOOKS OR I DON'T KNOW SOME OF THEIR MOTIVATOR TO RETURN THE BOOK SO OTHER PEOPLE CAN HAVE A TERM, BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT MONETARY. THAT'S A VERY GOOD GOOD POINT, KRISTEN. YEAH AND THAT'S HOW IT WOULD WORK. IF WE DIDN'T HAVE OVERDUE FINES. 
          THAT'S HOW IT WOULD WORK. IT WOULD BE LIKE I ALWAYS TALK TO CALL IT THE OLD NETFLIX MODEL. 
          YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU USED TO BACK IN THE DAY YOU WOULD SIGN UP FOR NETFLIX AND THEY'D SEND YOU THREE DVDS AND YOU COULDN'T GET NEW ONES UNTIL YOU SENT THOSE BACK. IT'S THE EXACT SAME IDEA. SO IF YOU HAVE AN OVERDUE ITEM ON YOUR CARD, YOU CAN'T CHECK OUT ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL YOU BRING THAT BACK. AND RIGHT NOW, UM, IT IS THAT WAY IN INTO A POINT, BUT YEAH, WHAT OTHER WHAT OTHER WAYS COULD WE MOTIVATE THEM SO THEY WOULD BRING IT BACK? UM THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW. YEAH, I'D LOVE TO KNOW. I WAS JUST TALKING TO SOMEBODY WHO HAD COULDN'T YOU KNOW? SO SWORE THEY TURNED IN AN ITEM AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST SAID, IF YOU FIND IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT'S PRECIOUS, LIKE WE CAN'T GET THIS ITEM AGAIN LIKE IT'S GONE. IT'S OUT OF FROM I CAN'T GET IT AGAIN. AND WE REALLY, REALLY WANT IT LIKE I DON'T CARE IF IT'S YOU KNOW, A YEAR FROM NOW, JUST BRING IT BACK. SO IT WAS KIND OF 
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ONE OF THOSE THINGS, BUT BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES IT IS THAT YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH LIKE CHILDREN'S MATERIALS. THEY'LL DO ONE PRINT RUN, AND THAT'S IT OR AUDIO, YOU KNOW, PLAY A WAYS THOSE ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO GET AGAIN AFTER YOU GET THEM THE FIRST TIME. SO UM, EVEN EVEN IF THEY'RE HIGH CIRCULATING AND YOU LOVE THEM, IT'S LIKE YOU CAN'T GET THEM. THEY'RE GONE. SO IT SEEMS LIKE YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING MORE THAN INCENTIVE ARENAS THEN BECAUSE THE NEGATIVE ISN'T REALLY WORKING, SO MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WOULD INCENTIVE. UNTIL THAT. YOU GOT IT. MAYBE LIKE A GOODY BAG OF SOME SORT. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE IF YOU BRING YOUR BOOK YOUR LOST BOOK OR YOU KNOW, HAVE LIKE ONE OF THOSE PALOUSE AND THEN SEND IT OUT THROUGH THE APP AND KIND OF LET THEM KNOW AND IT'S LIKE WHAT'S IN THE GOODY BAG? YOU KNOW YOU DON'T TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, SURPRISE. THOSE YOU KNOW THAT WAY. THEY'RE NOT INCENTIVIZED BY THE FUN FUNDS BY MONEY THAT COULD GET HIM TO MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT IS THAT PEOPLE WHO WOULDN'T NORMALLY DO IT OR DO IT JUST SO THAT THEY CAN GET A GOODY BAG. TOO SLIPPERY SLOPE DODGY SLIP. I WANT. TO I THINK AS FAR AS JUST GETTING THE THIS STUFF BACK, THE MORE OFTEN OR MORE FREQUENTLY WE CAN GET PATRONS IN THE BUILDING. YEAH YOU KNOW, THE MORE SIGNAGE HEY, DON'T FORGET TO BE KIND REWIND, BRING BACK YOUR BOOKS. BUT IF WE CAN ALWAYS JUST KEEP THE LIBRARY ON THEIR MIND OR KEEP THEM IN THE BUILDINGS IN WE CAN DO A WHAT'S THAT WILLIE NELSON BOOK? YOU'RE ALWAYS ON MY MIND THAT SONG SOMEHOW INCORPORATE THAT. AH DO SOME SORT OF CAMPAIGN CAMPAIGN CAMPAIGN AROUND THAT MY WHEELS ARE TURNING. JUSTIN IS WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH. I LIKE THAT IDEA. YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON MORE, YOU KNOW, AS WE KIND OF GO THROUGH. LIKE I SAID, RIGHT NOW, UM I JUST. I DON'T SEE, UM CITY COUNCIL BEING AMENABLE TO THAT SO BUT WE'LL KEEP GATHERING THE DATA AND GETTING THE STATISTICS AND WORKING ON IT SO THAT WHEN WE DO KIND OF SEE, LIKE, HEY, MAYBE WE CAN GET THIS TO WORK WELL PRESENTED THEIR LIBRARY. OH AND IF THEY WANT THEIR LIBRARY TO BE COMPETITIVE BECAUSE WE'RE SO MANY NEW LIBRARIES, AND THEY'RE OFFERING SO MANY NEW THINGS I'VE VISITED SEVERAL AND IF WILEY WANTS TO BE ONE OF THOSE RIGHT THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO ONLY ONE OF I BELIEVE. IT'S DOWN TO FOUR LIBRARIES THAT STILL CHARGE FINE. IN THE WHOLE METROPLEX. THERE'S ONLY FOUR AND WORLD I GUESS AT WHAT POINT BECAUSE I GET SOME POINT. IT'S IN MY MIND. IT'S KIND OF CONSIDERED THEFT LIKE WE'RE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE SHARING THESE MATERIALS CORRECT . TAKEN THESE MATERIALS, AND NOW MY FAMILY DOESN'T GET THE OPPORTUNITY. YOU NEED TO BRING THEM BACK OR PAY FOR THEM. YOU KNOW? I DON'T KNOW, I THINK I THINK AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT LIKE YOU HAVE NOW STOLEN FROM WHAT THE CITY OWNS. 
