May 16, 2023 Planning and Zoning

[CALL TO ORDER]

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CAN I LIKE TO CALL THE ORDER? THE MAY 16TH 2023 WIDELY PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING. IT IS NOW SIX O'CLOCK. AND TONIGHT WE'LL HAVE THE INVOCATION BY COMMISSIONER BUTLER AND WE'LL HAVE THE PLEDGE, LED BY COMMISSIONER GRAZER, PLEASE RISE.

ALRIGHTY. SO OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A NON AGENDA ITEM YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES. AS NOBODY COMES FORWARD. WE WILL CLOSE THE COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS AND MOVE INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

AND WE PASSED 50 AND NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT COMMISSIONER SCRUBS AND COMMISSIONER LORRAINE OR ABSENT TONIGHT, BUT WE HAVE A QUORUM WITH FIVE. OKAY THEN WE HAVE ITEM ONE ON THE REGULAR

[1. Consider, and act upon, a Site Plan for Lot 6, Block A of 544 Gateway Addition, for a contractor’s maintenance yard and general office use on 1.19 acres. Property generally located to the east of the intersection of Business Way and Commerce Drive.]

PINK FOR SURE IS TO HAVE A NEED. QUESTIONS OR DOES THE IS THERE? A PRESENTATION OF ANY KIND? NO, OKAY. UM HMM. WE WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS LAST WAS THAT WAREHOUSE THERE? OR WAS IT JUST THE ONE BIG GRAVEL? IT WAS THERE. THE WAREHOUSE WAS THERE. YEAH, BUT NOW IT'S HIS OVERHEAD, IS IT? I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WHEN THEY ASKED FOR PERMISSION. TO PUT THE GRAVEL DOWN INSTEAD OF CONCRETE. THAT IT WAS GONNA BE FOR STORAGE. CORRECT NOW I SEE LOADING DOCKS AND I SEE OTHER THINGS. GRAVEL IS ONLY IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WHERE I CAN POINT OUT POINT TO IT. SO THIS IS WHERE THE GRAVEL WAS ALLOWED. THIS FIRE LANES ACTUALLY GONNA BE CONCRETE. ALL OF THIS IS RIGHT, BUT TO THE LEFT, SAYS LOADING CUSTOMER LOADING, AND THEN IT SAYS GRAVEL SURFACE.

SOMETHING TO THE LEFT. UP UNTIL THE LEFT RIGHT THERE. YEAH, THAT'S THAT NEW THAT WASN'T

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OKAY SO ON THE ZONING CASE, IT WAS NOT NOTED AS GRAVEL. BUT IF IT'S GOT WHEELS TRAFFIC ON IT, IT HAS TO BE CONCRETE. THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION ON THAT. AND I BELIEVE, MR BURN HAS THE SAME QUESTION. WHAT DO YOU KNOW? THE WAREHOUSE IS USED FOR MR DAYS RESTORES HIS HARDWARE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND THERE'S NO DIMENSIONAL LUMBER OR ANYTHING THAT'S THERE. THE OVERHEAD DOORS ARE FOR HIM TO ACCESS. YOU KNOW HIS HIS WAREHOUSE BACK THERE. UH THE REASON FOR THE CUSTOMER LOADING THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT FROM THE FARM MARSHALL FOR US TO SHOW LOCATION WHERE TRUCKS WOULD COME IN AND LOWER THEIR DIMENSIONAL NUMBER ON THE ON THE WHERE'S YOUR THE POINT OF IT.

OH, SORRY. YEAH. ONE BASKET IS VASQUEZ ENGINEERING 1919 SOUTH, SHALLOW ROAD GOVERNMENT. TEXAS 75042 FROM HERE REPRESENTING LANDON DAY. WHO'S THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROPERTIES? SO. NOW, JUST TO BE CLEAR. I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH THE LOADING DOES LOADING DOCK LOADING AREA. WHATEVER I'M CONCERNED WITH THE GRAVEL GRAVEL WAS A WAS GIVEN TO YOU AS A COURTESY. WE NEVER DO. WE NEVER DO THAT IN HERE. WHAT HOUSES WE ALL HAVE TO PUT CONCRETE IN FRONT OF THEM. ALL SORTS OF, I GUESS KIND OF ELABORATE ON THIS. THIS IS NOT A RETAIL FACILITY. SO IT'S LIKE YOU OR I DON'T GO UP THERE AND BUY LUMBER. THESE ARE THIS IS FOR OR HOMEBUILDERS. NO I GET IT. BUT IF THERE'S GOING TO BE CUSTOMERS THAT IT'S GOT TO BE CONCRETE, IS THERE ANY IN A WHEELED TRAFFIC ON IT EVER.

