[CALL TO ORDER]
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GOOD WE'LL CALL THE ORDER OF THE MAY 2ND 2023 WILDLY PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING. IT IS 601 BY MY COMPUTER HERE. WE'LL START OFF TONIGHT WITH THE INVOCATION BY COMMISSIONER GUCCI AND THE PLEDGE BY COMMISSIONER BYRNE. PLEASE RISE.
THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY AND THE FIRST THING TONIGHT IS COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS WHO HAVE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A NON AGENDA ITEM. YOU CAN COME FORWARD AND HAVE THREE MINUTES AND AS NOBODY IS RUSHING THE STAGE, WE WILL PASS UP. THE COMMENTS. ON NON AGENDA ITEMS
[CONSENT AGENDA]
AND BRING UP THE CONSENT AGENDA . COMMISSIONERS DO HAVE ANYTHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT NEEDS TO BE PULLED FOR MORE DISCUSSION. NOPE OKAY, THEN WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION MOVIE EXCEPT THAT CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOOD. SECOND WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GREISER.[1. Consider, and act upon, a Site Plan for Lot 1, Block A of Stealth BTS Addition, for a warehouse distribution use on 7.654 acres. Property generally located at 2200 W Alanis Dr.]
OKAY 70 PAST AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM ONE. ONE MOMENT. NO. HERE WE GO. ITEM ONE, OKAY? CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A SITE PLAN FOR LOT ONE BLOCK A OF STEALTH BTS EDITION FOR A WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION USE ON 7654. 7000. SEVEN POINT I'M SORRY THAT YOUR COMPUTER GLASSES I KNOW I NEED MY COMPUTER GLASSES. I KNOW. TO MUCH LARGER . 7.654 PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED AT 2200, WEST ALLEN EAST DRIVE. KEVIN YES. OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE REGULAR AGENDA IS A SITE PLAN FOR THE STEALTH BTS. UH, WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION DEVELOPMENT. LAST MONTH COUNCIL APPROVED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AND PNC DID LOOK AT THIS. THE SITE PLAN DOES MATCH WHAT WAS APPROVED WITH US. YOU PEE IN TERMS OF THE SITE DESIGN AS WELL AS THE ELEVATIONS AND THE LANDSCAPING. UM THIS DEVELOPMENT IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE SCREENING ALONG THE FRONTAGE, AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE LOADING DOCKS THAT THEY HAVE. ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. AND. THAT AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU WANT TO. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND THE PRELIMINARY, PLATT WAS ALSO IN THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WELL. THANK YOU. KEVIN THE, UM AM I ON? THE FILINGS ARE WIDE ENOUGH. YES THEY ARE. IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT THE PLOTS AROUND THE BUILDING FIRE LANES TO FDS. FINE WITH IT. YES. I HAVE ONE MINOR COMMENTS IN THE RIGHT UP.FIFTH PARAGRAPH. DEVELOPMENT HAS TO ACCENT POINTS. OH IT'S ACCESS POINTS, SO.
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DOES THE OWNER HAVE A PRESENTATION THEY WANT TO MAKE NO. NOT KNOWING WHAT IS GOING TO GO INTO THE WAREHOUSE THIS TIME. AND I'M LOOKING AT THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE BACK THERE ON THE SIZE OF THIS IS THAT GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT? WHAT? PDF PAGE ARE YOU ON? NINE. HMM. THE DUMPSTER IS LOCATED AT THE REAR. I'M POINTING AT IT ON MY HMM. UM I CAN'T SAY THIS. WE CITY. THE CITY DOESN'T REQUIRE DUMPSTERS IN GENERAL, AND WE LEAVE IT UP TO THE APPLICANT. UM TO PROVIDE WHAT THEY FEEL IS ADEQUATE. UM, IF IT. THERE IS A CITY ORDINANCE AND MY CODE ENFORCEMENT FOLKS WOULD BE ENFORCING THAT. SO UM IF IT'S NOT ADEQUATE. WE'LL KNOW SOON. AND THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. IF THAT'S AN ADEQUATE ANSWER. IT IS JUST LIKE TO, UH HEAR FROM THEM. IF THEY NEED, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE THIS TO BE AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE. SO THEY GO WHERE SECOND WE NEED TO MAKE IT BIGGER, SMALLER, ADD MORE WHATEVER. LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNSEL. THIS IS A SITE PLAN, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO GO TO COUNCIL. YOU'LL HAVE FINAL APPROVAL TODAY. TRACE KILLIAN'S WORTH AT 49 TO 5 GREENVILLE AVENUE, SUITE . 9 15, DALLAS, TEXAS, 75 TO 06.UM, IT IS. THE RIGHT SIZE. THERE'S NOT REALLY A TON OF TRASH GENERATED BY THIS. IT'S REALLY JUST TAKING IN LIKE ALUMINUM FRAMES. PUTTING A COAT OF LIKE A LAMINATE ON IT AND THEN SENDING IT OUT THE NORTH SIDE SO NOT TOO MUCH TRASH IS GENERATED GENERATED BY THIS OPERATION, SO IT IS SCIENCE ADEQUATELY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. CAN WE GOTTA DRAINAGE? PLOT FOR THIS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WETNESS OVER THERE IN THE BACK OF THAT PROPERTY, RIGHT? LINKS UP WITH THAT. WATER SPILLAGE AREA THAT GOES DOWN ON YES. SO WE'VE GOT.
UM SO WE'VE GOT INLETS. KIND OF ALL THROUGHOUT THE SITE HERE. YOU'VE GOT TO ON THIS EAST SIDE AND TWO ON THE SOUTH SIDE. TWO MORE ON THE NORTH. AND THEN I BELIEVE IT'S FIVE OVER HERE ON THE WEST. UM AND THEN THE TRAINING JOB HARBOR ROOF IS GOING TO BE COLLECTED AND DISTRIBUTED TO THAT MAIN STORM PIPE RUNNING ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE, AND THEN THAT IS ALL GOING TO BE PIPED UP. REAL UM TO THE NELSON PROPERTY, WHICH IS THREE PROPERTIES NORTH IN A DRAIN ACHIEVEMENT. SO YOU'RE ELEVATING THIS PROPERTY? IT'S. UM SLIGHT AND RETAINING WALLS UP. AND YOU? YEAH BACKFILLING. WE'LL HAVE RETAINING WALLS ALONG THE I KNOW IT DROPS OFF DROPS OFF THE ROAD THERE DRAMATICALLY. THAT'S RIGHT. WE'LL HAVE RETAINING WALLS ON THIS WEST SIDE HERE, UM AND BUILDING UP THE SITE. WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY COMPLAINTS THAT THEY'RE FLOODING OUT THE OKAY? THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OTHER THAN THE DRAINAGE. UM HOW ARE YOU? SLOWING IT DOWN? COMING OUT? I MEAN, I 100. I REMEMBER RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO EXPEL WATER. IN THE SAME. AMOUNT OF TIME. CAN YOU ANSWER THE ANSWER ABOUT THE DRAINAGE? YES WHEN WE READ THE SIDE PLAN THAT WAS CONCERNED OF ARTS DRAINAGE. RIGHT NOW. THEY HAVE, AS GENTLEMEN MENTIONED.
HE'S GOT SEVERAL INLETS PLACED THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. NONE ALL THE WIZARD SIDE BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THEY WORK WITH THE WATER AND THERE'S A DETENTION PAWN. IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. THE ACTUAL SPECIFICS OF THAT WE HAVE YOU IN THE CIVIL FIRES, WHATEVER THEY DO, SUBMIT IT. GETTING THIS SCI FI APPROVAL. OKAY SO WE'RE NOT JUST PUSHING IT OUT OF NO, NO, IT'S I THINK THEY OWN BOTH LOTS.
YES. GOT IT. THANK YOU. THIS YES. I JUST KNOW THAT WE GET A LOT OF INTEREST FROM PEOPLE DOWNSTREAM. IN THAT THAT SIDE? YES AND WE HAVE A DRAINAGE AND TIMING STUDY THAT WE'RE GOING TO
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SUBMIT WITH OUR GOVERNMENT'S PLAN OR SEVERAL APPLICATIONS. FOR THE SCREEN WALL. ARE YOU PLAYING AND USED THE TREES? THE SCREEN THE PARKING FOR THE TRUCKS. SO WE DO HAVE A LANDSCAPE SCREENING ALONG THIS NORTH SIDE HERE. UM SO IT'S A BUNCH OF TREES AND SHRUBS THAT ARE LINING THIS NORTHERN SIDE HERE. UM AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE HERE. BETWEEN US AND THE MOBILE HOME PARK. WE'VE UH, EIGHT FT. BOARD ON BOARD WOOD FENCE. BUT YES, I JUST WONDER IF THE TREES WILL BE SUFFICIENT SCREENING. THE DARK AREA RIGHT THERE. AT THE FRONT FRONT OF NORTHSIDE THAT THE TREE SCREENING AND THE LANDSCAPING THAT THEY'VE DONE. UM WE FEEL MEDIA THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WHEN IT WAS APPROVED BY PNC AND COUNCIL.ARE WE JUST USING AWNINGS FOR ARTICULATION ON THIS? THEIR CANOPIES ALONG THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE WESTERN SIDE. THEY'LL BE LIKE, UM, ALUMINUM STATION. HEY. COMMISSIONERS DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR EITHER THE PRESENTER OR THE STAFF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY? ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE HIS PRESENTED A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GREISER. I SECOND THE MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOOD. PLEASE VOTE.