          AND WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR EVERYBODY. UM I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU AVAILABLE, BUT HOW DO WE GET THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT? I THINK WHAT WE WOULD START IF WE DID START UM MY IDEA. MY THOUGHT PROCESSES WE START WITH BABY STEPS, RIGHT? SO WE WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S TRY NOT CHARGING FINES ON KIDS MATERIALS JUST FOR THE SUMMER. THAT WAY WE ENCOURAGE. EVERYBODY COMES TO WORRY ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BRING THEM IN AND NOT BRING THEM BACK. AND YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. AND UM AND THEN SEE HOW THAT GOES. AND THEN YOU JUST KIND OF BROADEN AND BROADENING, BROADENING UNTIL HEY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE HEARTS. SO YOU KNOW. YEAH SO WE'LL SEE. BECAUSE IT IT'S DISPROPORTIONATELY JUVENILE MATERIALS BY FAR YOU KNOW, AND IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE BUT FAMILIES ARE BUSY. YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE YOU KNOW THEY GO, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER, THEY END UP OUT OF TOWN. BY THE TIME THEY GET BACK, THEY FORGOT TO TURN THEIR STAFF AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO PUNISH THEM FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THEY'RE NOT. 
          THESE AREN'T PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO GET AWAY WITH SOMETHING THERE. IT WAS AN HONEST MISTAKE KIND OF THING. BUT BECAUSE OF THAT THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO USE THE LIBRARY MORE BECAUSE IT MAY PRICE THEM OUT, AND THAT'S NOT GOOD, EITHER. THAT'S NOT THAT'S COMPLETELY GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. SO LAST TIME WHEN I WAS HOME, I CLEANED OUT BOOKS BOOKSHELF UP IN MY OLD BEDROOM AT HOME AT MY MOTHER'S HOUSE, AND I FOUND WHERE MY NIECES AND NEPHEWS WHEN THEY GREW UP. THEY LIVE WITH MY PARENTS. AND THERE WERE LIBRARY BOOKS IN THERE FROM THE SCHOOL THAT THEY ATTENDED. AND I WAS LIKE, YOU GOTTA RETURN THESE. 
          WE'VE GOT TO GET 20 YEARS THAT IS A GOOD LIBRARY BOARD MEMBER OF YOU KNOW, THESE BOOKS BELONG TO THE LIBRARY. WHY ARE THEY UP HERE ON THE SHELF COLLECTING DUST? I KNOW, BUT KRISTIN RAISED THE QUESTION FOR ME. GUY WAS KIND OF CURIOUS, AND JUSTIN KIND OF TOUCHED ON THIS WITH HOW MANY PATRONS DOES THIS CONSIST OF THIS IS A LOT OF PEOPLE, ISN'T IT THAT BECAUSE THE FINES AREN'T 
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THAT MUCH? RIGHT I MEAN, IT'S ONLY 10 CENTS A BOOK A DAY SO, BUT THERE'S ALSO INCLUDES I GUESS DVDS. DVDS ARE 50 CENTS, WHICH IS SOMETHING ELSE I'D LIKE TO CHANGE. THERE'S NO REASON FOR DVDS TO BE 50 CENTS, UH, SILLY, LEANING TOWARD. IS THERE A WAY TO CHANGE PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR RIGHT AND REPROGRAM THEM? YEAH, BUT YET DO THAT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS BECAUSE THAT WOULD PROBABLY SHOW BASED ON THE FEES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TO COLLECT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S JUST A I'M KINDA. KIND OF ON THE FENCE TO BECAUSE I'M RESPONSIBLE. I BRING MY BOOKS BACK AND EVERYBODY SHOULD DO THAT. RIGHT WHY ARE WE AND YEAH INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE THAT DON'T BOOKS BACK MY THEIR GRANDPARENTS WHO RAISED THEM. I DIDN'T KNOW THOSE BOOKS WERE UP THERE ON THE YOU KNOW THAT NEVER GOT RETURNED, SO WHAT DO YOU DO NOW? IT'S HARD. IT'S A HARD THING. 