SOMEONE BACKS UP TO THE YOU KNOW, TO THE GARAGE DOOR OR SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE YOU ROCK AND GO THERE AND JUST PARKING. GO BUY LUMBER. I UNDERSTAND. MY CONCERN IS IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT BEING A RETAIL ACCESS, AS IF THERE ARE WHEELS CARS ON THERE. FOR ANY REASON IT NEEDS TO BE CONCRETE. THAT'S JUST AN ORDINANCE THING.

IT'S NOT AN OPINION HERE BECAUSE I'VE HAD PROJECTS. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE USED ALL GRAVEL ON AS WELL. UM YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT DEDICATED PARKING SPACES, YOU KNOW? AH! IT'S ANY VEHICLE'S GONNA BE TRAVELING AROUND BACK THERE CONCRETE. YOU'RE GONNA USE IT FOR STORAGE DIFFERENT STORY.

THAT'S WHY WE GAVE YOU THE GRAPH OF THE LAST TIME. SO ANYWHERE LIKE HERE WHERE IT SAYS ALL THAT STUFF HERE, CUSTOMER THIS SEMI WHAT IS THIS THING THAT SAYS, SEMI TRUCK LOADING, RIGHT? THAT HAS TO BE CONCRETE. IT IS GONNA BE A SEMI TRACTOR TRUCK PARKED THERE. IT CAN'T BE JUST GRAVEL.

YOU CAN'T GET IT CAN'T WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RE RELOOK AT THIS . THEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE VEHICLES BACK THERE FOR THE PURPOSE OF MOVING STUFF AROUND BUT GRAVELED LIKE IS THAT IT? YEAH, IT'S AN ACRE OF THE MAKER OF DIMENSIONAL LUMBER. NOBODY NOBODY IS SUGGESTING THAT THAT LARGE AREA UP IN THE CORNER. NOBODY'S SUGGESTING THAT GOES TO CONCRETE RIGHT REALIZED THAT THERE WILL BE SOME WHEELED TRAFFIC ON IT OCCASIONALLY, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE USED AS A PARKING SPOT THAT ONE ACRE THING NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT. IT'S ONLY THE AREA DOWN HERE, IT SAYS CUSTOMER LOADING THAT RIGHT THERE. IT'S THE PART THAT'S LEADING UP TO THE OVERHEAD DOORS. WE JUST DON'T DO, GRANDMA. YEAH THAT'S THE ONLY PART EVEN IF YOU JUST IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TRUCKS GOING BACK, JUST TWO LANES. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST WITH WITH THE COMMISSION BE OKAY IF THEY LANDSCAPED PART OF THAT, AND THEN JUST HAD TWO DRIVEWAYS, BASICALLY LEADING UP TO THE OVERHEAD DOORS WITH THAT. BE SUFFICIENT ON THE RIGHT OVER HERE. YEAH I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME SORT OF BARRIER, WHETHER IT'S LANDSCAPE OR FENCED OFF OR SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE VEHICLES IN THAT AREA AT ALL. THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION. THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING, BUT WE MADE IT. FORKLIFTS AND STUFF THAT ARE GOING, YOU KNOW IF WE MADE IT WHERE THE LANDSCAPING WAS LIKE CRUSHED GRANITE. WITH A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, TOO, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE DRIVING OVER THE GRASS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WHEN THEY PULL IN, PULL OUT RIGHT? IT COULD BE LIKE MINIMAL LANDSCAPING, ZERO ESCAPE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT IF YOU HAD TWO LANES. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. AND IF THEY JUST PUT TO BASICALLY WHAT AMOUNTS TO GRANTED? I DON'T I DON'T KNOW. SO I THINK THE MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS WE'RE ALL IN KIND OF AGREEMENT THAT WE GAVE A LOT OF GRAVEL AREA THAT WE NORMALLY DON'T DO, AND THERE'S THIS LITTLE SPOT THAT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE LOADING, LOADING WHOEVER'S DOING IT, SOMEBODY VEHICLES THERE, AND THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT JUST TWO LANES, I WOULD HAVE TO PUT A CAVEAT IN THERE, BUT THERE HAS TO BE SUFFICIENT. CONCRETE. TO MANEUVER. IN OTHER WORDS, I'M