AND 70 YOU PASS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT. SO ITEM NUMBER TWO. HOLD A PUBLIC
[2. Hold a Public Hearing, consider and act upon a recommendation to City Council regarding the writing of an Ordinance to amend the City of Wylie Zoning Ordinance, Articles 5.1 Land Use Charts, 5.2 Listed Uses, 7.0 General Development Regulations, as they relate to Smoke Shops, Smoking Establishments and Alcohol uses. (Part 1 of 2)]
HEARING. CONSIDER AN ACT UPON A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE WRITING OF AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE CITY OF WILEY ZONING ORDINANCES. ORDINANCE ARTICLES. 5.1 LAND VIEWS CHARTS. AND 5.2 LISTED USES. 7.0 GENERAL DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. AS THEY RELATE TO SMOKE SHOP SMOKING ESTABLISHMENTS AND ALCOHOL AND USES KEVIN. NOPE NOPE. NOPE I'M GONNA JUMP IN ONCE. UM, SO IF YOU REMEMBER BACK IN FEBRUARY, WE BROUGHT THIS, YOU KNOW, JUST A GENERAL OUTLINE OF THE IDEA OF ALL OF THESE THINGS AND EVERYBODY KIND OF SHOOK THEIR HEAD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GIVE STAFF UM THE ABILITY TO GO AHEAD AND FORWARD AND SPEND SOME TIME IN RIGHT THE ORDINANCES SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS THOSE ARE LISTED IN THE REPORT ABOUT THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE TRIED TO ACCOMPLISH. UM WITH SMOKE SHOPS, YOU KNOW, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE THOSE WERE ALLOWED UNDER GENERAL MERCHANDISE. UM AND YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF FELT THAT SOMETIMES THOSE GET LOCATED IN AREAS THAT MIGHT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF WILEY. UM SO WE'VE CREATED A SMOKE SHOP. USE, UM RECOMMENDED THAT THEY BE PUT IN CERTAIN AREAS WITH AN SUV THAT'S COMMERCIAL AREAS AND THEN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BY RIGHT UM, AND THEN ALSO CREATED THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FROM SCHOOLS AND FROM EACH OTHER. UM WE ALSO CREATED USE CALLED SMOKING ESTABLISHMENTS, WHICH IS LIKE EITHER CIGAR SHOPS OR I'M SORRY, A CIGAR LOUNGE OR WHO CAN LOUNGE UM, THAT CREATES THOSE USES, UM , PUTS THEM IN, UH MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS BY SPECIAL USE, PERMIT AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS BY RIGHT AND ALSO CREATES A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT. THE LAST THING WE DID WAS WE ADDED THAT THEY WOULD BE STAND ALONE. UM THAT WOULD BE HARD TO BE IN STANDALONE STRUCTURES. UM THAT'S DEBATABLE ON WHETHER THAT'S ACTUALLY NEED IT OR NOT, THE THING IS THE BUILDING CODE IS REALLY, REALLY TIGHT ON IF YOU PUT A ESTABLISHMENT THAT HAS THAT ALLOW SMOKING INSIDE OF A STRIP MALL. UM YOU CAN END UP WITH, UM. MATERIAL I GUESS. YOU KNOW, SMOKE GOING INTO THE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, ADJOINING[00:15:07]
BUSINESSES. IN ORDER TO IT'S EXPENSIVE, BUT IT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED WHERE THAT ISN'T NEEDED. UM SO WE COULD GET RID OF THAT BECAUSE THE BUILDING CODE COVERS IT. BUT WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS JUST A GOOD PLACE TO START THAT THEY NEEDED TO BE STAND ALONE BECAUSE THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE UM , ISSUE OF NEIGHBORS COMPLAINING THAT HEY, YOU KNOW, MY BUSINESS IS BEING IS SUFFERING BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS WENT IN NEXT DOOR. UM AS FAR AS ALCOHOL USES. GO AS YOU KNOW. BREWERIES, BREWPUBS, WINERIES AND DISTILLERIES ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT BY STATE LAW. UM WHAT WE DID WAS WE, UM, CREATED WE, YOU KNOW, WE PUT THOSE IN NON RESIDENTIAL AREAS CREATED THOSE USES BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE USES BEFORE, BUT WE PRETTY MUCH HAD TO ALLOW THEM, UM AND WE ALSO CREATED SPECIAL USE PERMIT CONDITIONS. IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY WANT TO DO AN EVENT CENTER, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE THAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR. WANTS TO MAKE IT A DESTINATION. WELL THEN, ONCE THEY DO THAT, WE CAN PUT A CONDITION ON IT TO MAKE IT SPECIAL USE PERMIT. UM SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE CREATED IN THE IN THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. UM. AND THEN LASTLY, BASICALLY, WE JUST TOOK THE ALCOHOL PROVISIONS. THEY WERE SPREAD OUT ALL OVER. USE FIVE. IT DEPENDED ON RESTAURANTS , BEER, PAIRING BEER AND WINE PACKAGE. SALES. UM UM, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER USES THAT REQUIRED UM, THIS JUST A LAUNDRY LIST OF DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAD. WE TOOK ALL OF THOSE AND PUT THEM ALL INTO JUST ONE AREA IN ARTICLE SEVEN. AND AS YOU KNOW, ARTICLE SEVEN IS KIND OF LIKE OUR ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS. UM YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE TREE PRESERVATION THERE. THE NOISE ORDINANCES IN THERE. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER THING. HEY, IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE BUSINESSES, HERE'S ALL YOUR RULES. YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW FOR ALCOHOL, SO WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A LOGICAL PLACE TO PUT IT.THAT WAY. IF WE DO HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES OF THAT, IN THE FUTURE, WE DON'T HAVE FIVE PLACES. WE HAVE TO GO HUNTING DOWN AND POSSIBLY MISS ONE. WE'VE GOT IT ALL IN THE SAME AREA. UM AND THEN, LASTLY, WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ACTUAL CULT IFIED REQUIREMENTS FOR AN IF APPLICANT WANTS TO REQUEST A VARIANCE FROM COUNCIL NORMALLY FOR ALCOHOL USE IS NORMALLY THEY DO THAT BASED ON DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS. UM YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE CHURCH'S OKAY WITH THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW, A RESTAURANT WITH ALCOHOL USE IS GOING TO BE NEXT DOOR, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCEDURE. IN THE PAST. WE'VE ALWAYS JUST USED RZB. OH, A REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW. METAL LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE THOUGHT WE'D CREATE A ACTUAL PROCESS. UM WHAT WE CREATED WAS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN WHAT IS NORMALLY REQUIRED. BY Z BOAS.