          IT'S LIKE THAT WASN'T THAT SEINFELD EPISODE WHERE HE TURNED IN THAT BOOK, 25 YEARS THERE'S SOMETHING YEAH, I HAD A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF FINES OR SOMETHING ANYWHERE. I KNOW THAT, UM WHEN MY KIDS WOULD COME UP AND BOUGHT A LOT OF BOOKS AND WE BROUGHT OUR BUT WE BROUGHT THEM ALL BACK. BUT THEN I GOT AN EMAIL. IT'S LATE, AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT'S LATE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN I HAD REALIZED THAT WE DIDN'T RETURN ALL THE BOOKS, BUT THE EMAIL WAS GREAT BECAUSE THAT SPARKED ME TO KNOW BUT IF. IF THE PATRON DOES NOT RESPOND FROM THE EMAIL DESCEND LIKE A LETTER TO THEIR HOME WE SEND. THERE'S SEVERAL EMAILS GO OUT. YEAH, AND THEN EVENTUALLY WHEN IT GOES TO THE LAW STATUS IF THEY DO GET US A LETTER SENT YES. YOU DO, AND I KNOW WE'RE BEATING THIS DEAD HORSE, BUT BUT IF YOU DON'T IT'S LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER IF THEY CAN'T CHECKBOOKS OUT, THAT'S AN ACCOUNTABILITY FACTOR. BECAUSE NOW, I YOU KNOW , I CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE BOOKS OUT. CORRECT. I HAVEN'T BEEN RESPONSIBLE, SO RIGHT. YEAH. NO. UH, GETTING BACK TO WHAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF THE LATE BOOKS AND FINES ARE JUVENILES. TEENS. UH I THINK IT'S NOT PART OF ASSUME THAT MOST OF THESE THESE TEAMS ARE STUDENTS WITHIN WITHIN WILEY, OR MAYBE PLAYING OR OR OR GARLAND, UM IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY AND THIS IS JUST SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING, UH, ALL OF OUR CAMPUS LIBRARIES. THEY HAVE DROPPED BOXES FOR THEIR OWN MATERIALS. IS THERE THE POTENTIAL FOR HEAD SMALL DROPBOX OR HATE? IF IT'S A SMITH PUBLIC LIBRARY BOOK? YOU GOT IT IN YOUR BACKPACK. LEAVE IT RIGHT HERE. AND THEN THOSE THOSE BOOKS GET HANDED OFF FROM THE CAMPUSES BACK TO, UH SMITH. YES UM, WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK IT WOULD COORDINATE. YOU'RE TALKING STAFF TIME, YOU KNOW. WHICH IS A COST. I GOTTA SEND SOMEBODY OUT THERE TO GO GET THEM OR THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMEBODY TO COME AND BRING THEM TO US. UM AND WE'RE THAT CAMPUSES OFTEN ENOUGH. IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A BIG DEAL. 
          UM EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THOSE FURTHER OUT CAMPUSES. BUT EVEN THEN WE TEND TO HIT COX AND YOU KNOW BUSH PRETTY OFTEN, UM, AT SOME POINT DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR. SO, YEAH, THAT THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY. ESPECIALLY IF THE SCHOOL LIBRARIES LIBRARIAN IS AMENABLE. ANY MORE COMMENTS ON THIS MATTER. OKAY LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR JUNE 23 ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDA. THIS IS SAD BECAUSE HAVE MORE THAN HAVING YOU WON'T BE. SO BEFORE WE, UM GET TO THIS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. ROZ CARLA. CHRISTINE CHRISTINA. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR TIME AND TALENTS AND JUAN WHO'S NOT HERE WITH US TODAY, UM YOU'VE BEEN JUST SO WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME AND EFFORTS, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY TO GET HERE ON MONDAY NIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF AND READ ALL THIS STUFF, SO AND I JUST APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. SO I HOPE YOU KEEP COMING TO THE LIBRARY AND I HOPE IT KEEPS SEEING YOU AROUND BECAUSE WE'LL MISS YOU GUYS. UM FOR TASHA AND JUSTIN. UM WE'LL HAVE A NEW MEMBERS TO YOU'LL GET FIVE NEW FRIENDS NEXT MONTH. UM YES. SO, LIKE I MENTIONED WE HAVE A RETIRED LIBRARIAN IS ON THE BOARD. ONE OF OUR VERY ACTIVE TA MOMS IS COMING IN. WE HAVE A GENTLEMAN WHOSE MOM WAS A LIBRARIAN. SO HE GREW UP IN LIBRARIES. UM ONE OF OUR OTHER GENTLEMEN, IS AVID LIBRARY USER. 