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WHERE YOU KNOW WE CAN HAVE A DEDICATED SPACE WHERE IF YOUR PARKING ON IT, IT HAS TO BE CONCRETE. WE ALL HAD DONE. HE KEPT TELLING THEM. AND I'M SORRY. DISAPPEARANCES. SO WHAT? WE'RE ASKING JUST TO SUM IT UP IS WE'RE ASKING FOR THE CUSTOMER LOADING AREA, EVERYTHING FROM THE OVERHEAD DOOR. THROUGH THE FIRE LANE AND THEN THAT SEMI TRUCK LOADING TO BE CONCRETE AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THAT COULD STILL BE THE GRAVEL IN SUMMARY WHAT WE ARE SAYING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AGAIN. SHE WAS WHAT. I DIDN'T SPEAK CONCRETE. COUNTRY. THIS CONCRETE AND GRAVEL IS OKAY HERE. I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IF YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO CONCRETE, SOME OF THAT AREA LIKE WHERE THE WORD GRAVEL SURFACES RIGHT THERE. UNDER THE THIRTIES, THE BUSINESS DUMPSTER. PARDON NEXT TO THE DUMPSTER. WHERE'S THE DUMPSTER? RIGHT THERE? OH NO. I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT ABOUT THE SAME PLACE. THERE'S THE DEMPSTER. UP THERE IN THE TOP LEFT HAND CORNER.

KEVIN, CAN I BORROW YOUR POINTER? KEVIN? AH! THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I KNOW, RIGHT? OH, PERFECT, OKAY. SO THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. THE OVERHEAD DOORS ARE RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TRUCK TRAFFIC THERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE PARKING IN THIS AREA.

WHETHER YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF WHAT'S GOING ON. I THINK WE'RE ALL INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. BECOME CONCRETE. KIND OF IGNORE THIS AREA OVER HERE. RIGHT, BUT . THIS RIGHT HERE IF YOU'RE PARKING THE VEHICLE ON IT. BY CITY ORDINANCE, NOT BY OUR OPINIONS OR ANYTHING, BUT BY ORDINANCE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE CONCRETE, INCLUDING WHATEVER MANEUVERING ROOM. IT'S GOING TO TAKE HIM TO GET ONTO IT AND OFF OF IT. OTHERWISE IT'S JUST GOING TO RUN UP AT THE FRONT OR THE BACK. IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU COULD INCORPORATE THAT PARKING INTO THIS AREA THAT YOU'RE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE TO BE CONCRETE ID? YEAH WE COULD DO IT ON COULD DO IT ON THEIR OWN SIDE. YEAH I MEAN AGAIN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONCRETE THIS PIECE OVER HERE, WE COULD DO IT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE COULD DO SOME OF THE OPPOSITE SIDE BEHIND THE DUMPSTER. OVER ON THIS SIDE. JUST CONCRETE IN ONE SIDE. YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE THIS WHOLE L SHAPED OR SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT? LIKE THAT? YEAH ALSO OVER YOUR MINIMUM FIRING IS 24 FT WIDE THAT THAT'S THAT'S 30 FT. RIGHT HERE. THAT'S THE PAVING EDGE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE GONNA STRIPE IT UNDERSTAND? UM TAN, MINIMUM FIRE LANE 30, WHERE THERE'S AN OVERHEAD DOOR. NO, THAT'S THE ENTRANCE. WHICH THE ENTRANCES ARE 30, BUT I DON'T I HAVE A

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THAT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S GOT NEXT TO OVERHEAD DOORS OR IS IT MANEUVERABILITY BECAUSE IT'S NOT FROM HEIGHTS WERE ONLY SINGLE STORIES. OKAY? NO WE DON'T NEED TO HIDE THE HEIGHT FOR THAT, DARLING. YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT IS TYPICAL OVER 30 30. FT DEPENDS ON THESE PALLETS, USUALLY 30 FT OR HIGHER AND IT GOES FROM 24 TO 26 ALONG ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THE 30 FT COMES FROM THE FACT THAT IT'S LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. AH OKAY. IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S ALLY. OKAY, SO THEN, UM SO THEN, I THINK. ARE WE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? LITTLE CONCRETE. THAT ONTARIO RIGHT THERE AREA AND THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. MOVE YOUR SEMI PARKING OR OVER THERE. AND NOW THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE. I'M GOING TO JUMP AHEAD HERE. THAT SAYS IT'S A DUMPSTER THAT DOESN'T RIGHT THERE. IT DOESN'T SAY IT'S A DUMPSTER, BUT IT'S THE SAME SIZE AS THAT NOTE ON TOP THERE. IF YOU MISS IT, IT'S ALL REVIEW. PUT YOUR QUARTERBACK AT THE DUMPSTER AND JUST GO STRAIGHT UP TO PAGE. NO I JUST CAN'T READ. I'M ONLY BLIND IN ONE EYE. I CAN'T SEE OUT OF THE OTHER THE THAT'LL BE A DUMPSTER THERE FOR THE FUTURE PHASE. WHENEVER THOSE BUILDINGS GO IN THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS HAVING DONE DUMPSTERS IN THE CITY A LOT A LOT. UM C W. D IS THE COMPANY OF CHOICE RIGHT NOW AND ON THEIR STANDARD. THEY ONLY REQUIRE A 10 BY 10 INSIDE. HMM. SO ARE YOU PUTTING TWO DUMPSTERS IN THIS? JUST ONE? OKAY SO THEN MY ONLY POINT IS JUST 10 BY 10 IS THE MINIMUM. IF PLANNING ALLOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. BUT OF TIMES. THEY JUST DO JUST SO THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH ROOM WHEN THEY THROW THE AND THAT PART OF THE AWARE THAT THAT'S THE MINIMUM THAT THAT THE COMPANY THAT WE USE REQUIRES OTHER THAN THAT ON. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD, AND I THINK JASON MAY HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED IT. FOR ME. THIS MIGHT BE A KEVIN AND JASON QUESTION IS THAT THIS IS STILL IN L I, BUT THIS L SHAPED IS 24 INSTEAD OF 30. IT. IS IT BECAUSE THERE WERE NO OVERHEAD DOORS ON THAT SIDE.