BOAS NORMALLY ZONING CASE ALL THE NEIGHBORS, EVERYBODY WITHIN 200 FT GETS NOTIFIED. UM IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS WELL PUT. THE WILL PUBLISH A NOTICE IN THE PAPER SAYING THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL. ACTUALLY IT'S NOT EVEN A PUBLIC HEARING IS JUST A REQUEST TO COUNSEL. UM AND THEN ALSO NOTIFY THE PARTICULAR ENTITY WHETHER IT'S A CHURCH SCHOOL DAYCARE THAT HEY, BY THE WAY, THIS PARTICULAR PLACES COMING IN UM WE CAN ALSO NOTIFY THE REST OF THE AREA. YOU KNOW IF IT'S THE DESIRE OF PNC AND COUNCIL, WE JUST YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T THINK ABSOLUTELY. AT THAT POINT, IT'S NECESSARY FOR THAT REQUEST. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE SO WE CAN DISCUSS THESE THINGS. AND THAT'S ALL FOR THE MAJOR ITEMS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, SO THAT WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YOU GET ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK BY NOT DOING THE BLANKET NOTIFICATION. I'M SURE SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE MIGHT GET UPSET. UM YOU KNOW? I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO JUST APPLY THE GENERAL RULE, SOMEBODY'S ALWAYS NOT HAPPY, BUT THAT'S OKAY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE BUSINESS, SO I ONLY INPUT. I HAVE IT IS. I GUESS. FOR LIKE THE SMOKE SHOTS, ESTABLISHMENTS. IT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE S U P EXCEPT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. WHY DID WE TAKE OUT WHY IS LIGHTING DOES SHOW BY RIGHT UM, COUPLE OF REASONS IS WE ALREADY HAVE ESTABLISHED USES THAT ARE CONSIDERED THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED DETRIMENTAL TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE. THEY THERE'S A LOT OF THEM. THAT ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL YEAH. BODY SHOPS BECAUSE THEY PAINT BOOTS IN THEM . UM YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE TO MEET E P A REQUIREMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING TO CONTAIN IT. UM AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, UM WE HAVE A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT FROM EACH OTHER. SO IF WE SAY THEY'RE ALLOWED IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BY, RIGHT, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY OF THEM THAT CAN GO THERE BEFORE YOU RUN INTO A SITUATION WHERE THEY JUST CAN'T BE ANYMORE. BECAUSE, MIKE I MEAN MY CONCERN IS OBVIOUSLY THE HEALTH AND SAFETY WELL BEING, BUT IT'S ALSO I THINK A PART OF THIS HAS ALLOWS US KIND OF SOME DISCRETION ON WHERE THESE GO GENERAL. AND, UM YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU DON'T WANT THEM NECESSARILY IN THE ENTRANCE TO YOUR CITY, UM THAT'S MY OPINION
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. MAYBE NOBODY ELSE HEARS OF THAT. BUT THERE'S SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL THAT IS ON MAJOR THOROUGHFARES THAT IF YOU SAY OKAY, NOW YOU'RE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT? MM HMM. THEN THEY'RE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT, SO YEAH, AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ON THE ONLY THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AS WHERE IT IS THE DISTILLERIES. REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THE BREWERIES AND DISTILLERIES. EVERYBODY WAS OKAY WITH THE IDEA OF BY WRITING IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL UM, BUT WE NEVER TALKED ABOUT THE SMOKE SHOPS. ABOUT WHERE? SURE, OKAY. WE CAN MAKE THEM ALL S UPS. IF THAT'S YOU KNOW, PNDS DESIRE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL I HAD ONE OTHER PEOPLE SIMPLE. FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF REQUESTS FOR THE DISTILLERY AND BREWERY THAT WAS INVOLVED THOSE FOOD TRUCKS? YES HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THE NEW DAY WOULD REQUIRE S UPS IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO. AND ITS FOOD TRUCK SERVED ALCOHOL. THERE THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO JUST MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS. BY THE STATE LAW OR I'M JUST SAYING WHAT WE'RE NOT. WE'RE PREPARED FOR THAT. I'M SAYING YES. OKAY, SO IT'S NOT GONNA IT'S NOT A LOOPHOLE IN THE THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH, I'M SAYING OKAY. 11 QUICK QUESTION. A LOT OF THESE SMOKE SHOPS ARE GOING TO BE AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LOUNGER THE HOOPS. YOU KNOW, NOT OKAY, THAT'S A SMOKING ESTABLISHMENT. SMOKE ACTUALLY SEPARATED THOSE OUT AS TWO SEPARATE USES. THE SMOKING ESTABLISHMENT IS WHAT IS THAT THE ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, MAKING IT STAND ALONE.YES OF THESE ARE GOING TO BE SMALLER. BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO GO BUILD A STAND ALONE BUILDING. WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IF WE COULD NOT USER REQUIREMENT WITH A FILTRATION SYSTEM, AND NOW WHEN I'M DOING, UM, WALLS IN A BUILDING THAT'S NOT SPRINKLE WE HAVE TO DO FIREWALLS ONE HOUR OR TWO OUR WALLS TO OUR WALLS IN A NON SPRINKLED BUILDING. YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO A SMOKE SEAL OR WHEN I SAY WE CAN DO, WE COULD REQUIRE A SMOKE SEAL AND WE COULD ALSO REQUIRE IS A TEST. SO THE BUILDING CODE? YEAH ALREADY . I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND THE PLANS EXAMINER ABOUT THIS. AND THEY SAID THAT HAVING IT AS STAND ALONE WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE APPLICANT TO KNOW. HEY, YOU CAN JUST DO THIS. UM HOWEVER , THAT BEING SAID THEY WERE OPEN TO THE IDEA THAT YES, YOU COULD DO IT IN A STRIP MALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, HOWEVER. THE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE NEXT PLANE IT TO ME, BUT I FORGOT TO THIS. YOU KNOW, AS YOU LIKE TO SAY I SLEPT SINCE IN, UM , BUT IT'S A MUCH HIGHER I MEAN THE TURNOVER RATE ON THE AIR. IS MUCH HIGHER AND IT GETS REALLY EXPENSIVE REALLY FAST. UM SO BUT IT CAN BE DONE SO WE CAN TAKE THAT OUT, AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PUT IT IN AS A REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE ZONING AUDIENCE BECAUSE THE BUILDING CODE TAKES CARE OF OKAY, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, JUST WATCHING OUT FOR THE SMALLER COMPANIES BECAUSE FIRST TO DO A GROUND UP. ITS COST FOR HEROIN. YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT A 5000 SQUARE FOOT FOR SWEET BUILDING AND WE WERE RED 1.3 MILLION, NOT EVEN BREAKING A SWEAT THAT WHAT WE LOOKED AT, AND SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE THIS ORDINANCE DO IT THIS WAY, AND WHEN I TALK TO THEM THEY'RE THOUGHT BEHIND. IT WAS TO ENCOURAGE THESE KIND OF FOLKS TO EITHER. IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE A STRIP MALL, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IN THE MONEY AND TIME AND EFFORT TO HAVE THEIR THEIR AIR RECYCLERS UP TO CODE OR FIND AN EXISTING BUILDING AND RENOVATE. YEAH AND THAT WAS THEIR THEIR THOUGHT WHEN THEY DID IT, AND IT MADE SENSE TO ME THINKING ABOUT IT AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. I MEAN, AT THIS POINT. IF YOU KNOW WE FEEL LIKE IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE. WE JUST WANT TO STRIKE THAT AND LET THEM DECIDE WHERE THEY WANT TO GO. THAT'S THAT'S I THINK THAT, UM MY PERSONAL OPINION JUST BECAUSE I'VE ACTUALLY DONE THIS STUDY TO DO ONE OF THESE FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT GUYS, AND THEY STAND ALONE BUILDING WAS JUST COST PROHIBITIVE FOR THEM BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE GUYS ARE DOING THIS AS A SECOND INCOME OR SOMETHING TO RETIRE INTO. AND SO IT'S STANDALONE BUILDING. IT'S JUST YOU MIGHT AS WELL TELL THEM NO. I DON'T WANT TO STRIKE THE SOUTH OR THE STAND ALONE, BUT I THINK THAT WE JUST HIGHLIGHT THE AIR QUALITY STANDARDS IN A STRIP AREA. AND REQUIRE SOME SORT OF A TESTING. THE BUILDING CODE BUILDING CODE COVERS THAT OKAY. THEN ALONE FOR EVERYTHING. TO SEE IT. WE COULD. BUT WE DON'T WANNA WE DON'T WANT TO COPY. WE DON'T WANT TO PUT BUILDING CODE IN ANOTHER SPOT TO BECAUSE OF BUILDING CODE CHANGES. YEAH I HONESTLY FEEL THE BEST THING TO DO IS THAT IF WE WANT TO JUST LEAN BACK ON THE BUILDING CODE. WHEN THEY DON'T WANT TO DO STAND
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ALONE. WE JUST TAKE IT OUT. BECAUSE THEN I AGREE THAT WAY. OKAY TAKE OUT THE STANDALONE.OKAY? WE CAN DO THAT, OKAY? ONE OF THE THINGS SHE'S YOU'RE A TEMP, REFERRING TO WITH THE SMOKING ESTABLISHMENTS. YOU REFERRED TO US AS BEING IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
NONRESIDENTIAL? YES. GET MY SORRY IF I DID SAY RESIDENTIAL I MET NONRESIDENTIAL, OKAY? NO. NO AND THE REASON THE REASON THAT WE DON'T DO THAT IS BECAUSE OF, UM THERE IS RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ANYBODY WHO GETS TO A CERTAIN LEVEL OF REVENUE.
YEAH, JUST TALKING ABOUT IT. OKAY COMMISSIONERS. DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MINDLESS THING IS JUST BACK TO THE SMOKE SHOP THING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE'S OPINION ON TAKING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OUT. THAT WAS JUST MY DON'T MAKE IT ESPECIALLY USED PERMIT. JUST REMOVING IT BASICALLY S U P IN ANY LOCATION. I CAN GO WITH THAT. I WOULD AGREE. S U P.
DO WE HAVE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS IN HERE? I THOUGHT I REMEMBER. YEAH, THE BETWEEN EACH OTHER YES FOR SMOKE SHOPS. IT'S 1500 FT AND SMOKING ESTABLISHMENTS. IT'S 500 FT. COMMISSIONERS. ARE WE GOOD? OKAY I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THIS IS GOING STRAIGHT TO COUNSEL. SO NOW IS THE TIME IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU I'VE COVERED EVERYTHING MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT . WELL NO, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS THE FINAL EDITION AFTER OUR WORKSHOP, SO I WORK SESSION, OKAY? THAT SAID, WELL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. TO APPROVE.