          HE SAID HE C HE SAW HOW THE LIBRARY AFFECTED THE COMMUNITY. AND SO HE WANTED TO BE A PART OF THAT. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY GREAT. AND I'M FORGETTING WHO MY FINAL PERSON IS THEIR NAMES. AH! CAN I GIVE THAT UP? I THINK I CAN. I'LL TELL YOU LATER . OFF THE RECORD. YEP JUST IN CASE. I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SWORN IN THEIR SWORN IN 
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NEXT WEEK. SO YES. SO LET'S WAIT TILL THAT, UM, ANYWAY, BUT WE'RE GONNA WORK ON SOME POLICY FAMILIARIZATION, SO WE'LL GET MORE INTO THE WEEDS OF THAT COLLECTION DEVELOPMENT POLICY. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT PATRON BEHAVIOR IN THE MEETING WERE IN POLICY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THOSE ARE THE THREE BIGGIES THAT WE RELY ON THE MOST, UM, BROUGHT THE LIBRARY FY 24 BUDGET. THIS WOULD ACTUALLY APPLIED ANYBODY IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. THESE ARE THE NEXT BUDGET WORK SESSIONS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. UM AND IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF THE CITY IS TRYING TO BRING AMBULANCE SERVICE IN HOUSE. UM SO THAT'S CAUSING SOME BUDGETARY CHANNEL. CHANGES SO IT'S INTERESTING. YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED, AND YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST WATCH THE STREAMING IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE HERE IN PERSON. AND THEN, UM OH, MY GOODNESS. I STILL HAVE THE LOCAL GARDEN TOUR ON THERE. I NEED TO TAKE THAT OFF. THAT'S WAY LONGER. UM BUT WE DO HAVE THE BOOK SALE. I MENTIONED THAT AND THEN OUR NEXT MEETING IS MONDAY, JULY 24TH. AND THEN TOMORROW IS THE RECEPTION FOR THE OUTGOING MEMBERS AND FOR THE INCOMING MEMBERS, SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO MEET THE NEW PEOPLE EARLY, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO COME. YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMPLETELY OPTION DID YOU MISS THAT? I THINK THAT'S NO. IT'S A IT'S A 5 30 HERE. TOMORROW. YEAH AND THEY USUALLY HAVE THE BEST COOKIES. 
          Y'ALL LIKE IT'S TOTALLY WORTH THE BEST COOKIES LIKE REALLY GOOD LOOKING. HE'S NOT REALLY A SWEET PERSON. BUT THOSE COOKIES. IT'S WORTH PRICE OF ADMISSION RIGHT THERE. OKAY THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE SERVING ON THE LIBRARY BOARD MEETING ALL OF YOU AND A FAILURE. YOU'RE AWESOME. YOU DO IT TREMENDOUS JOB AND WE EVEN THOUGH WE ARE GOING, WE KNOW WE'LL BE BACK TO CONTINUE TO, UM, TO SUPPORT AND MAYBE WE'LL POP IN AND SAY HI. I LOVE THAT. OR I COULD CALL ON YOU FOREVER IN TROUBLE. BE LIKE THE BACK SIGNAL. NO JUST KIDDING, LITTLE THAT I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THE EXACT SAME THING. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD AND JUST SERVING THE LAST FEW YEARS, YOU KNOW, I RETIRED AND I KIND OF NEEDED SOMETHING TO KEEP ME ENGAGED. 
          AND THIS HAS BEEN THE PERFECT THING AND JUST I AGREE WITH CARLA, YOU'RE AMAZING. YOU DO AN AMAZING JOB WITH THE LIBRARY AND I'LL BE SEEING YOU BECAUSE I'LL BE. I'LL COME TO THE LIBRARY ONCE A WEEK OR SO GLAD GOOD. NEED TO GET MY FIX. OKAY? ANY MORE COMMENTS. OKAY WELL, IT IS . 805 P.M. AND WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AND DO ALL THAT? HANG ON, TASHA, TAKE OFF YOURS. THERE YOU GO. OKAY, GO AHEAD. WE ADJOURNED. AND I SECOND MOTION TO A JOURNEY. THEN MICHELLE WILL TURN ON OUR VOTERS VOTING. I THINK. MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN TO DO THAT. 6 TO 0. THIS
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