WELL, THAT'S. THAT ROAD THAT RUNS SALUTE PANIC AND EXPLORE EXPAND ON THAT, BUT THAT THE ONLY CITY RIGHT WHERE WE HAVE ONLY TWO DRIVER WE HAVE IS ON COMMERCE TRIED. THAT'S THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, RIGHT? OH, NO , IT'S NOT. NO, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC RIGHT AWAYS. WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT FIRE LANES. AND IF THEY'RE TELLING ME THAT, YEAH. THE 24 FT FIRE LANE ON THE PHASE TWO GENERAL OFFICE BUILDINGS BECAUSE IT'S JUST A GENERAL OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH IS CONSIDERED IT'S CONSIDERED. YEAH IT'S THE USE NOT JUST THE ZONING, LIKE THE LUMBERYARD ITSELF IS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TYPE OF USE, AND THE GENERAL OFFICE IS A COMMERCIAL TYPE OF USE, AND IT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN LIGHT. INDUSTRIAL. YOU'RE GOOD. I'M GOOD. ALL RIGHT. UM THE OTHER LAST QUESTION I HAD WAS IN. THIS NOTE RIGHT HERE. IT SAYS THE. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO BE SERVED BY AND REGIONAL DETENTION POND. TO BE LOCATED ON LOT FOUR YES, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THAT KNUCKLE. THAT IS A LOT FOR THIS IS A LOT FOR RIGHT THERE. THAT'S YESTERDAY. WHAT ROBBIE BENEATH THAT THAT'S A LOT FOR RIGHT THERE, OKAY? AND MY FRIEND BEHIND ME WHO? WHO DIDN'T WANT TO COME UP THIS AFTERNOON, MR JASON, HE CAN. HE CAN ANSWER THAT. OKAY BUT IT'S BEEN SERVED OVER HERE. ALL CDC THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S THAT'S NO WORRIES. I MEAN, ALL IN ALL, I THINK IT'S A GREAT USE OF THE PROPERTY. UH WE ONLY HAD THE ONE ISSUE IN THAT AREA RIGHT THERE. AND, UM. ALL MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. OKAY, WHO BELONGS TO THIS? LET'S GIVE IT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MHM. COMMISSIONERS DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? HMM OKAY, THEN, BASED UPON WHAT OUR DISCUSSIONS HAVE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT WITH THE CAVEAT OF CONCRETE IN THE AREA IN QUESTION. OR THERE'LL BE TRAFFIC. WE NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. NO NO, I NEED A MOTION THAT WE, UM IF YOU JUST LABEL IT BECAUSE IT'S LABELED RIGHT NOW THE CUSTOMER LOADING AREA

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DEALING WITH THE CUSTOMER LOADING AREA OF BEING HEY, CONCRETE. IT OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY. COMMISSIONER GOUCHER . WE HAVE A 2ND 2ND. WE'LL HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BUTLER.

PLEASE VOTE. AND YOU PAST 50. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF HERE.

COOPERATION ON THAT. OKAY? MHM AND. OKAY? THAT IT FINISHES OUR AGENDA. AH! DO EVERY OTHER NEWS ANNOUNCEMENT ANNOUNCEMENTS THERE WILL BE A MEAN ON JUNE 6TH, OKAY? WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'M OVER HERE DURING THE IT WAS WHO HAVE EMOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOOSE, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BUTLER. PLEASE VOTE. HMM. LOOK AT THAT WERE UNANIMOUS AGAIN. WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.