AS AMENDED. MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE HIS AMENDED BY COMMISSIONER GRAZER SECOND, WHERE THEY SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BUTLER. PLEASE VOTE. AND WE PASSED 70. UM. OKAY HOLD THE WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS A POTENTIAL CHANGE OF ZONING
[WS1. Hold a Work Session to discuss a potential change of zoning from Neighborhood Services to Planned Development (PD-Mixed Use) on approximately 14.24 acres, generally located on the southeast corner of Country Club Road and Park Boulevard.]
FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT. PETE THE DISH MIXED USE ON APPROXIMATELY 14.24 ACRES GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF COUNTRY CLUB ROAD AND PARK BOULEVARD. YES. OR LAST ITEM AND THE FOR THE FOR THE MEETING TONIGHT IS A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF COUNTRY CLUB ROAD AND PARK BOULEVARD. THE PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BUFFERED BY TOWN HOMES, AND THE APPLICANT HAS PREPARED A PRESENTATION.GOOD EVENING. UM I'M NOT ACTUALLY THE ONE WHO YOUR WE UNFORTUNATELY HAD SOME UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES WITH THE ENGINEER AND DESIGNER OF THIS PROJECT, BUT I'M TOM GRINER WITH YOUNGER PARTNERS 14643, DALLAS PARKWAY. DALLAS AND OWNERSHIP IS HERE, BUT I'LL TRY TO TRY TO AT LEAST GET THROUGH THE INITIAL PORTION OF THIS JUST TO HELP AND TRY TO HELP ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN IT FOR MANY YEARS. DIFFERENT OWNERS, DIFFERENT DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED FOR IT SO WE CAN WE CAN TRY AND GET THROUGH. THIS IS THE BEST POSSIBLE. SO UH, I'M NOT SURE HERE. LET'S SEE. UH. JUST YEAH. OKAY, THERE WE GO. SO. YEAH. NO, I GET SURE. SO THE THIS CORNER?
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UM I DON'T KNOW MOST OF YOUR IT'S BECOME A FAIRLY PROMINENT CORNER IN TOWN. IT'S OVER THE YEARS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROPERTY FOR OVER 20 YEARS. FOR A LONG TIME. PREVIOUS OWNERS AND, UH AND CURRENTLY THE NEW OWNERS AND, UH, IT'S A IT'S SHOWN AS, UH, 14 SOME ODD ACRES TECHNICALLY, BUT REALISTICALLY BECAUSE OF THE WIDENING OF PARK , IT REALLY COMES OUT TO ABOUT ROUGHLY 13 ACRES. NET, MAYBE TWICE ITS HEIGHT, TWELVES. AND BUT IT'S A IT'S JUST NICE, SQUARE EFFICIENT PIECE. UM, TWO SIDES, UH, YOU KNOW, PARK AND COUNTRY CLUB AND TWO SIDES AND OBVIOUSLY THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE BACK SIDES , ALONG WITH THE DAYCARE OPERATION. THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. AND ACTUALLY THIS. THIS PROJECT IS, UH, I'M I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT. WHEN I FIRST SAW IT, IT'S PROBABLY THE ONE OF THE NEATER PROJECTS. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S COME ALONG AS FAR AS CHARACTER AND UH, USES AND IT HAS ITS MIXED USE COMBINATION OF, UM AS AS KEVIN MENTIONED. COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND THE WHEN WE CATCH WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A CASH. I THINK WE HAD A SENIOR LIVING GROUP. I THINK THAT PRESENTED AT ONE TIME, ALONG WITH SOME RETAIL IN THE CORNER AND SOME OTHER THINGS AND JUST DIDN'T QUITE GET OVER THE HUMP, AND SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT VARIOUS THINGS AND WHEN, WHEN OWNERSHIP CAME UP WITH THIS PARTICULAR AH, YOU CAN SEE THE SITE THERE AS I MENTIONED, UH, SURROUND TWO SIDES BY ROADS AND BY COMMERCIAL, BUT IN ANY CASE, WHEN THIS WHEN THIS PROJECT CAME FORWARD, IT'S JUST TO ME. IT'S EXCITING. YOU CAN SEE THE VARIOUS, UH THE BLUE IS THE RESIDENTIAL. THE PURPLE IS THE COMMERCIAL. AND UM, YOU'VE GOT IT'S REALLY IT'S QUITE INTERESTING TO ME IN THE SENSE THAT AS SO MUCH OF THE THEY'VE GOT A NICE USE OF OPEN SPACE, USE THE DETENTION. IT'S NOT THAT THE PROPERTY IS NOT REALLY CHALLENGED BY ANY MAJOR DRAINAGE OR DETENTION ISSUES. UH IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO BE CREATIVE WITH THE USE. AND WHAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH. YES REALLY, QUITE INTERESTING. YOU CAN SEE I EVEN ON THE CORNER PIECE IF YOU LOOK AT THE HARD CORNER RETAIL WITH THIS IS ALL CONCEPTUAL. AND OF COURSE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE IS TO JUST DISCUSS AND GET YOUR THOUGHTS AND TRY TO SEE IF THIS IS REALLY HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. UH WHICH YOU KNOW AGAIN, MY THOUGHTS ARE JUST MY OWN OPINIONS, BUT I LIKE IT A LOT, BUT IT'S TURNED INWARD AT THE CORNER. YOU JUST DON'T HAVE A STANDARD ISSUE CONVENIENCE STORE HANGING OUT ON THE CORNER WITH GAS PUMPS AND THINGS. IT'S IT FACES IN AND YOU'VE GOT THE ARCHITECTURE ITSELF AND THE USE OF THE PROPERTY. THEY'VE GOT THE 22 LONGER. BUILDINGS IN THE CENTER, WHICH ARE WHICH ARE LIKE A GUESS. I DON'T KNOW I AGAIN SOMEBODY WHO'S MUCH BETTER VERSE THAT THIS COULD DESCRIBE THIS, BUT YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE ALMOST THERE LIKE LARGE HALLS FOR TENANTS AND FOR RETAIL AND FOR YOU CAN SEE RESTAURANTS, ETCETERA THAT'S IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY. THEY'VE GOT A FEATURE THE TALL STACK, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF NEAT. IT WAS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT WAS DESIGNED BY AN ARCHITECT FROM OVERSEAS. I THINK EASTERN EUROPE AND IT HAS A LOT OF A LOT OF FEATURES THAT ARE NOT REALLY COMMON TO WHAT WE SEE HERE, SO IT'S GOT SOME CHARACTER TO IT AS I MENTIONED AH, THERE'S ABOUT 77 TOWN. HOME UNITS, THERE IS ABOUT 55,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIALS SLASH RETAIL. AND, UM. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A CENTERPIECE. IT HAS A, UM I KNOW GOSHA. OH WHAT DO YOU, UM WHAT'S THE COMMON AREA HAS A THIS CENTRAL THERE WHERE IT'S TURNED IN ONE OF MY TRYING TO THINK. WHAT'S THE AMPHITHEATER? EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I WAS GONNA SAY YEAH. SO IT HAS THE AMPHITHEATER HAS THE LIGHTING AND ALL THE GREENERY. AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE CENTRAL AREA. THERE'S A GOOD FEEL FOR THE AMPHITHEATER. BUT YOU HAVE RETAIL SURROUNDING ALL THAT WHICH IS WONDERFUL. AND THEN THESE ARE THE TOWN HOMES. AND IF YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE TO BUY A TOWN HOME, YOU GET A SIXTIES JAGUAR CONVERTIBLE THAT GOES WITH IT. SO YEAH. THERE YOU GO. EXACTLY WE NEED WE NEED MORE OF THOSE RIGHT? YEAH, IT IS A BEAUTIFUL CAR. YEAH. UM SO TO GIVE YOU A FEEL FOR THAT OBVIOUSLY THE AMENITIES AMENITIES CENTER BEAUTIFUL POOL. GATHERING AREA AND THAT THAT'S IT IN CONCEPT, BUT ALRIGHT AGAIN , THE MIXED USE CONCEPT AND THE BUFFERING TO THE NEIGHBORS. UH I[00:35:04]
WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD EMBRACE THIS CONCEPT BASED UPON WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS.AND I JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS AND YOU CAN TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WE CAN I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING THAT ACTUAL DESIGNERS HERE. I GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. JUST A QUICK ONES. UM TOWN HOMES OR WHAT SIZE ENVISIONED THEY ARE. HOW MANY? WHATEVER YOUR FOOT, YOU KNOW. 1500 SQUARE FEET AND THEY'RE FOR SALE. THEY'RE NOT FOR RENT OR SALE. YES, ALL OF THEM. OKAY? UH I HAVE A QUESTION . WHY DIDN'T I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE GOING FOR HERE? YOU'RE GOING FOR THIS CENTRALLY. EVERYTHING'S KIND OF PUSHING TOWARDS THE MIDDLE FOR LIKE A DESTINATION KIND OF THING, WHICH IS VERY COOL. I APPLAUD THAT. WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE WASTING THE TRAFFIC EXPOSURE ON THE TWO MAIN DRAGS. BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS OF FACING YOU KNOW, IN AND SO WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE BACKSIDE AND BACK SIDE OF THE STORES WOULD LOOK LIKE WHAT TO THE ROAD. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOUR MONEY YOUR MONEY IS DRIVING BY THE THOUSANDS. THOUSANDS OF CARS GO DOWN THAT ROAD EVERY DAY CONTRACT CORRECT AND I'M WONDERING IF IT'S GOING TO BE INVITING. IF YOU'RE NOT LIVING THERE, WE'RE NOT SURE YOU DON'T WANT THE ARCHITECT JUST TO BE LOOKED LIKE THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. WE DON'T WANT JUST PLAYING BACKS AND STEEL DOORS AND SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH THE LIKE, ALMOST SEE THROUGH THIS. YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOU LEFT COME UP. WHEN YOU DO, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD CAN GET YOU BETTER. YOU'RE THE BOSS. BROTHER I GOT YOU, SAMMY GIBRAN RICHARDSON, TEXAS 21. BALMORAL RICHARDSON, TEXAS. SO AS FAR AS THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE MERIT THE FRONT AND THE BACK OF THE SAME. WE USUALLY USE IT AS OPEN THE GLASS AND, YOU KNOW, STOREFRONT FRONT AND BACK ON BOTH SIDES OF YOUR DRIVING. IF I'M DRIVING DOWN COUNTRY CLUB, I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT'S IN THOSE STORES THAT'S LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GENERATE YOUR MOST INCOME IS NOT NOT THE 1700 PEOPLE LIVING THERE, BUT THE PEOPLE DRIVING THAT IS CORRECT. 1000 PEOPLE THAT DRIVE BY EVERY DAY. I'M JUST CURIOUS. ABSOLUTELY NO, NO, DEFINITELY. YOU MAKE A LOT OF SENSE WITH THAT MADE THAT WE NEED ALL THE TRAFFIC. THAT RIGHT COUNTRY CLUB, SO WE NEED TO SHOW WHAT WE HAVE. SO IT WILL LOOK EXACTLY JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, FRONTAGE, BUT THERE WON'T BE ANY PARKING. IT'LL JUST BE LIKE DOING IT ALL IN THE BACK THE BACK SO YOU COULD WALK, YOU COULD WALK DOWN THE SIDEWALK AND CORRECT PET INTO THE COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THAT THAT POSES A QUESTION FOR ME IN GENERAL, ARE YOU AGE OF THE TOWN HOMES HAVE GARAGES AND ENOUGH PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE OR THEY ONE BEDROOM , TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM DOUBLE. EVERYONE HAS DOUBLE GARAGE AND THEY ARE TWO BEDROOMS FOR THE MOST PART. OKAY, SO THE PARKING THAT WE SAW IN FRONT WAS MORE VISITOR, MORE VISITORS AND FOR THE RETAIL AS WELL. OKAY WELL, THE TOWN HOMES HAVE RESERVED VISITOR PARKING THAT THEY KIND OF FROWNED UPON THE RETAILS TO USER. IT'S SHARED PARKING. I THINK THAT'S THE I MEAN, WE HAVE TO SEE IF WE HAVE TO EVEN GET THE WHOLE THING OR NOT, WHICH IS WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO THE AMENITIES FOR THE TOWNHOUSE. WE SHOULD HAVE. PLACE A GET IN THERE, AND WE COULD HAVE SOME PARKING AND THEREFORE THEM RESERVED AS WELL. SO AND THEN WHAT ABOUT MARQUIS? UM KIND OF MONUMENT SIGNS? IS THAT CONCEPTION TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT BUSINESSES ARE IN THERE? IS THAT A CONSIDERATION? WHERE WOULD YOU PLACE THAT? HOW WOULD IT LOOK? BECAUSE THAT WE'RE STILL OPEN FOR US, AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GO WITH THE CITY UNDER THE SIGN ORDINANCE WAS MORE ABOUT AESTHETICS FOR HIS DISCUSSION, ALS FEEDBACK TO KEEPING IT LOW. SMALL MODERN, NOT ANYTHING HIGH.
BIG WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE. SURE WE CAN. WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT WE CAN CORRECT THAT. QUICK QUESTION . WHAT IS YOUR TOWN HOME? LOT SIZE SINCE THESE ARE ALL FOR SALE? WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING FOR YOUR TOWN HOME LOT SIZE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ORDINANCES THAT HAVE MINIMUMS. THE THEY'RE ALL BACK LOAD ENOUGH FRONT LOAD, SO I WOULD SAY THERE'S A STREET EARLIER IN THE BACK WITH AT LEAST FIVE FT OF SIDEWALKS. AND THEN WE HAVE ABOUT 10 FT OF GARDEN OR 15 PIECE OF GARDEN. SO WE HAVE 20 BY 45 TO BUILD SO 900. PLUS PLUS. DOES THAT MEAN OUR MINIMUM COUNSEL FROM 20 BY 45 OR 20 BY 50. WE CAN GO TO SWIMMING BY 50. THAT'S 1000, PER, UH, FOR WHAT IT DID THE STANDARD IN THE TOWN HOMES WITHOUT WITHOUT ANY KIND OF VARIANCE IS 3000 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S 30. FT. WIDE 100 FT. DEEP. THAT'S THAT'S OUR THAT'S OUR MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES. DID YOU SEE WHAT? BY WHAT 25 BY, UH IF YOU'RE GOING TO CALCULATE ALL THE BY THE GARAGES BY THE DRIVEWAYS THE WHOLE THE WHOLE LOT LOT THAT YOU WOULD BE SELLING. IT WOULD BE 20 BY 1990 OR 2500. WOULD BE. YEAH IT'S STILL 1000 FT. SHORT OF OUR
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MINIMUM. I KNOW WHEN HE SAID 1600 SQUARE FEET. I THOUGHT IT WAS SMALL, BUT 16 TO 2000. IF WE GO 25 BY 50, WE COULD DO 2000 SQUARE FEET. AND WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS FAR AS KIDS BRING INTO THE SCHOOL AND ALL THAT, SO WE CANNOT TRY TO FIND A BALANCE BETWEEN EVERYTHING. SO, UM WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE CONSIDERATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL IS GONNA DO TO YOU WHEN YOU WHEN YOU WHEN YOU PROPOSE THEY'LL THEY MAY JUST IT'S GOT TO BE THE RIGHT SIZE FOR THEM. LOT SIZE, MINIMUM OR. LIVING SPACE MINIMUM. WE HAVE. YEAH WE HAVE BOTH. BUT THE 1600 PASSES ARE MINIMUM ON A TOWN HOME. THE MINIMUM BUILDING IS 1200. AND ALMOST EVERYBODY MAKES THAT ON ON A TOWN HOME, RIGHT? UM YEAH, IT'S THE LOT SIZE DEAL BREAKER, THEN. I'M DISASTER. WELL THEY'RE GONNA I MEAN, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO A PD ANYWAY. WELL YEAH. AND THEN THE QUESTION IS WITH DESIGN. I THINK WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO IS OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE IT AS A LOT OF CHARACTER AND A LOT OF WALK ABILITY, ETCETERA, JUST AND I THINK JUST THE EFFICIENCIES AGAIN. I'M NOT THE DESIGNER AND UNFORTUNATELY, NOT HERE. I WISH THEY WERE. THEY COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THIS IN MORE DETAIL. HOW WELL ARE HOW EFFICIENT HAVE SOME OF THESE THINGS WORK, BUT I THINK WHAT DO YOU THINK THE ARGUMENT OR OR THE CASES FOR AGAIN THE CHARACTER SORT OF THE URBAN FIELD TO THE RESIDENTIAL ALONG WITH? I MEAN, JUST THE WHOLE MIX OF IT. DO YOU THINK THEY CAN GET A SMALLER LOT SIZE? UH YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE 3000 VERSUS THE TO DO YOU THINK YOU THINK THE COMBINATION OF EVERYTHING IS THERE? IS THERE A CELL FOR SOME SMALLER LOTS LIKE THAT? AND I THINK I THINK THAT NOW AGAIN, JASON, CORRECT ME. IF I'M WRONG. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BETTER TIME CONVINCING. CITY COUNCIL WITH EITHER LARGER LOTS OR A MIX OF LARGER AND SMALLER LOTS. BECAUSE THEIR MINIMUMS. I'M SORRY, 35 3000 BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE MINIMUM IS 3000. SO THAT'S ONE THIRD IF I'M ONE THIRD LARGER, SO MAYBE YOU LOSE A FEW UNITS AND MAKE A PORTION OF THEM LARGER SO THAT YOU GO TO CITY COUNCIL, SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. SO WE HAVE SOME OF THESE THAT YOU LIKE. AND SOME OF THESE THAT WE LIKE TO SEE. I UNDERSTAND IT COMES BACK TO COST EFFECTIVENESS . YOU KNOW, VIABILITY. YOU THINK THEY'LL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE MANNER OPEN. THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN SPACE ON THIS FOR THE FOR THE FOR THE GIVE UP A LOT OF OPENS BUSINESS, A LOT OF OPEN SPACES. THEY'LL TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT WHEN THEY LET THEM SHRINK THE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHATEVER THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN AS MUCH OPEN SPACE, SO THEY GOTTA THEY GOTTA PAY. THERE'S A WAY TO LOOK AT THAT. IT'S INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT LOT SIZES. YOU LOOK AT LOT DENSE DENSITY. YEAH YOU GOTTA HAVE SOME PEOPLE LIVING THERE AND UM, I GUESS YOU HAVE TO BE EASY TO JUST MAKING UNITS BIGGER. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU GIVE UP OPEN SPACE. THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR STUFF. WE GET CAN'T PAY FOR THE OPEN SPACE. WELL I WILL TELL YOU THIS ON MAY 30TH. THEY'RE SCHEDULED TO GO TO COUNCIL AS IT WORKS SESSION SO THEY'LL THEY'LL FIND OUT THEN WHAT COUNCIL THINKS OF THAT TRADE OFF. BUT THE IMPORTANT THING IS YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO, UM MAKE SURE THAT THEIR TRANSITION TO COUNCILS AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE. IT'S ALSO WHAT YOU ALL ARE HAPPY WITH. SO I WOULD JUST GIVE THEM YOUR HONEST OPINION, AND THEN THEY CAN FIND ALL THE COUNCIL'S HONEST OPINION. IRELAND WILL MOVE ON FROM THERE, AND STAFF WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WITH OUR FURTHER RECOMMENDATIONS TO THIS WOULD IN MY OPINION, THIS WOULD BE SETTING A NEW PRECEDENT. BUT BASED ON STANDARDS, SO I THINK CITY COUNCIL GOING TO BE PRETTY INTERESTED IN YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO SET A PRECEDENT THAT OTHER BUILDERS THEN COVER GOING TO COME BACK BEHIND AND SAY YOU DID THIS HERE. WE WANT TO DO THIS THE SAME WAY SO AND YOU KNOW, AS AS COMMISSIONER BYRNE MENTIONED THE PRESIDENT THAT THEY WOULD MAKE AND I'M JUST, YOU KNOW. TRYING TO CLARIFY THIS NOT TAKING A SIDE OR, YOU KNOW, MAKING AN OPINION AN OPINION ON ANYTHING. IS THE PRESIDENT WOULD BE OKAY. MAYBE WE'LL CONSIDER SMALLER LOTS IF YOU PUT ENOUGH OPEN SPACE IN THERE TO MAKE IT WORTH OUR WHILE. SO THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE THE CASE OF THIS PARTICULAR YEAH, THE TRADE OFF BECOME CREATIVE. YEAH THANKS. OPEN SPACE. SOMETIMES THAT'S NOT VIABLE. NO. SPACE. MIGHT BE WORKING WITH ONE THING, ONE THING THAT WILL BLOW IT OUT OF THE WATER. TOTALLY IS IT THE RIGHT UP THAT GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL SAYS THAT THE BUILDINGS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ARE GOING TO BE STAND ALONE. RESIDENTIAL HOMES. SINGLE FAMILY. WELL. COME BACK HERE,[00:45:07]
YOU STUPID THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT I HAD IT UP HERE, OKAY? IT STATES THAT AND I'M QUOTING THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH CONTAINS A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT . THAT'S THE EXISTING EVERYTHING OUT OF THE WATER. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT IT'S REFERRING TO. WELL, THAT'S I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU MAKE THAT PERFECTLY CLEAR TO THEM. OKAY, OKAY. THE CITY COUNCIL. HANG ON. THERE. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU TOOK INTO ACCOUNT. DELIVERIES WERE STORES.RETAIL AREAS THAT BE THERE. I DON'T SEE ANY SPACES LIKE THE DARKS OR DELIVERIES OF PRODUCTS INTERVIEW. NOT STILL, I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO FOR DETAILS, WHICH IS AS A CONCEPT STILL PREMATURELY. UH GO INTO DETAILS, BUT WE WILL. I MEAN, DEFINITELY WE CONSIDER ALL THAT AND GO THROUGH. DIVE IN AND BASICALLY. UNTIL THE TRASH CONTAINERS AND OTHERS THERE'S MORE MORE MORE TO DESIGN NOTHING THERE. HAVE YOU ALL CONSIDER PUTTING IN A BOTH FOR OR SOME KIND OF SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TOWN HOMES AND THE COMMERCIAL AREA. I THINK THE AMENITIES HAS TO BE BUFFERED OUT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO START USING THE SWIMMING POOL OR EVEN FOR HAZARDS ISSUES. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANYBODY JUST JUMP IN THE POOL THERE OR THEY HAVE A WORKOUT. UH, SOMEPLACE, ACTUALLY , LIKE A PICNIC AREA, AND, UH, WORKING OUT PLACE THAT YOU DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO USE. I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO FENCE THAT OUT. I WAS THINKING, LIKE, UH, I GUESS TO THE B THE PARKING LOT. RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE TOWN HOMES. NORTH OF THE TOWN, HOMES DOWN BODY OPEN SPACE. YES. YEAH, WE HAVE A POOL. WE HAVE A POOL FOR THE YES. AND THEN THERE'S THE PARKING SPACE, RIGHT? THERE WAS A BUFFER BETWEEN THOSE TOWN HOMES THERE. AND THAT PARKING.
WE HAVE SOME LANDSCAPE, BUT WE CAN WE HAVE TO DO I THINK FENCING IN THERE. THAT'S THE AREA THAT I RECOMMEND THAT IT HAS TO BE FENCED BECAUSE OF LIABILITY. AND YOU HAVE A PARK DOT I MEAN DOG PARK IN THE BACK THERE, TOO, AND OPEN AREA PICNIC AREA THAT BELONGS TO THE TOWN HOME COMMUNITY. THAT WE HAVE TO FENCE. ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE AREA THAT'S OFF? NOT TO CENTER.
OPEN HIS FACEBOOK, THE POOL UP BY THE TOWN HALL. YES, THERE THAT AREA. AND THEN THE PARKING LARGEST TO THE EAST OF IT RIGHT THERE. THERE. IF YOU PUT A BUFFER BETWEEN THOSE TOWN HOMES . DO SOME OF IT. BUT ALL WE HAVE THERE NOW, LIKE SIDEWALKS. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BACK AT THE TOWN HALL THERE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING, BECAUSE YOU WALK UP RIGHT OUT YOUR FRONT DOOR. AND YOU'RE IN A PARKING LOT IF YOU HAD SOME KIND OF A GREEN STRIP OUT THERE WE DO. I THINK WE HAVE A GREEN. WE HAVE SOME LANDSCAPE AND WE HAVE SIDEWALK THERE AS WELL. OKAY? POSSIBLY ZOOM IN LET ME GO BACK. TO THE SAME WHAT'S YOUR NAME? YEAH SO THERE WAS ACTUALLY LANDSCAPE SO THAT THAT'S THE PART THAT'S FACING NORTH, RIGHT LITTLE BIT OF GREEN OUT IN FRONT OF A SIDEWALK. I THINK IT WAS THAT WHAT YOU WERE DISCUSSING KEITH? WAS THAT THERE IS SOME GREEN OUTSIDE OF IT'S NOT A BIG BUFFER, BUT IT IS SOME GREEN SEPARATED. MY THING IS OFF IF I WAS BUYING A TOWNHOUSE. AND I LOOK AT MY BACKYARD. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE PARKING LOT.
CARS PARKING RIGHT UP NEXT TO MINE. PART OF THE THEME OF THIS IF THERE WAS A FIVE FT, URBAN FEEL TO IT. IT'S UH RIGHT AGAIN. TOP TELEVISION. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN URBAN EFFECT. YEAH THERE'S MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE WHAT THE DESIGNER WAS. THAT'S THE THEME
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SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE COMPACT, LITTLE LITTLE TIGHTER IN SPACES. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, UM, AGAIN TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO USE IT AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. SO I DON'T KNOW AGAIN. I'M I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON THIS. I'M JUST DOING WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM BEING EDUCATED TO THE POINT. AT THE BACK, YOU SAID HAD THE GARAGES, GARAGES BACK LOAD, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SLIDE FOR THAT. I KNOW. YEAH I'M JUST SAYING, THAT'S THE FRONT.THAT'S THE FRONT CORRECT. BLONDE. WITHOUT. WE AREN'T. WE'RE IN TALKS WITH THE HOME ASSOCIATION AS WELL WITH NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR JUST TO BE YOU KNOW, AHEAD OF THE GAME THERE, SEE THEY LIKE IT PRESENTED THAT TO THEM AND WE'RE WAITING ON AN ANSWER. THEY'RE GOING TO MEET THE BOARD THAT'S GOING TO MEET AND THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT SO I THINK YOU ALL ARE GOING TO NEED THE IMPACT OR DISCUSS THE IMPACT TO YOUR NEIGHBORS. FOR NOISE TRAFFIC. THE DENSITY OF TRAFFIC WITHIN THAT, AND I THINK YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO DESCRIBE UNLESS THE ENTIRE THING IS AN H O A HOW YOU MANAGE THE BUSINESSES VERSUS HOW YOU MANAGE THE LIVING AREAS. OKAY I'LL BE AND SEPARATE THE TWO FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE RESIDENCES, BOTH THERE AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. IT WILL BE A PD AND THEY WILL BE ASSOCIATIONS THAT WAS. I'M SORRY. YEAH JUST SOMEBODY'S GONNA MAINTAIN ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING AND CORRECT IT'S PART OF THAT FIELD, RIGHT? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE HOMEOWNERS ARE GONNA WANT TO DO IT. CHASING DO WE HAVE ANY PLACE ELSE IN TOWN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING A APPEAL WAY NEXT TO AN H O A OF PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION NEXT DOOR TO A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT ARE SHARING PROPERTIES. CAN IT BE DONE IN TWO OR DOES IT NEED TO BE ONE? IT CAN BE DONE. BECAUSE WHAT THEY'LL DO IS WITH THEIR H O A IN THERE. OH, A OR C O A. DEPENDING WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL IT. UM, THEY'LL JUST DO A LEGAL DESCRIPTION. UM THAT'LL THAT'LL SPELL OUT THE BOUNDARIES OF THOSE TWO PARTICULAR ENTITIES. WE HAVE THAT EXACT SITUATION IN THE LAST MEETING IN THE WORK SESSION THEY WERE GONNA HAVE AN H O AND A P O A BOTH YEAH. YEAH THERE'D BE AN H O A FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AND THEN AH, POOK FOR THE COMMERCIAL THAT WAS FRONTING 13 78. ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU. I SEE GREEN SPACE. SO NOW I SEE LIKE, OKAY ON THE OVERHEAD YOU HAVE AN ALLEY ON THE BACK, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING ACCESS TO THE BACK AND THEN I SEE A SMALL GREEN STRIP. BETWEEN THE PRESIDENTIAL AND THE ALLEY AND THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS. UM OKAY . YES, I'M TALKING ABOUT OVER HERE ON THE FAR LEFT. YOU SEE THAT ALLEY THERE AND THEN YOU SEE THAT LITTLE GREEN STRIP. I'M CURIOUS AS TO HOW WIDE THE GREENS THAT STRIP IS AND WHAT KIND OF FOLIAGE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT BACK THERE BECAUSE THE FOLIAGE TRAINING WILL HELP SCREEN AS WELL AS MUFFLE. AND THAT WAS THE REASON ACTUALLY, WE LEFT THAT JUST TO GO FAR AWAY FROM US AS POSSIBLE. AND AGAIN, IT'S TWO STORIES. IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK ANYBODY'S BACKYARD. WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. WE CAN DO ANY TWEETS THAT IT HELPS TO. BASICALLY I WOULD JUST SAY BE PREPARED BECAUSE THE LAST TIME WE HAD THOSE NEIGHBORS IN HERE FOR ANOTHER ONE, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT DENSITY. AND WELL DENSITY NOISE AND HOW CLOSE THEY WERE. THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. QUESTION. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS LIKE. AGAIN GOING. DOING WHAT WE'VE WHAT? SOME OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH IN THE PAST, AS IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS BEING, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES FOR THE ENTIRE COLLEGE 13 ACRES IF YOU DID HAVE ALL COMMERCIAL AND YOU DID HAVE DELIVERY TRUCKS. COMING UP FROM THE BACK OF THE BUSINESSES FOR HIM IN THE MORNING GARBAGE DELIVERIES. WHATEVER ALL THAT IS, YOU KNOW THAT COULD BE THERE. BY RIGHT TODAY, SO TO SPEAK, AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SO WE'VE GOT TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS. MAYBE THEY DO A TOWN HALL WITH THE NEIGHBORS GET TAKE DO DO THIS WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND HELP THEM UNDERSTAND ABOUT HOW I WOULD THINK THIS WOULD BE REALLY PREFERABLE TO ALL COMMERCIAL WITH A LOT MORE NOISE, A LOT MORE LIGHTING. AND LIKE, JUST ALL THE THINGS THAT GO WITH THAT I KNOW THEY WANT SERVICES AND NEIGHBORS THEY AND THAT'S GREAT. THIS IS GONNA BE AGAIN. 55,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS PRETTY NICE, BUT SO I'M JUST THINKING. WHAT ARE THE TRADE OFFS? YOU COULD HAVE THIS RIGHT BEHIND YOUR HOUSE. OR YOU COULD HAVE THAT. SO JUST SOMETHING LIKE THAT ARGUMENT. I DON'T KNOW . EXCEPTIONALLY STORY. CONCEPTUALLY SPEAKING. I LIKE
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THE URBAN SPACE. I'M NOT YOUR TARGET AUDIENCE FOR THE TOWN HOMES. THAT'S JUST I'M NOT A TOWN HOME KIND OF PERSON. BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT SMALL CONSOLIDATED. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS THAT HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT. CONCEPTION A LI I LIKE THE URBAN SPACE. I PERSONALLY LIVE OFF OF WHAT WE CALL THE S CURVE. AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME GOOD RESTAURANTS WHERE I DON'T HAVE TO GO TO MURPHY THAT ARE SO CLOSE. UM YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE BUFFERING TO THE NEIGHBORS, THE DAYCARE, YOU KNOW? COURTESY FENCE OR SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW. KIND OF CORRAL THE YOUNG ONES. YOU KNOW THINGS LIKE THAT HAVE TO BE FLUSHED OUT. BUT CONCEPTION ALY ARE LIKE THE URBAN THING BROUGHT INTO THE WILY. UM AND AS FOR THE FOR THE TOWN HOMES, I THINK THEY NEED TO HAVE AN UPDATED MODERN FEEL AND LOOK TO THEM. I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO WORK OUT ALL THOSE DETAILS. AND I MEAN, I'M JUST A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OWNER THAT'S IN THE SUBURBS. MINDSET. I'M NOT YOUR TARGET AUDIENCE ON THAT, BUT SUFFERING FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND THINKING THOSE THROUGHOUT THE DETAILS. I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW THIS DEVELOPED SURE. AND THE KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON WHAT COMMISSIONER GREISER SAID. I THINK THAT'S THERE. THEIR INTENT WITH THIS WORK SESSION IS JUST TO FIND OUT WHETHER IF THEY WORK OUT SOME OF THOSE DETAILS, OR IS IT WORTH THEIR TIME TO GO WORK OUT SOME OF THOSE DETAILS? UM YOU KNOW? WELL PNC, YOU KNOW, LOOK FAVORABLY AS A WHOLE. ON THE CONCEPT THAT THEY HAVE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGHT. FIGURE OUT RIGHT NOW. I THINK I'M CONCEPTUALLY IN FAVOR.YEAH I MEAN, I LOVE THE CONCEPT AND I'M FROM THE MINUTE YOU CAN HEAR IT. I'M FROM THE CITY. I MOVED TO TEXAS FOR PROPERTY, BUT THIS IS COOL. IT'S NOT MY TALK. I WOULDN'T LIVE IN A TOWN HOME AGAIN. BUT I LIKE THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF PUSHING IN AND THE MEETING SPACE IN THE MIDDLE.
YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE THAT FRONT ACREAGE WHERE THAT GREEN SPACES IN THE FRONT BECAUSE OF THE ROADS GOING TO EXPAND TO FOUR LANES, AND I WOULDN'T BE READY FOR THE WHOLE. THEY'RE GONNA HIT YOU WITH THE SPACE ON THE YOU KNOW HOW MUCH PROPERTIES UNDER THE TOWN HOMES? SO THEY'RE GONNA THEY'RE GONNA HIT YOU WITH THAT. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO LIKE THE 1600 SQUARE FOOT, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA LIKE LESS THAN 3000. SO BE PREPARED FOR SOME KIND OF REBUTTAL WITH THAT TO ME TO ME TO ME PERSONALLY, JUST THIS PERSON. I LIKE THE TRADE OFF FOR THE OPEN SPACE. BUT AS MY COMMISSIONERS TELL YOU, THAT MIGHT BE A PRECEDENT, SO WE'LL HAVE TO MAYBE FIGURE OUT IF IT'S A PRECEDENT WE CAN LIVE WITH. WHERE THERE'S A PERCENTAGE OPEN SPACE VERSE SHRINKING OF THE LOT. THAT WHOLE THING. DENSITY DENSITY. I NOTICED NO DRIVE THROUGHS, WHICH THEY'RE GOING TO LIKE. THEY DON'T WANT ANY DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS, SO WE WANT ACTUAL SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS.
THEY'RE BIG ON THAT. ACTUALLY WE WERE PROBABLY GONNA NEED SOME DRIVE. WE HAVE AGAIN WITHIN WORK. ALL THE DETAILS AND ESPECIALLY ON THE GAS STATION. YOU NEED IT RIGHT? BUT I DON'T THINK YOU NEED A MCDONALD'S OR ANYTHING ON THIS KIND OF PROPERTY. YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE.
YOU DON'T WANT TO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC THROUGH HERE. IT'S NOT NECESSARY LOOKING FOR LOCALS, PROBABLY RESTAURANTS, TOO. I MEAN, I'M JUST I'M TELLING YOU WHAT TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL SEASON BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA LOOK FOR CERTAIN THINGS. AND THAT'S THE SPACE THAT HAVE AN ANSWER ABOUT PARKING. THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO KNOW WHERE ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK. BECAUSE WE HAD ONE LAST MEETING. IT WAS FOUR PARKING SPACES. IT WAS TWO IN THE GARAGE TO TWO CAR GARAGES AND THEN A PAD WHERE THEY COULD PUT TWO MORE CARS BECAUSE APPARENTLY EVERYBODY IN TEXAS HOMES 50 CARS, SO YOU GOT TO HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEM IN THE POINT, RIGHT? YEAH I'LL BE READY FOR THAT. IT MAY BE TOO NARROW FOR THE PARKING. YOU MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN TO SORRY. WHAT'S TOO NARROW FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE IN THE TOWN HOMES REALLY NEED MORE THAN TWO PARKING SPACES. BELIEVE IT OR NOT. THEY PROBABLY NEED THREE OR FOUR. SO THEY MAY SAY SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE BECAUSE THE BLAST WORK SESSION WE HAD NOT WASN'T ANYTHING LIKE THIS. BUT THERE WAS A ROW OF TOWN HOMES WHERE THEY HAD TWO CAR GARAGES IN THE BACK, BUT THEN THEY HAD ENOUGH BEHIND FRONT OF THE GARAGES DRIVEWAY TO PUT TWO MORE CARS FROM THOMAS TAKEN IN THE PARK WEEKEND STACK TWO MORE CARS, ACTUALLY, TWO AND TWO OUT. NOT ON THE ONE WITH THAT ALLOW YOU TO WIN AND TO OUT. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GET IN BETWEEN THAT ALLEY THERE AND THAT FIRST ROW SO TO VERIFY THAT, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WAS A QUESTION ASKED BEFORE LITTLE NARROW, JUST FROM THE ICE JUST FROM LOOKING AT IT, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT TO BE PREPARED FOR WHEN YOU GO SPEAK TO THEM. THEY'RE GONNA ASK. THEY'RE GONNA LOOK FOR CERTAIN ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE THE BIG ONES. CONCEPTION A LI I LIKE IT. MY ONLY OPINION IS I THINK YOU NEED TO OFFER SOMETHING THAT'S GOT MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE TOWN HALL. MY WIFE AND I WERE SINGLE FAMILY OWNERS, AND WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT MOVING INTO TOWN HOMES, BUT I WOULDN'T MOVE INTO ANYTHING. 1600 FT 16 TO 2000, AND THEN WE CAN GO 2000 SQUARE FEET. YEAH SO I THINK THAT I WOULD EMPHASIZE THAT BECAUSE IF YOU ONLY TELL THEM THE MINIMUMS OF WHAT YOU CAN DO YOU WANT TO TELL THEM THAT YOU CAN BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN THIS AND THAT. AND IF YOU CAN
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OFFER ANYTHING LARGER, YOU MIGHT CONSIDER THE LOT SIZE ON SOME OF THEM. JUST SEE WHERE YOU GET WITH THAT. MAYBE AROUND THE PARAMETER. YEAH IF YOU DID THE HAVE WE HAVE ROOM WITHIN ONE.YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THE OPEN SPACES LIKE THAT, OFTEN AS BEST. WE CAN INCREASE THE SIZE. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO PRESENTED THE WAY IT IS, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE HERE TO JUST GET SOME COMMENTS AND WE GO FIX THEM. WE'LL GO TO WORK. OKAY DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, GENTLEMEN, LADY? I GUESS NOT. YEAH I MEAN, WE TRY NOT THINK IT LOOKS AS AS GOOD AS IT GETS. I THINK IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN LOOKING AT THE BLOCK OF CONCRETE IN THE BACK. THAT'S FOR SURE.
THE BACK THE BACK OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. DIDN'T DISGUISE. THIS IS A GOOD WELL, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. WE'LL SEE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WE APPRECIATE YOU, UH UM THE OPEN AND CLEAR CONVERSATION WITHOUT FEAR OF OFFENSE. NO, NO, THANK YOU, YOU KNOW, JUST PREPPING. OKAY. THANK YOU NOW. OKAY? OKAY? I TURNED MINE ON OR OFF. KEEP IT ON. I'M
[2. Hold a Public Hearing, consider and act upon a recommendation to City Council regarding the writing of an Ordinance to amend the City of Wylie Zoning Ordinance, Articles 5.1 Land Use Charts, 5.2 Listed Uses, 7.0 General Development Regulations, as they relate to Smoke Shops, Smoking Establishments and Alcohol uses. (Part 2 of 2)]
GOING TO EXPLAIN THIS. SO WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A PROCEDURAL ERROR BECAUSE THE ZONING ORDINANCE NEEDED TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING. EVEN THOUGH EVERYBODY'S LEFT. WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY CAN GO AND COME BACK LATER ON AND SAY, WELL, YOU NEVER HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS AND IF THEY WANT TO CHALLENGE OUR CHANGES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE SO HE'S THE LEADER OF THIS, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO EXPLAIN THE EASIEST WAY TO DO THIS COMMISSIONER GREISER BECAUSE YOU VOTED. YOU MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE IT. AND COMMISSIONER BUTLER. YOU MADE THE MOTION TO SECOND. WHAT I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO DO IS MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE ITEM.YOUR SECOND THAT MOTION IF YOU SO DESIRE, I HOPE YOU DO. THEN EVERYBODY CAN VOTE ON IT TO RECONSIDER THE ITEM. BUT THEN WE WILL RECONSIDER. THE ITEM IN ALL YOU'RE GOING TO DO IS OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN IF ANYBODY COMES FORWARD, GREAT. IF NOT, THEN WE'LL CLOSE IT. AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON THE ITEM AGAIN. OKAY THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. YEAH. WE GOTTA MAKE SURE WE WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, GET EVERYTHING CORRECT NUMBER WAS PAGE PDF PAGE NUMBERS 15 ITEM NUMBER TWO SCREWED UP EARLY IN THE GAME, DIDN'T HE? OKAY? IT'S THE CHAIR'S FAULT. CHERISH FAULT . IT DOESN'T MATTER WHOSE FAULT IT IS. IT'S THE CHAIRS MAY HAVE EMOTIONAL TOO EARLY. I DIDN'T OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT. UM, IT SAYS, SUBJECT. I MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. APPROVING AS PRESENTED ITEM NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA. A SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. HAND HELD MY HAND. AND WE HAVE 70. SO WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. TO CONSIDER NEXT UPON A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE WRITING OF AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE CITY OF WILEY ZONING ORDINANCE ARTICLES, 5.1 LAND USE CHARTS 5.2 LISTED USES 7.0 GENERAL DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AS THEY RELATE TO SMOKE SHOPS, SMOKING ESTABLISHMENTS AND ALCOHOL USES. SO IF WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO STEP FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES SINCE HOW THERE IS NOBODY COMING FORWARD. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM ENTERTAIN THEM MOTION. EMOTION TO APPROVED AS PRESENTED AND AMENDED, RECOMMENDED. DO I DO THAT? RIGHT NOW WE UNDERSTAND THAT AS YOUR MOTIONING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS PRESIDENT, YES, RECOMMEND TO AMEND, MENDED. MY GOSH, WHY AM I HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THIS ONE? OKAY, MOTION. TO APPROVE. RECOMMENDED AS AMENDED. THANK YOU. AND SECOND. I DON'T WANNA I DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING. I THINK I DID. WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. AND WE'RE 70 AGAIN. OKAY SO WE ARE. WE ARE ORGANIZATIONALLY CORRECT OR PROCEDURAL PROCEDURALLY CORRECT NOW. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NEWS IN THE OTHER BUSINESS? THERE WILL BE A MEETING ON WHAT IS THAT? 15TH 16. YES, 16. AH LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A SIDE PLAN ON THE
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16TH. OKAY? WE WILL MISS YOU. AH! SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? RIGHT? I MOVIE ADJOURNED. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOOSE. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BURNED.PLEASE VOTE.
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